Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams provides his law enforcement perspective on the fatal shooting by ICE in Minneapolis of a 37-year-old female protester and Colorado native. Was it a 'good shoot'? Could agents have handled the situation differently, based on the video evidence observed?
Also, finance expert and radio host Dave Ramsey says 'the fastest growing addiction that is destroying young men in their 20s is online sports betting.
Also, finance expert and radio host Dave Ramsey says 'the fastest growing addiction that is destroying young men in their 20s is online sports betting.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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American Way very much at stake in this Minnesota tragedy,
(00:20):
because the American Way depends on rule of law. The
American Way depends on having men and women who are
willing to serve as law enforcement officers. The American Way
depends upon honesty. And I know that sounds naive, but
go back and I'm sure you have, and you look
at what the founders had to say, etc.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
There was a certain level of morality that was going
to be necessary in order for self governance to work.
And we're at such a I know it's a perilous point,
but I think it's a point of such great opportunity
at the moment because you have all of these democrats,
not all democrats, but all of these democrats, these prominent democrats.
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It's prominent elected officials who are flat out willing to
lie and mislead, and here we see it in connection
with this shooting, up in Minnesota, and it not only
creates the immediate danger right of throwing you know, fuel
on the fire and having mass violence in the carnage
that comes with that, but it creates very much a
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danger for our democracy because that the reality is and
all the available facts indicate that it's a tragedy. But
it's a tragedy and part of you know, the deceased
own making. But it's a case where the officer was
reasonable to shoot under those circumstances. Maybe another officer doesn't,
(01:41):
But that's not the test. It's not the legal test,
and it shouldn't be the right and wrong test either,
because the officers obviously have to make those decisions in
split seconds with their life on the line. And for
the reasons we've reviewed, you know, there's literally unless there's
some dramatic evidence out there on body came or something
(02:02):
else that we're not aware of, at this point, you
know that there's no way there's going to be any
kind of criminal prosecution or that there should be of
the officer. By the way, and I know you already
know this, but when you've got a federal officer exercising
his or her duty in the line like that, they
cannot be charged at the state level. They can only
be prosecuted federally. And so I think a lot of
(02:23):
what we see right now from you know, this true lunacy,
you're seeing from Governor Waltce up there, Mayor Fry, et cetera.
By extension, other Democrats around the country, including here in Colorado,
Michael Bennett and I don't know, Ryan, did you see
that video of Bennett deploring the shooting in Minnesota. No,
the guy looks one hundred and eight. I don't know
(02:44):
if he's been hanging out with Hick and Looper or what,
but he he just looked old and his heart didn't
look in the comments, and it shouldn't be because what
he was saying was ludicrous. But but it's what I
think is going on is it's a political impotence right now.
I mean, they know they know that that Trump is winning,
(03:08):
that Trump is succeeding. They know the GOP is likely
to get the White House again. They know the left
is flailing. It is a few bastions like you know,
Colorado and Chicago and things like that, but it is
overall failing. And so they get more and more extreme,
and they get more and more extreme and dangerous in
(03:30):
their rhetoric, and so yeah, it's a perilous time, but
it's also a time of such great opportunity because as
a former Democrat, I just know there are so many
Democrats out there who have no idea their party has
become this whack because they have real lives, they're not
paying attention to politics every day, And there are certain
things like this that will cut through the noise and
people will be able to watch that video for themselves
(03:53):
and say, man, what a tragedy. It's so sad this
woman's dead, But how can you fault the officer? And
then their own political already is explicitly or implicitly saying
the officers a murder. No, it's moments like this that
are going to help more and more people see who
these modern Democrats really are and move them away from
that party. And so much opportunity around the globe right now.
(04:16):
There's not much talk about Iran, but but it looks
like a real opportunity now to overthrow that evil regime
that is essentially held the people of Iron prisoner for
so long and has endangered and undermined the world in
so many ways. Can you imagine what this world's going
to look like at the end of twenty six if
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the Iranian regime falls and now Maduro's gone, and so
things can only get better there. I'm not saying it's
going to be a panacea overnight, but are a decent
chance that the evil Cuban communist dictatorship now falls without
hopefully without Venezuela and oil and some other support it
(04:57):
was getting from Venezuela. And things are so bad in
Cuba to begin with. I mean, there's just so much opportunity.
We know that the war in Ukraine is virtually certain
to end this year, and so there is so much
opportunity for twenty six to be one of those truly
glorious transformative years three of three, seven, one, three, A, two,
five five the number. We have an awful lot of
(05:19):
ground to cover on other fronts as well, And I
want to get to some text programming. Note the famous
Ryan Schuling is going to host the show for the
last half hour today, so thank you for doing that, Ryan.
And the real quick backstory on that is that our
son went off to college, had a lot of different opportunities,
(05:41):
but he made the decision to go to Ole Miss,
University of Mississippi, and Oxford, and he, you know, he
wanted a whole different experience. He passed up some football
opportunities to go be a student at ole Miss, and
we understood and respected that, and we came to love Oxford.
We loved our visit. It's to him, but became a
(06:03):
big fan of Old Miss football, and so we'd go
out there and we'd go to games with them, and
you know, I will always be a CU Buff, and
we also, you know, support the CSU program and they're
doing great things there, but we really came to love
going to those games with them. And so when Old
Miss made it to the college football playoffs, he and
(06:23):
I went out and we went to that home game
college football playoff game in Oxford together. And so we're
just obviously really jazzed up for the Old Miss playoff
game tonight against Miami after their big upset the world
saw it as an upset over Georgia. So Ryan's been
kind enough to take the last half hour while I
(06:45):
go off to to watch that Old Miss game. And
it's really.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Ryan.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I mean, see you Buff fans and CSU fans as well,
but you see you Buff fans can be as committed
as any fans on the planet. I've seen that before
when the team's gotten on a run. I've never seen
anything like the way this old miss fan base travels,
oh yeah, and just takes over places like they did
(07:14):
in New Orleans for that Sugar Bowl, and I think
they're going to do tonight as well. So yeah, with
Lane Kiff and their coach, and I don't want to
turn this into a whole sports segment, but I guess
I already have. It has some lessons beyond sports. Lane
Kiff and their coach abandoning the team to go take
what he saw as a better job, and now the
team's making this historic run. It would just be so
(07:36):
sweet if they could cap it off. So thank you
Ryan for covering you that last half hour today. Hey,
some other stuff going on in the world. I wanted
to kick around with you a little bit, and I'll
devote a lot of time to it tomorrow. I think
the Trump administration is doing something dynamite that's going to
make a real world change with now flipping you know,
(08:00):
the food pyramid upside down essentially, and we'll get into
the details of it tomorrow. It's nothing mandatory. It's not
people can't eat this or they have to eat that,
but using every tool and platform they have to try
to now get kids eating healthier through schools, educate the
rest of America as to you know, what a truly
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healthy diet would look like. And when you think about
the number of people we have in this country, if
all of a sudden, as a nation, all of a sudden,
we were eating better, and it doesn't mean that, you know,
I'm a slob or you're a slob, or we got
to change all our habits, but it just means that,
you know, with more of a focus on real food
instead of these ulta process lab produced foods, et cetera,
(08:46):
could be a dramatic shift in national health, a dramatic
shift in the amount that we have to spend on
illness and disease. So we'll deep dive that tomorrow because
I think there is so much promise there. And it's again,
it's one of those things where you and I don't
have to wait for the rest of the nation to
get it right, which hopefully is going to happen, but
it's something that each of us can just start doing
(09:08):
for ourselves and for our families if it's something that
you think makes sense. But I do want to get
into those details tomorrow because I'm really glad they're doing
this tomorrow, Ryan, I also want to talk about this
Central City strip club that the Central City people of
Central City are now taking to court, and I'm glad
(09:29):
that they are. This show in the past is a
proud tradition of siding with communities as they've tried to
stop strip clubs that are, you know, really disrupting, you know,
the type of culture they want to have in a
community on their main street, et cetera. So I want
to get into that in some more detail. Did you
see that Bruno Mars is coming back and where he's
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going to play?
Speaker 4 (09:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Did you see that story when not? Yeah, because no
matter what kind of music you like, it's hard to
get to a better concert than a Bruno Mars concert.
But yeah, he's going to play the Football Stadium at
air Force Academy next September. So wanted to give everybody
a heads up on that. And then some controversy with
(10:11):
the new food tree and what. We'll dig into that tomorrow.
But alcohol is a part of it, and I mean
it's not saying, hey, go give the kids alcohol, or
you know, make sure you have alcohol for breakfast or
anything like that. But alcohol does have a place on
the food tree, and I'm sure our friends out there
who are so addicted to the cause of legalized marijuana
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will be apoplectic about that. But the simple reality is
there is a difference between alcohol and dope. And while
alcohol has caused an awful lot of ill and harms
in America, so there's a different type of ill and harm,
you know, caused by dope, and the two cannot be
equated in every sense as the pro druggies often try
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to do so. Ryan again, thanks for covering the last time.
Forward when we come back, I'll get to our great texters.
You're on the Damn.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Kaplas Show and now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
The fastest growing addiction that is destroying young men in
their twenties is online sports gambling. FanDuel is a portal
to hell. Draft Kings ain't king and nothing except their
own pocketbook, and they're screwing an entire generation of young
men because you don't win. That's why they can afford
to buy ads. They're back to back to back to
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back to back ads. Every time you turn on a
sporting event. They're spending billions of dollars. You know where
they're getting that. It's out of your kids freaking pocket
because they're screwing an entire generation.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
This is evil stuff right here. That's Dave Ramsey. We're
going to dig into that in some more detail tomorrow. Ryan,
I think you know the answer to this right how
much Coloraden's who gambled last year online sports betting with.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
A total amount sixty billions something like that.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I think it's six billions, one zero too many? I
got you, and I get a little research beyond that
into how much was lost? How much? How much do
you think was lost by color outs in twenty twenty five?
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Well, even if you go with house odds, let's say
on the best game in the house in I think
it's craps at a casino, not that I would know,
but I would know, And the second best would be blackjack,
which is somewhere in the neighborhood of a forty seven
percent win for the player in fifty three percent for
the house.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Or are we in that neighborhood for sports betting?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Or is it hot thinking good thinking. Yeah, No, according
to the numbers that I've seen, it's probably five hundred
to six hundred million lost. Oh wow, you know, six
to six and a half billion bet Now, color Oddens
spend so much more than that each year overall.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
So is that eighty twenty that you just told me?
Speaker 7 (12:46):
Da?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
What's that?
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Is that eighty twenty? Then eighty favor of the house
twenty percent wins? The number just some quick math.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
If we're talking about what's six and a half billion wager,
losses are about ten percent of that?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
A losses are only ten percent of that?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, I would think the losses would be higher, way higher. Yeah,
So the numbers I'm looking at are just projections based
on other things. There's but yeah, so anyway, those are
the numbers out there. But I do want to talk
in more detail tomorrow. Dave Ramsey obviously fired up about this,
but I want to get into some more depth on
you know, is this something that is really hurting in
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particular our young people. Is it something that should be legal?
I mean, we know it's here, and it's almost certainly
here to stay. Obviously, an awful lot of people are
doing it and enjoying it. But I don't think there's
any question about the addictive. And I don't know if
it's chemically technically addictive, but habitually nature of it for
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a lot of people, And I think you know, it
wouldn't surprise me if Ramsey's right and people in their
twenties are more susceptible to that. How much of that
do you do?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Sports gambling?
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Yeah, I do fantasy football with people I know, and
I'm in a pick league with a guy who used
to work for So I don't like gambling anonymously on
websites or with people I don't know, or in settings
I don't know, or things I'm not familiar with, or
it's very impersonal. So I do a little bit. But Dan,
you know, kind of like you. You say you throw
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down a five dollars better just to make it interesting.
You never bet more than you can afford to lose,
and I just you and I are very similar in
this very specific way. You and I hate losing far
more than we enjoy winning.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Right, You're right, You're right, But I will tell you.
I mean that the sports betting, which I've always been
pretty good at, but I got to the point and
I never wagered a lot. But I got to the
point where I just cold turkey did because it was
just you know, I'm a competitor. You're a competitor. Probably
most people listening to the show. You know, if you
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listen to a show like this, you care about things, right,
you're motivated, You're probably a competitor. You want to win,
you want America to win, et cetera. So I just
got caught up in that piece of it, not the
money piece of it, and you know, it was just
taking too much time. So I just went cold turkey
on it. And yeah, I'm not even betting five bucks
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on this college football playoff came out just because of
the time it takes, you know, to go look at
the ads, look at the parlayce this and that, and
I put a few bucks down.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
I don't get too far into the weeds.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
But I'm currently winning my picks pool and these are points,
spreads and over unders, and I have been in the
lead for about a month and stop making picks because
once we got to one hundred in that little group
that we have, I qualify and I'm eligible to win.
So I'm sitting on a lead of about two percent
and nobody can catch me, and everybody's really ticked off
about it.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, well, you're good at it. A good reason not
to bet, because eventually you are with it, so you
do it more, tod burn more time, and then you'd
lose eventually, and before my time runs out.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Here, real quick, Dan, I'm at about a fifty five
percent clip against the spread its and it doesn't sound great,
but believe me, that number is very high.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Oh yeah, yeah. But then you think about the time
you invest to do all that, and everybody has to
make their own decisions. I just decided, even though I
was winning, it wasn't worth the time. Do we have
time to play forty seven again? Because Steve Reims wrote
that he was at this game with his son, George
Brockler talked about it earlier on the show. He was there,
I was there. Yeah, it was in today's anniversary of
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January eighth, twenty twelve.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Wow, let's do it. Here we go, first snap of
the overtime. The Broncos have been in three overtime games
this year. They won it all died at the thirty.
It's timas at the fifth skipper gun.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Great of the thirty to the twenty Thamas to the
times the time.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
And you know, it was so cool about that. Obviously,
the football part of it was enormous, but it all
meant more when it was Tebow. Uh And that's no
knock on anybody else, but it all meant more when
it was Tebow because he stood for something bigger, used
his platform for. That's something bigger.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Wasn't he in because of injury.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Well, you know, he took over that season that they
started owing four we on the radio shop and killing
four state Tebow stirt Tebow and it was Kyle Orton
and then they were losing and they finally put Tebow in.
And then he took the team that had been the
worst team in football statistically for the prior eighteen months.
I think they won seven and want at at some
point that season. Anyway, he took him to the playoffs
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and then they had that big upset, went over Pittsburgh
in dramatic fashion.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
The crowd was so loud their day. Can hear it?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Man? It was correct, but there was more at stake
when it was Tebow and all the knocks and all
the unfair criticism and everything else, and he just it
was picture perfect. It was just a beautiful moment for
the city. Ryan, thank you for taking the last half
hour of the show tonight. I can't wait to be
back tomorrow at four h six. But don't go anywhere, please.
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Ryan shooting and had a fascinating, fascinating conversation with Sheriff
Rames about the shooting in Minnesota. He'll break that down
for you when he comes back on the Dan Caplass Show.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
This has been a very difficult time for everyone in
the city, and this is obviously a very very tragic
situation where a woman has lost her life. That being said,
in addition to this tragedy, which unfortunately we did predict,
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we were seriously concerned about further escalation from the scene,
and I want to thank the elected officials that came
themselves to help us prevent that from happening, as well
as the individuals on that scene that remained peaceful and
that abided by law enforcement instructions so that we could
preserve that scene and ensure that a full and transparent
(19:02):
investigation can take place. That being said, I just echo
the Mayor's comments that we ask that the community continue
to call for peace. We understand people are going to
be upset about what happened, and people are going to
want to exercise their First Amendment rights, but please do
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so it safely and lawfully to ensure that we do
not have any further tragedy in the city or destruction.
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
And that was from yesterday. And we were scurrying about
in the KOA newsroom upon finding the detail of the
woman who was shot and killed on site. I was
working with my colleagues here in the newsroom and also
some of mine online and arrived at the identity of
the shooter as Renee Good. Her profile on social media
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says poet and writer and wife and mom and crappy
different word for that guitars strummer from Colorad experiencing Minneapolis, Minnesota.
She was the thirty seven year old woman who was
in the vehicle. As the Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara
describes in the press conference in the immediate aftermath of
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the shooting, Now, I have some thoughts on what he
just said, but before we get to mine, I want
to get to those of somebody who is in the
no handles situations like these. As the Sheriff of Weld County.
Steve Reims will also get into the political the legal
analysis of this, But just right out of the gate, Sheriff,
based on what you just heard and based on the
video that you've seen, what do you make of the
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police chief's comments for Minneapolis.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
You know, I'm embarrassed for him. I think they're wholly
inappropriate as a police chief or as a leader of
a law enforcement organization to you know, make the comments
that he did. He's really he's put a target on
the ice officers that are working in Minneapolis, and already
had done that by saying, you know, this isn't going
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to be well. He basically told his citizens, hey, you know,
go out and engage in these kind of actions and yeah,
you know they don't end well when you get into
confrontations with law enforcement and you use your vehicle as
a potential deadly weapon. You know. Yeah, he says, we
predicted this was going to happen. I think they also
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invited it to happen.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
That was the part that jumped out to me, Sheriff,
what you just said right there where he's like, well,
we were saying this is going to happen. It's like, well,
why why would that be the case, instead of actively
cooperating with ICE and telling citizens, look, if ICE comes
in here, here's how you handle that situation. Give them
kind of a four to one one. And then the
other part was we understand people are angry, Well, why
would they be angry necessarily justifiably, especially coming from the
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chief of police in Minneapolis sheriff, where you might say, look,
this woman, there's an investigation, it's ongoing, it's active. She
may well have been at fault or words to that effect,
rather than just basically absolving her of any responsibility in
those comments. Towards the end of what he just.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Said, well, essentially they're pandering to one side of the
political equation. And I think it's wholly obvious when the
statements that he and the mayor make, you know, they
just totally justify this lady's actions and condemn the ICE
officers' actions when video clearly shows that it doesn't play
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out the way that either of them portray it in
their statements. I mean, it's it's embarrassing. I don't know
a better word to use other than this is not
a person in law enforcement that I have much respect for.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
If any Sheriff Steve rings Weld County joining us with
some point of commentary there, and he's in a position
to do so real quickly. From a kind of a
functional organizational standpoint, Sheriff, what are the fundamental differences in
the duties and the responsibilities in the oversight of yourself,
let's say, as a county sheriff versus those of a
police chief of Minneapolis or Denver, pead.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
So the biggest difference is I'm elected into my position.
I respond to the citizens of Weld County as any
sheriff or most sheriffs do. There are some appointed sheriffs
in some of the bigger metropolitan areas, such as Denver.
But I make my own decisions for my office. I decide,
you know, how we're going to interact with the public.
I decide what we're going to focus on, you know,
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what crimes we're going to most focus on, What areas
we're going to place the most emphasis on for protecting
the public. A police chief doesn't have that authority. They
work for either a city manager or the mayor. In Minneapolis,
it's obvious that the police chief works directly for the mayor,
and they don't really get to have their own opinion,
their own voice. They're basically, for lack of better terms,
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oftentimes the puppet to the mayor. Now, there are some
places where police chiefs are given a lot more latitude,
especially up here in Weld County, and they do have
some more you know, some more authority to make political statements.
But you know, essentially in a police environment, they're not
setting their own tone. Obviously, oftentimes a city manager, mayor
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is telling them what the focus of their enforcement needs
to be.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams our guest talking about yesterday's
deadly shooting in which there was a confrontation between Ice
agents on site apparently trying to get a vehicle unstuck
from some snow there, and then the Renaine Nicole Good
obstructing the scene. And we'll get to more of those
details in just a moment. But as the sheriff just mentioned,
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Jacob Frye, the mayor of Minneapolis, had some very incendiary
comments and profanity laced. I might add here is the
first thing that he had to say in the press conference,
obviously overcome with emotion rather than logic.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
We've dreaded this moment since the early stages of this
ICE presence in Minneapolis. Not only is this a concern
that we've had internally, we've been talking about it. They
are not here to cause safety in this city. What
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they are doing is not to provide safety in America.
What they are doing is causing chaos and distrust. They're
ripping families apart, They're sowing chaos on our streets and
in this case quite literally killing people. So they are
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already trying to spin this as an action of self defense.
Having seen the video of myself, I want to tell
everybody directly that is bullshit. This was an agent recklessly
using power that resulted in somebody dying getting killed.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Ultimate irony rate. There sheriff recklessly using power. These comments
in themselves are reckless that he would jump of these conclusions.
Get the jump to conclusions, Matt out from office space.
The investigation hasn't even been conducted yet. How can he
just leap right out and make these assumptions based on
his very emotional read on a video.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Well, again, it's political pandering. You know, he's he's playing
to the majority in Minneapolis, and you know he's vilifying
Ice in the mission that they have. You know, if
he was so worried about this being the eventual outcome.
What he would have done is put Minneapolis officers out
on the streets to create a safe zone so that
these ice officers could go do their work without being
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you know, without being attacked or you know, having citizens
come up and try to get in the way of
their actions. He could have created a safe zone with
his officers, He could have interacted with these people proactively. Instead,
he fueled, you know, he fueled this narrative in his city,
basically emboldening citizens to go out and interact with ice
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in the way that turned very deadly in this situation.
I think he's just as much to blame as anyone
for how this incident played out, and anything that happens
further from here with ice officers or law enforcement being
attacked in Minneapolis, I think solely falls at his feet.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast, Well
County Sheriff Steve Reims joining us into the legal aspect
of this, and Jonathan Turley makes some very good points
here on the x's and o's. You can watch the video.
There are several videos actually from different angles as to
what exactly happened in the vehicle driven by Renan Nicole
(27:44):
Good and if there was in fact an ICE agent
who was positioned in front of the vehicle. When you
see one of the videos I watched this several times,
there is an agent to the side and she eludes
that one, but in the process of doing doing that
goes directly into the path of another ICE agent who
is not as visible in that original video. Here's what
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Jonathan Tierley had to say about the conduct of a
legal observer at a protest like this. He's been involved
in these situations in the past.
Speaker 9 (28:16):
I've represented legal observers at protests, and I have to say,
this is not the conduct of a legal observer. This
is someone who is obstructing. This is someone who's a participant.
When I've represented legal observers in the past, we often
stress that these are individuals who are trained not to
put themselves in the path of officers, not to become
part of the protest, but to do as they are
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claimed to be doing, that is to observe. So I
don't think the legal observer status is going to have
an impact here in terms of the outcome of the case.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Are there organizers out there that you are aware of Sheriff,
and I might be asking for either some speculation here
or maybe some real evidence that there are organizations like
ANTIFA that in fact act are training or instructing people
to do the exact opposite of what Jonathan Turley just
did in describing the conduct of a legal observer, and
(29:08):
that is you want to obstruct, you want to get
in their face, you want to get in the way,
you want to cause commotion and problems.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Well, I can tell you from my own personal experience
in the Summer of Love during twenty twenty, when I
participated in a pro police rally down in downtown Denver,
it was obvious that folks that were associated with ANTIFA
and other organizations will say non friendly to law enforcement organizations,
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had been coached up and trained up on exactly how
they were going to take over an event that we
were trying to have in downtown Denver, and they used
many of these same tactics. They were throwing cans of
soup at people who were there to participate in this
pro police rally. They were inciting violence, they were hitting
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people with skateboards. I mean, it got out of control
real fast, and that was my no, no fault of
the people there that were there to put on the rally.
It's very much the same tactics you see here with
some of the folks that are engaged in this this
process in Minneapolis. You know, I don't know, I don't
know if there's a concerted effort out there through one
(30:19):
particular organization, but it becomes very apparent that all you
need is a few rebel rousers in any one crowd
and things go, uh, you know, things go south pretty fast.
And when you're just watching you know, the live footage
that's on right now on Fox News, I mean, there's
there's people that are continuing to do the things that
they were doing yesterday, looking for you know, some kind
(30:40):
of violent confrontation, and it's just not smart. I don't
I don't know what people are hoping to gain from this,
but it's it's a disgusting place for us to be
in America right now.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Well, County Sheriff Steve Reen's joining us reflecting upon the
fatal shooting by an ice agent of Remainical Good Colorad
Native in Minneapolis yesterday, and there are ongoing protests and
clashes happening right now in real time. As I discussed
this matter with the sheriff. One final point here, Sheriff,
we appreciate your time this morning. Tremendous insights and perspectives.
(31:13):
This from Joe Scarborough asking Jonathan Leemyer about the administration
of medical aid in the aftermath of the shooting. And
I just want to get your thoughts on this.
Speaker 10 (31:23):
Where you see the bloodied airbag and the glove compartment
of this woman's car is still the stuffed animals for.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Her child.
Speaker 10 (31:31):
Also questions being raised about there's a neighbor who lives
right there who's a doctor. This video of this, he's screaming, hey,
let me go help, let me go help. I say,
just tell him no, this woman does not receive any
medical help for for many minutes.
Speaker 11 (31:42):
Now, can I ask you or ICE agents to stop ambulances,
to stop doctors from going in and trying to save
a woman's life. Why do they have the authority to
stop doctors from trying to save the life of somebody
that and ICE person an ICE shoot or his shot
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at point blank range three times.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
I'll handle the first part of that.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Where you're hear Mika Brazenski breathlessly sigh when Jonathanalamier says
there were stuffed animals in there.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
I mean set that aside.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
This woman took her own life into her own hands,
made a decision. It was a fatal decision. I'm not
saying she deserved to die, but that does not absolve
her of responsibility for putting herself in that situation to
begin with, that lack of situational awareness under those heightened
circumstances in which you need to know if an ice agent,
if a police officer comes at you, let's say, weapons drawn,
(32:36):
or tells you to get out of the vehicle, then
you do it. You just do it, and you're alive today.
Otherwise the other part of that, Sheriff. Now, I'm trying
to envision what might have happened on scene, and I'll
let you fill in the blanks, But it appears there
was some local, maybe a good samaritan who was a doctor,
that wanted to administer aid to her. My thought is
(32:57):
that law enforcement doesn't necessarily know whether or not that
person is credentialed as a doctor, so they might not
let that person onto what is now an active scene
to be investigated. Take us from there in your analysis
and why an ice agent, a police officer might stop
a doctor from administering aid in that situation.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Well, I mean, obviously, you have an incident that is
unfolding very quickly. You have no idea how the crowd's
going to react. You do have an active crime scene,
and you again, you know, this is already a ten
situation where you know, this lady has been shot, she
sped away and crashed into another vehicle. Whether she was
still alive at the time, you know, who knows. But
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I think the Ice agents are making split second decisions
and being armshare quarterbacked. After the fact. They have to
make sure that the scene is safe before they let
anyone in, whether that's a doctor or an ambulance or
anything else. I mean, they wouldn't have flagged ambulances to
come in and render aid either if they had been
taken over by the crowd. So you know, again easy
(34:00):
to watch something after the fact and say, oh, they
should have done this, and they should have done that.
These are extremely difficult situations to deal with it, as
I can tell you from my own personal experience, and
after the fact, I'm sure these Ice officers are even
going to look and say, wow, I wish I'd have
done this a little different and done that a little different,
But nothing that they did, in my opinion, is illegal,
(34:23):
and nothing that they did was, you know, was detrimental
to this woman any more so than her own actions.
So it's an unfortunate event. It's sad that it ended
the way it did. But as you said, she played
a large role in her own death, and you know,
her engagement in this situation resulted in the outcome.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Talking about the Colorado native, thirty seven year old Renee
Good shot and killed by an Ice agent yesterday in Minneapolis, Minnesota,
and protests are ongoing right now in real time as
we have this conversation with Weld County Sheriff Steve Reames.
One final note, Sheriff, we've been profiled the participants in
the Republican governor candidate forum coming up this Saturday at
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the Double Tree by Hilton Greeley at Lincoln Park. It'll
be from one thirty pm to three thirty pm. Yours truly,
Mandy Connell of KOA will be co moderating this. You
will be seeing the event hosted by Steve Wells and
Wells Ranch. I'm looking online says there's a few tickets left.
Give us the very latest on this and if people
are interested in attending, what they.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Should do sure well. Initially we had capped the seating
at three hundred, but because we had so many people
that were acquiring tickets, we decided to add some seating,
so we've increased that up to four hundred and we're
getting pretty close to being done with tickets. There's still
a few available. If people are interested in attending the debate,
which I hope they do, you can go to my
(35:47):
Facebook page, your social media pages and just click on
the link for the debate. We didn't develop a website
for this because it was kind of a quick idea
to put it all together, but you still can get
some tickets and we encourage people to come engage. This
is the best way to know who your candidates are.
We have three really good ones with Barb Kirkmeyer, Jason
Michel and Scott Bottoms, and I think it's going to
(36:07):
be I think it's going to be a good time
and we'll let him mix it up a little bit.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Definitely looking forward to that, and I'll be meeting with
the sheriff and Mandy immediately following today's program. Reams for
Weld Commissioner on Facebook is where you can find out
more about the event and of course his campaign to
become Weld Commissioners. He retires out of his position as
the Sheriff of Weld County. Steve great Stuff is always
thank you so much for your time today
Speaker 3 (36:30):
You bet Ryan, thanks for having me on
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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American Way very much at stake in this Minnesota tragedy,
(00:20):
because the American Way depends on rule of law. The
American Way depends on having men and women who are
willing to serve as law enforcement officers. The American Way
depends upon honesty. And I know that sounds naive, but
go back and I'm sure you have, and you look
at what the founders had to say, etc.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
There was a certain level of morality that was going
to be necessary in order for self governance to work.
And we're at such a I know it's a perilous point,
but I think it's a point of such great opportunity
at the moment because you have all of these democrats,
not all democrats, but all of these democrats, these prominent democrats.
(01:00):
It's prominent elected officials who are flat out willing to
lie and mislead, and here we see it in connection
with this shooting, up in Minnesota, and it not only
creates the immediate danger right of throwing you know, fuel
on the fire and having mass violence in the carnage
that comes with that, but it creates very much a
(01:20):
danger for our democracy because that the reality is and
all the available facts indicate that it's a tragedy. But
it's a tragedy and part of you know, the deceased
own making. But it's a case where the officer was
reasonable to shoot under those circumstances. Maybe another officer doesn't,
(01:41):
But that's not the test. It's not the legal test,
and it shouldn't be the right and wrong test either,
because the officers obviously have to make those decisions in
split seconds with their life on the line. And for
the reasons we've reviewed, you know, there's literally unless there's
some dramatic evidence out there on body came or something
(02:02):
else that we're not aware of, at this point, you
know that there's no way there's going to be any
kind of criminal prosecution or that there should be of
the officer. By the way, and I know you already
know this, but when you've got a federal officer exercising
his or her duty in the line like that, they
cannot be charged at the state level. They can only
be prosecuted federally. And so I think a lot of
(02:23):
what we see right now from you know, this true lunacy,
you're seeing from Governor Waltce up there, Mayor Fry, et cetera.
By extension, other Democrats around the country, including here in Colorado,
Michael Bennett and I don't know, Ryan, did you see
that video of Bennett deploring the shooting in Minnesota. No,
the guy looks one hundred and eight. I don't know
(02:44):
if he's been hanging out with Hick and Looper or what,
but he he just looked old and his heart didn't
look in the comments, and it shouldn't be because what
he was saying was ludicrous. But but it's what I
think is going on is it's a political impotence right now.
I mean, they know they know that that Trump is winning,
(03:08):
that Trump is succeeding. They know the GOP is likely
to get the White House again. They know the left
is flailing. It is a few bastions like you know,
Colorado and Chicago and things like that, but it is
overall failing. And so they get more and more extreme,
and they get more and more extreme and dangerous in
(03:30):
their rhetoric, and so yeah, it's a perilous time, but
it's also a time of such great opportunity because as
a former Democrat, I just know there are so many
Democrats out there who have no idea their party has
become this whack because they have real lives, they're not
paying attention to politics every day, And there are certain
things like this that will cut through the noise and
people will be able to watch that video for themselves
(03:53):
and say, man, what a tragedy. It's so sad this
woman's dead, But how can you fault the officer? And
then their own political already is explicitly or implicitly saying
the officers a murder. No, it's moments like this that
are going to help more and more people see who
these modern Democrats really are and move them away from
that party. And so much opportunity around the globe right now.
(04:16):
There's not much talk about Iran, but but it looks
like a real opportunity now to overthrow that evil regime
that is essentially held the people of Iron prisoner for
so long and has endangered and undermined the world in
so many ways. Can you imagine what this world's going
to look like at the end of twenty six if
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the Iranian regime falls and now Maduro's gone, and so
things can only get better there. I'm not saying it's
going to be a panacea overnight, but are a decent
chance that the evil Cuban communist dictatorship now falls without
hopefully without Venezuela and oil and some other support it
(04:57):
was getting from Venezuela. And things are so bad in
Cuba to begin with. I mean, there's just so much opportunity.
We know that the war in Ukraine is virtually certain
to end this year, and so there is so much
opportunity for twenty six to be one of those truly
glorious transformative years three of three, seven, one, three, A, two,
five five the number. We have an awful lot of
(05:19):
ground to cover on other fronts as well, And I
want to get to some text programming. Note the famous
Ryan Schuling is going to host the show for the
last half hour today, so thank you for doing that, Ryan.
And the real quick backstory on that is that our
son went off to college, had a lot of different opportunities,
(05:41):
but he made the decision to go to Ole Miss,
University of Mississippi, and Oxford, and he, you know, he
wanted a whole different experience. He passed up some football
opportunities to go be a student at ole Miss, and
we understood and respected that, and we came to love Oxford.
We loved our visit. It's to him, but became a
(06:03):
big fan of Old Miss football, and so we'd go
out there and we'd go to games with them, and
you know, I will always be a CU Buff, and
we also, you know, support the CSU program and they're
doing great things there, but we really came to love
going to those games with them. And so when Old
Miss made it to the college football playoffs, he and
(06:23):
I went out and we went to that home game
college football playoff game in Oxford together. And so we're
just obviously really jazzed up for the Old Miss playoff
game tonight against Miami after their big upset the world
saw it as an upset over Georgia. So Ryan's been
kind enough to take the last half hour while I
(06:45):
go off to to watch that Old Miss game. And
it's really.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Ryan.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I mean, see you Buff fans and CSU fans as well,
but you see you Buff fans can be as committed
as any fans on the planet. I've seen that before
when the team's gotten on a run. I've never seen
anything like the way this old miss fan base travels,
oh yeah, and just takes over places like they did
(07:14):
in New Orleans for that Sugar Bowl, and I think
they're going to do tonight as well. So yeah, with
Lane Kiff and their coach, and I don't want to
turn this into a whole sports segment, but I guess
I already have. It has some lessons beyond sports. Lane
Kiff and their coach abandoning the team to go take
what he saw as a better job, and now the
team's making this historic run. It would just be so
(07:36):
sweet if they could cap it off. So thank you
Ryan for covering you that last half hour today. Hey,
some other stuff going on in the world. I wanted
to kick around with you a little bit, and I'll
devote a lot of time to it tomorrow. I think
the Trump administration is doing something dynamite that's going to
make a real world change with now flipping you know,
(08:00):
the food pyramid upside down essentially, and we'll get into
the details of it tomorrow. It's nothing mandatory. It's not
people can't eat this or they have to eat that,
but using every tool and platform they have to try
to now get kids eating healthier through schools, educate the
rest of America as to you know, what a truly
(08:22):
healthy diet would look like. And when you think about
the number of people we have in this country, if
all of a sudden, as a nation, all of a sudden,
we were eating better, and it doesn't mean that, you know,
I'm a slob or you're a slob, or we got
to change all our habits, but it just means that,
you know, with more of a focus on real food
instead of these ulta process lab produced foods, et cetera,
(08:46):
could be a dramatic shift in national health, a dramatic
shift in the amount that we have to spend on
illness and disease. So we'll deep dive that tomorrow because
I think there is so much promise there. And it's again,
it's one of those things where you and I don't
have to wait for the rest of the nation to
get it right, which hopefully is going to happen, but
it's something that each of us can just start doing
(09:08):
for ourselves and for our families if it's something that
you think makes sense. But I do want to get
into those details tomorrow because I'm really glad they're doing
this tomorrow, Ryan, I also want to talk about this
Central City strip club that the Central City people of
Central City are now taking to court, and I'm glad
(09:29):
that they are. This show in the past is a
proud tradition of siding with communities as they've tried to
stop strip clubs that are, you know, really disrupting, you know,
the type of culture they want to have in a
community on their main street, et cetera. So I want
to get into that in some more detail. Did you
see that Bruno Mars is coming back and where he's
(09:49):
going to play?
Speaker 4 (09:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Did you see that story when not? Yeah, because no
matter what kind of music you like, it's hard to
get to a better concert than a Bruno Mars concert.
But yeah, he's going to play the Football Stadium at
air Force Academy next September. So wanted to give everybody
a heads up on that. And then some controversy with
(10:11):
the new food tree and what. We'll dig into that tomorrow.
But alcohol is a part of it, and I mean
it's not saying, hey, go give the kids alcohol, or
you know, make sure you have alcohol for breakfast or
anything like that. But alcohol does have a place on
the food tree, and I'm sure our friends out there
who are so addicted to the cause of legalized marijuana
(10:34):
will be apoplectic about that. But the simple reality is
there is a difference between alcohol and dope. And while
alcohol has caused an awful lot of ill and harms
in America, so there's a different type of ill and harm,
you know, caused by dope, and the two cannot be
equated in every sense as the pro druggies often try
(10:57):
to do so. Ryan again, thanks for covering the last time.
Forward when we come back, I'll get to our great texters.
You're on the Damn.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Kaplas Show and now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
The fastest growing addiction that is destroying young men in
their twenties is online sports gambling. FanDuel is a portal
to hell. Draft Kings ain't king and nothing except their
own pocketbook, and they're screwing an entire generation of young
men because you don't win. That's why they can afford
to buy ads. They're back to back to back to
(11:30):
back to back ads. Every time you turn on a
sporting event. They're spending billions of dollars. You know where
they're getting that. It's out of your kids freaking pocket
because they're screwing an entire generation.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
This is evil stuff right here. That's Dave Ramsey. We're
going to dig into that in some more detail tomorrow. Ryan,
I think you know the answer to this right how
much Coloraden's who gambled last year online sports betting with.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
A total amount sixty billions something like that.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I think it's six billions, one zero too many? I
got you, and I get a little research beyond that
into how much was lost? How much? How much do
you think was lost by color outs in twenty twenty five?
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Well, even if you go with house odds, let's say
on the best game in the house in I think
it's craps at a casino, not that I would know,
but I would know, And the second best would be blackjack,
which is somewhere in the neighborhood of a forty seven
percent win for the player in fifty three percent for
the house.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Or are we in that neighborhood for sports betting?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Or is it hot thinking good thinking. Yeah, No, according
to the numbers that I've seen, it's probably five hundred
to six hundred million lost. Oh wow, you know, six
to six and a half billion bet Now, color Oddens
spend so much more than that each year overall.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
So is that eighty twenty that you just told me?
Speaker 7 (12:46):
Da?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
What's that?
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Is that eighty twenty? Then eighty favor of the house
twenty percent wins? The number just some quick math.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
If we're talking about what's six and a half billion wager,
losses are about ten percent of that?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
A losses are only ten percent of that?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, I would think the losses would be higher, way higher. Yeah,
So the numbers I'm looking at are just projections based
on other things. There's but yeah, so anyway, those are
the numbers out there. But I do want to talk
in more detail tomorrow. Dave Ramsey obviously fired up about this,
but I want to get into some more depth on
you know, is this something that is really hurting in
(13:23):
particular our young people. Is it something that should be legal?
I mean, we know it's here, and it's almost certainly
here to stay. Obviously, an awful lot of people are
doing it and enjoying it. But I don't think there's
any question about the addictive. And I don't know if
it's chemically technically addictive, but habitually nature of it for
(13:44):
a lot of people, And I think you know, it
wouldn't surprise me if Ramsey's right and people in their
twenties are more susceptible to that. How much of that
do you do?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Sports gambling?
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Yeah, I do fantasy football with people I know, and
I'm in a pick league with a guy who used
to work for So I don't like gambling anonymously on
websites or with people I don't know, or in settings
I don't know, or things I'm not familiar with, or
it's very impersonal. So I do a little bit. But Dan,
you know, kind of like you. You say you throw
(14:16):
down a five dollars better just to make it interesting.
You never bet more than you can afford to lose,
and I just you and I are very similar in
this very specific way. You and I hate losing far
more than we enjoy winning.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Right, You're right, You're right, But I will tell you.
I mean that the sports betting, which I've always been
pretty good at, but I got to the point and
I never wagered a lot. But I got to the
point where I just cold turkey did because it was
just you know, I'm a competitor. You're a competitor. Probably
most people listening to the show. You know, if you
(14:49):
listen to a show like this, you care about things, right,
you're motivated, You're probably a competitor. You want to win,
you want America to win, et cetera. So I just
got caught up in that piece of it, not the
money piece of it, and you know, it was just
taking too much time. So I just went cold turkey
on it. And yeah, I'm not even betting five bucks
(15:11):
on this college football playoff came out just because of
the time it takes, you know, to go look at
the ads, look at the parlayce this and that, and
I put a few bucks down.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
I don't get too far into the weeds.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
But I'm currently winning my picks pool and these are points,
spreads and over unders, and I have been in the
lead for about a month and stop making picks because
once we got to one hundred in that little group
that we have, I qualify and I'm eligible to win.
So I'm sitting on a lead of about two percent
and nobody can catch me, and everybody's really ticked off
about it.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, well, you're good at it. A good reason not
to bet, because eventually you are with it, so you
do it more, tod burn more time, and then you'd
lose eventually, and before my time runs out.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Here, real quick, Dan, I'm at about a fifty five
percent clip against the spread its and it doesn't sound great,
but believe me, that number is very high.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Oh yeah, yeah. But then you think about the time
you invest to do all that, and everybody has to
make their own decisions. I just decided, even though I
was winning, it wasn't worth the time. Do we have
time to play forty seven again? Because Steve Reims wrote
that he was at this game with his son, George
Brockler talked about it earlier on the show. He was there,
I was there. Yeah, it was in today's anniversary of
(16:21):
January eighth, twenty twelve.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Wow, let's do it. Here we go, first snap of
the overtime. The Broncos have been in three overtime games
this year. They won it all died at the thirty.
It's timas at the fifth skipper gun.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Great of the thirty to the twenty Thamas to the
times the time.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
And you know, it was so cool about that. Obviously,
the football part of it was enormous, but it all
meant more when it was Tebow. Uh And that's no
knock on anybody else, but it all meant more when
it was Tebow because he stood for something bigger, used
his platform for. That's something bigger.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Wasn't he in because of injury.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Well, you know, he took over that season that they
started owing four we on the radio shop and killing
four state Tebow stirt Tebow and it was Kyle Orton
and then they were losing and they finally put Tebow in.
And then he took the team that had been the
worst team in football statistically for the prior eighteen months.
I think they won seven and want at at some
point that season. Anyway, he took him to the playoffs
(17:25):
and then they had that big upset, went over Pittsburgh
in dramatic fashion.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
The crowd was so loud their day. Can hear it?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Man? It was correct, but there was more at stake
when it was Tebow and all the knocks and all
the unfair criticism and everything else, and he just it
was picture perfect. It was just a beautiful moment for
the city. Ryan, thank you for taking the last half
hour of the show tonight. I can't wait to be
back tomorrow at four h six. But don't go anywhere, please.
(17:52):
Ryan shooting and had a fascinating, fascinating conversation with Sheriff
Rames about the shooting in Minnesota. He'll break that down
for you when he comes back on the Dan Caplass Show.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
This has been a very difficult time for everyone in
the city, and this is obviously a very very tragic
situation where a woman has lost her life. That being said,
in addition to this tragedy, which unfortunately we did predict,
(18:39):
we were seriously concerned about further escalation from the scene,
and I want to thank the elected officials that came
themselves to help us prevent that from happening, as well
as the individuals on that scene that remained peaceful and
that abided by law enforcement instructions so that we could
preserve that scene and ensure that a full and transparent
(19:02):
investigation can take place. That being said, I just echo
the Mayor's comments that we ask that the community continue
to call for peace. We understand people are going to
be upset about what happened, and people are going to
want to exercise their First Amendment rights, but please do
(19:22):
so it safely and lawfully to ensure that we do
not have any further tragedy in the city or destruction.
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
And that was from yesterday. And we were scurrying about
in the KOA newsroom upon finding the detail of the
woman who was shot and killed on site. I was
working with my colleagues here in the newsroom and also
some of mine online and arrived at the identity of
the shooter as Renee Good. Her profile on social media
(19:52):
says poet and writer and wife and mom and crappy
different word for that guitars strummer from Colorad experiencing Minneapolis, Minnesota.
She was the thirty seven year old woman who was
in the vehicle. As the Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara
describes in the press conference in the immediate aftermath of
(20:14):
the shooting, Now, I have some thoughts on what he
just said, but before we get to mine, I want
to get to those of somebody who is in the
no handles situations like these. As the Sheriff of Weld County.
Steve Reims will also get into the political the legal
analysis of this, But just right out of the gate, Sheriff,
based on what you just heard and based on the
video that you've seen, what do you make of the
(20:36):
police chief's comments for Minneapolis.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
You know, I'm embarrassed for him. I think they're wholly
inappropriate as a police chief or as a leader of
a law enforcement organization to you know, make the comments
that he did. He's really he's put a target on
the ice officers that are working in Minneapolis, and already
had done that by saying, you know, this isn't going
(20:59):
to be well. He basically told his citizens, hey, you know,
go out and engage in these kind of actions and yeah,
you know they don't end well when you get into
confrontations with law enforcement and you use your vehicle as
a potential deadly weapon. You know. Yeah, he says, we
predicted this was going to happen. I think they also
(21:21):
invited it to happen.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
That was the part that jumped out to me, Sheriff,
what you just said right there where he's like, well,
we were saying this is going to happen. It's like, well,
why why would that be the case, instead of actively
cooperating with ICE and telling citizens, look, if ICE comes
in here, here's how you handle that situation. Give them
kind of a four to one one. And then the
other part was we understand people are angry, Well, why
would they be angry necessarily justifiably, especially coming from the
(21:47):
chief of police in Minneapolis sheriff, where you might say, look,
this woman, there's an investigation, it's ongoing, it's active. She
may well have been at fault or words to that effect,
rather than just basically absolving her of any responsibility in
those comments. Towards the end of what he just.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Said, well, essentially they're pandering to one side of the
political equation. And I think it's wholly obvious when the
statements that he and the mayor make, you know, they
just totally justify this lady's actions and condemn the ICE
officers' actions when video clearly shows that it doesn't play
(22:23):
out the way that either of them portray it in
their statements. I mean, it's it's embarrassing. I don't know
a better word to use other than this is not
a person in law enforcement that I have much respect for.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
If any Sheriff Steve rings Weld County joining us with
some point of commentary there, and he's in a position
to do so real quickly. From a kind of a
functional organizational standpoint, Sheriff, what are the fundamental differences in
the duties and the responsibilities in the oversight of yourself,
let's say, as a county sheriff versus those of a
police chief of Minneapolis or Denver, pead.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
So the biggest difference is I'm elected into my position.
I respond to the citizens of Weld County as any
sheriff or most sheriffs do. There are some appointed sheriffs
in some of the bigger metropolitan areas, such as Denver.
But I make my own decisions for my office. I decide,
you know, how we're going to interact with the public.
I decide what we're going to focus on, you know,
(23:22):
what crimes we're going to most focus on, What areas
we're going to place the most emphasis on for protecting
the public. A police chief doesn't have that authority. They
work for either a city manager or the mayor. In Minneapolis,
it's obvious that the police chief works directly for the mayor,
and they don't really get to have their own opinion,
their own voice. They're basically, for lack of better terms,
(23:46):
oftentimes the puppet to the mayor. Now, there are some
places where police chiefs are given a lot more latitude,
especially up here in Weld County, and they do have
some more you know, some more authority to make political statements.
But you know, essentially in a police environment, they're not
setting their own tone. Obviously, oftentimes a city manager, mayor
(24:10):
is telling them what the focus of their enforcement needs
to be.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams our guest talking about yesterday's
deadly shooting in which there was a confrontation between Ice
agents on site apparently trying to get a vehicle unstuck
from some snow there, and then the Renaine Nicole Good
obstructing the scene. And we'll get to more of those
details in just a moment. But as the sheriff just mentioned,
(24:35):
Jacob Frye, the mayor of Minneapolis, had some very incendiary
comments and profanity laced. I might add here is the
first thing that he had to say in the press conference,
obviously overcome with emotion rather than logic.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
We've dreaded this moment since the early stages of this
ICE presence in Minneapolis. Not only is this a concern
that we've had internally, we've been talking about it. They
are not here to cause safety in this city. What
(25:09):
they are doing is not to provide safety in America.
What they are doing is causing chaos and distrust. They're
ripping families apart, They're sowing chaos on our streets and
in this case quite literally killing people. So they are
(25:30):
already trying to spin this as an action of self defense.
Having seen the video of myself, I want to tell
everybody directly that is bullshit. This was an agent recklessly
using power that resulted in somebody dying getting killed.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Ultimate irony rate. There sheriff recklessly using power. These comments
in themselves are reckless that he would jump of these conclusions.
Get the jump to conclusions, Matt out from office space.
The investigation hasn't even been conducted yet. How can he
just leap right out and make these assumptions based on
his very emotional read on a video.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Well, again, it's political pandering. You know, he's he's playing
to the majority in Minneapolis, and you know he's vilifying
Ice in the mission that they have. You know, if
he was so worried about this being the eventual outcome.
What he would have done is put Minneapolis officers out
on the streets to create a safe zone so that
these ice officers could go do their work without being
(26:36):
you know, without being attacked or you know, having citizens
come up and try to get in the way of
their actions. He could have created a safe zone with
his officers, He could have interacted with these people proactively. Instead,
he fueled, you know, he fueled this narrative in his city,
basically emboldening citizens to go out and interact with ice
(27:00):
in the way that turned very deadly in this situation.
I think he's just as much to blame as anyone
for how this incident played out, and anything that happens
further from here with ice officers or law enforcement being
attacked in Minneapolis, I think solely falls at his feet.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast, Well
County Sheriff Steve Reims joining us into the legal aspect
of this, and Jonathan Turley makes some very good points
here on the x's and o's. You can watch the video.
There are several videos actually from different angles as to
what exactly happened in the vehicle driven by Renan Nicole
(27:44):
Good and if there was in fact an ICE agent
who was positioned in front of the vehicle. When you
see one of the videos I watched this several times,
there is an agent to the side and she eludes
that one, but in the process of doing doing that
goes directly into the path of another ICE agent who
is not as visible in that original video. Here's what
(28:07):
Jonathan Tierley had to say about the conduct of a
legal observer at a protest like this. He's been involved
in these situations in the past.
Speaker 9 (28:16):
I've represented legal observers at protests, and I have to say,
this is not the conduct of a legal observer. This
is someone who is obstructing. This is someone who's a participant.
When I've represented legal observers in the past, we often
stress that these are individuals who are trained not to
put themselves in the path of officers, not to become
part of the protest, but to do as they are
(28:39):
claimed to be doing, that is to observe. So I
don't think the legal observer status is going to have
an impact here in terms of the outcome of the case.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Are there organizers out there that you are aware of Sheriff,
and I might be asking for either some speculation here
or maybe some real evidence that there are organizations like
ANTIFA that in fact act are training or instructing people
to do the exact opposite of what Jonathan Turley just
did in describing the conduct of a legal observer, and
(29:08):
that is you want to obstruct, you want to get
in their face, you want to get in the way,
you want to cause commotion and problems.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Well, I can tell you from my own personal experience
in the Summer of Love during twenty twenty, when I
participated in a pro police rally down in downtown Denver,
it was obvious that folks that were associated with ANTIFA
and other organizations will say non friendly to law enforcement organizations,
(29:36):
had been coached up and trained up on exactly how
they were going to take over an event that we
were trying to have in downtown Denver, and they used
many of these same tactics. They were throwing cans of
soup at people who were there to participate in this
pro police rally. They were inciting violence, they were hitting
(29:58):
people with skateboards. I mean, it got out of control
real fast, and that was my no, no fault of
the people there that were there to put on the rally.
It's very much the same tactics you see here with
some of the folks that are engaged in this this
process in Minneapolis. You know, I don't know, I don't
know if there's a concerted effort out there through one
(30:19):
particular organization, but it becomes very apparent that all you
need is a few rebel rousers in any one crowd
and things go, uh, you know, things go south pretty fast.
And when you're just watching you know, the live footage
that's on right now on Fox News, I mean, there's
there's people that are continuing to do the things that
they were doing yesterday, looking for you know, some kind
(30:40):
of violent confrontation, and it's just not smart. I don't
I don't know what people are hoping to gain from this,
but it's it's a disgusting place for us to be
in America right now.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Well, County Sheriff Steve Reen's joining us reflecting upon the
fatal shooting by an ice agent of Remainical Good Colorad
Native in Minneapolis yesterday, and there are ongoing protests and
clashes happening right now in real time. As I discussed
this matter with the sheriff. One final point here, Sheriff,
we appreciate your time this morning. Tremendous insights and perspectives.
(31:13):
This from Joe Scarborough asking Jonathan Leemyer about the administration
of medical aid in the aftermath of the shooting. And
I just want to get your thoughts on this.
Speaker 10 (31:23):
Where you see the bloodied airbag and the glove compartment
of this woman's car is still the stuffed animals for.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Her child.
Speaker 10 (31:31):
Also questions being raised about there's a neighbor who lives
right there who's a doctor. This video of this, he's screaming, hey,
let me go help, let me go help. I say,
just tell him no, this woman does not receive any
medical help for for many minutes.
Speaker 11 (31:42):
Now, can I ask you or ICE agents to stop ambulances,
to stop doctors from going in and trying to save
a woman's life. Why do they have the authority to
stop doctors from trying to save the life of somebody
that and ICE person an ICE shoot or his shot
(32:03):
at point blank range three times.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
I'll handle the first part of that.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Where you're hear Mika Brazenski breathlessly sigh when Jonathanalamier says
there were stuffed animals in there.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
I mean set that aside.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
This woman took her own life into her own hands,
made a decision. It was a fatal decision. I'm not
saying she deserved to die, but that does not absolve
her of responsibility for putting herself in that situation to
begin with, that lack of situational awareness under those heightened
circumstances in which you need to know if an ice agent,
if a police officer comes at you, let's say, weapons drawn,
(32:36):
or tells you to get out of the vehicle, then
you do it. You just do it, and you're alive today.
Otherwise the other part of that, Sheriff. Now, I'm trying
to envision what might have happened on scene, and I'll
let you fill in the blanks, But it appears there
was some local, maybe a good samaritan who was a doctor,
that wanted to administer aid to her. My thought is
(32:57):
that law enforcement doesn't necessarily know whether or not that
person is credentialed as a doctor, so they might not
let that person onto what is now an active scene
to be investigated. Take us from there in your analysis
and why an ice agent, a police officer might stop
a doctor from administering aid in that situation.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Well, I mean, obviously, you have an incident that is
unfolding very quickly. You have no idea how the crowd's
going to react. You do have an active crime scene,
and you again, you know, this is already a ten
situation where you know, this lady has been shot, she
sped away and crashed into another vehicle. Whether she was
still alive at the time, you know, who knows. But
(33:38):
I think the Ice agents are making split second decisions
and being armshare quarterbacked. After the fact. They have to
make sure that the scene is safe before they let
anyone in, whether that's a doctor or an ambulance or
anything else. I mean, they wouldn't have flagged ambulances to
come in and render aid either if they had been
taken over by the crowd. So you know, again easy
(34:00):
to watch something after the fact and say, oh, they
should have done this, and they should have done that.
These are extremely difficult situations to deal with it, as
I can tell you from my own personal experience, and
after the fact, I'm sure these Ice officers are even
going to look and say, wow, I wish I'd have
done this a little different and done that a little different,
But nothing that they did, in my opinion, is illegal,
(34:23):
and nothing that they did was, you know, was detrimental
to this woman any more so than her own actions.
So it's an unfortunate event. It's sad that it ended
the way it did. But as you said, she played
a large role in her own death, and you know,
her engagement in this situation resulted in the outcome.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Talking about the Colorado native, thirty seven year old Renee
Good shot and killed by an Ice agent yesterday in Minneapolis, Minnesota,
and protests are ongoing right now in real time as
we have this conversation with Weld County Sheriff Steve Reames.
One final note, Sheriff, we've been profiled the participants in
the Republican governor candidate forum coming up this Saturday at
(35:06):
the Double Tree by Hilton Greeley at Lincoln Park. It'll
be from one thirty pm to three thirty pm. Yours truly,
Mandy Connell of KOA will be co moderating this. You
will be seeing the event hosted by Steve Wells and
Wells Ranch. I'm looking online says there's a few tickets left.
Give us the very latest on this and if people
are interested in attending, what they.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Should do sure well. Initially we had capped the seating
at three hundred, but because we had so many people
that were acquiring tickets, we decided to add some seating,
so we've increased that up to four hundred and we're
getting pretty close to being done with tickets. There's still
a few available. If people are interested in attending the debate,
which I hope they do, you can go to my
(35:47):
Facebook page, your social media pages and just click on
the link for the debate. We didn't develop a website
for this because it was kind of a quick idea
to put it all together, but you still can get
some tickets and we encourage people to come engage. This
is the best way to know who your candidates are.
We have three really good ones with Barb Kirkmeyer, Jason
Michel and Scott Bottoms, and I think it's going to
(36:07):
be I think it's going to be a good time
and we'll let him mix it up a little bit.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Definitely looking forward to that, and I'll be meeting with
the sheriff and Mandy immediately following today's program. Reams for
Weld Commissioner on Facebook is where you can find out
more about the event and of course his campaign to
become Weld Commissioners. He retires out of his position as
the Sheriff of Weld County. Steve great Stuff is always
thank you so much for your time today
Speaker 3 (36:30):
You bet Ryan, thanks for having me on
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