February 25, 2025 • 35 mins
Allison Browner, a private investigator and paralegal volunteering her time and joining forces with JeffCo Kids First, joins Dan with the scoop on a timeline established by the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office on the Columbine High School grooming scandal involving former social studies teacher Leann Kearney.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
The fight has just begun. Glad you are here.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Three or three someone three A two five five The
number text d an five seven seven three nine, And
that applies to a lot of different things, but let's
start with what may be what may turn out to
be one of the worst scandals in the history of
public education in Colorado. This story is still unfolding, and
(00:37):
we'll have some updates for you today, but we're talking
about I mean, it's now national news. Here's a headline
from the New York Post perv teacher groomed my daughter
in class and then stole her away and woke school
officials helped her.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Mother says.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
That's the New York Post story, talking about what we've
been talking about a lot at Columbine High School. Listen,
I'm a big fan of Columbine in so many different ways.
But if this story is true, if everything here that
is alleged to have happened, happened at this point, it
has to shake people in Colorado to their core, and
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it has to shake confidence in officials at multiple levels.
Right because listen to this story and we're going to
have our own guests on this today. This is out
of the New York Post. The mother of a Colorado
teen who was allegedly seduced by her teacher says woke
school policies allowed school officials to ignore red flags and
help the teacher to groom her vulnerable daughter for years.
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Investigations by cops in the school allegedly and Kearney thirty
seven engaged in a systematic campaign to alienate the girl
from her parents and use school administrators to help the
principles and others at Columbine High School in Jefferson County, Colorado.
We're all too happy for Kearnie have control of the
girl under the guy of helping her quote navigate her sexuality.
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The mother alleges quote, this was years of grooming. Then
she took her. The mom said, she took my kid.
A quick note before I continue the New York Post
version of the story. The courageous mother who is speaking
out on this now to try to alert everybody to
what happened and continues to fight to get her daughter back.
(02:28):
Is going to join us in studio next Monday, So
she will be with me in studio next Monday. I
continue now at the New York Post piece. As for
while officials kept the girl's parents in the dark about
this situation, the state's policies meant to protect transgender students
drove a rift between parents of all kinds of kids
and educators, say Lindsey dot Cow of advocacy group Jeffco
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Colorado Kids. First quote, transgender equal Opportunity policy before we
fought two years to change it, said to leave parents
out of the transition process. If students said that's what
they wanted. Debt Go explained, it instilled a culture of secrecy.
The story continues. On February fourteenth, the principal apologized to
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families and staff after public records revealed how now disgraced
social studies teacher Kearney duped officials into helping her prey
on an underage student. Quote, this horrible situation will haunt
me for the rest of my life. I am deeply
sorry for the pain this family has experienced, Principal Christie
said in a letter. The school has since updated its
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policies on child safety, and staff will receive additional training
on how to prevent a similar situation from happening again.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
The letter said.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
The apology came nearly a year after the ex teacher
allegedly ran off to Oregon with her student the moment
the girl turned eighteen with no criminal charges, even though
state officials found she had roomed the teen four years
quick break here, How could there be no criminal charges
if that's what the state found? And we'll get into
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some more of those details with the guest and studio
at four thirty six. I think there are a lot
of officials in Colorado on multiple levels who have a
lot of explaining to do, and I think probably some
action to be taken.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Alrighty.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
The story goes on to say, quote, she was fifteen
when she was in Kearney's class. The girl's mother, who
asked that neither she nor her daughter be named, told
the Post, so think about this fifteen year old daughter
in Kearney's class when all of this starts. Then listen
to what happened. Post goes on to report, since the
teen entered Kearney's class as a sophomore in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
The two exchanged twenty.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Four thousand text messages twenty four thousand, spent dozens of
hours on the phone, met in secret, and, according to
a note written by the he even kissed while the
girl was under age, according to investigations by the Jefferson
County Sheriff's Office and school district that were reviewed by
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the Post. And then it goes on to talk about
how Kearney got the girl a job at her Planet
Fitness gym, let her use her pickup truck. At one point,
Kearney's girlfriend dumped her, and she told investigators Kearney's relationship
with their young student was a point of contention. Think
about this, Think about those twenty four thousand texts with
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this young student. The mother claims Kearney pushed her daughter
to submit a fraudulent application for federal homeless youth status,
which would allow her to move out of the house
and away from the watchful eye of her parents. And
by the way, is you'll hear in more detail at
four thirty six. By all accounts, this is an outstanding family,
an outstanding family with a great home life, tremendous support,
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and you had people at this school, according to this story,
who were working together to have this child from this
very solid family declared homeless. This child with great grades,
who was great in sports, has his great.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Family and home.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
You got people in official capacities at the school working
to have this child declared homeless so she could be
legally taken from the home and put into the home of.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Whom met the school. Well, we'll get to that.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Kearney began asking colleagues about the application process when her
alleged future lover was only fifteen years old. Records show
Kearney and her victim recruited her guidance counselor, the principal
and another teacher for help, telling them the teen was
in a dangerous abuse of home and didn't feel safe
staying with her parents, But the staff never contacted her
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parents themselves, never checked her story out, not even with
the younger brother who went to the same school and
had the same guidance counselor. Reach for comment the school
or for the post to its open letter apologizing about
the case. Reminds me of something I heard growing up.
It's too late to be sorry, right, the principal said,
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he notified school authorities, and that Kearney was on military
deployment at the time and never returned to the school.
And then the story goes on from there, so there's
another paragraph in here. Finally, the mom brought the matter
before Principal Christy. The mom said, Christy dismissed the red flags,
claiming that Kearnie simply took a special interest in quote,
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helping kids navigate their sexuality. How could this happen? How
could this happen anywhere? How could this happen in Colorado?
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I'll have some more detail, including a lot of quotes
from the Sheriff's office report at four point thirty six,
anxious to get your take on it. And then of
course the mother and there are some As you hear
more about the story, you'll getting more angry, if that's possible,
but just heartbreak in details of what this family went
through as all of this unfolded at Columbine, And we'll
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get into that more at four thirty six. And then
I want to get your take and text me d
A N five seven seven three nine, what do you
want to see happen here? Who do you want to
hear from? I want to hear from the DA. I
want to hear from the DA in Jefferson County what's
happened here? And why does it appear to be nothing?
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Is there more happening than we can see? Certainly want
to hear more from Columbine. And again, I have tremendous
respect for Columbine and many of the people there. But
how in the world could this possibly happen? You know,
this maya culpo. This will haunt me forever.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Guess what. It's gonna haunt the mother.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
It's gonna haunt this child a lot more than it's
gonna haunt you, mister principal. So we need more than that.
What we need all the details. You need the truth, right,
It's the truth. Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant. We need
the old truth. Everybody involved. How this could have happened?
So it could never happen again? And by the way, Ryan,
as we go to this break, where's Colorado's quote?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Progressive Attorney General Phil Wiser? Where is he?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
And this goes back to something I've been talking about
for years on air, which is, wait a second, we
have a crisis. For years in Colorado, we have had
a crisis of teacher sex assault, of students. That's no
reflection on teachers in general. You know, the vast, vast
majority of teachers are fantastic, but it's still a crisis
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because of the numbers. And where's the governor? Where's the
attorney general? They're nowhere and you know why because they're
in bed with the teachers' union. So you think they
care about these kids.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Of course they don't, or they would have been all
over this years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
How often now do you, you know, read online or
pick up a paper or listen to the news and
you hear about a teacher sexually assault student. That should
be a five alarmed fire in coloradoa a major crisis,
but no, the elected Democrats are in bed with the
teachers' unions. So nothing to see here, right, Yeah, there's
a lot to see here. We need to make sure
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people see it all. You're on the Dankpla.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Show and now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
How do you take any apology seriously? We're talking about this,
this horror, this horrible situation at Columbine recently. How do
you take any apologies seriously when everybody still has their job?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
If I understand the story correctly and We'll have a guest,
Allison Browner at four thirty six, who has spent a
lot of time investigating this, and we'll check these facts
with her. But I can't put any stock whatsoever in
any of these apologies if these people still have their jobs.
And I'm not a guy who runs around on air
calling for people's heads. And we're all human, right, we
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all make mistakes, we all want more mercy than justice
for ourselves.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
But there are some lines that just can't be cross.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
And as this story about Columbine emerges, and we'll have
the mother of the child on with us next Monday
in studio, how do these people still have jobs?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And where is the DA?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Where's the DA for the first Judicial District Jefferson County
where Columbine's located. You know, we really need to hear
from the DA. And I understand the DA's a Democrat.
I've heard some good things about the DA from das
that I trust. But wait a second, where's the DA
on this? And you've got to be extraordinarily suspicious listen
to this text? Then, okay, the principal says the staff
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will now have additional training. Why does this principal and
staff members involved still have a job, and then another
one Dan My explanation of why no criminal charges it
may be as simple as Jeff goo Da Alexis King
is a diehard dem that from Steven Littleton, Well listen
to people of this state need to wake up. And
that is I understand we have our policy differences. I'm
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a Republican, they're Democrats all that. But but wait a second,
there is no doubt the Democratic Party in Colorado is
in bed with the teachers union in every possible way.
I'm not talking about literally, but but is there any
other explanation for why Polis and the so called Attorney
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General Phil Wiser have been so hands off this crisis.
There's obviously a crisis in Colorado with teachers sexually abusing students.
It's no reflection on teachers in general. It's still a crisis.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
You see, how.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Often do you open the paper and see it? And
yet the Democrats absolute crickets, right? Why Because the teachers'
union that's their cash cow, that's their sacred cow. Right, So, teacher,
you know the Democrats are in bed with the teachers' union,
so teachers can be in bed with students.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
That's not the way it's supposed to work.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Eight five five for zero five A two five five
text d an five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I understand you see some of these arrests, right, But
for every arrest that you see, how many how many
victims are there who never make it to law enforcement?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
It never makes it that far.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
It is a crisis in Colorado and the Democrats have
turned their back on it because the teachers unions their ally.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
That is sick. Let's get to some text and calls.
I understand our own Alexa is on the phone lines.
That's always a great pleasure. Alexa. How you doing.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Fifty? How are you boy?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I'm just you know, I'm furious as a parent. My
kids are beyond that age right now. But when our guest,
Ellison Browner comes on at four thirty six and we
talk about what the parents, that this solid loving family,
what they experienced as they're estranged from their daughter, that
this teacher sending the daughter twenty thousand texts, and then
the parents have to sit there and watch from a
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distance at graduation because all of this garbage going on
at the school has has caused the daughter to become
a strange from them.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I mean, it's just heartbreaking, it's beyond horrific. And this really,
I mean, the principle, the counselors, and my understanding from
that story is the they had a son that also
had the same guidance counselor. They never reached out to
the sun to ask how his household was. It's just repulsive.
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But even worse, I mean, definitely there's a risk they
may or may never have a relationship with their daughter again.
But this young girl has been set up for relationship
failure for the rest of her life, and without a
ton of counseling, she's going to continue to be in
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abusive relationships from my understanding of what happens in these scenarios,
and an apology doesn't that doesn't even scratch the circles
the neglect from the principle and the counselors and other
people who were involved in this.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It's sick. Yeah, well said Alexa.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
No, I appreciate that, and I really looking forward to
the mother of this child being with us in studio
next Monday, So look forward to that conversation very much.
Thank you, Alexa, thank you. It really is and as
Alexi said, I mean, can you imagine this, So you
now have inside the school at the official level, people
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working on a form to declare this student homeless, who
has a very supportive, loving home, successful student, successful athlete.
They're going to declare her homeless so she can move
in with a teacher.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Think about that.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
If that wasn't a novel, you'd throw the thing in
the trashing that. That's just impossible. How could this be
happening at Columbi? And then again you come back to
the obvious political overlay. Would it have been the same? Hey,
sexual abuse of a child? It is abuse of a child.
And I understand nobody's been charged criminally here, but that's
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another big issue, right because, as you're going to hear
at four thirty six, the shaff supports detail over twenty
thousand texts between this teacher and the student. Somebody's got
to explain why there haven't been criminal charges brought. Again,
innocent until proven guilty, but the evidence is over twenty
thousand texts. The child turns eighteen, and you'll hear at
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four thirty six from our guest. I mean, imagine how
heartbreaking for the parents and then the child. What the child,
as Alexis had must be going through the child comes
home for her birthday, as I understand the timeline, just
before graduation, comes home as a birthday dinner, and then
just leaves from there, never comes back, estranged from the parents.
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Parents have to watch from a distance at graduation, and
then the child as soon as she turns eighteen, takes
off and moves in with this teacher. Yeah, so we'll
get a lot more detail at four thirty six. But
I sure hope that people of the state, this is
not a political issue. This is a cross party lines,
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has nothing to do with left or right. It's just
right or wrong. The DA has to step up fulfill
her public responsibility to explain to the public why there
have not been any criminal charges brought here. The school
needs to step up and explain why all these people
have jobs. And does one person on the face of
this earth believe that if that had been a female
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student receiving twenty thousand texts from male teacher, that it
would have been handled the same way. And the suspicion
that this is just this crazy left woke garbage run amock,
it sure seems sure seems like that's what it is
to me. But hey, we just want all the facts
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on the table right and then take it from there.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Ryan, can you try to get the da on the show.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I thought you knew her personally. No, No, I've missed George.
I know people who know her and have said some
good things about her.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
I'll have Kelly reach out to George and see what
he can do for us.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
I have had some other concerns about her in other cases,
but she needs she has a public responsibility, whether it's
on this show or somewhere else, to step up. And
the public needs to put the heat on here respectfully, professionally,
but put the heat on. The public deserves answers. Lord
knows that the mother and father do. Glad you're here
on the Dan Caplass Show.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
You're listening to The Dan Capliss Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Her next guest Ellison Barrowner and Ellison has been doing
some heavy research into one of the most disturbing stories
in years here in Colorado. The headline in the New
York Post this was years of grooming. Then she took
her A Colorado woman talking about her fifteen year old
daughter being groomed by a teacher at Columbine and people
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inside the school getting together to have the child who
was from a great home, declared homeless so she could
move in with a teacher. It's unimaginable, right, but you'll
love the facts. Allison Browner, Welcome to the dan KAPLISHO appreciate.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
You being here.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Thanks for having me Dan Well.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Thanks Allison, and I have your report in front of me.
I've read it all, but please give folks a little
bit of background. Tell folks about yourself and why you
became interested in this, and then what it caused you
to do.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
So, my family had our own issue with inappropriate behavior
and a jeff Co teacher. It happened this year with
my son who's a senior at one of the high schools,
and it led me to get connected to Lindsay Datko
with jeff Co Kids First, and I started to do
a little research, thinking that our incident was just isolated,
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because that's how the district tries to make you think
as a parent that this isn't isolated in incident.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
And it turned out it was by no means an
isolated incident.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
And sadly, our incident was minor in comparison to what
I've uncovered in this situation and what jeff Co Kids
First has been able to uncover in this and many
other situations.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Well, it is amazing to me what Lindsay Deadco and
Jeff Co Kids First are able to do on multiple
issues across years. I've seen very few grassroots organization of
that kind of success. But before we go down that road, Allison,
and I know you don't want to get into the
details of your own situation, but just one question, and
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it's obviously equally horrific. Whether it's same sex or opposite sex,
it's all wrong, it's all illegal. None of it should
be tolerated. But obviously, in the case we're about to
talk about, it was a female teacher, you know, grooming
a female student. In your case, was it same sex
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or opposite sex abuse?
Speaker 7 (21:00):
So in our case, our son reported to us that
his teacher on the official class Instagram account was following
some very as my son described it, gross things and
we should look at it. And when my husband and
I looked at it, we discovered that the teacher was
following OnlyFans accounts, multiple of them, and those led kids
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including my son, directly out to pornography.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Oh my lord, what in the world.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Well, Allison, I appreciate the work you've done on this,
and now do I understand correctly?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Did you use to be a private investigator?
Speaker 7 (21:40):
I did so when private investigations excuse me, when private
investigators were licensed in Colorado. They've gotten rid of that,
Governor Polus got rid of the licensing for private investigators.
But when they were licensed, I was a licensed private investigator.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Because as I look at your report, I see a
lot of skill there. But if you would, can you
just give people an overview of the timeline of what
happened to Columbine from your point of view and your
basis for it, which appears to be it looks like
largely based on law enforcement reports, but some other sources
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as well.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
That's correct.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
So most of what I found was based on the
Jeffco Sheriff's Office report. And what I discovered was that
this minor child, this all began when she was a
fifteen year old student at Columbine and she was in
the teacher's class, and that teacher started talking to a
speech pathologist about how to declare a student homeless and
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who to contact, because evidently that speech pathologist had.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Done that in the past, had declared a child who
was not homeless homeless.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
We're not sure the exact details of that, but she
did help a child, a minor child, declare themselves homeless
and then ended up taking that child in with her.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
That is what our understanding is from the Jeff Coo
Sheriff's report.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
But in this case, we're talking about a teacher contacting
this speech pathologist about a fifteen year old who does
have a home with two parents and a brother in
the school. And the student is is I think almost
a four zero student, right, what a successful athlete? Yeah?
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Four points four point six Yeah, and a successful athlete
right correct?
Speaker 6 (23:32):
She was a state swimmer for four years.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Well at that point, shouldn't every alarm bell, every red
flag ever stitched get flown at that point?
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Well you would think so.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
You know.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
The mom was also part of the school accountability committees
at Columbine, the sack committees.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
So this was a well known family.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
So it is mind boggling that nobody wants they were
so concerned about this child's welfare that they thought that
they should start forms declaring her homeless. Why did they
not contact the family, And if they didn't feel comfortable
contacting the family, why didn't they call child Protective Service.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Well exactly isn't there? And I don't know the answer
to this question. I'd like to ask the DA if
she'll come on, But is there an obligation to do
that if you think a child is in that kind
of jeopardy?
Speaker 7 (24:24):
Yes, these were all mandatory reporters according to the State
of Colorado.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
So what's really going on here?
Speaker 6 (24:32):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, yeah, And I think everybody in authority needs to
answer it, and they need to answer it in official forums,
and then the officials need to answer to the public. So, okay,
we start this timeline the child's fifteen. The teacher reaches
out to a speech pathologist to try to start the
process to have this child, who has a home, declared
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homeless so she can be moved in with the speech pathologist.
Where does it go from there?
Speaker 7 (25:01):
So then sometime goes by where the teacher spends time,
as the Jeffco Sheriff's report indicates, as does the jeff
Co Schools report. All their investigation reports show that this
teacher spent a lot of time grooming this child, and
she recommended her for a job at her gym, and
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the parents actually went and interviewed the gym owner, because
they're those kinds of parents that are going to check
on everything with their kid. And so they went and
interviewed the gym owner and it didn't stick out as
funny to them that this teacher would recommend their four point.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Six gpa student two for a job.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
And so then she just continued with this grooming for
multiple years. And what did the grooming consist of, Well,
as far as we know, again, there's still a lot
of investigation to be done as far as that goes.
But what we know was there was obviously a lot
of text messages, a lot of communications.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
That were going back and forth.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
We now understand that the student spent a lot of
time in this teacher's classroom. She later became a TA
in this teachers classroom. So there was some red flags
at the school that people might have picked up.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
On, but again they should be trained for that.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Well, but if I read your report correctly and the
underlying Sheriff's office report, there were more than twenty thousand
text messages between this teacher and this young student.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Do you need any more than that?
Speaker 6 (26:42):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
And then what else, I mean, we've heard about other evidence,
and I'm not suggesting through the question that any more
is necessary. I mean, as I understand it, you've got
this teacher requesting to start the process to have this
student she's exchanged more than twenty thousand text messages with
declared homeless, so the student can then be moved into
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another teacher's home.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Right, that's correct? Yeah, you know, what more do you need?
But there is more? Right?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I mean, my understanding is that the mother of the
child who will join us next Monday on the show,
then also found something under a bed.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
She did so she happened to find out. Now, keep
in mind, this happened well after the school principal and
several different adults were in talks with each other and
reporting back and forth to each other about this child's
suppose it difficult and potentially abusive home life. So while
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this was all going on behind the parents back, the mother,
by happenstance, finds paperwork that has been signed by a
Jeff Coo school official that is declared her daughter home.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Oh my lord, oh my lord.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Let's go to break on that one for a second, okay,
because I want that to sync in with folks. A
Jeffco's school official has now signed a form to have
their young daughter declared homeless, who comes from this great
supportive home with the brother in the school, and the
school has never even talked to the parents before doing that,
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even though the mom's involved at the school, right right, Well,
let's ponder what's really going on here. At that point,
we'll come back pick it up. There, you're on the
Dankaplas Show.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
And my brief time on Airgon on thirty years one
of the most disturbing stories I've heard her seen in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Allison Browner is with us.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
To dive into more detail. The mother of the child
from Columbine was fifteen when this female teacher started going
after twenty thousand teens, more than twenty thousand techts later,
and the school. As we went to break, Allison was
telling us, based upon her review of sheriff's reports and
other documents, that the school, somebody at the school in
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an official capacity, then executes a form to have this
young girl declared homeless so she can be moved in
with another teacher, even though she's from a very solid, supportive,
successful home. So let's pick it up from there, Alison
Browner kind enough to join us, And I've reviewed the
reports you've prepared on this. So who was it at
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the school who signed a form to declare this child
with this very solid, stable, wonderful home homeless.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
So every school district has a what they call a
McKenny vento liaison, and that is somebody who is trained
and is responsible for gathering information and doing due diligence
on these cases to determine if somebody, if a minor
child does in fact qualify as an unaccompanied homeless youth.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
And so in this case, it was a.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Liaison with jeff Copublic Schools that signed a form on
April fourteenth. Now keep in mind the child is still
a minor child living at home at this time. And
this liaison also checked the box that this minor child
became an unaccompanied homeless youth after July one, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Oh my lord, Oh my lord.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
And at this point, has that person been prosecuted, has
that person been fired? Is any official action taken there?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Not?
Speaker 7 (30:41):
To our knowledge, I believe she still works in jeff
Co Public Schools.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Why another good question, have.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
You been able to find Alison in any of your research,
any explanation that person offered trying to justify that without
is Alison establish earlier ever even calling the parents.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
No, we have not found any evidence to explain what
was going on other than complete and utter failure of
multiple professional employees with Jefferson County Public Schools.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Right, But the why piece of this, why did they
do all these things? Obviously it's a failure, but why,
what was behind it?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
What was the motive?
Speaker 7 (31:29):
Well, you know, it's hard to speak to motive, as
you know, but what we do, what we would like
to know is did the school district financially benefit from
declaring the student homeless? Because they obviously receive funds we
don't know if they're state, federal, or both, but they
receive funds for students that are declared homeless to help
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the district provide that student education. So now keep in
mind in this case, this family paid almost seven hundred
dollars in fees in the twenty twenty one twenty twenty
two school year, and you would think that that would
be a hint to the liaison when they pull the
record that wait a minute, what's going on here? This
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family's paying fees and yet the counselor saying she should
be declared homeless.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Again, no one did that though.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Well, at the same time that you have a female
teacher exchanging more than twenty thousand texts with the students.
And if I recall and correct me on this, but
if I recall the timeline correctly, wasn't the female teacher
involved in the process of trying to have this student
who had a home declared homeless?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (32:39):
Yes, she was definitely involved, and she was speaking to
the speech pathologist, which again we have questions as to
why a speech pathologist was involved because you have a
four point six student that is counseling this you have
a speech pathologist that's.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
Counseling a four point six GPA student.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
This student never needed speech therapy, so why was this
speech pathologist involved at all? But we know that Kearnie
talked to that speech pathologist multiple times about how to
get a child declared homeless, and so Kearnie was absolutely involved.
But what we want to emphasize is that Kearnie was
not the only one involved, because what the school district
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seems to be doing is sort of, you know, wiping
their hands of it, saying, oh, you know, Kearnie's gone.
She can no longer work in the state of Colorado.
So the problem's taken care of, But the problem's not
taken care of.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
No.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
All the people who allowed all of this to happen,
and we're part of it happening, are still there.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Right. Did anybody get fired, Did anybody get prosecuted?
Speaker 6 (33:41):
No one, no one.
Speaker 7 (33:43):
And in fact, if you do a public check of
all of their licenses, none of them have a knock
against their license. So to our knowledge, none of them
received a suspension, a demotion. They're all still employed with
JEFCO Public schools, with the exception of the speech pathologist
who is now working in private practice.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Oh my lord.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
And then what I'd like to do, if you can
stay for another segment, Ellison, is I'd like to then
get into what happens when the parents then come to
meet with the principal, and then what happens after that,
because for anybody listening who has children, it's just one
of the most heartbreaking pictures you can imagine, and it
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should be enough to motivate everybody to do everything you
can through the system, contact you're elected, everythings, and put
every bit of appropriate, respectful pressure you can through the
system on people. To get to the bottom of this,
we've got to hear from the DA of the Jefferson
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County DA, We've got to hear from everybody at every level,
and somebody's got to explain how all these people still
have jobs.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
That seems inconceivable to me. But Alison Browner is with us.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
She's done a lot of investigation on this. She'll join
us again for a more more segment after the break.
We have some other news then we'll be talking about
as well, including President Trump now intending to offer five
million dollar green cards to wealthy people to come to America.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Get your take on that.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
But this very important story will continue to drill down,
and the mother of the child will be with us
in the studio.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
The fight has just begun. Glad you are here.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Three or three someone three A two five five The
number text d an five seven seven three nine, And
that applies to a lot of different things, but let's
start with what may be what may turn out to
be one of the worst scandals in the history of
public education in Colorado. This story is still unfolding, and
(00:37):
we'll have some updates for you today, but we're talking
about I mean, it's now national news. Here's a headline
from the New York Post perv teacher groomed my daughter
in class and then stole her away and woke school
officials helped her.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Mother says.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
That's the New York Post story, talking about what we've
been talking about a lot at Columbine High School. Listen,
I'm a big fan of Columbine in so many different ways.
But if this story is true, if everything here that
is alleged to have happened, happened at this point, it
has to shake people in Colorado to their core, and
(01:15):
it has to shake confidence in officials at multiple levels.
Right because listen to this story and we're going to
have our own guests on this today. This is out
of the New York Post. The mother of a Colorado
teen who was allegedly seduced by her teacher says woke
school policies allowed school officials to ignore red flags and
help the teacher to groom her vulnerable daughter for years.
(01:39):
Investigations by cops in the school allegedly and Kearney thirty
seven engaged in a systematic campaign to alienate the girl
from her parents and use school administrators to help the
principles and others at Columbine High School in Jefferson County, Colorado.
We're all too happy for Kearnie have control of the
girl under the guy of helping her quote navigate her sexuality.
(02:03):
The mother alleges quote, this was years of grooming. Then
she took her. The mom said, she took my kid.
A quick note before I continue the New York Post
version of the story. The courageous mother who is speaking
out on this now to try to alert everybody to
what happened and continues to fight to get her daughter back.
(02:28):
Is going to join us in studio next Monday, So
she will be with me in studio next Monday. I
continue now at the New York Post piece. As for
while officials kept the girl's parents in the dark about
this situation, the state's policies meant to protect transgender students
drove a rift between parents of all kinds of kids
and educators, say Lindsey dot Cow of advocacy group Jeffco
(02:52):
Colorado Kids. First quote, transgender equal Opportunity policy before we
fought two years to change it, said to leave parents
out of the transition process. If students said that's what
they wanted. Debt Go explained, it instilled a culture of secrecy.
The story continues. On February fourteenth, the principal apologized to
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families and staff after public records revealed how now disgraced
social studies teacher Kearney duped officials into helping her prey
on an underage student. Quote, this horrible situation will haunt
me for the rest of my life. I am deeply
sorry for the pain this family has experienced, Principal Christie
said in a letter. The school has since updated its
(03:37):
policies on child safety, and staff will receive additional training
on how to prevent a similar situation from happening again.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
The letter said.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
The apology came nearly a year after the ex teacher
allegedly ran off to Oregon with her student the moment
the girl turned eighteen with no criminal charges, even though
state officials found she had roomed the teen four years
quick break here, How could there be no criminal charges
if that's what the state found? And we'll get into
(04:08):
some more of those details with the guest and studio
at four thirty six. I think there are a lot
of officials in Colorado on multiple levels who have a
lot of explaining to do, and I think probably some
action to be taken.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Alrighty.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
The story goes on to say, quote, she was fifteen
when she was in Kearney's class. The girl's mother, who
asked that neither she nor her daughter be named, told
the Post, so think about this fifteen year old daughter
in Kearney's class when all of this starts. Then listen
to what happened. Post goes on to report, since the
teen entered Kearney's class as a sophomore in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
The two exchanged twenty.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Four thousand text messages twenty four thousand, spent dozens of
hours on the phone, met in secret, and, according to
a note written by the he even kissed while the
girl was under age, according to investigations by the Jefferson
County Sheriff's Office and school district that were reviewed by
(05:10):
the Post. And then it goes on to talk about
how Kearney got the girl a job at her Planet
Fitness gym, let her use her pickup truck. At one point,
Kearney's girlfriend dumped her, and she told investigators Kearney's relationship
with their young student was a point of contention. Think
about this, Think about those twenty four thousand texts with
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this young student. The mother claims Kearney pushed her daughter
to submit a fraudulent application for federal homeless youth status,
which would allow her to move out of the house
and away from the watchful eye of her parents. And
by the way, is you'll hear in more detail at
four thirty six. By all accounts, this is an outstanding family,
an outstanding family with a great home life, tremendous support,
(05:55):
and you had people at this school, according to this story,
who were working together to have this child from this
very solid family declared homeless. This child with great grades,
who was great in sports, has his great.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Family and home.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
You got people in official capacities at the school working
to have this child declared homeless so she could be
legally taken from the home and put into the home of.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Whom met the school. Well, we'll get to that.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Kearney began asking colleagues about the application process when her
alleged future lover was only fifteen years old. Records show
Kearney and her victim recruited her guidance counselor, the principal
and another teacher for help, telling them the teen was
in a dangerous abuse of home and didn't feel safe
staying with her parents, But the staff never contacted her
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parents themselves, never checked her story out, not even with
the younger brother who went to the same school and
had the same guidance counselor. Reach for comment the school
or for the post to its open letter apologizing about
the case. Reminds me of something I heard growing up.
It's too late to be sorry, right, the principal said,
(07:11):
he notified school authorities, and that Kearney was on military
deployment at the time and never returned to the school.
And then the story goes on from there, so there's
another paragraph in here. Finally, the mom brought the matter
before Principal Christy. The mom said, Christy dismissed the red flags,
claiming that Kearnie simply took a special interest in quote,
(07:32):
helping kids navigate their sexuality. How could this happen? How
could this happen anywhere? How could this happen in Colorado?
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I'll have some more detail, including a lot of quotes
from the Sheriff's office report at four point thirty six,
anxious to get your take on it. And then of
course the mother and there are some As you hear
more about the story, you'll getting more angry, if that's possible,
but just heartbreak in details of what this family went
through as all of this unfolded at Columbine, And we'll
(08:06):
get into that more at four thirty six. And then
I want to get your take and text me d
A N five seven seven three nine, what do you
want to see happen here? Who do you want to
hear from? I want to hear from the DA. I
want to hear from the DA in Jefferson County what's
happened here? And why does it appear to be nothing?
(08:29):
Is there more happening than we can see? Certainly want
to hear more from Columbine. And again, I have tremendous
respect for Columbine and many of the people there. But
how in the world could this possibly happen? You know,
this maya culpo. This will haunt me forever.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Guess what. It's gonna haunt the mother.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
It's gonna haunt this child a lot more than it's
gonna haunt you, mister principal. So we need more than that.
What we need all the details. You need the truth, right,
It's the truth. Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant. We need
the old truth. Everybody involved. How this could have happened?
So it could never happen again? And by the way, Ryan,
as we go to this break, where's Colorado's quote?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Progressive Attorney General Phil Wiser? Where is he?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
And this goes back to something I've been talking about
for years on air, which is, wait a second, we
have a crisis. For years in Colorado, we have had
a crisis of teacher sex assault, of students. That's no
reflection on teachers in general. You know, the vast, vast
majority of teachers are fantastic, but it's still a crisis
(09:33):
because of the numbers. And where's the governor? Where's the
attorney general? They're nowhere and you know why because they're
in bed with the teachers' union. So you think they
care about these kids.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Of course they don't, or they would have been all
over this years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
How often now do you, you know, read online or
pick up a paper or listen to the news and
you hear about a teacher sexually assault student. That should
be a five alarmed fire in coloradoa a major crisis,
but no, the elected Democrats are in bed with the
teachers' unions. So nothing to see here, right, Yeah, there's
a lot to see here. We need to make sure
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people see it all. You're on the Dankpla.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Show and now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
How do you take any apology seriously? We're talking about this,
this horror, this horrible situation at Columbine recently. How do
you take any apologies seriously when everybody still has their job?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
If I understand the story correctly and We'll have a guest,
Allison Browner at four thirty six, who has spent a
lot of time investigating this, and we'll check these facts
with her. But I can't put any stock whatsoever in
any of these apologies if these people still have their jobs.
And I'm not a guy who runs around on air
calling for people's heads. And we're all human, right, we
(10:51):
all make mistakes, we all want more mercy than justice
for ourselves.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
But there are some lines that just can't be cross.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
And as this story about Columbine emerges, and we'll have
the mother of the child on with us next Monday
in studio, how do these people still have jobs?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And where is the DA?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Where's the DA for the first Judicial District Jefferson County
where Columbine's located. You know, we really need to hear
from the DA. And I understand the DA's a Democrat.
I've heard some good things about the DA from das
that I trust. But wait a second, where's the DA
on this? And you've got to be extraordinarily suspicious listen
to this text? Then, okay, the principal says the staff
(11:35):
will now have additional training. Why does this principal and
staff members involved still have a job, and then another
one Dan My explanation of why no criminal charges it
may be as simple as Jeff goo Da Alexis King
is a diehard dem that from Steven Littleton, Well listen
to people of this state need to wake up. And
that is I understand we have our policy differences. I'm
(11:58):
a Republican, they're Democrats all that. But but wait a second,
there is no doubt the Democratic Party in Colorado is
in bed with the teachers union in every possible way.
I'm not talking about literally, but but is there any
other explanation for why Polis and the so called Attorney
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General Phil Wiser have been so hands off this crisis.
There's obviously a crisis in Colorado with teachers sexually abusing students.
It's no reflection on teachers in general. It's still a crisis.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
You see, how.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Often do you open the paper and see it? And
yet the Democrats absolute crickets, right? Why Because the teachers'
union that's their cash cow, that's their sacred cow. Right, So, teacher,
you know the Democrats are in bed with the teachers' union,
so teachers can be in bed with students.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
That's not the way it's supposed to work.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Eight five five for zero five A two five five
text d an five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I understand you see some of these arrests, right, But
for every arrest that you see, how many how many
victims are there who never make it to law enforcement?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
It never makes it that far.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
It is a crisis in Colorado and the Democrats have
turned their back on it because the teachers unions their ally.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
That is sick. Let's get to some text and calls.
I understand our own Alexa is on the phone lines.
That's always a great pleasure. Alexa. How you doing.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Fifty? How are you boy?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I'm just you know, I'm furious as a parent. My
kids are beyond that age right now. But when our guest,
Ellison Browner comes on at four thirty six and we
talk about what the parents, that this solid loving family,
what they experienced as they're estranged from their daughter, that
this teacher sending the daughter twenty thousand texts, and then
the parents have to sit there and watch from a
(13:52):
distance at graduation because all of this garbage going on
at the school has has caused the daughter to become
a strange from them.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I mean, it's just heartbreaking, it's beyond horrific. And this really,
I mean, the principle, the counselors, and my understanding from
that story is the they had a son that also
had the same guidance counselor. They never reached out to
the sun to ask how his household was. It's just repulsive.
(14:24):
But even worse, I mean, definitely there's a risk they
may or may never have a relationship with their daughter again.
But this young girl has been set up for relationship
failure for the rest of her life, and without a
ton of counseling, she's going to continue to be in
(14:45):
abusive relationships from my understanding of what happens in these scenarios,
and an apology doesn't that doesn't even scratch the circles
the neglect from the principle and the counselors and other
people who were involved in this.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It's sick. Yeah, well said Alexa.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
No, I appreciate that, and I really looking forward to
the mother of this child being with us in studio
next Monday, So look forward to that conversation very much.
Thank you, Alexa, thank you. It really is and as
Alexi said, I mean, can you imagine this, So you
now have inside the school at the official level, people
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working on a form to declare this student homeless, who
has a very supportive, loving home, successful student, successful athlete.
They're going to declare her homeless so she can move
in with a teacher.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Think about that.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
If that wasn't a novel, you'd throw the thing in
the trashing that. That's just impossible. How could this be
happening at Columbi? And then again you come back to
the obvious political overlay. Would it have been the same? Hey,
sexual abuse of a child? It is abuse of a child.
And I understand nobody's been charged criminally here, but that's
(16:04):
another big issue, right because, as you're going to hear
at four thirty six, the shaff supports detail over twenty
thousand texts between this teacher and the student. Somebody's got
to explain why there haven't been criminal charges brought. Again,
innocent until proven guilty, but the evidence is over twenty
thousand texts. The child turns eighteen, and you'll hear at
(16:26):
four thirty six from our guest. I mean, imagine how
heartbreaking for the parents and then the child. What the child,
as Alexis had must be going through the child comes
home for her birthday, as I understand the timeline, just
before graduation, comes home as a birthday dinner, and then
just leaves from there, never comes back, estranged from the parents.
(16:48):
Parents have to watch from a distance at graduation, and
then the child as soon as she turns eighteen, takes
off and moves in with this teacher. Yeah, so we'll
get a lot more detail at four thirty six. But
I sure hope that people of the state, this is
not a political issue. This is a cross party lines,
(17:09):
has nothing to do with left or right. It's just
right or wrong. The DA has to step up fulfill
her public responsibility to explain to the public why there
have not been any criminal charges brought here. The school
needs to step up and explain why all these people
have jobs. And does one person on the face of
this earth believe that if that had been a female
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student receiving twenty thousand texts from male teacher, that it
would have been handled the same way. And the suspicion
that this is just this crazy left woke garbage run amock,
it sure seems sure seems like that's what it is
to me. But hey, we just want all the facts
(17:52):
on the table right and then take it from there.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Ryan, can you try to get the da on the show.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I thought you knew her personally. No, No, I've missed George.
I know people who know her and have said some
good things about her.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
I'll have Kelly reach out to George and see what
he can do for us.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
I have had some other concerns about her in other cases,
but she needs she has a public responsibility, whether it's
on this show or somewhere else, to step up. And
the public needs to put the heat on here respectfully, professionally,
but put the heat on. The public deserves answers. Lord
knows that the mother and father do. Glad you're here
on the Dan Caplass Show.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
You're listening to The Dan Capliss Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Her next guest Ellison Barrowner and Ellison has been doing
some heavy research into one of the most disturbing stories
in years here in Colorado. The headline in the New
York Post this was years of grooming. Then she took
her A Colorado woman talking about her fifteen year old
daughter being groomed by a teacher at Columbine and people
(19:00):
inside the school getting together to have the child who
was from a great home, declared homeless so she could
move in with a teacher. It's unimaginable, right, but you'll
love the facts. Allison Browner, Welcome to the dan KAPLISHO appreciate.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
You being here.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Thanks for having me Dan Well.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Thanks Allison, and I have your report in front of me.
I've read it all, but please give folks a little
bit of background. Tell folks about yourself and why you
became interested in this, and then what it caused you
to do.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
So, my family had our own issue with inappropriate behavior
and a jeff Co teacher. It happened this year with
my son who's a senior at one of the high schools,
and it led me to get connected to Lindsay Datko
with jeff Co Kids First, and I started to do
a little research, thinking that our incident was just isolated,
(19:55):
because that's how the district tries to make you think
as a parent that this isn't isolated in incident.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
And it turned out it was by no means an
isolated incident.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
And sadly, our incident was minor in comparison to what
I've uncovered in this situation and what jeff Co Kids
First has been able to uncover in this and many
other situations.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Well, it is amazing to me what Lindsay Deadco and
Jeff Co Kids First are able to do on multiple
issues across years. I've seen very few grassroots organization of
that kind of success. But before we go down that road, Allison,
and I know you don't want to get into the
details of your own situation, but just one question, and
(20:37):
it's obviously equally horrific. Whether it's same sex or opposite sex,
it's all wrong, it's all illegal. None of it should
be tolerated. But obviously, in the case we're about to
talk about, it was a female teacher, you know, grooming
a female student. In your case, was it same sex
(20:58):
or opposite sex abuse?
Speaker 7 (21:00):
So in our case, our son reported to us that
his teacher on the official class Instagram account was following
some very as my son described it, gross things and
we should look at it. And when my husband and
I looked at it, we discovered that the teacher was
following OnlyFans accounts, multiple of them, and those led kids
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including my son, directly out to pornography.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Oh my lord, what in the world.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Well, Allison, I appreciate the work you've done on this,
and now do I understand correctly?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Did you use to be a private investigator?
Speaker 7 (21:40):
I did so when private investigations excuse me, when private
investigators were licensed in Colorado. They've gotten rid of that,
Governor Polus got rid of the licensing for private investigators.
But when they were licensed, I was a licensed private investigator.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Because as I look at your report, I see a
lot of skill there. But if you would, can you
just give people an overview of the timeline of what
happened to Columbine from your point of view and your
basis for it, which appears to be it looks like
largely based on law enforcement reports, but some other sources
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as well.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
That's correct.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
So most of what I found was based on the
Jeffco Sheriff's Office report. And what I discovered was that
this minor child, this all began when she was a
fifteen year old student at Columbine and she was in
the teacher's class, and that teacher started talking to a
speech pathologist about how to declare a student homeless and
(22:41):
who to contact, because evidently that speech pathologist had.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Done that in the past, had declared a child who
was not homeless homeless.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
We're not sure the exact details of that, but she
did help a child, a minor child, declare themselves homeless
and then ended up taking that child in with her.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
That is what our understanding is from the Jeff Coo
Sheriff's report.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
But in this case, we're talking about a teacher contacting
this speech pathologist about a fifteen year old who does
have a home with two parents and a brother in
the school. And the student is is I think almost
a four zero student, right, what a successful athlete? Yeah?
(23:27):
Four points four point six Yeah, and a successful athlete
right correct?
Speaker 6 (23:32):
She was a state swimmer for four years.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Well at that point, shouldn't every alarm bell, every red
flag ever stitched get flown at that point?
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Well you would think so.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
You know.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
The mom was also part of the school accountability committees
at Columbine, the sack committees.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
So this was a well known family.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
So it is mind boggling that nobody wants they were
so concerned about this child's welfare that they thought that
they should start forms declaring her homeless. Why did they
not contact the family, And if they didn't feel comfortable
contacting the family, why didn't they call child Protective Service.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Well exactly isn't there? And I don't know the answer
to this question. I'd like to ask the DA if
she'll come on, But is there an obligation to do
that if you think a child is in that kind
of jeopardy?
Speaker 7 (24:24):
Yes, these were all mandatory reporters according to the State
of Colorado.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
So what's really going on here?
Speaker 6 (24:32):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, yeah, And I think everybody in authority needs to
answer it, and they need to answer it in official forums,
and then the officials need to answer to the public. So, okay,
we start this timeline the child's fifteen. The teacher reaches
out to a speech pathologist to try to start the
process to have this child, who has a home, declared
(24:55):
homeless so she can be moved in with the speech pathologist.
Where does it go from there?
Speaker 7 (25:01):
So then sometime goes by where the teacher spends time,
as the Jeffco Sheriff's report indicates, as does the jeff
Co Schools report. All their investigation reports show that this
teacher spent a lot of time grooming this child, and
she recommended her for a job at her gym, and
(25:22):
the parents actually went and interviewed the gym owner, because
they're those kinds of parents that are going to check
on everything with their kid. And so they went and
interviewed the gym owner and it didn't stick out as
funny to them that this teacher would recommend their four point.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Six gpa student two for a job.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
And so then she just continued with this grooming for
multiple years. And what did the grooming consist of, Well,
as far as we know, again, there's still a lot
of investigation to be done as far as that goes.
But what we know was there was obviously a lot
of text messages, a lot of communications.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
That were going back and forth.
Speaker 7 (26:06):
We now understand that the student spent a lot of
time in this teacher's classroom. She later became a TA
in this teachers classroom. So there was some red flags
at the school that people might have picked up.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
On, but again they should be trained for that.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Well, but if I read your report correctly and the
underlying Sheriff's office report, there were more than twenty thousand
text messages between this teacher and this young student.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Do you need any more than that?
Speaker 6 (26:42):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
And then what else, I mean, we've heard about other evidence,
and I'm not suggesting through the question that any more
is necessary. I mean, as I understand it, you've got
this teacher requesting to start the process to have this
student she's exchanged more than twenty thousand text messages with
declared homeless, so the student can then be moved into
(27:08):
another teacher's home.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Right, that's correct? Yeah, you know, what more do you need?
But there is more? Right?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I mean, my understanding is that the mother of the
child who will join us next Monday on the show,
then also found something under a bed.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
She did so she happened to find out. Now, keep
in mind, this happened well after the school principal and
several different adults were in talks with each other and
reporting back and forth to each other about this child's
suppose it difficult and potentially abusive home life. So while
(27:48):
this was all going on behind the parents back, the mother,
by happenstance, finds paperwork that has been signed by a
Jeff Coo school official that is declared her daughter home.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Oh my lord, oh my lord.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Let's go to break on that one for a second, okay,
because I want that to sync in with folks. A
Jeffco's school official has now signed a form to have
their young daughter declared homeless, who comes from this great
supportive home with the brother in the school, and the
school has never even talked to the parents before doing that,
(28:24):
even though the mom's involved at the school, right right, Well,
let's ponder what's really going on here. At that point,
we'll come back pick it up. There, you're on the
Dankaplas Show.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
And my brief time on Airgon on thirty years one
of the most disturbing stories I've heard her seen in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Allison Browner is with us.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
To dive into more detail. The mother of the child
from Columbine was fifteen when this female teacher started going
after twenty thousand teens, more than twenty thousand techts later,
and the school. As we went to break, Allison was
telling us, based upon her review of sheriff's reports and
other documents, that the school, somebody at the school in
(29:12):
an official capacity, then executes a form to have this
young girl declared homeless so she can be moved in
with another teacher, even though she's from a very solid, supportive,
successful home. So let's pick it up from there, Alison
Browner kind enough to join us, And I've reviewed the
reports you've prepared on this. So who was it at
(29:34):
the school who signed a form to declare this child
with this very solid, stable, wonderful home homeless.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
So every school district has a what they call a
McKenny vento liaison, and that is somebody who is trained
and is responsible for gathering information and doing due diligence
on these cases to determine if somebody, if a minor
child does in fact qualify as an unaccompanied homeless youth.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
And so in this case, it was a.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Liaison with jeff Copublic Schools that signed a form on
April fourteenth. Now keep in mind the child is still
a minor child living at home at this time. And
this liaison also checked the box that this minor child
became an unaccompanied homeless youth after July one, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Oh my lord, Oh my lord.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
And at this point, has that person been prosecuted, has
that person been fired? Is any official action taken there?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Not?
Speaker 7 (30:41):
To our knowledge, I believe she still works in jeff
Co Public Schools.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Why another good question, have.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
You been able to find Alison in any of your research,
any explanation that person offered trying to justify that without
is Alison establish earlier ever even calling the parents.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
No, we have not found any evidence to explain what
was going on other than complete and utter failure of
multiple professional employees with Jefferson County Public Schools.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Right, But the why piece of this, why did they
do all these things? Obviously it's a failure, but why,
what was behind it?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
What was the motive?
Speaker 7 (31:29):
Well, you know, it's hard to speak to motive, as
you know, but what we do, what we would like
to know is did the school district financially benefit from
declaring the student homeless? Because they obviously receive funds we
don't know if they're state, federal, or both, but they
receive funds for students that are declared homeless to help
(31:52):
the district provide that student education. So now keep in
mind in this case, this family paid almost seven hundred
dollars in fees in the twenty twenty one twenty twenty
two school year, and you would think that that would
be a hint to the liaison when they pull the
record that wait a minute, what's going on here? This
(32:13):
family's paying fees and yet the counselor saying she should
be declared homeless.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Again, no one did that though.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Well, at the same time that you have a female
teacher exchanging more than twenty thousand texts with the students.
And if I recall and correct me on this, but
if I recall the timeline correctly, wasn't the female teacher
involved in the process of trying to have this student
who had a home declared homeless?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (32:39):
Yes, she was definitely involved, and she was speaking to
the speech pathologist, which again we have questions as to
why a speech pathologist was involved because you have a
four point six student that is counseling this you have
a speech pathologist that's.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
Counseling a four point six GPA student.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
This student never needed speech therapy, so why was this
speech pathologist involved at all? But we know that Kearnie
talked to that speech pathologist multiple times about how to
get a child declared homeless, and so Kearnie was absolutely involved.
But what we want to emphasize is that Kearnie was
not the only one involved, because what the school district
(33:20):
seems to be doing is sort of, you know, wiping
their hands of it, saying, oh, you know, Kearnie's gone.
She can no longer work in the state of Colorado.
So the problem's taken care of, But the problem's not
taken care of.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
No.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
All the people who allowed all of this to happen,
and we're part of it happening, are still there.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Right. Did anybody get fired, Did anybody get prosecuted?
Speaker 6 (33:41):
No one, no one.
Speaker 7 (33:43):
And in fact, if you do a public check of
all of their licenses, none of them have a knock
against their license. So to our knowledge, none of them
received a suspension, a demotion. They're all still employed with
JEFCO Public schools, with the exception of the speech pathologist
who is now working in private practice.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Oh my lord.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
And then what I'd like to do, if you can
stay for another segment, Ellison, is I'd like to then
get into what happens when the parents then come to
meet with the principal, and then what happens after that,
because for anybody listening who has children, it's just one
of the most heartbreaking pictures you can imagine, and it
(34:24):
should be enough to motivate everybody to do everything you
can through the system, contact you're elected, everythings, and put
every bit of appropriate, respectful pressure you can through the
system on people. To get to the bottom of this,
we've got to hear from the DA of the Jefferson
(34:46):
County DA, We've got to hear from everybody at every level,
and somebody's got to explain how all these people still
have jobs.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
That seems inconceivable to me. But Alison Browner is with us.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
She's done a lot of investigation on this. She'll join
us again for a more more segment after the break.
We have some other news then we'll be talking about
as well, including President Trump now intending to offer five
million dollar green cards to wealthy people to come to America.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Get your take on that.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
But this very important story will continue to drill down,
and the mother of the child will be with us
in the studio.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Next Monday, You're on The Dan Kaplas Show.
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