November 20, 2025 • 35 mins
In this hour, Dan Caplis looks at just how dangerous the Democrats' recent viral video is.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Undermining the American way, but in a way where he
can't be prosecuted, in a way where he doesn't commit
any crime, but on a moral level. Does that make
it any less horrific, any less dangerous? Three oh three seven, one,
three eight, two five five the number text d an
five seven seven through nine. President Trump firing back in
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a very very aggressive way. And I believe the President's
response indicates that he believes Jason Crow was trying to
get him killed. Because for the President to respond seditious
behavior punishable by death exclamation point. I think the only
thing that explains sad is that President Trump thinks Jason
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Crow is trying to get him killed. I wish Jason
Crow hadn't done what he did horrifically dangerous and bad
for this country. I wish President Trump had not responded
that way.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Let's go to the sheriff.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Sheriff Steve Reams does such a fantastic job in office
and on this program, Sheriff folcome back to the Dan
Kapla Show.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Hey, Thanks, Dan, I'm appreciate being on.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, you know, I asked you to join us to
talk about developments on that you know, three hundred and
forty dollars tickets story. For those not familiar with the story,
a town of Cursey up in Welld County has set
up these these tickets.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
If somebody went twenty.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Five or more over, they get hit with the three
hundred and forty dollars fine. There were claims it was
a speed trap. And I do want to get your
take on the announcement today that the town's going to
put a hold on that while they study it further,
and the chief of police and Cursey's going to join
us tomorrow on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So I really want to get your take on that.
But obviously what.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Has become the story of the day and beyond today
is this video that was done by Crow and the others,
and then the President's very aggressive response today.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
As a lawman, what's your take and all that?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Well, I think, uh, what Jason Crow and his his
buddies did. I mean, it's it's disgusting in my mind
to suggest that, you know, President Trump had been giving
given unlawful orders, or had been giving unlawful orders uh
as the commander in chief, but never citing an example
of what that unlawful order could have even remotely been.
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You know, obviously they're they're just trying to create chaos,
and when when you see what's going on in the
country right now, I think President Trump is doing everything
he can to to try to restore law and order
inside our borders and even outside of our borders, and
these kind of statements just up in that. And I
don't know what the what the end game is for
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these folks. I mean, apparently they like to foment chaos
and and they like to to support the for a
lack of better terms, they like to support the bad guys.
It's just it's disgusting. I agree with you. I don't
think President Trump's response was necessarily is pragmatic as it
should have been, But I can understand why he's a
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little hot under the collar, if you will.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, sure, Steve, vereams are guessed and where and how
does this end? I mean, if I'm right, there's no
chance this is going to end in any kind of
criminal prosecution, because my guess is Crow and the others
lawyered up really hard before they did this, and they
believe that by inserting the word unlawful, they protect themselves legally.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And I think they're right. I don't think it lessons.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
It doesn't lessen the danger they create to the precedent
or the damage to the country, but it protects them legally.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
So yeah, we're not going to see any prosecutions.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
No, I don't think they'll face any kind of criminal prosecution,
you know, for sedition or anything else. But what it
does do is those those fine men and women that
are out there doing the work of Ice and Border Patrol,
and the men and women that are down on the
southern border in a national Guard capacity or that are
you know, supporting Ice and Border Patrol in some areas,
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and those national guard capacities, it opens those people up
to you know, and even heightened an even greater chance
of violent encounters with you know, extremists. To listen to
either side of the language, and it's just this is
not a place where our country should be. As a
law enforcement officer, it drives me crazy to see how
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the rule of law is being It's being downplayed by
the left right now in a way that is dangerous
to our country and it's not where we should be.
I in my lifetime, I never thought i'd see this,
but here we are.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
And it's a former Democrat and the son of a
thirty year Chicago cop. It's just inconceivable to me that
the Democratic Party, which so many police officers across America,
like my late father have been members of the Democratic Party,
that the Democratic Party could become so pro criminal an
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anti cop is unimaginable. And I just sit here thinking,
how did we ever get to this point? And I
know the answer to that, but it's still mind blowing.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, you know, I mean, I grew up respecting law enforcement.
They were heroes in my in my eyes, and you know,
it's obvious, obviously one of the reasons that I chose
the profession I did. And I can't help but think
that normal everyday citizens, whether they're Democrats Republicans I'm affiliated,
when you start attacking law enforcement. I have to believe
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that's why President Trump's back in office. I have to
believe that's why Republicans are in control of House in
the Senate. And you know, the rule of law matters
to most people except for those who are violating the law,
and a lot of those people can't vote.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, sure, Steve reams our guessed. Oh, by the way,
the topic I invited you on to talk about, sure,
which seems so large at the time, and it is
large just compared to this, it's not. But the town
of Kur announcing this stay on the three hundred and
forty dollars tickets are setting up a process for people
to appeal those. Are you surprised and how does it end?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I'm not surprised because I think the way that the
town was interpreting the law that allows for these speed
cameras to be used, I think they might have been
a little loose and fast on their interpretation that they
could send out these three hundred and forty dollars fines,
you know, for anyone who's doing twenty five or over
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the speed limit. And I think we can all agree
that twenty five an hour over the speed limit is
probably a little excessive. But this finding process was just
the same. You know. I believe the way the law
interprets is that you can go out and find that
person or schedule on the court date, and you know
there is a three hundred and forty dollars fine that
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would be attached it's found guilty, but just mailing out
the fine and not really providing a court date, I
don't think that's the way that the law was supposed
to be interpreted. Well, all that said, the fact that
they paused it is good. But this whole speed camera
thing in Well County has been it's been a problem,
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and it may be good for the town of Curzy,
but I have so many constituents that are just they're upset,
and it's mostly in the way that this one, in
particular was rolled out. I think there's a time and
place potentially for speed cameras. I'm not one that's in
favor of them, but this is one that probably it
gives it gives the concept of pretty black eye.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Well it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It come down to whether it really is for public safety,
whether there's fair warning, or whether it's just a revenue trap,
because you know, the way the critics describe the Cursey
one is it's just a revenue trap. It's not about safety.
It drops very quickly from sixty five to forty five
and then the camera sits just beyond the forty five
and I'll that's the Cursey police chief tomorrow about Daddy's
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going to be kind enough to.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Come on the show.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
So that's it would really concern me because because I
know sheriff or I assume we share this I mean,
we have these much different jobs. You're out there risking
your life every day, but we still both see the
carnage that comes from people driving twenty five or more
over and other forms of reckless driving. So I have
no problem with with hammering. You know, people who do that,
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they're endangering everybody. But if it's set up in some
remote place and it's really just a trap where you
drop the speed very quickly, that's a different critter.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah. And you know, I'm not going to be overly
critical of the town they Flagpole NX out to this intersection.
It's I don't think most people would believe that this
intersection has anything to do with Curzy. But when you
Flagpole NX and you take you know, you take properties,
you're now going to be responsible for some of the
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burden that goes along with that is out how to
police it and figuring out how to control those areas appropriately.
And you know that jurisdiction had previously been in the county. Yes,
there are issues that that pop up on any on
any road lay in Colorado, but we never saw the
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data to support to support these traffic cameras the same
way the town occurs. He did so I think there's
you know, there's just a difference of opinion there. They
can they can make that decision, but you own the
decisions you make, and that's kind of where they're at. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Well, I appreciate the time today, my friend. Look forward
to the next one, you bet, thank you. And I
want to think whatever Texter had suggested share frames for
the show. We did a fun show a while back
where we said, hey, we have all these great filings
on the show, I mean really world class people and talents,
but we want to add some others because I was
going to be missing a whole bunch of time for
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that long trial. And somebody suggested share frames and.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
And he's just killing it. He is so good, Jesse
Thomas bind the glass day for Ryan.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
There's a little bit of me that's surprised every time
this key card works, right too?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah? Mine mine, not yours. I'm not the prize. Yours works.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
No, no, oh no, no, he it ain't defamation if
it's true, brother, And but you know, you get you
get fill ins who are so good, you know, Yeah,
I won't be surprised if someday I just hit red,
red Red, and I'll take the hint and I'll get
my car and the office. Yeah, just like kids break
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up these days by text, I hear man. I'm glad
we didn't have texting or cell phone cameras when I
was at h You're on the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
The President hasn't responded to this video just yet, but
your reaction to this in the angle or I thought
it was extremely foolish and cowardly. At the same time,
I thought it was cowardly because if you can't name
the unlawful orders that these guys are bringing up, you know,
in their video, you know, that just shows me that
you don't have the courage to even call out what
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you're talking about. Number two, I thought it was foolish
because if you have to have, you know, a joint
statement video like this, and it's the messaging is so
bad that people reporters have to call your office to
ask what are you even talking about? You look extremely foolish.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I'm claud He spoke out on that because Jason Crow,
I can't think of anything more cowardly we've ever seen
from an elected official in Colorado, and I know that's
seen a lot, right and since the Democrats took control
of the state, and I may be forgetting something, but
this trying to undermine the military like this, the danger
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it creates for the president himself. Obviously the president believes
that the crow's trying to get him killed. The President
issuing a tweet, I wish he pardoned me, had not
and the tweet is seditious behavior punished bolt by death.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Excuse me, sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I was just bragging Amy, just bragging Amy Jesse that
I haven't been sick in like eight months. I probably
should not have said that.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
That sometimes can be the occurse of you know what. Oh, yeah, yeah,
hopefully you shake it.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, no, I think so. Or it's peanut butter, one
of the two and one of the two. Thank you,
my friend for covering for me. That's like Jesse does
Rockies baseball. So that's like going, okay, the catcher takes
one in the cup and the ump goes out in
front of the plate, dust it off until yep, the
catcher can stand up straight again.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
With his rear end by the way to center field,
not the fans, which is the proper protocol to clean
the plate.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Did you know that? No, explain that place?
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Yes, well so you're not mooning the fans that are
directly behind home plate. I think, so he turns around,
so he's actually his butts towards center field.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I just learned that recently.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Actually, I've always wondered why it is that they always
turn the same way, and I guess it's protocol from
way back in the day that.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Is so courteous.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yes, is this the year they're going to this computerized
strike zone.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Yes, it's happening. The ABS system will be in play.
They're not going full robot OMPs just yet. It's baby steps,
but yes, ABS will be in play this year.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 5 (13:23):
We love it, and I think I speak for Jack
as well. We can't wait for it. And because the
way they do it is super smooth. All you got
to do is tap the helmet, it'll be ready to go.
It's up on the jumbo tron for everybody to see,
kind of like tennis. If it's either a strike or
a ball, onward we go.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Well, it seems.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
To me it's going to take some of the excitement
out of the game, right, some of the human element.
But you know better, you're you're at each and every
one of these games three out three seven three eight
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three nine, danis the police chief. Was a proper engineering
study done? Was the signage in store? According to MUTCD,
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folks should request the traffic study, the sign layout, and
the MUTCD compliance documents. If those don't exist or don't
match your rules, the citations are questionable. Dan, I drive
a truck and there's more than ample time and distance
to slow down, and there is a speed zone warning
sign that from no codan.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Okay, that's new and important information. Dan.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
You should check out the case aw concerning speed cams
in Ohio, safety or revenue.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Dan, Jason Crow.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And many other Democrats are an embarrassment to everything good
and wholesome in this country, nokoden.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And it hurts. It hurts to see that. It hurts
to know how true it is.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
And I say that as a former Democrat, and so
many members of my family who are out of state
are Democrats. I think my wife's still a Democrat. I
know so many great patriotic people who are Democrats. But
the people who own and operate their party right now now,
they're from a different planet. And Exhibit A is his
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stuff Jason Crow's involved in here, but I really like
to get your take as well on President Trump's response.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And I've praised him often on the show. I think
I like to.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Think I'm the most fair and balanced person on air
anywhere when it comes to President Trump, because I've always
been willing to praise him for the stuff he does well,
and there's so much of that, but I've always been
willing to speak the truth when he does something wrong,
and I think his tweet today seditious behavior Punishable by
Death is wrong.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Again.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I think the only thing that could possibly drive him
to tweet that is if he believed that Jason Crow
and the others were trying to get him killed.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
And if that's what he has.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Concluded, I can't blame him given everything he's been through
in the assassination attempts he has survived and the very
obviously dangerous and awful nature of what Crow and the
others did. But my guess is that's what the President believes,
that they're trying to get him killed. Otherwise I don't
think he tweets seditious behavior punishable by death three aout
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three seOne three eight two five five The number techs
d An five seven seven three nine Dan. I drive
by that camera nearly every day at work on Highway
thirty four and CR forty nine by Kersey. There's absolutely
no reason in the world that anybody should be going
over the speed limit in that area. That intersection is
known for some really bad accidents and up tell you
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have talked about this before, But as a guy in
my law practice id to catastrophic injury and death cases
representing victims and survivors, I look at all these pictures
all the time of this horrific carnage caused by reckless drivers.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I have zero sympathy for anybody going.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Twenty five miles over the speed limit. My point is
simply that, Hey, in that KUSA story, the lady seemed
to be claiming that it was set up as a
speed trap. If it's not, If it's not a public
safety issue, and it's set up as a speed trap
and revenue is the motivator and tickets out three hundred
and forty dollars, I'd have a real concern. But generally speaking,
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I think this state under Democrat rule, has become so soft.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
On reckless driving.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
And when you stop and think right now and I'm
sure you think about this often because you have it
happening around you all the time. When you're driving, you
stop and think about the single greatest threat to your
life and to the future for your children, and for
your husband or your wife, and it is reckless drivers
on the roadway that is by far the greatest threat.
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The greatest threat of death, the greatest threat of dismemberment,
the greatest threat of paralysis, the greatest threat of taking
this life that you've worked so hard to build and
destroying it in a heartbeat is reckless driving.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yet our laws are so soft, as George Brockler said,
intentionally weak.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
And we end up with all of these dead bodies,
people who should still be alive, all these maimed people.
And it's time for the state to start protecting itself
from declare war on these reckless drivers.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
You're on the den Kapla show.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Hasn't responded to this video just yet, but your reaction
to this in the Angle, Laura, I thought it was
extremely foolish and cowardly.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
At the same time, Representative Eli Crane calling Jason Crow
and the others al Crane himself a Navy seal three
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The President responding today's seditious behavior punishable by death and dead.
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Jason Crow not happy about that, Listen. I wish Jason
Crow had never done this because it creates a horrific
additional danger for the president, very bad for this country.
Completely cowardly to call on our military to disobey quote,
unlawful orders in that point to a single order you
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claim to be unlawful. That's the definition of cowardly. But
I certainly wish the President had not responded this way.
He must the president must believe Crow's trying to get
him killed, or I don't think the President responds that way.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I wish the president had not. Jim in Denver, you're
on the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Welcome Dan. I think we can agree there's too much
incendiary rhetoric on both sides, But I don't think there's
ever been any politician in my lifetime that's been more
incendiary than the president. Marjorie Taylor Green was on the
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Sunday talk shows and she said, immediately after Donald Trump
repeatedly branded her a trader, that she received a spate
of that threats.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
In terms of incendiary Jim, can you be more precise?
Because Trump was elected to be a disruptor, and everybody
knew when they elected Trump both times that he would
say some really tough things, some things I've been critical of.
What do you what do you mean by incendiary calls
to violence?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (20:22):
When he retweets hang them George Washington did it?
Speaker 7 (20:26):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, Hey, I've criticized. No, Hey, that's fine. I criticized
that today. I wish you'd kill them.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Okay, yeah, it take take yes for an answer, Jim,
I'm agreeing with you on that, but I said it first.
I criticized that first. But do you agree with me
that the president must believe that Jason Crow was trying
to get him killed for the President to respond.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
That way, I don't know, Dan.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Okay, can you see I mean it's hard for me
to guess his motivations.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Well, let me ask a better question. Let me ask
you a better question, my friend, Jim, and that is,
can you see why President Trump might believe that Jason
Crow was trying to get him killed?
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Well, he might believe a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Jim. Come on, you're a smart guy. Hey, we're all adopt.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
No, it didn't sound that way. It's kind of a
yes or no question. Can you see why President Trump
would believe that Jason Crow was trying to get him
killed with that video? No, okay, so when you've got
but let me ask you about that, Jim, Because you're
president of the United States, you face these two very
major assassination attempts, and then you have a sitting congressman
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cut this video, which is implicitly saying to every member
of the military who it's aimed at, that you have
to protect this nation against the sitting president. Don't give
up the ship. And knowing that in any large group
of humans, including the military, there are going to be
some unstable people. You can't see where the president would
think it Crow's trying to motivate some unstable person in
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the military to kill me. You think that would be
irrational on the President's part.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Uh? I think that the president? Uh you know, all
they did was reaffirm the Uniform Code of Military Contents.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Come on, Jim, get that scarbage. What do you think?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
What do you think they're Well, then why couldn't they
point to a single unlawful order of Trump's.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
They didn't point to a single but but the courts,
the courts have said that just today that is deployment
of Donald Trump is what's I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Jim to know.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I can't let you do this because I respect you
too much, and I respect me too much, and I
respect the audience too much.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Jim.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
If they can't point to a single unlawful order from
this president, why do the video?
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Uh want he deployed troops to?
Speaker 7 (23:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
No, no, no, Jim. I'm sorry, I'm Jim. Okay, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry to do that to Jim.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I like Jim, but he's not going to answer the
question because it will cause him to lose the argument.
Now it becomes boring for everybody. Yeah, the only logical
answer to my question is they didn't point to any
unlawful order from the president because there.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Has not been one. So they then have some other
motive for cutting that video. What is it? David in Boulder,
You're on the Dan Kapla Show. It's been a long time, Dan, David,
where have you been? My friend?
Speaker 8 (23:37):
I was sick of a dog, a horrible illness.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I have never met a sick dog. I have never
met a sick dog. But we affectionately refer to David
in house here as big butt David. And the reason
we do that we've never met. I have no idea
of your physique, but it's because David will always call
the show, say something nice. We'll get a nice, warm feeling,
and then I'll say, but here's why you're a blank hole.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
So I miss Kelly on the Kelly.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, no, everybody does everybody.
Speaker 8 (24:11):
Well, anyways, give her my best next time you see her.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
But yeah, I'm literally a new man versus a couple
of months ago conversations, and I could not I couldn't help.
But thinking about the end of the first term, General
Milly got in all that trouble right because he was
afraid that Donald Trump was going to go screw loose,
go off the reservation and threaten Shining with the nuclear war.
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So it's not like this is a new thing of
his idea that Trump's not quite a rational player in
the whole game.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
It David fatal flaw alert.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Trump didn't do any of that, and and Milly was
exposed at that point of he didn't.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
But the General commander of the United States Military of
the Army all of it. He was afraid of enough
to go behind his back to talk to the Chinese
people to make sure it didn't.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Which clearly showed him to be whack. Four and a
half year old thing, David. It showed him to be whack.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
And and remember the American people elected Trump again after that.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
So, so why do you think, my friend?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
And I'm so glad that this conversation has brought you
off your deathbed hopefully for a long time. But why
why do you think Jason Crowe did not point out
a single unlawful order in a video where he's asking
the military to defy the president.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
I mean, I'm still waiting for my fifty percent energy costs.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Okay, I will medical building, David. Sometimes just say, Dan,
you win. It's not hard to say.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
Always a pleasure to listen to you, ask you, thank
you you and your family for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Thank you to my friend Hope, Hope you are well.
Have you been healthy, Jesse?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
You look for the.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Most part, I've had a you know, a couple of
sniffles here.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
And there, but nothing major.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
The only reason I ask you look very healthy is
that I think since COVID, most people have something all
the time, and and now most people just kind of
forge ahead, and they're comfortable being uncomfortable, and they just
deal with it. I mean, who even gets COVID tests anymore?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I don't know anybody that does.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
They don't do any in the MLB and regular COVID. Yeah, right,
nobody wants to know. Why should you?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, just you know, buckle up and move on. Yeah,
what are you going to do about it? Anyway?
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure at one point in time the
ninety percent of our traveling party had some virus.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
You know what I mean, there's nothing. Yeah, just go
about to move on. You just forge ahead, You just
forge had.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
You think the people who you know, take the wagon
trains and everything across the plains, you think they always
felt like, hey, how you doing this morning?
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Maybe the old Oregon Trail, that's right, they were just tough. Yeah,
you have died of dysentery. What happened to me on
the Orgon Trail video game?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Numerous times you died of dysentery.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Have you ever played that old computer lab game back
in the day and used the goal was to move
your wagon from wherever to down the Organ Trail to
the Organ and then your ox would break a leg
and your traveling party would drowned.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
And yeah, I don't even want to ask about the
graphics on that particular death anyway. Speaking of death, President
must obviously believe that Jason Crowe is trying to get
him killed. The President today responding seditious behavior punishable by death.
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Why do you think Crowe did this? What do you
think of the President's response? Do you think Crow is
going to come on this show? You're on the Dan
kapla show that Jesse does all of the Rockies broadcast,
so it's always fun to talk to Jesse and catch up.
We hope to have George Brockler with us shortly. In
the meantime, let me go to our jam phone lines. Bert,
(28:01):
would you be kind enough to hold on a second.
I had intruded on George's day to see if he
could help us out today.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
All raight, How you doing, my friend?
Speaker 7 (28:10):
I'm good, sir, Thanks for having me a good show.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Great, hey, and thank you thanks for popping on. Obviously
you have served this country, you know, so nobly and bravely.
I just want to get your take on the latest
with Jason Crow and the President's response today. Quote seditious
behavior punishable by death. Where do you see this thing
right now? Where do you think it's going?
Speaker 7 (28:33):
I'm disappointed here, But let me get to the president's
thing once again. Our commander in chief has bet on
nineteen right, like he's gonna win this hand. He just
has to do something just slightly more conservative. And had
he taken that much more high brow approach to say,
this is the kind of talk that endangers troops both
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here and abroad. Had he been that kind of a
commander in chief, I really do think it would have
been ten times more embarrassing and shameful for Crow and
the crew. But you know, you don't become president listening
to my advice. So you know he did exactly what
he did. And I will say this, the irony of
it is the defense that Crow has put on the
nonsense that he put in that video is we were
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just advising the soldiers of the law, and to some extent,
that's all Trump is doing too. If you engage in sedition,
one of the possible penalties could be something super severent.
I don't agree with that here. I don't think it
applies here. But the overall thing that bothered me most
about what Crow has done is he knows better. I
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have defended this guy on social media for years when
people call him trader and.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
This and that.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
Dude's a straight up patriot, right, Like he deployed twice
to war and not in some rear echelon thing. This
guy was an airborne ranger legitsating, so he knows better.
And if his folks were going to deploy to war
and some stranger, some state legislator or other per came
into his unit before they got on that plane and
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flew over and said, just so you know, super urgent,
this administration is pitting you guys against Americans. This is
a stressful time. We know the pressure on you. I mean,
there are all words from his video and they said
at one point America trusts you, but they may not
in the future that trust is at risk. Are the
words of use. If you had someone climbing onto your
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plane as you're getting ready to the ploint and say that,
Crow would have had that guy thrown out of the plane,
whether it was on the ground or I was born right,
because you simply can't inject doubt into your troops in
the chain of command. The chain of command is the
only thing we can rely upon when decisions seem like
they're questionable, they're tough, they're life risking. You have to
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trust your chain of command. And these guys, these men
and women who know better, use their positions to come
out and say, doubt your chain of command.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, the orders you receive.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
And I think you're one hundred percent right about Jason
Crow's extraordinary courage when he served in our armed forces.
And I think Representative E Like Crane, a former Navy seal,
is one hundred percent right when he says Jason Crow
is acting like a coward right now. So why do
you think Crow's doing it? What's his endgame?
Speaker 7 (31:14):
That's a tough one if it was just Crow. My
sense of Crow is this so far is he's desperate
to be relevant at the national level. And so if
you look at what he's done in the last week
or two, he had that super sweet spread from the
New York Times about how Jason Crowe maybe he's the
guy of the future of the party man. Instantly he
starts leaving the state of Colorado so that he can
go help the political cause for future House members in
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New Hampshire and Arizona. And other states. He called it
like Crow's Tour or something like that, and so this
happens towards the tail end of that. And my sense
is this is a guy who wants to be a
name that's talked about in the future of the party,
whether it's leadership in the House or some other bigger position,
and this is his play to do it.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
George Brockler, our guest, You may well be right, but
I have to assume he doesn't have the courage to
come on this show. But I have to assume he
as a very intelligent person. So he must have known,
in my opinion, that this video would create grave danger
for the president. I mean, to me, the implicit message
to all the members of the military is you have
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to protect this nation from the commander in chief, and
to ask them to defy quote unlawful orders but not
identify a single unlawful order. Seems to me he had
to know that was going to create some danger.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Of course he did, and if he didn't, it's even worse.
Right like that makes this guy incompetent, reckless, if that's
the truth. But I don't think he's that way. I
think he knew what he was doing. But when you
use language in that video, and you know all of
them read the same speech and they just spliced it up.
When you say this administration is pitting you against American citizens,
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what do you hope the outcome is? What do you think?
And to build it all the language of urgency right now,
right here, And there's never been a time like this.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
It's like what And let me ask you about something
you and I were texting about and we both had.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
The same thought, I.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Think at the same time, is and telling these people,
telling the members of the military, we have your back.
At that point, I don't know what your conclusion is,
but to me that he can't possibly believe that he
does have their back. What's he going to do for
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people then, who are in a court martialed because they
defy in order?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
What's he going to do for them? So why does
he tell them, hey, go ahead, do it, we have
your back when he has to know that isn't true.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
It absolutely can't be true procedurally and legally. And for
a guy who claims to be a lawyer and wanting
to advise soldiers about the law, that's what he said
he was doing, how is he going to respond to
that letter from a guy that said, Hey, I was
a ten year service member. I followed your advice. I
disobeyed an order I thought was illegal. They court martialed me,
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Me and my family lost all my benefits. I got
a dishonorable discharge. Please help me.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
What is he going to do?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Right?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Is he going to buy him a house? Is he
going to get him out of jail? Is he going
to unwind the dishonorable discharge? So it seems to me
that Crow had to know that was false at the
time he said it. So he's trying to induce these
young men and women, many of them, you know, to
defy their commander in chief with a promise Crow will
then take care of him.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
So I think they want someone to do this more
than someone so that they can rally them to some
political public event where they can say, see, Trump has
lost the trust of his men and women in uniform,
then now openly defying his illegal.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Acts, and we're here to support.
Speaker 7 (34:50):
They're trying to foment this sort of If it's not insurrection,
it's something in the zip code.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I mean, it's just awful.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
George, Thank you for the time.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Great as always, George Brockler followed him on X Jesse,
so great to work with you today. Jesse thomasin for Ryan,
who's off at another speaking engagement as he should be. Hey,
thanks for your time today. Please join us tomorrow on
The Dan Kapler Show
Undermining the American way, but in a way where he
can't be prosecuted, in a way where he doesn't commit
any crime, but on a moral level. Does that make
it any less horrific, any less dangerous? Three oh three seven, one,
three eight, two five five the number text d an
five seven seven through nine. President Trump firing back in
(00:22):
a very very aggressive way. And I believe the President's
response indicates that he believes Jason Crow was trying to
get him killed. Because for the President to respond seditious
behavior punishable by death exclamation point. I think the only
thing that explains sad is that President Trump thinks Jason
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Crow is trying to get him killed. I wish Jason
Crow hadn't done what he did horrifically dangerous and bad
for this country. I wish President Trump had not responded
that way.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Let's go to the sheriff.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Sheriff Steve Reams does such a fantastic job in office
and on this program, Sheriff folcome back to the Dan
Kapla Show.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Hey, Thanks, Dan, I'm appreciate being on.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, you know, I asked you to join us to
talk about developments on that you know, three hundred and
forty dollars tickets story. For those not familiar with the story,
a town of Cursey up in Welld County has set
up these these tickets.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
If somebody went twenty.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Five or more over, they get hit with the three
hundred and forty dollars fine. There were claims it was
a speed trap. And I do want to get your
take on the announcement today that the town's going to
put a hold on that while they study it further,
and the chief of police and Cursey's going to join
us tomorrow on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So I really want to get your take on that.
But obviously what.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Has become the story of the day and beyond today
is this video that was done by Crow and the others,
and then the President's very aggressive response today.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
As a lawman, what's your take and all that?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Well, I think, uh, what Jason Crow and his his
buddies did. I mean, it's it's disgusting in my mind
to suggest that, you know, President Trump had been giving
given unlawful orders, or had been giving unlawful orders uh
as the commander in chief, but never citing an example
of what that unlawful order could have even remotely been.
(02:22):
You know, obviously they're they're just trying to create chaos,
and when when you see what's going on in the
country right now, I think President Trump is doing everything
he can to to try to restore law and order
inside our borders and even outside of our borders, and
these kind of statements just up in that. And I
don't know what the what the end game is for
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these folks. I mean, apparently they like to foment chaos
and and they like to to support the for a
lack of better terms, they like to support the bad guys.
It's just it's disgusting. I agree with you. I don't
think President Trump's response was necessarily is pragmatic as it
should have been, But I can understand why he's a
(03:04):
little hot under the collar, if you will.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, sure, Steve, vereams are guessed and where and how
does this end? I mean, if I'm right, there's no
chance this is going to end in any kind of
criminal prosecution, because my guess is Crow and the others
lawyered up really hard before they did this, and they
believe that by inserting the word unlawful, they protect themselves legally.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And I think they're right. I don't think it lessons.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
It doesn't lessen the danger they create to the precedent
or the damage to the country, but it protects them legally.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
So yeah, we're not going to see any prosecutions.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
No, I don't think they'll face any kind of criminal prosecution,
you know, for sedition or anything else. But what it
does do is those those fine men and women that
are out there doing the work of Ice and Border Patrol,
and the men and women that are down on the
southern border in a national Guard capacity or that are
you know, supporting Ice and Border Patrol in some areas,
(03:59):
and those national guard capacities, it opens those people up
to you know, and even heightened an even greater chance
of violent encounters with you know, extremists. To listen to
either side of the language, and it's just this is
not a place where our country should be. As a
law enforcement officer, it drives me crazy to see how
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the rule of law is being It's being downplayed by
the left right now in a way that is dangerous
to our country and it's not where we should be.
I in my lifetime, I never thought i'd see this,
but here we are.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
And it's a former Democrat and the son of a
thirty year Chicago cop. It's just inconceivable to me that
the Democratic Party, which so many police officers across America,
like my late father have been members of the Democratic Party,
that the Democratic Party could become so pro criminal an
(04:58):
anti cop is unimaginable. And I just sit here thinking,
how did we ever get to this point? And I
know the answer to that, but it's still mind blowing.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, you know, I mean, I grew up respecting law enforcement.
They were heroes in my in my eyes, and you know,
it's obvious, obviously one of the reasons that I chose
the profession I did. And I can't help but think
that normal everyday citizens, whether they're Democrats Republicans I'm affiliated,
when you start attacking law enforcement. I have to believe
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that's why President Trump's back in office. I have to
believe that's why Republicans are in control of House in
the Senate. And you know, the rule of law matters
to most people except for those who are violating the law,
and a lot of those people can't vote.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, sure, Steve reams our guessed. Oh, by the way,
the topic I invited you on to talk about, sure,
which seems so large at the time, and it is
large just compared to this, it's not. But the town
of Kur announcing this stay on the three hundred and
forty dollars tickets are setting up a process for people
to appeal those. Are you surprised and how does it end?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I'm not surprised because I think the way that the
town was interpreting the law that allows for these speed
cameras to be used, I think they might have been
a little loose and fast on their interpretation that they
could send out these three hundred and forty dollars fines,
you know, for anyone who's doing twenty five or over
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the speed limit. And I think we can all agree
that twenty five an hour over the speed limit is
probably a little excessive. But this finding process was just
the same. You know. I believe the way the law
interprets is that you can go out and find that
person or schedule on the court date, and you know
there is a three hundred and forty dollars fine that
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would be attached it's found guilty, but just mailing out
the fine and not really providing a court date, I
don't think that's the way that the law was supposed
to be interpreted. Well, all that said, the fact that
they paused it is good. But this whole speed camera
thing in Well County has been it's been a problem,
(07:12):
and it may be good for the town of Curzy,
but I have so many constituents that are just they're upset,
and it's mostly in the way that this one, in
particular was rolled out. I think there's a time and
place potentially for speed cameras. I'm not one that's in
favor of them, but this is one that probably it
gives it gives the concept of pretty black eye.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Well it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It come down to whether it really is for public safety,
whether there's fair warning, or whether it's just a revenue trap,
because you know, the way the critics describe the Cursey
one is it's just a revenue trap. It's not about safety.
It drops very quickly from sixty five to forty five
and then the camera sits just beyond the forty five
and I'll that's the Cursey police chief tomorrow about Daddy's
(07:56):
going to be kind enough to.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Come on the show.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
So that's it would really concern me because because I
know sheriff or I assume we share this I mean,
we have these much different jobs. You're out there risking
your life every day, but we still both see the
carnage that comes from people driving twenty five or more
over and other forms of reckless driving. So I have
no problem with with hammering. You know, people who do that,
(08:20):
they're endangering everybody. But if it's set up in some
remote place and it's really just a trap where you
drop the speed very quickly, that's a different critter.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah. And you know, I'm not going to be overly
critical of the town they Flagpole NX out to this intersection.
It's I don't think most people would believe that this
intersection has anything to do with Curzy. But when you
Flagpole NX and you take you know, you take properties,
you're now going to be responsible for some of the
(08:52):
burden that goes along with that is out how to
police it and figuring out how to control those areas appropriately.
And you know that jurisdiction had previously been in the county. Yes,
there are issues that that pop up on any on
any road lay in Colorado, but we never saw the
(09:12):
data to support to support these traffic cameras the same
way the town occurs. He did so I think there's
you know, there's just a difference of opinion there. They
can they can make that decision, but you own the
decisions you make, and that's kind of where they're at. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Well, I appreciate the time today, my friend. Look forward
to the next one, you bet, thank you. And I
want to think whatever Texter had suggested share frames for
the show. We did a fun show a while back
where we said, hey, we have all these great filings
on the show, I mean really world class people and talents,
but we want to add some others because I was
going to be missing a whole bunch of time for
(09:47):
that long trial. And somebody suggested share frames and.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
And he's just killing it. He is so good, Jesse
Thomas bind the glass day for Ryan.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
There's a little bit of me that's surprised every time
this key card works, right too?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah? Mine mine, not yours. I'm not the prize. Yours works.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
No, no, oh no, no, he it ain't defamation if
it's true, brother, And but you know, you get you
get fill ins who are so good, you know, Yeah,
I won't be surprised if someday I just hit red,
red Red, and I'll take the hint and I'll get
my car and the office. Yeah, just like kids break
(10:28):
up these days by text, I hear man. I'm glad
we didn't have texting or cell phone cameras when I
was at h You're on the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
The President hasn't responded to this video just yet, but
your reaction to this in the angle or I thought
it was extremely foolish and cowardly. At the same time,
I thought it was cowardly because if you can't name
the unlawful orders that these guys are bringing up, you know,
in their video, you know, that just shows me that
you don't have the courage to even call out what
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you're talking about. Number two, I thought it was foolish
because if you have to have, you know, a joint
statement video like this, and it's the messaging is so
bad that people reporters have to call your office to
ask what are you even talking about? You look extremely foolish.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I'm claud He spoke out on that because Jason Crow,
I can't think of anything more cowardly we've ever seen
from an elected official in Colorado, and I know that's
seen a lot, right and since the Democrats took control
of the state, and I may be forgetting something, but
this trying to undermine the military like this, the danger
(11:44):
it creates for the president himself. Obviously the president believes
that the crow's trying to get him killed. The President
issuing a tweet, I wish he pardoned me, had not
and the tweet is seditious behavior punished bolt by death.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Excuse me, sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I was just bragging Amy, just bragging Amy Jesse that
I haven't been sick in like eight months. I probably
should not have said that.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
That sometimes can be the occurse of you know what. Oh, yeah, yeah,
hopefully you shake it.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, no, I think so. Or it's peanut butter, one
of the two and one of the two. Thank you,
my friend for covering for me. That's like Jesse does
Rockies baseball. So that's like going, okay, the catcher takes
one in the cup and the ump goes out in
front of the plate, dust it off until yep, the
catcher can stand up straight again.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
With his rear end by the way to center field,
not the fans, which is the proper protocol to clean
the plate.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Did you know that? No, explain that place?
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Yes, well so you're not mooning the fans that are
directly behind home plate. I think, so he turns around,
so he's actually his butts towards center field.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I just learned that recently.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Actually, I've always wondered why it is that they always
turn the same way, and I guess it's protocol from
way back in the day that.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Is so courteous.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yes, is this the year they're going to this computerized
strike zone.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Yes, it's happening. The ABS system will be in play.
They're not going full robot OMPs just yet. It's baby steps,
but yes, ABS will be in play this year.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 5 (13:23):
We love it, and I think I speak for Jack
as well. We can't wait for it. And because the
way they do it is super smooth. All you got
to do is tap the helmet, it'll be ready to go.
It's up on the jumbo tron for everybody to see,
kind of like tennis. If it's either a strike or
a ball, onward we go.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Well, it seems.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
To me it's going to take some of the excitement
out of the game, right, some of the human element.
But you know better, you're you're at each and every
one of these games three out three seven three eight
two five five text d A N five seven seven
three nine, danis the police chief. Was a proper engineering
study done? Was the signage in store? According to MUTCD,
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folks should request the traffic study, the sign layout, and
the MUTCD compliance documents. If those don't exist or don't
match your rules, the citations are questionable. Dan, I drive
a truck and there's more than ample time and distance
to slow down, and there is a speed zone warning
sign that from no codan.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Okay, that's new and important information. Dan.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
You should check out the case aw concerning speed cams
in Ohio, safety or revenue.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Dan, Jason Crow.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And many other Democrats are an embarrassment to everything good
and wholesome in this country, nokoden.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And it hurts. It hurts to see that. It hurts
to know how true it is.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
And I say that as a former Democrat, and so
many members of my family who are out of state
are Democrats. I think my wife's still a Democrat. I
know so many great patriotic people who are Democrats. But
the people who own and operate their party right now now,
they're from a different planet. And Exhibit A is his
(15:04):
stuff Jason Crow's involved in here, but I really like
to get your take as well on President Trump's response.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And I've praised him often on the show. I think
I like to.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Think I'm the most fair and balanced person on air
anywhere when it comes to President Trump, because I've always
been willing to praise him for the stuff he does well,
and there's so much of that, but I've always been
willing to speak the truth when he does something wrong,
and I think his tweet today seditious behavior Punishable by
Death is wrong.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Again.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I think the only thing that could possibly drive him
to tweet that is if he believed that Jason Crow
and the others were trying to get him killed.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
And if that's what he has.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Concluded, I can't blame him given everything he's been through
in the assassination attempts he has survived and the very
obviously dangerous and awful nature of what Crow and the
others did. But my guess is that's what the President believes,
that they're trying to get him killed. Otherwise I don't
think he tweets seditious behavior punishable by death three aout
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three seOne three eight two five five The number techs
d An five seven seven three nine Dan. I drive
by that camera nearly every day at work on Highway
thirty four and CR forty nine by Kersey. There's absolutely
no reason in the world that anybody should be going
over the speed limit in that area. That intersection is
known for some really bad accidents and up tell you
(16:32):
have talked about this before, But as a guy in
my law practice id to catastrophic injury and death cases
representing victims and survivors, I look at all these pictures
all the time of this horrific carnage caused by reckless drivers.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I have zero sympathy for anybody going.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Twenty five miles over the speed limit. My point is
simply that, Hey, in that KUSA story, the lady seemed
to be claiming that it was set up as a
speed trap. If it's not, If it's not a public
safety issue, and it's set up as a speed trap
and revenue is the motivator and tickets out three hundred
and forty dollars, I'd have a real concern. But generally speaking,
(17:11):
I think this state under Democrat rule, has become so soft.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
On reckless driving.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
And when you stop and think right now and I'm
sure you think about this often because you have it
happening around you all the time. When you're driving, you
stop and think about the single greatest threat to your
life and to the future for your children, and for
your husband or your wife, and it is reckless drivers
on the roadway that is by far the greatest threat.
(17:42):
The greatest threat of death, the greatest threat of dismemberment,
the greatest threat of paralysis, the greatest threat of taking
this life that you've worked so hard to build and
destroying it in a heartbeat is reckless driving.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yet our laws are so soft, as George Brockler said,
intentionally weak.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
And we end up with all of these dead bodies,
people who should still be alive, all these maimed people.
And it's time for the state to start protecting itself
from declare war on these reckless drivers.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
You're on the den Kapla show.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Hasn't responded to this video just yet, but your reaction
to this in the Angle, Laura, I thought it was
extremely foolish and cowardly.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
At the same time, Representative Eli Crane calling Jason Crow
and the others al Crane himself a Navy seal three
at three seven one three eight two five five the
number text d A N five seven seven three nine.
The President responding today's seditious behavior punishable by death and dead.
(18:51):
Jason Crow not happy about that, Listen. I wish Jason
Crow had never done this because it creates a horrific
additional danger for the president, very bad for this country.
Completely cowardly to call on our military to disobey quote,
unlawful orders in that point to a single order you
(19:11):
claim to be unlawful. That's the definition of cowardly. But
I certainly wish the President had not responded this way.
He must the president must believe Crow's trying to get
him killed, or I don't think the President responds that way.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I wish the president had not. Jim in Denver, you're
on the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Welcome Dan. I think we can agree there's too much
incendiary rhetoric on both sides, But I don't think there's
ever been any politician in my lifetime that's been more
incendiary than the president. Marjorie Taylor Green was on the
(19:49):
Sunday talk shows and she said, immediately after Donald Trump
repeatedly branded her a trader, that she received a spate
of that threats.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
In terms of incendiary Jim, can you be more precise?
Because Trump was elected to be a disruptor, and everybody
knew when they elected Trump both times that he would
say some really tough things, some things I've been critical of.
What do you what do you mean by incendiary calls
to violence?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (20:22):
When he retweets hang them George Washington did it?
Speaker 7 (20:26):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, Hey, I've criticized. No, Hey, that's fine. I criticized
that today. I wish you'd kill them.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Okay, yeah, it take take yes for an answer, Jim,
I'm agreeing with you on that, but I said it first.
I criticized that first. But do you agree with me
that the president must believe that Jason Crow was trying
to get him killed for the President to respond.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
That way, I don't know, Dan.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Okay, can you see I mean it's hard for me
to guess his motivations.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Well, let me ask a better question. Let me ask
you a better question, my friend, Jim, and that is,
can you see why President Trump might believe that Jason
Crow was trying to get him killed?
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Well, he might believe a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Jim. Come on, you're a smart guy. Hey, we're all adopt.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
No, it didn't sound that way. It's kind of a
yes or no question. Can you see why President Trump
would believe that Jason Crow was trying to get him
killed with that video? No, okay, so when you've got
but let me ask you about that, Jim, Because you're
president of the United States, you face these two very
major assassination attempts, and then you have a sitting congressman
(21:44):
cut this video, which is implicitly saying to every member
of the military who it's aimed at, that you have
to protect this nation against the sitting president. Don't give
up the ship. And knowing that in any large group
of humans, including the military, there are going to be
some unstable people. You can't see where the president would
think it Crow's trying to motivate some unstable person in
(22:08):
the military to kill me. You think that would be
irrational on the President's part.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Uh? I think that the president? Uh you know, all
they did was reaffirm the Uniform Code of Military Contents.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Come on, Jim, get that scarbage. What do you think?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
What do you think they're Well, then why couldn't they
point to a single unlawful order of Trump's.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
They didn't point to a single but but the courts,
the courts have said that just today that is deployment
of Donald Trump is what's I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Jim to know.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I can't let you do this because I respect you
too much, and I respect me too much, and I
respect the audience too much.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Jim.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
If they can't point to a single unlawful order from
this president, why do the video?
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Uh want he deployed troops to?
Speaker 7 (23:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
No, no, no, Jim. I'm sorry, I'm Jim. Okay, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry to do that to Jim.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I like Jim, but he's not going to answer the
question because it will cause him to lose the argument.
Now it becomes boring for everybody. Yeah, the only logical
answer to my question is they didn't point to any
unlawful order from the president because there.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Has not been one. So they then have some other
motive for cutting that video. What is it? David in Boulder,
You're on the Dan Kapla Show. It's been a long time, Dan, David,
where have you been? My friend?
Speaker 8 (23:37):
I was sick of a dog, a horrible illness.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I have never met a sick dog. I have never
met a sick dog. But we affectionately refer to David
in house here as big butt David. And the reason
we do that we've never met. I have no idea
of your physique, but it's because David will always call
the show, say something nice. We'll get a nice, warm feeling,
and then I'll say, but here's why you're a blank hole.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
So I miss Kelly on the Kelly.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, no, everybody does everybody.
Speaker 8 (24:11):
Well, anyways, give her my best next time you see her.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
But yeah, I'm literally a new man versus a couple
of months ago conversations, and I could not I couldn't help.
But thinking about the end of the first term, General
Milly got in all that trouble right because he was
afraid that Donald Trump was going to go screw loose,
go off the reservation and threaten Shining with the nuclear war.
(24:36):
So it's not like this is a new thing of
his idea that Trump's not quite a rational player in
the whole game.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
It David fatal flaw alert.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Trump didn't do any of that, and and Milly was
exposed at that point of he didn't.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
But the General commander of the United States Military of
the Army all of it. He was afraid of enough
to go behind his back to talk to the Chinese
people to make sure it didn't.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Which clearly showed him to be whack. Four and a
half year old thing, David. It showed him to be whack.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
And and remember the American people elected Trump again after that.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
So, so why do you think, my friend?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
And I'm so glad that this conversation has brought you
off your deathbed hopefully for a long time. But why
why do you think Jason Crowe did not point out
a single unlawful order in a video where he's asking
the military to defy the president.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
I mean, I'm still waiting for my fifty percent energy costs.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Okay, I will medical building, David. Sometimes just say, Dan,
you win. It's not hard to say.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
Always a pleasure to listen to you, ask you, thank
you you and your family for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Thank you to my friend Hope, Hope you are well.
Have you been healthy, Jesse?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
You look for the.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Most part, I've had a you know, a couple of
sniffles here.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
And there, but nothing major.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
The only reason I ask you look very healthy is
that I think since COVID, most people have something all
the time, and and now most people just kind of
forge ahead, and they're comfortable being uncomfortable, and they just
deal with it. I mean, who even gets COVID tests anymore?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I don't know anybody that does.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
They don't do any in the MLB and regular COVID. Yeah, right,
nobody wants to know. Why should you?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, just you know, buckle up and move on. Yeah,
what are you going to do about it? Anyway?
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure at one point in time the
ninety percent of our traveling party had some virus.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
You know what I mean, there's nothing. Yeah, just go
about to move on. You just forge ahead, You just
forge had.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
You think the people who you know, take the wagon
trains and everything across the plains, you think they always
felt like, hey, how you doing this morning?
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Maybe the old Oregon Trail, that's right, they were just tough. Yeah,
you have died of dysentery. What happened to me on
the Orgon Trail video game?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Numerous times you died of dysentery.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Have you ever played that old computer lab game back
in the day and used the goal was to move
your wagon from wherever to down the Organ Trail to
the Organ and then your ox would break a leg
and your traveling party would drowned.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
And yeah, I don't even want to ask about the
graphics on that particular death anyway. Speaking of death, President
must obviously believe that Jason Crowe is trying to get
him killed. The President today responding seditious behavior punishable by death.
(27:36):
Why do you think Crowe did this? What do you
think of the President's response? Do you think Crow is
going to come on this show? You're on the Dan
kapla show that Jesse does all of the Rockies broadcast,
so it's always fun to talk to Jesse and catch up.
We hope to have George Brockler with us shortly. In
the meantime, let me go to our jam phone lines. Bert,
(28:01):
would you be kind enough to hold on a second.
I had intruded on George's day to see if he
could help us out today.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
All raight, How you doing, my friend?
Speaker 7 (28:10):
I'm good, sir, Thanks for having me a good show.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Great, hey, and thank you thanks for popping on. Obviously
you have served this country, you know, so nobly and bravely.
I just want to get your take on the latest
with Jason Crow and the President's response today. Quote seditious
behavior punishable by death. Where do you see this thing
right now? Where do you think it's going?
Speaker 7 (28:33):
I'm disappointed here, But let me get to the president's
thing once again. Our commander in chief has bet on
nineteen right, like he's gonna win this hand. He just
has to do something just slightly more conservative. And had
he taken that much more high brow approach to say,
this is the kind of talk that endangers troops both
(28:54):
here and abroad. Had he been that kind of a
commander in chief, I really do think it would have
been ten times more embarrassing and shameful for Crow and
the crew. But you know, you don't become president listening
to my advice. So you know he did exactly what
he did. And I will say this, the irony of
it is the defense that Crow has put on the
nonsense that he put in that video is we were
(29:16):
just advising the soldiers of the law, and to some extent,
that's all Trump is doing too. If you engage in sedition,
one of the possible penalties could be something super severent.
I don't agree with that here. I don't think it
applies here. But the overall thing that bothered me most
about what Crow has done is he knows better. I
(29:37):
have defended this guy on social media for years when
people call him trader and.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
This and that.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
Dude's a straight up patriot, right, Like he deployed twice
to war and not in some rear echelon thing. This
guy was an airborne ranger legitsating, so he knows better.
And if his folks were going to deploy to war
and some stranger, some state legislator or other per came
into his unit before they got on that plane and
(30:02):
flew over and said, just so you know, super urgent,
this administration is pitting you guys against Americans. This is
a stressful time. We know the pressure on you. I mean,
there are all words from his video and they said
at one point America trusts you, but they may not
in the future that trust is at risk. Are the
words of use. If you had someone climbing onto your
(30:23):
plane as you're getting ready to the ploint and say that,
Crow would have had that guy thrown out of the plane,
whether it was on the ground or I was born right,
because you simply can't inject doubt into your troops in
the chain of command. The chain of command is the
only thing we can rely upon when decisions seem like
they're questionable, they're tough, they're life risking. You have to
(30:45):
trust your chain of command. And these guys, these men
and women who know better, use their positions to come
out and say, doubt your chain of command.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, the orders you receive.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
And I think you're one hundred percent right about Jason
Crow's extraordinary courage when he served in our armed forces.
And I think Representative E Like Crane, a former Navy seal,
is one hundred percent right when he says Jason Crow
is acting like a coward right now. So why do
you think Crow's doing it? What's his endgame?
Speaker 7 (31:14):
That's a tough one if it was just Crow. My
sense of Crow is this so far is he's desperate
to be relevant at the national level. And so if
you look at what he's done in the last week
or two, he had that super sweet spread from the
New York Times about how Jason Crowe maybe he's the
guy of the future of the party man. Instantly he
starts leaving the state of Colorado so that he can
go help the political cause for future House members in
(31:37):
New Hampshire and Arizona. And other states. He called it
like Crow's Tour or something like that, and so this
happens towards the tail end of that. And my sense
is this is a guy who wants to be a
name that's talked about in the future of the party,
whether it's leadership in the House or some other bigger position,
and this is his play to do it.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
George Brockler, our guest, You may well be right, but
I have to assume he doesn't have the courage to
come on this show. But I have to assume he
as a very intelligent person. So he must have known,
in my opinion, that this video would create grave danger
for the president. I mean, to me, the implicit message
to all the members of the military is you have
(32:17):
to protect this nation from the commander in chief, and
to ask them to defy quote unlawful orders but not
identify a single unlawful order. Seems to me he had
to know that was going to create some danger.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Of course he did, and if he didn't, it's even worse.
Right like that makes this guy incompetent, reckless, if that's
the truth. But I don't think he's that way. I
think he knew what he was doing. But when you
use language in that video, and you know all of
them read the same speech and they just spliced it up.
When you say this administration is pitting you against American citizens,
(32:54):
what do you hope the outcome is? What do you think?
And to build it all the language of urgency right now,
right here, And there's never been a time like this.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
It's like what And let me ask you about something
you and I were texting about and we both had.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
The same thought, I.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Think at the same time, is and telling these people,
telling the members of the military, we have your back.
At that point, I don't know what your conclusion is,
but to me that he can't possibly believe that he
does have their back. What's he going to do for
(33:29):
people then, who are in a court martialed because they
defy in order?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
What's he going to do for them? So why does
he tell them, hey, go ahead, do it, we have
your back when he has to know that isn't true.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
It absolutely can't be true procedurally and legally. And for
a guy who claims to be a lawyer and wanting
to advise soldiers about the law, that's what he said
he was doing, how is he going to respond to
that letter from a guy that said, Hey, I was
a ten year service member. I followed your advice. I
disobeyed an order I thought was illegal. They court martialed me,
(34:04):
Me and my family lost all my benefits. I got
a dishonorable discharge. Please help me.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
What is he going to do?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Right?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Is he going to buy him a house? Is he
going to get him out of jail? Is he going
to unwind the dishonorable discharge? So it seems to me
that Crow had to know that was false at the
time he said it. So he's trying to induce these
young men and women, many of them, you know, to
defy their commander in chief with a promise Crow will
then take care of him.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
So I think they want someone to do this more
than someone so that they can rally them to some
political public event where they can say, see, Trump has
lost the trust of his men and women in uniform,
then now openly defying his illegal.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Acts, and we're here to support.
Speaker 7 (34:50):
They're trying to foment this sort of If it's not insurrection,
it's something in the zip code.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I mean, it's just awful.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
George, Thank you for the time.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Great as always, George Brockler followed him on X Jesse,
so great to work with you today. Jesse thomasin for Ryan,
who's off at another speaking engagement as he should be. Hey,
thanks for your time today. Please join us tomorrow on
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