Will President Trump's 100 hour whirlwind tour of peace talks with Vladimir Putin in Alaska and Volodomyr Zelensky in Washington, D.C. propel the the two warring nations, Russia and Ukraine, toward a lasting peace accord?
Jill Osa joins Dan, detailing the steps taken by Shelly Bradbury of The Denver Post - and possibly a conspiracy of dunces - in an effort to dox her personal information and enter it into the public sphere for left-wing lunatics to prey upon, and put Jill and her family in the crosshairs.
Jill Osa joins Dan, detailing the steps taken by Shelly Bradbury of The Denver Post - and possibly a conspiracy of dunces - in an effort to dox her personal information and enter it into the public sphere for left-wing lunatics to prey upon, and put Jill and her family in the crosshairs.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
What a beautiful day.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
To fight for truth justice in the American way. Wow,
what a day Zelenski at the White House, and really
want to talk about what is to come now because
this is obviously about to happen one way or the other, right,
and we'll play a lot of the hot sound. It
was such a fascinating day there. But I think it's
shaped up right now in a very very clear way.
(00:38):
And Trump has made it clear that Putin either does
the deal or the US comes in on the side
of Ukraine, and it's about to get a lot worse
for Russia. That doesn't mean American boots on the ground
never should be. I don't expect there ever will be
in Ukraine, and that is a good thing. What it
means is is the US, which means Trump the tip
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of the spear, is going to become as actively involved
as possible on the side of Ukraine. Short of boots
on the ground, and so we're about to find out
together whether that scares Putin enough to force him to
do a deal. The rough outlines of a deal, I
think are very clear to you and me and anybody
else paying attention right now. You know, with some quibbling
(01:22):
over exactly what the security guarantee would look like, you
know how close to a NATO presence it would look
like or not. But I think what it really comes
down to is just that you know whether Putin is
afraid enough now of Ukraine's effort being vastly strengthened with
much more US involvement, that he will he will get
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the deal done. Three or three seven one three eight
two five five the number text d A N five
seven seven three nine. Of course a big feature today
Chilloso with us at four point thirty six and I
cannot wait for this. And we've talked a lot about
this on the show, and that is do Better Denver
which is this platform, this account on acts that just details.
(02:06):
It's crowdsourced, right so people can send in their video
their other information about denver In Decline, denver In Decay
and get the full truth out there. Because much of
the media will not do that right, and so I
think they've been doing a great public service. I'm not
saying everything they've ever put up is accurate. I don't
think there's ever been a media outlet in history where
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everything was accurate. There's always going to be some human error.
But do Better Denver I think serves a tremendous purpose.
And then we talked at length where Denver Post came
out with this big piece that outed these three women,
probably completely private people, who are just contributors to do
Better Denver and then they get outed by the Post
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in a piece then where the Post brings in some
quote expert to talk about how oh no, no, no,
they're they're partial public figures or whatever that goo goofy
terminology was, so they can be they can be publicized,
and yeah, they're going to be subject to threats maybe,
but that should be expected.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I mean, just crazy stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I've never seen anything like it before in the media,
in my constitutionally protected opinion, A brazen attempt to intimidate
anybody who would contribute to do.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Better Denver out of doing so.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And so yeah, really bothers me on multiple levels.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
And so talked with Jill off Air.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
She's one of the three women obviously who was outed
in this piece. And I was very, very impressed in
our off air conversation. So look forward to having her
today at four thirty six, and I think you really
enjoy hearing from her directly, and then also about information
she provided the Post reporter that what do you know
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didn't make it into the piece.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Wonder why not?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
So jill Osa at four thirty six, and it takes
great courage for her to do what she's doing.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
So grateful to her for being with us. Now, before
we get into all this life.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Death, world peace stuff of the day, nothing I think
can top this Ryan, which is a lot to say
on a day like today, but not cut twelve.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
This is James Kobe.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I mean, sit back and think about the fact this
guy was the FBI director. He was the FBI director,
my protected opinion helped try to pull off this coup
of Donald Trump with the Russia hoax. But this guy
who held this pinnacle of power and had this extraordinarily
positive image and for a time with me as well,
(04:43):
here's who the real James Comy is. Cut twelve place.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
We can't stop people from being jerks. What we can
do is stop it from hurting us, from changing us.
At my second Taylor Swift concert in Hartford, Connecticut, fourteen
years ago this she sang a song about this topic,
asking why you got to be so mean? And she
(05:08):
spoke directly to the nasty people. I bet you got
pushed around. Somebody made you cold. But the cycle ends
right now because you can't leave me down that road,
You'll be glad.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I didn't sing that.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
That's right because down that road is unhappiness. Nobody should
have that power over us. Thank you, Taylor Swift, Keep
the faith.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I mean, how you have to be so mean? Does
it qualify is mean? Ryan?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
To try to pull a coup against an elected American president?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Does that qualify as mean?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Because, as I said at the time, call me was
part of that Call me I sat there, Ryan, this
is how what a great blessed life I have. On
my wife's birthday, we took a trip to the here
on Capitol Hill where call mey came in, and I
saw a shift there and the whole gang of them
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where call me came in. And remember that big dramatic
announcement that the President of the United States was now
under investigation by the FBI.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I was there, My wife was there on her birthday.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Car was there, Joe was there, This guy was part
of he was at the center of this whole coup attempt.
But that doesn't qualify as mean, right, What would Taylor say?
Do you think she would say that qualifies as mean?
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Well, she tried to get political there a little bit.
She wasn't afraid to wait into those waters. And James
call mey obviously a fanboy of Taylor swept, even surpassing
Dan Kaplis's allegiance.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Well, when you wait a second, whole different categories, my brother,
I mean whole different categories. There's a history I won't
belabor here, but it goes back. This has been a
major father daughter Yeah. I think I've shown you the picture, Caroll.
I was so young, what was she seven? And we
were ad a Taylor Swift concert. The stage looked like
it was at a in a high school gym. So
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we've been going this father daughter thing to her concerts,
you know. Now she's just turned twenty five, So that's
my thing with Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Do I like her music?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, I think she's got a lot of great music.
Call me, I don't know you do you think he
was impaired during that video? Do you think he's having
a break? What's going on there?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
It definitely comes across as creepy and weird. The way
that he doesn't like the story you tell is it's heartwarming.
It's your daughter, It's a special thing that you have
with Caroline. For him, it's just I like Taylor Swift
and I listened to her lyrics.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
You know, why does it even make that video?
Speaker 5 (07:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, maybe it's a competence thing, right, maybe, Hey, they
can't charge me if I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Not competent to stand trial.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
But let's get let's get some of that Selen's key
sound from today, cut thirteen.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Please, President Zelensky.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Are you prepared to keep any true to their death
for another couple of years or are you going to
re draw maps?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Thank you for your questions.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
So, first of all, you know we live under each
day test. You know that today have been a lot
of tests and a lot of wounded people. And the
child was that small one one one year and a half.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
So we need to stop this word, to stop Russia,
and we need support American and European brothers, and we
will do our best for this so, and I think
we show that we.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Are strong people and we supported the idea of the
United States of personally President Trump to stop this work,
to make a diplomatic way of finishing this war, and
we are ready for trilateral as presidents.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
This is a good thing about I think this is
very good.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
See that is so big, right, you're President Zelenski saying,
whoa wait a second.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I want Trump at the table. I want this to
be a three way.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I want it to be putent Trump and me because,
as Zelensky knows, at that point, it's the US v Russia, right,
because you know that is where the power is. That's
the game changer, not boots on the ground. There's zero
chance of that, right, but that's the game changer. So
I think what that means as we hit this break,
then love to hear your thoughts. Three oh three seven
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one three eight two five five the number text d
A N five seven seven three nine. I think what
it means is clearly President Zelensky has given Trump assurances
that Zelensky will agree to the kind of deal Trump wants,
the kind of boundaries.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
That the kind of.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Capitulation on land that that Trump wants as long as
America a Is is willing to provide a security guarantee
which would involve boots on the ground in a peacekeeping role,
but also b is willing to come in big. If
Putin says no, you're on the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
So we say defensive terrain and that belt is it
is significant, not just that he's going to struggle or
take it, but it opens the pathway. And Martha said,
this the pathway to Kharkey because it's all open farmland.
And while you can defend that, it's not very defensible
for all the obvious reasons of it's flat and open,
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and you can't use the terrain to protect you other
than fortress yourself into the ground. When you have these
five cities that are in the fortress belt, you use
the cities themselves to help forces you and then fighting
inside those cities is the toughest form of warfare there is.
So giving it up is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, that's General Jack Keen on Fox talking about, Hey,
it'd be a very very big deal for Ukraine to
have to give up this down Bass region, including those
five cities. You heard them to it as the Fortress belts.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So yeah, we'll see where this goes.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
But obviously Trump and his team have decided on a
plan that should be acceptable to both sides, and he's
made it clear he's willing to come in big on
the side of Ukraine if Putin won't do the deal.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
And Jee the President suggest.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
A meeting, maybe as early as Friday, so I'm not
expecting that to happen, but obviously he wants to strike.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Hey, Jiel is going to join us, Jillos is going
to join us at four point thirty six. I really
hope you can be here for that, because again, this
is wonderful.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
You know Mom, she's a stay at home mom.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
She contributes to do Better Denver. And then the Denver
Post decided they were going to out her. They were
going to out her and.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Two other women.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Talk about the war on women, two other women who
are just doing public records requests to contribute to do
better Denver. And think of the irony there that the
Denver Post is going after completely private people, women who
are doing public records request. I mean, that's like responsible
citizenship working through the system submitting these requests, so the
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city has to give up records that the law says
they have to give up.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
These aren't people who are sitting in the bushes.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Outside Mike Johnston's house and popping up when he walks
out to his next big liberal fundraiser.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
They're just Norman Rockwell would paint a picture of this woman.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
And the Denver Post is going after, you know, And
my belief is to send a message to everybody.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Who would contribute to Do Better Denver.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
My hope is that has just cost more people to
follow Do Better Denver on x and to contribute to
Do Better Denver. I love the idea of it being crowdsourced,
and I'm sure the Post isn't thrilled with that either. Listen,
they have some great journalists at the Posts and people
I really respect. But as an industry, I don't think
the mainstream media is thrilled with what technology is doing.
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Where now you can have a site like do Better Denver,
you can get the crowdsourcing, you can get all this
real time and other information coming in, and then people
can see a lot of the things that a lot
of the mainstream media don't want to report, right because
they want to keep their access to the mayor and
to other city officials and to the governors.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
So I think it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
In Jillo's very courageous will join us at four three six.
In the meantime, we're talking about historic, yes, historic, Selensky
wearing a suit, or what i'd consider.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
To be a suit.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I know there's some debate behind the glass over there
about whether it's actually a suit, but it was certainly
much different than he wore last time. And you hear
what the President said, guys, when I know you didn
Selensky pulled up.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Which is I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Sat a nice tone to start the day. All right,
let me get you some more of this hot video
for the day. I just I've got to play this one.
Not that it matters because and I don't mean this
in a personal way, but Jason Crow is obviously kind
of irrelevant when it comes to Colorado politics. He's he's
got nowhere to go upward in Colorado politics, right, just
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because of the nature of the Democratic Party in Colorado.
Suite just says the craziest stuff just to get press.
It's like Madonna in her naked posing with animal days.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
So cut one.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Please, us in the secretary have a point that it
has to be hammered out the negotiating table.
Speaker 9 (14:25):
You know, this absolutely will end at a negotiating table,
like most conflicts will. But what happened on Friday was
a historic embarrassment for the United States.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
There's no other way to put it.
Speaker 9 (14:36):
You listen to what Marco Rubio and the President have said.
They keep on saying, they're dedicating time, they're making it
a priority, They're focusing their attention on it. In any negotiation,
when you're trying to end an armed conflict, there's nothing
more important than understanding what motivates your adversary, What is
making Vladimir Putin tick in this instance?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Wow, So this is what I'm talking about, Right?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
You remember that, right, Ryan, when Madonna was so desperate
for relevance that she started doing naked pictures with animals,
and Crow has reached that point. So the way he
gets any airtime here is willing to say things like
historic embarrassment for the United States. Really, did he say
anything like that? Did he say anything like that when
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Joe Biden? When Joe Biden humiliated America in the free world?
But by the way, he surrendered to the Taliban. Did
we hear that language from Jason Crow? You know, how
about the horrific raping and murder of Ukraine that started
because of the weakness of Joe Biden. Did we hear
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anything like this from Jason Crow toward Joe Biden. No,
he just says this crazy stuff, which is why we
needed to play that, just to make the point total
phony on this absolute total phony. So again, Joe also
coming up at four thirty six, I hope you're here
for that, and then we're going to have lots more
of this hot sound from the day. Do we have
(16:04):
time to squeeze in this Bolton cut because I want
to come back to it later in the hour cut
eight team.
Speaker 10 (16:09):
Please, I can't wait till the MAGA base. Here's that
Donald Trump has committed American combat forces US forces against
Russian forces on the line in Ukraine if the Russians
violate the ceasefire, one nuclear power directly against another nuclear power.
I don't think that's what they signed up for with
Donald Trump, and I don't think he's necessarily thought through
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that implication either. He wants a Nobel Peace Prize and
he wants it now. So he's willing to say a
lot of things. He didn't really commit to anything. You
could have all kinds of US troops in Ukraine as
we did before the invasion. We had trained and assist missions.
They weren't there to fight anybody. They were there to
train the Ukrainians. That's very different from a combat force.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
You know, that's so sad because I can remember John
Bolton sitting in the studio with me, that that very
studio in Denver that we often broadcast from, and I
think he's just gotten so caught up in this personal
battle with Trump that it just interferes with his analysis.
Now he raises a fair question there, you know, what
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will the base? What will the base think of any
security guarantees for Ukraine that involve US troops on the
ground prepared to fight if Russia breaks the truth? Now,
President Trump hasn't committed to that, and it wouldn't be
a truce at that point, it would actually be a
peace agreement. Trump hasn't committed to that, but would you
support it? So we'll get to that now. I don't
(17:36):
want to waste your time calling in on that topic,
as much as I want to hear from you on
that it'll have to be a bit later in the show,
but I wanted to plant the question now because we
have this great guest.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Coming up at four point thirty six.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I mean, as I said earlier, Norman Rockwell would paint
her just a mom, a housewife, you know, submitting public
records requests, gathering information, just helping to tell all the
truth about the failure of leftist rule in Denver, the
failure of the Johnston administration. Her focus what's really going
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on in the city. So this truth teller will be
with us at four thirty six. Has a fascinating story
of what's motivated her and what she told the Posts
that it left out of the story when it decided
to out her here on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
You're listening to The Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Boy, I've been looking forward to this conversation for a
long time.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I've spoken with Jilloso off air after this big story broke.
I call it a scandal because I think what the
Post did was scandalous, and I say that with the
heavy heart because I respect a lot of people there.
The Post has been a big part of Colorado for
a long time, but what they did to Jill and
to these other women perfectly totally private people who are
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just doing public records requests to contribute to do Better Denver,
which speaks a lot of truth about the decay in Denver.
The post deciding to out them, I thought, was just
one of the worst things I've ever seen in Colorado journalism,
and in my opinion, meant to intimidate and scare others
out of contributing to do Better Denver.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
That's my read on it. Jill, Welcome to the Dan
Kaplas Show.
Speaker 11 (19:22):
Hey, Dan, thanks so much for having me on today.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Well, thanks for what you're doing and thanks for coming on.
I really enjoyed our off air conversation. So if we may,
let's just start by talking about you a little bit.
If you would tell people as much as you're comfortable
about yourself and why you decided to contribute to do
Better Denver.
Speaker 11 (19:43):
Yeah, I'm a mom of two young kids and my
husband and I grew up in Denver in the suburbs,
and after college, I purchased a home off of I
twenty five in the al that I lived in until
my husband and I got married, and at which time
we turned it into and we love Colorado. We've always
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hoped to get back there. So we have a very
vested interest in the city and the state as a whole.
And on August seventh, twenty twenty three, I received a
text message that the mayor was going to put a
micro community behind our rental home. And so all that
would have separated our house from the micro community was
just a wooden fance that was six feet tall. And
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I did not feel that that was an appropriate site
for a micro community, especially because in some of his
town halls he said that these communities don't belong in neighborhoods,
they belong in light industrial or commercial areas. And so
I couldn't understand why he would possibly have chosen the
site behind our rental home as a site for a
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micro community. And so I came out to Colorado, tried
to talk to him, tried to talk to some of
his administration, but we were just met with gaslighting. And
and so that's how I actually started doing core requests
because I was on a hunt for information about the
house one thousand initiatives.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, God love you, right, and this whole line of
attack that, oh you live in wherever it is, out
of state and therefore you have no right to be
doing these things.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Wait a second, why not.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I don't care where anybody is in the country or
what their motive may be, as long as it's legal.
If we're talking about the mayor of a major city,
and we're talking about the failing of a major city
and people want to go out and tell the truth,
why should anybody have a.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Beef with that?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
But you've actually got pretty significant skin in the game,
or you did with this rental p So then you
decide to get involved and you're doing these public records requests,
and then what happens next? How in the world do
you end up in contact with the Denver Post reporter.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (21:57):
So, throughout the time when I found out about the
micro communities until the article came out, I did roughly
fifty core requests on my own, twelve of which ended
up on Do Better Denver, some of which I had
just sent to her because I said, hey, this is interesting,
take a look at it. And a couple she did
ask me to do the core requests for her, and
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I don't see a reason that that would be a problem,
because quite frankly, I became the Cora Lady amongst the
Yale micro community site, Neighbors, and amongst a couple other
micro community sites, and so I've helped a number of
people conductchor requests, so I really didn't think that it
was an issue. And so Do Better Denver posted those
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corera requests and it resulted in zero point five percent
of the total posts that she's made. And so from that,
Shelley Bradberry and LeeAnne Colachoppo, the editor in chief of
the Denver posts, have labeled me a contributor to Do
Better Denver, which I find comical.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Well, take it as a compliment, right, because Do Better Denver,
in my opinion, is a very valuable asset to anybody
who wants the full truth told about Denver.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So yeah, take it as a compliment.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
But I get the context of what you're saying, which
is they're giving you this label then to try to
justify making your.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Name public when you did not want it to be.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
And I want to get to that in a second,
but j'll os our guest now, Joe, tell us this
important backstory about you owning this rental property at I
twenty five in jail and Mayor Johnston was going to
have one of these micro communities built right behind your
back fence?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Did that get a lot of play in that post piece?
Speaker 11 (23:51):
It didn't get a single word?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And Shelly the story.
Speaker 11 (23:58):
She was told fully why I conducted core request, why
I sent what I sent to do better Denver, my
involvement in the city of Denver, and the fact that
I had grown up there, and that wasn't important to her.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
What whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Wait a second, So your reason for doing this was
left out of the story.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I don't know how that could be anyway.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Wow, Okay, So apparently the Post didn't want its readers
to know why you cared about Denver, why you cared
about the feelings of the Johnston administration. I guess the
Post thought that wouldn't be important to anybody in deciding
how to.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
View you in this.
Speaker 11 (24:51):
I would agree with you, Dan, And it's surprising to
me because the Society of Professional Journalists emphasizes how important
context is in journalism, and when context is not given,
it paints a totally different story.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Well, especially when it's on purpose. Who what where? Or when? How? Why?
Wh why?
Speaker 9 (25:15):
Right?
Speaker 1 (25:15):
That's that's what readers are going to ask themselves first
they're going to say, why in the world is the
Post outing these private people? But second, okay, why do
these people want to do this? And the fact that
you have this very important, legitimate interest seems like it
should have been a center of the story. But Joe,
can you stay with us another segment?
Speaker 11 (25:38):
I can stay for about five more minutes.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Okay, Well, let's do this.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Let's don't tell management, let's push along on this break,
let's let's just let's let's just power through here.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Jill, We're so happy to have you.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
So okay, So then the Post reporter calls you and
then did you ask the Post reporter not to use
your name?
Speaker 9 (26:00):
Yes?
Speaker 11 (26:00):
And we sent a number of or sorry, I sent
a number of emails on behalf of the three women,
the three of us who were written about in the story,
outlining fully my participation in sending a core request to
do better Denver and the reason why behind it. And
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also we included why it would be important not to
publish identifying details about us because the account has received
death threats and as a mom of young children, it's
very unnerving when you see your personal information published online
with people offering to share Zillah links to your house.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
And what were you told them? What did the Post
reporters say? What's their justification then? In view of that,
which I'm sure the Post reporter found to be legitimate, Right,
that's just unfortunately the way of the world.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
There are a lot of nuts out there, a lot
of nuts out there who, if they get green lighted,
might do something horrible. So what was their rationale for
publishing your name? What?
Speaker 11 (27:09):
Honically, at this point, they haven't given us a rationale
for why they published our names. And you know what
my name is, fair dame. I'm just going to put
that out there. I did core requests. I never expected
to hide behind them. They're public documents and so obviously
the actual requests themselves become public documents. I never expected
(27:29):
them to be weaponized in this manner, and I think
it's sends a really dangerous message to anyone else who'd
like to conduct core requests.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Well, I think it's, my opinion, a free, intentional message, right, like,
don't do this unless you want to end up like
Jill with your name out there. And then the Post
brings in this so called expert to say I think
the term was partial public figure or some goofy made
up thing like that, and then to have the expert
talk about, oh yeah, and you know, threats are just
(27:58):
part of the business.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Now.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
In my constitutionally protected opinion, that seemed like very blatant
intimidation to me.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I'm not saying what they did to you was illegal.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
But it seems like pretty blatant intimidation, not just to you,
but to everybody out there who might contribute to Do
Better Denver.
Speaker 11 (28:19):
Absolutely, and critics of us and our participation and Do
Better Denver have said, you know that we deserve this
because we participated in an account that posts pictures of
other people. But the thing is is, I don't think
any Do Better Denver considers herself an anonymous or not
an anonymous sorry, a citizen journalist, and so I don't
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think that any journalists would ever say I'm going to
put all my sources out there, the anonymous ones, the
non anonymous ones, right and just have a free for
all around it. There's a reason that we were sources
to Do Better Denver. We had a concern in the
city and we provided that information to her, never expecting
that our names will be out like this.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Well, and I know you have to go. But two
big things I'm sure on people's minds. First, what was
the nature of your core request? In second, are you
still a contributor?
Speaker 11 (29:15):
The nature of my core requests that were sent to
do better Denver revolved around spending at the shelters and
the migrant shelters and the homeless shelters, secret meetings that
were happening to try to convince people near micro communities
that they were a good idea by stakeholders. I have
(29:37):
even done core requests about the gas station zoning because
after they tried to put a micro community there, they
tried to put a quick trip gas station there. And
thankfully the zoning laws have changed now. But my cores
that I've conducted are a wide array of things, not
just related to homelessness in Denver.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Well, God love you for it. Are you still a contributor?
Speaker 11 (30:01):
I have not contributed since this article went out, and
I am considering what that looks like in the future,
whether it's the information that I decided to put out
on my own or if I'm going to share it,
which better her.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I just want to say, listen, I have so much
respect for you, and as a son of a woman
who just got very involved in her community, and she
was fearless and and didn't care if the mayor's office
got mad at her.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
She was going to get the truth out there.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I just I respect you, respect what you've been doing,
and wish you all the best.
Speaker 11 (30:37):
Thanks, Dan, and I hope to have more on this
than the future for you. Guys.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Hey, we will be here a wide open door for you.
Speaker 11 (30:45):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Have a great day you too. That is Jillosa, glad
you joined us. Want to get your reaction. You're on
the Dan Capless Show.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
And now back to the Dankapless Show podcast.
Speaker 10 (30:57):
I can't wait till the mag of Base here that
Donald Trump has committed American combat forces US forces against
Russian forces on the line in Ukraine if the Russians
violate the ceasefire, one nuclear power directly against another nuclear power.
I don't think that's what they signed up for with
Donald Trump, and I don't think he's necessarily thought through
(31:18):
that implication either. He wants a Nobel Peace Prize and
he wants it now, so he's willing to say a
lot of things. He didn't really commit to anything. You
could have all kinds of US troops in Ukraine as
we did before the invasion. We had trained and assist missions.
They weren't there to fight anybody. They were there to
train the Ukrainians. That's very different from a combat force.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
So interesting John Bolton, you know who again has been
in the Denver studio with me, and I just think
he's another one of these people who've done a lot
of great things for the country over time, but then
when they got in a urinating match with Trump, it
became personal and then a lot of that stuff goes
out the windows.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
So he does ask a fair question there.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I'll be interested to see you know that the reaction
of the base and the Trump base, of course enormously
large right now, right with all of the success as
to if in the end the deal shapes up that
way with US troops actually committed to fight for Ukraine,
if Russia violates the treaty, you know what the reaction
(32:21):
would be. I'd love to get your take on that.
Three H three someone three A two five five the number. Now, again,
it's not at all clear that that is how US
troops would be deployed in Ukraine under this agreement that
I think is clearly taking shape right now. And the
only question is whether Putin's going to take it or not,
or some version of it. I do want to get
(32:42):
to some calls in some text following up to the
Jillosa interview a second to go again, she's one of
these brave women who have been contributing to do better Denver.
That very valuable account on x If you don't follow it,
I hope you do an Instagram as well. And so
Denver Post decided to publish name, even though she asked
them now to She's been a completely private person, but
(33:04):
they did it anyway. I think my opinion meant to
intimidate she and others who would contribute to do better
Denver because guess what, that isn't exactly good for the
Johnston administration to have the full truth out there. So
your reaction to that, we have some text, Dan, wake up.
Colorado newspapers are COMMI liberal owned. I do not believe
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their communists owned it all. Obviously, you know, the Denver
Post is a hard left of center newspaper. I have
great respect for some of the people there as journalists,
but that's where they are ideologically, and God love them,
God love them. Let's get all points of view out
there and have the great debate. Just keep it off
the newspages, keep it on the editorial pages, and don't
(33:48):
do stuff like this, you know, to try to intimidate dissent.
So yeah, no problem with them having a left of
center ideology, or if someone wants to say further left,
no credible case can be made that it's communist. I
don't think any credible case can be made that the
Denver Post ideology is socialist. I think it's just you
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know where the modern Democratic Party is right now, which
is hard left, and I don't think the Post ideology
is as hard left as the Colorado Democratic Party, which
is now starting to get more solidly into that socialist category.
I'm not calling them socialists, but we can see where
the Colorado Democratic Party's going. Dan always send for your
(34:32):
requests through and then it says something like proton mail,
encryptid etc. Listen, I've done so many CORR requests over
the years. I don't know if you can do that
or not, because I never do right. It's just straight up, okay,
here's what it is. Give me what the law requires.
I'll take you to court. And I've gone to court
several times. At this point, you know, to enforce corror requests,
and God love these women thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
These are private women. She's a housewife, a mom, a
stay at home mom.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
She's working through the law, through the for a process,
and they use that to outer and publish your name
when she doesn't want to because she's concerned about personal safety.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Madness.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I just hope even more people follow do better Denver
and support that effort.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Hey, when we come back, would you support US troops
in Ukraine. You're on the dan kaplal ship.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
What a beautiful day.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
To fight for truth justice in the American way. Wow,
what a day Zelenski at the White House, and really
want to talk about what is to come now because
this is obviously about to happen one way or the other, right,
and we'll play a lot of the hot sound. It
was such a fascinating day there. But I think it's
shaped up right now in a very very clear way.
(00:38):
And Trump has made it clear that Putin either does
the deal or the US comes in on the side
of Ukraine, and it's about to get a lot worse
for Russia. That doesn't mean American boots on the ground
never should be. I don't expect there ever will be
in Ukraine, and that is a good thing. What it
means is is the US, which means Trump the tip
(01:00):
of the spear, is going to become as actively involved
as possible on the side of Ukraine. Short of boots
on the ground, and so we're about to find out
together whether that scares Putin enough to force him to
do a deal. The rough outlines of a deal, I
think are very clear to you and me and anybody
else paying attention right now. You know, with some quibbling
(01:22):
over exactly what the security guarantee would look like, you
know how close to a NATO presence it would look
like or not. But I think what it really comes
down to is just that you know whether Putin is
afraid enough now of Ukraine's effort being vastly strengthened with
much more US involvement, that he will he will get
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the deal done. Three or three seven one three eight
two five five the number text d A N five
seven seven three nine. Of course a big feature today
Chilloso with us at four point thirty six and I
cannot wait for this. And we've talked a lot about
this on the show, and that is do Better Denver
which is this platform, this account on acts that just details.
(02:06):
It's crowdsourced, right so people can send in their video
their other information about denver In Decline, denver In Decay
and get the full truth out there. Because much of
the media will not do that right, and so I
think they've been doing a great public service. I'm not
saying everything they've ever put up is accurate. I don't
think there's ever been a media outlet in history where
(02:29):
everything was accurate. There's always going to be some human error.
But do Better Denver I think serves a tremendous purpose.
And then we talked at length where Denver Post came
out with this big piece that outed these three women,
probably completely private people, who are just contributors to do
Better Denver and then they get outed by the Post
(02:53):
in a piece then where the Post brings in some
quote expert to talk about how oh no, no, no,
they're they're partial public figures or whatever that goo goofy
terminology was, so they can be they can be publicized,
and yeah, they're going to be subject to threats maybe,
but that should be expected.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I mean, just crazy stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I've never seen anything like it before in the media,
in my constitutionally protected opinion, A brazen attempt to intimidate
anybody who would contribute to do.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Better Denver out of doing so.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And so yeah, really bothers me on multiple levels.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
And so talked with Jill off Air.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
She's one of the three women obviously who was outed
in this piece. And I was very, very impressed in
our off air conversation. So look forward to having her
today at four thirty six, and I think you really
enjoy hearing from her directly, and then also about information
she provided the Post reporter that what do you know
(03:54):
didn't make it into the piece.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Wonder why not?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
So jill Osa at four thirty six, and it takes
great courage for her to do what she's doing.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
So grateful to her for being with us. Now, before
we get into all this life.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Death, world peace stuff of the day, nothing I think
can top this Ryan, which is a lot to say
on a day like today, but not cut twelve.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
This is James Kobe.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I mean, sit back and think about the fact this
guy was the FBI director. He was the FBI director,
my protected opinion helped try to pull off this coup
of Donald Trump with the Russia hoax. But this guy
who held this pinnacle of power and had this extraordinarily
positive image and for a time with me as well,
(04:43):
here's who the real James Comy is. Cut twelve place.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
We can't stop people from being jerks. What we can
do is stop it from hurting us, from changing us.
At my second Taylor Swift concert in Hartford, Connecticut, fourteen
years ago this she sang a song about this topic,
asking why you got to be so mean? And she
(05:08):
spoke directly to the nasty people. I bet you got
pushed around. Somebody made you cold. But the cycle ends
right now because you can't leave me down that road,
You'll be glad.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I didn't sing that.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
That's right because down that road is unhappiness. Nobody should
have that power over us. Thank you, Taylor Swift, Keep
the faith.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I mean, how you have to be so mean? Does
it qualify is mean? Ryan?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
To try to pull a coup against an elected American president?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Does that qualify as mean?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Because, as I said at the time, call me was
part of that Call me I sat there, Ryan, this
is how what a great blessed life I have. On
my wife's birthday, we took a trip to the here
on Capitol Hill where call mey came in, and I
saw a shift there and the whole gang of them
(06:06):
where call me came in. And remember that big dramatic
announcement that the President of the United States was now
under investigation by the FBI.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I was there, My wife was there on her birthday.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Car was there, Joe was there, This guy was part
of he was at the center of this whole coup attempt.
But that doesn't qualify as mean, right, What would Taylor say?
Do you think she would say that qualifies as mean?
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Well, she tried to get political there a little bit.
She wasn't afraid to wait into those waters. And James
call mey obviously a fanboy of Taylor swept, even surpassing
Dan Kaplis's allegiance.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Well, when you wait a second, whole different categories, my brother,
I mean whole different categories. There's a history I won't
belabor here, but it goes back. This has been a
major father daughter Yeah. I think I've shown you the picture, Caroll.
I was so young, what was she seven? And we
were ad a Taylor Swift concert. The stage looked like
it was at a in a high school gym. So
(07:08):
we've been going this father daughter thing to her concerts,
you know. Now she's just turned twenty five, So that's
my thing with Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Do I like her music?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, I think she's got a lot of great music.
Call me, I don't know you do you think he
was impaired during that video? Do you think he's having
a break? What's going on there?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
It definitely comes across as creepy and weird. The way
that he doesn't like the story you tell is it's heartwarming.
It's your daughter, It's a special thing that you have
with Caroline. For him, it's just I like Taylor Swift
and I listened to her lyrics.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
You know, why does it even make that video?
Speaker 5 (07:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, maybe it's a competence thing, right, maybe, Hey, they
can't charge me if I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Not competent to stand trial.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
But let's get let's get some of that Selen's key
sound from today, cut thirteen.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Please, President Zelensky.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Are you prepared to keep any true to their death
for another couple of years or are you going to
re draw maps?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Thank you for your questions.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
So, first of all, you know we live under each
day test. You know that today have been a lot
of tests and a lot of wounded people. And the
child was that small one one one year and a half.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
So we need to stop this word, to stop Russia,
and we need support American and European brothers, and we
will do our best for this so, and I think
we show that we.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Are strong people and we supported the idea of the
United States of personally President Trump to stop this work,
to make a diplomatic way of finishing this war, and
we are ready for trilateral as presidents.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
This is a good thing about I think this is
very good.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
See that is so big, right, you're President Zelenski saying,
whoa wait a second.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I want Trump at the table. I want this to
be a three way.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I want it to be putent Trump and me because,
as Zelensky knows, at that point, it's the US v Russia, right,
because you know that is where the power is. That's
the game changer, not boots on the ground. There's zero
chance of that, right, but that's the game changer. So
I think what that means as we hit this break,
then love to hear your thoughts. Three oh three seven
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one three eight two five five the number text d
A N five seven seven three nine. I think what
it means is clearly President Zelensky has given Trump assurances
that Zelensky will agree to the kind of deal Trump wants,
the kind of boundaries.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
That the kind of.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Capitulation on land that that Trump wants as long as
America a Is is willing to provide a security guarantee
which would involve boots on the ground in a peacekeeping role,
but also b is willing to come in big. If
Putin says no, you're on the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
So we say defensive terrain and that belt is it
is significant, not just that he's going to struggle or
take it, but it opens the pathway. And Martha said,
this the pathway to Kharkey because it's all open farmland.
And while you can defend that, it's not very defensible
for all the obvious reasons of it's flat and open,
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and you can't use the terrain to protect you other
than fortress yourself into the ground. When you have these
five cities that are in the fortress belt, you use
the cities themselves to help forces you and then fighting
inside those cities is the toughest form of warfare there is.
So giving it up is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, that's General Jack Keen on Fox talking about, Hey,
it'd be a very very big deal for Ukraine to
have to give up this down Bass region, including those
five cities. You heard them to it as the Fortress belts.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So yeah, we'll see where this goes.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
But obviously Trump and his team have decided on a
plan that should be acceptable to both sides, and he's
made it clear he's willing to come in big on
the side of Ukraine if Putin won't do the deal.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
And Jee the President suggest.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
A meeting, maybe as early as Friday, so I'm not
expecting that to happen, but obviously he wants to strike.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Hey, Jiel is going to join us, Jillos is going
to join us at four point thirty six. I really
hope you can be here for that, because again, this
is wonderful.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
You know Mom, she's a stay at home mom.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
She contributes to do Better Denver. And then the Denver
Post decided they were going to out her. They were
going to out her and.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Two other women.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Talk about the war on women, two other women who
are just doing public records requests to contribute to do
better Denver. And think of the irony there that the
Denver Post is going after completely private people, women who
are doing public records request. I mean, that's like responsible
citizenship working through the system submitting these requests, so the
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city has to give up records that the law says
they have to give up.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
These aren't people who are sitting in the bushes.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Outside Mike Johnston's house and popping up when he walks
out to his next big liberal fundraiser.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
They're just Norman Rockwell would paint a picture of this woman.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
And the Denver Post is going after, you know, And
my belief is to send a message to everybody.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Who would contribute to Do Better Denver.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
My hope is that has just cost more people to
follow Do Better Denver on x and to contribute to
Do Better Denver. I love the idea of it being crowdsourced,
and I'm sure the Post isn't thrilled with that either. Listen,
they have some great journalists at the Posts and people
I really respect. But as an industry, I don't think
the mainstream media is thrilled with what technology is doing.
(12:55):
Where now you can have a site like do Better Denver,
you can get the crowdsourcing, you can get all this
real time and other information coming in, and then people
can see a lot of the things that a lot
of the mainstream media don't want to report, right because
they want to keep their access to the mayor and
to other city officials and to the governors.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
So I think it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
In Jillo's very courageous will join us at four three six.
In the meantime, we're talking about historic, yes, historic, Selensky
wearing a suit, or what i'd consider.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
To be a suit.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I know there's some debate behind the glass over there
about whether it's actually a suit, but it was certainly
much different than he wore last time. And you hear
what the President said, guys, when I know you didn
Selensky pulled up.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Which is I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Sat a nice tone to start the day. All right,
let me get you some more of this hot video
for the day. I just I've got to play this one.
Not that it matters because and I don't mean this
in a personal way, but Jason Crow is obviously kind
of irrelevant when it comes to Colorado politics. He's he's
got nowhere to go upward in Colorado politics, right, just
(14:06):
because of the nature of the Democratic Party in Colorado.
Suite just says the craziest stuff just to get press.
It's like Madonna in her naked posing with animal days.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
So cut one.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Please, us in the secretary have a point that it
has to be hammered out the negotiating table.
Speaker 9 (14:25):
You know, this absolutely will end at a negotiating table,
like most conflicts will. But what happened on Friday was
a historic embarrassment for the United States.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
There's no other way to put it.
Speaker 9 (14:36):
You listen to what Marco Rubio and the President have said.
They keep on saying, they're dedicating time, they're making it
a priority, They're focusing their attention on it. In any negotiation,
when you're trying to end an armed conflict, there's nothing
more important than understanding what motivates your adversary, What is
making Vladimir Putin tick in this instance?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Wow, So this is what I'm talking about, Right?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
You remember that, right, Ryan, when Madonna was so desperate
for relevance that she started doing naked pictures with animals,
and Crow has reached that point. So the way he
gets any airtime here is willing to say things like
historic embarrassment for the United States. Really, did he say
anything like that? Did he say anything like that when
(15:20):
Joe Biden? When Joe Biden humiliated America in the free world?
But by the way, he surrendered to the Taliban. Did
we hear that language from Jason Crow? You know, how
about the horrific raping and murder of Ukraine that started
because of the weakness of Joe Biden. Did we hear
(15:42):
anything like this from Jason Crow toward Joe Biden. No,
he just says this crazy stuff, which is why we
needed to play that, just to make the point total
phony on this absolute total phony. So again, Joe also
coming up at four thirty six, I hope you're here
for that, and then we're going to have lots more
of this hot sound from the day. Do we have
(16:04):
time to squeeze in this Bolton cut because I want
to come back to it later in the hour cut
eight team.
Speaker 10 (16:09):
Please, I can't wait till the MAGA base. Here's that
Donald Trump has committed American combat forces US forces against
Russian forces on the line in Ukraine if the Russians
violate the ceasefire, one nuclear power directly against another nuclear power.
I don't think that's what they signed up for with
Donald Trump, and I don't think he's necessarily thought through
(16:32):
that implication either. He wants a Nobel Peace Prize and
he wants it now. So he's willing to say a
lot of things. He didn't really commit to anything. You
could have all kinds of US troops in Ukraine as
we did before the invasion. We had trained and assist missions.
They weren't there to fight anybody. They were there to
train the Ukrainians. That's very different from a combat force.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
You know, that's so sad because I can remember John
Bolton sitting in the studio with me, that that very
studio in Denver that we often broadcast from, and I
think he's just gotten so caught up in this personal
battle with Trump that it just interferes with his analysis.
Now he raises a fair question there, you know, what
(17:14):
will the base? What will the base think of any
security guarantees for Ukraine that involve US troops on the
ground prepared to fight if Russia breaks the truth? Now,
President Trump hasn't committed to that, and it wouldn't be
a truce at that point, it would actually be a
peace agreement. Trump hasn't committed to that, but would you
support it? So we'll get to that now. I don't
(17:36):
want to waste your time calling in on that topic,
as much as I want to hear from you on
that it'll have to be a bit later in the show,
but I wanted to plant the question now because we
have this great guest.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Coming up at four point thirty six.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I mean, as I said earlier, Norman Rockwell would paint
her just a mom, a housewife, you know, submitting public
records requests, gathering information, just helping to tell all the
truth about the failure of leftist rule in Denver, the
failure of the Johnston administration. Her focus what's really going
(18:08):
on in the city. So this truth teller will be
with us at four thirty six. Has a fascinating story
of what's motivated her and what she told the Posts
that it left out of the story when it decided
to out her here on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
You're listening to The Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Boy, I've been looking forward to this conversation for a
long time.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I've spoken with Jilloso off air after this big story broke.
I call it a scandal because I think what the
Post did was scandalous, and I say that with the
heavy heart because I respect a lot of people there.
The Post has been a big part of Colorado for
a long time, but what they did to Jill and
to these other women perfectly totally private people who are
(18:56):
just doing public records requests to contribute to do Better Denver,
which speaks a lot of truth about the decay in Denver.
The post deciding to out them, I thought, was just
one of the worst things I've ever seen in Colorado journalism,
and in my opinion, meant to intimidate and scare others
out of contributing to do Better Denver.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
That's my read on it. Jill, Welcome to the Dan
Kaplas Show.
Speaker 11 (19:22):
Hey, Dan, thanks so much for having me on today.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Well, thanks for what you're doing and thanks for coming on.
I really enjoyed our off air conversation. So if we may,
let's just start by talking about you a little bit.
If you would tell people as much as you're comfortable
about yourself and why you decided to contribute to do
Better Denver.
Speaker 11 (19:43):
Yeah, I'm a mom of two young kids and my
husband and I grew up in Denver in the suburbs,
and after college, I purchased a home off of I
twenty five in the al that I lived in until
my husband and I got married, and at which time
we turned it into and we love Colorado. We've always
(20:04):
hoped to get back there. So we have a very
vested interest in the city and the state as a whole.
And on August seventh, twenty twenty three, I received a
text message that the mayor was going to put a
micro community behind our rental home. And so all that
would have separated our house from the micro community was
just a wooden fance that was six feet tall. And
(20:28):
I did not feel that that was an appropriate site
for a micro community, especially because in some of his
town halls he said that these communities don't belong in neighborhoods,
they belong in light industrial or commercial areas. And so
I couldn't understand why he would possibly have chosen the
site behind our rental home as a site for a
(20:50):
micro community. And so I came out to Colorado, tried
to talk to him, tried to talk to some of
his administration, but we were just met with gaslighting. And
and so that's how I actually started doing core requests
because I was on a hunt for information about the
house one thousand initiatives.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, God love you, right, and this whole line of
attack that, oh you live in wherever it is, out
of state and therefore you have no right to be
doing these things.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Wait a second, why not.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I don't care where anybody is in the country or
what their motive may be, as long as it's legal.
If we're talking about the mayor of a major city,
and we're talking about the failing of a major city
and people want to go out and tell the truth,
why should anybody have a.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Beef with that?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
But you've actually got pretty significant skin in the game,
or you did with this rental p So then you
decide to get involved and you're doing these public records requests,
and then what happens next? How in the world do
you end up in contact with the Denver Post reporter.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (21:57):
So, throughout the time when I found out about the
micro communities until the article came out, I did roughly
fifty core requests on my own, twelve of which ended
up on Do Better Denver, some of which I had
just sent to her because I said, hey, this is interesting,
take a look at it. And a couple she did
ask me to do the core requests for her, and
(22:19):
I don't see a reason that that would be a problem,
because quite frankly, I became the Cora Lady amongst the
Yale micro community site, Neighbors, and amongst a couple other
micro community sites, and so I've helped a number of
people conductchor requests, so I really didn't think that it
was an issue. And so Do Better Denver posted those
(22:42):
corera requests and it resulted in zero point five percent
of the total posts that she's made. And so from that,
Shelley Bradberry and LeeAnne Colachoppo, the editor in chief of
the Denver posts, have labeled me a contributor to Do
Better Denver, which I find comical.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Well, take it as a compliment, right, because Do Better Denver,
in my opinion, is a very valuable asset to anybody
who wants the full truth told about Denver.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So yeah, take it as a compliment.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
But I get the context of what you're saying, which
is they're giving you this label then to try to
justify making your.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Name public when you did not want it to be.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
And I want to get to that in a second,
but j'll os our guest now, Joe, tell us this
important backstory about you owning this rental property at I
twenty five in jail and Mayor Johnston was going to
have one of these micro communities built right behind your
back fence?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Did that get a lot of play in that post piece?
Speaker 11 (23:51):
It didn't get a single word?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And Shelly the story.
Speaker 11 (23:58):
She was told fully why I conducted core request, why
I sent what I sent to do better Denver, my
involvement in the city of Denver, and the fact that
I had grown up there, and that wasn't important to her.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
What whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Wait a second, So your reason for doing this was
left out of the story.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I don't know how that could be anyway.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Wow, Okay, So apparently the Post didn't want its readers
to know why you cared about Denver, why you cared
about the feelings of the Johnston administration. I guess the
Post thought that wouldn't be important to anybody in deciding
how to.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
View you in this.
Speaker 11 (24:51):
I would agree with you, Dan, And it's surprising to
me because the Society of Professional Journalists emphasizes how important
context is in journalism, and when context is not given,
it paints a totally different story.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Well, especially when it's on purpose. Who what where? Or when? How? Why?
Wh why?
Speaker 9 (25:15):
Right?
Speaker 1 (25:15):
That's that's what readers are going to ask themselves first
they're going to say, why in the world is the
Post outing these private people? But second, okay, why do
these people want to do this? And the fact that
you have this very important, legitimate interest seems like it
should have been a center of the story. But Joe,
can you stay with us another segment?
Speaker 11 (25:38):
I can stay for about five more minutes.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Okay, Well, let's do this.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Let's don't tell management, let's push along on this break,
let's let's just let's let's just power through here.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Jill, We're so happy to have you.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
So okay, So then the Post reporter calls you and
then did you ask the Post reporter not to use
your name?
Speaker 9 (26:00):
Yes?
Speaker 11 (26:00):
And we sent a number of or sorry, I sent
a number of emails on behalf of the three women,
the three of us who were written about in the story,
outlining fully my participation in sending a core request to
do better Denver and the reason why behind it. And
(26:20):
also we included why it would be important not to
publish identifying details about us because the account has received
death threats and as a mom of young children, it's
very unnerving when you see your personal information published online
with people offering to share Zillah links to your house.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
And what were you told them? What did the Post
reporters say? What's their justification then? In view of that,
which I'm sure the Post reporter found to be legitimate, Right,
that's just unfortunately the way of the world.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
There are a lot of nuts out there, a lot
of nuts out there who, if they get green lighted,
might do something horrible. So what was their rationale for
publishing your name? What?
Speaker 11 (27:09):
Honically, at this point, they haven't given us a rationale
for why they published our names. And you know what
my name is, fair dame. I'm just going to put
that out there. I did core requests. I never expected
to hide behind them. They're public documents and so obviously
the actual requests themselves become public documents. I never expected
(27:29):
them to be weaponized in this manner, and I think
it's sends a really dangerous message to anyone else who'd
like to conduct core requests.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Well, I think it's, my opinion, a free, intentional message, right, like,
don't do this unless you want to end up like
Jill with your name out there. And then the Post
brings in this so called expert to say I think
the term was partial public figure or some goofy made
up thing like that, and then to have the expert
talk about, oh yeah, and you know, threats are just
(27:58):
part of the business.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Now.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
In my constitutionally protected opinion, that seemed like very blatant
intimidation to me.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I'm not saying what they did to you was illegal.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
But it seems like pretty blatant intimidation, not just to you,
but to everybody out there who might contribute to Do
Better Denver.
Speaker 11 (28:19):
Absolutely, and critics of us and our participation and Do
Better Denver have said, you know that we deserve this
because we participated in an account that posts pictures of
other people. But the thing is is, I don't think
any Do Better Denver considers herself an anonymous or not
an anonymous sorry, a citizen journalist, and so I don't
(28:42):
think that any journalists would ever say I'm going to
put all my sources out there, the anonymous ones, the
non anonymous ones, right and just have a free for
all around it. There's a reason that we were sources
to Do Better Denver. We had a concern in the
city and we provided that information to her, never expecting
that our names will be out like this.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Well, and I know you have to go. But two
big things I'm sure on people's minds. First, what was
the nature of your core request? In second, are you
still a contributor?
Speaker 11 (29:15):
The nature of my core requests that were sent to
do better Denver revolved around spending at the shelters and
the migrant shelters and the homeless shelters, secret meetings that
were happening to try to convince people near micro communities
that they were a good idea by stakeholders. I have
(29:37):
even done core requests about the gas station zoning because
after they tried to put a micro community there, they
tried to put a quick trip gas station there. And
thankfully the zoning laws have changed now. But my cores
that I've conducted are a wide array of things, not
just related to homelessness in Denver.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Well, God love you for it. Are you still a contributor?
Speaker 11 (30:01):
I have not contributed since this article went out, and
I am considering what that looks like in the future,
whether it's the information that I decided to put out
on my own or if I'm going to share it,
which better her.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I just want to say, listen, I have so much
respect for you, and as a son of a woman
who just got very involved in her community, and she
was fearless and and didn't care if the mayor's office
got mad at her.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
She was going to get the truth out there.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I just I respect you, respect what you've been doing,
and wish you all the best.
Speaker 11 (30:37):
Thanks, Dan, and I hope to have more on this
than the future for you. Guys.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Hey, we will be here a wide open door for you.
Speaker 11 (30:45):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Have a great day you too. That is Jillosa, glad
you joined us. Want to get your reaction. You're on
the Dan Capless Show.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
And now back to the Dankapless Show podcast.
Speaker 10 (30:57):
I can't wait till the mag of Base here that
Donald Trump has committed American combat forces US forces against
Russian forces on the line in Ukraine if the Russians
violate the ceasefire, one nuclear power directly against another nuclear power.
I don't think that's what they signed up for with
Donald Trump, and I don't think he's necessarily thought through
(31:18):
that implication either. He wants a Nobel Peace Prize and
he wants it now, so he's willing to say a
lot of things. He didn't really commit to anything. You
could have all kinds of US troops in Ukraine as
we did before the invasion. We had trained and assist missions.
They weren't there to fight anybody. They were there to
train the Ukrainians. That's very different from a combat force.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
So interesting John Bolton, you know who again has been
in the Denver studio with me, and I just think
he's another one of these people who've done a lot
of great things for the country over time, but then
when they got in a urinating match with Trump, it
became personal and then a lot of that stuff goes
out the windows.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
So he does ask a fair question there.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I'll be interested to see you know that the reaction
of the base and the Trump base, of course enormously
large right now, right with all of the success as
to if in the end the deal shapes up that
way with US troops actually committed to fight for Ukraine,
if Russia violates the treaty, you know what the reaction
(32:21):
would be. I'd love to get your take on that.
Three H three someone three A two five five the number. Now, again,
it's not at all clear that that is how US
troops would be deployed in Ukraine under this agreement that
I think is clearly taking shape right now. And the
only question is whether Putin's going to take it or not,
or some version of it. I do want to get
(32:42):
to some calls in some text following up to the
Jillosa interview a second to go again, she's one of
these brave women who have been contributing to do better Denver.
That very valuable account on x If you don't follow it,
I hope you do an Instagram as well. And so
Denver Post decided to publish name, even though she asked
them now to She's been a completely private person, but
(33:04):
they did it anyway. I think my opinion meant to
intimidate she and others who would contribute to do better
Denver because guess what, that isn't exactly good for the
Johnston administration to have the full truth out there. So
your reaction to that, we have some text, Dan, wake up.
Colorado newspapers are COMMI liberal owned. I do not believe
(33:25):
their communists owned it all. Obviously, you know, the Denver
Post is a hard left of center newspaper. I have
great respect for some of the people there as journalists,
but that's where they are ideologically, and God love them,
God love them. Let's get all points of view out
there and have the great debate. Just keep it off
the newspages, keep it on the editorial pages, and don't
(33:48):
do stuff like this, you know, to try to intimidate dissent.
So yeah, no problem with them having a left of
center ideology, or if someone wants to say further left,
no credible case can be made that it's communist. I
don't think any credible case can be made that the
Denver Post ideology is socialist. I think it's just you
(34:09):
know where the modern Democratic Party is right now, which
is hard left, and I don't think the Post ideology
is as hard left as the Colorado Democratic Party, which
is now starting to get more solidly into that socialist category.
I'm not calling them socialists, but we can see where
the Colorado Democratic Party's going. Dan always send for your
(34:32):
requests through and then it says something like proton mail,
encryptid etc. Listen, I've done so many CORR requests over
the years. I don't know if you can do that
or not, because I never do right. It's just straight up, okay,
here's what it is. Give me what the law requires.
I'll take you to court. And I've gone to court
several times. At this point, you know, to enforce corror requests,
and God love these women thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
These are private women. She's a housewife, a mom, a
stay at home mom.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
She's working through the law, through the for a process,
and they use that to outer and publish your name
when she doesn't want to because she's concerned about personal safety.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Madness.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I just hope even more people follow do better Denver
and support that effort.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Hey, when we come back, would you support US troops
in Ukraine. You're on the dan kaplal ship.
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