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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're joined by Liam Loogie you and I hope he
pronounces his name that way because I tried very hard.
And Liam is, as I mentioned, a documentary filmmaker and
his new movie is called A Cursed Man. Liam, Welcome
to Kowa.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Good morning, Ross, thank you, and yes you got my name.
Ran does a good job.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
All right, thank you very much. It's a British accident
and a French name. How did that happen?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
That's a long story, a different documentary maybe.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
All right, So your documentary is called A Cursed Man,
and I only have about seven minutes with you, so
why don't you just tell us what it is. I
watched the trailer, I read a bit about it. It's
quite a project.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, so absolutely. The idea was what would happen if
someone put a curse on me? And what would the
result be? And as a skeptic, although an open minded skeptic,
I felt like, nothing's going to happen, but it might
be an interesting journey and I'll get to meet some
interesting people. But I went around the country and then
(01:02):
the globe looking for magical practitioners to see if they
would put a curse on me, and across the board
one hundred percent of them said you're a crazy person,
are you thinking? But eventually I did manage to find
not one, but two people who were prepared to put
a curse on me.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
So what do you I want to be really specific
about this. What is a curse?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
That's that means a lot of different things to different people.
A curse for examples, So let me give you some examples.
So the first one that I had put on me
was I found a Hudoo practitioner in New Orleans and
he created a charm that I would wear around my
neck that would bring about me bad luck and all
(01:54):
sorts of negative negative things from sleep dysfunction through to
potentially accident and maybe even worse.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
That was the.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Intention behind this curse. Now again I said, I didn't
really believe in it, So I, happily or foolishly, you decide,
allowed him to create this curse, which was a lock
of my hair wrapped around the used coffin nail or
embedded into a charm. And then I wore this thing
around my neck for the next few months, and somewhat
(02:22):
to my surprise, I began to suffer some pretty negative
effects from this, and to add to that I foolishly
went and added another curse in Mexico.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Wow, So how did you decide in your mind that
or what made you believe that it was at least
possible that some of the bad luck you were experiencing
was caused by being cursed or wearing that thing, rather than,
(02:56):
you know, as a skeptic yourself, maybe thinking it's just
and bad luck.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, I thought it could,
you know, just be bad luck initially. But the interesting
thing is there's this big crossover between the idea of
what's magic and what psychology and the reality is. I
began to start having really really bad nightmaths every night,
to the point where you know, I was really suffering
from lack of sleep over a sort of a six
(03:23):
month to night month period, and even one night suffered
for the first time in my life, I woke up
with sleep paralysis and I was unable to move and
it was an absolute terrifying event. And then that evolved
again into terrible headaches. I was having consistent terrible tension headaches,
and coupled with that this whole sense of anxiety, this
(03:45):
sense of dread that I was carrying around with me
every day, and that was really taking a hold in
my body. I could feel that tension. I was more
susceptible to illness and just feeling down. And so at
that point I started to realize, whether you believe in magic,
the results are the same, whether it's around magic or psychology,
(04:07):
the results are the same. Beginning to take this effect
on me and within my psychology, and so I was
physically feeling that, and so that makes for an interesting
debate of what is magic and what is psychology. But
at the same time, the effects were real.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Wow, So how long did you keep wearing that thing?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So I kept it around me a bunch of for
quite a while. I actually was wearing it on my
flight to India. I'm not sure if that was wise
or not, but the effects were only supposed to harm me,
so you know, I felt that it was safe. I
kept this thing on me for several months, and actually
I was told that it was bound to me regardless
(04:50):
of whether I wore it or not. So I kept
out my bedside table and if I wasn't wearing it,
so it was around me. And then I ended up
going into mexic Co as well, where I found a
practitioner there who said, look, I'll take you to his
spiritual practice and introduce you to the spirit there, and
you can invite this curse upon yourself. And so at
(05:13):
that point, I'm I entered into a blood pact with
this entity in this cave in Mexico with swarming with
bads and and so I brought this on myself. So
again more evidence that I was bringing this on to
myself and my own sight. So definitely there's a big
element of it being is this all in my mind?
(05:35):
But at the same time, I think it's kind of
regardless of whether or not you believe it's magic or
your own psychology, if we're manifesting these physiological results, then
you know it, does it matter what word you call it,
a curse is effectively real.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
At that point, we're talking with Liam Lugi you his
new film is called A Cursed Man, and tells where
they can watch the film, And then in our last
ninety seconds, I just have a couple follow up questions
for you.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Sure, Yeah, the film is out now on video on demand,
so you can find it on Apple TV and Amazon Prime,
and yeah, a lot of people to check it out.
And let me know what they think of it.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, a cursed man, So folks go go find that,
all right. So my last questions are really two versions
of the same question. So at this point, you have
a curse coming from a physical item that you said
you don't even have to be wearing, and the second
is a curse that you invited on yourself from some
kind of demon or something that's not necessarily tied to
a physical item that's in your possession at that point,
(06:37):
If I understood you correctly, how did you eliminate each
of those curses?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Well, fortunately for me the first part of my journey,
I found a witch is coven in California, which is
where I'm based, and they absolutely warned me against doing this.
This is a dumb idea. I went kind of back
cap in hand and said, hey, I didn't listen to
you warnings, and I think I need some help, even
if it's from a psychological point of view, I think
(07:06):
for them trying to help me get out of this
is really important. And so I went through this process
of allowing them to try and help me. And I
don't want to give away too much from the film
where it worked or it didn't, but I'm still talking to.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
You, right, So just on on that item that was
your hair wrapped around a coffin nail, could you just
disassemble that or burn it or something.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I mean, it's from the magical point of view, it's
around the intention that was bound around it, and so
I don't know that that would have worked. I got
the Xbox to help me out on that one.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Wow, folks, Liam, look at you, who's new film is
called A Cursed Man. I think you can see from
this conversation why why I thought it was so interesting,
even though I'm not, you know, a person who is
really a big believer in paranormal and stuff like this.
I mean, Liam talks openly about the you know the
(08:00):
fact that it could be psychological. But even if it is, dragon,
did you have a quick thing? Real quickly?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
The text message came in.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Is there such a thing as a good curse?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah? I mean I guess the example of that is
a blessing, right, But I think that's the opposite, And
I think that's what most of these magic practitioners actually do.
So they're more about the positives than they are the negative.
So I think that exists, and I think there's power
in that so I definitely look for the good. You
don't need a curse, trust me, and I wouldn't recommend
that to anyone.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Liam Loogui us new film A Cursed Man. Go watch
it on Apple TV or Amazon Prime. Thanks for your time, Liam,
I enjoyed what I've seen in the film so far.
I wish you lots of success.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Fantastic thank you.
We're joined by Liam Loogie you and I hope he
pronounces his name that way because I tried very hard.
And Liam is, as I mentioned, a documentary filmmaker and
his new movie is called A Cursed Man. Liam, Welcome
to Kowa.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Good morning, Ross, thank you, and yes you got my name.
Ran does a good job.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
All right, thank you very much. It's a British accident
and a French name. How did that happen?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
That's a long story, a different documentary maybe.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
All right, So your documentary is called A Cursed Man,
and I only have about seven minutes with you, so
why don't you just tell us what it is. I
watched the trailer, I read a bit about it. It's
quite a project.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, so absolutely. The idea was what would happen if
someone put a curse on me? And what would the
result be? And as a skeptic, although an open minded skeptic,
I felt like, nothing's going to happen, but it might
be an interesting journey and I'll get to meet some
interesting people. But I went around the country and then
(01:02):
the globe looking for magical practitioners to see if they
would put a curse on me, and across the board
one hundred percent of them said you're a crazy person,
are you thinking? But eventually I did manage to find
not one, but two people who were prepared to put
a curse on me.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
So what do you I want to be really specific
about this. What is a curse?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
That's that means a lot of different things to different people.
A curse for examples, So let me give you some examples.
So the first one that I had put on me
was I found a Hudoo practitioner in New Orleans and
he created a charm that I would wear around my
neck that would bring about me bad luck and all
(01:54):
sorts of negative negative things from sleep dysfunction through to
potentially accident and maybe even worse.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
That was the.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Intention behind this curse. Now again I said, I didn't
really believe in it, So I, happily or foolishly, you decide,
allowed him to create this curse, which was a lock
of my hair wrapped around the used coffin nail or
embedded into a charm. And then I wore this thing
around my neck for the next few months, and somewhat
(02:22):
to my surprise, I began to suffer some pretty negative
effects from this, and to add to that I foolishly
went and added another curse in Mexico.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Wow, So how did you decide in your mind that
or what made you believe that it was at least
possible that some of the bad luck you were experiencing
was caused by being cursed or wearing that thing, rather than,
(02:56):
you know, as a skeptic yourself, maybe thinking it's just
and bad luck.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, I thought it could,
you know, just be bad luck initially. But the interesting
thing is there's this big crossover between the idea of
what's magic and what psychology and the reality is. I
began to start having really really bad nightmaths every night,
to the point where you know, I was really suffering
from lack of sleep over a sort of a six
(03:23):
month to night month period, and even one night suffered
for the first time in my life, I woke up
with sleep paralysis and I was unable to move and
it was an absolute terrifying event. And then that evolved
again into terrible headaches. I was having consistent terrible tension headaches,
and coupled with that this whole sense of anxiety, this
(03:45):
sense of dread that I was carrying around with me
every day, and that was really taking a hold in
my body. I could feel that tension. I was more
susceptible to illness and just feeling down. And so at
that point I started to realize, whether you believe in magic,
the results are the same, whether it's around magic or psychology,
(04:07):
the results are the same. Beginning to take this effect
on me and within my psychology, and so I was
physically feeling that, and so that makes for an interesting
debate of what is magic and what is psychology. But
at the same time, the effects were real.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Wow, So how long did you keep wearing that thing?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So I kept it around me a bunch of for
quite a while. I actually was wearing it on my
flight to India. I'm not sure if that was wise
or not, but the effects were only supposed to harm me,
so you know, I felt that it was safe. I
kept this thing on me for several months, and actually
I was told that it was bound to me regardless
(04:50):
of whether I wore it or not. So I kept
out my bedside table and if I wasn't wearing it,
so it was around me. And then I ended up
going into mexic Co as well, where I found a
practitioner there who said, look, I'll take you to his
spiritual practice and introduce you to the spirit there, and
you can invite this curse upon yourself. And so at
(05:13):
that point, I'm I entered into a blood pact with
this entity in this cave in Mexico with swarming with
bads and and so I brought this on myself. So
again more evidence that I was bringing this on to
myself and my own sight. So definitely there's a big
element of it being is this all in my mind?
(05:35):
But at the same time, I think it's kind of
regardless of whether or not you believe it's magic or
your own psychology, if we're manifesting these physiological results, then
you know it, does it matter what word you call it,
a curse is effectively real.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
At that point, we're talking with Liam Lugi you his
new film is called A Cursed Man, and tells where
they can watch the film, And then in our last
ninety seconds, I just have a couple follow up questions
for you.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Sure, Yeah, the film is out now on video on demand,
so you can find it on Apple TV and Amazon Prime,
and yeah, a lot of people to check it out.
And let me know what they think of it.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, a cursed man, So folks go go find that,
all right. So my last questions are really two versions
of the same question. So at this point, you have
a curse coming from a physical item that you said
you don't even have to be wearing, and the second
is a curse that you invited on yourself from some
kind of demon or something that's not necessarily tied to
a physical item that's in your possession at that point,
(06:37):
If I understood you correctly, how did you eliminate each
of those curses?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Well, fortunately for me the first part of my journey,
I found a witch is coven in California, which is
where I'm based, and they absolutely warned me against doing this.
This is a dumb idea. I went kind of back
cap in hand and said, hey, I didn't listen to
you warnings, and I think I need some help, even
if it's from a psychological point of view, I think
(07:06):
for them trying to help me get out of this
is really important. And so I went through this process
of allowing them to try and help me. And I
don't want to give away too much from the film
where it worked or it didn't, but I'm still talking to.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
You, right, So just on on that item that was
your hair wrapped around a coffin nail, could you just
disassemble that or burn it or something.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I mean, it's from the magical point of view, it's
around the intention that was bound around it, and so
I don't know that that would have worked. I got
the Xbox to help me out on that one.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Wow, folks, Liam, look at you, who's new film is
called A Cursed Man. I think you can see from
this conversation why why I thought it was so interesting,
even though I'm not, you know, a person who is
really a big believer in paranormal and stuff like this.
I mean, Liam talks openly about the you know the
(08:00):
fact that it could be psychological. But even if it is, dragon,
did you have a quick thing? Real quickly?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
The text message came in.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Is there such a thing as a good curse?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah? I mean I guess the example of that is
a blessing, right, But I think that's the opposite, And
I think that's what most of these magic practitioners actually do.
So they're more about the positives than they are the negative.
So I think that exists, and I think there's power
in that so I definitely look for the good. You
don't need a curse, trust me, and I wouldn't recommend
that to anyone.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Liam Loogui us new film A Cursed Man. Go watch
it on Apple TV or Amazon Prime. Thanks for your time, Liam,
I enjoyed what I've seen in the film so far.
I wish you lots of success.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Fantastic thank you.
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