04-25-25 - *FULL SHOW* Dr. Jeff Singer on Bodily Autonomy, Susie Wargin on Broncos' 1st Round Pick

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks for spending some time with me. We've got a
lot to do today. We've got a wide range of
topics today. I promise a little bit later in the
show I will talk about the Broncos draft pick. Luckily,
I've got Zach here today who knows more about football
than I do, so we'll get his take on that
in a little bit as well. I do want to
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Speaker 2 (00:56):
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you can win a pair of Broncos home game tickets,
So that's pretty cool thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
One other sports sports.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Thing I want to mention there was there was a
listener who texted into me yesterday saying, and he said,
I don't think the raw the Rockies have ever won
a double header.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
And I didn't go look it up, and I have
no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
But if it was true that the Broncos have never
the the Broncos, I got Broncos on the brain and
I'm wearing a.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Broncos shirt today.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
That the Rockies have never won a double header, meaning
winning both games. I suppose, uh, well, that would still
be true. I don't want to I don't want to
beat up on the Rockies, but I'm going to a
little bit because I feel I feel a little bit
like you know, Charlie Brown kicking the football. Like every year,

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I said, they got to be better than last year,
and I.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Have reason to believe maybe they'll be a little better
than last year. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
So yesterday they lost both games in a doubleheader. It
was a doubleheader because the game the previous day had
been rained out, so they moved it to yesterday.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
They played two games yesterday. The Rockies are now four
and twenty.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
The worst start in franchise history, and they have tied
their own franchise record of losing thirteen road games in
a row. At some point, you would have to think
that ownership is going to have to have a serious

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public conversation about what they're going to do to make
the team better, or else ownership maybe at risk of
their being a serious public conversation about you know, how
much we might be better off with different owners And
I hope it.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Doesn't come to that. I just would love to see
a winning team.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
We had a good team here for a while a
long time ago, and.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Gosh, we're the home of the Rockies here.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
I want a good team not just for Koa, but
for Denver, for Colorado, just for all of it.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
And it's past time.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
I'm even as someone who's not a huge baseball fan,
I'm kind of frustrated.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
All Right, let me do something different here.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
I'm just gonna do a few minutes on this local
kind of political slash economics story. So there's a bill
of state legislator Senate Bill Onet eighty that would offer
tax breaks to cert to data centers, and it's got
Republicans and Democrats on the bill.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
It's called Data.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Center Development and Grid Modernization Act, and just a little
bit from the bill summary. The bill creates the Data
Center Development and Grid Modernization Program in the Colorado Office
of Economic Development to facilitate efficient data center development and
grid modernization. The program allows tax and utility benefits to
a data center operator that applies to the office to

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have a data center project certified at one of two
levels and that satisfies certain eligibility criteria for certification.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
So well, one more here. A data center operator that.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Obtains certification is eligible for one hundred percent sales and
use tax exemption on the purchase, use, and storage of
information technology infrastructure, data center infrastructure, and electrical grid enhancement
equipment for twenty years from the date that the data
center project was certified, as long as the data center
project satisfies ongoing compliance requirements. In addition to the sales

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and use tax credit, a data center operator that obtains
base certification is eligible for standard utility.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Rate incentives as negotiated between.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
The data center operator and the utility. Now there again,
there are I realize that's a mouthful. There are Republicans
on this bill, including my good friend Paul Lundin and
I rarely I rarely differ with Paul Lundine. So it's
possible that I don't understand this bill. And by the way,
it's not clear that this bill is going to pass

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and going to become law. But I just wanted to
mention it to you because this bill rubs me the
wrong way. I really don't like it when government at
any level starts saying, oh, we want to attract this
industry and that industry, and we're going to hand out
all of these gifts, and we're going to hand out
all these benefits to try to, you know, attract him here,
and tax breaks and all this stuff. Now, again, I

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realize that you know, saying you won't have to pay
sales tax on stuff that you would buy if you
come here is not that much of a loss for
the state if that business wouldn't come here and wouldn't
buy any of that stuff anyway, So maybe it's not
that big a deal. But I still just I don't
like it. I don't like it, and but maybe not not.

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And that kind of argument I just made is a
usual argument, But I actually have a different one that I.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Think is perhaps even even.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
More important, and that is data centers are massive energy hogs, right,
And I don't know, but I suspect that a data
center might even use more energy than let's say.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
A steel plant.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
But it's on that kind of level some of the
biggest energy users there are. And by the way, that's
not a criticism, it's an observation. You use the energy
you need to use to get stuff done. And that's
why it's so important that government does everything it can
to make sure that energy is as inexpensive as possible,
which is exactly the opposite of what Governor Polus and
the state government is doing here pushing us towards this

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ridiculous renewable everything. It's absolute nonsense and it's impossible for
it to work. But in any case, what I really
wonder about with these data centers is what's it going
to look like if we actually do attract a data
center to Colorado. I don't know why a data center
would want to come to Colorado. Not only do we

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have fairly high electricity prices, but they're going higher because
our government is so bad on this issue. And I
got to say, as bad as Jared Polis is. The
next guy, if it's Michael Bennett, let's say is going
to be at least as bad Michael Bennett, I think
will be worse than Polus on most things, and as
bad as Polus on this and maybe worse than Polus
and believe it or not on oil and gas. So

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we'll see, we'll see. So I'm just I really don't
like this bill. I also knowe when you're talking about
a data center, what you're talking about is a huge
building full of computers. It doesn't employ very many people.
The big you know what the big employment gain is
for a data bringing a data center, You say, the

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temporary hiring of you know, five hundred workers or one
thousand workers or fifteen hundred workers to build the data center,
and then they're all gone because it's built, and then
you need a few dozen people to run the place.
Why would we if we're trying to create jobs, you know,
why would we want to give these tax incentives even

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if they don't cost us very much? Really to bring
a thing here that won't employ very many people but
will be a massive draw down on our electrical grid
and then force the utilities to go spend a bunch
of money that we not they are going to have
to pay for. I'm sorry, folks, I'm not sorry, but

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I am not down with this at all. Coming up
in the next few and by the way, Paul Lundin
or any other state legislator, if you're in favor of
this thing, get in touch with me. I would love
to hear the argument in favor of it. Happy to
have you on the show early next week. If you're
listening right now, Email me at ross atiheartmedia dot com
if you want to come on the show and give

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the pro argument.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Coming up in the next few minutes.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
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Speaker 2 (08:57):
Colorado Rockies and doubleheaders.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
And the guy who was email texting me yesterday's texting
again today and just made a point that I you know,
he said he doesn't count it as a doubleheader if
they empty the stadium and then bring people again in
again for.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
The second game.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
And maybe a technical definition of a doubleheader is like
the same people are staying there to watch the game,
like an old double feature.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
In the movies.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
But I doubt that's the difference that most people even
think about or care about, so and have I doubt
that that's in the definition of a doubleheader that the
same people are sitting there. And by the way, if
you were a professional baseball team, would you.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Actually want that.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
No, you would want to sell tickets to two different
groups of people, and not that many people are gonna
want to sit there watch a three hour game, you know,
hang out for a couple hours, and then watch another
three hour game. So I think that point about emptying
the Star Stadium between each game is nonsense. But for
the rest, Chad sent me the sing. So, the Colorado
Rockies have played seventy three double headers, of which twenty

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seven were on the road and forty.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Six were at home.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
And of the twenty seven they played on the road,
and we're talking about sweeps, now, did they win both games?
The Rockies swept, winning both games of the doubleheader two
out of the twenty seven road double headers and fifteen
out of the forty six that they played at Corsfield.

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So overall, overall, the Colorado Rockies have won seventeen have
swept both games in seventeen of the seventy three double.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Header series that they've played. So there you.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Go, Rosen, and I think that you know Rosen. I'll
ask Rosen whether he really thinks that. But that's silly,
all right. I'm not going to debate that with you anymore.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
It's just it's just silly. It's just silly. Hegseth has
to go, he really does.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Look this is not kind of an I told you
so thing, even though I did. But how long is
Donald Trump going to allow Pete Hegseth to be this
constant drip drip drip of bad news making his administration
look bad? I just I don't know how long Pete
Hegseth is going to be around. I was talking with
a friend of mine who's a reporter for one of
the big networks who covers the defense, and this friend

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of mine said that he expects heg Seth to be around,
maybe until like Trump's Trump's Birthday and some military parade
in June.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I think my over under is five weeks.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
So.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Just yesterday we learned that Hegsath's chief.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Of staff has been fired. This is the fourth top
official to be fired or demoted we also learned yesterday,
and this is really a remarkable one. Pete Hegseth had
installed in his office at the Pentagon a regular old
internet line, just like you and I would have at
our houses that did not go through any Pentagon security

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and then used that apparently to talk with people about
military stuff. Now, no one's saying that for sure it
was hacked, right, but this is known as a dirty
Internet line in the IT industry, and as the AP says,
it connected directly to the public Internet, where the user's information.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
And the website's accessed do.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Not have the same security filters that the Pentagon secure
connections and maintain. The other thing is that if somebody
were using a line like that, it would not show
as coming from the Pentagon, It would not show an
IP address cupan you know, being part of the Defense Department.
Basically you would have essentially an anonymous connection to the Internet.

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It wouldn't show as a government connection to the Internet.
And that's pretty troubling as well, because that kind of connection, again,
just a regular Internet connection like you and I have,
can expose users, as the AP says, to hacking and surveillance. Seriously,
this guy is gonna go into the Pentagon and intentionally

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set up an unsecure Internet line right in his office
and then apparently use that for signal where he is
transmitting classified information to a group that includes his wife
who is not cleared for anything, and then when there
are leaks about it, he starts yelling at generals and

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admirals about he's always going to hook them up to polygraphs?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Pete Hegsath is turning from an unqualified cabinet secretary into
an embarrassment.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
And here's how I put it.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
And I know this may sound harsh to people who
love heg Sath or love whatever. In my opinion, at
this point, you can support the United States military or
you can support Pete Hegseth.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
But you can't do both. You know, well, I don't
know what you like. I shouldn't say that.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
We'll see when we do name that tune later, because
Zach is gonna choose to name that tune song and.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
I gotta name that tune song.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
And if all goes according to plan, we're gonna have
Susie Wargen in with us at that time. And you know,
many of you will know Susie Warden as the Broncos
sideline reporter. But one of the other things she does
is she's a DJ on one of three five The Fox,
which is our classic rock station right here at iHeart deenver,
someone have her play name that tune with us, so.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
That'll be fun. So let's see.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Wikipedia says historically baseball doubleheaders have been played in immediate
succession in front of the same crowd. Contemporarily, the term
is also used to refer to two games played between
two teams in a single day in front of different crowds,
and not in immediate succession. So, as another listener said
a moment ago here, let me let me see if
I can find this ross the Red Sox had what

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they called day night doubleheaders going back to the nineteen sixties.
It's a matter of nomenclature and nitpicking combined.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
That's a great answer. One other thing, just.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
To quick a quick follow up on the last topic
there about Pete Hagseth.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
A listener asked, way, let me let me find this.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Did Biden have a better cabinet with less controversy or
does the media just ignore controversy with the left?

Speaker 2 (15:34):
It's the latter.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
President Biden's cabinet overall, not just cabinet, but other senior
appointees are much better than Biden's. Right, It's just that
the couple that are bad are in important and visible positions,
Pete Hagseth being the main one. And it's undoubtedly true
that the formerly mainstream media, whatever you want to call

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them these days, will go out of their way like
a shark that smells blood, to go after anybody who
seems a little weak, or anybody who seems like they
did something a little bit wrong, if that person is
a Republican nominee, which they never would have done to
a Democrat.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
That said, Pete hegseeth this is not good at.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
His job as far as I can tell, and never
should have gotten the job. The problem is he's in
such an important job. Right if he were Secretary of
I don't know, whatever you think is the least important
cabinet department, or if he were under secretary of something,
it doesn't matter. But as Secretary of Defense, he's in
charge of the biggest bureaucracy in the world and the

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most important cabinet apartment. And that's the issue. If you
look around much of Trump's other nominees, and I'll look
at Interior and Energy with Doug Bergham and Chris Wright,
I mean, just those two guys are better than anybody
that Biden never had in.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
A cabinet, all right, anybody?

Speaker 1 (17:04):
So I am not not not not arguing that Trump
has made only bad picks. In fact, most of Trump's
picks are very good, right, most of Trump's picks are
very very good. I'm not a fan of RFK Junior.
We'll see how that plays out. I don't like the
Telsea Gabbard pick. I really don't like the heg Seth pick.

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And I really don't like the Department of Labor pick
who she is a nominally a Republican, but she's basically
a troll for big Labor. I think I like everybody else,
and there's lots. So I named four that I don't like.
There are so many that I do, so I just,
you know, thought we would be we would be clear

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on that.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Let's see, Zach.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
A listener wants to know if you can play you
Shook Me all night long as bumper music at one
point during the show, which would be.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Fine with me, gladly.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Ac DC's You Shook Me is my ring tone for
my wife when my when my wife calls, that's the
that's the music that plays only only for her. So
let's do something completely different. I don't I don't know
how many of you know this and I and I
don't know why you would know this because I probably

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never talked about it and it's not very important. But uh,
both my parents are medical doctors. My dad is a
general surgeon, my mom is a pediatrician. They both served
in the United States Navy. My mom's a retired admiral.
Dad's a retired captain O six, the equivalent of an
Army or Marine Corps Air Force colonel.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Both were tired now and I was, and I was
pre med, you know, as a as a kid of
two doctors and as a grand kid of two Depression
era a Jews who said, you basically have to be
a doctor because you know, it's it doesn't matter what
the economy is, people get sick or they told me,
at least used to be a lawyer like eh. So

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I was pre med for a long time until I
found something I wanted.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
To do better.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
And part of my mindset was in order to be
a doctor, you have to have a certain desire to
help people that I do not have. But my next
guest does, and that's Jeff Singer. He's been on the
show once or twice before. Although I think this is
the first time by zoom where I can see him.
Jeff is a practicing surgeon in Phoenix.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
He's a senior.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Fellow in Health Policy Studies at the Cato Institute. I
have lots of Cato guests on the show. I love
the Cato Institute and have for decades. And Jeff has
a new book out called Your Body, Your Healthcare, published
by the Cato Institute. Release what today or sometime right
around now April okay, April April eight, released a couple

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of weeks ago. So Jeff, it's good to talk to
you again. Thanks for being here.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Oh, thanks for having me all right. I don't want
to spend too much time.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Just on the philosophical concept of autonomy, because I think
it's pretty well understood, But just as a f foundation,
give us a few seconds on autonomy and then we'll
go into some more detailed stuff.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Well, basically, autonomy means that we as adults own ourselves
and we have the right to make our own decisions
about our own life, as long as we don't interfere
with the equal rights of others. So what we put
into our body, what medication we choose to take, what
kind of people we seek, to get healthcare advice from.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
All of these kind of decisions are.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Really up to us. Nobody has the right to interfere
with it. And I was listening to some of your
discussion in my book. I started off by pointing out
that it took a long time, but for about the
last fifty years. When you start medical school, it's drilled
into from the get go that you need to respect
patient autonomy. You can't do any tests or procedure or

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treatment without they're fully informed consent, and if they refuse,
even if you think they're making the biggest mistake in
the world, you just have to respect that because it's there.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
It's it's their body, and you have to respect that.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
But unfortunately that's not the way the government approaches our
health care decisions.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, all right, So two quick things. One I had
I had an incidental oma and uh, I'm sure you
know what that term means. And so I had me
I had fairly major abdominal surgery to remove a mass
that turned out to be nothing that was found when
I was getting a cat scan for a kidney stone.

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And uh, while the doctor was in there, he took
out my appendix, which had not been discussed. Uh I
in a sense I didn't mind. It might have saved
me a surgery in the future, who knows. But my dad,
a surgeon, said he shouldn't have done that without talking
to you first.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
So that's just one story. You want to just say
anything about that real quick.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yeah, well that's an example. When you I mean, even
though we are drilled into it, we have the ethics
drilled into us. We're humans too, so we transgress and
that doctors should have.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Discussed with you.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Look, while I'm in there, if I have your permission,
for example, if I decide that I take out the appendix,
that I can go ahead and do that while I'm there,
and then you would probably say, well, why would you
want to do that if there's nothing wrong with it,
and you'd have to make you feel either agree or not.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
So he should you should have had You should have
had that discussion, all right?

Speaker 1 (22:23):
So one other and I may have told you this
the last time you were on with me, But I
have some chronic sacro iliac joint issues, possibly associated with
ankylosums spondylitis, and VOX used to be my medicine of choice.
Viox got what's the band, right, because of issues that

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we won't get into. Murk made a replacement called torra coxib,
which is the generic name of it. Arcoxia is the
brand name of it, and the FDA has not approved it.
It's approved almost everywhere else in the world. So when
I don't need this medicine very much anymore, which is good,
but I used to have to buy my medicine from
India or maybe when I went on vacation to Mexico,
and I always felt like there's some bureaucrats somewhere who,

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if they saw me doing this, would think I was
a criminal.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
So that's not a question, but I want you to
respond that's true. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
In fact, I'm sure most people have seen Dallas Buyers
Club by this point, which is a great movie, And
there were people who were trying to get bring into
this country drugs to treat AIDS at a time when
there was no real treatment for it, and.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
They were getting arrested for bringing in drugs.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
That were not FDA approved. A little side note about viox.
Viox actually was approved by the FDA. By the way,
in my book, I point out that you know that's
a government monopoly deciding what we can and cannot have
access to.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
What medications we can take. And so I really prefer
to say instead of.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
The FDA approved viacs, the FDA got out of the
way of me having access to viox. But interestingly, it
was it was discovered after was already out there that
it can cause serious cardiovascar problems.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
It wasn't discovered by the FDA.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
It was discovered actually by a kaiser Permanente, which the
prepaid health system, which had an incentive to monitor these
things because they don't want to be because they have
to pay for any of the complications of medications that
their customers are taking. So they're the ones who discovered
and the manufacturer pulled it off the market before the

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FDA asked.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Them to because they watched them liability.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
My recollection, and this could be wrong, My recollection was
that it was at least alleged that Murk knew this.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
And hit it, and that was I thought part of
the bout. And I didn't say that Viox hadn't been approved.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I said the replacement for viox wasn't approved by the FDA,
and so could I could buy vox here?

Speaker 2 (24:51):
But then it was pulled and then they didn't approve
its replacement.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
But so let let's let's keep going, because we only
got about eight minutes, only about eight minutes left, So
I want to stick with something related to this though.
I of course, if I were gonna take a medication,
I would probably ask a doctor, And if I didn't
ask a doctor, I would sure do a hell of
a lot of homework about it myself. Why should I
have to get somebody's permission to take a medication that,

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based on my own research, let's say I think would
be beneficial for me.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Well, that's a very good question.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
That's because ever since nineteen fifty one, Congress gave the
FDA the power to decide what medications you can take
by purchasing it over the counter, and what medications it
wants you to get a permission slip from from another
adult called a licensed healthcare practitioner, in other words, a

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basically a gatekeeper for the state. Now, to be fair,
even before that, however, and this is okay, a lot
of drug makers made a decision. Look, this drug is
really complicated. If somebody doesn't use it as we direct
them to on the package, they could have a bad outcome.
And then we're gonna get sued and our reputation is

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going to be destroyed. So we're going to say to
the pharmacy, you cannot sell our product anybody unless they
have a prescription from a healthcare practitioner, because that'll take
some of the responsibility off of us. And that's totally
okay because that's a voluntary contract. But that power was
taken away from them in nineteen fifty one, and then

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it became basically the government has a monopoly on that decision,
and of course it's subject to all sorts of special
interest pleading and politics, which is why, for example, despite
the fact that for more than twenty years, the American
College of Obstetrics and Guidecology has been saying women shouldn't
have to get a prescription from us and come to
see us in order to be able to get birth

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control pills, and it's available over the counter in one
hundred countries, but the FDA in this country says, no,
you got to get a prescription from from a doctor.
I means you have to take off time for work
and go sit in the waiting room and pay money
for the consultation.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
So there's an example of when you have a monopoly
and it's a government. Uh, this is what happens.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
So in that case, do you think and I thought
that was changing, right, I think you can get birth
control over the counter now.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Only only one I talk about it in my book.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Finally, they allowed one, one brand of one tie to
mini pill, which is very, very uninconvenient because the mini
pill is a single it's just progested only, and you
have to take it within three hours of this.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Time you took it on the first day. Every single day.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
If you're outside of that three hour window, then you
just got to give it up, go on other form
of contraception until the next cycle start again.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
So it's very inconvenient. So we got about only one
brand is allowed. Okay, we got about five minutes here.
Just one quick follow up on this.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Do you think that the FDA is requiring prescriptions for
most birth control bills because they like having the power
and they want to use it, or because they think
they're actually helping people, or might it be that a
lot of these people are doctors and they like the
idea of helping their fellow doctors by allowing by forcing
people to have to go there and pay a doctor's bill.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Well, actually like I said you would that would be
what you would think.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
But the American Cause of Obgyns, the American Medical Association,
and the American Academy of Family Physicians are saying for
twenty years, look, you shouldn't have to come to see me,
so and they get paid for it. So if they're
telling you that, that really means something because they're actually
getting paid for you coming to see them.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
So in this case, I think there are two factors
at play.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
One is, insurance doesn't usually pay for over the counter medicine,
so there are some people who don't want the FDA
to make it over the counter because they don't want
to have to pay out of their own pocket for it,
and they'd rather be paid by a third party, which
tends to make the price go up. The other factory
is there are people who are socially conservative who are

(29:02):
concerned that it'll cause more sexual promiscuity, and we don't
want to make it that easy to get. And then
there finally, there's some people who are not educated about this.
Because I interact with people on social media about this
and lay people say to me, you should get a
doctor to examine you before you go on that medication.

(29:24):
And my answer to them is, well, look, nobody's preventing
you from going to a doctor to examine you before
you go on that medication.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
But the doctors themselves don't think it's necessary.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
And so if another woman doesn't want to go to
a doctor, you shouldn't prevent her from not going to
a doctor and just getting it.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
We're talking with Jeff Singer. He's a practicing surgeon in Phoenix, Arizona.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
He's a senior.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Fellow in Health Policy Studies at the Cato Institute. Cato
dot org is their website, and Jeff's new book is
Your Body, Your Healthcare. We've got just about two and
a half minutes left. Jeff, what is the iron law
of prohibition?

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Okay, the islare prohibition shorthand the harder the enforcement, the
harder the drug.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
So for a drug, prohibition incentivizes the cartels to.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Come up with more potent forms of whatever it is
they're trying to smuggle to sell to people, because it's
easier when it's more potent to smuggle it in in
smaller sizes and sneak it in, and also for the
risk of taking you could if it's more potent, you
could sell more units of it real life. First of all,
during alcohol prohibition, they weren't smuggling in beer and wine.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
They were smuggling in whiskey.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
And a real life example of the eyelaw prohibition is
football games when people are tailgating outside, they're drinking beer
and wine, which you are not allowed to bring alcohol
into the stadium. They're smuggling in the hard stuff and flasks.
They're not smuggling in six packs of beer or bottles
of wine.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
It's the same.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
So it's just basically it's a basic economic principle. And
so the reason why we're seeing drugs get more and
more deadly and more and more potent.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Is because of prohibition.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Fascinating, all right, let's see if we can squeeze one
more in in one minute. I hear the term frequently,
especially from the Democrats in our state government. I hear
the term harm reduction. So what should it mean and
what does it mean in practice? Got about a minute?

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Well, okay.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Harm reduction is a non judgmental approach of saying, look,
I'm not necessarily endorsing what you do, but let me
take steps that I am able to take to make
whatever personal decisions you're making less risky for you.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
We doctors do this every day.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
I mean, there's so many situations where we have a
patient who is overweighted and has borderline diabetes and high
blood pressure and high cholesterol, and if you could just
get them on a proper diet and exercise regimen, they
wouldn't need any medication.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
They'd be much healthier. But for whatever reason, either.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
They don't want to, or they can't, or they enjoy
with their lifestyle choice, so they don't.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
So we say, okay, let me put you on a
statin drug to lower your cholesterol.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Let me put you on a blood pressure pill to
get your blood pressure in a safe range. And maybe
if you've got borderline diabetes, gets you on something that form.
And we're practicing harm reduction. We're not encouraging you to
make this lifestyle choice. We're just saying, as people who
care and whose mission it is to you know and suffering,
to say, okay, well, if you're going to do this,
let me at least make it less dangerous for you.

(32:21):
And that's harm reduction. Unfortunately, a lot of people moralize,
so they're okay with harm reduction for that, they're okay
with me giving brock and hailers to the lungs for
people who develop COPD from smoking. But they're not okay
with me giving, for example, a fentanyl test strip that
people who are buying drugs on the illicit market so

(32:43):
they can make sure it doesn't have fentanyl in it
when they thought they were buying maybe something like oxycodone,
or I can't give them a clean syringe if I
know they're going to inject, and at least I'm reducing
their chances of getting HIV appatitis.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
I can't do that.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
But I can give breathing in a hall of readers
to people who are smokers.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
So it's all moralization. It's this.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
In my book, the chapter on drug prohibition is called
the War on some drugs because we're not declaring war
on other drugs like alcohol or tobacco or well, if
you are to a certain degrees, but we're okay with
you doing that, and we're okay with reducing coming up
with measures to reduce the risk of that.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
But with a different set of drugs, we're not okay.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Jeff Singer's new book is called Your Body, Your Healthcare.
You can also learn more at the CATO institute website
CATO dot org. But again, all the links for all
of this stuff, including Jeff's book on Amazon. You can
just go to Amazon and type your body, your Healthcare.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
You'll find it.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
It's all up on my blog as well at Rosskiminski
dot com. Jeff, great to see you, Great to talk
to you. A fascinating book. Thanks so much, Thank you
for having me.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Glad to do it. We'll take a quick break. We'll
be right back on Kawa. I want to.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Share with you a few stories all you'll understand why
they go together that I think represent some of the
most obvious impact of the presence of the Trump administration
on particular organizations changing their behavior. And I'm very glad

(34:21):
about this. By the way, I'm this is not Trump criticism.
This is this is from the It's about Time files.
So I'm talking about the behavior of elite universities, in
particular Ivy League universities. These people are scared to death
of the Trump administration. Now we can, you know, quibble
some other time about whether they can or should be

(34:42):
withholding funding, YadA, YadA, YadA, but that's not my issue
for today. So I'm going to tell you about three
different Ivy League schools, three different or you know, but
not very different situations.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
So Cornell University.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Does a thing and it's coming up in a couple
of weeks that they call Slope Day, and it's a
big it's a big party, and they invited an R
and B artist who I hadn't heard of her, but
her name is Kilanie k e h la Ni.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Now the first thing I.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Want to say is whoever booked Kilanie for Cornell should
be fired, because it is the easiest thing in the
world to do just a little bit of online homework
and find out whether you are inviting a controversial person,
a bad person.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Whatever to your institution. Doesn't have to be a college.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
You could be a business booking, an act booking, a
musical act booking, a comedian booking in anything for a
corporate event. And whoever is going to book it obviously
needs to go online and do a little homework and say.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Ah, you know what, this person is not not worth
the trouble.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
So this musician Kalani, about a year ago or so,
did a video that was essentially pro Hamas and anti Israel,
and beyond that she has posted really some some heinous

(36:18):
stuff on Twitter, calling, uh, well, she used the term
zionis the scum of the earth and posted stuff like
f Israel I mean really really bad, like heinous pro terrorist,

(36:40):
you know, borderline Nazi kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
And they booked her. Cornell booked her.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Now, when somebody figured out who they had booked and like,
oh my gosh, you booked her, students at Cornell got
really mad, as they should have, and said to the university,
you can't have this person come play here. And the
university's first response, believe it or not, was well, it's

(37:06):
too late to get another act, so we're just gonna
have her play. After a bunch more pressure after this
hit the media, the president of Cornell said that they
had canceled Kilanie's Slope Day performance because it injected division
and discord into Slope Day and for that reason, I

(37:28):
am rescinding her invitation and expect a new lineup. But
that's not why they did it. These people have no shame,
They have no sense of right and wrong. They you know,
the institutionally, these Ivy League universities are as anti Semitic
as any place you can find in the United States
of America outside of a KKK meeting.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
They're terrible and they've been terrible.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Look, I went to Columbia University, which I assume has
the biggest Jewish popular of any of the IVY leagues,
all right, and I was there like forty years ago.
And I told my dad not many years after graduating,
because my dad likes to give Columbia money, because he
went there too, and he stopped. Now by the way,

(38:15):
I said, look, this is an anti Semitic place. Yeah,
it has lots of Jews, but it's an anti Semitic
institution and you shouldn't support it. And I've been telling
my dad that for decades, decades. It's always been like that.
So Cornell canceled the performance. But they didn't cancel it
because it's divisive. They didn't cancel it because they had

(38:38):
invited essentially a Nazi, a pro terrorist, anti you know,
jew hating Nazi to come be a concert performer.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
No, you know why they did it, and I know
why they did it.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Because they see what the Trump administration is doing.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Harvard and Columbia and other places.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Based on at least the claim that the purpose of
what they're doing or the reason behind what the federal
government is doing is because these universities are not sufficiently
protecting Jewish students, and so they're withholding millions or even
a billion or two of federal funding of different sorts.

(39:22):
And that, rather than some desire to do the right thing,
is why Cornell caved. And I'm glad Cornell caved, right,
but I promise you they would not have if Joe
Biden were still president, because you'd have the opposite effect. Right,
Joe Biden was He liked to say he was pro Israel,

(39:43):
but when it came down to the war, he wasn't.
He was equivocal at best in terms of his actual behavior. Right,
he'd hold back weapons and stuff because he's in thrall
to the radical left.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Anti Semitic, basically Nazi base of his party.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Right, the Democratic Party is where the true jew haters
are these days, and so they would have been afraid
to kick someone off of campus who hated Jews because
they would have thought they would have been afraid that
the Biden administration would come after them. So now, two other,
very very quick stories. At Yale University, there was this
whole thing on campus a couple of days ago where

(40:19):
you had a bunch of and I don't know if
they were all students, but I'm sure some of them
were students. They were wearing what I call these terrorist rags,
the black and white cafeas that were made kind of
famous by one of the top terrorists of all time, Yasarafat,
who made these things popular, and it's been the symbol
of the PLO and generally of people who like to
murder Jews ever since then. So people were wearing these

(40:41):
and actually the gleen humas headbands at Yale under the
auspices of a group called Students for Justice in Palestine,
which is probably the most important, most important anti Semitic
group in America right now.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
They want all the Jews dead, and they have.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Been registered as official groups at colleges around the country. Well, anyway,
after that event, which included all kinds of pro terrorist
chants and included students or non students whoever was there
blocking Jewish students from coming on a campus and throwing
water on Jewish students, the Yale University has revoked the
registration of Students for Justice in Palestine as an official

(41:26):
campus organization. Every single college in America should revoke Students
for Justice in Palestine, and now Columbia University says that
there's a new encampment like tents and stuff that are
supposed to go up at Columbia, and the university has
said they will immediately take steps to remove tents or

(41:47):
other structures, and on so on and on. So now
you've got just within a couple of days, three IVY
League colleges doing things to protect Jewish students and to
stamp out like this is not a free speech question either,
by the way, and I don't have time to get
into that right now. This is not a free speech question.
This is a question of threats against other students and

(42:09):
support of murder and barbarism. And there's no reason that
private institutions need to allow it, and it's only because
of the Trump administration that they're not. First congratulations to

(42:31):
Travis Hunter, the Colorado Buffalo's Heisman Trophy winner and now
the second overall pick in the NFL Draft. He's going
to the Jacksonville Jaguars. He was the first player ever
to be announced at the draft at both an offensive
and defensive position. Never happened before. That's pretty remarkable. Shad

(42:52):
Or Sanders was not picked in the first round. It's
expected that he will go fairly high in the second round.
Benjamin Albright told me yesterday that he's been thinking all
along that the most likely outcome for Door Sanders would
be either the Pittsburgh Steelers in the first round or
else in the second round. And Pittsburgh Steelers won a

(43:14):
different way. So now let's talk about what the Denver
Broncos did. They picked Jodday Barn with the number twenty
pick in the NFL Draft. And I'm going to bring
producer Zachi in here, because Zach knows way more about
football than I do. And are you wearing a Broncos hat?
It's a little hard for me to tell you. Yeah,
I am, okay, So he's wearing his Broncos hat. I'm

(43:34):
wearing my Broncos shirt. So tell us what you think
about the pick and any other kind of nerdy football
stuff you think we need to know.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Absolutely well, it's obviously.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
A big surprise. I don't think really anyone saw them
going this direction. I think you could look at every
mock draft and I'd be surprised if anyone had them
making this pick. But I think once you get over
the initial surprise or maybe focusing on what needs they
need to take. It's a great pick. He's an amazing player.
He's one of the ten to fifteen best players in
this class. You hear their press conference after the fact,

(44:05):
and it sounds like they had a top ten to
thirteen great on him. They said after the fourteenth pick,
there were six slots there where he was the top
player on their board, and he.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Just kept falling.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
And that adds up in a lot of cases you
see these gms lie about that stuff, like, oh, he
was our number one guy. It adds up because they did.
They didn't have a need at cornerback and six slots
before they select Baron, it's Tyler Warren going off the board,
and that'd be sensible that maybe that was their last
guy they had ahead of him, and they just simply
didn't expect a player of Baron's caliber to be there

(44:38):
at twenty and in a shallow draft class, it makes
sense to have ignored.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
The positional need.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
You know, there's a term you hear when you pay
close attention to this stuff, and I don't, but there's
a term you hear in the draft sometimes, which is value. Right,
and take you a couple seconds and tell us what
value means in this context and why it applies here.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
Yeah. Absolutely, I think consensus sports are a great tool
looks at kind of what are these average rankings of players,
who's good, who's not so good? And in the draft,
you know everyone's gonna have different priorities. Oftentimes gms don't
have a lot of great job security. I think that's
another great aspect of this pick is it points to
le Broncos having the job security to pick BPA, but coaches.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
GMS having such a hot seat. You you have to
fill those needs.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
You can't really afford to pick whoever just the best
player on the board is, and so guys reach for maybe,
you know, the twentieth best player at pick fifteen, but
you know he's a.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Wife, he's running back. I need a running back.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Thinko, they could have taken Hampton, who's maybe the twenty fifth,
thirtieth best player on their board and fills that running
back need. Yeah, Baron was the tenth best player on
their board. Doesn't necessarily fill a need.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah yeah. Interesting.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
The other thing that I just wanted wanted to note
about this guy, and this is just from the Denver post.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
No like this, this isn't stuff I know, all right,
this is just stuff I read.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
First of all, everybody you know says he's a tremendous player, right,
just as a cornerback. He's a tremendous player against the
pass and against the run, which you don't hear all
that much for a cornerback. And they say that he's
very smart as well, which you need to be to
play in the NFL generally, and especially to play in
a defensive system like Vance Joseph's system.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
But let me just share this with you.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
So, probably the most famous booster of the Texas Longhorns,
which is where this kid played college, is Matthew McConaughey,
the actor, right, And so he's so tied in he
actually gets to know the players because he's a big shot, right.
He says, not only is he, you know, Baron a
great defender, he's a great young man. The Broncos are
getting a stud on and off the field blessing up,

(46:42):
Matthew McConaughey said, Baron was everything for the long Horns
and still grounded. He spent the hour before the draft
in church receiving lessons from his pastor to trust his faith.
He was a lion all season no reason to roar
or complain about his next stop and then.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Check this out. Funny thing is he had a feeling
he was going to be in Denver.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
He called Pat Surtan earlier in the week, connected by
a shared financial advisor. They actually didn't talk. Yeah, I
guess he you know, left a voicemail or whatever. They
didn't end up talking about That will happen soon. Baron says,
I can do a lot of things. I am very
smart and I can't wait to learn from Curtan. This
defense moves a lot of guys around. It's a perfect fit.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
I think it's a fascinating pick, just like Zach said,
and I hope it works out well. And it's also
interesting because you know, nobody was thinking we were particularly
weak in our secondary. But it sure does put Jaquan
McMillan on notice, like you got to fight for your
job now.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Any last stuff on this zac, Yeah, teams want to
get away from Patrick Surtan by putting their best weapons
in the slot.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Can't really do that anymore, and I think that's very exciting.
We'll be right back on Kowa. So just a quick
update on a thing.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
So I had Kyle Clark on the show. Was that yesterday,
Zach was that yesterday. I had Kyle Clark on the
show yesterday when we talked about this particular bill that
both he and I are against, and I'm not going
to spend a lot of time on it. I'll give
you the very very short version in case you missed
the conversation yesterday. It's a bill that is trying to
address a real problem, which is agencies within state government

(48:27):
and maybe local governments as well, getting lots and lots
of open record requests that are difficult and time consuming
to respond to.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
And it's a legit issue, and they're trying to address
the issue, and I get that.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
But what they did was they wrote into this bill
that if you're a journalist, you will get a response
faster than if you're not a journalist, unless you're a
journalist who the bureaucrat decides wants the information for a
purpose that they think may allow you to make more
money or something like that, you know.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
And I so Kyle and I.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Both think that that's really bad, that it's a poison.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Pill for the bill.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
And so the bill was passed by the legislature with
Republican and Democratic votes. The governor vetoed it, and it
was supposed to be up for a veto override today
and I was just told by Kyle actually that they
have pushed it off for a week and it could be.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
As I mentioned, I mentioned to Kyle on the show.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yesterday that one of my sources in the state legislature
was saying that some Republicans were moving away from being
willing to from their support for this thing, and even
if they voted for it before, at least some of
them who voted for it before would not vote to
override the veto.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
And so it may well be at this point that
they don't have the.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Votes to override the veto, and maybe this bill will
not be over maybe the veto will not be overridden.
And I would like to say to members of state legislature, first,
if you voted for it, but now I have you know,
understood the objections and you're not going to vote to
override the veto, First of all, thank you for listening

(50:18):
to reason.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
When you get me and Kyle Clark on the same
side of an.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Issue, you know that probably should be a message to
quite a few politicians that maybe you were fooled or
didn't think about something, or or misunderstood the importance of something.
And I will reiterate that I do believe the bill
is well intended and it's a real issue, and I

(50:43):
hope that they come back to it and try to
solve this real problem, but without creating categories of citizens
and without putting bureaucrats in a position to say, we
think this person isn't really enough of a journalist, or
we think this person is a journalist, but they don't
want it for journalistic enough.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Reasons, and therefore we're not going to respond quickly.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
That stuff needs to go away at poison to whole bill,
and Governor Poulos was absolutely right when he pointed that
out in his veto statement.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
It was his first veto of the year, So there
you go.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
I don't know for sure that you know, the combination
of me and Kyle Clark made a difference here, but
I suspect maybe we did, and I hope so, because
this is part of the importance for me personally of
being in local media. Right, It's not impossible that I

(51:38):
could just this is just a hypothetical thing.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
I'm not saying this is going on okay, because it's not.
It's not, But it.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Wouldn't be impossible for me to say, oh, I might
like a national media job, you know, be syndicated and
be a you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
I love local radio. I love local radio the.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Ability to talk with folks who live here, who are
in positions of influence here in the legislature, to try
to help folks understand what's really going on around them
in our cities and our states, and to perhaps make
a difference once in a while, to try to keep
things a little better than they might otherwise be. This
is why it is such a joy to be a

(52:20):
local radio host. And people ask me all the time.
I'm just I'm off on a little tangent here, but
just bear with me. People say to me, I get
this a lot. You're it's gonna sound like I'm bragging,
but I'm not.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
People say to me all the time, Ross, you are
such a good host, you should have a national show.
And I say, well, thank you for the compliment, but
I really don't want a national show. Right.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
First of all, national shows.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Are almost all politics all the time, and I don't
want to do all politics all the time.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
You know how much I have.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
I love having authors and scientists and stuff like that
on the show. So typically with the national shows, they're very,
very very political. They're more political, and I want to
be because I love politics, but I don't want to
talk about it all the time.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
But it's it's a different thing.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
I mean, if you there's a good chance that folks
who listen to my show and Mandy show also listen
to some national shows.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
So I'll just pick a name.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
And it's not a positive or negative that I'm picking
this particular name, just a famous name, Sean Hannity.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
If you listen to Sean Hannity, do.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
You feel like you have the same relationship with Sean
Hannity that you have with me or with Mandy.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
And I'm not naming the other the many.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Other fabulous folks on KOWA because they do a different
kind of show. That's the only reason I'm not talking
about all my other live and local colleagues. All right,
I'm just talking about you know, current events, news talk.
It's me and Mandy. I don't think as a listener
to radio. How about this go back to before I
was on the radio, when I used to listen to

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Mike Rosen and Rush Limbaugh. I never felt like I
had the same relationship with Rush Limbaugh that I had
with Mike Rosen. Mike Rosan knew what was going on
right around me and even in his commercials, and this
would be true for me too. Mike Rosen is talking
about local businesses, and it's just a different feeling. I

(54:19):
could think of Mike Rosen almost like a trusted advisor.
I hope my listeners think of me as something like
a trusted friend.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
I really do.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
It's why I respond to so many emails, It's why
I respond to so many listener texts. And I never could,
or would or did feel that way about Rush Limbaugh.
That's not a jab at Rush Limbaugh. That guy was
the most successful talk radio host of all time, and
he's probably the reason that my job exists in the
sense that in Rush Limbaugh.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Arguably created.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
The news talk especially kind of right center, or at
least not left of center, because there was already NPR.
Rush Limbaugh arguably created the industry that I am in now,
and I'm very grateful for that. But I never thought
of him as somebody who was or ever could be
my friend. So I'm sorry I went off on that tangent.

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But really the main thing I mean to say in
all of that is I love my job. All right,
let me do some other things. How about this story.
This just popped up in the past hour or so,
although it had been percolating for a day or two.
There's a judge in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, not a federal judge,

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a local circuit judge or Milwaukee County circuit judge to
be precise.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Her name is Hannah.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Dugan Duga n And apparently what's been going on here
is that there was an immigrant I don't know if
it's a legal or illegal immigrant who was in her

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court facing three counts, three charges of misdemeanor battery.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
And this was a week ago.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
The guy's name is Eduardo Flores Ruis, and he's just
described in this piece by USA Today as a Mexican immigrant.
I cannot tell here whether he is a legal immigrant
or an illegal immigrant. So he had a pre trial
conference a week ago, thirty years old. Sources have told

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the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that ice officials showed up in
the judge's courtroom on that morning of this guy's pre
trial conference.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
And again I'm quoting from the USA TODA piece.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
When they went to the chief Judge's office, Dugan directed
the defendant and his attorney to a side door in
the courtroom, directed them down a private hallway and into
the public area on the sixth floor.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
In other words, directed.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Tried to protect this migrant, maybe illegal immigrant, who's facing
battery charges from being arrested. Now, it's unclear to me, Actually,
it's unclear to me whether she actually was able to

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prevent him from being arrested. And I think she wasn't.
I think they got him anyway. But this is at
least the third time since Donald Trump was inaugurated that
federal immigration officials have gone into that courthouse with arrest warrants.
It was certainly the case under the Biden administration that

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they wouldn't go into courthouses.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
So I think they did arrest the guy. But here's
the interesting part of the story. This morning.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Federal US marshals showed up at that courthouse and arrested
the judge. Arrested the judge for obstruction of justice and trying. Yeah. Okay,
so here it says it's well, they use the term
on documented he is an illegal immigrant. So they arrested
the judge for trying to help the illegal immigrant avoid arrest.

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I don't have more to add to the story. I
just thought I would share that with you. It's it's
quite a thing, Isn't it quite a thing? What else
did I want to share with you? This is a
local story, and you know the story is odd or bad.
Says it's more bad than odd. But there's an odd
part in it that I wanted to share with you.

(59:00):
So this is from CBS Denver, and I'm gonna paraphrase
a little bit. So there's a girl and I'm looking
for I'm looking for the age of the girl in
this story, and I don't I don't see the age
of the girl but juvenile, so under the age of eighteen.

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And this girl disappeared from her home in why in Missouri,
in Missouri.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Five months ago in December.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
A week ago, the cyber crimes unit of the Fort
Collins Police got a tip from that same kind of
police organization in Missouri saying that this missing girl from
Missouri might be in the Fort Collins area, and then detectives.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
There figured out where they think she might have been.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
They served a search war on that property, and the
guy who lives there, turns out to be a registered
sex offender, and he was home and he told the
cops there were no juvenile girls there, but the cops searched,
and in fact, they found the missing girl.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
So now this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Registered sex offender I won't even use his name, is
booked into the Larimer County Jail. He's facing a whole
bunch of charges, including including kidnapping and incomplete registration as
a sex offender, child abuse, other stuff. Now they say,
according to this article, that he rented a vehicle, he

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drove to Missouri, he met the girl, brought her back
to Colorado. She told investigators that she was held against
her will. Now this is the part of the story
that I think is kind of odd, particularly now I
don't know how old this girl is, all right, Because
if this girl is quite young, or maybe even not
that young, she might have been so afraid of her

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captor that she felt maybe subconsciously compelled to obey him.
But if this girl is more like, I don't know,
mid or late teens, then this next part of the
story is extra odd. She told investigators that she was
held against her will, but that sometimes her captor made

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her work for his snow removal company, and that she
was required to wear a mask to conceal her identity,
and what I would like to know, although I can't
say I actually care very much, but what occurred to
me as I was reading this story is would I
would like to know how old she is? And whether

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it would have been reasonably possible for her just to
like go into a house.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Where she is moving snow.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
And say, you know, I've been kidnapped by this guy,
or whether in fact she was actually with him willingly,
which is also not impossible. I don't know, but I
just thought that part of the story was weird enough
that I wanted to share it with you, all right.
A couple other things I want to mention, Oh, don't
forget Broncos fans.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
We've been talking a.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Lot of Broncos this morning, and you hear a lot
more about Broncos over the next few days because we've
got we've got our ongoing draft coverage going through Saturday
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Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
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Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
And remember you've got to enter to win this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
You've got to enter before four pm Saturday, which is
going to be four pm tomorrow, which is going to
be the end of our Broncos NFL Draft coverage.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
So there you go. All right, let me share with
you a bit of good news.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
And I say that with some hesitancy because I'm generally
not a big fan of people being killed, but this
seems to me like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Pretty good news.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Ukraine has done a pretty good job in recent months
of finding ways to hurt key Russian military officers inside
of Russia.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
And let me share this with you from NBC News.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Lieutenant General Yaroslav Muskolik, Russian general, was killed today after
a Volkswagen Gulf car blew up and it was a
you know, an ied filled with shrapnel and it blew

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up when the general was I don't think the general
was in it. I think he was near it. And
this is in a suburb of Moscow called Bala Shikha
in the right, a suburb of Moscow.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Anyway, the general is dead, and that's fine. That's fine
with me. The Russian Foreign Ministry called the blasted terrorist attack,
or even call it that if you want.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Authorities in Moscow I have used similar language following previous
bombing attacks. I don't think it's a terrorist attack. I
think it's I think it's war. I think Russia started
the war. I think Russia lobbed a bunch of missiles
at Kiev. And you know, as I mentioned yesterday, I
was like the first time in a long time that
Donald Trump has criticized Vladimir Putin even a little bit,

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you know, killing civilians in the capital city. And at
least what the Ukrainians did was they killed a general
in Russia's or near Russia's capital city.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
So I think that I think that's good news.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
You know, when they're the Russians are waging a disgusting,
immoral war and the Ukrainians are the victims, and to
the extent that they can take out the you know,
they're they're tormentors. I'm I'm very glad, they're very glad
they're doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
I am.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
I again, it's I don't like cheering for people to die,
but when the people who are dying are the people
who are killing lots of other innocence, then I can't
really be unhappy about it, can I? All right, We're
gonna take quick break. We got so much more still
to do on today's show. When we come back, I

(01:05:44):
want to tell you about something troubling going on at
the Air Force Academy right here in Colorado. Keep us
here on KAWA. Got still a fair amount to do
on on today's show. One one listener text that I

(01:06:08):
would like to to comment on. Listener says, Ross, were
you surprised when the guest complemented you on your analogy?
And my take on that is not.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Surprised, but disappointed.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
I do not like offering offering good analogies. It really,
it really troubles me when I do. I promised you
this story about the Air Force and I want to
share this with you. So this from the Denver from
the Colorado Springs Gazette, which is Gazette dot com. Air

(01:06:47):
Force Academy staff cuts unclear amid mass resignations, cadets a
short of world class education. Now, the Air Force Academy
is a really important Colorad institution, a really important national institution.
We are in this state rightly proud of the Air
Force Academy being here, just as you know, Maryland is

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proud of Annapolis, and New York is proud of West
Points and so on. And of course, when you've got
the federal government cutting lots of spending everywhere, and sometimes
without seeming to have very much of a plan about it,
things can get a little wacky. And while I obviously

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support significantly reducing the cost and scope and intrusiveness of
the federal government, it's the kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
That probably should be done with a plan.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
For example, if you were running a business and you
had a you know, a two million dollar budget for
your business, and you decided that you wanted to save
one hundred thousand dollars and so you needed to cut
five percent of your budget. That doesn't necessarily mean you
would go cut every aspect of your business five percent, right.

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There might be something that some part of your business
that if you cut at five percent it would really
hurt you, and another part of your business where if
you cut it ten percent it really wouldn't hurt you.
So you really just need to be a little more
careful than it seems like the Trump administration has been.
And I think part of this is their their flood
the zone mindset, which is something that the Execrable Steve

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Bannon has been pushing for.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Flood the zone. Do so much, Alla wants that nobody
can catch up. I think that's kind of dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
I get it actually in a political sense, I get it,
But from the sense of running a really important organization,
you need to be a little more careful. So let
me just share a little bit of this with you
from gazett dot com. While the Air Force Academy sent
a letter to incoming cadets early last week assuring them
of a quality education at the school, a definitive plan

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for layoffs among faculty and staff is still in the works.
Among the Academy's civilians, around one hundred and forty have
resigned the federal government's two deferred resignation programs, but the
school is expected to lay off a significant number of
additional civilians, according to Internal Communication and professors who spoke

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on the condition of anonymity after attending presentations on cuts.
As a result of the cuts, and I listen carefully here, okay,
listen carefully. As a result of the cuts, the academy
may need to eliminate majors and miners and cut the
number of hours required to graduate. According to Internal Communications,

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During a presentation on April eleventh, the superintendent named Tony
baueren Find said that the Air Force is expected to
cut five thousand civilian positions in twenty twenty five in
legislation known as the National Defense Authorization Act.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
That's the Air Force overall.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Right, that's not the Academy cutting five thousand civilian jobs,
but the Air Force overall. So as part of that
reduction in staff, he said he's preparing to cut two
hundred and forty civilian positions, and at the time that
he talked to whoever he talked to, he did not
know whether the one hundred and forty people who had

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resigned voluntarily would count toward the two hundred and forty
didn't need to be eliminated, or if you would need
to do another two hundred and forty. He said he
has received conflicting guidance on that. In response to questions
from the Gazette, the Academy said they didn't have final
numbers on how many civilians who have resigned or retired.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Now let's get to the heart of the matter here.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
The academy requires one hundred and twenty five credit hours
to graduate. That could be reduced to one hundred and twenty.
Some majors, and I'm guessing these are some of the
very high tech, you know, physics, science, rocketry related majors
and maybe require one hundred and forty to one hundred
and forty six hours, But as a general matter, one

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hundred and twenty five hours to graduate, but that could
be reduced to one hundred and twenty. See you, Boulder
requires one hundred and twenty eight for its Bachelor of Science.
So the Academy is already a few hours short of
SU Boulder's minimum, and now they're looking at going even
shorter than that. Now, civilians at the Air Force Academy

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do a lot of different things, right, They're in finance,
they take care of people's kids, they do the registration work,
communications work, and of course you've got civilians who teach classes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
And this is the other part that I wanted to
get to.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
It's the superintendent noted that the academy has actually been
over budget for its civilian employees for a while, and
the big Air Force is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Not interested in backfilling that spending now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
And of course they're also looking to cut spending to
help reduce the national debt and to fund other new
military programs.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
But here's the thing that really jumped out at me.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
And I'm just going to quote, leaning on the national
deficit felt insincere. That's what the superintendent said, in part
because the academy is such a small portion of the
overall budget. And this is a key now, because civilian
professors are cheaper to employ than uniformed instructors a civilian professor,

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said RAND to Policy think tank studied this issue about
a decade ago and found that civilians are less expensive
as professors. Right, having a civilian professor versus having you know,
an Air Force captain or major or.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Somebody teaching class.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Civilians are less expensive, They have more teaching experience, they
have more connections to academic and research communities. Right, the
RAND study said, and I quote the least costly military
faculty member, which would be a Captain three direct higher
with no Air Force funded degree. So that's the cheapest

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possible faculty member you could get as a member of
the military. To teach class there is more expensive than
a civilian instructor, assistant professor or associate professor. So it
seems like if they're firing professors who teach classes that
they that have to be taught there, and they end

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up having to replace them with members of the military
to teach those classes, it's actually going to raise the
cost of running the institution, at least at that position.
I just hope some people are paying attention. Slow down,
take a breath. Absolutely, cut costs where you can and
where it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Makes sense, but also how it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
I did get a couple of listener texts regarding the
Air Force. I'll share one with you. Our daughter is
a sophomore at the academy, and I can tell you
all of this has been incredibly hard on the cadets.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Morale was already lowded to poor leadership by the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
New superintendent and commandant, but now with all these changes,
it as many sophomore as wondering if they will fully
commit in the fall, she says. The daughter says her
squadron leadership is exceptional, but the top leadership is a mess. Lastly,
I don't believe the hours to graduate information from the Gazette.
Every cadet I know takes anywhere from eighteen to twenty
two hours per semester. That way exceeds what CU students

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are doing. So I believe that I believe you. Just
to be clear, the Gazette didn't say how many students
are actually taking.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
They just said the academy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
May lower the minimum number of hours you need to
take to graduate, which is not the same thing as
saying that everybody will do the minimum number of hours.
But I absolutely, I absolutely get your point. All Right,
a couple of Colorado political things I want to mention here.
So I did tell you earlier in the show that
the State Senate w I was going to vote today
on overriding the veto of.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
A bill that kind of reforms the Open.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Records Act request process in a way that I objected
to and Kyle Clark objects to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
And Kyle was on the show yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
We talked about it, and the State Senate put that
vote off for a week, which makes me think that
they no longer think they have the votes to override
the veto, which is great now from the Colorado Sun
today from just this morning, Colorado Senate overrides Jared Poulos's
veto of bill regulating social media in an extremely rare

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rebuke of governor subtitle subhead.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
The veto override now heads to the House.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
And I'm sure it'll pass in the House because there's
more Democrats there, there's more liberals there. The last veto
overrides in Colorado were in twenty eleven and two thousand
and seven under former Democratic Governor Bill Ritter, and both
dealt with budget spending requests. Oh, The Colorado Senate voted
today this morning to override this veto on a bipartisan

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bill regulating social media sites operating in Colorado with an
eye toward protecting children. The vote was twenty nine to
six and passed with no debate. Backtors of the bill
needed the support of two thirds of the Senate, and
they got it. Lisa Frizell, who is a Castle Rock
Republican and one of the bill's main sponsors, said, I

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think it's time that we dig deep and find the
courage that is within us all and the conviction that
is within us, within all of us to protect the
children within the state of Colorado.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
So this is going to go to the House, and
the House could actually do this today.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
The bill passed the Senate originally by the exact same
twenty nine to six vote, and it passed the House
by forty six to eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
And if it's forty six to eighteen again, then the veto.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Let's see, hold on, no, but it's right, right, right, right,
then it'll be overridden. Right the Senate overrode the vtas
now the House has to, and I think they and
I think they will. It's a tricky bill, I will
I will note that the ACLU, who I don't love
these days, has come out against this bill, and a
few other people have as essentially trying to turn social

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media companies into agents.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Of law enforcement in a way.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
And it would require some of these big social media
companies to not just take down posts, but to delete
people's accounts if the social media company believes that the
accounts are selling guns or drugs, or engaged in sex
trafficking or sexual exploitation of miners. And again, those are
bad things that they're not allowed to do online. But

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it also would make social media companies publish annual reports
about how many kids they're using the platforms and for
how long they use them, how often they use them,
and how much they interact with content that violates.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
The company's policies.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
I'm quoting from the Colorado Sun here that provis in
particular raised red flags for the tech industry.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
So in any case, I don't think i'll give you
more there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
But it's a bill that had pretty strong has strong
bipartisan support enough to it looks like achieve the first
override of a governor's veto in fourteen years, in fourteen years.
The other thing that I wanted to mention this happened yesterday.
Governor Polus signed a couple of abortion related bills. One

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of them provides protection to people who provide abortions and
to patients whom get abortions, and protection of their data from.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Investigations and potential criminal.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Charges from other states. That let's say, somebody from Texas,
where abortion is illegal, comes here to get an abortion.
This law is designed to prevent Texas from being able
to get any information with which they might try to
prosecute a person The other one is CENATEBIL three, which
is a bill that implements Amendment seventy nine, which was

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passed in November, and I came out against Amendment seventy nine.
Amendment seventy nine is a constitutional right to abortion in Colorado.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
I'm actually fine with that part. That's not why I
was against it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Why I was against it is it repealed the state's
prohibition against spending taxpayer money on abortion. And what I
said to you was, it won't if this thing passes,
it won't take long at all until they actually come
back with taxpayer funded abortion. Governor Polus signed this bill
into law yesterday and they are immediately coming with taxpayer

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funded abortion immediately, including including like people who are in
pera and have health not para, but have health insurance
as government employees. That's going to be covering abortion now.
Various state run health plans going to cover abortion now
through taxpayer taxpayer subsidized health insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
So I told you this was coming.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
I'm pro choice, but I'm against government funding.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
But this is Colorado, and here we are.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Years ago that a British scientific research organization called a
Natural Environment Research Council held a public vote to name
a new research ship. You know, it's going to go
to the North Pole. And so they just asked the
public and they said, you know, whatever the whatever the

(01:20:40):
most popular name was, they would name the vote that
and I guess this is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
This is this is the way the internet works.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
The most popular name, by a long way was Boady
make vote face. And actually, actually they didn't end up
naming the ship body mc boat face, even though they
even though they said they would.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Okay, so they they did name something.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Else body mc boat face, like a little underwater self piloting,
like an autonomous vehicle that doesn't have a person, and
so they did name something that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
But anyway, so I was reading this piece.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
I don't even remember what website it was on, but
it was on a site there's a little bit of
like a satirical site. It wasn't the Babylon Bee or
the Onion, but it was something trying to be like that,
you know. And they were talking about how the Vatican
has decided that they're going to do that same kind
of thing to name the new pope, and they're gonna,

(01:21:40):
you know, let the public decide the name of the
new Pope. And I thought it was mildly amusing, not
really amusing enough to really share with you. And then
later on in that same article, there was a list.
There is a list of the cardinals who seemed to
be in the running to be the next pope. And

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I'm looking at this list of the people who might
be the next pope, and again, remember this is a
satire site that I'm looking at, but it looks like
a real list, and I recognize a couple of the names,
and then I come across this name, Cardinal Pierre Bautista
Pizza Bala, p is z a b a l la

(01:22:29):
like a ball of pizza, Cardinal Pizza Bala. And I'm thinking,
and I'm thinking, Okay, this site just kind of dropped
in a really goofy name just to see if anybody
would would catch it. And it turns out this is
a real dude, Cardinal Pierre Bautista Pizza Bala.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
He is the Latin patriarch of Jerusalem.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
And listener Andy texted in with I thought the best
question of the day, and he said, well, given that
this cardinal is living and working in Jerusalem, I wonder
if he knows Rabbi Mazabala.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
That's pretty good. That's pretty good. So thank thank you
for that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
One other, one other quick thing I'm gonna I'm gonna
do with you here and then we're gonna get my
very special guests on the show. So it's an odd
article from the San Francisco Chronicle. And you know, for
those of you who do the econ nerd stuff with me,
you know, I like to talk about Frederick Bastiat a
lot and how there are always these unintended consequences of

(01:23:34):
things and you really need to think about what they are.
So here's a piece from the San Francisco Chronicle as
San Francisco car break ins plunge, these businesses are suffering,
and it's actually funny in a way. I mean it's
funny if you're a super nerd like me, because when
I when I talk to you about Bossiyat's broken window fallacy,

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which I've mentioned from time to time on the show,
and if you haven't read it, just look up that
which is seen and that which is not seen or
the acronym twizza twins twisa twis. Anyway, the image that
he uses to describe the economic lesson that he points
out is a piece of glass being broken, and then

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he goes, I'm not gonna give you all the details
of the economics, but he gives this big economics lesson
that's based on, well, what are the economics that follow
after this piece of glass is broken? And so now
the San Francisco Chronicle has as San Francisco car break
ins plunge. These businesses are suffering, and it's actually about

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glass repair shops, and it almost sounds the article is
kind of sympathetic to the glass repair shops, like we
feel so bad that these glass repair shops are down
to only getting twenty five or twenty eight calls a
day instead of the sixty or eighty calls a day
that they used to be getting when San Francisco looked
like they desperately needed the arrival of Snake Pliskin. Right,

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it's really I just thought i'd mentioned to you because
as a nerd, you know, it just remarkable. Bossia talks
about windows and now San Francisco is kind of giving
you the secondary effects. Crime is going down in San Francisco, yay,
but the car window glass repair guys are suffering.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
Boo.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
All right, so you've heard.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
The term renaissance man, right, renaissance man, somebody who does
multiple interesting things, does him well and just a real
interesting person. My next guest is a renaissance woman, Susie Wargen.

Speaker 5 (01:25:37):
I'd never been called that. That's cool, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Yeah, you're welcome. Did you go to Colorado State?

Speaker 5 (01:25:41):
Oh yeah, I don't just wear the colors, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:25:45):
You and Marty, Marty and I, oh yeah, and my
husband and our son and yo. Yeah, we have so
many ties. Yeah, we hang out.

Speaker 6 (01:25:52):
We hang out more with Marty outside of here at
CSU events.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
They only ever do it work.

Speaker 5 (01:25:58):
Yeah, I'm sure like I see you way more ouse
of the building that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
He's always wearing the colors too, Yes he is.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
He's a huge ramp so so Susie is a Bronco
sideline reporter of course, and one of the highlights of
my year. So whenever I get to do the sideline
microphone and chat with Susie for a few seconds, is
we're running running past each other, reb.

Speaker 5 (01:26:17):
Elbows and take out our headsets. We can actually talk
to each other and then put it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Back, then put it back on.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
And Susie, of course is DJ on one of three
five of the Fox here our classic rock station right
here at iHeart Denver and she's also a real estate
agent and podcast hosts and and podcasts and to tell
us a couple of other random things about you, and
then we'll talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Some of this stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:26:39):
I think you covered it. Yeah, I know, that's that's
that's pretty much mom.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:26:42):
But they're in their twenties now, so I have more
free time allegedly, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:26:48):
Yeah, So it's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:49):
I love all the different things that I do. It's
really it keeps me going and entertaining. I got a
lot of energy, so I need to figure out how
to use that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Yesterday I played your Draft story with von Miller during
during the show, and I listened to the I didn't
I didn't play it here yet, but I listened to
the Peyton Manning one and that was really cool too.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
That was fun. So tell us a little bit about
draft stories. So this is kind of fun.

Speaker 6 (01:27:14):
So last year I was part of the draft coverage
and I'm just not you know, and there's people God love,
you know, Benjamin and Ryan and all those guys that
this is what they do. They love getting into the
draft and they figure out what's going on with all
these guys and.

Speaker 5 (01:27:26):
Who's it going to be. That's not my wheelhouse.

Speaker 6 (01:27:28):
I got too many other things I'm doing where I
kind of go, Okay, now we have Jade barn so
I'm going to figure out who he is. I wait
till we figure out who we have and then I
start getting to know these guys. So I told our
program director last year, I said, Hey, there's got to
be a better way for me to have involvement with
the draft and try and talk about things that I
don't really study and I don't really know about.

Speaker 5 (01:27:46):
Those guys are the experts. I'm not, and I'm fine
admitting that.

Speaker 6 (01:27:49):
So you know, one of the things, and we've done
this on the pregame show for Broncos games, is really
kind of getting into features and stories.

Speaker 5 (01:27:56):
And and that's what I do on the podcast.

Speaker 6 (01:27:58):
I said, I have so many guys that I've talked
my podcast, and I always ask.

Speaker 5 (01:28:01):
Him about their draft story, So why don't we do
some on that. I totally forgot that. I brought that
up to Tepper and Friday No.

Speaker 6 (01:28:08):
Last Thursday he called and he's like, hey, remember last
year we talked about doing these draft stories. Do you
think you could put together like three or four of
them for our coverage, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Was like sure.

Speaker 6 (01:28:16):
So Friday afternoon, Ross, I start just texting. I go
through all my guys and I just start texting him like, hey,
Monday afternoon, can we get on a phone call?

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Sure? Sure, Sure.

Speaker 5 (01:28:24):
So I sat downstairs in the Fox studio Monday afternoon.

Speaker 6 (01:28:27):
Every fifteen minutes I had a different guy that I
talked to and put together these little stories, and I mean,
I told Dave, I was like, I can't believe all
these people.

Speaker 5 (01:28:35):
All these guys said sure, no problem, and Peyton wasn't.

Speaker 6 (01:28:39):
I had to go on peyton schedule, which I was like,
that's cool. I said, whatever will work for you.

Speaker 5 (01:28:43):
I came in. I had to find a studio that
we could work. I was like, all right, no, we're
gonna make it work because it's Peyton Manning, so we'll
get him on. And he was great. Yeah, I mean
it was. It's been and they all I know all
of them in a, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:28:56):
A personal way, whether I had him on the podcast
or I do other things with them, So it's helpful
to kind of have those relationships, and then they just
open up and tell these great stories and they all
had something cool and different to say, which was really fun.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
It was it was fun. It's really fun to listen
to this and just get some insights into what that
life is like.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
And I talked about it a little bit on the
show after playing Your Your von Miller one, but just
even the idea. And we're seeing it this week, right,
we're seeing it with Shu or Sanders of like sitting
there not I mean, he knows he's going to be
taken in the draft. He's not really in a position
of one of these guys who doesn't know whether they'll
be drafted.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
But still there is kind of a thing about being
first round versus not.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
This and these guys are just sitting there, not knowing
who's thinking about them, who's not, whether.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
They're gonna get pick, whether they or not.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
It's like it's it's a level of uncertainty that most
of us won't experience.

Speaker 6 (01:29:49):
Oh, absolutely well, and Peyton and his was very interesting
because there was and.

Speaker 5 (01:29:54):
I had forgotten about it. It was interesting to go
back and kind of relive.

Speaker 6 (01:29:57):
And look at all of their draft days and I
forgot to about how much it was about, you know,
are the Colts going to take Ryan Leaf, or they're
stupid if they take Peyton Manning.

Speaker 5 (01:30:04):
Ryan Leaf's got the better arm, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:30:06):
So a lot of people thought it'd be Ryan Leaf,
and I mean, hindsight twenty twenty, I think we know
who won bingo.

Speaker 5 (01:30:11):
On that one, the Colts.

Speaker 6 (01:30:13):
And for him to say, I really didn't know until
the day before that the Colts were going to take me,
and he's like, at least, but he said, then again,
you don't actually know till your name gets called. And
he was up for the Heisman Trophy, did not win
that that year, and he brought that up in there.
He said, you know, I'd kind of been through this
a few weeks before at the Heisman and didn't want
to be in another situation where he called it a

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gotcha moment where you're sitting there and you're pretty sure, yep,
you bet, I'm going to be one, two or.

Speaker 5 (01:30:39):
Three, and then you're not, and it's just a horrible
and do you feel bad?

Speaker 6 (01:30:44):
I mean, Brady Quinn went through that when he was up,
and you just feel horrible for these guys watching him going, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Man, all right, so I should know the answer to this.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
But it was a long time ago and I don't
think I even lived in Colorado at the time, but well,
and Peyton Manning was a cult anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
So where was he picked in the draft?

Speaker 6 (01:31:02):
And it was second overall and my first overall was
first overall? Yeah, yeah, all right, so he was first overall.

Speaker 5 (01:31:09):
Yeah, in the nineteen nineteen ninety eight tras.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
And then von Miller was second, second overall, yes, and ham.

Speaker 5 (01:31:16):
Newton was first. So cam Newton goes to the Carolina Panthers. Yeah,
Vaughn gets picked second.

Speaker 6 (01:31:21):
And I thought that was cool what Vaughn said, and
that he really wanted to make John Elway proud because
John Elway had just become the GM, and so he
was really John's first pick as a general manager.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Have you had any time to think about research talk
to the John A. Baron?

Speaker 5 (01:31:37):
No, have not talked to him.

Speaker 6 (01:31:39):
Yeah, and I know a little bit about him, just basically,
you know, Texas.

Speaker 5 (01:31:42):
Great talent could be, you know, playing as a rookie.

Speaker 6 (01:31:46):
I think it's really and it's it goes back to
everybody's like, oh my gosh, they were supposed to take a.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Work on that.

Speaker 5 (01:31:51):
Why didn't they do anything on offense?

Speaker 6 (01:31:52):
But it's that adage of you take the best player available,
and you have somebody that you think can really make
a difference for your team in some certain aspect. And
these guys do this all the time. We are armchair,
We really are. I mean, this is what they do
and they should know what they're doing. And I trust
that they do know what they're doing. So I think
it'll come back around. They'll be like, Hey, you know what,

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that one's so bad?

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
Who else did you talk to for a draft store?

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:32:17):
I got lots of mine. You're gonna ask me.

Speaker 6 (01:32:18):
So I brought up by so Steve Attwaters one of them.
Oh yeah, Steve Foley, Daniel Graham, which Daniel Graham. He
played for the Broncos, but was drafted by the Patriots,
but grew up here, went to high school at TJ
and CEU Boulder, and was the first round pick of
the Patriots, won two Super Bowl rings with him. His
story is hilarious because Bill Belichick called him. He's at
his house over here, right by TJ, in his folks house.

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When they they didn't know who Bill Belichick was. He's like,
I only knew the Broncos. That's all I paid attention
to when I was in Boulder, and I didn't know
who this Bill Belichick guy was. And I'm like, well
you figured out who he was, didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:32:53):
Tight End? Yeah, got John Ross, Yeah, Simon Fletcher, Rick
up Church, Gary Koby.

Speaker 6 (01:32:58):
Gary was interesting to talk to because I asked him
both as a player because you know, he got drafted
the same year as John Owen, and when Gary got drafted,
John got drafted, you know, and then.

Speaker 5 (01:33:09):
Got traded here just a few days later. So Gary's like,
the first.

Speaker 6 (01:33:12):
Day I come to camp, I'm throwing next to John Owen,
I'm like, what is really And then for him to
become a coach and be on the other side of
drafting was really interesting. And he talked about how it's
you know, great to find the Terrell Davis's and the
Byron Chamberlain's and the needles and the haystack, where you know,
you're trying to make good things for your team, but
find those good guys too, and so there's that balance

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that they try and figure out.

Speaker 5 (01:33:34):
And that's the thing too.

Speaker 6 (01:33:35):
You look at a position and you're like, why didn't
they take this position? Well, maybe the guys that are there,
they've done their homework and it maybe is not the
right fit for this team. Maybe character wise, this guy
is going to be better. So there's so much more
that goes into it than just a position that we're needing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
A listeners asking where can I hear these draft stories?

Speaker 6 (01:33:56):
Oh good, so on our draft coverage obviously, which you
can listen to. I guess I played a lot of
them last night. They will tonight and also tomorrow. But Ross,
I think what I'll do after the draft is I'm
going to put them all together in one podcast episode
and I'll put it as a special edition on Cut, Traded, Fired, Retired,
which is my podcast, So I'll have it as an
episode in there, and I'll just put.

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
Them all back to back to back to back.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
Listener says, Susie has the best curly hair.

Speaker 5 (01:34:19):
Oh that's so sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:34:21):
It's a crazy today, so.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Tell us, and then we're going to do a thing
together here in a second. But just tell us.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
What is one thing about doing your job as the
Broncos sideline reporter that most people don't understand?

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Oh? Good question.

Speaker 6 (01:34:38):
Honestly, relationships and getting to know players so that when
the losses happen, you can go up and talk to
them and they will talk to you, and they know
that I'm not gonna, you know, throw crazy stuff at them.
They trust me, and I think that's the biggest Thing's
just constantly developing and maintaining relationships with players and coaches,

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and that's you know, well for me for thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
Years, thirty years.

Speaker 5 (01:35:03):
Almost Yeah, I started a KOA in ninety eight.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
How long and how long you've been doing the sideline, So.

Speaker 5 (01:35:08):
I'll go into my seventh year, so six years lace
year's total.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
Yes, is that just such an unbelievable highlight of your life,
of my life.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
When I get to me down there as the biggest.

Speaker 6 (01:35:18):
Perk of my job, it's funny and you know, and
I'll tell Dave Tepper this too all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:35:23):
Him coming here and being in.

Speaker 6 (01:35:25):
Charge of all of this has helped my position expand
a lot, because it used to just be pretty much
telling injuries and that was it. And so now I'm
giving the freedom to really say, this is my zone.

Speaker 5 (01:35:35):
We play zone.

Speaker 6 (01:35:35):
We are on our you know, Dave's offense, and Rick's
watching the other side of the ball, and I'm on
the sidelines, and so these are my I get this
part and I get to talk about what happens here
that people.

Speaker 5 (01:35:45):
Can't see, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:35:46):
I mean, sometimes TV will flash over to this or
that and I'll have a and that's maybe. Sometimes things
I can't see and AJ I'll say, hey, they just
showed Sean Payton doing this.

Speaker 5 (01:35:53):
I'm like, oh, well, I can't see past the six
foot guy, so thank you, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:35:57):
But if anything else happens, I can see it, and
it's it's kind of cool to be able to bring
that to listeners of what's happening, that you go behind
the curtain, and that's a fun part of the job too.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Love it all right. Susie Warden is the Broncos sideline reporter.