04-28-25 - *FULL SHOW* Californication; Trump & Ukraine; NFL Draft; Canada Election

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Obviously with a show as just enormous and worldwide and
globally famous as the Ross Kaminski Show, I have listeners
absolutely everywhere, with the possible exception of Antarctica, and I
do think there may be some penguins listening on the
iHeart app there.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
But in any case, the.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Reason I want to mention that is if you are
one of my listeners who is in Spain or Portugal,
I would like you to know that Red Electric, Spain's
national power grid operator, has said that it could take
up to ten hours more and that was probably from
maybe an hour ago. Could take ten hours more for

(00:41):
them to get your power back on much of the
Iberian Peninsula, much of Spain and Portugal, it's in a
power outage right now, and so I just as a
public service announcement to my many many listeners on the
Iberian Peninsula, I want you to know that your power
may be out for quite a while longer, So don't
open your fridge or for a while, try to conserve

(01:02):
your battery, your phone battery, and don't drive if you
don't have to into you know, cities where the outages
in the in the traffic lights are causing all kinds
of traffic. By the way, I'm not joking. This is
actually going on right now, right massive traffic jams like
they're evacuating parts of Madrid and stuff, you know, around Lisbon,

(01:22):
Portugal and so on. In any case, in any case,
it looks like it's not going to be not gonna
be back on for a while. And they haven't said
why it happened, I guess, so hopefully they'll they'll figure
it out.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
So I wanted to share that with you.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
What else, I always love reacting to stuff that happens
in our newscasts, And something just struck me a moment
ago in Pat Woodard's newscast, And it wasn't really a
thing about the news, but it was just a thing
that struck me anyway, So I thought I would mention
it to you, And that is Pat Woodard said what

(01:55):
the high temperature or the weather generally is going to
be today, And then he said, tomorrow will be a
carbon copy of today, by a show of hands. And
I only am asking now people under the age of

(02:16):
let's say forty five, by a show of hands. If
you are forty five or under, how many of you
know what a carbon copy is? A few hands. How
many of you even heard the term carbon copy?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Maybe half, maybe half have even heard the term carbon copy.
And I want to say, it looks to me, just
looking at the show of hands, it looks to me
like maybe eleven or thirteen percent actually know what carbon
copy means.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
And I'm not going to explain it to you right now.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
You can go, you can go look it up. But
that just struck me because it was a phrase that
I know what it means, but I haven't heard it
in a long time, and it's a really good one.
I really like carbon copy. It's a great phrase. Okay,
I don't know. Look, it's Monday. We start slowly on
the show. We don't just jump right into all the
heaviest stuff on Monday.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
You know better than that. We got to warm up slowly.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
We got to get the lubrication, the oil in the
crank case warmed up, and so we don't just turn
on the car and just you know, go one hundred
and seventeen miles an hour or turn the amp up
to eleven just right away.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
We warm up slowly on a Monday on this show.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
So you may recall some months ago I told you
about a crazy story from Disney World in Florida where
a former employee who is described using one of my
favorite adjectives for employees, disgruntled. By the way, I've never

(03:52):
heard of somebody being gruntled, So I'm not sure what
disgruntled is, which maybe goes into the same category as
flammable and inflammable, meaning the same thing, which is also
really odd. What you just don't know where my brain

(04:13):
I don't either. I was just wondering if it's attached
to Hansel and Gretel.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Hm mm hmm, all right, disgretled mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
So he's a disgruntled former Disney employee. And what he
did was he hacked their computer system that kept control
of their restaurant menus. Do you remember this story, Shannon?
Does this sound familiar? He hacked the restaurant menu system.
And you know these days how like every third person
has an allergy to something that they're going to die
from if they even get a sniff of a peanut

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or an egg or dairy or something. So what he did,
so the Disney menu has these little footnotes, right, you know,
has this allergen, has that allergen if you're allergic to
dare if your celiac and can't have gluten, what you know.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Don't eat this.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
And of course you would do that, because lots of
people do have these allergies, or at least think they do,
and uh, and it could be a.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Real health risk.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
And Disney doesn't want to get sued and they don't
want pissed off customers and all that. So and obviously
you have everybody from everywhere in the world going to Disney.
So they have these footnotes and it says it has
these allergen warnings. And what this guy did was he
he ACKed in and changed them and basically made it
look like a bunch of stuff that had allergens that

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could be potentially dangerous for some people were safe when
they when they weren't, which is I think, I get
maybe you're mad at Disney, But even if you're that's
just not cool. Even if you're mad at the company, right,
go spray paint something on a sign somewhere, or go
post a nasty thing about the CEO or whatever. But
you were like, really, if somebody does have a bad

(06:00):
allergy and they eat something that they think is safe
because the menu was altered and dies, that's not cool,
and that person shouldn't have been an intended victim. It's
really very bad. Even though I was kind of making
fun of it a little bit, that's really bad. So
he was, by the way, a menu production manager, whatever
that means, and he was just sentenced to three years

(06:25):
in prison, so I wanted you to be aware of that.
The upside of this story, by the way, well I
don't know if it's upside. Disney claims that his changes
to the menu were detected before that menu made it
into customer's hands, so apparently what he was trying to
do never ended up posing the risk he was trying

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to pose. People didn't see it, and people didn't think
but he was trying to do that. In any case,
three years in prison. I think he served six months already,
so he's going to get credit for that six months.
This article at NBC News says he helps to be
released after serving eighty five percent.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Of his sentence.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
And then this is the very end of the ABC,
I'm sorry, the NBC story, and this is quoting his attorney.
His attorney says he's very remorseful and apologize to the
victims during the hearing, he's eager to get back home
to his wife and three young daughters. He was the
sole earner in the family as his wife has a
number of medical issues and homeschools their children, so he

(07:25):
will look for work upon his release. And I have
to say, I mean again, not trying to be sarcastic
or overly you know, angry or bitter or whatever at
the guy. Even what he did was bad, but seriously,
who's going to hire him now? I mean what or
at least what kind of in what kind of good job,

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What kind of good job would he be able to
get when somebody looks up his name and finds that
he was the guy who did that. I won't go
quite so far as to say I feel bad for him,
but you know, play stupid games, win stupid prize.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
It would have been funnier if he had added extra
icons for people who could possibly be allergic to things
like air and water.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Producer Shannon pat Woodard said that Tuesday is going to
be a carbon copy of Wednesday as far as the
weather goes. I said, I wonder how many Youngish people
know what carbon copy means. And a listener texted in
and pointed out that CC on an email means carbon copy.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
So that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
So I don't know how many people who email actually
know that CC means carbon copy, But even if they do,
I don't know if they know what the term carbon
where the term carbon copy comes from. Hmm, Ross, what
if we hack a menu so only blue cheese and
bell peppers are on the menu?

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Wow, you really don't like me very much, do you.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
All Right, we have a lot of stuff still to
do today. Obviously, I mean we just started the show. Obviously,
we have a lot of stuff still to do. We
are going to spend a little bit of time later
this hour talking about the really remarkable Shador Sanders story
of how he was thought to be somewhere between a
first round to early second round pick and he ended

(09:12):
up going with one hundred and forty fourth pick in
the fifth round of the NFL draft. And I actually
think it's a fascinating story, not just from a sports perspective,
but I think there's aspects of it that are where
you can kind of broaden out to lessons in life.
So we're gonna talk with Mark Johnson, Voice of the Buffalos,
just in about fifteen minutes about that. Near the end

(09:33):
of the show, we're gonna talk with Ryan Edwards. You
heard Ben Elbright a little bit ago here on KOWA
on Colorado's Morning News. We're gonna have Ryan Edwards on
talking about the Broncos picks in the NFL draft, and
in between that, about an hour and a quarter from now,
we're gonna have Wayne Loaguson, who is a editorial page
editor of the Colorado Springs Gazette, who wrote a fabulous

(09:54):
opinion piece for the Gazette which is also it's also
posted at Denver Gazette, and it's called Dream of Californication,
and it's a it's quite a long piece about the
very many areas of law and public policy where Colorado
is going in the wrong direction, which is to say,
it's going in the direction of turning into California. Let

(10:18):
me also mention that tomorrow you can hang out with
Dave Logan and the aforementioned Ryan and Nick Ferguson at
Sam's Number three Diner and Bar in Glendale on South
Cherry Street, where you can catch the Nuggets and the
Avalanche as well.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
I don't I don't think the Avs play.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Tuesday, Well, the the Aves play tonight. I think the
Nuggets play Tuesday night. Shannon, are you gonna be there?
Are you doing that remote? So yeah, most of our
remotes that you hear me talk about, producer Shannon will
be there too, so you can say hi to him.
So anyway, it's tomorrow from three to six, hang out
with Dave and Ryan and Nick at Sam's Number three
in Glendale and South Cherry Street.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
You'll be checking out and that.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
In that case, you'll be checking out the the Nuggets
playoff game. So what else did I want to mention?
The Pope's funeral happened on Saturday. Donald Trump went. He
Obviously they had the funeral pretty quickly after the pope
passed away. So it was also a quick decision by
Donald Trump whether to go to Italy or not. Normally,
normally president's international travels or planned pretty foreign advance because

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there's a lot to do, but not in this case,
because he didn't have time, so he went. Apparently there
are a lot of other foreign leaders there, as you
would expect in a lot of them wanted to get
some time with Trump. I did see him talking with
the president of France. I think he was going to
try to talk with the president of the Prime Minister
of Italy Georgia Maloney. I don't know, but the really

(11:42):
kind of famous picture, I mean, this is going to
be like an award winning picture that came out of
It is Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Zelenski sitting each
on two chairs that are like old medal with plush
red upholstery in a big room that I don't know

(12:05):
if they're in the church there, but maybe in a
big room as part of a big cathedral, big church.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Just the two of them.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
You cannot see any other person, any other furniture, any
anything in the room. And the picture probably encompasses an
area that's you know, fifty feet square. It's a big space,
and it's just the two of them sitting face to face.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Their knees are almost touching each other.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Right, the chairs are facing each other, their knees are
almost touching each other.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
And in this one picture you.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Can you can see that Zelenski is saying or explaining
or whatever something to Donald Trump, who appears to be
listening intently.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
It's a fascinating picture.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
And andre Yermak, who's part of the Ukrainian government kind
of like chief of staff to Zelenski, posted this picture
with a word in Ukrainian. But if you can read
cyrillic even a little bit, you can actually understand what
the word is. You don't even need a translator if
you know, you know, for example, that their letter that
looks like an H is an N in our language, right,

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and their letter that looks like a C is pronounced
like an S in our language, and their letter that
looks like a P is pronounced like an R and
R language. So anyway, if you know that a little bit,
you can figure out the word and constructive.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
That was the Ukrainians word.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
It was constructive, And I think that's great. I'm I'm
very very glad that President Trump sat down with with
Ukrainian President Zelenski had to listen, don't know, you know, yeah,
I don't think Donald Trump is gonna quickly change his
mind on anything, but he does appear to be getting
a little bit frustrated with Putin, and he seems to

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be coming around to the perspective that just just maybe
Vladimir Putin doesn't actually want peace. You know, many of
us have thought that for a while, but if you know,
better late than never. So if Trump comes around to
that view and start ciding a little more with Ukraine
and less with Russia. I think that would be great
for the whole world, including for the US. But just

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the fact that they sat down and met is a
is a very big deal. And you know, considering that
Trump has made clear that he doesn't have much like
or even much regard for Zelenski, I'm I'm very pleased
with Trump for you know, putting that aside and sitting

(14:29):
down with him. And we will we will see what
comes of it. All Right, We'll take a quick break.
We'll be right back with Mark Johnson, the voice of
the Colorado Buffs, and talk about really the fascinating story
that transcends sports, about what happened about Shador Sanders historic.
I guess you would call it collapse in the NFL Draft,

(14:49):
watching the NFL Draft, or just you know, catching up
on news stories about the NFL Draft. One of the
most shocking things that's probably ever happened in the happened
in this draft. And I'm not talking about the really
amazing historical thing of CU Buffalo's Travis Hunter being the
first player in the history of the draft to be

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announced with both an offensive and defensive position at the draft.
In the draft, which is pretty amazing. And we talked
about that last week. When he went second in the draft,
a lot of folks thought shud Or Sanders coach Dion
Sanders Prime, coach Prime's son would be, you know, maybe
picked by the Steelers, perhaps in the first round, maybe
someone else in the first round, maybe or else the

(15:33):
second round pick, but he didn't end up going in
the second round. Joining us to talk about not only
what happened, but I want to just dig into some
more stuff, is the Voice of the Buffalo's Mark Johnson. Mark,
thanks so much for making time for us.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
You bet, good morning.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Okay, So where did he go and who took him?

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Well, he went with a one hundred and forty fourth pick,
that's the fifth round, and he's on his way to
the Cleveland Browns, which is kind of interesting because now
they've got five quarterbacks on that roster the way. In fact,
they drafted two. Dylan Gabriel, the Oregon quarterback, went the
round before Shador and so you got two rookie quarterbacks
and three veteran quarterbacks including Joe Flacco Josie there So

(16:13):
it's a it's a fascint The entire weekend Ross was
this bizarre soap opera of you know, became this question
when would it happen? I mean it was it was
a ken that who shot j R. Over the weekend? Right? Probably?

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, talking about.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
So one of the things.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
I've got so many aspects of this that I want
to ask you about, but you just made me think
of a question. Yeah, do you do you think it's
possible that there are some team that was thinking of
taking Shadoor Sanders They didn't have a high enough pick
where they thought they'd be able to get him, and
they didn't. They weren't going to take him in the
first round, but they thought, okay, we liked him reasonably well,

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and then they see team after team after team pass
on him. Do you think that some other team that
might have been thinking about taking them would would say
to themselves, I wonder if we're missing something here and
there's some risk here that we don't know about, and so,
you know what, we're going to do something else.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Well, I think that that might be part of it.
You know, human nature is human nature. I mean we've
all seen, you know where somebody will will walk out
in the middle of the mall somewhere, and those stands
start looking up, and pretty soon everyone of the ball
is looking up, trying to figure out, you know, why
somebody's looking up in the air, And so I think
there's a tendency to follow in some respects Now, on
the other side of that coin is the fact that
these NFL franchises do an unbelievable amount of background of work.

(17:39):
There are no secrets in the NFL draft, and so
for somebody to miss something that would cause that kind
of fault probably didn't happen, But I'm not going to
discount it because I think we see that at different times,
and you know, you start thinking, well, that guy's backing off,
what's the day's going to need that position? So maybe
maybe they did miss something. I think that's just part
of human nature. But this thing was so multi facetted.

(18:02):
I think it's it's really an interesting study. What do
you think about it?

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, just one quick random story that you just reminded
me of and doesn't have anything to do with sports.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
But I visited Russia.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
One time, and a couple of times when I was
in a city, I'd see a long line of people
going into somewhere and I'd ask, like a Russian that
I was walking with, or a Russian at a hotel,
you know, what's that line?

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Why are they in that line?

Speaker 1 (18:27):
And the answer was always the same, I don't know
what they're in the line for. But here, if there's
ever a line, people will just get in it in
case there's something good at the.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
End of the line.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Well, there you go, right, isn't that great quality to
all of us in hand respects?

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Indeed, so I have some Okay, let's let's talk about
this part. As I read some of the stories about
possibly explaining what happened, I see a bunch of stuff
about how he didn't interview very well.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Can you elaborate ones?

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Well? With what we're hearing? Is that? And by the way,
this kind of feeds into I think a larger issue
that we're dealing with right now in college slash professional athletics.
And so when we're hearing some of the stuff out there,
and who knows what's true and know it's not right,
but the accusation, or at least the allegations out there,
is that Shadour carried himself differently than what a traditional

(19:26):
college athlete would when you're coming, you know, to the
throne of the National Football League, right Traditionally, what's happened
An athlete walks in and you genuflect because it's the
NFL and you're a poor college student and this is
my opportunity to gain worldwide fame and generational wealth. Well,
ross what's happening in college athletics now? And I think

(19:46):
Shador Sanders might be the poster boy for this when
you think about it, because now you've got college athletes
who number one, have become national celebrity. Shouldur certainly would
be that making a lot of money, a lot of money,
a door made somewhere between four and six million dollars
if you believe the reports. And so he's a social
media sensation. He comes through a football royalty within his family.

(20:10):
And so now college athletes come to the table with
the NFL, not with that very humble, you know, a
pardon me for being here, I really wish to be
part of the club kind of attitude. They come in
and accomplished human being in in many respects, and so
it's a different I think this is a really fascinating
area we're getting into in college sports right now that

(20:31):
everyone's going to have to adjust to a little bit,
because now this kid's not coming in there going you know,
I need you really badly. He's coming saying listen, I
can add to your franchise, but I don't have the
genuflect anymore. I think that that's part of what we're
dealing with here.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
I read that one of the coaches that he interviewed
with gave him, you know, a package as you would
give a quarterback to understand what plays whatever, and then
had him in to talk about it, and he hadn't prepared.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
And that's true. That that's concerning, right.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yes, So that's the story. He hadn't done the preparation.
And then when the coach was a little bit displeased
that he hadn't done the preparation, then Sanders got mad
at Shadoor. Sanders got mad at the coach for being
mad at him for not preparing. That was what I
was reading. But I don't know what, Like you said,
I don't know what's true and what's not. But that's
what's that's what's out there. Let me switch gears with
you for a second, so as you know better than anybody, Chadoor,

(21:18):
Sanders won, and you can correct me if I'm wrong,
but I think it's thirteen.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Games in two years, that's right.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
And you know, considering where CU football was, that's fabulous.
And he got in a bowl game and he got
people excited, and he got I'm gonna call him your
team mark on on television, on national television, over and over,
and it's a very big deal. But I think some
people think, and I'm probably one of them, that going

(21:47):
as far as retiring his jersey, played into this thing
where you were just pumping him up too much. He's
just a college kid. He's not his dad in the pros.
He's not God, he's not right. And I just I
felt a little bit, all right, let me add one
more thing and then you can elaborate on whatever you want.

(22:07):
In business, my strategy is always to underpromise and overdeliver.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
And I felt like what they were setting up with
Shador was not necessarily over promising, because maybe he could deliver,
but they were certainly putting him in a position where
he couldn't deliver more than he promised because they just
pumped him up so much.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Well, and to your point, I think this entire issue
has extreme ridiculousness on either end of it, right there
is the extreme criticism of him saying, well, he only
won thirteen games in two years. There, Well, yeah, but
consider where the program was to your point of where
he brought it to. Okay, you've got to understand that.
So just because he went thirteen to ten in two

(22:51):
years and that's not an overpowering winning percentage, is not
a criticism against him. Consider what he took a great
what he built, So that that dishpells that extreme end
of the criticism of Shadora's handers. The other side is
that's kind of what you're talking about, this over promising
on the front end, that's kind of the world in

(23:12):
which we're living in this social media hygh hyperbole filled
existence we seem to have where every photograph you know
makes you look like you're a model, everything you post
online makes you look spectacular. There's never a problem, there's
never a blemish, there's never anything wrong, You're perfect in
all times. That's the other end of this that I
think is distorting our perception and what reality actually is

(23:33):
and see and so it's it's part of the overall
package we're dealing with you with right now. And I'm
not sure anybody is quite certain how to kind of
navigate what we're dealing with, but it's the new reality
of what we're dealing with, and so he's not going
to be the last one. He certainly wasn't the first one.
I mean, you think of what Tim Tebow was or
Johnny Man's a number of years ago, or or you know,
there was a Reggie Bush a number of years back.

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There was phenomenal hoopla that went along with these guys,
but it's been magnified because of what kind of that
alternate media has become and what it's done without our lives.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, and I'm going to talk with Ryan Edwards later
about the Broncos side, but I'll just mention in comparison
that the Broncos first pick was was a guy who,
according to reports, spent the hour before the draft in
church talking with his pastor or a priest or somebody. Right,

(24:25):
it's a very different vibe from Shador. Although again shador
Is and his family they appear to be actually devout people,
you know, real believers, Shador praising God the whole way through,
even when he was getting delayed. But still the vibe
is different.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Well, with that question and it's about the presentation, right,
it's and the perception of it. You hear about the
young man Baron who out of Texas that the Broncos recruit,
he does his thing. The image of what the Sanders
family is is very different than that, Right, There's a
and that comes from you know, his father for years
coming out of college at Florida State, was you know,

(25:03):
Neon Dion Prime Time And it's about being showy and
being a spectacle in some respects. And so it's just
part of the I think, the overall package that we see,
and some of that's bled over onto the Suns then
of course, and then some they've created themselves, and so
it becomes part of that. And you know, that whole
line about perception is reality in a lot of people,
and so there's not a lot of forgiveness that comes

(25:25):
along with that. Then for some people when they witness
what they saw as a humbling set of circumstances for
Shador of the Weekend, and they're not gonna be very
forgiving in that regard.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, you know, I don't look at that. I do
think that they're a little bit full of themselves, but
I didn't look at what happened with Shador with some
sense of schadenfreud or glee that he was being taken
down a peg. You know, I think he did great
things for CU football. I enjoy I enjoy his his dad.
He's made, he's made everything even here at KOA as

(25:57):
you know, like more fun, more interesting question, and so
I'm not like happy that that happened to him, but
I think it's a fascinating story. All right.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Two more quick questions.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
If you were a betting man, would you bet that
Shador Sanders will play in any regular season game, not
preseason for the Cleveland Browns this coming season?

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Interesting question because of the crowded nature that quarterback room
at this point, you say, well, that's going to be
a heck of a challenge. However, I do think that
room and that thing will be thinned out a little
bit by the time we get to the regular season,
because even those veteran quarterbacks are going to look at
that and say, you know what, there's a lot going
on here. I'm not here to deal with this. If

(26:44):
you've got three guys in a quarterback room, I think
they're all willing to accept that. So my guess is
two of those guys are gonna be gone by the
time you get to Fall. Anyway, you have not time
you get the training camp in August. And so my
guess I'm gonna say, yes, he will be on the
field because I do this, despite what we saw of
the weekend. I do think he's the starting quarterback in
the NFL. Now what happened this weekend. Dropping the fifth

(27:06):
round makes it a little bit more challenging for him
to get there. When your first round draft pick, they
automatically kind of annoints you and you get, you know,
kind of that preferential treatment. He's going to have to
go out and earn it at this point and really
prove himself. And I think he'll Seeing what I saw
with him and being around him for two years, my
guess is he'll get on the field at some point
this season.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah. So, And just like I don't want to be
overly critical or sound happy because I'm not as to
what happened to him, I don't want to play this
next thing too far. But I do think that in
a sense, being humbled like that, and it must be
incredibly humbling, could in the long run be an incredible
benefit to him.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
I think there's a possibility of that. Oh with that question, now,
he's going to lose some money on the front end here,
ye think about that. Yeah, but from somewhere around a
forty five million dollar contract to what a four million
dollar contract by the time it's all said and done,
and so there's an issue there. But there might be,
and it certainly is going to end up being a
great story, you know what with one of his his

(28:05):
father preachers all the time, you know about you know,
overcoming adversity and overcoming the doubters and all that kind
of thing. If this turns out to be a successful story,
it's a phenomenal story and his kind of answer to
the mystique of the kind of that Sanders message in
Sanders family.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Last question for you again, if you were a betting man,
would you bet that during a regular season game, Travis
Hunter will play at least not at least one play
on both offense and defense within one game.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
I think that's a very safe bet because my guess
is with him, it's awful tough in the National Football
League from a physical standpoint, regardless of how talented the
individual is, and Travis is as talented as anybody it's
very difficult with the physicality of that game to play
the kind of numbers that he played in college. I
could play one hundred and twenty f snaps like you
did in college. Here're not gonna do that in the NFL.

(29:03):
My guess is what you see as him being a
lockdown corner, he'll play his fifty five sixty snaps on
the defensive side, and they'll create some sort of package
where he's maybe on offense eight to twelve to fifteen snaps,
something along those lines. I think that's almost a guarantee
because of the kind of tools he has and the
type of skill that he has.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
I think you're right. I'm absolutely with you on that bet.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
I also think that throwing him in there, you know,
as an extra receiver on third downs or well whenever,
it doesn't matter what down, could do a lot to
take the defense's lockdown corner off of some other very
good receiver. I guess we're talking about Jacksonville now, and

(29:47):
so you could see him be you know, a fabulous decoy,
not really a decoy, but but you know, a magnet
to take the lockdown corner or lockdown safety away from
whoever the other receiver is on the other ross.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
He's the kind of guy when he steps on the
field on the offensive side, automatically the defense has to
be very concerned about him, regardless who have been out there,
maybe you know the other forty five plays of the game.
You have to cover him because he is such a
dynamic player, and so that is going to create some
mean or's problems for NFL defense is when he's out there,
and so yeah, there is no doubt we're going to

(30:23):
see him on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Mark Johnson, his voice of the Colorado Buffaloes, Thanks for
making time for us, Mark, that was a really fun conversation.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
You bet Ross stick here you too, all right.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Very good, Very good. I enjoyed that a lot.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
I don't I don't talk a lot of sports on
the show, and when I do, it's usually NFL. So
it's kind of cool to talk about. Well, this is
this is That was actually more of an NFL conversation
than a college conversation. But I enjoyed that quite a bit,
and I hope you did too. All Right, lots of
other stories I want to get to with you today.
This one came out over the weekend and I and

(30:57):
actually it was on Friday afternoon, and it wouldn't surprise
me if it happened Friday afternoon, because the Trump administration
wanted it out on Friday afternoon so that it would
kind of get lost in the news cycle.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
And people wouldn't talk about it so much.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Even though I don't really think it's a I ically
think this is kind of good news. Anyway. Here's the
headline from the Colorado Sun, ice is reversing termination of
legal status for international students around the US.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Lawyers say, actually it's.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
An associated press piece posted at the Colorado Sun and
the subhead dozens of Colorado students were among the more
than twelve hundred students nationwide who suddenly lost their legal
status or had visas revoked. And the New York Times
has a similar version of the story.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
US restores legal status for.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Many international students, but warrens of removals to come so
in any case, some for some reason, for some reason,
on Friday, the federal government said that they were basically
what they were doing is undleting records from a particular

(32:09):
database called I guess it's called sevis SEVS, and they
are undleting those records. Those records had the immigration permissions
for people here on student visas. STEVIS stands for the
Student and Exchange Visitor Information Systems Database that tracks international

(32:32):
students compliance with their visa status. So what the administration
had gone through is they were just deleting stuff. So
then if a foreigner isn't even in the database, then
they can't be here, right If they're there on this
student visa and they're not listed there, then they got
to go. So they just deleted them. Now they are
undleting them. They're not saying everybody's going to be able

(32:52):
to stay, but what I think they're finding is that
they went to revoke student visas from from people who
had uh and I'm not saying this is everybody, all right,
but from people who had maybe a minor traffic violation,
or or maybe from some who were facing criminal charges

(33:13):
but haven't been convicted. Now you might say just facing
criminal charges should be enough to get you thrown out
of the country, but I don't think that's right in
the United States of America. What if you simply didn't
do it right, and that can that can absolutely happen.
So anyway, I just wanted to share that with you
they're they're backing off, but they're not saying you're all safe.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
They're saying, you know, we're gonna.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Look through these records a little more carefully, and the
people who deserve to have their student visas revoked will
have their student visas revoked.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
And that is as it should be.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Right.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
One other international story I just want to share with
you briefly.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
There there's a big port in Iran called shahied Raja and.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
All, gosh, what was this? Maybe Friday?

Speaker 1 (34:03):
There was a massive explosion at and this is Iran's
biggest commercial port.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Right, there was a massive explosion.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
And I haven't checked the updates on the numbers, but
early on after the explosion they said at least forty
people were dead and at least one thousand people were injured.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
And there's two interesting parts to this story.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
One is that it seems like the people of Iran
are pretty pissed off because this because the other thing.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
That I wanted to mention.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
The theory right now is that the explosion was due
to when I'm quoting here, improper handling of a shipment
of solid fuel intended for use in Iranian ballistic missiles. Right,
So the Iranians are trying to do this covert weapons program.
Well it's not really covert. We know they have a
ballistic missile program. And now it appears that mishandling of

(34:59):
the fuel for the that program has killed at least
forty injured at least a thousand, and the people are
pretty mad.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
Right.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
The government's job is to keep you safe. Now, I
don't know that anything's gonna happen to be able to
overthrow the Iranian government. On the other hand, not a
lot of people thought that the previous Iranian government with
the shaw was going to be overthrown, and it was.
So here's hoping every day the like phone burner kinds
of questions, and don't I don't probably I'm the the

(35:27):
show or something. Yeah, And I don't probably use them
as often as I should, even though a lot of
them are actually quite interesting. So I thought I would
throw one in there today, and I'll start with asking dragon,
but you don't have to answer right now, and just
ponder for a while. And I'm gonna ask listeners to
ponder the same question.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
And I like what.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Question it is. It was, what's the least favorite meal
that your mother cooked for dinner when you were growing up?
What was your least favorite meal that your mother would
cook for dinner when you were growing up? So text
us at five six six nine zero. With your answer,
any stories about your mom's cooking. I guess you could
put your dad's cooking, But for most of us, especially
at above a certain.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Age, it was usually the moms who cooked.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
It wasn't wasn't the world we have today where you
got as many dads cooking his moms. Probably, But what
what was the least favorite meal that your mom would
cook for dinner?

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Text Us at five six six nine zero.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
And remember there are no right answers, but there can
be wrong answers, So Dragon, don't tell me an answer.
But did something immediately come into your mind?

Speaker 6 (36:28):
I don't know if i'd consider it a full meal,
but yes, something something that she does to something that
is absolutely Does it.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Involve blue cheese?

Speaker 5 (36:40):
No?

Speaker 1 (36:41):
All right, so text us at five six sixty nine zero,
And we'll share some of your stories and we'll get
Dragon's answer in a minute. All right, let's do a
follow up on a story we did last week. So remember, Dragon,
were you in here when I talked about the band
fish getting over three hundred thousand votes for the Music
Hall of Rock and Roll Hall of missed that. You
missed that, Okay, So it must have been in the

(37:02):
first hour of the show, and maybe.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Shannon was with me then.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
So every year the Rock Hall, you know, they have
these new inductees and they do a vote of the fans,
a vote of the people. And what I told you
when we talked about this last week was two things.
First of all, the band Fish like the Ben and
Jerry's ice cream flavor fish food, And I don't know
why a band would name themselves after an ice cream flavor,

(37:27):
but apparently they did. Sorry, somebody's gonna believe you. I
know that's exactly That's exactly what's going through my head.
Two or three people going, I didn't know that. Take
that's a trivia name. The band Fish named themselves after
the Ben and Jerry's fish food flavor.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Let's go with that, shall we.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Okay, So the band Fish got by far the most
fan votes, over three hundred, three hundred and something thousand
fan votes. So dragon, you would think that whoever wins
that fan vote would like automatically have a huge edge
going in think you would think, but here's how it

(38:10):
actually works. There are somewhere around twelve hundred votes that
are cast in the voting for inductees for the Rock
and Roll Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
The winner of the fan.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Balloting, again over three hundred thousand votes cast for Fish
and over a million votes cast overall, gets one vote
out of that twelve hundred. Right one of those ballots
is filled by the winner of the fan vote, even
though the fan vote got hundreds of thousands of votes.

(38:45):
The other thing that I mentioned to you is that
it's only happened one time. If I remember from the
articles I was reading, It's only happened one time that
a ban a band won the fan vote and did
not get into the Rock Hall that year. That was
Dave Matthews band, who did get in four years later.

(39:07):
So I wanted you to know that the newest entries
into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame are bad company.
They were second in the fan vote Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker,
Cindy Lauper, Outcast, Soundgarden, and the White Stripes nary a

(39:34):
mention of Fish. Those who didn't make the cut this
year included The Black Crows, Billy Idol, Billy Idol came
in third in the fan voting, some group called Manna
m Ana with an accent that I never heard of,
and Fish all first time nominees along with Mariah Carey
and Oasis both nominated last year for the first time,

(39:56):
and Joy Division aka New Order in there later in
our nations. I all right, I'm gonna ask listeners another question.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
The one question we have going right now.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Is what's the thing your mom used to cook for
dinner that you liked least? But I'm gonna ask you
another question.

Speaker 6 (40:12):
I'm surprised by some of these things really quickly. I'm
not gonna say that. Yeah, don't say, and we'll do
them in the next size. By how many of this
one item is out there?

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Really?

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Is it meat loaf?

Speaker 3 (40:22):
No?

Speaker 1 (40:23):
So the other the other question I have for listeners,
and you could try, if you're very clever, to combine
the two answers. But my question is does Mariah Carey
count as rock music? Should she be? Should she be
even under consideration for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
I mean, obviously she's hugely famous, but is she rock

(40:44):
and roll?

Speaker 6 (40:44):
Guests can get in and yeah, yeah you think so.
Look at how many.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Non rock artists are in the Rock and Roll Hall
of Fame.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
As if I actually pay attention to the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame, I just like.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
I just like the fact that you know this thing
where the band that got that won the fan vote
only didn't get into the Rock Hall that same year
only one time in the past, and it just happened again.
So that was the part of the story that I enjoyed.
I'm gonna mention one other thing. So Chad Bauer has
noted in the past couple of newscasts this fairly remarkable

(41:16):
story out of Colorado Springs, and different news outlets have
different numbers. ABC says over two hundred people were detained.
That's not necessarily the same as being arrested, but over
two hundred people detained, including members of the military, an
unlicensed nightclub in Colorado. So I just want to mention
two very quick things on this. First, Donald Trump posted

(41:38):
yesterday on his social media platform, A big raid last night.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Oh run, oh jeez, did I just lose that?

Speaker 1 (41:48):
A big raid last night on some of the worst
people illegally in our country, drug dealers, murderers, and other
violent criminals of all shapes.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
And sizes, and.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Judges don't want to send them back to where they
came from. If we don't win this battle at the
Super Supreme Court in our country as we know it
is finished, it will be a crime ridden mess.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Make America great again.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
So Donald Trump noted the thing in Colorado Springs. You
heard some audio that Chad played of the owner of
the building in Colorado Springs saying he was shocked by this.
He wasn't running the building, he has leased it out.
And I guess whoever has the lease was running this
illegal quote unquote underground nightclub with gang members and guns
and drugs and prostitutes. And of course prostitutions should be legal.

(42:26):
But that's another conversation. But to me, the most incredible part,
and I don't know for sure that this is corroborated,
but I've seen it reported in a couple of places,
not just that there were active duty members of the
US military there, but some places have reported that members
of the US military were providing security for the event.

(42:48):
I don't know for sure that that's true. I'm just
telling you I'm seeing this reported right now. All right,
We're gonna take a quick break when we come back
we're gonna get answers here. As I said, the fan
vote right, is Mariah Carey rock music? And what is
the thing that your mom used to make or maybe
still makes for dinner that you disliked the most? Kind

(43:11):
of interesting A moment ago, a few moments ago, I
was talking about the Colorado Springs underground nightclub raid and
all of that during that break like three minutes ago.
And I'm not sure this is gonna happen, but I
just got a I just got a text from a
producer at the Laura Ingram Show on Fox News asking

(43:34):
me if I wanted to be on the show tonight
to talk about that.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
And I said, sure, I've.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Been on you know, I've been on Fox Affair bit,
but I've never been.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
On her show.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
So all right, I said, of course, you know, so
we'll see you might you might see me on the
Laura Ingram Show tonight. So Dragon was a little surprised,
and I have to say I am too at the
number of responses, the number of a particular answer that

(44:05):
we got to the question of what is the thing
that your mom used to make and maybe still makes
for dinner that you disliked the most? I get it. It
makes a whole lot of sense.

Speaker 6 (44:17):
But I didn't know that many people had that item.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, and I'll give you a clue. Let's see if
you can guess what it is before we tell you
what it is. I would think that a lot of
people who would write that would be a little bit
older and maybe Jewish. I don't think this is something
you would even find I don't think you would find

(44:45):
this on I'm not being sarcastic here. I don't think
you would find this on any restaurant menu, except possibly
like an old school Jewish deli that had as sit
down restaurant associated with it, just making sandwiches, right, that's
I think the only the only place you would find
this kind of thing an afair.

Speaker 6 (45:06):
You made the assertion that it could be a German
thing as well, and well, my mother born in Germany.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Uh never once made this item. Okay, all right, so uh,
I don't think we need to wait longer before before disclosing.
How how many instances do you think you saw of
liver and onions as the answer to the question, Oh
my gosh, we got a lot of answer. We got

(45:31):
We got like one hundred answers to this question, and
most of them are liver and onions by far the
most common. By far, the most common is liver and onions.
I mean, okay, here's what I want to do. Here,
here's what I want to do. Anybody, everybody who texted
in liver and onions as your answer, I want you

(45:54):
to text me back at five six six nine zero
and say either I'm Jewish or I'm not Jewish. Because
my grandma on my dad's side used to make liver
and onions, and I think I tasted it once when
I was visiting my grandma in the Sheepshead Bay neighborhood
of Brooklyn, maybe in the nineteen seventies ish early eighties.

(46:20):
Maybe I think I tasted it. I don't think I
threw up. I don't think I threw that. It wasn't
traumatic enough to weary that you remember that you threw up. No,
oh my gosh, Okay, the one traumatic.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Foo food experience. Now, this doesn't this doesn't.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Include alcoholic beverages, right, because a lot of people can
have traumatic.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Experiences when they drink too much, and I did that
one time.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
But for me, when I was a kid, the traumatic
food experience for me and one of the worst foods
in the world that doesn't involve blue cheese or bell
pepper canned spinach. Now, I actually like regular fresh spinish
spinish leaves that you would put in a salad. But
you know, when I was a kid, we lived on Guam,
so you have to import everything, and you know, the

(47:03):
freshest food, and you know, there's a lot of money.
And I'm talking about the nineteen seventies now, And at
some point my mom had a can of you know whatever,
spinach and and she gave me some and I had
a fork full of it and I almost threw up.

(47:24):
And it wasn't because it was inherently disgusting and taste.
It was the texture and it just was like it
was like can you can you do your sound? No?
The others no, the vomity sound can. Yeah, it was
like that. It was like that. Okay, Okay, So we've
got an immense number of people saying they're not Jewish,
the only one, only one, only one jew among the

(47:46):
liver and onions haters and not Jewish. But I am
from New York, Okay, So the for the people who
are not Jewish who hate liver and onions, which means
that your mom cooked you liver and onions, because that
was the question. And what is your mom's or your
family's heritage.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
We're trying to understand. Is it German, which.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Is what came to my mind. Is it further eastern
in Europe?

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Right?

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Is it? Is it Poland? Ukraine, Russia, Hungary? Right? I
think my grandma's ancestry, that grandma I think was Hungarian actually,
and I don't have I don't have German ancestors mine
or mostly Ukrainian and uh and and maybe like an
eighth or a sixteenth Hungarian and Polish, I think, but

(48:31):
mostly mostly Ukrainian. So yeah, I want to know, we
we we want to know it is. It is shocking
how many people said liver and onions. Nothing else was
even close. We had a few, uh, tunic casseroles, right,
a few tunic casseroles.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
I think tunic casseroles.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Was in second, but it was in such a distance second, yeah,
that you can barely even all right, we'll take a
quick break.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
We'll be right back on KOA.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
We'll talk about the californication of Colorado. Dragon listeners are
just getting a little annoyed that we haven't told them
what food your mother made, or what way your mother.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Made food that you really hated.

Speaker 6 (49:12):
Cake, cake, cake, Now, it wasn't the cake itself, it
was the frosting she put on the cake.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
What was wrong with it.

Speaker 6 (49:19):
My mother's idea of frosting is granulated white sugar and butter.
You mix those two together and that's frosting.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Okay then, okay then, And by the way, on the
liver and onions thing, a whole bunch of people were German,
and a lot of them said they think it wasn't
so much cultural as that it was very inexpensive, and
families that grew up kind of poor, especially Depression era
of families, would eat that stuff. All right, Now, let's
go to my very special guest, My good friend Wayne
Logison is editorial page editor at the Colorado Springs Gazette,

(49:53):
and of course you know in the Gazette family. You'll
see his work at the Denver Gazette as well from
time to time. And I would like to note for
those of you who cannot see Wayne right now, and
that would be approximately all of you, that Wayne is
wearing a Leonard skinnered denim jacket right now. So very
very good Wayne, Good to see you, good to see

(50:14):
Ross love Leonard skinnerd hate liver and onions.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
My mom made it all the time, disgusting.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
So if we were going to ask you what would
be the thing that your mom used to make that
you disliked the most, you would have said liver and onions.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Too, certainly, yes, and she loved it. She couldn't get
enough of it. So laguson? Is that sweetish?

Speaker 2 (50:33):
What is that? Danish? Danish?

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Okay, sorry as lagusen? Right, so Danish? So why do
you think she liked liver and onions? I don't really
think of that as a Danish tradition. Does it come
from the thing we were talking about where it was
kind of an inexpensive way to get some protein? The
Danish comes from that's on my father's side. Oh, good point.
So yes, good point.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
And she did have some Jewish background, so you know
she to praise Jewish.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
She was Jewish. Yeah, we were shocked what a huge
percentage of the people who didn't like liver and onions
were not Jewish. I thought they'd be all members of
my tribe, but they're actually almost all not. All right,
we're being very silly. Oh, it's very much her Jewish side.
I think yeah, Okay, I think so too. I think so,
and I agree with you. It's it's bad. Wayne wrote

(51:23):
a fabulous piece that actually a listener sent me over
the weekend called Dream of Californication, and it's it's a
long piece and we're not going to read all of
it or anything like that, but I'm gonna put most
of this on on Wayne here. So Wayne, I think
it's clear from the title, but just elaborate a little
bit on the point you are making in this opinion piece.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Well, the piece details and a lot of detail, a
lot of documentation about how Colorado is becoming more California,
perhaps than even California. We're a smaller state as opposed
to thirty million people, were near not even six million people.
And this has just come on like gangbusters since about

(52:08):
twenty eighteen, when the Left gained control of both both
chambers of the legislature and by twenty twenty one had
every state office, both Senate seats. So this is a juggernaut.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
They believe they have a mandate and they can and
will do anything they want, and so it's been sort
of like whiplash change in Colorado.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
I do think. So I agree with everything you said,
and I'll say two things. I think the change in
Colorado is due to.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
A massive influx of Californians.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
I think what a lot of people don't understand a
lot of people assume that the Californians who came here
came here because they didn't like the politics in California.
And I've been thinking about this for several years, because
you know, these folks have been coming in here and
damaging the state for a long time. I don't think
that's why they left California. I won't get into all

(53:10):
the other theories there, but the Californians who came here
are just as you know, are the same Californians who
voted in Gavin Newsom and now they're doing it here.
And the other thing I want to say that I've
said on the air too, like there are ballot measures
here that are so stupid and so left wing, like
free school lunches even for the richest students in public

(53:31):
schools that even California right now would be too smart
to pass.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
That's right, free lunches.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
No, no, no test of what your income is or
anything like that. So what we've done really across the
board in Colorado is taken from those who actually needed
a social safety net, people who didn't have the means
to you know, eight year old children have no means
of providing health care for them, elvesh you know, in

(54:03):
low income families. Yet we've expanded Medicaid to the point
where and I think John Hickenlooper is the one who
said it, this is great because people can pursue their
creative side. Well, what we've seen is a whole lot
of people dropping out of the employment, dropping out of
the workforce so they can pursue whatever their more fun
interests are, painting, murals, whatever it may be, sculpting because

(54:27):
they can go on Medicaid. Now, this has taken Medicaid
away from the people who this program was really intended
to help in the and it does so in terms
of four and five hour waits and emergency rooms on it,
you know, being unable to make an appointment in any
kind of a timely fashion. We have taken from the

(54:48):
poor and given to the non poor. And we're doing
that with school lunches, We're doing it with health care
and a whole bunch of other things. And I'll add
on to that for listeners.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Right, You heard some talk this year about so called
budget shortfall one point two billion dollars, and I struggle
with that concept because the budget was actually something like
six hundred and fifty million dollars bigger than the prior year,
but it was smaller than they were the Democrats were
hoping it would be. And just to elaborate or add
on to what Wayne said, next year, the budget challenge

(55:21):
is going to be much bigger, probably than it was
this year. And the biggest reason is the expansion of
Medicaid that is squeezing.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Out everything else.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
And I'll tell you even Republicans, unfortunately, are afraid of
reforms to Medicaid, even things like Republicans are mostly okay
with work requirements, but Republicans don't have the spine that
the state or the nation needs to reform this.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Wayne, do you want to add anything to.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
That, Yeah, I mean they do need to reform it,
because I don't think able bodied adults, you know, who
don't have some sort of real physical or mental struction
to working, should be handed healthcare simply because they can,
and we don't have the resources for that. We've basically

(56:09):
socialized medicine in Colorado, which voters rejected resoundingly. We've gone
through the back door here with Medicaid expansion, and they
try to sell it as if it's on compassion. This
is helping the eight year old kid who lives in
a mobile home park on the wrong side of town,
when in fact the expansion has hurt those people the most.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
And so I don't know.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
This is this Californication trend that we're seeing has affected everything.
Personal income is down, the housing crisis is worse, the
economy is in the tank. We used to be a
leading state. I mean economically we were one. We let
in all indicators. Now we're near the bottom and you
can just go on down. Unemployment is up, job growth

(56:57):
is down, crime is way up, test scores and schools
are terrible. They're almost identical to those in California. You
can just get there's a whole long laundry list of
things of indicators that show this is not working for Colorado.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
We're talking with Wayne Loguson. He is the editorial page
editor at the Colorado Springs Gazette Gazette dot com. You
can also read his stuff at the Denver Gazette, which
is Denver Gazette dot Com. You know, I thought one
of the things that I really liked your focus on
in this piece. And it's a long piece, as you say,
with a lot of data, and you touch on many

(57:36):
different areas, like you just said, a laundry list. But
I like this this section title a diminished brand, and.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
I think that's right.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Or you know, maybe for the Californians that we're moving here,
maybe the brand isn't diminished. Maybe it's just diminished for
those of us who used to think of this as
something of a Western, slightly libertarian at least purple state.
You know, maybe for you and maybe for you and me,
it's a it's a diminished brand. But maybe for the
people who are doing this they like maybe they like

(58:10):
this change.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
Sure, there are a lot of people who would say
this is great because we don't want people moving to Colorado.
But when people are not moving to Colorado and you're
actually seeing more out migration than in migration, it means
you're not a very attractive state anymore. So for the
people who live here, the people who already live here
and who stay here. When the brand goes down, the
quality of life also goes down. No doubt, no doubt.

(58:38):
I travel with my My wife travels a lot for business,
particularly to Washington, DC. I go with her occasionally, and
I like to talk to uber drivers and cab drivers
and they've all heard about Colorado and they laugh when
you tell them you're from Colorado, and they start listing
off crazy things that Colorado is doing. Because all of

(59:01):
these people who these people who drive for a living,
tend to be very sensible people. They think a lot,
they listen to a lot of talk radio, and they
know what's going on here. So I can just sense
the brand. And it's not just cab drivers and uber
drivers and such. You just hear it in general from
people when you tell them where you're from. Oh, it's

(59:21):
about drugs. That's primarily drugs and illegal immigrants, is what
our brand has become.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
The very end of your note, the section is entitled
at the Cliff's Edge, So I want to just broaden
that out a little bit.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
And you note by the way you note Jared.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Polis is a well intentioned optimist, and I think that's
about right. Even though you and I probably disagree with
him more than we agree with him, I think that's
a fair characterization and I fear, and I've told listeners
that I fear that the next governor is going to
make conservatives and libertarians long for the days of Jared Polis.
I think the next governor is going to be much,

(01:00:00):
much worse, which potentially brings your concept of at the
cliff's edge. You know, Polis might be a guy like
loosely trying to hold us from you know, falling over
the cliff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
The next guy is going to push us over.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
Yeah, that's right, And I really thought I think that's
unfortunately true, But I thought Jared Polis would be a
pretty good keep this left wing legislature, much of which
is not representative the representative of the people because a
lot of the legislators are appointed. Democrats have figured out
that if you get somebody to resign before their term

(01:00:38):
is up, the machine can appoint someone, and they're pointing
people far left of what Colorado voters would actually want.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Polis.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
He's a protege of doctor Art Laffer, an economist, great
economist who sort of architected the Reagan economic revolution. I
thought he was going to be a lot better governor
than this, and he could be. Yeah, but he lets
this party drag him around, and they dragged him into it,
you know, into a tar pit basically when they had

(01:01:08):
him sign SB three. I think that his chance at
nationwide office, he could have been the Democratic nominee for president.
I think that's gone now because that's just not going
to play in the rest of the country.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
I don't agree with you, No, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
I don't agree with that. I'm not saying that he's
going to become president and he's not, you know, as
he has said in the past, like if they want
a you know, a bald gaye, you they know where
to look, right, that's his line.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
They know where to find him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
But but you know, my take is SB three is
a big plus for him, not necessarily in a general election,
but in a Republican primary. I think that's a that's
a plus for him.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
You think, okay, well, I just don't think that that's
going to play in the in the Midwest and the
Bible Belt and the industrial Northeast.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
But maybe I'm wrong about that. There are a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
Second Amendment advocates used to be mostly on the right.
That's changing quite rapidly. As we saw Kamala Harris if
I pronounced that right, Kamala Harris, she talked about owning
a glock and she would shoot anybody who broke into
her house. And I think we're seeing some movement on
the left the war gun rights, which is a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Maybe you're right, Maybe this helps him well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
And Polus will market SB three as he has been,
which is saying we're not really banning the guns. We're
just making you, you know, have a little gun education
before you get it. And most people who are don't
pay much attention to firearms and don't care about the
Second Amendment.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
We'll probably think that's that's reasonable.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
In any case, let me switch gears with you just
about a minute left here, And I know you're the
editorial page editor, but you you know you're at the
Colorado Springs Gazette, and I would like to know anything
you want to say about that raid on that so
called underground nightclub yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
Well, it proves that the Colorado's sanctuary policies, both statewide
and in Denver in particular. But statewide, I mean this
is interesting because our state law basically prohibits local law
enforcement from in any way cooperating with Ice or any
federal officials trying to enforce immigration law. And yet we

(01:03:23):
saw here the Sheriff's Department of El Paso County, Douglas County,
all sorts of law enforcement involved in this. They don't
like that law and they're trying to find any way
they can around it. At the local level, I'm talking
about cops with badges on the street.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
They know how dangerous this is.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
And the fact that they raided an underground nightclub in
Colorado Springs and hauled in one hundred we're told illegal immigrants,
illegal aliens, whatever you want to call them. That tells
you that this is far from just Denver a problem
for Denver and Aurora. It has spread to the rest
of the state and will continue to do so. Oh,

(01:04:01):
I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
And later on in the show, I'm going to tell
listeners about a bill that is working its way through
the state legislature right now that would actually make Colorado
even more of a sanctuary state, if you can imagine
such a thing. Wayne Loguson is editorial page editor at
the Colorado Springs Gazette. Gazette dot com is the website
that Denver Gazette and affiliated also Fantastic Publication at Denver

(01:04:26):
Gazette dot com and you can find his piece at
either one of those. It's called Dream of Californication. It's
more like a nightmare than a dream in it. Wayne,
thanks for being here. That's right, absolutely, thank you. Ross.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
All right, take it easy, all right. That's Wayne Louguson.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
He's just one of the one of the really great
like newspaper men in this town, in this in this state,
really really like the guy a lot. Let me do
a couple other things here. I'm just going to do
a few minutes on this because it changes a lot,
and it's uh, you know, people don't want to hear
too much about polling, but I would just want to
talk about about polling a little bit, Donald Trump's poll
numbers and sort of pros and cons. And let me

(01:05:05):
mention also, I just started a substack. It's kind of
like a blog. I write a note not every day,
but most days, and then it gets sent out in
the morning. I usually schedule it's to go out at
seven oh nine in the morning, which is the same
time I schedule my blog to be published at Rosskiminsky
dot com every day, and it's usually a longer analysis
of something, often political, sometimes economic but I would appreciate

(01:05:27):
it if you would subscribe to my substack, and if
you go to Rosskiminsky dot substack dot com you should
be able to find that, or just search Ross Kiminski substack.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Also if you go to my.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Blog today at Rosskominsky dot com, which read directs to
my KOA page, but look in today's blog, note the
very first thing is a link to my substack today
in which I talk about this issue that I want
to do just two minutes or so on right now.
So one of my favorite political analysts is a guy
named Bruce Mellman who's been on the show many times.
He has his own substack and he puts out every

(01:06:03):
Sunday something that he calls the sixth Chart Sunday, and
you might not be surprised to know that it has
six charts in it every time. And one of the
things that he had in this week's was something that
I think is interesting and important and this is a
narrow example of a bigger issue.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
So they asked, and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
I'm trying to this was NBC News and Pew Research
Center asked people about DOGE and cuts to government spending,
and the first question was do you believe government is inefficient.
So a majority of people agreed with that by fourteen
points over the people who disagreed with it. I think

(01:06:46):
I can't imagine that there was anybody who said government
is not.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Inefficient, but a lot of them did. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Then they asked do you think Doze is a good idea?
And even there a majority of people said yes. It
wasn't a huge majority, but a majority of people said yes.
Then is Doze doing a good job? A significant majority
of people said no. Right, So that was minus twelve
on that one disapprove overapproof. And then the last one

(01:07:13):
is Elon Musk doing a good job with Doze.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
That was minus eighteen. Part of the reason that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Tesla stock has gone down so much in the past
couple of months, although it was up last week with
Musk's involvement with Trump, because he's really turning people against him.
So here's my point, and I talk about this in
my sub stack today, and it is that the Trump
administration and Donald Trump himself campaigned on and holds many

(01:07:44):
goals that most Americans share, either extremely enthusiastically or at
least a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
I know there are the Trump haters and there are
the big government people who would be opposed to all
of this even if it weren't Trump, even if it
were a Republican. You know, they want government to be
as big as possible. But most Americans share Trump's goals
of getting immigration under control, getting government spending under control,
getting women out of men's getting men out of women's sports,
and on and on and on. There's just so many things.

(01:08:17):
So what's going on with the Trump administration that is
causing their poll numbers to be extremely low?

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
What was it?

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
An ABC poll? ABC poll has Trump at the lowest
approval rating at this time in office of any president
for something like eighty years. Right, he's really really plummeting
and polling now, He's not plummeting among hardcore Trump supporters,
but they're not.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Enough to get anybody elected. So what's the issue.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
The issue is that Americans like what he wants to
do but doesn't like how he's doing it. And I
think it's very very obvious and simple to say, that's
not that hard to change. Keep trying to do whatever
it is you campaigned on, even if I don't agree
with it. Do what it is you campaigned on, fulfill

(01:09:06):
those campaign promises, but do it in a way that
doesn't look chaotic, then that doesn't look lawless, and that
doesn't look just mean. Because the media, which loves to
hate Trump and Republicans generally, will find every little mistake
and magnify it into the biggest thing. Of course, it's unfair,
but they need the Trump administration needs to do a

(01:09:28):
much better job at execution because people do share most
of the goals. Wayne has a podcast that we didn't
mention earlier, Wayne's word dot Co, wayne'sword dot co Dragon.
Maybe you can put that in a blog note or
that goes with.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Wayne Wayne's words word exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
I said, I said game on the other day, and
I don't know how many people around me got it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
It was actually at the beginning.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
I went over to a sports bar that's near my
house with Ryan Schuling and Christian Toto and a gal
who's a friend of Ryan's, and we watched the Avalanche
game and gosh, that was fun. That was a four
nothing game. And to see just how happy Gabe Landskog
was after scoring that goal. I don't think I have

(01:10:18):
ever seen a hockey player as happy about a goal
as he was about that goal, and it wasn't the
game winning goal. They were already ahead. I think that
put him up three to nothing if I remember correctly,
And even like even when Alex Ovechkin scored the goal
to break Gretzky's record, right, and that kind of thing.
You know, a goal that puts you ahead in a

(01:10:40):
Stanley Cup game, I don't in a Stanley Cup final game.
I mean, I don't think I've ever seen a player.
I don't know if I've ever seen a professional athlete
with a look of as much joy on his face
his or her I can include female athletes this comment,

(01:11:00):
as in that moment when Gabe Landscott scored his first
goal in the NHL after being away for three years,
and it was just it just made me happy, not
because he scored the goal looked like they were already
gonna win, but just it made me happy how happy
he was and all all the hard work that that
guy has done to get back onto the ice at
the NHL level. And I love that the team made

(01:11:22):
him a captain again as soon as he came back. Anyway,
that was that was pretty cool. And so anyway, back
on on Wayne's thing, Wayne's word dot co and they're
gonna talk more about the whole californication thing today, and
it's a it's a good place to keep up with Wayne,
who really has his finger on the pulse of what's
going on with Colorado issues and Colorado Springs issues and

(01:11:47):
so on. All right, let's do uh, let's do the
speaking of illegal immigrants right because you know, in the
context of that raid that just happened in Colorado Springs,
crazy thing. So we mentioned last week that Homeland Security
Secretary Christinome's bag was stolen, and that raised a few questions,

(01:12:07):
and we'll get to those in a second. But the
update is that one of an unknown people who were involved,
but it appears to be at least two, one of
them has been arrested and he's an illegal immigrant.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
So I have a few questions. I have a few questions.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
So this was in a restaurant called the Capital Burger
in Washington, d C. So multiple questions, in no particular order.
Why does Christinome have three thousand dollars of cash in
her bag? What color powder? Is she going to spend
that on? White powder? Other powder?

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
I don't think she uses drugs makeup powder. She does
she does use a lot of make up. My wife
comments all the time about how much makeup Christinome wears.
I actually like Christineaman shouldn't pick on her, but I
like her. I think she's doing a fine job. She's alright,
she's all right. But seriously, why is she carrying three
thousand dollars in cash her her bag? Her bag? Someone

(01:13:12):
looked it up is available on the Gucci website for
four four hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
And I do now this is a serious question.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
I do wonder how someone has that money, who's had
a government job for the last many years.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
I think she wrote a book.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Remember she got in trouble, and I don't know that
the book really sold it all, but maybe she got
a decent advance for it. But remember that the story
out of the book was her shooting that dog. That
that was how that story came out. People got the
book and they were reading through it, and that was
where she told the story about how she killed up
not exactly a puppy, but a young dog because she

(01:13:49):
thought it would be too hard to train to be
a hunting dog, Like why would you put that in print?

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
By the way, her forty four hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Larger bag contained a smaller Louis Vutan purse. That's a
six hundred dollars bag inside the forty four hundred dollars bag.
So okay, so there's that, but I don't really care.
You live your life, you carry cash if you want,
it's fine with me. Here's the part that really gets
me now, and this doesn't have to do directly with Christino.
The guy who stole her bag was wearing a mask

(01:14:24):
like in ninety five COVID, you know mask.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
According to the New York Post.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Here he was wearing dark pants, a color that they
call a fur type collar and a baseball hat. And
apparently what he did was he got like near the table,
hooked the bag straps with his foot, pulled the bag
a little bit away from the table, dropped a code

(01:14:50):
over it, and.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Then picked up the bag and walked out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
So she Christinome was on a podcast and she said,
I thought it was my grandkids kicking me in the left,
but it was very professionally done. They tell me it
happens all the time to people and they live in
communities where this is a danger, and it reaffirms why
I'm here. But this is what I and this serious question,
how on God's green earth does an illegal alien and

(01:15:16):
a mask get so close to Christineome that he can
touch her? I'm not being sarcastic. How does that happen?
In particular, you would think that someone who is Secretary
of Homeland Security might have some enemies right now, whether

(01:15:37):
they are gang members or just radicals who hate Trump
administration policy. Seriously, how does anybody, much less a masked
illegal alien get that close to our secretary of Homeland Security.
It is insane, It's absolutely insane. Now there's some talk

(01:16:01):
about this guy apparently being part of an organized gang
that you know, there are these very large crime rings
and they'll go around and do this stuff. There is
no indication, according to the local US attorney there by
the way, that she was targeted because.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Of who she was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
It was just it was a fancy bag and kind
of a fancy restaurant. And the US attorney said, this
is not an amateur. This was a person, a thief
who knew how to do this. You could see how
he scouted the room out. And again, I just want
to know, how did someone like that get within a

(01:16:40):
distance that he could play footsie?

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
With our Secretary of Homeland Security.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
I also don't know because they haven't said in this
story where they say he got arrested, they haven't said
whether she got her bag back. And it's not the
most important thing. Get another bag. It did have her
passport in it. I'm sure she can get a passport
faster and you and I can't. But I would like
to know. It does appear. It does appear as if

(01:17:08):
I'm going to be on the Laura Ingram Show on
Fox News at about five oh five pm Mountain time,
about seven oh five pm Eastern time, to talk about
this rate of the so called underground nightclub in Colorado
Springs that you've heard about on koa's news and you've
heard me talk about as as well, So keep an

(01:17:29):
eye on that. I've never been on with Laura Ingram before,
and gosh, it's been a very long time. I can't
remember the last time when I was on Fox on
one of the evening primetime shows. Normally in the past
i've been on, you know, earlier, you know, one of
the morning shows and stuff like that. So that'll be fun.

(01:17:50):
That'll be fun. So check it out Fox News around
five oh five pm. You should see me there. The
reason that Dragon played that song come On, Feel the Noise.
Actually another Colorado Springs story, but a story that we've
been following somewhat closely here, and that is this new

(01:18:10):
amphitheater down there Ford Amphitheater.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
I guess it's a year old now.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
And when this Amphitheater was approved, they had to do
a whole bunch of stuff to try to control the
noise so that people who lived, you know, reasonably close
wouldn't be too inconvenienced, and they weren't allowed to play
very loud noise after such and such a time. But
what happened over the last concert season was that a

(01:18:39):
lot of people complained that there was too much noise. Now,
I do think some of it was, you know, a
small number of people who really didn't like it, who
submitted complaints after complaint after complaint, But still there were
enough complaints that the city and also the owner of
the Amphitheater took it very serious. And so they've implemented

(01:19:01):
some new things down there, and I'll actually be quite
interested to see how it goes. Let me share a
little bit with you from the Colorado Springs Gazette, which
seems to be getting a lot of attention on my
show today the what is it?

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
This Wednesday night, Jason isbel is going to be playing
at the at the Ford Amphitheater. And here's what they
say at the Gazette. The audience will be there to see,
you know, the band, but even more people will be
checking whether the additional sound monitoring and tweaked the Amphitheater
made for this concert season will address the noise complaints

(01:19:37):
that poured in last year.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
It's an eight thousand seat venue. I'm just gonna skip
ahead a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
The city got more than six hundred and fifty complaints
last year. So they're doing a bunch of stuff and
let me just share a little bit of this with you.
New sound walls, tweaking its stereos. I think what they
did with the stereo is that actually aimed the speakers.
They lifted this, they raised the speakers up and then
named them down right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
They've added what they.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Call noise monitoring stations in other neighborhoods. They're doing some
things where they've got some walls and they're going sound
dampening walls, and then they're going to put some holes
in some walls, with the theory being that the sound
will essentially go into those holes like tunnels and then
get dampened rather than getting out into the city. So

(01:20:22):
we'll see. There's a lot more to this article, but
I don't think I'm going to spend a lot more
time on it right now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
But you know, I hope it works. I hope everybody's happy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
I hope the Springs gets to have a lot of
you know, a lot of good concerts.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
And there's that, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
One other thing I want to do in this segment,
next segment of the show, by the way, we're going
to start it at least with with Ryan Edwards from
KOA Sports talking about the Broncos draft picks, and we're
not going to spend anything like the whole segment on
it where you're going to do kind of a lightning round.
But as a big Broncos fan myself, and as KOA
being the home of the Broncos, I think even if

(01:20:54):
you're a little bit of a Broncos fan, you're gonna
enjoy the conversation a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
The other thing I wanted to mention, so my friend
Dan Mitchell, as an economist, he's been on the show
many many times. A very libertarian guy used to be
at the Cato Institute, and now he is gosh, what's
his organization called now? The Center for Freedom and Prosperity.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
Dan posted at LinkedIn just a short note. He said,
I realize Republicans are the quote stupid party, and that's
in quotes. And remember it's been a long time thing
that we have two major political parties in America, the
stupid party in the evil Party. Right, so the stupid
party are the Republicans and the evil Party or the Democrats.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
And you you can disagree with it. I'm just telling you.
You know, that's a phrase that's been out there a
long time.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
So he says, I realize Republicans are the stupid party,
but are they actually dumb enough to copy Bernie Sanders'
style tax policy? And then he posts a link to
a conversation about tax policy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Somebody maybe complain.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
To LinkedIn, and Dan got an email from LinkedIn saying,
we think your post may violate our policies on hateful speech.
Is there anything you want to change? And he said, no,
this isn't hateful speech, and so we just sent that
back to them, and then they sent back, we've determined

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that this violates our rules on hateful speech, and they
removed the post as hateful speech. And again he says
all he says, I realize Republicans are the quote stupid
party end quote.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
So even that it's in quotes, right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
It's obvious that what he's saying is that's what some
people call the Republican Party, which is which some people do.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
And they are. But are they actually.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
Dumb enough to copy Bernie Standers style style tax policy?
It's pretty nuts, Huh, pretty nuts. So I sent out
a tweet and I tagged LinkedIn. I don't think they're
not following me, and I don't know if they care,
And I don't know if what, you know, what Dan
did is going to get enough attention. But just think
of that level of censorship. Now they can do it.
They're a private company. The First Amendment doesn't apply. But

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just think about the incredible level of either snowflakeness or
massive left wing bias to say that it's not just
left wing least, it's just tendentious, hyper sensitive morons making
these decisions. We need fewer morons, that's what we need.

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I'm very pleased to welcome to the show. My friend,
my colleague, the guy who did such an amazing job
with our Nuggets parade coverage that I won an award
for it with him even though he did all the
hard work. Ryan Edwards is co host of KOA Sports
from three pm to six pm right here on KOA,
and as I say from time to time, Ryan has

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forgotten more about sports.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Than I will ever know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Hi, Ryan, Hello, my friend, how are you good?

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Very good?

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
I want to talk to you just for a few minutes,
kind of a lightning round sort of thing about the
Denver Broncos, the Denver Broncos draft.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
So you ready to go?

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:24:07):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
Okay, So we knew.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
Last week and we talked briefly on the show about
John A. Baron. But now that you've had a little
more time to look at him, what should we think
of that pick? And what should we think of the
fact that they took a cornerback as their first pick.
When the common wisdom, or I don't know if it's wisdom,
the common thinking was that the Broncos needed help at

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running back and tight end.

Speaker 7 (01:24:35):
Well, I mean, there's a lot of ways to look
at it, right, I really like him as a prospect.
I think I like the plan that they have for
him on the roster, and know a lot of people
will say, well, you're already great in the secondary, you
can always be better in the secondary. And this is
a guy that can kind of move around the formation.
He could start at nickel. He's a guy that you
could put on the outside, you could play him up
in the Boxer's all sorts of really great options with

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john A Baron. But more than anything, I think it
was about value, right. I think that they sat there
at pick twenty, they had a couple of players they
kind of haven't had in mind. I got to be honest,
I think if they didn't take Jadda Baron there at twenty,
they are probably trading out of the first round altogether.

Speaker 5 (01:25:10):
That's my take.

Speaker 7 (01:25:11):
I don't know if that's going to be what actually
would have happened, We'll never know. But Jada Baron represented
too much value. They thought he was a top ten,
top twelve prospect, and they got him there at twenty,
and once he was available there at twenty, they just
basically said, all right, this is our guy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
What do you think the odds are not necessarily for
Game one, and I'm talking about regular season games, not preseason.
What do you think the odds are that Jodday Baron
starts a game for the Broncos this year?

Speaker 5 (01:25:38):
I think he'll start every game.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Really, do you think he's that oh already?

Speaker 5 (01:25:42):
Yeah, I think he's that kind of talent.

Speaker 7 (01:25:45):
I mean, again, you talk about the other cornerbacks that
are usually drafted in the first round. Even even there
at pick twenty, he's not developmental. He's not a guy
that you have to bring along slowly and you have
to coach up and you just want to get him
in the room.

Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
Not at all.

Speaker 7 (01:25:57):
He's a day one starter for them. I'd say he's
a day one starter at Nickels. So that, you know,
not great news for Jawan McMillan necessarily, but he's probably
your day one starter at Nickel. But the fact that
you kind of move him around most of the league
right now five dbs nickel is base. So basically what
I mean by that is that most teams now they

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want to have three wide receivers on the field, which
means you need.

Speaker 5 (01:26:21):
To be lighter in the back end.

Speaker 7 (01:26:22):
You know, you go to older school football and maybe
you only have two cornerbacks. You have two safeties and
then you got three linebackers on the field because everybody's
running the ball at Yeah, well that's not the league now.
The league now is where everybody wants to throw the ball,
which means you have need to have more cornerbacks. And
so in this case, I think he starts day one.
I think they're going to be excited about it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
I mean I go back to the days of John
Riggans the diesel running for the Redskins with the Hogs,
you know, so I know, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Know exactly what you're talking about. One other thing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
About joh A Barron, I'm really enjoying the stuff that
I'm reading about him in terms of what seems.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Like like his character.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
You know, there was this stuff about how he was
in church for the hour before the draft, you know,
talking with his pastor or a priest or whichever it is,
for his particular faith, And there's a lot of talk
about him being very intelligent, and he seems like a
guy who, I maybe not as a rookie, but he

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seems like a kind of guy who could be a
team captain.

Speaker 7 (01:27:24):
I think that's exactly I mean, maybe not rookie year
two captain, but down the road absolutely. I mean, Patritan's
already a team captain, but imagine having those two kind
of quality players and humans there in your secondary.

Speaker 5 (01:27:37):
I think it's a great point.

Speaker 7 (01:27:38):
I thought there was a lot of really nice moments
he talked about when he was drafted or at least
the Broncos. Talked about how he has to be put
on speaker phone and talked to the draft room and
thanked them for changing not only his life but his
mother's life. I've never even heard of something like that.
I know that maybe some of those stories kind of
get overblown, but I do think it speaks to his
character and his personality. He looks in the mirror every

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day and sets a goal for himself, which is again
just sort of goes to his character. I remember meeting
him at the combine and I was so blown away
by his maturity. In fact, he even said that's something
that he prides himself on. A lot of people will
look at the tape and they'll see what they want
to see, but he talked about himself as a person.
He also talked a lot at the comic because I
remember it stuck with me more specifically about how you

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can't really control the process, you have to let the
process go. And I think some of that goes to
his religion, but in his mind, you know, there's only
so much you can do to force the situation. You
have to sort of be at the will of it.
And I just thought there was some really cool kind
of zen like or religious like things to take away
from that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Yeah, and I'm not going to get into this with you,
but for two guys who appear to be, you know,
men of faith, the presentation between John day barn and
shid Or Sanders could hardly be more different.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
I don't know if you want to offer any brief
comment on that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
Well, a little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:29:00):
I mean, again, it different bringings, right, I mean you
think about Shore Sanders with coach Prime and Deon Sanders
as your dad, and just the over the top nature
of Dion Sanders versus the parents that obviously raised Jodd Barron,
And yeah, I mean, you know, religion and faith and
all those kinds of things they represent.

Speaker 5 (01:29:20):
Different for everybody.

Speaker 7 (01:29:22):
But more than anything, I think, you know, again, you
think about the climates that you're raised in, and for
Shure Sanders, who's coming into the NFL.

Speaker 5 (01:29:29):
He only knows one way and.

Speaker 7 (01:29:31):
That is the prime way, and so unfortunately I think
that backfired a little bit for him.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
That's a great point, all right, Round two. Who the
Broncos taken?

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
Round two? And what should we think of him?

Speaker 7 (01:29:42):
So they traded back a couple of times, tried to
add some extra draft capital, which ended up helping them
out a lot, especially because of a player they were
able to sneak back into the third round later and
get they went with pick sixty. R. J. Harvey's are
running back at the UCF A super talented for four speed,
so very fast. The thing that jumps out about him
that I liked about him in the pre draft process
was his vision. He knows how to really find those

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spots in the zone or the spots in the offensive line,
and he just sort of squeezes through them. But he's
also patient with his blockers, which again for a younger
player that's sometimes tough to find. Usually have to develop
some of that or in some cases some analyst out
there will say either you have it or you don't.
He has it, and so you do appreciate the vision
that he brings. The explosiveness, I mean he'll take what

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is a shorter run and he can break it off
to a sixty yard touchdown. The Broncos really haven't had
a lot of that recently, so I can see why
they really fell in love with him. As far as
him being a three down back, I mean, it's a
little bit of a discussion point. I don't think they've
grafted him to be a three down back, but he
does offer some versatility there. He needs to be better
in pass pro at the biggest knock against him if

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I had one, and that's something you'll have to develop
at the next level.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Yeah, and I don't think he's very big, right, I
don't think he's very tall. I mean, I'm sure his
legs are probably as thick as my chest, but he's
not very tall. It reminds me of a little bit
of like maybe Darren Sprolls and a couple of these
other guys who were, you know, small and really low
center of gravity could get through the hole. You don't
always see though, the guys who I will lovingly call

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little have that crazy kind of speed.

Speaker 7 (01:31:18):
Yeah, he's five nine to await, so you're you're absolutely right,
but he's thick.

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
If you will right.

Speaker 7 (01:31:25):
He's got strong lower legs and a lot of drive,
and he's not afraid of contact. Sometimes with those lighter
backs like you talking about not Darren Sprolls, but I
think about Ronnie Hillman for example.

Speaker 5 (01:31:36):
He's here. You know, they're sometimes kind of.

Speaker 7 (01:31:39):
Running away from contact, and it makes sense, like you
don't want to get beat up too much when you're
one of the lighter backs, you want to use that speed.

Speaker 5 (01:31:45):
Really you are run away from people. But RJ.

Speaker 7 (01:31:47):
Harvey is not that guy. He's gonna he's look looking
for contact. But more than anything is is he's elusive
enough that he doesn't always have to be hit. So
it's a nice balance for him.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
By the way, if they're saying he's five to nine
to did you say two eight? Yeah, if they If
they say he's five nine two eight, then he's then
he's five seven and a half one ninety one night right. Uh,
you don't have to con you don't have to confirm
or deny. But that's how the NFL. That's how college
ball works too. I know because when I was on

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my college team, they listed me at at five eleven
one ninety five and I'm five nine on a good day.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
So anyway, all right, let's let's go a little quickly here.
Round three. Pat Bryant. Who's he?

Speaker 7 (01:32:29):
Woll Pap Bryant's a big receiver. I mean he's six
two a little about two ten or so. I think
the thing that jumps out with him, and you heard
it from Sean Payton after the draft, he reminds him
of Michael Thomas. He's got some of those ball traits,
the way he has a massive catch radius, contorts his body.
He's really quick off the line those forty times. Was

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a bit slow. It's just the reason why he didn't
really go higher in the draft. He's a four to
six one forty, which is pretty significant. In fact, I
think it was the second slowest as far as wide
receivers go. So it's not a great time. But when
you watch him, you don't see that. It doesn't show
up when you watch him. So the more I've dug
in on Pat Bryant, the more I've liked it. Though
this will be the considerable consensus reach for the Broncos.

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Most people had him go in the fifth round.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
Yeah, so we'll have to see if if his routes
are as sharp as they think and if his hands
are as good as they think, because that's what you need.
If you're not, if you're not super fast, let's see
what else. Okay, pick number one on one, who's.

Speaker 7 (01:33:27):
That yeps Savean Jones defensive end out of LSU. This
is a guy that can play inside, he can play
a bit of the edge. He's just a big, physical
defensive end. I think that he can he could play
a lot of staffs early on as a rotation guy.
I think they want to develop some of his pass
rush moves a little bit more, not make him not
just a power guy. But he obviously already brings the
power stuff there. And as you know you're playing the SEC,

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you're seeing NFL talent.

Speaker 5 (01:33:55):
Right away.

Speaker 7 (01:33:55):
He started twenty seven games to close out his career
at LSU, so he's available and he plays all the time.
In fact, when we interviewed him, we talked about how
much he takes takes care of his body and he
makes that a priority. And again, they drafted captains, They
drafted mature guys throughout this draft, and he's another one.

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
Of them in terms of physical size and rushing style.
Who might you compare him to is he Vonne Miller type.
Is he a little bigger than that? What's he like?

Speaker 5 (01:34:23):
He's a little bigger.

Speaker 7 (01:34:24):
I'd say he's actually pretty close to John Franklin Myers
we got here in Denver. I'd say that's a little
bit more. Now again, John Franklin Myers, I think that
he has a little bit more ability. He's a little
more savvy at this point in his career. But again,
you're talking about development arc. He's got the physical tools
to get there as far as I'm concerned. And it
gives you some leverage because John Franklin Myers is in

(01:34:44):
a contract year.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
Round four, who'd they pick?

Speaker 7 (01:34:48):
They took Ke Robinson, outside linebacker out of Alabama. He
is more of a stand up edge and developmental at
that he didn't really I think he started like four
games something like that. He didn't play a at edge,
and I think that's because he's kind of a tweener.
But he is a considerable special teams player. And I
know some people say, well, fourth round or special teams
that seems like a bit of a reach, and some

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people on consistence would say that. But Nick Saban said
he's the best special teams player he's ever coached, and
I feel like that's pretty high remarks for this player
and the Broncos once again, they're showing, hey, we're not
gonna go into one specific position here in the draft.
We're gonna draft for all three phases, and this guy
could be a core special team or a Day one.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
Speaking of special teams, how about that round six pick.

Speaker 5 (01:35:30):
Yeah, Jervy Chris Crosshaw. Yeah, we interviewed him.

Speaker 7 (01:35:33):
He's an Aussie and he's got a fabulous mustache, although
he said he shaved it because of the humidity down
in Florida, but we told him he can grow it
right back because.

Speaker 5 (01:35:42):
He's in Colorado now here. And he's a punter. Yep.

Speaker 7 (01:35:45):
They decided to go punter there, but they need a punter,
so you know, they brought in Hake in the offseason.
But this gives you a cost controlled option there in
the sixth round, which is a steal.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
And then round seven is a position where a lot
of people have thought what the Broncos needed help. Were
you surprised that it took to round seven to pick
a tight end? No, not really.

Speaker 7 (01:36:07):
I imagine that the Broncos had some tight ends on
their board. It just didn't fall that way, and that
happens in drafts. Sometimes it's like, hey, there's a guy
that you like. If he's there around there, maybe you
trade up a couple spots and get him. But I
think the board just felling away where they didn't come
away with one. Plus, they added Evan Ingram in the offseason,
so they felt like they weren't desperate to do something.
He's a basketball player, kill blowner. He only played this

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last year at Utah. He caught four passes for four touchdowns.
That's the extent of it. But they're all those box out,
you know, red zone. Just throw it up and let
him go up and get it. He's six foot seven
and a two hundred and fifty pounds, so I think
this is just project. But you know, you get him
in the building and you just see if there's something
you can do there. Sean Payton very quickly has done

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such a great job developing these basketball players, Jimmy Graham
being one of the most notable ones. It's a basketball
player that they drafted and they turned it into one
of the elite tight ends game. We've seen Antonio Gates,
We've seen other guys that had basketball backgrounds. Tony joalas
Tony Gonzal Yep, exactly, Tony Gonzalez another one. So we've
seen that be a bit of a trend in the
last couple of decades where teams have said, hey, we'll

(01:37:12):
take a risk on a guy, it's a basketball player,
and just see if we can turn him into a
tight end.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
I'm very proud of myself for getting the Tony Gonzalez thing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
I'm very very proud of myself.

Speaker 5 (01:37:20):
You nailed it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
We're talking with Ryan Edwards, co host of KOA Sports
three pm to six pm today and I'm sure that
you guys are going to spend much or most of
the show talking about the draft.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
So I have one last question for you.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
What grade would you give the Broncos on their draft? Overall?

Speaker 7 (01:37:39):
I feel like a B or B minus is pretty fair. Again,
you know, it's all subjective at this point. I want
to see the plan ultimately for these players. Yeah, there's
some players, the wide receivers specifically there when they took
Pat Bryant that I probably would have selected ahead of him.
But again that's my consensus. That's my grades or players
that I liked versus what the Broncos like. Get Pat

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Bryan here and he's wide receiver two from day one. Well,
then heck, we're not even talking about this. This isn't
even a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:38:05):
If he's Tim Patrick or the Broncos, then we're good.
So I'd say BB minus as we sit here today.
But it certainly can improve. You've got some needs, You've
got some high upside swing players, and now I can't
wait to see how they develop.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
Everybody tune in at three pm, three to six for
KOA Sports and you can hear Ryan and all the guys.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Talk about this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
And I should also note that tomorrow from three to
six you can join Dave Logan and this same Ryan
and Nick Ferguson at Sam's Number three Diner in bar
in Glendale on.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
South Cherry Street and watch.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
I guess that'll be a Nuggets game, right, I think
the Avs played a night in the Nuggets tomorrow?

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
Is that right?

Speaker 5 (01:38:45):
That is correct?

Speaker 7 (01:38:45):
Yep, it'll be game five and the Apps to NIERN
Game five the Nuggets and Clippers tomorrow, which would be
a good one since their tie too.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Too awesome. Thanks for your time, Ryan, appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:38:54):
Yeah, appreciate you man.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
Thank you. Hi Mandy, that's a nice necklace. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
Where did that come from?

Speaker 8 (01:39:01):
This came from Broadislava, really Radisla, from the little artist
selling things on the side of the road. One of
my favorite jewelry is.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Was that the trip when you went to Vienna or
was it the root that was the one.

Speaker 8 (01:39:11):
Where the river cruise two from Munich to Vienna via
or No to Budapest to Budapeste. We didn't go to Vienna.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
Okay, all right, they're all running together already. In fact,
I'll just note, folks, if you want to take a
look at next year's trip with me, if you go
to rosstrip dot com. I'm not going to tell you anymore,
but you let's just say, as part of the trip
you might be able to find one of those necklaces.

Speaker 8 (01:39:34):
And he's going to one of my favorite favorite cities
in the world that I didn't go to until till
fairly recently, and it is just beautiful and full of
history and so gorgeous and one of my favorite places
in Europe. And you need to go to ross trip
dot com to find out more.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
Not to piggyback on this, but how many days until.

Speaker 8 (01:39:51):
Japan thirty thirty seven thirty seven days until until Japan,
until Japan and Korea and Korea and then Japan with
you and Dragons. My son Pat is going, my nephews
going as well.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
She is Wow, super fun.

Speaker 8 (01:40:10):
And this weekend we're going to the Nuclear Museum in
Albuquerque because my nephew is getting married this weekend. So
down on Thursday Friday, we are going to the Nuclear
Museum in Albuquerque and then we're going to go to
Nagasaki in Hiroshima, So we're going to see that both sides,
which I think is incredibly cool.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
Wow, very cool, Yeah, very cool. Indeed, how many listeners
going on your trip? Do you know?

Speaker 8 (01:40:32):
Honestly don't know. I want to say, like sixtieth. Yeah,
it's a big trip, forty nine, or I honestly don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
Yeah it's a bigger than usual.

Speaker 8 (01:40:41):
When I get there, or actually i'll be there.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
There first a day early. All right, you ready?

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
Yes, Lake Superior State University has tell people what we're doing.
You just launched in. All right, this is this guy.
This is all right, that's fair, that's fair, all right,
it's real or fake. I give Mandy four headlines and
she needs to figure out which one of them is fake. Okay.

(01:41:07):
Lake Superior State University has unicorn hunting regulations bystanders steel
three hundred thousand dollars after sacks of money fall out
of brinkstruck in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
That feels real.

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
Montana Town being invaded by thousands of wild chinchillas, that
feels real too. Scientists says influencers are to blame for
rise in shark attacks.

Speaker 8 (01:41:29):
Wow, I really want to say number four is real. Uh,
I'm gonna go number one is fake, just because I
want the influencer story to be.

Speaker 1 (01:41:36):
Real and dragon. If Mandy has it right today, what
does she went a unicorn horn? Yes, the actual fake
headline is Montana Town being invaded by thousands of wild
two sills.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
That does seem reasonable?

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
Quickly reason what you got coming up?

Speaker 8 (01:41:52):
Well, we are going to talk to the special agent
who masterminded the raid in Colorado Springs. We're gonna talk
to him at two thirty. We're also going to talk
to Natal. I don't know if you've seen this floating
around on the internet. Colorado Doge Have you seen this?

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
Yes? But I haven't dug into it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
It's such a grift.

Speaker 8 (01:42:08):
When I saw it, I went to their website, and
I'm like, they're saying there in nonprofit. There's no tax
information on there at all.

Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
Who's behind this? I found out who's behind it.

Speaker 8 (01:42:18):
Natalie Tennant's coming on at one o'clock with Todd Watkins
to talk about who is behind it, and you won't
be surprised when you hear.

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
Everybody stick around for Mandy's fabulous show. Enjoy the rest
of your Monday.