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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There was a.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Somewhat significant debate, maybe a couple of years ago, in
my mind, two three years ago, about whether transgender women
meaning biological males went through puberty as men, whether they
should be allowed to compete against women in sports, especially
in important sports where real prizes and real money and
(00:25):
college scholarships and all this stuff are at stake.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
And I always thought it.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Was a very stupid discussion because the answer is so
obvious that the answer is no.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
And I say this as somebody just to make you know.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
If you're new to my show, let me just tell
you I am not a social issues conservative, right, I'm
not religious.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I'm a libertarian.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I don't care one way or another about trans people
or you know, like four or against. It doesn't matter
to me at all. Kids are a different conversation. But
you know, adults live your live whatevery life you want
to live.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
But allowing people who have the physical advantages of men
to destroy the hopes and dreams of dozens or hundreds
or thousands of women who have spent their whole lives
trying to reach a certain level of success in a
sport is manifestly unfair and ridiculous, And I didn't really
(01:22):
think that anyone other than an absolute lunatic might still
think it's okay to have biological men and women's sports.
And yet there is a debate about that tonight where
the person who's saying yeah, they should be allowed, I
don't know if he's a lunatic or not joining us
to talk about it. Tell us what's going on and
where and how you can either attend or watch online.
(01:44):
Hadle Manning, executive vice president of the Steamboat Institute, Hadlee,
good to talk to you, and why don't you just
jump right in and tell us about the event and
what my listeners need to know.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Sure, thanks, Ross. You know, a lot of people think
that this issue is over, that it's in the rear view.
Of course, Resident Trump came in. One of the first
things he did was sign an executive order barring biological
men and women in girls' sports. However, just in the
last week, we've seen yet again more examples of physically
biologically male athletes and women's sports. A rower, it's like
(02:16):
a college a censor in USA fencing where famously now
the female fencing opponent took a knee Stephany Turner took
a knee rather than faith a male opponent. So this
is an ongoing issue. And even John Oliver, the British
comedian late night host, just did a big segment about this,
saying essentially that while biological males or trans women as
(02:36):
he calls them, have some advantages in sports, he says
they also have some disadvantages due to their size. So
I'll be very interested to see what our debaters talk
about tonight. I hope that people in the Denver area
and the Boulder area can come out and see this
debate in person. It's going to be at five point thirty.
Free to attend event. You could register before him, but
(02:57):
you don't have to. You can just show up at
the Touchdown Club on campus at Cuvolder tonight at five
point thirty.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
We're going to have.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Jennifer Say, who is the founder of XXXY Athletics. He's
also the nineteen eighty six national champion in women's gymnastics.
She is going to be holding force for the idea
that no biological men or trans women if they are
sometimes called, should not be allowed to participate in women's sports.
On the other side, we have Kevin Bowling, who's the
executive director of the Secular Student Alliance and an LGBT advocate.
(03:27):
He is going to be arguing that, yes, transgender athletes
should be included, they should be allowed to compete in
women's sports. So I hope everybody will show up and
hear both sides, even if you are, like you Ross,
pretty decided on the issue. I find these debates fascinating
because I like to learn how people on the other
side of an issue might think, where they draw their information,
(03:47):
how they come to their conclusions. And I'm always always
leaving feeling a lot more informed and at least the
better understanding of how people think, even if it's different
from how I think. So I encourage people to come.
If you can't come and watch in person, there is
a live stream on our YouTube channel, the Steamboat Institute
YouTube channel, so you can log in at five point
thirty and listen to the debate that way too.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
So and folks, I've got links to all of this
on my blog at Rosscominski dot com, where you can
go to Steamboat Institute dot org and go to upcoming
events and you'll find it right there. And I agree
with you completely, hadly, just because I have a strong
opinion on something doesn't mean I don't want to hear
the other side. In fact, it means I want to
hear the other side. I always want to hear the
(04:29):
other side more than I want to hear my own side.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I do not exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I do not seek conformation. I avoid confirmation bias. I
think it's I think it's quite a harmful thing. And
knowing the Steamboat Institute, you're only going to set up
a debate with very credible debaters. So I'm actually quite
interested to hear the arguments this guy's going to make.
Even though I don't expect to be convinced, I'm quite interested.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, we always stress for our debaters and to our
audience members. Everyone's welcome to and participate, to listen or
to you know, ask questions. We just want everybody from
all perspectives to come with respect with the idea that
we're going to have a substantive debate. We're not going
to do any name calling or yelling. We're not going
to resort to partisan talking points. We're going to get
into the issue. It's always going to be fair. We're
(05:17):
going to give equal time to both perspectives, both sides.
We're always going to invite debaters who sincerely believe in
what they're saying too. We don't want to have, you know,
a conservative versus a conservative. We want to have like
a real clash of ideas, a real exchange of ideas.
And that's what I'm hoping for tonight, That's what I expect.
So I hope to see many of your listeners there.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Okay, So again for the live stream, which is probably
what most people would be able to do because only
a modest percentage my listeners are near are near Boulder.
But for the live streaming, or to the Steamboat Institute
YouTube channel, or you can go to the Steamboat Institute
web page that I've linked and it has a link
there to join the live stream.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
One more time, though, Hadley.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
For people who might be able to show up in person,
where and when.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
One more time?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Right, it's at the Touchdown Club, which is a big
athletic center on campus at CU Boulder. So if you
put Touchdown Club in your GPS, it should take you
there and we're going to have a great time. It's
about a ninety minute event, so plan, you know, to
get there in time to parks. The event starts at
five point thirty and should conclude about seven. So we're
(06:22):
going to have a really interesting debate moderated by Blankly
fellow Kaylie McGee white, which people might recognize her name
from Fox. He's on Fox News a lot. But I'm
very much looking forward to getting into this issue. I
expect Ross that this issue will go much deeper than sports.
I think we'll get into some of the bigger ideas
about what is sex, what is gender, what does it
mean to be transgender? So I'm very much looking forward
(06:43):
to I hope you guys can join.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Hadley Manning, executive vice president the Steamboat Institute Steamboat Institute
dot org to learn more.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Thanks Hadley, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Thank you so much. Ross appreciate you.
There was a.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Somewhat significant debate, maybe a couple of years ago, in
my mind, two three years ago, about whether transgender women
meaning biological males went through puberty as men, whether they
should be allowed to compete against women in sports, especially
in important sports where real prizes and real money and
(00:25):
college scholarships and all this stuff are at stake.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
And I always thought it.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Was a very stupid discussion because the answer is so
obvious that the answer is no.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
And I say this as somebody just to make you know.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
If you're new to my show, let me just tell
you I am not a social issues conservative, right, I'm
not religious.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I'm a libertarian.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I don't care one way or another about trans people
or you know, like four or against. It doesn't matter
to me at all. Kids are a different conversation. But
you know, adults live your live whatevery life you want
to live.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
But allowing people who have the physical advantages of men
to destroy the hopes and dreams of dozens or hundreds
or thousands of women who have spent their whole lives
trying to reach a certain level of success in a
sport is manifestly unfair and ridiculous, And I didn't really
(01:22):
think that anyone other than an absolute lunatic might still
think it's okay to have biological men and women's sports.
And yet there is a debate about that tonight where
the person who's saying yeah, they should be allowed, I
don't know if he's a lunatic or not joining us
to talk about it. Tell us what's going on and
where and how you can either attend or watch online.
(01:44):
Hadle Manning, executive vice president of the Steamboat Institute, Hadlee,
good to talk to you, and why don't you just
jump right in and tell us about the event and
what my listeners need to know.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Sure, thanks, Ross. You know, a lot of people think
that this issue is over, that it's in the rear view.
Of course, Resident Trump came in. One of the first
things he did was sign an executive order barring biological
men and women in girls' sports. However, just in the
last week, we've seen yet again more examples of physically
biologically male athletes and women's sports. A rower, it's like
(02:16):
a college a censor in USA fencing where famously now
the female fencing opponent took a knee Stephany Turner took
a knee rather than faith a male opponent. So this
is an ongoing issue. And even John Oliver, the British
comedian late night host, just did a big segment about this,
saying essentially that while biological males or trans women as
(02:36):
he calls them, have some advantages in sports, he says
they also have some disadvantages due to their size. So
I'll be very interested to see what our debaters talk
about tonight. I hope that people in the Denver area
and the Boulder area can come out and see this
debate in person. It's going to be at five point thirty.
Free to attend event. You could register before him, but
(02:57):
you don't have to. You can just show up at
the Touchdown Club on campus at Cuvolder tonight at five
point thirty.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
We're going to have.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Jennifer Say, who is the founder of XXXY Athletics. He's
also the nineteen eighty six national champion in women's gymnastics.
She is going to be holding force for the idea
that no biological men or trans women if they are
sometimes called, should not be allowed to participate in women's sports.
On the other side, we have Kevin Bowling, who's the
executive director of the Secular Student Alliance and an LGBT advocate.
(03:27):
He is going to be arguing that, yes, transgender athletes
should be included, they should be allowed to compete in
women's sports. So I hope everybody will show up and
hear both sides, even if you are, like you Ross,
pretty decided on the issue. I find these debates fascinating
because I like to learn how people on the other
side of an issue might think, where they draw their information,
(03:47):
how they come to their conclusions. And I'm always always
leaving feeling a lot more informed and at least the
better understanding of how people think, even if it's different
from how I think. So I encourage people to come.
If you can't come and watch in person, there is
a live stream on our YouTube channel, the Steamboat Institute
YouTube channel, so you can log in at five point
thirty and listen to the debate that way too.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
So and folks, I've got links to all of this
on my blog at Rosscominski dot com, where you can
go to Steamboat Institute dot org and go to upcoming
events and you'll find it right there. And I agree
with you completely, hadly, just because I have a strong
opinion on something doesn't mean I don't want to hear
the other side. In fact, it means I want to
hear the other side. I always want to hear the
(04:29):
other side more than I want to hear my own side.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I do not exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I do not seek conformation. I avoid confirmation bias. I
think it's I think it's quite a harmful thing. And
knowing the Steamboat Institute, you're only going to set up
a debate with very credible debaters. So I'm actually quite
interested to hear the arguments this guy's going to make.
Even though I don't expect to be convinced, I'm quite interested.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, we always stress for our debaters and to our
audience members. Everyone's welcome to and participate, to listen or
to you know, ask questions. We just want everybody from
all perspectives to come with respect with the idea that
we're going to have a substantive debate. We're not going
to do any name calling or yelling. We're not going
to resort to partisan talking points. We're going to get
into the issue. It's always going to be fair. We're
(05:17):
going to give equal time to both perspectives, both sides.
We're always going to invite debaters who sincerely believe in
what they're saying too. We don't want to have, you know,
a conservative versus a conservative. We want to have like
a real clash of ideas, a real exchange of ideas.
And that's what I'm hoping for tonight, That's what I expect.
So I hope to see many of your listeners there.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Okay, So again for the live stream, which is probably
what most people would be able to do because only
a modest percentage my listeners are near are near Boulder.
But for the live streaming, or to the Steamboat Institute
YouTube channel, or you can go to the Steamboat Institute
web page that I've linked and it has a link
there to join the live stream.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
One more time, though, Hadley.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
For people who might be able to show up in person,
where and when.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
One more time?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Right, it's at the Touchdown Club, which is a big
athletic center on campus at CU Boulder. So if you
put Touchdown Club in your GPS, it should take you
there and we're going to have a great time. It's
about a ninety minute event, so plan, you know, to
get there in time to parks. The event starts at
five point thirty and should conclude about seven. So we're
(06:22):
going to have a really interesting debate moderated by Blankly
fellow Kaylie McGee white, which people might recognize her name
from Fox. He's on Fox News a lot. But I'm
very much looking forward to getting into this issue. I
expect Ross that this issue will go much deeper than sports.
I think we'll get into some of the bigger ideas
about what is sex, what is gender, what does it
mean to be transgender? So I'm very much looking forward
(06:43):
to I hope you guys can join.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Hadley Manning, executive vice president the Steamboat Institute Steamboat Institute
dot org to learn more.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Thanks Hadley, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Thank you so much. Ross appreciate you.
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