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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's an issue that's been around like very much in
the forefront of news for the better part of a
couple of years now, and I am talking about the
participation of biological males in girls or women's sports, and
particularly particularly biological males who have gone through puberty as males.
(00:22):
I don't care much whether six year old boys and
six year old girls are playing soccer against each other,
because I don't think there's really much unfairness about that.
But once somebody has gone through puberty or is going
through puberty as a male, they develop certain advantages of
strength and speed and some other things that, at least
(00:44):
in sports where strength and speed and those other things matter,
all of a sudden it becomes an issue of fairness.
And my listeners know that I'm not a social issues conservative.
I don't have anything against anybody in the LGBT world
at all.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Go live your life and be happy.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
But when it comes to competing in sports, I am
just not okay with folks who have these physiological advantages,
essentially stealing the hopes and dreams of dozens or hundreds
or thousands of young women who have spent their lives
trying to get to the highest levels of a sport,
(01:25):
or even not trying to get to the highest levels,
just competing.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So with that long introduction, I want to welcome to
the show.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Peter Hillton, who is superintendent of Colorado Spring School District
forty nine. If you're from around there, you might just
call him D forty nine for that district and District
forty nine has made some news recently regarding implementing a
policy about this issue and.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Then also filing a lawsuit to.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Sort of proactively try to stop government from preventing them
from implementing the policy. There's a lot of negatives in
that sentence. Peter Hilts, welcome to KOA, Thanks for being here.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Thank you, Ross. I appreciate the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Did I say anything in my overly long introduction that
you disagree with?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
No.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I think you're right that this is a pretty important
cultural moment. We are trying to show some leadership and
seek clarity in the legal frame because we haven't been
able to get clarity from the administrative bureaucratic side, and
so when you can't get a good answer from the entiteam,
you've got to go seek relief and clarity from the courts.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Okay, so before we get to the lawsuit you just filed,
let's back up to the policy. Give us the most important,
the most salient points of the policy that you have
just passed, that the school board just passed.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So our policy, JBA, I'll refer to it as is
to protect well safty and privacy in sports. And the
language that we are using is fairness because it really
resonates people. Resonates with people that the way that the
Chassa Bylaws and the Colorado Anti Discriminat Act are currently
set up, they actually require us to discriminate against female
(03:18):
students because they require us to make it a condition
of participation that girls be willing to compete directly against boys.
That's the way chassis bilaws and the Anti Discrimination Act
are currently set up. So this lawsuit seeks to clarify
that the district may reserve some sports activities exclusively for
(03:40):
biological female students that we call girls. It ensures that
both boys and girls have protection in their bodily privacy,
so whether they're competing or changing, or traveling or lodging together,
that they will be appropriately separated by their male or
female status. And then we believe that This absolutely sets
(04:02):
us up and shields the district from the potential of
legal action if we fail to take care of the
students that are entrusted to our care. So it's really
that those three things, fairness, privacy, and protecting the district.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
So the policy, the new policy extends well beyond sports. Right,
So you were talking about, you know, just to you
put a colloqui with a field trip.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
So the policy is focused on sports, particularly sports that
would include either direct direct collision or contact, but it
also involves traveling and so field trips aren't really a
focus of this policy.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Sports, travel, location. There, Yeah, got it, got it.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
And I just to follow up a little bit on
the legal point that you that you made I feel,
and I I'm guessing you feel that we're in a
very blue state.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
You're in a fairly conservative district.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
And I have no idea what your personal politics are,
and it doesn't matter, but you're in a fairly conservative district.
And that's why this policy was able to be passed.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Although I think it was a three to two vote,
it wasn't a unanimous vote.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
And you're in a blue state with a state attorney
general who is not only very liberal but is also
running for governor, and a lot of these folks like that,
and he's a friend of mine, but you know, I
see the situation for what it is a lot of
folks like that will want to make a splash, and
he's going to want to try to win the Democratic
Party by showing his left wing bona fides, So maybe
(05:40):
he will. You probably have a little concern that if
you do this thing, maybe he would come after you.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
But you also have a.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Concern that if you don't do this thing, then you
may be violating federal law and federal policy.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Is that do you feel a little bit stuck in
the middle?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
And we particularly believe that there is an incoherence or
an incompatibility between Federal Title nine and both the Anti
Discriminat Anti Discrimination Act of Colorado COTTA, as well as
CHASSA Bylaws and RUSS. What's interesting is, I would invite
people to go look up the chass of bylaws. The
chafs of bylaws themselves refer to the problem with letting
(06:23):
boys compete against girls, and I'm quoting here. It creates
an inequity of skills and severely limits participation of female students.
I've got a professional, personal, and moral obligation not to
allow that outcome to happen. I owe it to the
parents that have entrusted their daughters to our school's care,
(06:47):
to the care of the district. I owe it to
those parents that I will make sure that we deliver
on the promise of Title nine, which is equal access
and opportunity for female students that is at least as
available to them as it is to boys us.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
It is really kind of a remarkable thing.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And this is more of a political commentary on my
part now, but it is a rather remarkable thing that
the sector of American politics, and I won't quite before
wokeness even but like the feminist left in the earliest
iterations of all this were so pro women and good
(07:30):
for them, right, and now that same kind of aggressive aggressive, well,
some of them are aggressive.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
That's not really the right word. A very active part
of the left wing base of the Democratic Party is
suddenly anti woman, an anti girl. And again, you know, Peter,
I've said it before. I don't have anything against trans people.
I don't. I really don't care. Live your life, be happy, right,
I'm talking about adults here primarily, But like, why I'm
(08:03):
just I really struggle. And this conversation came up yesterday
in different context with how the left wing has gone
so far on the twenty side of an eighty twenty issue.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, and I will tell you're as in our school district,
it's not a twenty. It's ninety nine zero point nine
to one of our students are confidently identifying themselves as
a boy or a girl. They tell us that when
they register for enrollment in the district, maybe as a
four year old coming to preschool or kindergarten. They tell
(08:40):
us that again. When they participate in activities as a
boy or a girl, they tell us again, when they
register for sports. They tell us again when they get
a sports physical. So we know who boys and girls are.
We don't have to do any kind of invasive tests
or genetic assessment. We know who the boys are in
our schools, and we know who the girls are. And
(09:00):
all we're saying is we're going to reserve a small
set of athletic activities for girls exclusively.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Right, And just to be clear, I had opportunities. Yeah, yeah,
sorry I didn't interrupt you.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Just to be clear, when I said an eighty twenty
issue I didn't mean that twenty percent of kids identify.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
As another gender.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I meant that in the in the public, at least
eighty percent of the population, including I think most Democrats
don't think males who have been through puberty should be
competing against girls in sports, and so that that's what
I meant by eighty twenty issue. I'm sure you know
the trans thing among kids. Very much of that is
(09:43):
peer pressure. I've told the story before, and I'm sure
you're closer to it than I am. So why don't
I share this with you and you tell me if
you think it's still a thing. But some years ago,
especially my I heard this from my older kid when
he was in middle school five six years ago. He
said half of the kids in his grade claimed to
(10:03):
be L or G or b or T because it
was cool. If you weren't one of those, you were
less cool, and God forbid, if you happen to be
a straight white guy, you were the lowest form of life.
And so you have all these So you have a
lot of just peer pressure to claim to be L
or G or b or T. I suspect two things.
(10:25):
I suspect that's diminishing a little bit and I suspect
you live in an area that's a little bit more conservative,
so the number might not have been that high, but
I bet you still saw it.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Sure, I mean, I think you're speaking to a phenomenon
we would we would generally call social contagion colloquially, it's
just things trend, right, they trend, they get more popular.
But here's a here's a really interesting observation. Sports are
contest of physical ability. So it's speed and strength and
stamina and coordination, and so you need a physical standard. Well,
(10:58):
what is the standard for physicality? The standard is biological science.
This isn't Sports are not psychological or sociological where you
can tolerate a subjective standard. They're physical, and so a
physical standard for a physical activity makes sense. Now if
we're talking about a social activity like student government, where
(11:19):
popularity and personal appeal, those really matter, And of course
we would want boys and girls to engage and compete
on equal footing, because in a social setting a social
standard is appropriate. But in a physical standing, we've got
to adhere to the biological binary to set our classifications.
That's just fundamentally fair.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, and actually that's probably a very similar conversation to
what is being had now at least and should have
been had all along regarding military service. I think it's
quite similar. Peter Hilts is superintendent of Colorado Springs School
District forty nine D for nine. A listener wants to
know how many instances of this being an issue have
(12:02):
come up in your district.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So it's interesting because we don't We don't track whether
or not a student arrives in the district representing other
than their their biological their biological sex, and so it's
not really about the numbers, it's about the principle. What
we do know for sure is that our students have
(12:27):
had to compete against students that were unfairly physically advantaged
because of their sex. And while I don't control other
districts and I'm only superintendent in one place, what I
can influence or lead is what we do, and we
think it's the right thing to do. Whether it's whether
it's right for one team and one girl or all
(12:49):
teams and all girls. We're going to do the right thing,
not because of the scale of the impact, but because
of the principle behind the decision.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Okay, two more questions for you. The first one comes
from a listener. Can you please clarify specify under the
new policy, what are the areas of sports that are
now reserved by biological sex.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
So what this policy tells us is that we can
have three classifications. We can have a boys classification, a
girls classification, and a co ed classification. A lot of
people are surprised to find out, for example, that tackle
football is a co educational sport, and we have girls
across Colorado who sometimes try out and make the team,
often as a kicker. But that's not that uncommon in
(13:41):
our middle schools. Wrestling is a co educational sport, separated
not by biology, not by sexual classification, but by weight
class But that's in our middle schools. Once we get
into our high schools, then we have boys and girls
wrestling teams as separate events. And so our high schools
offer fourteen sports. They are either boys or girls or
(14:02):
co ed. I don't have that full Listen. Is probably
not a great use of our time, but our job
is to simply to clarify that a particular sport is
available to boys, or to girls, or to co ed athletes,
and then to defend those classifications.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Okay, last question, for you, could you even have a
policy that would be enforceable? And if so, do you
or will you regarding whether a visiting team from outside
your district, let's say, comes to play against in a
girls category, comes to you and one of their players
is transgender and has clearly gone through puberty as a
(14:42):
male and it's you know, girls basketball, and they've got
a player who is six four two twenty.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Sure, and so no, the district cannot create a policy
that affects your or controls other districts the point of leadership.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Sorry, let me just jump in, Sorry, just an interest time.
I didn't mean can you control another district? I mean
would your team go ahead and play the game against
that other team?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So that's we have not set policy on that yet.
So I understand the question would our team compete with
our team? Forfeit that that is not under the purview
of this policy. We would rather see a system wide,
statewide standard that would prevent us from even having to
have that conversation.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
All right, that makes sense, and all right, last very
quick thing. It was a three to two vote on
the school board to go ahead with this policy.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
To two people. Two members of the board voted against it.
How do you why do you think they voted against it?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Well, I think every board has to decide what its
priorities are, where it wants to take positions and where
it wants to refrain. And the the two members that
spoke clearly against this policy did not believe this was
the right priority. They articulated that they didn't think it
was even necessary, and the three members that voted for
(16:13):
it disagreed. And that's what I like about local control
and our form of representative democracy within our constitule republic
and within our state system allows for that diversity of opinions.
I thought both sides of this issue were well articulated,
and ultimately the board spoke. And once the board has spoken,
(16:35):
we don't treat it as a three two or a
four to one. It's the board's decision and we will
now work to develop a regulation that implements.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Their directive absolutely, and that's the only way to do it.
I'm going to five to four vote on the Supreme
Court is still.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
The ruling, so I wouldn't have it any other way.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Peter Hilts is superintendent of Colorado Springs School District forty nine.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Thanks for your time. Thanks for your courage on this
issue as well.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Peter, we appreciate it. Thank you for giving us a
platform to talk a little bit about it. Thank you
all right.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Glad to do it.
It's an issue that's been around like very much in
the forefront of news for the better part of a
couple of years now, and I am talking about the
participation of biological males in girls or women's sports, and
particularly particularly biological males who have gone through puberty as males.
(00:22):
I don't care much whether six year old boys and
six year old girls are playing soccer against each other,
because I don't think there's really much unfairness about that.
But once somebody has gone through puberty or is going
through puberty as a male, they develop certain advantages of
strength and speed and some other things that, at least
(00:44):
in sports where strength and speed and those other things matter,
all of a sudden it becomes an issue of fairness.
And my listeners know that I'm not a social issues conservative.
I don't have anything against anybody in the LGBT world
at all.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Go live your life and be happy.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
But when it comes to competing in sports, I am
just not okay with folks who have these physiological advantages,
essentially stealing the hopes and dreams of dozens or hundreds
or thousands of young women who have spent their lives
trying to get to the highest levels of a sport,
(01:25):
or even not trying to get to the highest levels,
just competing.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So with that long introduction, I want to welcome to
the show.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Peter Hillton, who is superintendent of Colorado Spring School District
forty nine. If you're from around there, you might just
call him D forty nine for that district and District
forty nine has made some news recently regarding implementing a
policy about this issue and.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Then also filing a lawsuit to.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Sort of proactively try to stop government from preventing them
from implementing the policy. There's a lot of negatives in
that sentence. Peter Hilts, welcome to KOA, Thanks for being here.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Thank you, Ross. I appreciate the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Did I say anything in my overly long introduction that
you disagree with?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
No.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I think you're right that this is a pretty important
cultural moment. We are trying to show some leadership and
seek clarity in the legal frame because we haven't been
able to get clarity from the administrative bureaucratic side, and
so when you can't get a good answer from the entiteam,
you've got to go seek relief and clarity from the courts.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Okay, so before we get to the lawsuit you just filed,
let's back up to the policy. Give us the most important,
the most salient points of the policy that you have
just passed, that the school board just passed.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So our policy, JBA, I'll refer to it as is
to protect well safty and privacy in sports. And the
language that we are using is fairness because it really
resonates people. Resonates with people that the way that the
Chassa Bylaws and the Colorado Anti Discriminat Act are currently
set up, they actually require us to discriminate against female
(03:18):
students because they require us to make it a condition
of participation that girls be willing to compete directly against boys.
That's the way chassis bilaws and the Anti Discrimination Act
are currently set up. So this lawsuit seeks to clarify
that the district may reserve some sports activities exclusively for
(03:40):
biological female students that we call girls. It ensures that
both boys and girls have protection in their bodily privacy,
so whether they're competing or changing, or traveling or lodging together,
that they will be appropriately separated by their male or
female status. And then we believe that This absolutely sets
(04:02):
us up and shields the district from the potential of
legal action if we fail to take care of the
students that are entrusted to our care. So it's really
that those three things, fairness, privacy, and protecting the district.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
So the policy, the new policy extends well beyond sports. Right,
So you were talking about, you know, just to you
put a colloqui with a field trip.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
So the policy is focused on sports, particularly sports that
would include either direct direct collision or contact, but it
also involves traveling and so field trips aren't really a
focus of this policy.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Sports, travel, location. There, Yeah, got it, got it.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
And I just to follow up a little bit on
the legal point that you that you made I feel,
and I I'm guessing you feel that we're in a
very blue state.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
You're in a fairly conservative district.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
And I have no idea what your personal politics are,
and it doesn't matter, but you're in a fairly conservative district.
And that's why this policy was able to be passed.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Although I think it was a three to two vote,
it wasn't a unanimous vote.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
And you're in a blue state with a state attorney
general who is not only very liberal but is also
running for governor, and a lot of these folks like that,
and he's a friend of mine, but you know, I
see the situation for what it is a lot of
folks like that will want to make a splash, and
he's going to want to try to win the Democratic
Party by showing his left wing bona fides, So maybe
(05:40):
he will. You probably have a little concern that if
you do this thing, maybe he would come after you.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
But you also have a.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Concern that if you don't do this thing, then you
may be violating federal law and federal policy.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Is that do you feel a little bit stuck in
the middle?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
And we particularly believe that there is an incoherence or
an incompatibility between Federal Title nine and both the Anti
Discriminat Anti Discrimination Act of Colorado COTTA, as well as
CHASSA Bylaws and RUSS. What's interesting is, I would invite
people to go look up the chass of bylaws. The
chafs of bylaws themselves refer to the problem with letting
(06:23):
boys compete against girls, and I'm quoting here. It creates
an inequity of skills and severely limits participation of female students.
I've got a professional, personal, and moral obligation not to
allow that outcome to happen. I owe it to the
parents that have entrusted their daughters to our school's care,
(06:47):
to the care of the district. I owe it to
those parents that I will make sure that we deliver
on the promise of Title nine, which is equal access
and opportunity for female students that is at least as
available to them as it is to boys us.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
It is really kind of a remarkable thing.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And this is more of a political commentary on my
part now, but it is a rather remarkable thing that
the sector of American politics, and I won't quite before
wokeness even but like the feminist left in the earliest
iterations of all this were so pro women and good
(07:30):
for them, right, and now that same kind of aggressive aggressive, well,
some of them are aggressive.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
That's not really the right word. A very active part
of the left wing base of the Democratic Party is
suddenly anti woman, an anti girl. And again, you know, Peter,
I've said it before. I don't have anything against trans people.
I don't. I really don't care. Live your life, be happy, right,
I'm talking about adults here primarily, But like, why I'm
(08:03):
just I really struggle. And this conversation came up yesterday
in different context with how the left wing has gone
so far on the twenty side of an eighty twenty issue.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, and I will tell you're as in our school district,
it's not a twenty. It's ninety nine zero point nine
to one of our students are confidently identifying themselves as
a boy or a girl. They tell us that when
they register for enrollment in the district, maybe as a
four year old coming to preschool or kindergarten. They tell
(08:40):
us that again. When they participate in activities as a
boy or a girl, they tell us again, when they
register for sports. They tell us again when they get
a sports physical. So we know who boys and girls are.
We don't have to do any kind of invasive tests
or genetic assessment. We know who the boys are in
our schools, and we know who the girls are. And
(09:00):
all we're saying is we're going to reserve a small
set of athletic activities for girls exclusively.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Right, And just to be clear, I had opportunities. Yeah, yeah,
sorry I didn't interrupt you.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Just to be clear, when I said an eighty twenty
issue I didn't mean that twenty percent of kids identify.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
As another gender.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I meant that in the in the public, at least
eighty percent of the population, including I think most Democrats
don't think males who have been through puberty should be
competing against girls in sports, and so that that's what
I meant by eighty twenty issue. I'm sure you know
the trans thing among kids. Very much of that is
(09:43):
peer pressure. I've told the story before, and I'm sure
you're closer to it than I am. So why don't
I share this with you and you tell me if
you think it's still a thing. But some years ago,
especially my I heard this from my older kid when
he was in middle school five six years ago. He
said half of the kids in his grade claimed to
(10:03):
be L or G or b or T because it
was cool. If you weren't one of those, you were
less cool, and God forbid, if you happen to be
a straight white guy, you were the lowest form of life.
And so you have all these So you have a
lot of just peer pressure to claim to be L
or G or b or T. I suspect two things.
(10:25):
I suspect that's diminishing a little bit and I suspect
you live in an area that's a little bit more conservative,
so the number might not have been that high, but
I bet you still saw it.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Sure, I mean, I think you're speaking to a phenomenon
we would we would generally call social contagion colloquially, it's
just things trend, right, they trend, they get more popular.
But here's a here's a really interesting observation. Sports are
contest of physical ability. So it's speed and strength and
stamina and coordination, and so you need a physical standard. Well,
(10:58):
what is the standard for physicality? The standard is biological science.
This isn't Sports are not psychological or sociological where you
can tolerate a subjective standard. They're physical, and so a
physical standard for a physical activity makes sense. Now if
we're talking about a social activity like student government, where
(11:19):
popularity and personal appeal, those really matter, And of course
we would want boys and girls to engage and compete
on equal footing, because in a social setting a social
standard is appropriate. But in a physical standing, we've got
to adhere to the biological binary to set our classifications.
That's just fundamentally fair.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, and actually that's probably a very similar conversation to
what is being had now at least and should have
been had all along regarding military service. I think it's
quite similar. Peter Hilts is superintendent of Colorado Springs School
District forty nine D for nine. A listener wants to
know how many instances of this being an issue have
(12:02):
come up in your district.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So it's interesting because we don't We don't track whether
or not a student arrives in the district representing other
than their their biological their biological sex, and so it's
not really about the numbers, it's about the principle. What
we do know for sure is that our students have
(12:27):
had to compete against students that were unfairly physically advantaged
because of their sex. And while I don't control other
districts and I'm only superintendent in one place, what I
can influence or lead is what we do, and we
think it's the right thing to do. Whether it's whether
it's right for one team and one girl or all
(12:49):
teams and all girls. We're going to do the right thing,
not because of the scale of the impact, but because
of the principle behind the decision.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Okay, two more questions for you. The first one comes
from a listener. Can you please clarify specify under the
new policy, what are the areas of sports that are
now reserved by biological sex.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
So what this policy tells us is that we can
have three classifications. We can have a boys classification, a
girls classification, and a co ed classification. A lot of
people are surprised to find out, for example, that tackle
football is a co educational sport, and we have girls
across Colorado who sometimes try out and make the team,
often as a kicker. But that's not that uncommon in
(13:41):
our middle schools. Wrestling is a co educational sport, separated
not by biology, not by sexual classification, but by weight
class But that's in our middle schools. Once we get
into our high schools, then we have boys and girls
wrestling teams as separate events. And so our high schools
offer fourteen sports. They are either boys or girls or
(14:02):
co ed. I don't have that full Listen. Is probably
not a great use of our time, but our job
is to simply to clarify that a particular sport is
available to boys, or to girls, or to co ed athletes,
and then to defend those classifications.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Okay, last question, for you, could you even have a
policy that would be enforceable? And if so, do you
or will you regarding whether a visiting team from outside
your district, let's say, comes to play against in a
girls category, comes to you and one of their players
is transgender and has clearly gone through puberty as a
(14:42):
male and it's you know, girls basketball, and they've got
a player who is six four two twenty.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Sure, and so no, the district cannot create a policy
that affects your or controls other districts the point of leadership.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Sorry, let me just jump in, Sorry, just an interest time.
I didn't mean can you control another district? I mean
would your team go ahead and play the game against
that other team?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So that's we have not set policy on that yet.
So I understand the question would our team compete with
our team? Forfeit that that is not under the purview
of this policy. We would rather see a system wide,
statewide standard that would prevent us from even having to
have that conversation.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
All right, that makes sense, and all right, last very
quick thing. It was a three to two vote on
the school board to go ahead with this policy.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
To two people. Two members of the board voted against it.
How do you why do you think they voted against it?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Well, I think every board has to decide what its
priorities are, where it wants to take positions and where
it wants to refrain. And the the two members that
spoke clearly against this policy did not believe this was
the right priority. They articulated that they didn't think it
was even necessary, and the three members that voted for
(16:13):
it disagreed. And that's what I like about local control
and our form of representative democracy within our constitule republic
and within our state system allows for that diversity of opinions.
I thought both sides of this issue were well articulated,
and ultimately the board spoke. And once the board has spoken,
(16:35):
we don't treat it as a three two or a
four to one. It's the board's decision and we will
now work to develop a regulation that implements.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Their directive absolutely, and that's the only way to do it.
I'm going to five to four vote on the Supreme
Court is still.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
The ruling, so I wouldn't have it any other way.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Peter Hilts is superintendent of Colorado Springs School District forty nine.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Thanks for your time. Thanks for your courage on this
issue as well.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Peter, we appreciate it. Thank you for giving us a
platform to talk a little bit about it. Thank you
all right.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Glad to do it.
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