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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I want to do this now, right at the top
of the show, because I want to make sure we
can jump into this while it's still going on.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
And what we're going.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
To do here is we're going to listen to just
a couple minutes of argument at the Supreme Court, and actually,
let me just set this up for one second. Nominally,
it's an argument about Donald Trump's executive order rescinding birthright citizenship,
rescinding automatically granting citizenship in particular.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
To the children of illegal aliens.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
And nominally that's the case in front of the Supreme Court,
but it's actually not what's in front of the Supreme Court,
and they probably will not get to that question in
any important way, and they probably won't rule on that
question based on this hearing. Instead, what this is about
is that there were a few different judges around the country,
the lowest level of federal judges, circuit court judges, who

(00:55):
imposed nationwide injunctions, and the Trump administration is asking the
Supreme Court to rule that that level of federal judge
does not have the authority to bar the operation of
the entire federal government. It is too much power for
one low level. Although federal judge to have. So that's

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what they're arguing about today.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Let's have a listen.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Generally we follow.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
So you're still saying generally yes, and you still think
that it's generally the policy, long standing policy of the
federal government to take that approp That is my understanding.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
So, but it sounds to me like you accept a
Cooper versus Aaron kind of situation for the Supreme Court,
but not for say the Second Circuit, where you would
respect the opinions and the judgments of the Supreme Court.
And you're saying you would respect the judgment but not
necessarily the opinion of a lower court.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
And again, and I think in the vast masority of
insist our practice has been to respect.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
The opinion as well in the circuits as well. But
my understanding is that has not even a.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Categorical I think the way I think this guy who
you're hearing right now, I don't know his name, but
I think he's the lawyer for the Trump administration and im.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Shannon, can you see any video or is it just audio?

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Believe the quotestion from our application.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Just to audio? Yeah, I think that completely sour.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Okay, And is this Amy Cony Barrett speaking.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
So okay, let's keep listening to some of.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
The questions that others have asked you about the merits
of the order not being before us. Did I understand
your answer to be because you think percolation is really
important for this one.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Which do you think percolation is really important for this one?

Speaker 5 (02:27):
But the reason the merits are not before is because
we've only submitted to stay application on the scope of
relief question and as Labrador against Poe indicates, the scope
of relief is a separate question for them.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Oh, I understand it's a separate question.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
But there are plenty of times that the government comes
to us and asks for both absolutely, for.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
Example recently and the Wilkins and Cox application, we did exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
And the reason why you didn't ask for both here
is because you think that the merits question needs percolation.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
Yes, But also more fundamentally, it illustrates that the very problem.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
With these nationwide injunctions.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
Is they they forced this rush to you know, fast
and furious decisions on the merits. So I think it'd
be very inappropriate in this case to come to a
stay application saying please give us a rush to you know,
decision on the merits of something that's.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
The government's sun that in other cases too, right.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Those cases would be different. In this case, the example
I gave earlier, we think it's very clear.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Cut on the merits.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
You know, this one is we can see it a
novel inside.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
So this one isn't clear cut on the merits this one.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
In this case, we want the court to address the
remedial issue.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
If we offered the merit first.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
That's a vehicle problem because the court has in many
cases just address the merits and not the immediate issue.
And it's imperative from the federal government's perspective that the
remedial question be addressed.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
All right, let's let's leave it there.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
That's actually super interesting in that there was a lot.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Of technical jargon, a lot of.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Legalies jargon there, but basically what they were talking about
was what I just said to you to kind of
set it up. And the end Justice Amy Conie Barrett
was asking mister Sours that say, U E are is
that right? So he's he's the lawyer for the government
for the Trump administration, and he asked him, well, why
aren't you actually asking about the question of birthright citizenship,

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and he said, well, we didn't want to put the
court in a position to rush on such an important question.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
And she said why not. The government does that all
the time.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
And then he said, well, in these other you know,
and at least one example that he gave, he said
the merits were clear, and in this case they're not,
which is also very interesting. So that's the that's Trump's
lawyer saying that it's not clear to him that Trump's
going to win the actual case on birthright citizenship and
whether and whether birthright citizenship can be denied to the

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children of illegal aliens. By the way, I think that Trump.
I think that the Trump team and almost every lawyer
believes that when that question gets to the Supreme Court,
it will be something around nine zero, maybe eight to
one against against Trump. I'm not going to debate that
right now. But so that's what's happening today. And the

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Trump administration is really upset with all these very lowest
level of federal judges being able to say I'm going
to stop this policy for the whole country, and that's
what they are arguing about now. Obviously, the Supreme Court
never rules the same day, and this is going to
probably take they're going to do this quickly, though I'm
guessing it's going to take a month and a half

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something like that to get an answer, And my guess
will be they'll come up with some light handed guidance
for lower federal judges about when it's appropriate and not appropriate.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
To issue nationwide injunctions.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
I do not think there's any chance that the Supreme
Court is going to tell the lower federal court judges
that they cannot, under any circumstance issue a nationwide injunction.
But we will, we will see, all right, let me
switch gears and do something completely different. I mentioned from
time to time how much impact state and local politics

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and state and local policy can have on your life,
more most of the time than the federal government. And
this story seems so mundane and narrow and like who cares?

Speaker 2 (06:13):
But I actually think it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
And a perfect example of what I'm talking about. So
by December one of twenty twenty seven, and I know
that sounds like a long time, but the reason it has,
the reason it takes a long it's going to take
a long time as a whole bunch of counties and
communities are going to have to change their building code.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
And that's because under a new law.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Colorado cities that have at least one hundred thousand people
in them will be required by a new state law
to adjust their building codes to allow for apartment buildings
up to a height of five stories to have just
one stairwell exit. This was signed into law two days

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ago by the Polis. Now, under current law, you can
have just one stairway. You're allowed to have just one stairway.
I guess you could have more, but you can have
just one. Four buildings up to three stories, and then
with four or more stories it requires two stairways. This
is going to say, with four or five story buildings,

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you can have just one stairway. And the argument here
is that it will allow more space and a building
and maybe a more efficient configuration in a building that
will allow the cost of construction to be lower and
allow the cost of housing to be lower. One rep

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State ret named Andy Bosenecker from Fort Collins argues that,
and I think this is his bill.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Building a second stairway.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Not only choose up space that could be used for apartments,
that also adds between six percent and thirteen percent to
the total cost of the development. I don't know if
those I don't know if those numbers are right. As
you might expect, there was a little bit of pushback
from the fire department, which wanted to make sure that
there's enough safety stuff going on, because they tried to

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do a bill like this last year and the fire
chiefs kind of fought it. So what they're doing this year,
they're going to be requirements for sprinkler systems, smoke detectors,
and a maximum of twenty feet between the door of
any apartment and an exit stare well, so we'll see

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how all that goes. But I just think it's a
very interesting example of the kinds of things that seem small,
but in the background, you could imagine this actually affecting
hundreds of buildings, you know, over time they as they
get built, and maybe on the margin, just a little
lowering the price of multi family real estate here in Colorado,

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or lowering apartment rent, that kind of thing. So I
thought i'd share it with you. We got a ton
of stuff still to do on today's show. Keep it
here on KOA producer Shannon, you might enjoy this story.
So this is in this on a website called twice
dot com.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
And listener Greg sent this to me.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Japanese brand Pioneer we all know Pioneer Stereo Stuff has
announced that it has bid farewell.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
To the optical disc market. It was one of the
last big.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Japanese companies to make optical drives after more than thirty
years as a leader in CD, DVD and Blu ray
drive technology. The last four K Blu ray players the
company produced were back in twenty nineteen. Since then, it's
been radio silence and we meaning the website. People hadn't
expected a new home cinema Blu ray player to be

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produced by the brand. I'm gonna skip ahead. Stereo Neet
reports that sales.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Of Pioneer's optical products are scheduled to.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Come to our schedule to close at the end of
this month, as production of Blu ray drives has already.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Come to an end.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
After taking a look at its website, we can see
the comp copanies remaining optical drives for computers will be
discontinued as soon as Amazon's stock runs out.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
And it's you know, it's just the way.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
It's not really surprising, but it is kind of interesting
for those of us who've been around a long time
thinking about different music formats, and of course it's it's
difficult to and usually dumb to try to predict technology
for more than a few years in the future. But
I will make a prediction here in a moment. But Shannon,

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you and I are about the same age, right, So
you and I have been through vinyl albums which have
made a big comeback, eight track tapes, which I didn't own,
but they were ubiquitous when you and I were kids,
cassette tapes, which I still have a lot of and
I still have my set Player.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
And then CDs.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
There's Blu ray but and and Super Audio CDs, but
those were never very big for music. On the video side,
you had DVDs and and then ray and now yes,
there's been a pretty big resurgence in vinyl audio. In fact,
Vinyl audio is now out selling CDs for music. But

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now everything's streaming right and video Two. There was a
long time where video wasn't streaming, and it's hard for people,
especially young people to remember this, but in the early
days of the interwebs, you couldn't stream video because there
wasn't the bandwidth. You were connecting it first by a
dial up modem.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
That couldn't come close.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Even if it had the signal fidelity to carry video,
it did not have the bandwidth, and you you simply
couldn't do it. And then you had to get to
so called broadband. And even the early days of broadband,
there wasn't enough bandwidth too to carry video, right.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
And actually there wasn't.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
I don't even think there was enough bandwidth to do
a good job.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Carrying uncompressed audio.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Had that's why people invented the MP three and stuff
like that. So that's part of the reason. Also much
smaller file sizes. So here's here's my prediction. I'm gonna
make a risky I'm gonna make a risky prediction. So right,
so now you got you got Spotify, and you got
Title and you got Quobas, and you got all these things.
You got all the streaming audio, and then you've got
Netflix and Amazon Prime and Hulu and all the streaming video.

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And my my theory is this, And again it's generally
dumb to make predictions about technology for more than a
few years.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
But but my prediction is this. I I just.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Simply don't see why there will ever again be a
need for any of that kind of material on physical media.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
I just don't.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
I don't see vinyl is its own category because it's nostalgic, right,
and and people, there's something about vinyl records that is
different from anything else.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Maybe it's the old schoolness of it.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Maybe it's the quality of the sound and the amount
of information on the vinyl, which is far more than
the information on let's say a cassette and should be
more than the information on a CD. CDs are sampled, right,
Vinyl is basically not sampled. Theoretically, it's more information. Yeah,
they you can get dirty and it can get scratched
and all that. But there's a thing about vinyl, Okay,

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So vinyl is in its own category for its own reason.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Other than that, I would be really surprised.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Why would you ever need physical media again, especially with
data rates being what they are wirelessly now, like.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
The fact that you can watch a movie, which.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Is much more difficult to do as far as the
bandwidth and the amount of data, much more difficult to
do than audio.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Audio is easy. Video is hard, right.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Think about all those pixels and the audio that comes
along with the video.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
So video is really hard.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
And yet I can just take my phone that I
got right here, and just bring up what YouTube or
anything or YouTube tele which is my TV thing, or
Amazon Prime or Netflix or any of them on my phone,
whether I'm on Wi Fi or out there in the world,
and watch a movie.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Why would I ever need a DVD again?

Speaker 1 (14:13):
There may be some people who will store stuff on
a hard drive, like they'll download something and it's a
movie they think they're gonna watch again, and they've they
bought the movie rather than rented it or something.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
But I think we're done.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
What do you think, Shannon, You think that's too You
think it's just too dumb to make a prediction, or
do you think I might be right?

Speaker 6 (14:30):
I just wish more people would miss out on a
single word extras. Ooh you better, Netflix, better start posting
the director's commentary. Really yeah, I want to hear from
these actors.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Trust me.

Speaker 6 (14:48):
Go out and get Apollo thirteen and listen to Jim
Lovell and his wife comment during the entire movie it is.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Shattering. That's a fabulous point. Fabulous point.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
I don't think it's enough to save the media, the
physical media. I don't think it's going to get have
people continue to buy DVDs and Blu rays, but it
might if enough people think like you get the streaming
companies to start offering those products, which does seem.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Like a great idea. Like you need to post outtakes
of this show, producer Shatnon, I'm gonna get to all
your texts in a little bit.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
I see a lot of interesting responses to the stuff
we were talking about with physical media and CDs and
DVDs and stuff. Let me answer one listener question here.
This comes up from time to time, and I realize
not everybody is listening at every moment, so you might
not have heard it before. Sometimes if you.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Text me, or you text KOA, or you text.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
The Fox that uses the same number, or you text
k how which uses a different number.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
But we all use the same system.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
And this is a system that many companies use for
their own purposes. So I'm sure you have, for example,
set up some kind of texty thing with some company
somewhere and they can send you, let's say, ten percent off, right,
use this code this week and you can get ten
percent off. So companies that do that kind of thing

(16:17):
use the same system we use. And so if you're
if you're signed up for marketing emails with and we
don't do that here, okay, but if you're signed up
for marketing emails with some company and you want to
be out of that, you don't want them to send
you any more stuff, you send back the word stop,
and I bet there's other there are other words that

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trigger it, like halt or something like that. I haven't
tested it, but here's so here's the thing. The system
looks for those words. And even if it's not the
only word, if you were to send me a text
like I'm not going to stop listening to my music CDs,
it includes the word stop. And what's what will happen

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is you're going to get a text back from the
system saying that they got an opt out keyword and
you are now unsubscribed.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
And I just want you to understand it.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
That doesn't mean anything except that I likely did not
receive the text that triggered the keyword. But it does
not mean that you can't text, that you can't keep texting,
and it does not mean that we can't text you.
And it means it means in our context, it means nothing.

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So don't worry about that. When you get an opt
out keyword, it's just a function of the system being
used by other companies that use these systems in a
different way, all right, So there's that so many things
to talk about here. Oh, this is this is one
I had. I've had for a couple of days and
it came up. It came up when Paul Lundin was

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on the show, and I thought I would I thought
I'd give you a little bit more on this. So
there's a bill that looks to regulate ride share, Uberlyft
and so on.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
And it's a bill that.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Has a bunch of provisions in it, and I won't
go through all the details, but a bunch of provisions
in it that Uber and Lyft say will massively increase
the cost of providing their service. Uber has already said
that if this becomes law, they're going to leave Colorado. Now,
they might be bluffing, and companies say that kind of
thing a lot, But on the other hand, companies do

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leave Colorado as well. One example that I'll never forget Magpool,
which is a company that makes them just fantastic firearm
accessories and what people who are, you know, into firearms,
might call furniture. But this is a Colorado company was
and then Colorado. This is maybe eight years ago now,

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maybe something like that. Colorado started getting all very very
aggressive with their anti gun stuff and Magpool even though
by the way, Magpool left, they moved to Texas.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
I went to their factory.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
It was Texas, right, do you think that, Oh maybe
they did both. Can you look it up anyway? And
and the thing is with the stuff that Magpool was
selling was not illegal even under well, actually I take
it back. Part of it was because they sell some magazines.
They sell some quote unquote high capacity magazines, and uh,

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They're like, we don't want to be in a state
that is just aggressively against our industry.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
What'd you learn, Shannon?

Speaker 6 (19:38):
Yeah, I see corporate headquarters Austin, Okay.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
I but I actually think you may be right as well.
I think they did move some stuff to Wyoming. So
I think we're both right. I think they moved the
headquarters to Texas. By the way, there's a both states
with no state income text anyway, So companies do leave,
is my point.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Uber says they're going to leave.

Speaker 7 (19:59):
Here.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
There's a story from our news partners at KADIVR Fox
thirty one that was originally published two days ago and
then updated yesterday, Lift is joining Uber and asking that
Governor Jared Polis veto a bill passed with overwhelming support.
It says from legislators to make ride shares safer.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Now I'm going to look here, so I note by
the way that.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Faith Winter is on this bill, which means it's probably
a bad idea because she's just not very.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Good at any of this.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Now, let me just check the votes, so it is
true this gut In the House, it was fifty nine
to six, so that.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Was very much a bipartisan vote.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
In the Senate it was twenty two to thirteen, so
not quite a party line vote. I'm not going to
go look up you know exactly who voted what way,
but most Republicans voted against it.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
In the Senate, it's.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Been this bill has been edited a lot from the
very first bill, and as usual, Democrats came with this
incredibly overly aggressive thing. And so they were going to
require dash cameras and a live self identification photograph or video,
and biometric identification by fingerprint or optical scan or another

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method that effectively verifies that the driver providing the ride
is the same driver. Authorized. YadA, YadA, YadA. And then
there's just so much in here. So Uber said, we're
gonna leave if you do this, and so they water
down the bill a lot, to which Uber said, we're
gonna leave if you do this.

Speaker 7 (21:36):
Now.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Lift, in a letter shared with Fox thirty one, Lift
is telling the governor that if he allows the bill
to become law, that would quote leave riders less safe
and leave the future of lifts operations in Colorado uncertain,
and again Uber said that they would shut down.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Lift said, while the.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Bill is well intended, the final product sets operational requirements
for the lift platform that ignore and ultimately will not
improve conditions for.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Riders and drivers.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
The bill contradicts itself by both instituting requirements that could
restrict ride share companies from deactivating the accounts of drivers
who may present a safety concern, while simultaneously punishing ride
share companies with increased liability and litigation for not deactivating
a driver's account. And I think this is a perfect example,

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a perfect example of where the maxim that should be
used in these politicians in it, you know, given to them,
repeated to them.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
It should be over.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
This should be written over the like maybe on the
Golden Dome on the Golden Dome itself at the state Capitol.
Don't just do something stand.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
There that should be written on the state Capitol.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
It should be it should be on the top in
Latin too, in Latin and English.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
I mean, there are so.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Many people from Latin America in Colorado right now that
having it in Latin I think would be very helpful
as well, so everybody will understand. And it should be
over the entrance to the House and an entrance to
the Senate and on their letterhead. Don't just do something
stand there. That's what they need to know, because they
just go crazy. Here. I'll give you an example. I'm

(23:28):
president of the Bad Analogy Clip. I do this kind
of thing all the time. Not all the time, but
too often. My wife will say something like, wouldn't it
be nice if we had a ping pong table? And
then I'll go out and buy a ping pong table,
Like the next day. By the way, we don't have
a ping pong table. But I did do that one
time at a different house. I don't have it now.
And you get very excited and you want to make

(23:49):
people happier. You think you have a good idea or
you think someone else has a good idea and you
want to support them, and you get very enthusiastic about it.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
But sometimes what you got to do is.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Take a freaking breath, and I think, I mean, I
don't want to I want to be.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Very very careful with this next thing. I'm gonna say, okay, because.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
I so this bill, this bill is the lead sponsor
of this bill is a state rep. Named Jenny Wilford. Okay,
Jenny Wilford from Adams County, and.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
She was sexually.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Assaulted very near her home while her husband and kid
were in the house. And it's terrible and there's no
I Don'm not adding anything. I'm not saying, but there's
not a punchline coming. It's it's terrible and and the
person who did it should be very very severely punished, right,

(24:51):
I don't know, Maybe have one of his cajones cut off.
I don't know, something I believe in. You know, that's
like I say, cut off a finger or hand for
stealing stuff. Maybe cut off something else for sexually assaulting somebody.
What happened to Representative Wilford should not have happened.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
They do, they they do have the guy, by the way,
his name.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Is Mukama Dali Muka Dirov, and I don't know anything
else about him, but based on that name, I would
guess he's from one of the one of the Muslim
former Soviet republics, like Kazakhstan or a place like that.
That's normally where you get a kind of name that
sounds simultaneously Islamic and Russian.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
So here's the thing about this.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Wilford was sexually assaulted by this man who was pretending
to be a rideshare driver. I think he was pretending
to be a lift driver. And he said the lift
driver blocked my exit. When I tried to get out,
he pushed me back down into the car. He touched

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me inappropriately and went on to sexually assault me. She
sued lift and a local transportation company whose owner allegedly
let that guy use his lift account and vehicle when
he picked Wilford up. So this is I mean, that's
that's bad. But is that bad again? I'm gonna be

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very very careful. What happened to representive Wilfrid is terrible?
Is this problem something that is two things frequent enough
that you need to burden the whole industry with regulate
with regulations that appear.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
To go way too far and will.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Make it so that the industry will just leave and
not applying the same rules to taxis only ride share
only over and lift not taxis.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
How about that?

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Not that we have very many taxis left anymore because
Uber and Left offer a better product and overall, But
I find it unfortunate separate from this terrible thing that
happened to the state representative, that now you've got this
bill that is designed to do all of this stuff

(27:26):
because a state rep got sexually assaulted by a guy
who was not a ride share driver. Isn't there just
some relatively easy way to require the ride share companies
to certify, require them to require their drivers to say

(27:50):
I'm not going to loan this to anybody else, and
maybe some penalty for that. I don't know why you
need to put together a bill, a potential law that
is so draconian regulating all this after a thing that
shouldn't have happened was committed by a guy who was

(28:13):
not a ride share driver. So again I want to
be very sensitive to what happened to Representative Wilford. Shouldn't
happen to anybody, and whatever happens to that guy who
did something to her, whatever happens to him is probably
not bad enough. I'm not making any excuses at all

(28:34):
for that, just talking about the law, all right, So
raise your hand. Well, you'll you don't know the question yet,
you can't raise your hand. I'm going to ask you
to raise your hand if you decide that this is
very bad news for you. The Denver Auditor's Office is
looking to strip.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
The Diamond Cabaret.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
And that's a pun strip the Diamond Cabaret of its
liquor license and its tobacco retail tobacco store, and its
private security licenses, and it's a cabaret license and its
billiard's parlor license.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
All of it.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
And by a show of hands, how many of you
will be super bummed, super bummed if you can't go
to the Diamond Cabaret anymore. Denver Labor Department said that
the clubs had many violations, and this is I guess
there are a couple different uhs.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
So there.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
We'd actually talked about this in the past, about how
various strip clubs were doing various things that were mistreating
their workers, and in particular, what the auditor has said
a couple months ago. The Diamond has underpaid every tipped
employee by three dollars and two cents per hour for
every hour they have worked for more than two years.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
This tip theft pails.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
In comparison to the Trub's the club's treatment of its
entertainment entertainers. However, they missed classify these women, pay them nothing,
take gratuities they earned for their work, and claim they
have no workplace right so it would not surprise me.
By the way, they're not under Colorado law, these dancers
are not classified as employees, right. They're workers, but not employees.

(30:16):
And it gets a little complicated from there. Anyway, I
just wanted to be aware. You know, if you're a
big fan of Diamond Cabaret might not be around for
that much longer.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
I don't care, but I just thought I would mention too.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
All right, let's do another thing talking about about grumpy workers.
Although these workers, the previous workers, have a right to
be grumpy, these ones, I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
So this from nine News.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
More than a thousand Starbucks baristas. So these are people
who have one hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars in
in college loan debt and majored in transgender pigmy comparative
literature and can't get a job.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
That's who these people are, not all of them. I
know that's not very nice. I know it's not nice. Sorry,
more than a thousand Starbucks does.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Its seventy five US stores have gone on strike since
Sunday to protest a new company dress code. According to
a union representing Starbucks workers, Starbucks put new limits starting
this past Monday.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
I think it's this past Monday rather than next Monday.

Speaker 7 (31:16):
On.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Actually, no, it might be. It doesn't matter if it's
last night or next Monday on what.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Their burtistas can wear under their green aprons the dress code.
The new dress code requires employees at company operated in
licensed stores in the US and Canada to wear a
solid black shirt and pants that are either khaki, black,
or blue and made out of denim. Under the previous

(31:42):
dress code, again, I'm quoting from ninews dot com, buristas
could wear a broader range of dark colors and patterned shirts.
Starbucks said the new rules would make its green aprons
stand out and create a sense of familiarity for customers
as it tries to establish a warmer more welcoming feeling
in its stores. The labor union that represents workers at

(32:06):
only a small percent five hundred and seventy out of
starbucks ten thousand stores, so that's probably five hundred and
seventy too many. But the union, it's called Starbucks Workers United, says.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Starbucks has lost its way.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Instead of listening to baristas who make the Starbucks experience
what it is, they are focused on all the wrong things,
like implementing restrictive new dress code, said Page Summers, a
Starbucks shift supervisor from Hanover, Maryland. Customers don't care what
color our clothes are when they're waiting thirty minutes for
a latte. They also The union also criticized the company

(32:41):
for selling styles of Starbucks branded clothing that employees are
no longer allowed to wear to work. On an internal website,
Starbucks said they would give two free black t shirts
to each employee. Starbucks said Wednesday that the strike was
having a limited impact on its stores. By the union's
oonwe count fewer than one percent of Starbucks workers are

(33:02):
participating in the strikes, and in some cases, the strikes
closed stores for less than an hour. All right, so now,
first let me say I don't feel sorry for those
people at all. If the company tells you how to dress,
then dress that way or go work somewhere else. It's
not a very difficult concept. And that's all I have
to say on that part. But here's the other thing
I wanted to say. So on Mother's Day, so my

(33:25):
wife likes to get a coffee in the morning, and
sometimes she'll have one at home and then she'll go
out and buy another one. And I don't understand why
you're spending four dollars for some dirty water or five
or six.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Well, she gets the drip.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Coffee sometimes, which can be as little as like four
dollars or something, and it's like seventeen cents worth of
coffee from Starbucks or any other place. She doesn't always
go to Starbucks, right, But what a massive profit margin.
I mean, that's why it's one of the most amazing
businesses ever. But anyway, we went into this Starbucks location.
I'm not going to say which one it was, although

(33:55):
it might it might have been along a wrap a
rapa Ho Road, not too far from Jordan Road. It
might have been a little bit west of Jordan Road,
on the south side of a rapa Ho it might
have been I'm not saying where it was, and it
might have been a relatively new location that you might
not have seen before.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Shannon.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
That's set back a little bit from the road, and
you almost don't notice that it's there. And it might
even be near a couple of autoparts shops and a
little bit further east from the Sherwin Williams paint story.
But I'm not saying where it is. I'm not identifying
the location. So my wife, so there's a long line
at the drive in. My wife walks in. There's someone

(34:36):
in front of her at the counter, and the guy
in front of her points to a pastry and says,
I'd like that, and the guy and I didn't walk in.
My wife relates to the story to me. The barista
ignores him, taking care of people, taking more orders from

(34:58):
the cars in the line, even the this guy is
standing there at the counter and.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
He's like, hey, I'd like that pastry. There's only one
left of what he wants. There's only one left.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
And then the guy says something to him like, well,
you know, we're we're gonna check all the people in
the car line first. And then somebody in the car
line orders it and hadn't ordered it yet when this
guy was saying he wanted it.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Someone in the car line then.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Ordered it, and the barista dude sold it to the
guy in the car line, even though he was the
second person to ask for it, And the guy who
was there with his wife and kid, I saw them
walk out, got.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Really pissed and left.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
And then my wife is next in line and she's
waiting and waiting, and I'm in the car waiting and waiting.
And then Kristen says to the barista like, hey, I'm
standing here, you're gonna take my order?

Speaker 2 (35:45):
And he says, oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
We prioritize the car line, and Kristin said him, well,
why don't you put up a freaking sign saying don't
come in. You're not gonna get served if there are
people in the drive through or driving into the drive
through who got their way after she got was standing
in line, and then she stormed.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Out without a coffee.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
And uh, I'll tell you, for that unidentified Starbucks location
and every other Starbucks location, you need to be a
little careful. I mean, Starbucks already seemed to be struggling
a little less a little less popular than it used
to be. But when you got people telling you we're
not gonna take your order because we're gonna wait for
the people in the cars, that's no good.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
That's no good.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
But at least I didn't identify the location.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Did you put your trash out today?

Speaker 1 (36:31):
And at the beginning of this week you you reminded
me about a holiday right on Monday, asked you if
you put your trash out, but you didn't need to
because Sunday Mother's Day holiday pushes everything back a day. Right,
So now you're asking me if I put my trash out.

Speaker 8 (36:47):
Right, which trash day was Wednesday? Then you needed to
put it out today.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
But what if my trash day was today, which I
think it is at one of the houses, but I
don't know. But then I put it off till tomorrow,
right because of the Mother's Day holiday?

Speaker 7 (37:03):
Right?

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, all right, good safe crisis.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Can you imagine if I didn't put the trash out
on the right day. My wife hates it when the
trash doesn't go out be so she feels constipated, like
it is psychologically constipated with all this stuff backing up
in the garage.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
And if I didn't put the trash out on the
right day.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Because then you can blame her because it would because
it was her Mother's day.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
So speaking of Mother's Day, and I.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Was and we were just talking about the thing that
happened at Starbucks, and a listener said, that was probably
just karma taking care of Kristin at Starbucks after not
letting me get frozen custard. Except the Starbucks thing happened
ten minutes before the frozen custard thing. It was the
same day. The Starbucks thing happened first to that, So
that wasn't it. Let's just have a little listen. Let's

(37:52):
have a little listen to this thing.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
That bcle.

Speaker 9 (37:57):
No, that's massive, Yeah the might They're so cool, aren't they?

Speaker 2 (38:02):
And when did I come out in the no time?
That means the turner, it does too, And what did
I start off?

Speaker 1 (38:09):
So this is a very adorable little girl in Australia
and she's wearing a long sleeve, buttoned down kind of
heavy material, like like almost a cowboy kind of shirt
in bright pink and right pink.

Speaker 8 (38:25):
And there is a very large because of what has
landed on her. Yeah, she would need to be wearing
one of those like dog attack suits like.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
We were wearing. Huh, and when we.

Speaker 8 (38:34):
Got attacked by the dogs, which was a wonderful experience.
I absolutely loved every second of it. But even that
would not would not protect her from the creature that
is on her.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Right now, there's this very large moth that if you like,
if you took one of our Colorado Miller moths and
did something to it like you might see in the
Spider Man movie that turns Peter Parker into Spider Man,
you would maybe get this moths a camel park Why
so little grub and I turned into this beautiful furry machine.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yeah, how good is that? Did you know aboriginals? I
used to eat these? Yeah, because it's for Dragon. Actually
sixty fact I didn't make it. This hartain a really
good little bush snack. Would you like to eat one? No?

Speaker 10 (39:22):
Thanks, I just want to stick to.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
This is like a little bush musically bar. Awesome. So
there you go.

Speaker 7 (39:30):
Dragon.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
If you go to Australia and you get stuck out
in the woods and you don't have a musically bar
that's like Australian for granola bar, I'll die.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
You could just eat I've accepted it. You could you
could eat some of those moths. I just thought I would.

Speaker 8 (39:43):
Put that poor girl, she didn't get carried away or anything.
She could have died, could have died. And I am
thankful though I do perusersk minski dot com every morning,
and you did not post that video there, so I
am thankful that now that I've mentioned it, you'll probably
put it there.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Or no, no, no, no no, there's there's a very specific reason.
And of course I know you don't like seeing these things.
And I've been posting, you know, videos of like a
or Ai pictures of you and a gold song and
all this stuff, and yes, I do on a regular basis, right,
And and.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
I just I just thought I.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Had been pestering you enough with these moth videos and stuff,
and I would just give you a break. And what
I just said, the last ten seconds of what I
said is an absolute complete lie, and I'll never stop
doing it. And the only reason the moth video isn't
on the blog is that our blog program makes it
very easy to embed Twitter and TikTok and YouTube and

(40:40):
even Instagram, but it's not.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Easy to embed a Facebook video.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
And I went to try to find it on another platform,
so I could put it on the blog for you.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
We went through extra effort to torture me. Why wouldn't
I isn't that my job?

Speaker 8 (40:56):
I do have to say, I have to give spikes
where spikee is due. Yeah, A Rod's sent this to
him and then he said, send this to Dragon. And
then she said to him, send this to Dragon.

Speaker 7 (41:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
So I used to like you, Now you're dead to me.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
And eight Rod's mom is a regular listener to the
show regularly.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
So let me mention this other thing.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
And I don't have I don't have a massive update
for you, but I've got a little bit of an
update for you. The lovely little town of Manitoo Springs,
which is kind of like the more southerly version of
the town of Netherland that I used to live near
and more in northern Colorado. Manitou Springs a couple of
days ago declared a water emergency, and my understanding is

(41:36):
that it was because of a combination of melting you know,
runoff from snow melting whatever, and also a lot of rain.
And they got what they call a lot of turbidity
in the water, basically a lot of stuff, a lot
of dirt, floating in the water.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Manitou Springs Schools closed.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
The Colorado Springs Gazette so Manitou is near Colorado Springs.
The gazette says that Manitoo Springs Schools reopened yesterday because
of the city's emergency water shortage. The district was closed
Tuesday as the city attempted to conserve limited poddable water.
The city began asking residents and businesses to stop all

(42:13):
but essentral water use.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
On Monday.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
According to the announcements, the city's water supply reached high
levels of turbidity excellent word, that's today's word, that could
not be filtered at the water plant and what else.
Tuesday's operations had resulted in two hundred and seventy five
thousand gallons of treated water compared to one hundred and
fifty thousand gallons on Monday. And they're just trying to
run this water plant as much as they can to

(42:38):
h to be able to get the city's water system
fully operational. The other thing is normally and you know,
this is kind of the if it rains at poors thing,
which I guess is a bad analogy to use with
this or a bad metaphor to use with this, but
normally with Manitou Springs if they have an issue with
their with their own water system, they have a backup

(43:03):
water supply pipeline that comes in from Colorado Springs Utilities,
but that pipeline is being repaired right now, So they're
hoping to have that pipeline fixed by tomorrow and hopefully
Manitoo Springs will be back to some normal water usage
in normal.

Speaker 8 (43:21):
Life and so on. Yes, we might have a problem here,
Ross What Ross? And mister Redbeard? Mother's Day is not
one of the six major holidays that they change the
trash pickup days.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
But today is a holiday.

Speaker 8 (43:36):
It is National Chocolate Chip Cookie Day as well as
Hummus Day.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
So maybe they did push it tomorrow for that.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
You're saying that I might have incorrectly relied on you
and not put my trash out when you told me it.

Speaker 8 (43:53):
Was a holiday trusted by accident, but it's still correct.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Which part is still correct?

Speaker 8 (44:02):
Andy's saying that today is a holiday though it's National Chocolate.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Chip Cookie Day.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Yes, but is it a holiday that delays the trash
pick up?

Speaker 2 (44:09):
He didn't say.

Speaker 8 (44:09):
All I have here is that Mother's Day is not
one of the six, so maybe the Chocolate Chip Cookie
Day is well.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
I'm much more interested in National Chocolate Chip Cookie Day.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Than Mother's Day anyway.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
I mean, I don't eat a lot of just straight
chocolate chips, but I can put chocolate chips on pancakes
and waffles.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
I can go for a handful of chocolate. Well I can't.
I can't. I can eat them, but but I don't.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Well, actually, now that you mention it, why not put
a chocolate chip cookie on a pancake and eat it
up and kind of you know, especially if it's a
little bit of a soft one already. And I like
the chew wire. Let's do this five six six nine zero.
Here's my question for you on a range of how
cooked it should be, with zero being raw cookie dough

(44:56):
zero and ten being zero a cookie so crunchy that
you would almost break your teeth on it zero. How
cooked do you like your chocolate chip cookies? Text us
at five six six nine zero zero. And I would
just want to make sure you know, as always, as always,

(45:17):
there are no wrong answers. Okay, there are right answers.
They're right answer, but they're no wrong answers. Five six
six nine zero. Zero is raw cookie dough. Ten is
a very crispy I'm not burned, Okay, not burned, but
as close as you can get to being burned without
being burned. Where do you like your cookie? And Dragon

(45:40):
says zero, and he said it repeatedly. I love my
grandmother to death.

Speaker 8 (45:44):
When she was alive, she had stated multiple times when
I was a kid, she really loved the crunchy hard cookies.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
They're good for your teeth because they're crunchy. Your grandma
said that, you know what that? Do you know what
that's like?

Speaker 1 (45:58):
The little hard things to give to your dog to
clean their teeth.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
But of course my dog doesn't.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
You know, I brushed my dog's teeth a couple times
a year or something. So I get that as a
tartar control device, but I do not approach.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Chocolate chip cookies with the thought of them being a
tartart control device. So I don't.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
I don't mind your zero answer, And I'm way for
me personally. For me personally, I'm I'm way closer to
zero than to ten. I mean, I wonder if I
should have specified that it has to be cooked at
least a little bit. But I'm not going to change
the question now, but I will say my answer is

(46:39):
probably around.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Uh three.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Like I want the cookie kind of kind of mushy
but not necessary.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
And we're talking cookie shapes.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Now that you could pick it up, you could pick
it up still be gooey. Exactly right, exactly right. I
want it, and you nailed it. I want it cooked
enough that you can pick it up and it will
not deform its shape. It will not bend, it will
not collapse, it will not but no more than that,

(47:12):
no more than that, and it should remain and it
should be eaten, warm and fresh.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Here's an idea.

Speaker 8 (47:18):
No, nobody's listening right now, it's just you and me, Robson. Okay,
we need to open up like Crumble. Has there a
cookie shot?

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (47:24):
Oh my gosh, you know how expensive those are? We
need to open one up. Yeah, but it's made the order.
So you know, you can get a cookie baked at
the three, or you can get a cookie baked at
a seven.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Oh that's brilliant. It's just yummy. Yumi.

Speaker 8 (47:38):
We got this, well, we'll put it. Nobody else's listening
right now.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
It's fine. That is really brilliant. I got this idea.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
So okay, so if anybody accidentally overheard us, I'll ask
you for a little advice. Dragon probably doesn't want you
to comment at all because he wants us to be secret, but.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
I have a feeling we accidentally left the microphone on.
So here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
If Dragon and I are going to do a business
where you can order not just choose what kind of cookie,
but how well how cooked you want it to be
on a scale of and maybe we should just to
honor spinal taps, say this goes to eleven. What should
we call our business? I want you to text us
with our business name at five six six nine zero

(48:21):
when we come back. We're not going to get to
your answers right away because we're gonna have a guest first.
How safe are you at Denver's Union station or on
RTD anywhere? We're going to talk with the guy whose
job it is to keep you safe? Share with you
just a couple of headlines, but I promise you we're
not going to focus on the negative in this conversation,

(48:43):
but just to kind of understand some challenges.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
He a headline from Axios.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Denver New RTD chief vows to rebuild trust in wake
of Union Station shooting and from KDVR. RTD's new police
chief responds after Union Station shooting, there's still work to do,
so again, not going to focus on the negative here,
just we want to deal with reality. What's going on

(49:09):
in Denver, what's going on with RTD, not just Union Station,
but how should folks feel when it comes to safety
and security throughout RTD.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Joining us to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Steve Martin Gano is the acting chief of Police and
Emergency Management for RTD.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I should ask you, Steve, are you still acting or
is that? Are you now official and not acting anymore?

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (49:31):
I was officially sworn in on Tuesday, so I am
the police chief. Wow, the RTD trans police barker.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
All right, congratulations, I'm gonna do everybody pretend I didn't
say the word acting.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Steve is Chief of Police and Emergency Management.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Congratulations on the gig, I think, assuming you want it?

Speaker 11 (49:47):
Yeah, well I put it for it, Okay.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
So without being too backward looking, there was a lot
of stuff during COVID, in particular around Denver RTD, very
difficult time. Union stations started getting getting a reputation as
a place that you actively didn't want to go, which
is bad for the whole city, it's bad for RTD,
it's bad for everybody.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Things do seem a lot better now, So.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
I would like you to tell us what things are
like now, and maybe you can give me two separate answers,
Union Station specifically and RTD generally, and then we're going
to talk about what you're doing going forward.

Speaker 7 (50:22):
Perfect. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (50:22):
So obviously during COVID, a lot of places shut down
and a lot of shelters, you know, a lot of
that was volunteer based.

Speaker 7 (50:29):
Rt D stayed open.

Speaker 11 (50:30):
Obviously, you know, we were open for individuals that needed
to get places for need or to be medical or work.

Speaker 7 (50:38):
You know.

Speaker 11 (50:39):
So what ended up happening is a lot of individuals
came over to RTD because we were the only place
that had our doors open. You know, we worked very
hard with the city in Denver when COVID kind of
finally ended and things were opening up again, So we
utilized a different tiered approach. We had a lot of
mental health clinician on house navigators coming out of a syste

(51:00):
us with individuals trying to get them back to the
shelters that were opening to places in need. And then
a lot of individuals were not obviously adhering to the
laws and municipal laws within the city and County of Denver,
so we did have to make some arrests there. But
the beginning was more education and trying to get people
to you know, the facilities that were designed to help

(51:21):
with the individuals that might be experienced almost instrumental health.
And the past couple of years we continue those efforts
and you could see obviously Union Station has definitely changed
since then.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Okay, and then what about more broadly RTD safety and security,
Like a Union Station got a lot of attention, but
a lot of other places had their own struggles, and
I assume that those places that a lot of that
has been ameliorated as well. Just give us a little
status update there.

Speaker 11 (51:50):
Yeah, So, you know, the older style of policing was was,
you know, officers were kind of going around listening to
the radio, you know, and trying to handle issues that
were coming into our TV.

Speaker 7 (52:00):
We found that, you know, that that's not the best approach.

Speaker 11 (52:03):
So when I did take over the acting position back
in July, I met with all of our officers and
I asked them to, you know, get out of the
vehicles be present, be more visible, ride our trains, ride
our buses, get to know our customers, get to know
our employees, find out where the issues are. We used
a lot of our crime data analysts analysis to find
out exactly where issues were happening, so we were being

(52:24):
more present at those locations and that's definitely changed. So
since July, our criminal instance have continually to decline from
last year to this year, and a lot of that
I think is a proactive policing approach and just getting visible.
You know, once you see an officer standing on a platform,
chances are you're not going to do something that's going
to be negative, especially quality of life issues drug related,

(52:45):
So we're seeing more of that. We're doing a lot
more fair enforcement as well, having people be honest paying
for their fare. That's a portion of our budget. So
those all those ideas put together has really shown a
huge decline in criminal incidence and I think has been
making our tod On more of a welcome trans environment.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
By the way, for listeners, if you would like to
ask a question of Steve Martin Gano, who is the
who is the chief of Police and Emergency Management for RTD,
and especially if you are a regular RTD rider. You
can text in your questions at five six six nine zero,
And as usual, I do not promise to ask every
question uh that gets sent to me, but if you

(53:24):
send a good question, then I will probably ask it.
And again for folks who are active RTD users, that's
particularly who I would.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Like to hear from.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
I'm a little curious, and I should know this already, Steve,
but I'm a little curious about your background because that
change you made get out of your car be visible,
which I think is fabulous, is kind of old school,
and I'm and sometimes old school is the right way,
and I'm I'm a little curious about your background if

(53:55):
there's something in your in your professional background that just
kind of made that like an obvious thing to you, like,
of course we need to do this.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (54:05):
So I started my career it'll be thirty two years
ago in July. I was a New York City police officer.
So I actually walked the foot post for a year
and a half in Queens, New York. And that's really
where that high visibility getting to know individuals, getting no
community started. It was really Bill Bratton's philosophy when he
became our police commissioner kind of that broken windows effect.

(54:27):
If you start contacting individuals for the smaller crimes, hopefully
they don't lead to the larger crimes. But like I said,
to get to my footpost, I would have to take
a subway car as well as a bus just to
get to my post within this, you know, my borough
and my area of Queens And I met a lot
of individuals that you know, on the train, they would
come up to it to me, thank me for being
on that train, you know, for the for that commute.

Speaker 7 (54:50):
And that's where.

Speaker 11 (54:50):
Really I built that customer service type philosophy. And I said,
that's what we really are. I mean, we go three
counties and forty cities here twenty three hundred square miles,
but really, you know, our locations are pretty direct, right.
We have a platform here, so let's be visible there.
Let's let's meet our customers, let's talk to them, help them.

(55:11):
And also I said, that's going to definitely the sturt
crime in that area. And then working with the municipalities
is something that we are really really pushing here. You know,
we need assistants from all those cities and counties to
assist us. We have eighty seven officers. It sounds like
a lot, but when you spread that out, it's not
a lot. But like I said, I've also had a
lot of municipality experience working for our VAT in Denver

(55:32):
before coming here. RTD is not a listen to the
radio and be directed type of policing philosophy that you
need to be proactive, find out where the issues are,
and be visible for that.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Let me follow up on your comment there about the
number of officers you have. One thing that happened during
during COVID basically, although not because of COVID, more because
of George Floyd and all that, you had a lot
of sort of defund the police and a lot of
this kind of nonsense and uh and a sort of

(56:04):
negative negative views towards law enforcement that nationwide, not not
in any one place, started making recruitment difficult. And I'm
wondering with do you have the number of officers that
you would like to have and if you and are
are you recruiting, Like maybe there's somebody listening who would

(56:25):
be interested in that job, But just as a matter
of how your department is operating, I'm curious about this.

Speaker 11 (56:32):
Yeah, so we we're actually budgets for one hundred and fifty.
So we are recruiting at this point in time. Right
now when I'm recruiting entry level officers because the academy
starts here in June, but after after July, we'll start
posting again to have entry level officers for the December
academy classes. We hire a lot of lateral officers. We've
been having a lot of interviews. I think two reasons

(56:54):
on that. One is, you know, you talked about obviously
the defunding. You know, a better lane which would have
been is reallocating resources. So we do have a mental
health clinician program or corresponder program. I introduce that and
it's the first in the country for public transportation. And
we also have unhoused navigators which go out. We have
a lot of campments along our rail lines and that's

(57:16):
obviously a personal safety issue for individuals that may have
to cross our tracks. We definitely don't want that, you know,
we don't want anyone getting hit by a train, as
well as putting our operators in those situations. So you know,
we do utilize outside outside of policing philosophies to try
to contact our customers and.

Speaker 7 (57:34):
People along our alignment.

Speaker 11 (57:36):
But we're a huge, really different type of policing, you know,
I think that's what we're also newer, so a lot
of people like coming over here. They're getting better days
off of building seniority to move up. We've had a
lot of people coming as officers and now the sergeants
and corporals and lieutenants. But again, one of the things
about policing, if I go to your house, I don't

(57:56):
know where your stake lives are, I don't know where
your guns are, don't know what kind of weapons you
might have. But us, we know what our trains look like,
you know. You know, we train that, we know what
our buses look like. So we're taking away a huge
emphasis in regards to officer safety because we already know
the location that we're going to. So then now the
officer could really focus on the issue as on hand

(58:17):
as as you know, as opposed to having those forty
different eyes looking all over someone's bedroom and everything else.
So that a lot of officers really enjoy that style
of policing a little bit better. And plus we're very supportive.
We've been hiring. We just had a great contract with
our paternal older police. We're investing in our officers. They
know they have huge support here. A lot of them
don't feel that in the different cities that they've worked

(58:39):
out before. So we're getting a lot of officers coming
over here for that philosophy as well.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
That's that's really interesting one sort of quality of life
question for you. Another thing that I realized the plural
of anecdote is not data but anecdotally. A lot of
my listeners who ride our t D would text into
the show over not so much the last several months
a couple but for a couple of years before that,

(59:03):
saying like, there was like a homeless guy who just
stunk of pee on the back. It's sitting in the
back of the bus or on the train, and this
is happening all the time. And I think this probably
ties into what you're talking about with the homeless navigators.
But is that a priority for you to get people
off of the buses in the trains who aren't supposed

(59:25):
to be there, who are making the experience worse for
paying customers.

Speaker 11 (59:30):
So yeah, well, first of all, you know, it is
public transportation, so you can have the whole public right.
It tects you where you know where our vehicles go.
You know, we're inter rolling with the fabrics of those communities,
so you might, you know, customers might experience maybe something
that they're not used to with someone sitting near them
or around them at a bus or a train. But
you know, if they are paying customer, obviously they're able

(59:52):
to use our system as anyone else. Now, we do
have a respect to ride, which is kind of a
customer code of conduct. Someone's violating that customer code of conduct,
then we will obviously contact an individual and just like
anything else, right, no shirts and shoes at a restaurant,
you know, you need to leave. We have a you know,
we have a long list of of what we expect

(01:00:14):
people to adhere to you while they're on our system
and our properties, and they're violating that, that gives us
us a tool for our officers, our security officers, to
contact them, tell them they're violating you know, our customer
code of conduct, ask them to leave, or ask them
to you know, change their behaviors. So we do have
methods in place. But obviously, you know, we would never
target someone based off of what we feel, you know,

(01:00:37):
as a certain category or class of individuals. Sure you know,
they need to use our transportation to get there there
to their destinations just as much as anybody else.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Okay, and folks, we're talking with Steve Martin Gano, Chief
of Police and Emergency Management for our TD. If you
have a question, you can send it in at five
six six nine zero one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Follow up on that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
This might sound a little petty, but this is you
know what I what I hear from listeners is you
know you're talking about you can take people off if
they violate rules. If somebody literally just stinks of urine,
is that and you can smell it through the whole
train car, the whole bus, is that a violation of
the rules.

Speaker 11 (01:01:16):
Yeah, there there is a there is some provisions in
there in regards to you know, personal hygiene and that
kind of you know, those kind of situations. So again
we could contact them and then and then you know,
if an individual needs needs assistance in regards to you know,
getting to a shelter or trying to you know, change
change there, you know that type of of complaints, you know, well,

(01:01:40):
you know that's again where we utilize our resources, reach
out to our neighboring partners to see if we could
get somebody there to get them assistance. Again, that's really
you know, that's that's our first philosophy is education, contacting,
trying to get them to understand what the rules are,
and then you know, go from you know, go from
that point on to see how cooperative they're going to
be and hopefully, like I say, have them continue to

(01:02:03):
be a customer. But just you know, fall you know,
obviously fall within the parameters that we have in our
Customer Code.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Of conducts okay, And I have a feeling this next
question is also less relevant than it used to be.
But I have a vague recollection that there either is
or was proposed a rule that said you're only allowed
to ride for a certain number of hours, so you
sort of don't turn it into your hotel room or something.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Is there is there a rule like that?

Speaker 11 (01:02:28):
There used to be a rule about ours based now
you know, we do have you know, and this is
a this is a nationwide epidemic in regards to you know,
we we kind of generalize it as non destination writers.
You know, especially you know, you know, climbing weather, right
if it's really cold here or snowing, you know, sometimes
people will utilize our trensit system to stay out of

(01:02:50):
those elements. And again that's where you know, we rely
on our customers and our operators to let us know that, hey,
this individual continues ride back and forth, and then that's
when we will utilize our officers or security to contact them,
find out, you know, where they're trying to go to,
and then work with them to get them to someplace else,
because again we're designed for public transportation. We're we're not

(01:03:11):
a shelter. We work with a lot of the shelters
within the area. They do not you know, they don't
suggest people riding our trains will because we don't have
the resources in case something happens medically, you know, or
other bases of need. So they want those individuals to
come to their resources and we work to try to
accommodate that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
One last question for you, Steve, Assuming a person has
a concealed carry permit, are they allowed to carry concealed
on our TD.

Speaker 11 (01:03:38):
They are on our properties, they are allowed to carry concealed.
You know, obviously someone wants to see you know, the weapon,
not knowing they're you know, them having a pertment on that,
you know, we would probably have officers someone respond to
contact that individual, but they are able to carry concealed
as long as it's a valid permit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Everything else all right, And I thought I would leave
you with a listener comment. Will I quote kudos to
RTD In twenty twenty two, I literally feared for my
life when entering Union Station. Now it's flooded with security,
with law enforcement, and I rarely feel unsafe.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
So that's that's a.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Good I mean, it's it's a bummer that we ever
got to the point where someone would feel the way
that listener felt. But clearly the work that you're doing,
combined with other things going on with the economy, is
making a big difference. And I and I wish you
ongoing success and congratulations on getting the full time gig.

Speaker 7 (01:04:38):
Yeah, I appreciate that, and thank you for having me.

Speaker 11 (01:04:40):
And one last thing, you know, for your listeners, We
do have a text I mean, we do have an
app that's text space.

Speaker 7 (01:04:45):
It's called the trendsit Watch shap.

Speaker 11 (01:04:47):
If you are a writer, a customer for RTD, please
put that on your on your cell phone. You're able
to text us directly to our police communications center. Seeing
you're a live person, obviously you're not on the phone
trying to say, hey, the guy next to me is
doing and that it's tech space. We you know, we
utilize that data to really understand times a day that
people see issues. So I encourage everyone to go ahead

(01:05:08):
and please put that on their.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Phone one more time with the name of the app.
It's a transit watch. Transit Watch, Transit watch. Very good.
Thank you, Steve.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
And if you ever run across something that you want
to get the word out to to, you know, Koa's
enormous number of listeners, just be in touch with me
and we'll get you on the show.

Speaker 7 (01:05:26):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 11 (01:05:26):
If you do get any questions or anything else based
off of this interview, please forward it to me and I'll.

Speaker 7 (01:05:30):
Be happy to talk to those individuals directly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Well, absolutely, do that, all right, thank you. That's Steve
Martin Guano. He is the new head of Chief of
Police and Emergency Management for rt D.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
That was that was very interesting.

Speaker 8 (01:05:43):
I thought I could have asked him the cookie question,
but I think he seemed a little serious at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Oh yeah, I probably should have. Yeah, I'm sorry, that's okay,
I let you down.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Uh, listener says every reply sounds like his boss was
sitting next to him. He is his boss, so I
mean his I guess his boss would be this boss
might be the mayor or something. I don't know. We'll
come back to the cookie thing just in a bit,
but you keep those answers coming. The burning question of
the day is from zero to eleven? How cooked do
you like your chocolate chip cookies? With zero being raw

(01:06:15):
dough and eleven okay. I had said before ten was
almost burnt, so eleven is burnt.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Okay? From raw to burnt?

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Zero to eleven, how cooked do you like your chocolate
chip cookies? Dragon's answer was zero? My answer? My answer
was three? What's your answer?

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Five? Six, six nine zero.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Now, let me just share this one other story, and
I love this story, and I'm pretty sure dragons sent
this to me and you often we often make fun
of Florida man. Florida man is a moron, But don't
think that that doesn't mean Florida woman isn't a moron.
Florida woman is a moron. Two except for Mandy, but

(01:06:57):
she left Florida. This is from eyewitness News WCHS Television
wherever they are channel eight and channel eleven in somewhere
in Florida. I think and here's what it says. Port
Saint Lucie, Florida. A late night snack turned violent in
Port Saint Lucy as a woman allegedly shoved cheesy nachos

(01:07:18):
down her wife's pants and assaulted her. The Port Saint
Lucy Police Department said that on May third, officers responded
to a home YadA, YadA, YadA. According to the report,
the incident began when a woman was on the phone
with a friend heard her wife physically assaulting her. Upon arrival,
officers reported contacting Alison Swan, the suspect, who insisted that

(01:07:40):
everything was fine and claimed her wife was in a
drunken rage. Officers spoke with the victim, who shared that
while she was preparing nachos in the kitchen, Swan, thirty
nine years old, made comments about her eating late and
her weight. This led to a heated argument, during which
Swan allegedly grabbed a handful of nachos and shoved them
down her wife's pants.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
The affidavit claims to state that after the victim left.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
To change clothes, The report claimed Swan pulled her wife
to the floor by her hair, forced her fingers into
the sides of her mouth and slammed her head into
the floor multiple times. Police noted that the victim had
nacho cheese on her pants and showed officers a hole
in the wall that resulted from the altercation. The report

(01:08:26):
states that in later conversation with officers, Miss Swan denied
the allegations, asserting that her wife had thrown the plate
of nachos and rolled in them. Swan has been charged
with battery causing bodily harm. We need to add some
other charges to that, perhaps something to do with nachos,
abusive food, something like that. But that, my friends, is

(01:08:49):
Florida woman. From one to from zero to eleven? How
cooked do you like your chocolate chip cookies? With zero
being raw cookie dough sure, and eleven being burn burnt
zero and ten.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Being ten being as as crispy as you can.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Get without being burnt, and then eleven is eleven is burnt,
and then dragon you had a business idea you don't
want to know.

Speaker 8 (01:09:11):
That was just between you and I. Oh, all right,
a listener unless you think it would be one might
get some good advice. Okay, tell people your idea. So
there's the cookie companies out there, that that sell baked cookies.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
There's five bucks of cookies, but it would.

Speaker 8 (01:09:29):
Be worth it if you could have them made to
order on that scale of zero to eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Right, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
A metaphor I think would be when you go to
a steak restaurant, they ask what temperature would you like
your steak?

Speaker 7 (01:09:44):
Rare?

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Well, medium, whatever, all of that, all of that. So this,
this would just be that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
One listener suggested dragons Scale custom baked cookies.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
I actually really like I like that. That's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
There's another one, Dragon Kaminski Prime Cookies. No, I don't
think so. Dragon is yeah, a little wordy, and Kaminsky's
not great in a business name anyway, except for maybe
Komisky Field in Chicago, which isn't even my last name anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Lawyers or yeah, right, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Dragon scale, dragon Scale is pretty good name. Now, A
Dragon's answer was zero emphatically, so it's the only correct answer.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
And my my answer, my answer was three.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
And let's just let's just go through a couple of
listener answers, but please keep your answers coming at five, six, six,
nore in zero and I don't know, I just look
at the average here. Dragon I think the average is
probably somewhere around four around your three. Yeah, somewhere around there.
I've got two five three, I've got a ten, then three, four,

(01:10:44):
five seven, five point five six excellent, that's a very
much as we'll just start over, right, And I do
like somebody giving their answer as as a firearm caliber
five point five six.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
And so that's that's really good. I get it. I
get it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
And then you've got these other people eleven eleven, no
two three sevens an eight to nine ross. I used
to get in trouble all the time when I was
little for stealing cookie dough when my mom would bake,
and when I would bake as an adult, I was
always just eating the cookie dough. In fact, I used
to just buy the pre made cookie dough just to

(01:11:21):
snack on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
We do two sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
In fact, there's now because they've cottoned on to the
idea that like gen Z and so on, will do
this stuff and they want to make a little extra profit.
Now they actually sell little like cups that are chunks
of cookie dough just designed to be eaten as a
snack and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Not even cooked.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
And it costs a lot more than just going to
buy the role of cookie dough where you can buy
the like the toll house version, or you can buy
the generic, the generic supermarket version, or.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
All that you want to really cook gross story. Yeah,
of course I do.

Speaker 8 (01:11:56):
You know, being a little kid that I was try
and sneak some of that cookie dough from the tubes.
And I do that before my mom would get up
in the morning, and well there was an unopened mystery
tube in the refrigerator.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Uh oh, sausage, yes, not even.

Speaker 8 (01:12:16):
Thinking about it, grabbed the kitchen sneers, open it right up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Yeah, squeeze before you looked at it. Oh, most definitely really.
Oh my gosh, yep, something's wrong with the cookie dough?

Speaker 12 (01:12:34):
Mom?

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Did you swallow it? I don't recall.

Speaker 8 (01:12:36):
Oh, I got in a little bit of trouble, but
sure enough I snipped it open, and just.

Speaker 7 (01:12:43):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
How about DK Prime Cookie Company? That's not bad.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
I think I still like Dragon Scale better, but DK
Prime is not bad. Colonel Filthy Legs, old time cookies,
love it?

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Uh, made right? Cookies made right? You know. So here's
here's the thing, spectrum. Here's here's where I go with
this half baked more or less.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Yeah, that'd be pretty funny Ross, I just encountered this
very problem with Tates cookies. Tates cookies are good, but
they're very much on the crispy side. Right, these are
premate cookies buying the supermarket. They're they're near the near
the Pepperidge farm whatever cookies, and and and and they're
and they're kind of expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
And here's the listeners says they're yummy, but they're way
too hard, way too crispy. And hold on, let me
find the rest of this. You know, crumbs all over
my shirt and carpet. Give me soft baked, bendi chewy cookies.
I like my cookies medium, rare, so go bake my
dragon Kamenski prime cookies.

Speaker 8 (01:13:46):
But the phrase always was that's the way the cookie crumbles.
I don't want any cookie crumbles, because that's a waste.
I want nice, gooey doe so it all sticks together.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
And I couldn't agree with you more. I absolutely couldn't
agree with you more. All right, let me do one
minute on this other dumb story. So this is from England.
A family went into a restaurant, had some steak, you know,
had some steak, and some beers left the restaurant paid

(01:14:19):
their bill, left the restaurant, and after they left the restaurant,
the pub owner posted on Facebook camera video footage of
them eating in the restaurant, saying, these people did the
din and dash, they ate their meal and they left
without paying the bill. It was one hundred and fifty

(01:14:41):
pounds what one hundred and fifty pounds what one hundred
and eighty eight one hundred and seventy five dollars somewhere
in there, And so the pub owner posted this on Facebook,
but it wasn't true. And what actually had happened was
they had an employee who ran and the credit card
and the dude signed the credit card and that was

(01:15:02):
all done, but the employee didn't properly run it through
the electronic system to so that the system knew they
paid their bill. But they did pay their bill. Now
here's where the story gets kind of interesting. Oh, by
the way, that employee was fired. Okay, but here's where
the story gets interesting. The family that this happened to

(01:15:24):
is a very well known family and their kind of
small area of wherever they live in the UK, and
they run in their area. They run a reasonably well
known company and they are well known for being kind
of wealthy, not super wealthy, but you know, like low
level millionaires, which I guess where they are is a
big deal, right, And I mean it's a big deal

(01:15:47):
in a lot of places, but like not in central London,
is the point I'm making. If you have two million
dollars in central London, you're poor. But where these folks are,
you know, they're one of the wealthiest families around. And
so this family was really pissed off that there was
this public attack and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Their business owners.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
So there's this public attack on their ethics, on their honesty.
It basically called them thieves, and so they sued the
pub owner. They sued the pub and the pub owned.
These folks are from Ireland, but the meal was in England.
The pub owner flew to Belfast to apologize to the family,

(01:16:23):
offered them a free meal, offered them a free stay
at the hotel associated with the pub, and the family
said no and just kept suing. And they did end
up win, either winning or settling the lawsuit. I forget
which it was, and yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
They went through the lawsuit. So they won.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Something like seventy five thousand pounds and the pub owner
had another sixty thousand pounds in legal costs, so one
hundred and thirty five thousand pounds a little over one
hundred and fifty thousand dollars. And here's my question for you,
and I'm I want to get your answers, and maybe
I'll share some answers.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
In the next segment.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
Would you have just accepted the apology and the free
meal and the free stay if this guy flew over
to apologize to you, would you have dropped that lawsuit?
I want to know five six six nine zero will
be right back. We have wasted an immense amount of
time on it, and I'm gonna I want to talk
about this lawsuit thing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
But Dragon, what was the point.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
You were making when somebody said they like the crunchy
cookies so that they can dunk them in milk?

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:17:24):
There are a couple of text messages that said almost
that exact same thing. And why are you dunking it
in milk so the cookie will be soft?

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Just start with the soft cookie.

Speaker 8 (01:17:33):
Then you don't have to dunk it in milk, right,
just drink the milk like MoMA.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
So if you're just joining and happened not to be
listening five minutes ago. I'll just set this up again
real quick. A family from Northern Ireland. Are you happy, Mandy?

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Mandy?

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Are you happy now? I that was mandyxt.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
You in correct? You well, Mandy texted me on my
personal phone. I didn't even see if it was on
the text line.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
This family is from Belfast and then I said it's Ireland,
and then Mandy said it's Northern Ireland. I'm like, oh,
you nitpicker, Northern Ireland. Are you happy, Mandy? Thank you
very little. This family from Northern Ireland came to England,
had a lovely meal of steak and beer, paid their
bill and left and the pub owner posted a thing

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on video on Facebook video of them having their dinner,
and then said this family left without paying their bill.
But they hadn't left without paying their bill. An employee
did something wrong. The owner, I guess didn't check very well.
The owner, I'm sure, thought they didn't pay their bill,
but they had. And the owner of the restaurant flew
to Belfast, which, by.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
The way, is in Northern Ireland.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
And it's in Northern Ireland, not to be confused with
just Ireland, that's part of the UK.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
So no, it's the other way around.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Northern Ireland is part of the UK, so anyway, Northern Ireland,
dragon on Ireland.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Don't confuse them again. So I'm so confused now.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
So he flew over there to Northern Ireland and apologized
in person. And it turns out this family was a
well expected, a well respected, fairly wealthy family in their neighborhood,
and they were very upset that their reputation had been impugned.
Their business people and it's obviously very bad for them
if you run a business and then you know there's

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stuff out there on social media saying you're a criminal.
So this the pub omer went over. The pub owner
went over and apologized and offered them a free meal
and a free stay at the hotel associated with his pub,
and they said no, and they continued the lawsuit. Now
I think I would have accepted the apology.

Speaker 8 (01:19:47):
How long is that flight, though, I think to where
to Northern Ireland, I.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Don't know, but from London I'm going to guess half
an hour forty five minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Very long, I mean, if I don't know who from.

Speaker 8 (01:20:02):
Yeah, yeah, maybe, but from England to Northern Ireland.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
So you're saying the people who were who were libeled.
The guy hadn't sacrificed enough by making a flight that short.
Is at your point, I should know how long that
flight is I've actually done.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
No, I haven't done that flight.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
I've flown from London to Dublin, which is in Ireland,
and not from London to Belfast, which is where dragon
northern Northern Ireland. So here's what I would have done.
And I do have a few listeners saying the same thing.
But here's what I would have done. I would have said,
I accept your apology in your free meal, but you

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must post an apology online, not just say it to me.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
You must also pull And I'm sure he would have.
I'm sure he would have.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Listener says I would have accepted the apology with an
additional request for them to post online that they have
wrongly accused me. Yes, I would have accepted the apology
and not tried to get a windfall. Yes, it was
a mistake, sincere apology water under the bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Now here's a different one. Ross it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
If your name's attached to your business, you can't just
settle that kind of thing because your veracity and I'll
add your reputation is of utmost importance. Another person says,
as long as he posted his mistake on Facebook, it
depends if they're hurt, if it hurt their business. So no,
I would not automatically accept the apology. Ross, Yes, accept

(01:21:33):
the apology. Mistakes happened. The image of a semi wealthy
family gouging the pub for over one hundred thousand pounds
is worse than the harm that was done on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
I get that too. Just to be clarify, the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
Family got seventy five thousand pounds and then the pub
had to pay another sixty.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Thousand in legal fees.

Speaker 8 (01:21:50):
Where was the family from Belfast, which is uh non
Northern Ireland.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
I just didn't want to make up. I didn't want
to make a mistake there. Ross, I would not have
dropped the lawsuit. My reputation is the only thing I
have absolute control over. As the lawyers say, you can't
unring the bell. Interesting, and I suppose if I were
to try to, I think I would have accepted it.
But I understand that argument, and in a way it

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ties in a little bit to the thing I was
saying yesterday about the judge from Wisconsin who was indicted
and by the way, pled not guilty today to help
trying to help that illegal alien get away from ice.
And what I said was, sometimes you don't like seeing
someone pay a very large price for a minor to
moderate offense that might have been well intended, or at

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least not badly intended.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
I don't want to go too far down that road.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
But sometimes you just need to make an example out
of somebody so that other people don't do it. And
that judge in Wisconsin is going to be the example.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Maybe this is the example.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
A really interesting thing actually, right, So with the cameras
to pictures of license plates. So the mayor believes and
has believed the whole time that and and says he
has dated to back it up that these cameras that
take pictures of license plates are really important tools for

(01:23:17):
crime fighting and that they catch stolen cars. And you know,
there's a report someone did something something in some place
and we got the license plate, and then they'll go
check the database of these of the cameras and say, okay,
we just saw that car go through.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
This intersection fifteen minutes ago, and it's a crime fighting thing.
And so.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
There was a measure in front of the city Council
to expand the pilot program to have more of these
cameras and more parts.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
Of the city.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
And I will just say, for the record, I find
it a little bit creepy. I'm not going to go
on a full tie rate against it. I just find
the surveillance state a little bit creepy. And I'm not
always convinced that, you know, we're going to improve life
a little this way to fight crime a little that way.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
I'm not always I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Convinced that any marginal improvement in crime rates, for example,
is worth having cameras everywhere. But I don't live in Denver,
and Denver Denver can make their own decision, and they
did so. Now, they liked the program, they think it
really does important work for crime fighting. And then the
bill came up to or I don't know if they call

(01:24:22):
it a bill, but it came up to expand it,
and suddenly they all got their panties in a bunch
about whether ICE might somehow get their hands on the
data and use it to deport illegal aliens. Now, how
all right, First of all, I think that's a level
of paranoia, And I don't mean that I don't mean

(01:24:45):
that Trump administration.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Doesn't want to deport lots of illegal aliens.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
Of course they do, but the idea that that's where
they're gonna go, and I don't know that seemed a
little silly. But now Johnston is saying, well, we've found
a way. We're gonna we're gonna kind of lock down
our data to everybody, not just the FEDS. And it
doesn't mean they can't get it, It just means they
got to do certain things. So and he gave an
example in a TV interview of well, if Douglas County

(01:25:11):
says there was just an armed robbery and we got
this license plate, can you see if it drove through Denver, Well,
then Denver would go through and see if they had
it in the in the.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Database, and they could do it that way.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
And then what he said as far as well, if
ICE asked for the data, they said they would be
willing to share data with ICE only if they were
going after someone who was accused of a state crime,
but not a federal crime, and not to help with deportation.

(01:25:48):
And and my and so now he's saying this is
really good and we're going to do everything we can
to keep all the current cameras operating and hopefully expand
on it. And my thought is like, okay, maybe maybe
he's right. Let's just say he's right now, Like the
cameras are good, they do good work, and they can

(01:26:08):
lock down the data and it's all fine.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Why did you all run.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
Around with your panties in a bunch instead of figuring
this out?

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
And like why what was that about? It was just
so much crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
It's amazing what virtue signaling we'll get politicians to do,
isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Do you need a cookie? Isn't it? Ross?

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
Saying license plate scanners reduced crime is like saying spoons
make people fat. Okay, that's a fair point. That's a
fair point.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
And maybe I shouldn't say reduce crime. I should say
catch criminals now to the extent that you believe that
criminals commit more than one crime, to the extent that
that would let you catch someone and put him in jail.
And of course Denver is not famous for putting criminals
in jail, right, that seems to not really.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Be a priority for Denver. They sort of somehow.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Missed that connection, Like they don't entirely understand what the
purpose of a jail is why do we have this
funny building over here with the bars?

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Do we put tigers in there?

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Not really sure, but theoretically, theoretically, if they were to
actually put criminals in jail, then you really could reduce
crime with that. So while I while I get your point.
Oh hey, dragon, we got a guess that should have
been called a few minutes ago.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
So can you get him? Can you get him? I
forgot about I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
We're gonna get you. We're gonna get him right now.
So there's that dragon.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
You got it? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
So I just thought that was an odd That was
an odd thing. I'm gonna take literally one minute to
do something that I could probably do a whole show on.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
I want you to.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Keep an eye on this. On this tax spending budget
bill that's going through Congress right now. It's really bad.
It's really I mean, it has a couple of things
we want, but it has a lot of things that
only Democrats should support. And I'm going to go into
it in more detail tomorrow, but I just really want

(01:28:16):
you to pay close attention because the stuff about no
tax on tips is a terrible idea.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
No tax on.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
Overtime is a terrible idea. Making car Loan interest deductible
is a terrible idea, And I want you to keep
an eye on it, because I do think it's going to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
Be a big, big fight. All Right. I want to
do something that's way more fun than that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
I want to talk about whiskey, so my listeners know
that I enjoy I used to drink quite a bit
of Scotch and now I'm more of a bourbon guy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
I'll drink rye.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
American whiskeys are very, very interesting, to get better and
more interesting every year, and we actually have some really
good producers of these products, distillers in Colorado.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
And I just saw a story.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
I just saw a story at the Denver Post, and
a bunch of other places have it, but Denver Post
headline this Colorado whiskey was just named America's best single malt.
And the company is called root Shoot Malting and they're
in Loveland, Colorado, and joining us to talk about it
is Todd Olander, who is co founder of root Shoot

(01:29:25):
in Loveland.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Hey, Todd, thanks for.

Speaker 12 (01:29:26):
Being here, all right, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Yes, super glad to do it. Is your brother, the
other founder.

Speaker 12 (01:29:34):
It's actually my dad, your dad, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
My dad and I Yeah, who was it your idea?
His idea? At the same time, how does this come about?

Speaker 8 (01:29:41):
It?

Speaker 12 (01:29:41):
It was my idea.

Speaker 9 (01:29:43):
So yeah, we wanted to diversify the farm and kind
of go in to the next generation and last.

Speaker 12 (01:29:50):
Our have our farm last another one.

Speaker 9 (01:29:52):
Hundred years, and so we were like, how can we
diversify a little bit, And so that's when we started
looking into other ways to add value to what we
grow up on the farm.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
That's We're sorry to interrupt you. That's a great story.

Speaker 9 (01:30:05):
Where kind of the malting thought came from. And then
so we've been selling to a bunch of about one
hundred and fifty customers in Colorado our malt to either
breweries or distilleries. And then also we've got the Spirits
brand that you were mentioning in the American Singamall whiskey
that we're making.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
Okay, So a couple of quick questions then, and so,
first of all, I love that I think I mentioned
to you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
That I've had on the show, the.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Guy from from storm King down in Montrose, Colorado, and
they won a big award as well. But his background
has nothing to do with farming. He was just interested
in whiskey. I love your story that you have an
existing business, something your family's been in for a long time,
and you're looking for a new line of business to
make it more I don't know, relevant, sustainable, larger, whatever

(01:30:55):
word you would use.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
I love that part of your story. Oh, thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:31:01):
Now we are are a farm first is what we
always say, m and a maltause second, and then a
spirits producer third. So the Spirit's brand is really just
trying to kind of reach the public.

Speaker 12 (01:31:14):
It's public facing.

Speaker 9 (01:31:15):
Its share the story of responsible agriculture and just Colorado
agriculture and what can be grown in Colorado, which we
think is an amazing place to grow small grains and
the grain that actually goes into these products.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Okay, what do you grow on your farm?

Speaker 9 (01:31:32):
So barley, wheat, rye, and corn, and those are all
going into either brewing or distilling. And then alfalfa is
another crop which we sell to local dairies.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Okay, and folks, by the way, root shoot malting dot
com the website root shoot malting dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
If you forget it, it's up.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
On my blog at Roscominsky dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
So at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Are you saying that all of your production goes except
for alfalpha goes into goes into making alcohol, either by
you or by other people.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Correct? Yep, Wow, that was the goal of the.

Speaker 9 (01:32:09):
Farm is really to take advantage of these like the
brewing industry that's booming in Colorado, so now the distilling
industry that's kind of following suit. So wow, the best
spears and spirits are coming out of Colorado, and a
lot of those have been produced with our grain, which
is really an amazing feeling to know that what we've

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actually been growing on our farm is now in a
bottle or a can or something. So it's it's really
amazing that that it comes all the way back to
the soil that we've been caring for over the last
hundred years.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
Yeah, I mean a fifth generation family form.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
I have to say.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
I'll just say this to listeners as well as to Todd, Like,
I thought this was going to be a fun story
about a good Colorado whiskey, But this story is way
better than I thought it was going to be. I
just love what you're doing, and I love the fact
that you that you turned business that way and that
you can run a whole farm providing stuff for making
for for making alcohol, and you just found a way

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to a kind of you're you're almost in a different
industry now, even though you're still growing stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
So let me let me follow that up. Let me
follow that up for a second.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
Does does selling stuff that is going into making alcohol?
What do you have to do differently from selling what
to a you know, an outsider would seem like the
same stuff, but that's going into making bread or whatever.

Speaker 9 (01:33:33):
You know, we we could just sell into the food industry,
which we've we've been looking to kind of get into
that and diversify a little bit. But uh yeah, So
I mean, obviously we have the malt house, so we
have to run all of that grain through the maltine process,
which is three steps deeping, germination, and kilning and it
takes about seven days. So so that's like the main

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difference of like cault that we're producing to kind of
change the way the act well kernels are composed.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
So I'll get to that in a second.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
I know I want to get into that in depth
with you, but let me just get this one question
answered first. So do you grow the barley and the
wheat and the rye do you any differently than you
would grow it if you were growing it for another purpose,
Or do you do you use any different varieties of
barley or wheat or rye then you would use if
you were selling it into the food supply chain.

Speaker 9 (01:34:28):
Yes, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:34:29):
So so we have the ability to choose which grains
we want to grow, so we're constantly experimenting. So we
have some heritage grain which is from from Denmark and Sweden,
which is the Oland wheat that we've been growing, So
that's just had some rich history. Our last name is Olander,
so we were able to source this grain from from Sweden.

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And we're also the different barley varieties that we're growing
are really based more on flavor than they are anything else.
So like that's our our focus and our push is
to like find the best flavor in the grain.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
So we've done many many.

Speaker 9 (01:35:07):
Trials over the years trying to figure that out.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
We're talking with Todd Olander, who is the co founder
along with his dad of Root Shoot Malting in Loveland.
All right, so now let's go where you were going.
I'm a nerd and I have made beer at home
and I may again one day, And of course use
malten lots of things besides beer. Give us a pretty

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good two minute course on malting.

Speaker 9 (01:35:38):
Okay, well, I'll just give you a little idea of
what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
On our farm.

Speaker 9 (01:35:42):
So we we harvest the grain ourselves. So, yeah, we
harvest them, and then it goes directly to the malt
house and we have some large storage bins out back
that how is about a year's worth of grain, which
is around three million pounds. From there, we run it
through a grain cleaner to like size the grain and

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also clean out any like impurities, dirts, rocks, things like
that that might have gotten picked up while we're harvesting.
And then from there it goes into our steeping vessel,
which is basically just hydrating the grain. From that point,
we put it into germination vessels and that's where we're
controlling the temperature of.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
The germinating grain.

Speaker 9 (01:36:24):
So it's continually put putting off heat and CO two
and so we're making sure that that grain is being
grown in a very environmentally controlled humid.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Condition.

Speaker 9 (01:36:37):
It's right around sixty degrees. That happens for about five
days and we're just really monitoring how that grain is
growing and then and making sure that it doesn't overgrow.
Then from there we kilne it. And the kilning is
where a lot of the flavor comes from, So where
it gets your bready or just really grain forward multi flavors.

Speaker 12 (01:37:01):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:37:02):
And then depending on what temperatures we use in the
killing process is when you get the darker malts. And
so that is where like stouts come from, and that
bitterness comes from is like higher temperatures than the kiln.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
So, uh, that's the quick and dirty. It's fascinating, it
really is. So this is kind of funny. Actually, here
are two texts in a row, just you know, just
a minute or two apart from each other.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
I use root shoot in my beer. Brewis good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
And then the very next one, where can a home
brewer find their malt?

Speaker 9 (01:37:38):
So either Quirky's they carry us and then oh man,
putting me on the spot. Here the guys down south
dry Dock, those guys carry us as well. And then
up in Fort Collins there's the brew Brew I believe,
or brew Brew Fort I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
It's so you don't sell retail out of your phone, Okay, no.

Speaker 9 (01:38:01):
No, So you have to go to a homebrew shop.
And then if you look on our website. It also
lists where you can find our malts as a homebrewer
all right, Northern Brewer terrors us as well, so you
can actually order it online.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
Do you have is there a spot on your website
and if not, maybe you could put one that has
where you've got a link to say buy our stuff here,
and then you could put a list or a link
to those places.

Speaker 12 (01:38:25):
Yeah, like I said, there it should be.

Speaker 9 (01:38:26):
I think it's under our partners. There's a list of
home brew shops.

Speaker 12 (01:38:30):
Okay, there are products.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
Very good so far, and folks, you can get started
at rootshoot malting dot com. A listener wants to know. Actually,
I got a couple of listener questions. Do you grow organically?

Speaker 9 (01:38:42):
We don't at the moment, Okay, we are trying to
go in that direction. So we're growing regeneratively. I know
that's kind of a buzzword these days. Basically, we are
trying to protect the soil as much as possible, increase
organic matter, increase soil sequestration. So we are grazing the land,

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planting diverse cover crops, trying to do as much as
many things as we can to help protect what grows
our crops and uh and and really is what sustains
our our farm is to protect the land and increase
the microbiology in it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
And also.

Speaker 12 (01:39:24):
Yeah, just the soil health.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
Okay, good, we can.

Speaker 1 (01:39:27):
Let's say you got about got about two minutes left.
A listener I think is repeating something you said before
brew Hut at Hamden and Chambers. So there's clearly somebody
who's already already buying your stuff. Uh So, do you
guys do any kind of seasonal experimentation in your process
or is that something that's really done at the breweries
to make the seasonal this or the seasonal that.

Speaker 9 (01:39:50):
You know, We we constantly are experimenting, like I mentioned before,
So we have like a munich wheat which nobody really carries.
That's like a wheat that's been killed at a higher temperature.
We have been growing this naked holess barley.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Which is.

Speaker 9 (01:40:10):
Just something that's more for distillers. And then also we
have a roasted buck which is actually like a chocolate
malt for brewers, and we worked with Troubadour Malting in
Fort Collins to actually roast that for us. So we're
definitely experimenting alongside our brewery partners. They have something that

(01:40:35):
they're requesting, we'll do our best to kind of create that.
All right, a lot of it. It's just kind of
our brainchild as well.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
All Right, last stuff, And I actually thought this would
be like most of the conversation, but I love that
we got into the into the other stuff. So, I mean,
I found you because I saw this article about your
whiskey winning an award. I got the London Spirits competition
for the best American Whiskey. So just tell us a
little bit about your whiskey. What's it called, what's special

(01:41:05):
about it? Where can we buy it?

Speaker 9 (01:41:07):
Okay, Yeah, it's called just Reshoot Whiskey, so pretty simple.
And our website for that is Reshoot Spirits and there's
a store finder on there that you can click on
and it'll show liquor stores and then also restaurants that
you can purchase that. And yeah, that London Spirits award
was like really big for us. It's a really amazing

(01:41:31):
to be recognized as the best American single malt whiskey
in America, so I mean as a shock to us.
But basically we work with Boulder Spirits in in Boulder and.

Speaker 12 (01:41:46):
They do the distillation for us.

Speaker 9 (01:41:48):
But we come up with the grains that we use
in that like the different ratios of of malts that
we use in that recipe. So we do everything. It's
up for the distillation.

Speaker 7 (01:42:01):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
And that website again.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
Root Shoots Spirit Root Shoots Spirits dot Spirits plural, yeah,
Rootshoot Spirits dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
Okay, And you were just saying about aging finished your
thought there?

Speaker 9 (01:42:14):
Oh yeah, So it's aged aged four years at a minimum,
so it's all bottled and mond and it's also a
hundred proof. So we wanted to take our time and
make sure that the whiskey was ready before we released.

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
Its fabulous, really good, really good. I can't wait to
try it. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go find one
and then you have to come down to the station
and sign the bottle for me. All right, all right,
we'll do and and I'll tell listeners at London. You
know they most of these things they judge on a
scale of one hundred, and roots Shoo whiskey got ninety eight.

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
I mean, it's it's almost unheard of. It's pretty remarkable.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
Todd Olander is a co founder, along with his dad,
of Root Shoot Malting and lovelin.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
What were you saying, Todd, I.

Speaker 9 (01:42:55):
Mean we're surprised as as anyone else. So it's an
honor to be recognized in that competition.

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
Well, congratulations on your success, and congratulations on the bigger
picture of having a vision of what you wanted your
farm to be and and and making it work. It's
a great business story, not just a not just a
whiskey story.

Speaker 9 (01:43:13):
Yeah, I really appreciate you having me on.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
Thank you. Glad to do it, glad to do it?
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
That's Todd Olander from from root Shoot root Shoot spirits
dot com to check out the whiskey rootshoot malting.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
Dot com to check out the farm. Hi, Mandy, concerned
about getting that name right?

Speaker 10 (01:43:29):
Just fast and loose with Belfast Northern ire Lasha.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
You got a little cranky with me, didn't you.

Speaker 10 (01:43:34):
Well if you said that in Belfast, someone would punch
you in the face.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
Yeah, that very seriously all right, I'm just trying to help.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
I stand corrected, I correct I corrected it, I corrected
it overly.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
Coming up, I just wanted to subscribe for actress. What
do you coming up?

Speaker 10 (01:43:57):
Well, I'm gonna be getting the cities right on my
show that's what's happening. We're actually going to talk to
someone from the Pacific Legal Foundation about the birthright citizenship case.
I'm not entirely clear on what this will actually decide
or solve about actual birthright citizenship, that's what I'm thinking,
so I'm kind of confused. It seems procedural, but we'll

(01:44:19):
talk to them about it and see what's actually going on.
We're also going to talk to the superintendent of D
forty nine and about the lawsuit they've just filed against Colorado,
the state of Colorado, over boys and girls sports and
a lot of other stuff.