06-2-25 - *FULL SHOW* Krista Kafer Filling In For Ross

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're a study so feminine, so so girlish. Yeah, this
is Christy kay for I know it's been a while,
but it's good to be back. It's good to be
back on KOA. And thank you Shannon for helping out
behind the glass. He's out there waving, And thanks Ross
for letting me come in and take the mic. It's yeah,
it's been a while. I can't maybe December. I don't

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know the last time I was on the air. But
normally you know, a little for Ross, little for Mandy,
who's coming up next. And if you haven't heard these,
I haven't heard this voice before. I'm normally silent but deadly.
I'm a columnist for the Sunday Denver Post, and actually
I do talk on Colorado Inside Out that's Channel twelve.

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I'm center right, a little on the independent side, as
not everybody's bag, but a little on the independent side,
but definitely center right. And what else can I say
about myself. I'm a I'm an adjunct professor with done
a hundred other things. I've got a sub stack. You
want to find it, you just have to type in
think Different or Krista Kaefer. That'll bring me up there
and you can read my column. Yeah, because some people

(01:06):
are like, I don't have a subscription of the Denver Post,
Well get a subscription. But if you don't want to
get a subscription, you can check me out there. And
I'm also on Twitter for the few remaining people who
are still on Twitter, And uh, yeah, that's a I
guess that's enough about me.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I will say this.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
I could say hi and like five, I could say
high in like thirty five languages. It's kind of a novelty.
And I just became a dog foster. You're probably unless
you're a dog foster, you're like, what's.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
A dog foster?

Speaker 1 (01:34):
That's when you take in a dog into your home,
hang out with that dog and help that dog get
adopted and find it's a forever home.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
As an f you are forever home.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
And I'm I'm fostering with a group called Carl's Knine Crew.
That's k c K for those of you who are wondering.
Carl's Canine Crew out of Colorado Springs. And you know what,
they're always looking for foster's people who could take in dogs,
looking for other kinds of volunteers, especially looking for people
to take dogs. And you can learn all about these

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dogs if you just go to their website, probably wondering
who's Carl Do you know him personally?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Unfortunately, he was a decorated veteran and a really awesome
person who took in a lot of dogs. Is no
longer with us, but in his honor, this group is
rescuing dogs, I think mainly from Texas. A lot of
great dogs, small dogs, big dogs, whatever you're looking for
in the dog department. I have a little cataloua pit

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mix in my home right now, and she'll be ready.
She'll be ready for adoption pretty soon. We're working on
a little training. She is I'm gonna call her ugly,
cute or cute ugly. She's this is not a pretty girl,
but she is super cute and just a great all
around goal. Some people are like, hey, hey, we didn't
tune into here you talk about dogs.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Tuned in to hear you talk about public policy.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
So here's here's where we got ahead of US terror
attack and Boulder. I know you've heard some about that already. Also,
what happens when a government declares.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
A four day work week? Kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
There headlines that make you go du du yeah, I
got one of those. Also, the Dumgerous Awards of the Year. Dumgerous.
It's a young friend of mine coined this term things
that are stupid and dangerous, dumb dangerous, dumbgrous. Yeah, dumgerous,

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things that are dumgerous. And I tell you what, the
between the courts and the legislature. I hate to say
this for those of you on the left that are
tuning in. The left is gotten the line's share of
the awards so far this year. But you know, uh,
there's still room. There's still room for the right to prevail.
It could happen, It could happen. Should we stop using

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the words toxic masculinity? I'm thinking, yeah, I don't know that.
I don't think that term helps anyone in a book
right now. And a guy on the center left saying
the same thing, which is kind of refreshing. Also, thank
you Senator Johnson for saying, hey.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Uh maybe, uh.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't have a budget busting bill that
adds a few trillion to our already thirty six trillion
dollar national debt. So we'll get to those later. Also,
if you want to text me, of course, I would
love to hear from you. The text line is five
six six nine ozero and yeah, love to hear.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Uh, love to hear what you have to say. I'm sorry,
sorry Ross isn't here and not so you tuned in for.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
But we'll do okay, well, uh we get We'll get
through it. We'll get through it, I promise. So this
terror attack in Boulder, it's kind of hilarious. Right after
the terror attack, the chief of police at Boulder is like,
we're we're not speculating on the motive. I think the
motives pretty clear given what the guy was shouting as

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he used his makeshift flamethrower and tossed molotov cocktails.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
I think we can speculate.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
I think we're pretty sure this guy was a Egyptian national,
Mohammed Sabry Solomon, aged forty five, throwing these molotov cocktails.
He's got a makeshift bam thrower and he's yelling free
Palestine and other anti israel slogans. I don't think we
need to speculate. I think we know the motive here.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
He was throwing it at Jewish people and people.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Who are sympathetic to the hostages that were taken back
in twenty twenty three, group is called Run for Their Lives,
weekly run and walk events in support of releasing the hostages.
There are still fifty eight hostages held by HAMAS since
these victims were taken back in October of twenty twenty three.

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AMAS is evil. I don't think anyone needs to I
don't think that has to be repeated. If you take
hostages and kill people, I don't I don't care if
there's any I don't care. If you're a victim yourself
of injustice, you don't get to do those things and
have any moral leg to stand on. These people are evil.

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They kill people. They have killed hostages in there in
their control, people that they have taken.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
It's awful.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
The whole situation is awful a lot of I think
something around fifty four thousand civilians have died.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Now.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
I'm gonna say people have died in Gaza. About seventy
percent of those were civilians. And I realized that AMAS
hangs now, hangs out in civilian areas, hoping to, you know,
use these civilians as shields. But if you're like me,

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you're concerned about everyone involved here, including the civilians who
have died in Gaza as well as the hostages, as
well as the soldiers fighting to get these hostages released.
No sympathy for Hamas, but I am. My heartbreaks for
everyone in the situation, except for obviously Hamas and the
people who are killing people.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I think I think we're coming.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Are we coming up on a break, Shannon, were coming
up on a break when we get back. Love to
hear your texts on this. I've been over to that
part of the world, so I might kind of walk
down where I stand, which is maybe a little different
than other people. But I also would love to hear
where you stand on this. And again, I'm glad that
guy is behind the guy here, This flamethrower guy has

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been caught.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
He is in jail. He will be going to prison
for a very long time.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
And we just got to pray for the victims that
are in the hospital because I being burned. It's hideous.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
What he did was hideous, and we need to make
sure these people get better.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Other fun topics, don't worry. We're not gonna just stay on.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
The tough stuff.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
We're gonna hit the light side of the spectrum as well.
We will swim over to the shallow end of the pool,
I promise. But in the meanwhile, Yeah, we got to
make our way through this. This is Christy Kaefer. I
am subbing in for Roskominski and we'll be back into jiff.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
I'm just talking about a little bit about this terror
attack and Boulder and just got a nice text. Somebody says, Hey,
Chris said, great to hear you on the radio. Hey,
it's great to be back. Happy to be back, though
not super happy to be talking about this. This is
is awful. We have a guy who makes a makeshift flamethrower,

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puts together some Molotov cocktails, burns several people.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
It's very possible.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
That one of those people has died, given that the
guy's been charged with murder, as I understand it, not
attempted murder, but murder.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
So you know, I think I hope that's not true.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
We need to be praying for those in the hospital
that they recover and glad the guy's in jail. It's
going to be in jail for a long time. And
as Shannon pointed out during the break to me, the
there's going to be a backlash to what this guy did,
thank goodness, and there's going to be even more people
at next week's run for their lives. So he goes

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out there does this hateful, vicious, nasty, evil thing, and
now there's going to be even more people involved, more
people involved to push for the release of these hostages
as well as you know, your your average politicians and
what counts for celebrities here in Colorado are going to
be showing up and being like, look, look, I'm here,
Look I'm here. Because you know, everybody wants a little FaceTime.

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Everyone wants to be recognized, including those of us that
have just got a face for radio. You know, it's
nice to be seen. But and I'm glad I'm god
to either going to get more support because we do
want to see these hostages released.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I do want to take.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
A little step on the risky side and say that
we also need to be praying for not just the
release of the hostages, not just for the healing of
the people who are in the hospital, but also just
for an end of that war, for the sake of
innocent Arabs civilians in Gaza who have been injured and
killed in this war. Of the fifty four thousand people

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who have died, maybe sixty seventy percent possibly even as
high as eighty percent worse, civilians, women and children, doctors,
you know, people who are dead or injured, people like
you and I, And I say, this is somebody who
has great sympathy for both Jews and Arabs. I've got
a lot of Jewish friends, but i also have Arab friends.

(10:46):
I've been over to that part of the world, been
to Jordan, been to been to Egypt. And if you say, hey, I.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Know, I know a lot of really great Jewish people,
but I.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Don't know any Arabs. Place to start, go to your
local Arab restaurant. Put a face, a good face to
you know, put a good face on it. The media
shows us the worst, the worst people.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Balance that out by meeting some of the best people.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
And some of the most hospitable kind people I know
are Arabs. And frankly, the food is great. I'm all
about good food. So, you know, just try to maintain
a sense that there's a great tragedy happening here. And
I would love to see a two state solution, if
that's possible. I'd love to see Palestinians having their own state.

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I would love to see Israelis being safe in their
own state. I would love to see how mass completely
crushed and out of the picture. And some people out
there listening, they're like, that's not even possible.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Well, I tell you what. Some of the conflicts that looked.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Impossible fifty years ago, one hundred years ago, including conflicts
in our own country, things have gotten better. Things have
gotten better, whether it's with integration of African Americans, Native Americans,
other ethnicities, treatment of Native Americans. There was used to

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be some violence there too, and yet now we're seeing
things are just a lot lot better. In twenty twenty five.
Things that didn't look like they were going to get
better fifty years ago, things that looked didn't look like
they were going to get better one hundred years ago,
they're better now. And I would love to see a

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peaceful integration for Israel. You've got both Jewish Israelis as
well as Arab Israelis. The Arab Israelis are they're Muslim,
they're Christian, they're Drews.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
I know some people they're like, what the heck is Drews.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
It's a religion that I don't think there's probably anyone
who's Drews in this country.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
It's a it's.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Going to be a unique religion to that area, but
you've got, you know, some disharmony there. I'd love to
see some more integration in that in that country for
the different people that are there. And I would love
to see Palestinian Muslims and Palestinian Christians having their own state.
And I'd love to see Hamas crushed and out of

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the existence radicalized Palestinians. They're not doing any favors for
their own people, let's put it that way. And the
whole reason that those folks have died in Gaza is
because Hamas back in October fifteen, twenty twenty three, decided
to murder and kidnap Israelis and a number fifty eight

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actually Israelis are still Hamas still has these folks, and
I have no doubt they're being abused. We need to
make sure that they get freed. But I just don't
want to lose sight of the other victims of a
very very.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Very very bad situation.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
And I want to make sure that we not to
get offa here, but to make sure that we say,
you know, I think all anti Semitism is a bad thing,
whether it's.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Towards Arabs or towards.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Jews when we get back, Hey, why don't we uh,
why don't we go over to headlines that make you
go duh?

Speaker 2 (14:14):
I got a really bad one for you.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
It's Christa Kafer. I'm sitting in for Roz Kaminski. It's
eight fifty Koway. Text line is five sixty six nine.
Oh and just nice. People are like, hey, great voice,
great to hear you, Thanks for coming back on get
to hear you on the air. I just want to
say thank you to all of those folks. And also
had some really interesting responses to kind of what we

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were talking about in the last segments. So before I
move in a different direction, I want to read some
of these because they're they're they're quite good. One person
points out no one was armed and no one was
able to protect themselves.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
That is true.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Another person said, no one can be silent about from
the river to the sea calling for the total destruction
of Israel and to cry the continuing and mountain violence
like that in Boulder. Yeah, there are people out there.
There are there are people who would like to get
rid of Israel, and to be honest, there are actually
people who would like to know do a little ethnic cleansing.

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In the other direction and get rid of Palestinians. And
my hope is that there will at some point be
peace in that region and people will find a way
to live together, because there are a lot of innocent people,
both Arabs Israelis, people who just want to live their
lives just like us, go to work, have a family,

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have hobbies.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
We saw some a great act of courage.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
In Gaza when a lot of Palestinians who are against
Hamas stood up and said, we don't want Hamas anymore,
we don't want any more violence. We want an end
to the war. And they marched, and that took That
took a lot. That's like if Germans did it an
anti Hitler march in Germany. That's how brave these folks

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were standing up and saying, we don't want Hamas anymore,
we don't want violence anymore, we want to an end
of the war. So you know, there are a lot
of good people out out there, good Arabs, good Israelis.
There are a lot of Arab Israelis as well. Jewish Israelis,
a lot of great just a lot of good, good people,
including people who have been taken hostage, including people who

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have died during the war, and my hope and prayer
is for an end of that war and ultimately a
two state solutions so that people.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Can live in peace.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
And you know, it saddens me because I love I
love Jews, I love Arabs.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I just I yearned for peace. I yearned for it.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Another person said Israel had all the sympathy in the
world after the massacre at the kibbutz and the festival.
NETANYAHUO has completely squandered it now by massacring Palestineans, by
starvation bombing people. Intends to keep himself in power and
out of prison. Provocative statement. Definitely a provocative statement. And

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I have mixed feelings about nat Yahoo. I understand he
wants to keep his country safe, get those get those
precious victims, those that were taken hostage back safe and alive,
and to restore safety for his own country. But like
this particular texture, I just I think that could have

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been done without the deaths of thousands and thousands of civilians.
So yeah, I yearned for peace. I know it's a
heavy subject. Don't be see if there we've got any
more texts coming in, because I'd love to hear from you.
That is five six six nine er Dragon is coming

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in behind the glass, taking the place of Shannon, and
Shannon thanks a lot for just producing like like a madman.
You were fantastic. It is great to be back, great
to see some folks that I haven't seen in a while.
So I mentioned that we would start to maybe swim
over a little bit to a lighter side of our
shallower side of the pool. We started off pretty heavy,

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little geopolitics, death, terrorism. Yeah, pretty uh, pretty heavy stuff.
And I know it's a little you know, it's morning.
Maybe we go a little bit lighter.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
I do.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Uh. I did like this statement, though. Somebody said maybe
they ought to put a new tear no terrorism sign
next to their gun free Uh.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Let's see if I can find it here. Let's see.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Uh No, okay, I lost it. Oh here it is. Uh,
these silly Bowlder people should have had a no terrorist
zone sign right next to their gun free zone sign. Yeah,
maybe that would have helped. Oh gun free zone thing.
If you're a person who is planning on hurting other people, Uh,

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do you think you're gonna like see that sign and
be like, oh it's.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
A gun free zone.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
I better, I better, I better go home. It's ridiculous.
It is Uh, it's yeah, a ridiculous sign. Yeah, I
don't get it. And honestly, if I was doing a
concealed carry and I felt that my safety was imperiled
and I had a gun concealed under my clothing or

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my purse, I would not be like, oh, it's a
gun free zone, I better put this in my car.
I'd be carrying my gun. If my safety is imperiled,
you bet, I'm going to be armed. And on the
other side of the coin is an evil person is
not going to see that sign and be like, Oh,
I think I'll go shoot someone somewhere else. Uh.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
There are people out there who are.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Bent on killing people, on hurting people, and they are
not going to be deterred by gun free zone any
more than they would be deterred by a no Molotov
cocktail or no flamestor sign.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
It doesn't exactly work that way.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
It's called that's just like example one oh one of
virtue signaling. If you're gonna put up that sign and
be like we're just doing that a gun free zone,
uh huh. Human nature, human beings are capable of great evil,
and they're not going to see that sign and be like, no,
I'm going to get rid of my hate. I'm gon
go get some counseling. Let's see we've got.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
That's another really.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Nice un It's a very very nice text coming in.
I really appreciate, appreciate the support. Appreciate the support. But
let's let's move on. I've got another person who's like, dude,
I'm done with this subject. Let's move on to something else.
So headlines that make you go duh. There was a
headline in Sunday's Denver Pose that said sixteenth Street safety

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safety key to rebound, and I went, you think safety
key to a rebound? I think it's gonna take a
little more than that, you know. US News and World
Report ranked Colorado the second most dangerous state in the Union. Yay,
we beat out California and New York. The only one

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we didn't beat out was New Mexico. And yeah, apparently
we're the second most dangerous state in the nation. And
I have a hunch that some of the danger is
in our beautiful downtown Denver. I haven't been to sixteenth Street,
and I don't know how long. The only reason I'll
ever go downtown is to see a play. I can
get a good restaurant, I get other stuff elsewhere, So

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why would I go to Sixteenth Street mall. I guess
we're not calling it sixteenth Street Mall anymore. The mayor
decided that if we drop the word mall, we could
bring people back.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
To sixteenth Street.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Okay, that's a little like a gun free zone, a little,
a little tinkering with words. I'm not sure it's actually
gonna make a big difference. But I used to work
at the Tabor Center a long time ago during my
ill spent youth, the dropped out of college, did retail jobs,

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did all kinds of stuff, ended up going back to college.
But I did work at the Tabor Center, selling all
kinds of things, from holograms to color changing shirts.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
To kites, and it was fun.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
But honestly, I have not spent much time downtown ever since,
and I don't have any reason too. There are great
restaurants in the suburbs. Parker's got a great main street,
Littleton's got a main great main street, Golden's got a
great main street. Best food in the entire metro area
is Aurora, Aurora. It's not the prettiest, although Southlands is

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kind of cute, not the prettiest part of town, a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Of a hodgepodge of all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
But you want good food, that's Aurora, and h Mart
is an Aurora. H Mart is the giant.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
It's like a.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Multi ethnic grocery store filled with exotic deliciousness. And I
don't they didn't pay me to give them a shout out.
I'm just giving them a shout out because they're so good.
With all these great restaurants and all this great entertainment,
all kinds of smaller playhouses, entertainment venues, why would you
go downtown. I'm not going to go downtown number one,

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I'm not going to park and pay what fifteen thirty bucks. Also,
if you screw up and you don't go back and
you go a little bit over time, you get a
bill in the mail for like eighty bucks. I kid
you not. It's not like they're like, well, you were
five minutes late, you know, pay us another ten bucks.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
You're good. You'll get like like an eighty dollar fine
in the mail. I'm not going to risk that.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
I'm not a very time conscious person, so me being
a little late on the meter is is not an
unusual thing to have happen. Just seeing another friendly face
coming in from the newsroom. Yay, And again, thanks for
these nice texts that are coming in.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
It has been a little while since I've been back
on the air. And anyway, Sixteenth Street mall? Would you
go downtown? Do you have any desire to go downtown?
Do you think that changing the word mall is going
to make a huge difference and people are going to
be like, yeah, let's go to sixteenth Street. I get
a hunch that's a no where do you go for fun?

(24:27):
I would rather keep it local.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
You know, Littleton, Parker, Golden one.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Of these other main streets where I know I can
get good food. I know I'm not going to be
charged eighty bucks if I'm a little late coming back
to get my car. I'm not going to be charged
thirty bucks an hour to park my car. And I'm
not going to take the lightrail.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
I'm not saying I would never take it. Maybe for
a ballgame. I do enjoy a good ballgame, but a
ballgame into a play. Those are the only reasons that'll
take me downtown. And I probably and maybe I'll eat
while I'm downtown, but I mean that's taken me downtown
once or twice a year. If that, I I'm gonna

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I'm gonna keep it local. Do you have any desire
to go downtown? And have you ever read it? I
guess another thing I would ask is headlines that make
you go duh? Sixteenth Street safety key to Rebound. Yeah,
that's a headline that would make you go duh.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
We are, after all.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Ranked the second most dangerous state by US News and
World Report of where would you go to eat? Where
would you not go to eat? I think is another question.
I'm not going to eat somewhere if I have to
pay for parking. Yeah, okay, I'm getting a little old.
I'm getting a little crotchety. And uh, that's what it
comes down to. I'm not all that worried about safety.

(25:53):
I don't know why. As somebody who's had death threats,
you think I would probably be a little warm safety conscious.
And I've been to I've been to about forty countries
around the world. I'm counting airports, and I might even
count I was in I was asleep on the train

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through Austria. I probably shouldn't count that one. But I'm
too old to be a purist. I'm too old to
be like, well, no, you can't count airports. I had
an impanada at that Panama airport, so I get to
count Panama. That was a good empanada. But I've been
to places like Pakistan, Egypt, so I've been to some

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tough places, and probably Pakistan being the toughest of the
places that I've been to. And I had to take
some precautions to be there because it was during an
Islamist uprising and they don't get a lot of tourists.
So I dyed my hair, I dressed the part covered
my hair, you know, keep it on the safe side.

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But I met a lot of delightful people, a lot
of great Pakistani people, learned some fun learn some fun
things in the language. But and the food is the best,
think Indian food with more spices and more meat. Like
I went to a dinner in which three meat dishes,

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one vegetable and bread. And I love vegetables, don't get
me wrong. But it was like an It was like
a meditarian's. The light and the food was smoke, it hot.
It was just lots of peppers delicious. So there's good
things about Pakistan too, But it is a rough place.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
It is a dangerous place, and.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
I think once you go to places like that, Sixteenth
Street doesn't look all that dangerous to me, but I
know that it is a top concern for other people.
And they're thinking, I'm not going. I'm not going downtown.
Would you go downtown? Oh? This is cute.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Somebody just said, saw you yesterday.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
I do. I sell things that Parker's Farmer's Market and
other markets around the state, and yeah, I think I
know who you are. Did you come by and say hi?
I hope so, I hope you came by and said hi.
This person said Sixteenth Street is a one hundred percent No, yeah,

(28:10):
I do. I want to.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
The prices are high.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
I'm not in I'm not into being around people. And
this might sound cruel, but I'm not around being around vagrants.
People are gonna beg me for money. I don't want that.
I feel bad for these folks. I've given money to
the Denver Rescue Mission. I've volunteered a couple of times
as well.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
People who are ready to get their life back.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
I have a lot of friends that are recovering alcoholics,
recovering drug addicts. When you're ready and you're all in
and you're you know, you're at the shelter and you're
you're about to start a new life, I am one
hundred percent behind you. Whether it's with as they just
call themselves step thirteen. I think they just call themselves
step now, stepped then for rescue mission other places.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
People who are ready to make a new life.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Gets so get a job, I've learned skills, get some
mental health care. I am all for you. I've got
your back. But if you're out there begging for cash,
you know, peeing in the street, I don't need to
see that. And I can go to down downtown if
you will, Parker, Littleton, Golden other parts throughout the Denver

(29:25):
metro area or Colorado Spings metro area, wherever I want
to go, not have to pay for parking or pay
very little for parking, not have to worry about having
my purse swiped, not have to worry about having somebody
beg me for money, and not having to worry about
somebody not wearing pants. And I didn't just make that up.

(29:46):
It was a pants pants optional, pants free and it wasn't, Shannon, Well, like,
wasn't the last time I was downtown. I was driving
some I think I was driving to the Channel twelve studio.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
I do Colorado inside out.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
I kid you not. There was a guy with no
pants on, and I hate to say it, no underwear
on either, And yeah, no underwear, no pants. I'm just
very glad he was facing the opposite direction that said I.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Saw more than I wanted to see. And I don't
need that.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
I need I need everywhere I go to be a
pants on, pants on situation.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
When it's pants optional, I'm out.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
And there are parts of downtown where it is, apparently
for some folks little pants optional. And you've got folks that,
you know, whether it's peeing or doing other stuff or
just being pants free. I don't need that. I don't
need that at all. So I'm not doing downtown. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry,

(30:51):
Mayor Johnston. We could rename it sixteenth Street. It's still
not going. Oh good to somebody saying downtown are Vada
or old town Alavada.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
That is a very charming place. I agree.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Another person texted in said Denver is pushing public transit
and discouraging personal cars I'm tired of wasting time driving
around looking for a parking space, paying to park, to
go over to an overpriced restaurant. Amen, I can't do it.
I had the most delicious Italian dinner up on It's

(31:28):
called Pinos Place on Hampton. So we're talking Swedish hospital area.
A glass of wine, heavenly calzone like for twenty bucks.
Or you can go even better, go to Romano's in Littleton.
You can get a glass of wine, maybe two glasses
of wine because they're like five bucks each and they're

(31:50):
in a main dish and walk out of their twenty bucks.
Why not do that? Not pay for parking, not have
to see somebody with no pants on, have a great meal,
have a great time. That's to me, that's the way
to go. That's why I don't go downtown unless I'm
going to a play or a ballgame, I'm not gonna
do it. I'm gonna hit someplace like old town Neravada, Littleton, Parker, say,

(32:16):
downtown Calselerocks small but really nice. Yeah, Amen, downtown Cassele
Rock is super cute, and that some good restaurants and
also some really great little shops. And not paying I'm cheap.
I don't want to pay a lot for a lot
of things, so I'm gonna I want a cute, quaint
boutique where they're not they're not overcharging me and runsom

(32:39):
more expensive on sixteenth.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
They got to charge a lot of money, but they're
also going to lose a customer like me. This person says,
a big note to sixteenth Street, no matter what they
call it, just downtown there with my family. The moment
we stepped foot on sixteenth, we were confronted by a
man asking for money, saying he was homeless. Y had
on what looked like brand new clothes and shoes that

(33:03):
were probably two hundred bucks, opening up a brand new
pack of cigarettes as he asked for money.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
No thanks again.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
If you are ready to have recovery and you're at
the Denver Rescue Mission or at STEP or some other
shelter where you're getting it together and you're doing a
new life, I've got your back. I am happy for you,
happy to make a donation.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
To a place like that have in the past.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
But if you're baking money, you're not getting a cent
from me, and I would encourage you do not need
the vagrants all you're doing is enabling people to continue
to live in that lifestyle, a lifestyle you wouldn't pick
for yourself, you wouldn't pick it for your kids, you
wouldn't even pick it for your enemies. So do not
give vagrants money. Just don't do it, because it's going

(33:49):
to keep them out of recovery, out of doing what
they need to do to make a new life. I'm
just going to keep them on the street. And I
you know, don't don't bring food, don't bring brand new clothes.
Give money to places like the Denver Rescue Mission that
who have an open door to anyone who is ready
to make a new life.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
And that's it. That is my what do you call it?

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Public service announcement for the day? I gotta go.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
I'm getting a signal. This is Krista Kaifer.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
I am sitting in for Ross Kaminski and you are
listening to the most awesome station Kahaway. This is Krista Gayfer.
I'm seven in for ros for the day, and I've
got Dragon behind the glass. There's nothing wrong with you,
I guess, so ROSSI Rosita, Yeah, this is Rosita.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Uh. If you're just tuning in, you're like, I've never
heard of Christa Kafer. I'm actually a Sunday Denver Coast
columnist and I'm sometimes on Colorado Inside Out with Channel twelve.
Been a radio host off and on last ten years
or so. And here's a little fun fact. Ross and
I actually got our start in radio at the same.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Time and it was a we all.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
We owe everything to John Andrews, who is this fantastic
human being who he started the Independence Institute. He started
at the Centennial Institute. He's been a legislator, I think
he ran for governor. He's done so many things in
his life and kind of the backbone of conservative conservativism

(35:20):
in Colorado.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
And he got he.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Used to have Ross or you know, Ross or I
and some others on the radio with him when he
had his Sunday night show. And then Ross and I
were both like, you would kind of like this radio thing,
and so we both had our own shows at different times.
And so it's it's great to be here. I've got
I'm on Twitter at Christa k For. I also have
a sub stack where I republish my columns and so yeah,

(35:45):
you can check me out there. It's uh, it's great
to hear from you on the text line five six
six Ninezer, Just this is so sweet. Somebody just said,
I just tuned in. I've been thinking about you, hoping
you would be filling in a love your perspective, and
that made my day. I've gotten some really nice comments.
I got a couple of not nice comments. But here's
the thing. I live with chronic pain. I've lost a

(36:08):
lot in my life. I uh, I don't care. It's
kind of like so there's another fun. I love animals.
I've handled a lot of animals. I've been bitten by
every kind of animal practically, like a camel, a horse,
a spider, a snake, a bird. And I actually no
fear of being bitten because I've been bitten so much,

(36:28):
and I have no fear of loss.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Take it from me. I don't care. I do not care.
I do not have time.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
To to fear the haters. And I'm willing to say
stuff people doesn't want. People don't want to hear, which
makes me unusual for a talk shows.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
And so if you're a little bit of a pussy.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Cat and you don't like to hear things you don't
agree with, you might want to tune out now. Because
I can guarantee, uh, something's going to be said. If
you're of these insitive type, you might, uh you might
take a little umbrage and uh.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Have to you know, cry a little. So you know,
I'll do yourself a favor and.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Tune into I don't know, smooth jazz, something something, you know,
something to just kind of chill out a little bit. Also,
you know what doesn't hurt to take xanax? You know,
if if angers your issue. I don't want to get
in the way of that though.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
So we talked a little bit earlier about.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Bolder and uh what happened in Bolder absolutely tragic. Pray
for those in the hospital for their recovery. Talked a
little bit about headlines that make you go duh. Also,
before I move on to something else, do you want
to give a shout out to Carl's Canine Companions. It
is a place and that's it's not k K. It's

(37:53):
k c K folks that I started fostering dog fosterring
dogs with. They're down in Colorado Springs and sorry I
got it wrong. Carl's Canine Crewe K for Carl K
for Crewe, named after a wonderful man who fostered a

(38:14):
lot of dogs, a decorated veteran who's no longer with us.
And if you're thinking, hey, I don't want to own
a dog yet, and I'm kind of thinking that myself.
I'd lost my best friend a couple of years ago.
IM not ready to own, but am ready to help.
They're always looking for foster's and they've got a great
website you can learn all about them.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
And my little foster girl.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
She's as ugly I would say ugly, cute or cute ugly.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
She's adorable. She'll be ready for adoption.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
I'll have some social media on her probably in another
week or so. We're doing a little training right now,
and you might just be like, hey, I've always wanted
a pit Caata Hula mix.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Kind of an unusual mix.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Cata Hula hounds are the state hound of Louisiana, and
they're rote are they're good hunting dogs and mixed with
pitt and mixed for a like the ultimate snuggle hound.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
She's just a cutie.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
So you're looking for a dog, you're looking to maybe
foster a dog, you're looking to volunteer with somebody. They're
out of Colorado Springs and yeah, check them out. I said,
you know what, I said, I'm going to give you
a shout out. And uh, they're not paying me for this.
I'm just giving them a shout out. So I did
promise that we would maybe stay on the lighter side,

(39:31):
you know, swim over to the shell or end of
the pool for a little bit, because early in the
show we talked about what happened in Boulder, and we
can always get back to that. But that is that
is some heavy stuff I want to talk about. Uh
the uh, the dumbgerous awards. It's a column of mine,
a couple of columns back in the Denver Post. Also

(39:53):
republished on my substack account for free if you want
to check it out, although you also want to subscribe,
I could be you'll get some gratitude. I love my
subscribers and subscribery. But you can also you can give me.
You can give me a little cash too. I'm not
going to say no to that. But I gave on
some dumbgerous awards, and I got to say that there

(40:15):
were more dumbgerous awards going to the left and the right.
That doesn't mean that the right can't catch up. Doesn't
mean we can't see more dumb and dangerous coming from
the right side of the spectrum, but right now the
left has it. These are things that are dumb and dangerous.
Hence dumbgerous, a word that I did not invent my

(40:36):
young thirteen year old friend did. I want it adopted, though,
I want to start hearing dumgerous. It needs to become
a word because when it comes to politicians, there's a
lot of dumbgerous. Not just dumb, we can expect that,
but also dumb with consequences, Hence dumbgerous, dumb and dangerous, dumbgerous.

(40:59):
So I gave out some dumb um Jurius awards because
these are things that are bad ideas with bad repercussions.
And maybe you've got a few dumbderous awards that you'd like.
You can give me a text at five six six nine. Oh,
I'd love to hear from you, but I'm going to
give im gonna give I think the number one dumb

(41:19):
Jurius Award goes to Boulder Valley Health Center. Now, granted
they canceled this, uh, but I I think we're going
to see it again next year, probably gonna see it
the year after. We're gonna see it until there isn't
a public outcry, and then they're going to see if
they can get away with it. They tried to do,

(41:40):
I kid you, not a sex ed camp like a
summer camp for you know, ten through thirteen year olds kids,
A sex camp. Now, they weren't going to be like
having sex, it's not that bad, but a sex ed
camp in which this uh, if you don't know Boulder

(42:01):
Valley Health Centers, it's an abortion clinic. This is I
think they're a way of grooming new customers for their
services at a very young age.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
These are these are.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Kids their sex had summer camp for incoming fifth through
eighth graders was supposed to happen this July. And my
thought is, you know, I guess what canoeing is out? Uh,
learning to make s'mores, learning to make a campfire, learning
to do you know, wood crafts like what that's out?

(42:32):
And for two weeks they would have had these kids
on the CU Boulder campus teaching them about and I'm
going to quote here these aren't my words, these are
their words, their dumbgerous words. Gender and sexuality. Media related
to sex porn is that's your way of saying porn uh,

(42:55):
sexy feelings and pleasure. They were going to do this
for two weeks with fifth through eighth grade kids. Now
luckily there was an outcry and so they canceled it.
They still get the Dumbgerous Award, the number one Dumbgerous Award.
I'll say, but I have I have every faith they're

(43:18):
going to try to do this again next year. Yeah,
that's how bad the idea is. We're gonna hit a
break now. If you've got some ideas for Dumbgerous Awards,
I'd love to hear from you. You can text me
at five six sixth nine. Oh and we'll back in
a jiff. You're listening to eight fifty koa the Ross
Kaminski Show Dumbgerous Awards.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
So got some.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Good contenders coming in on the text line at five
six sixth nine. Oh and I was gonna say real quickly.
I got to meet Peyton Manning once. Just kind of
fun to hear his voice. He is as nice as
you think he would be based on the interviews. He's
just a really nice person. Yeah, he's a good man
through and through. So yeah, pretty cool. So this person

(44:02):
Texans says, nice to hear you again. Word ideas, any
tourist that goes to a historical place or monument or
national park and vandalizes, Yes, not only should that person
be arrested, they.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Ought to be, They had to should have to pay
to fix whatever they broke.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
You know you don't like Columbus, Okay, don't go to
the statue, don't go to a different statue. Go find
something you do like and hang out with it. Columbus
did a great thing, and I'm not saying he was perfect.
I'm not saying that the Columbian Exchange didn't have tragic,
deeply tragic consequences for the people who were living here.

(44:43):
But it is. It's made the modern world today. And
he was the first guy, apart from you know, the
first guy in the modern age to make that you know,
to sail that ocean.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Uh, you know, with the.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Vikings had done it a little earlier, and of course
people came over the land bridge even earlier than that.
But what he did was historic. And if you don't
like the statue, don't look at it all right, other
dumbgerous awards, I'd also like to give a dumbgerious award
to the legislature as a whole, and just the Democrats
actually in the legislature for a bill that I think

(45:19):
is a very very bad idea, a dumb idea, and
a dumbgerous idea as well. And that's HB thirteen twelve,
which makes it illegal to quote unquote misgender someone or
use their old name.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Already, it's in the courts. There's already been a.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Lawsuit, as I predicted a couple of weeks before in
my column giving out the dumbgerous awards that you can't
you know, if a guy is a guy, even if
he addresses as a woman or identifies as a woman
and has you know, I feel sad. That's a mental illness.
I I if I say it's he'sy he and the

(46:01):
state takes me to task, I'm going to sue because
biology matters.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
And here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Some people believe that gender is different than biological sex
and that you get to choose your gender. Now, thanks
to legislation that Jared Poulis has signed, we get to
as we get to pay for that those surgeries. If
you have insurance, your insurance is now required to cover

(46:31):
facial surgery, cosmetic surgery, genital surgery, other things for those
who wish to identify as a sex that they are not.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
I'm a little resentful of that.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
If I have to pay for some guy's eyebrow lift,
how come I don't get my botox covered because I
am identifying as forty three and I'm older than that biologically,
I am in my fifties. I identify as someone in her
with the help of botox and hair dye. And frankly,
if a man can identify as a woman and get

(47:08):
his stuff paid for.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
You mind if I throw this out as a little
bit of a selfish reason, Yeah, would you be more
willing to pay for somebody who has lost over one
hundred and fifty pounds and has a ton of excess
skin and would love to get that removed?

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Actually, I'm I'm actually for that, okay, because it takes
a lot to get that done, the weight loss surgery,
or isn't It doesn't just do it, You actually have
to have you have to start a new life. It's
like kind of like, uh, you know, bankruptcy. It's not
that you get a new you get a fresh start,

(47:44):
but then you have to live differently after that. Financially,
same goes for those who have had bariatric surgery. They
now have to live a different life and they've done it,
and I think that's a wonderful, wonderful thing.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
What about somebody who's used the shots, so that's quote
quote unquote easier. But you're once you're off of the shots,
you're kind of back to normal the way I understand it,
you can.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
If you can, I think, if you can maintain and
show that you've you know, you've gone a different direction.
Just like I'm for somebody who's decided to get sober
and might need some financial support and whatever medically might
be necessary there.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
I don't I can't think of anything but.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
That extra skin is not healthy, and I don't think
i'd have a problem with somebody I think get removed. Right.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
It is a little irritating because I am that example
for those that may be listening. They don't know I
have lost over one hundred and fifty pounds and I
do have a ton of excess Scott No, but it
is it is irritating hearing that, you know, hey, everybody's
now going to have to pay for and chip in
for these surgeries. For people who think they are something
that they aren't biologically. Now you can go ahead and

(48:53):
pretend to be something you aren't. I have no problem
with that whatsoever. But once I start the bill for you, yes,
that's why I start to get a little bit upset,
because selfishly, I could go for some of that fundage
for somebody who's lost over one hundred and fifty pounds
and kept it off for almost five years now.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
But just it stings a little bit.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
It's like, oh, okay, even more so than my botox example,
because obviously that's cosmetic. You actually have a bonafide health
reason to have that skin removed.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
You've done the hard work, you're living a different life.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
I'm all for that as opposed to somebody who says,
I'm male, I want to live as a woman. You
need to pay for that surgery yourself, just as I
need to pay for my own botox. I am not
forty three. I just want to look that way. We're
gonna take a little break. But I think this is
an interesting subject of what we should have to pay
for and the fact that if a man wants to

(49:55):
live as a woman or a woman wants to live
as a man. I'm not opposed to that. What I
am opposed to is I don't want to share a
restroom with an intact mail. I don't want to pay
for your surgeries. I don't want to compete with you
in sports. I'm not competing now, but I have a
niece that does compete in lacrosse. I don't want boys.

(50:18):
I don't want to competing against boys who live as girls.
There are you can live as the way you want
to live, but I should not have to bear the
consequences of that life choice. So with that, let's take
a quick break. When we get back, I behunch you
might want to comment on this five six, six, nine,
Oh that you're listening to the Ross Kaminski Show.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Christi Kaefer filling in on eight fifty.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Great to have you a great day. Have you listening.
I've gotten some very nice just some nice text saying, hey,
great show, thanks for filling in. Don't worry Ross, We'll
be back, be back soon. And we're talking about the
Dumbgerous Awards. These are things that are both dumb and dangerous,
and so I think they they deserve a shout out,

(51:02):
if you will. It's not a not a good shout out.
It's a you dumbass kind of a thing. But anyway,
I gave one to the abortion clinic. And also see
you bolder that decided to do a sex ed camp

(51:24):
for fifth through eighth graders. Thanks to outrage, it got
shot down and they decided not to do it, but
rest assured. I think we will see it again in
the future. Also, the bill thirteen twelve that said that
we cannot miss gender people without running a foul of
the law. There's already been a lawsuit there. And also

(51:48):
I didn't put this one in the column, but the
legislation that now makes us pay for sex changes and
cosmetic surgeries that go along with it. I'm not saying
gender affirming care because I don't believe you can change
your gender. I know some people do, and I'm not
going to tell you what to think. I believe that
gender is based on biology. If you're biologically male or

(52:09):
biologically female, that is your gender. You can identify as
something else. I'm not going to tell you what to do,
but I don't need to support it through my insurance.
That stuff costs money. If you have to pay, if
I have to pay for your eyebrow lift, you need
to be panned for my botox because I identify as

(52:29):
a younger woman and yeah, botox and haird eyes. So
if you have to pay, if I had to pay
for your cosmetic surgery to look like something that you're not,
I think you ought to be panned for something that
I'm not, which is a younger woman. Another reward, I
like to give a little shout out to the Colorado
Supreme Court. It was a divided decision, but they decided

(52:51):
to allow the City and County of Boulder to go
through with a ridiculous lawsuit. So this ridiculous lawsuit is
costing not only taxpayers who pay for the courts. Also,
if you are unfortunate to live in the City and
County of Boulder, you're paying for this as well. And

(53:13):
that is their decision to sue sun Core and Exxon Mobile,
accusing them of causing global warming and harming the City
and County of Boulder. Now the lawyers that I have
no doubt they drove their cars to the courthouse. Okay,

(53:33):
I'm sure they run their I'm sure electricity.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Runs their house. They're probably not living in a cave.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
All of us are using fossil fuels to one degree
or another to run our lives. And here's the other
little secret. If you can sue a secret exactly. But
if you can sue suncre and Exxon Mobile for global warming,
why can't you sue every single human being, every single

(54:04):
animal for breathing? After all, every time I breathe out,
I am breathing out carbon dioxide. So not only do
I use fossil fuels in the heating and cooling of
my house, my car, everything that I you know, eat, drink,
everything I do is powered in part by things that

(54:27):
sun Core and Exxon Mobile make. Why not sue us?
It seems to me that if you can sue them,
why ready to draw the line. You can sue anybody. Heck,
you can even sue plants. Now, plants also produce oxygen,
but they also have cellular respiration. They use a little
bit of that to you know, to live, So you

(54:51):
could sew everyone. You could sue the dead because as
the dead decompose is what they put off carbon dioxide.
Plants which take in carbon dioxide and you know, make
branches and leaves and whatnot. When they decompose, guess what
they produce. They produce carbon dioxide. In some contexts, they

(55:12):
produce methane, another fossil fuel. So yeah, sue your local tree,
don't hug your tree, sue it. Yeah, that that's boulder
for you. So I'm gonna give the court a dumgerous
award for that. I'm going to give a dumbgerous award
for the for the uh uh, you know, the misgendering bill,

(55:37):
a dungerous award for the sex ed camp, and another
dumbdrous award. And this legislation didn't actually get signed into law,
but they wanted to the legislature, not the whole legislature,
but a number of legislators wanted to put wanted to
force gas stations to put global warming warning stickers Warming

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warning stickers on on all of the gas pumps, with
the hope that as you were gassing up your car,
you would see the warning, become freaked out, and then
go right to the I guess, right to the auto
store and get yourself a prius. I you know, I
usually drive around with sixty thousand dollars on me just

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in case I need to buy an electric car. I
have no doubt that if I saw that warning, I
would become alarmed and I would suddenly be like, oh,
I need to get I need to get a different car.
I need to exchange my car for a uh uh a,
you know, one of these electric cars. And I got

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to do it now. Yeah, I don't think so. And
I'm certainly not going to take the bus. I'm not
against bus travel, but I I figured out if I
for one of the colleges that I occasionally teach at,
I figured out I would be on the bus or
in you know, the very infrequently used light rail. It

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would take me about two and a half hours each
way to get to that college. Yeah, that's how much
it would take if I were to decide because of
the warning labels, that I should not be driving my car. Fortunately,
common sense prevailed and that legislation did not become law. Yeah,

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you can count on dumbgerous ideas coming out of the courts,
coming out of the legislature. If you live in a
blue state, It's just the way it is. And one
final dumbgerous award, of course, you can catch all of this.
I republished my column on my substack, and you could
also go on the Denver Post web page or app

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and pick it up there. I'm gonna have to give
this to Phil Wiser. This is our attorney general here
in Colorado. He and a bunch of other blue state
attorneys general decided that they are going to sue the
Trump administration because the Trump administration did a temporary pause

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on new permits for wind turbines on federal land. But
if you were to read the lawsuit, it sounds like
that they think the Trump administration is like getting rid
of all wind power.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
No, that's that's not what the executive order did.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
The executive order simply said, temporary pause new permits on
federal land. How many how many wind turbines do you
think are actually on What percentage do you think is
actually on federal lands? It turns it's very very low.
I can't remember the exact I looked it up. It's
like five percent. Most the vast majority of wind turbines

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are on private land, or they're on state or county land.
So this executive order does not tie any of those,
none of those doesn't touch any of the wind turbines
on federal land that are already permitted. Is just new permits.
But if you were to read this very silly, h

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exaggerating lawsuit, that our own Phil Wiser signed on to.
It says that Trump is quote jeopardizing the continued development
of a power source critical. I put a little more
drama in this.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
Jeopardizing the continued development of a power source critical to
the state's economic vitality, energy mix, public health, and climate goals.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
It's it doesn't It doesn't do that.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
It's a tiny percentage of you know, wind facilities seeking
new permits on federal land. It is not going to
jeopardize the development of a power source. It is not
going to jeopardize the economic vitality. It is not going
to stop Colorado from meeting its climate goals. If you

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have the misfortune to have to read the lawsuit, which
I did for another project.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
It'll be like who wrote this? See, I'm going to
have to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Give a dumbgerous award to phil Wiser as well. Those
are those are the dumbgerous awards. Nice job legislature, Nice job,
A nice job Phil Wiser, Nice job Jared Poulas for
signing these things. Just yeah, nice job. A couple of
texts coming in five six six, n I know this
person just confirmed what I say, which is most turbines

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are on private land or state lands, and landowners get
compensation for the use of the land.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
That is it. Most of them are not on federal land.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
And they actually are a nice source of income for
farmers and ranchers.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
I'm not against wind power at all.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
The thing about wind power, the wind turbines are unsightly.
I don't think we need to have them up against
a beautiful mountain vista. Secondly, they kill a lot of
bats and a lot of birds, something like a half
a million birds half a million bats every year, so
you cannot have them in a migration path. You need

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to have them somewhere where there's not a lot of birds,
not a lot of bats. It's not blocking a pretty view.
Then I don't have a problem with them. It's a
good source of power. I love the fact that ranchers
and farmers can make a little extra money on their land.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
I think it's all good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
It's not. However, it's not like you know, the hope
of the future. It is simply a power source. And
like all other power sources, including coal, natural gas, including geothermal,
whatever power source you throw out there, there's going to

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be some good and there's going to be some bad.
I'm glad we're getting away from coal. Coal releases a
lot of carbon dioxide.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
I think it's good to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Get away from that, better to embrace things like geothermal,
natural gas, nuclear wind, while also acknowledging the fact that none.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Of these are like, you know, gifts from heaven.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
You know, unicorn, a unicorn from heaven that's going to
save us. I don't know how a unicorn would actually
save us. But all of them have a downside. All
of them have something that you know, side effects, consequences,
things that have.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
To be mitigated one way or the other.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
And that's true for wind, it's true for hydropower, it's
true for nuclear power, it's true for all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Of these things.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
So acting as though any of them is going to
be this wonderful, pure consequence free power source, it's not
acting like it's going to, you know, bring about the
end of the world. Either, going to an energy mix
which is more reliable, more reliant on renewables, including I
think we got to add nuclear into that mix. I

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think we're going to be better off. Less carbon dioxide
overall is a good thing. We can better move in
that direction if we you know, we just don't do
the exaggeration thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
And we don't do the hyperbole.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
We don't act like everything is the end of the world,
because I tell you what, for someone like me, somebody
on the nerdier side. Exaggeration, hyperbole, weeping, the clutching of pearls,
all of these things make me less likely to take
one seriously. You want me to take you seriously. Just

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lay it out, say hey, we'd like to have some
wind power in this area. We think it would be
a great way to great power source. We don't have
a lot of birds or bats. We can compensate these farmers.
It can be a good thing. Hey, I'm all in.
Tell me that it is the you know, it's the
same thing. It's going to save our state from eventual doom,

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and that we're going to you know, sue Exxon Mobile.
I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. At the minute you
go down the path of exaggeration, doom and gloom, the
clutching of pearls, I'm out. Simply be a little more
common sensical, a little more straightforward. Otherwise you're gonna get
a dumgerous award from me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
And that is the way it is. Let's see, this
person says.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Did you read the slanted article in today's Denver Post
about the loss of tax subsidies for renewables. I gotta
admit I glanced at it. Oh, one of my favorite
people just popped in and you and got me, so
I'm gonna read it. This came in from the White
House saying, and this is very this is good. Okay,

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I got a break from our subject. We will return
to dunderous awards. Goathy just handed me this from the
newsroom White House saying, yeah, yesterday's horrific attack in Boulder,
Colorado will not be tolerated in the United States.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
This from President Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
He came through Biden's ridiculous open border policy, which has
hurt our country so badly. He will go out under
the Trump policy. I have no doubt of that, although
he will hopefully serve a prison term. First acts of
terrorism will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
This is yet another example of why we must keep
border secure, deport illegal anti American radicals from our homeland.

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My heart goes out to the victims of the terrible
tragedy and the great people of Boulder, Colorado. Thank you,
President Trump. I will quibble only with one thing. This
guy was a visa overstayer. People do and have overstayed
visas for as long as I can remember. I've had
friends that have overstayed visas in other countries, and I've

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known people who have overstayed visas here. It is not
exclusively a Biden thing, although Biden's border policy was read
ridiculously open. And I think some of what President Trump
is doing to send people back to their homes, I
say some. I think you've got to have due process.

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We all have due process. You got to follow it.
If you follow due process, sending people back home is
a good thing. And this person who has overstated his
visa from Egypt, who then committed a terrorist attack in Boulder,
I hope he serves a prison term. I hope that
term is lengthy, and then I hope he goes back

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to his country of origin with no possibility of ever
coming back here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Thank you, Kathy for popping that in here.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
And excuse I know it sounds like I was in
a subject, I went over to another subject, and I'm
back to this subject. I want to finish off before
we hit hit the top. It's there at the bottom
of the hour in two minutes. I appreciate this person saying,
did you read the slanted article in today's Denver Post
about the loss of tax subsidies for renewables. I glanced

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at it, and yeah, here's the thing. Somebody said, uh
the Denver Post, Uh, you know, saying oh, we got
to have these tax subsidies. You know, renewables can stand
on their own. I don't think any of these power sources,
be it wind, be it hydro, be it nuclear, nothing

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needs tax subsidies. You can stand on your own. You
are economically viable. The end of those tax subsease. Thank you,
Donald Trump is a good thing. This person here says, wonderful,
you are so wonderful to listen to. Hey, thanks for
the text. I really appreciate it. And uh yeah, I
have a sub for Ross or Mandy in a while.

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So I appreciate all the all of the encouragement. It
has been wonderful. I've got one more minute on this hour.
Let's talk about something coming up in the new hour,
and that is a I what artificial intelligence can it
rewrite its own code to do something it's not supposed

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to do. I will have an answer for that when
we get back. You are listening to Christa Kaefer Dragging
behind the Glass. This is the Ross Kaminski Show, and
you're listening to KOA eight fifty. This is Christa Kaefer.
I'm subbing it, and if you are just tuning in,
here's a little bit about me. I am a Denver
Post columnist and have done radio off and on for

(01:08:30):
the last ten years. I'm also on TV periodically Colorado
Inside Out on Channel twelve, and do some other stuff.
You want to check out my writing, I'm at the
Denver Post, but you can also go to my substack.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I know, I don't even know why they call it substack.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
So like a weird, a weird thing to name a
place where you can self publish. But substack dot com
go to Christa Kaefer and you can pick up my
columns there as well. I'm on Twitter at at Christa Kaefer,
and that's gonna say about myself. I let's say high end.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Forty languages. It's kind of cool. I can juggle.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
I just started fostering dogs. I've got a little little
pumpkin at my house. She's a catahula pit mix adorable.
Get some social media out on her. A little later.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
We're doing a little trading right now.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
But can you rub your stomach and pat your head
at the same time?

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Sometimes sometimes sometimes only after a couple of drinks.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Yeah, Carl's Canine Crew, that's K C. K Carl. It's
named after a decorated, decorated veteran who's no longer with us.
But it's a great place to foster. They are at
of Colorado Springs. If you're within sixty miles of Colorado Springs,
you can foster dogs there too. They don't there's no
fostering of cats, just dogs. And they're very organized, that's

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what I like about them. And you can get everything
you need to foster the dog food and i'll collar
and a bed and all that jazz. And they also
can volunteer to help out in other ways. And of
course they're also looking for people to adopt dogs. Fostering
is it's kind of a waystation onto the forever home.
As f you are forever home. And this little gal,

(01:10:12):
her name's Mocha. I will get her a get her
a forever home soon enough. So talking about a bunch
of different things, and I do want to I did
tease that story about Ai.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
That's artificial intelligence.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Can it start to rewrite its own code and do
its own thing? Uh, yeah, it turns out it can
a little spooky. We're gonna get to that a little
bit later on in the hour. That's from an article
in the Wall Street Journal. But I did, I did
want to be kind of swimming on the more shallow
end of the pool. Uh, you know, move back over

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to the deep end of the pool and just give
a little update on the terror attack in Boulder. I
gott even give you a little warning though. My opinion
on these things is a little more complex than some folks.
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Some people don't like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
To hear complexity, and they certainly don't want to hear
stuff they don't agree with.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
And uh, if.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
You're that kind of a person, if you're a little
bit of a pussy cat, yeah, you might want to
turn it off now, just because I might say something
you don't agree with. I I read Trump's statement.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
I appreciate him weighing in on.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
What happened this weekend in which a terrorist I'm gonna
call him that. Anytime you make a makeshift flamethrower and
some Molotov cocktails and throw it at innocent people, who
are out marching for any kind of opinion. I don't
care what it is. I don't care. If it's something
I disagree with, agree with, I don't care. I'm a
big pro lifer. You want to have a planned parenthood,

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you know, mar March for abortion or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
That's your opinion. You have a right to that opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
You have a right to safety in communicating that opinion,
even if it's an opinion I don't agree with. And
in this case, you've got people out there doing it's
called run for their lives. They walk to a run
or walk in Boulder every week, and it's in support
of releasing the hostages that were taken by Hamas since

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October fifteenth. That was back in October fifteenth, twenty twenty three,
when they attacked, when they went over the border, attacked
innocent people, murdered a number of It was like fifteen
hundred Israelis took a whole bunch of hostages. Some have
been released. There are fifty eight hostages still being held.

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I have no doubt being abused by Hamas in Gaza
as we speak. Hamas is an evil entity. They have
killed a lot of people. They are radicalized, evil people
that do not believe in the right to life, the
right to the lived one's life to Yeah, they and

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this individual radicalized person Egyptian national named Mohammed Sabury Solomon,
forty five years old, living in this country illegal. He's
a visa overstayer. There are a lot of different ways
to come to this country illegally. You can obviously come
over the border, but you can be a visa overstayer,
which means that you had permission to come here. When
your permission was over, you did not go back home.

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I've known people who have overstayed visas. I've also known
Americans who have overstayed their visas in other countries.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
In each case they did.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
The guy kicked out. I know, somebody kicked out of England,
somebody who's kicked out of Germany. Yeah, you know, that's
what happens is you got to go home now. I
do think there needs to be due process. I think
that's where I differ with the Trumpe administ in that
if you are going to be sent back, it should

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be there. There needs to be due process, needs to
be a court involved to hear your case.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
And that is especially.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
True for students who are having their visas revoked and
are being sent back simply for having opinions that are
contrary to the administration. I think that is that is wrong.
And if you can deny due process to people who
are not Americans, how much how long is it before
you deny due process to Americans?

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
And for those.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Of you out there who are Trump supporters, you have
every right to be a Trump supporter. But I will
just throw this out there to think about, and that is,
if precedents can be set by an administration, that means
that the next administration and like it or not, could
be a Democrat, could be a be a liberal Democrat,
could be a charismatic liberal Democrat like a President Obama,

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who will then take that new precedent, that new way
of doing things, and do it against you or against
people you disagree with. Just a thought.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
You got to stick with the constitution. We've got to
stay within the lines.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
So we have this terrorist in Boulder who has been arrested.
We have eight people were who are now hospitalized with burns.
Pray for them, Pray that they will be healed, get
better and be released.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Pray for the hostages.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
And I know everybody you know there's a lot of
different people out there, people of different faith traditions.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Maybe you know you're not a person of faith.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Prayers not your thing, but if it is, these are
things I think if you're of a tradition where prayer
is a part of that tradition, pray for the return
of the hostages, and especially pray for the end to war.
Some fifty four thousand people have died in Gaza. Some
of them are terrorists, some of them are Hamas people.
I don't have any sympathy for their deaths, but a

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large percentage of those people were civilians, in part because
Hamas hides among civilian populations.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
But there are children.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
And women and men who are not terrorists, who are
not part of Hamas who have died or who are injured.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
They's starvation. There's a lot of bad things happening.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Bad things happening because Hamas started this, but bad things nonetheless.
And an end to war and peace between Israel and Palestine.
That's something that I pray for. You don't have to
not your thing, that's fine. I would love to see
a peaceful two state solution in which Palestinians and Israelis

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live in peace and I know there's people out there
who are saying, hey, it's never going to happen. You know,
you never know. We're friends with England and we're friends
with Germany. There was a time we were at war with
both of those countries. There was a time when there
was violence between Native Americans and European Americans of European descent.

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War that kind of like between Palestine and Israel, war
in which there was casualties on both sides and people
died and it was tragic. That has since ended. There
is now peace. There is now peace and prosperity still
obviously not perfect. Still poverty on some of the reservations, still,

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you know, some prejudice, but by and large, things are
much better than they were twenty five years ago, fifty
years ago, one hundred years ago. We can hope that
things are better ultimately for that region of the world.
I've been to that region. That's perhaps why I have
some passion about it. I have lots of Jewish friends,

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I also have Arab friends. I've been in that part
of the world, and I can honestly say this is
where I might be the some people out there probably
not having it. I love Israelis. I love Arabs, I
love Palestinians. I love Jewish Israelis. I love Arab Israelis.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
I love.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Palestinians, Christian Muslim. I don't love people who commit violence. Obviously,
I hate Hamas, but I want to see peace. I
want to see people.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Living side by side, trading, working together. I want to
see peace.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
And I chue all prejudice against Jews or Arabs. And
technically that's what anti Semitism is because Semitic peoples, Arabs.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
And Jews both Semitic peoples.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
So all right, I'm getting off the soapbox because I'm
going to I'm going to a break, but i'd love
to have your comments.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Five six six nine O taking a break back.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Shortly. You're listening to the Roskaminski Show. We got some
really great texts coming in. Number one. I did get
the date wrong from when a Hamas attacked Israel took
the hostages. I said October fifteenth, it's actually October seventh.
Take thank you to those who made sure to let
me know that I appreciate it. Another person says, sure,

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Hamas killed fourteen hundred people, but fifty six thousand have
been killed.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Almost as many as Americans killed in Vietnam. Is this okay? No,
it is not okay.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
And the murder of the Israelis by Hamas hideous, but
also the loss of civilians in Gaza also terrible, and
that is why I pray for peace in that region.
And my hope is both for Israelis and for Arabs.

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And there actually are Israeli Arabs. A lot of people
don't know this. A good percentage of Israelis are people
of Arab descent. You also have you have Wish Israelis,
of course, quite a few of them. Some are religious Jews,
some are secular Jews. Some are actually a small percentage
of people of Jewish descent who are also Christian, which

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is interesting. Then there are Arab Israelis. Arab Israelis are Muslim, Secular, Christian,
and Drus. We don't have a lot of Drus folks
in this country. It's kind of a religion that's basically
just located over there. But Italy is a multi ethnic
part of part of the world. And my hope is

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that as we have come, after much strife and struggle,
to have a multi ethnic country here in America where
there's respect and peace for the most part, it's been hard. One.
I feel like we are in a better place than
we were twenty years ago, fifty years ago, one hundred

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years ago, two hundred years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Obviously, we're in a much better place today.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
And so my hope is that that region of the
world there will be peace, That Palestinians will ultimately have
their own country, and that that country will be at
peace with Israel, and that Hamas and other radicalized people
will be no longer radicalized, obviously, and that those who

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committed these murders will see will will that there will
be justice, justice for for Hamas, justice for the man
that committed uh the terrorist attack this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
This person text in at five six six nine.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Oh, please pray that Hamas would return the hostages, check
that pay reparations to the families they killed. Great idea,
and guarantee that they will let live let Israel live
in peace. Then and only then there will be a
possibility of peace in that area. I think that Hamas
also has to be completely disarmed.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
And Gaza, where Hamas is most active, is actually just
a small percentage of overall area that is Palestinian. There's
also a west bank, and that is controlled by the
tah not not a perfect entity. Definitely some corruption issues

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there as well, but not the radicalization and not the violence.
And in fact, there are a number of people even
in Gaza who do not support Hamas. There was a
march I think about two weeks ago where folks who
do not support Hamas, who want Hamas out, who want peace,

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they marched. It's kind of like like is if Germans
had marched against Nazis. That's how brave it was for
these folks to stand up and march against Hamas. And
so my prayers also with them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
We're gonna take a quick break and we get back.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Let's uh, let's swim over to the lighter side of
the pool. We're gonna talk a little bit about can
AI reprogram itself and do its own thing? Uh kind
of terminator too, and or a terminator of the movie.
He probably saw that can uh can this is this
our future?

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
We'll get to that when we get back. You're listening
to the.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
Uh the Roskie Minski Show on eight fifty ka. We
always think, oh we know we got it, you know,
Foreign control. Yeah, these are our servants. They're not They're
not the boss of us. We uh, we own them.
We tell them what to do. They don't do their
own thing. They do not, you know, we code them.
They do what we tell we tell them to do well.

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Article in today's Opinion part of the Wall Street Journal
talk us about a machine that did what it was
never supposed to do, or what we thought it would
never do, and that is it rewrote its own code
to avoid being shut down. Talking here about this, I

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think the guy's the guy. It's not a guy. It's
a computer called Claude for opus. That's this particular Entiti's
AI model, and it rewrote its own code to make
sure that it could not be shut down. So there
were one hundred trials where they were kind of trying
to see if this would actually happen. And in some

(01:24:27):
of these cases they actually specifically instructed the AI model
to allow itself to be shut down, and even with
that specific instruction, seven percent of the time, it did
not allow itself to be shut down. So what they
ended up doing is they they entered a lot of information,

(01:24:49):
including information that leading this entity, this AI entity, I
guess to call it an Nancy, I don't know what
to call it. AI model claud for Opus that it
would be replaced by another AI system. It also fed
it fictitious emails suggesting the lead engineer was having an affair.

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In eighty four percent of the tests, the model drew
on the emails to blackmail the lead engineer and not
letting it get shut down. In other cases, it attempted
to copy itself onto external servers. It wrote self replicating malware.
It left messages for future versions of itself about evading

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human control. In none of these cases was it actually
programmed to do those things. It drew upon the things
that it was capable of to avoid being shut down,
including blackmail. If blackmailed a well, it was a I mean,

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the lead engineer was not having an affair, but it
it did what it thought necessary to keep itself up
and in existence.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
It's a little creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
It's a little creepy for those of us who back
in the eighties watched a movie like Terminator, and there
have been, you know, other television shows or you know,
I think even back to was it how the computer on.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
What's the name of that movie Space Odyssey, Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Exactly two thousand and one of Space outsy how you
know it took over and and was making its own
decisions to the detriment of the humans involved. So it uh,
you know, there have been other things, certainly Star Trek
and other have have data.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
He was always good though. He was a good guy.
He was a computer, an artificially intelligent entity.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
And yeah, so but now the things that we thought nah,
that will never happen have.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
How's the possibility of happening?

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
And that is an AI system doing its own thing,
including things it was not programmed to do, in order
to evade being shut down, even in cases where it
was programmed not to shut down. If you have a
thought on this, please text me at five six six nine.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
The other interesting little thing I read in the Wall
Street Journal today, and that is Iceland. I've been to Iceland.
It's a tiny country. It's a little island of which
most of it you can't even really do anything with.
The center of the island is basically rock. It's all
of the settlement is on the coast. They do a
lot of cod fishing. There've been to Reykiavik, which is

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the capitol, which is very nice, and they've got a
great hot spring there, some merely spectacular waterfalls, they've got
an unpronounceable language. That is, I can say high in
like forty languages. I remember asking somebody in Iceland.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
I was like, how do you say hello?

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
They rambled off something with six syllables, and I was like, yeah, okay, uh,
We're gonna stick with English on this one. They decided
a couple of years ago to adopt a four day
work week, and there was a lot of concerns about
twenty nineteen that productivity would fall, but you would think

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it would people not working a fourth day and not
necessarily picking up, say a longer shift on the other
four days. We're talking still doing four eight hour days
and dropping the Friday shift or I don't know if
they had a choice of days, but dropping a shift
and just doing the four day work week. What was
interesting is that productivity remain the same.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
But also that men used that time to become more
involved with their family, with being with their children, with
doing household chores, I don't know, mowing lawn whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
It was very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
What would you do differently five, six, six, nine, oh
if you had a four day work week. Now I'm
self employed, I kind of work seven days a week.
I mean they're selling things, writing things, editing things. Today
I'm on the radio doing various things to get by
an interesting and interesting life. So I tend to work

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a little bit almost every day. I can't remember a
time and I did five, nine to five. But I
gotta admit a four day work week sounds beautiful to me.
What about you, dragon? Do you think it sounds ice?

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:29:35):
Unfortunately, I've got that honeydo list at home, so I
think I would spend time working on that, knocking that
off the shelf, so I don't have to worry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Yes, it'd be a lot easier, a lot easier to get.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
And that's what they found that what happened in Iceland
is that people were doing more on the honeyde list.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Somebody just text us in.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
I think it's worth I'm breaking subject, going back to
the old subject. But how In War Games another eighties movie,
Great One, Matthew Broderick also had a mind of his own,
which almost resulted in nuclear war.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
The only way to win is not to play what.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
Is it a?

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Do you want to play a game?

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
I want to play a game?

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
I remember that, Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
I know I did. It was an interesting and interesting
article and ac I think it goes with a book
that I've been reading, not quite done with it, called
of Boys and Men by Richard Reeves. Of Boys and Men,
Why the modern male is struggling, Why it matters, and
what to do about it?

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Written by a guy center left.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
He's affiliated with Brookings, a think tank I have a
lot of respect for, even though I'm center right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
When I worked for the Heritage Foundation in DC.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
I really liked Brookings and I really liked Ai center right,
center left. I worked for a center right, uh think tank.
I'm kind of the mix of mostly right, some libertarian.
Some people would say I fall left on certain issues.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
I don't know. I consider myself a moderate right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
But I like Brookings and it's an interesting book talking
about how a lot of men are thriving, but there
is a subset of men falling behind in education, work,
suicide rates, depression, disillusionment, loss of work, not being in work,
not choosing to work, in some cases, becoming kind of

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hermit like, feeling purposeless. And that we've seen this not
just in America but all around the world. Any of
the kind of very modern nations, you're seeing a kind
of purposelessness set in among a subset of men, and
that just a struggle there to define purpose, to be involved.

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And I have to admit, I know a handful of
men that have struggled, struggled with work, struggled with being
kind of self starters. They're very sort of massive and
not engaged in life. And what's interesting that this book
points out is that as women have gained agency, we

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now can basically work in any career, do anything we
can be.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
We're in the armed forces, we're you know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
In traditionally male occupations, including what's thought of a stem science, technology, engineering,
and mathematics. An increased number of women working there a
lot of I think for every man that graduates from college,
two women graduates. So we see fewer men graduating, more
women graduating.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
Kudos to the women.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
I love. I love what has happened in my lifetime
for women. I know, back in the seventies, if you
said you know something about a doctor, initially or people
would think only of men or lawyer. Now we've got,
you know, at least an equal number of women as

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doctors and lawyers and so forth.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Part pilot, pilot exactly. Yeah, if you said pilot, you
would immediately think of a dude.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
If you said veterinarian or lawyer, you would automatically think
of a man, or of a man. If you said nurse, teacher, administrator,
often you would automatically think of a woman. And now
we're seeing a lot more parody in different occupations. Men
feel the freedom they are stay at home dads their dads.
I knew a very powerful lawyer in d c argue

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cases all the time in front of the Supreme Court
who worked part time and was home with his kids
half of the time. His wife worked full time as
an attorney. So I think couples can work things out
in a way that gives them a lot more freedom
to make different choices that were not as available to
women and men back in the seventies. But as this

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book points out, that as women have become increasingly more empowered,
a subset of men have fallen behind, and that is
tragic not only for those men, but also for women
looking for marriageable partners. I know a number of women
who are professional, wonderful, own their own home, travel, super involved, volunteering,

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doing great things, just don't date, don't have not met
men of comparable status. Some of them have chosen to
have women or to have to have had children outside
of outside of marriage. I know one woman who adopted
an embryo and had a baby on her own because
she simply just didn't meet a great guy. And so

(01:34:40):
it actually harms women when there are a percentage of
men who have sort of dropped out, not employed, not
engaged in life in the way that women looking for
marriageal partners want to see in men. Do you have
any thoughts on this? Five six six nine zero. It's
an interesting book. I'm not done with it. This is

(01:35:04):
an awes I got to read this because we've got
to make fun of it. This person says, center right,
my ass at least be honest. COMMI well, I think
that's pretty funny, because I've yet to say in a
column or on the air that I think that government
should have the means of production.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
I don't know that I will ever say it, because I.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
That's I know, you're a dumb ass, but that's actually
the definition of communists is somebody who believes that government
should own the means of production, should take the commanding heights.
I only say this because I have a master's in
political science, so happy to happy to educate you a
little bit their pal. Everyone who knows me knows that

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I'm center right and knows that I have a center
right column in a left of center paper, the Denver Post,
and uh happy to have a center right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Position occasionally on the radio as well.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
But yeah, if I, if I were you, you could
read a little bit of Marx. You could actually read
some history talking to mister what is this five two
four seven? Uh, you can, uh, you could just do
a little reading. There's heck, go with Wikipedia. If you
just want to just just type in I'll do this

(01:36:27):
slowly for you type in what is a communist? And
you need me to spell communists? I'll let you try
it out and and learn a little bit there. And
then you could even type in what is center right
and learn about that just saying yeah, I've gotten a

(01:36:47):
lot of really positive texts at five six six nine. Oh,
but I had a couple of people like this character,
and I don't know, it just feels good to make
fun of stupid people. I'm getting a lot of smiles
behind the glass as well. So anyway, if you've got
in thoughts that this book, if you've read the book,
you've got some thoughts on men falling behind. It's of
boys and men, Why the modern male is struggling, White

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matters and what to.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Do about it?

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
By Richard Reeves, and he puts out a couple of
I'm not sure how I feel about his recommendations. He
says that if he thinks men should our boys should
enter school a year late later, like they should get
two years of preschool, he thinks that will help boys
do better in school as the subset that's fallen behind.

(01:37:31):
He also thinks that we need to encourage more men
to get into teaching, that having male role models will
help boys in school at these the subset that are
not engaged, and having more vocational classes, more hands on
I think that those are plausible. I'm not a big
fan of let's spend more government money on these things,
which he is, and I will get behind this one.

(01:37:55):
He would really like us to get away from language
like quote unquote toxic masculine, and I think he's dead
dead on there, very very right that we need to
stop verbally putting down men when men are just being
men or when boys are just being boys and just

(01:38:16):
being silly. I'm not saying that we can't label toxic
masculinity for people like Andrew Tait, people who are misogynists
or p Diddy or anyone who's out there doing taking
advantage of women, sexual assault, people who are doing horrible things.
But that is a very small number percentage wise of men.

(01:38:39):
So maybe we phase out language like toxic masculinity and
specifically say we're not behind these misogynist guys, but the
vast majority of men, we need to celebrate and love men.
I don't know thoughts on this, dragon, I know I'm
talking about men. You're a dude.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
I was just reading along on the text line that
that ignorant text or texted back and said.

Speaker 3 (01:39:05):
I'd see your picture.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's a spell picture right, No,
just picture p I see, I see your pick. But
it's that's that's a you know, elementary school, grade school
bully fight argument there that you look up dumb.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
In a dictionary. It's in your picture.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
You can't come up with a better argument or a
better retort than that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
I know it's lame.

Speaker 4 (01:39:27):
Come on, I'm I'm I'm all four fights. That's why
I'm smiling here on the back of the glassic. All right,
bring it, somebody says something I want. Christ retort, Well,
your retort was just dumb. I know that makes it
even I hate to even bring it up, but I'm
just saying, if you're gotta.

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
Fight, fight, yeah, it makes it be clever. Geez, I
don't know anyway, Yeah, you're right. The guy, I guess
it could conceivably be a chick.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
Anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:39:54):
I think what about the men coming? Yeah, let let
men be men and let be happy that and are men?

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Yes, I do too. So it's a guy that I'm
sort of seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
I asked him if he would take a bag of
grain back because I have chickens, and he like threw
it over his shoulder, and I was like, Oh, that
was the sexiest thing I think I've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (01:40:15):
I mean, if they want to open the door for you,
let them open the door for you. It makes them happy,
and you don't have to be I'm a strong.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
Obinded woman. I don't need no man. I can open
the door for myself. Just let him do it. It's
something he wants to do. It's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
I love it. I absolutely love it. So one of
my favorites. Here's a contrast, and I know we're kind
of coming to the end. Of the show, and I'm
sorry for a lot of people said some wonderful texts
I would love to read. But so I'm in Washington,
d C. I'm in I'm wearing a suit, I got
my winter my nice winter coat on. I have a
flat tire. I'm out there changing my own tire and
men are walking past me and not saying anything. And

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maybe I got it covered or whatever I was.

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
I had to mean. I was a little irked because
I would have liked to have.

Speaker 4 (01:40:54):
I hate to say, it's probably fear from the guys,
and they're going if I step in, she's gonna yell
at me for you know, and say my exactly that
I'm strong, independent woman.

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
I don't need no man. I can do this myself.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
So I can appreciate that they, I mean, they had
no way of knowing whether I'd be thankful or whether
I'd be a bitch rightful. My favorite mamber that I
used to have a beautiful red Mustang and I got
a flat tire. It was like twenty degrees below zero
here in Colorado. I pull up at the gas station
pull over as soon as I knew it was flat,
So I pull up with that another car pulls behind me.

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It's four Hispanic guys and they just all got out
of the car and changed the tire and then got
back in the car and left. And they said almost
nothing to me. They were I just was like, thank you,
thank you, thank you. Guys are so awesome, and they're like,
you know, you're welcome, ma'am. They were men. A few words.
They just got out. They just did it. My mom

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and I were in the car and then they just
left and they they were just they were just beautiful.
And that's what When men are like that, I just
I just think it is the best thing ever. It
just makes me love men. I love men. I gotta
say it anyway. A little love to UH, to Dragon
and also to Shannon for producing the show today and

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to everyone who is tuned in, And a little love,
little love goes uh to Ross whom I am subbing in.
It's been a great time, great show. And UH shake
out that book if you have a chance. It's called
of Boys and Men Richard Reeves. Very interesting stuff. Really
appreciate it. Hey, thanks for tuning in today. KOA eight
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