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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's always so much fun and such a privilege to
have Brad Thor on the show, one of the truly.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Great thriller writers.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
And you know, listeners know, I love, love, love the
thriller genre, and I love having the best writers on
the show. And Brad has a new book out, Edge
of Honor. I should know, Brad exactly what publication day is,
but I don't.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
So it's around now. So is it coming up or
is it just passed?

Speaker 3 (00:29):
It was July first, so yesterday, yesterday?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Okay, so this book was just published yesterday.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
And one of the great joys of my job is
I get these books a little bit early so I
can read them and then talk with the authors on
publication day or right around it, and you know, as usual,
the problem, my problem with Brad Thor is that he
costs me sleep because I pick up the book and
then I can't put it down, and it's like three
nights in a row, and then I'm tired. But yes,

(00:56):
so another great Scott Harveth book, Brad, and let me
let me there.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
I got a lot of things I want to ask
you about.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
I don't think I've read every Scott Harveth book, but
I'm trying to think of one where essentially all of
his activity is in the United States of America.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Well, so, first of all, thank you. That is high praise. Indeed,
I appreciate it, and I want all the listeners to
know that.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
I tell people my books are like the James Bond movies.
If there is a new Bond movie at the theater
and you've never seen one of them before, doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Matter, go see it.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Pick up the newest Brad Thorp book. I'm gonna get
you caught up right away. Yeah, my guy Scott Harvev
comes back again and again again.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
It doesn't matter if you've ever read one, you don't
need to read him in order.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
So it's been a while he's been globe trotting, dealing
with things around the world. So for this fourth of July,
and the book actually takes place in the days leading
up to the fourth of July in DC and around DC,
I wanted to bring him home. I wanted to do
a big, red, white and blue patriotic thriller.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, and it's funny. It's not not funny.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
I mean it is intentionally and you talk, you talk
about and I think in the notes at the end,
which I'm weird enough to read, you talk about how
much you love July fourth and how much it means
to you. So it's kind of funny I'm reading this
in the lead up to July fourth. I almost feel
like I'm almost like I'm reading a news story in
a way, because I feel like it's happening right now.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
That's great, then, you know, I.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Call what I do faction where you don't know where
the facts end and the fiction begins. So that's exactly
the feeling I wanted you to have. You can read
this book after the fourth of July two, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
It is kind of fun because Harvard his favorite holiday,
like me, he is fourth of July, and you've got
all the decorations, the flags that are coming out and
all that kind of stuff. So it just adds to
that feeling of anticipation for Independence Day.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
I think you know this already, but I like to
make sure I tell the authors who are on the show,
because apparently it's a rare thing that I have read
the whole book, and I guess the significant percentage of
people who interview you have read some of it or
none of it.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
So I just want to make sure you know I've
read all of it.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Well.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
I appreciate that, and I actually am very lucky that
I have a handful of people very special like you
who are big fans of the books and are thrilled
to get it early and they read it cover to cover,
and I think it adds to a more.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Substantive discussion about the book. So I appreciate you being
such a pro all right.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
So, as long as we're going to have a substantive
discussion on serious issues of philosophy, politics, and so on,
I would like to start that conversation by asking if
you have had a bad experience with ludifisk.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah, as a American of Scanadavian descent, I have had
more than one holiday where we had to eat that poison.
Had they when everything broke about the rendition program under
the George W. Bush administration and the black sites and stuff,
had they been force feeding lutefisk to the Islamic terrorists,
I would not have been so m h.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, I could tell that that was really you complaining
about na fisk, and not just Scott Harvath. Folks, you'll
have to read the book to understand understand what we're
talking about, all right, So let's let's actually get a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
More serious here.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
So part of the plot plot of the book, a
big part of the plot of the book is a
threat to the life of a former national security official
in the US government, and Scott Harvath and others have
to figure out who the threat is actually coming from.
But one of the things that the characters talk about
in the book, and that is, you know, obviously channeling

(04:37):
a bit of Brad Thor's zone thinking, is this former
official not having a Secret Service protection, which has been
a thing in the news so faction.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
But you want to talk about that a little.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah, So it's actually based on somebody that I know
from the national security community who was involved in a
lot of high level things pissed off a lot of
the right bad people around the world because he was
being a very muscular advocate for US policy under the
president that he worked for, and when that administration was up,

(05:13):
he was not able to get a security detailed despite
the very serious threats against him.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
So I was actually writing this book is.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Pretty much done when all that news broke about Pompeo
losing his John Bolton losing his so I went and
planted a digital flag on Facebook to say, wow, this headline,
this is very much is very similar to what Scott
Harvath is dealing with an.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Edge of honor.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
So it was me, you know, kind of getting to
the finish line before the headlines broke once again.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
So yeah, once once again for sure.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
So are you saying that that particular plot line did
not come from Pompeo and Bolton. I guess the book
was probably finished before that, before that those stories hit anyway.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, so it was it.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Was another person in the national security world. It was
not Pompeiu and Bold. It was that part was already done,
which is why I went and made a post on
Facebook to say, Hey, you're going to see this coming
up this summer, but I want you to know right
now while this news is breaking. I don't know that's
February or when it was, but I was like, hey,
you know that I was already working on this before
it hit the news.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Okay, well, just one more follow up on that.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Hopefully I won't ask something that is too far, But
under what.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
President did the person who.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
You will not name not get a secret Service detail?

Speaker 3 (06:34):
I'm not going to say Okay.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
You know, I want to follow up on this with
with a comment that's got Harvath made in the book
along the lines of how are you going to get
very top people to want to work in government, especially
in potentially risk inducing positions like national security advisor, if
you're going to take away their their protection when they're.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Out exactly, So that is a non part is an issue.
We want the best people advising the president, whoever that
may be, doesn't matter what party they come from. You
want the president to have the best advisors and then
the best implementers to carry out their policies. So if
you if we as a nation refuse to protect those

(07:23):
people after they leave service of an administration, we refuse
to protect them against threats that they incurred during their
service to the country.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
We're idiots. You're never going to You're not even gonna
get see.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Team players to come to the White House in the
national security arena. So we should for bona fide threats.
Just because somebody says we're going to get you, doesn't
mean they're going to get you. But if you find
out that there's really threats to cooking for these people,
we need to protect them. Regardless of what a president passed,
current or future, what they.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Think about the person.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
If they've got a bona fide threat from a foreign
hostile actor, we need to protect them.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
It's just it's the right.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Thing to do.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
It's like saying that your manager and there's a rapist
in the neighborhood and you've seen his car, and you're
not going.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
To do anything about it. That's just stupid.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
You got to protect the people that take care of
you and take care of the country. We owe them that,
we owe them that at the very least.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
We're talking with Brad Thor, one of the world's best
thriller novelists, about his new book published yesterday called Edge
of Honor. I highly recommend that you go pick it
up and read it for your your summer read. Gosh,
if you go order it right now, it could probably
be delivered tomorrow and then you could have it to
read over the July fourth holiday.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
So, Brad, the.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Book, where we get to the thread on the former
National Security advisor, dude he thinks that it's a particular
foreign adversary.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
But then yeah, the book, and.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
I'm going to be careful here and let you spoil
as much of the plot as you or disclose as
much of the plot as you want, and I'm going
to try to not disclose too much. But obviously it's
a huge part of the book that the threat is
not foreign.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Let's say that, and.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
This part maybe drifts from faction into like could this
actually happen? And how bad would it be if this
really were faction? This part right about the domestic stuff,
so guess what you're getting at. Again, you can disclose
as much of the plot as you want.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
So the concept behind the book, I've long been fascinated
with the French Revolution and the different factions that split
off there, particularly the Jacobins, and the amount of violence
that happened during the French Revolution. So the idea from
which this thriller was born was, what if there was
a cabal of insiders in DC. We elect a new

(09:47):
super young president, youngest president since JFK, super popular president,
promises everything on the campaign trail, gets into office and
has to pump the brakes on a lot of promises
because realizes I can't deliver on these things day one
because it would actually do more harm than good.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
And so then you've got this cabal that backed this
young president.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
Very upset, thinks the president is backing off of everything
he promised, this kind of second coming of a JFK,
although it's not Democrat or Republican. So they get upset
and they decide, you know what, screw the voters. They're
not smart enough to do the right thing. This idiot
that we back. They're very angry with them. They're like,
we're going to force them from power, and we're going
to get our own person in there that's going to
do the things that we wanted to do because we

(10:27):
can't trust the American voters anymore. And that's the idea,
the shadowy insider cabal, and that turns out to be
the threat that Harved has to deal with in the book, as.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Does the rest of the nation and the lead up
to the fourth of July.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
All right, last thing I want to ask you.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Why you again you talk about this in the book
as you separate from as Scott Harvath, Why do you
treasure July fourth so much?

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Well, I think that if you were a soul up
in heaven and you were being given the choice of
being born, you could be born at any time in history,
any place on the planet. You would choose right here,
right now. There is no better country. There's no better
time to be alive. Despite all the problems in the world,
all the things we've got going on in this country,

(11:18):
this is the best place to be and this is
the best.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Time to be alive.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Every day we get better in this country, and so
I am so thankful.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
It reminds me real quick story of Ronald Reagan.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
He tells the story about a Cuban refugee sitting with
two people at a cafe in Miami. Wants a doctor,
one's a lawyer, and he tells his story to these
two people about how he escaped to the boat from
Castro's Cuba. And the doctor looks at the lawyer and says, boy,
aren't we lucky, And the Cuban refugee corrects him and says, no, no.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
No, you two aren't lucky. I'm the lucky one.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
I had some place to go to and if you're
not careful, there's going to be nothing left after the
United States. And so that's how I feel. My family
came here from Scandinavia. I'm very, very honored to be
an American, and as far as i'm it's her greatest country.
In the history of the world. We've done more good
than any other nation. And I'm thrilled and it's my
favorite holiday. I can't wait for Friday and the fourth

(12:08):
of July.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Love it.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
What a great answer. Brad Thor's new book is called
Edge of Honor. It was published yesterday, so you can
go wherever you buy your books and buy it right now. Brad,
tell our mutual friend David B. That you want to
do an event in Denver for your next book where
I can host you.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
Oh, I would be honored, and I'm long overdue in
that beautiful city, so we will definitely do it.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Thank you, all right, thanks so much for being here,
and thanks for entertaining me again.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
You're welcome. Have a great Fourth of July.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
All Right, you too, Brad. All right, that's the great
Brad Thor. His new book is called Edge of Honor.
If you like thriller novels, his are always so much fun.

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