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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Every once in a while, I get a pitch about
a business that is doing something that is just so
interesting that I think I gotta do this. I need
to know more, I need to learn more, because this
is fascinating and hopefully this is going to be just
such a conversation. So joining us right now is Roger
Mortmort and he is chief operating officer of a company
(00:24):
called Packaging and Creating Technologies acron Impact Pact, and they
are going to be presenting at something called the National
Bomb Convention. Who knew that there was such a thing.
So let's talk a little bit about the National Bomb Convention,
and then I want to talk a lot more about
(00:46):
exactly what Roger's company packed is doing that has to
do with bombs and other things that go boom.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So Roger, welcome to Kaway, Thanks.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
For joining us, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
So do we go to the National I'm Convention to
learn how to make the best bombs.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
So this is actually going to be my first year there.
My partner guy, he's been going forever. But the people
reached out because we've been working together, and people come
from everywhere, I mean pretty much most of the top
officials of the Pentagon will be there. Then you're going
to have the Department of Defense, other folks, Secret Service, TSA,
(01:25):
anti terrorist agencies, all branches of the militaries and special
forces show up, and there.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Will be like the latest technology.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
From what I gather from Guy is all the vendors
that show up and the people that like go through
all these scenarios and they have like side meetings where
they talk about like an issue, and then all of
a sudden, you got like some of the brightest people
in the world sitting there and they just start throwing
out ideas and collaborating to come up with a new
(01:54):
solution on that thing.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Right, So I'm kind of excited to hear and see this.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It sounds fascinating in more than a little sarcastic. When
I asked, if it's that's the conference we go to
to learn how to make the best bomb, it's actually
just the opposite of that, right, It's about it's about
how to either defend against explosives that might be intentionally
used against someone to cause harm, or it's about protecting
(02:20):
against possible accidents from things that go boom, like bombs
or bullets.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Right, and with the batteries and right there we have
lithium battery packaging and solutions that you know they need
because litium batteries are your newest weapon. Basically, they can
go off at any time, you never know.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
All right, So let's let's talk about some of this
stuff that your company makes. And so let's I think
you guys do both the lithium battery thing, and you're
working on stuff for like to transport bullets and bombs.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Is that right? All of that?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, we make all types of grating.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
We even ship like tank barrels and and okay, stuff
from twenty pounds up to like forty pounds.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
All right, So let's start.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
With the lithium batteries because this is something we can
all relate to, and we all get asked when we
go to the airport, now do you have a lithium
battery in your check bluggage? And we hear stories from
time to time about somebody who's lithium battery catches on
fire on the plane, stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I think you're talking about a slightly larger.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Scale of problem than one person carrying one battery. Of course,
we also hear about Tesla's catching on fire from not often,
but it happens and then you can't put them out.
So what describe very exactly for us, what is the
lithium battery problem? Like who are your customers, what are
they doing with lithium batteries?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
And then what does the solution look like?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Well, so like the military, do you have all these
backup batteries that go into tanks, that go into humbies,
that go into handheld devices, and they know that these
liftian batteries are unpredictable. One out of every ten thousand
can go off on its own. It doesn't need a
you know, a pump or whatever. It can just happen,
(04:05):
and they put it.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
In our materials. And should this battery go off, let's
say a.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Hum V battery inside the paper and inside the box
that we put it in, it'll burn at like fifteen
hundred degrees for up to twenty one hours to go
down to zero. But you could hold your hands on
the outside of the box and you wouldn't even feel
the heat. So like you know these big warehouses where
they store all this stuff, they may have the lithium
(04:31):
batteries all right here, and then next to it might
be mines. The next thing over it might be shells
and mortars, and you know, just one lithium battery like
a car battery. If it goes off and it's all
the cells inside, it might have four hundred cells inside
of it. These the cells pitch your a double a battery.
It's a little bigger than that, and there's like four
(04:53):
hundred of them wired together.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
One decides to go rogue.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
It shoots out a about the size of a four
shotgun slug of liquid cobol wrapped in liquid copper, and
then it starts setting off the rest of the four hundred.
So you're in a warehouse full of explosives and this
one little battery starts shooting off these little frickin' balls
of fire, and everything they hit burns.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Wow. So it can go bad very quickly.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So obviously what you're doing is proprietary. But give us
a little more description to whatever you're allowed to, whatever
degree you're allowed to of how you create a box
and whatever this paper stuff is that you described that
can safely contain a lithium battery that spontaneously combusts.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
So on a bigger scale, pitture a beer box.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
When you look down inside, there's the little grid that
put the bottles in. Well, we make a crate that
has nine cells, which is a little grid, and they'll
stick like nine Humby batteries into the crate.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Well.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
The interior layer the grid is built out of carrugated
which is like the edge of a beer box, but
it's printed with our ink on both sides, and then
paper that's printed with the ink, and we layer it
all in there, and then the outer box will take
this eighteen hundred degree paint that we have and we
(06:23):
paint the outer box. So during testing, what they do
is they set this thing out on a range. They
got the nine batteries in it. They take a Russian
seven six two five in cindiary around, send it through
one of the batteries, wait about ten minutes, send it
through another battery, go over to the other side, send
it through two more over the course of like forty minutes,
(06:46):
and then normally, like even in metal boxes, the metal
box will just explode. Because you're keeping the pressure in
in our create it allows the moisture coming off my
paper starts to suffocate the fire apart and keeps the
rest of the cells that didn't get shot from going
into effect and going off.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
So inside the cree.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
It's burning at like fifteen hundred degrees in four spots,
but there was no big explosion because we're not containing
the pressure. It'll off gas out the side the pressure part,
but not the fire part, So the thing will sit
there and burn and like the military guys say, you know,
you're giving.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Us like two to three hours to pick this thing
up and.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Get it off of the you know, the boat and
throw it in the water or put it out in
the sand and the desert somewhere, and nobody gets killed
and none of the other stuff willow up.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Unbelievable. We're talking with Roger Moore TIMRT.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
He's COO of Packing and Creating Technologies, also known as
Packed Pact, and they are, along with many other companies,
presenting next week actually at the twenty twenty five Explosive Ordinance, Disposal,
Improvise Explosive Devices and Countermine Symposium in National Harbor, Maryland.
(08:10):
So the ink that you talked about is a proprietary
product of yours that does this special stuff you were describing.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, we have an ink that allows this.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Once you hit two hundred degrees fahrenheit, which is lithium
batteries heat up and then they go off at around
three fifty. See at two hundred, it starts sending moisture
all around the area and cooling it down. These batteries
need to get hot to go off, and when they
exhaust their gas, because every one of these little cells
we're talking about will send about a cord of gas
(08:42):
out into the atmosphere, sit there for a second, collect oxygen,
and then suck back in. Well, the lithium already created
the fire because it burns itself, it creates its own oxygen,
and when that gas gets sucked back in is where
you get this big explosion shooting this liquid cobal liquid
upper sometimes one hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Wow, it'll go through people.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Will go through walls, and we'll go through, creating you know,
all kinds of stuff. But because when it off gases,
the moisture shuts off the gas and turns it to
char and drops it down to the you know, the
base of the thing, and the battery sucks back in,
thinking it's getting the gas.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Well only gets the moisture.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
So the lithium sits there and burns at like seven
hundred C for like ten seconds and then burns itself
out and then the rest of the cells around it,
because there can be hundreds and thousands of cells in
these things. They are cooled off so they never get
into the fight because they need to get above two
hundred death before they can get on our way.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Up to three pot fifty c and blow up. Huh,
So wow, we keep them out of the battle.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
One of my listeners wants to know if you guys
do anything to protect around electrical backup, like ups power.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Systems in office buildings.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
We can, well, yeah, most of our customers end up
being a customer because they ask a question. Yeah, we
take a look, quick look at it, and we probably
already have a solution that we're using for just a
different type of thing, or we come up with a
whole new thing.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
All right, one more for you.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I got about two minutes here, So we talked about
lithium batteries a lot. What about blast mitigation? What about
transportation of bullets and bombs?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
What do you guys do for that?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I saw an interesting thing that I really didn't know,
but it makes sense now, and I'll just read from
this press release. The US Navy doesn't like to ship
army and Air Force munitions and the air Force doesn't
want its cargo aircraft to carry munitions either, So you
guys are are well.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I guess actually, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
This might be another one of the companies or a
partner company of yours, but talk about this a little
bit transportation of bullets and bombs, so.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
We can build trading for them that Actually we have
a vibration resistant foot in. The entire crate is built
out of carrugated versus wood, so the carrugated eats the energy.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
So as these things.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Are moving, bumping, flying, don't jostling up and down, the
contents inside the crate have no idea they're even flying
or doing anything. Like you could take a whole crate
full of glass, shove it off a dock four foot
off the ground, ten foot off the ground, and it'll
hit the ground. The crate will literally crush in a
(11:26):
little bit. But you open it up and the glass
is one hundred percent like it's brand new that they
didn't even know there was a shot.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
So they use a lot of our creating for that
type of Stuff's.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Who's inventing this?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
You got an engineer or a few engineers at your company.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
So myself, I'm not an engineer at all.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
I just got a high school diploma, but I was
in the cargate the industry forever.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I met Guy.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Guy's the chemical guy who came up with this ink
and everything, and we put it onto our wrapping paper
and printed it on and tested it on all out
and it all just started working amazing. And then like
last year, we got a call from or actually two
years ago from like fire departments, can you use this
stuff to put out a lithium battery fire? And Guy
was like, not the exact thing. So we came up
(12:15):
with a brand new fire standisher which is being tested
already about twenty times, and it shuts off a lithium
battery fire on contact. Wow, heats it out and whenever
it's at the end of life, there's no HASMAC clean
up because it's one hundred percent organic.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Even if you got it in your eyes, you can
rinse it out of your eyes, just like you got
a little soap in your eyes.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
One of my listeners actually asked, do you have U
can you do you have a blanket that I can
keep in my garage? I guess like suspend it over
over the tesla so that and then like with a
temperature sensor, like sensing a fire could drop down onto
the Tesla and put out the fire.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
No, And if you've ever seen a tesla burn, and
I've seen probably more than four hundred of burn just
run under the floor.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
There's like four thousand of these batteries.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, and each one goes off with the force of
about a half a hand grenade.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
When they go off.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
So the fires, like, we just lost a bunch of
firefighters two years ago in Newark, New Jersey because a
bunch of these recycled cars were going over to Africa
to be recycled and they didn't know it was a
EV fire. They went down to the twelfth level. The
thing hit five thousand degrees very quickly, and who were
the fireman fell down and everybody evacuvated. They didn't even
(13:34):
find their gear everything. It literally burned from six and
a half days and almost sunk the ship.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
It was like twenty feet from sinking the ship. Wow.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
One more listener question, My garage can get really hot
like ninety five degrees, yes, soak and mine would it be?
Should I not store lithium batteries in there or is
that still fine?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
You're good up to two hundred degrees. I will tell
you do not do not, do not let them put
them in your attic. My brother in law ex brother
in law, he got solar panels put on his house
and they put the batteries in the attic.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
And I was warning them.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
And two months later my expoed means he goes, hey,
you know happened in this house.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I'm like no.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
His roof blew off into the neighbor's yard. The house
burned to the ground, filled the cats and dogs. Oh
my gosh, because they put their liftium.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Batteries for the solar panels in the attic.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Oh my gosh. Unbelievable, unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Roger mort Is COO and engineering genius of Packaging and
Creating Technologies also called packed pace t if you want
to learn more about their products. If you've got any
any use for any of this kind of stuff, and
it does seem like there are a lot of possible uses,
you can go look them up Packaging and Creating Technologies,
(14:53):
And if you forget any of that, just email me
and I'll remind you. Roger does a fabulous conversation. Thank
you so much.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Thank you, I appreciate it. Have a great day.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, you too.
Every once in a while, I get a pitch about
a business that is doing something that is just so
interesting that I think I gotta do this. I need
to know more, I need to learn more, because this
is fascinating and hopefully this is going to be just
such a conversation. So joining us right now is Roger
Mortmort and he is chief operating officer of a company
(00:24):
called Packaging and Creating Technologies acron Impact Pact, and they
are going to be presenting at something called the National
Bomb Convention. Who knew that there was such a thing.
So let's talk a little bit about the National Bomb Convention,
and then I want to talk a lot more about
(00:46):
exactly what Roger's company packed is doing that has to
do with bombs and other things that go boom.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So Roger, welcome to Kaway, Thanks.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
For joining us, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
So do we go to the National I'm Convention to
learn how to make the best bombs.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
So this is actually going to be my first year there.
My partner guy, he's been going forever. But the people
reached out because we've been working together, and people come
from everywhere, I mean pretty much most of the top
officials of the Pentagon will be there. Then you're going
to have the Department of Defense, other folks, Secret Service, TSA,
(01:25):
anti terrorist agencies, all branches of the militaries and special
forces show up, and there.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Will be like the latest technology.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
From what I gather from Guy is all the vendors
that show up and the people that like go through
all these scenarios and they have like side meetings where
they talk about like an issue, and then all of
a sudden, you got like some of the brightest people
in the world sitting there and they just start throwing
out ideas and collaborating to come up with a new
(01:54):
solution on that thing.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Right, So I'm kind of excited to hear and see this.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It sounds fascinating in more than a little sarcastic. When
I asked, if it's that's the conference we go to
to learn how to make the best bomb, it's actually
just the opposite of that, right, It's about it's about
how to either defend against explosives that might be intentionally
used against someone to cause harm, or it's about protecting
(02:20):
against possible accidents from things that go boom, like bombs
or bullets.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Right, and with the batteries and right there we have
lithium battery packaging and solutions that you know they need
because litium batteries are your newest weapon. Basically, they can
go off at any time, you never know.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
All right, So let's let's talk about some of this
stuff that your company makes. And so let's I think
you guys do both the lithium battery thing, and you're
working on stuff for like to transport bullets and bombs.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Is that right? All of that?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, we make all types of grating.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
We even ship like tank barrels and and okay, stuff
from twenty pounds up to like forty pounds.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
All right, So let's start.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
With the lithium batteries because this is something we can
all relate to, and we all get asked when we
go to the airport, now do you have a lithium
battery in your check bluggage? And we hear stories from
time to time about somebody who's lithium battery catches on
fire on the plane, stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I think you're talking about a slightly larger.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Scale of problem than one person carrying one battery. Of course,
we also hear about Tesla's catching on fire from not often,
but it happens and then you can't put them out.
So what describe very exactly for us, what is the
lithium battery problem? Like who are your customers, what are
they doing with lithium batteries?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
And then what does the solution look like?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Well, so like the military, do you have all these
backup batteries that go into tanks, that go into humbies,
that go into handheld devices, and they know that these
liftian batteries are unpredictable. One out of every ten thousand
can go off on its own. It doesn't need a
you know, a pump or whatever. It can just happen,
(04:05):
and they put it.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
In our materials. And should this battery go off, let's
say a.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Hum V battery inside the paper and inside the box
that we put it in, it'll burn at like fifteen
hundred degrees for up to twenty one hours to go
down to zero. But you could hold your hands on
the outside of the box and you wouldn't even feel
the heat. So like you know these big warehouses where
they store all this stuff, they may have the lithium
(04:31):
batteries all right here, and then next to it might
be mines. The next thing over it might be shells
and mortars, and you know, just one lithium battery like
a car battery. If it goes off and it's all
the cells inside, it might have four hundred cells inside
of it. These the cells pitch your a double a battery.
It's a little bigger than that, and there's like four
(04:53):
hundred of them wired together.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
One decides to go rogue.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
It shoots out a about the size of a four
shotgun slug of liquid cobol wrapped in liquid copper, and
then it starts setting off the rest of the four hundred.
So you're in a warehouse full of explosives and this
one little battery starts shooting off these little frickin' balls
of fire, and everything they hit burns.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Wow. So it can go bad very quickly.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So obviously what you're doing is proprietary. But give us
a little more description to whatever you're allowed to, whatever
degree you're allowed to of how you create a box
and whatever this paper stuff is that you described that
can safely contain a lithium battery that spontaneously combusts.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
So on a bigger scale, pitture a beer box.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
When you look down inside, there's the little grid that
put the bottles in. Well, we make a crate that
has nine cells, which is a little grid, and they'll
stick like nine Humby batteries into the crate.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Well.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
The interior layer the grid is built out of carrugated
which is like the edge of a beer box, but
it's printed with our ink on both sides, and then
paper that's printed with the ink, and we layer it
all in there, and then the outer box will take
this eighteen hundred degree paint that we have and we
(06:23):
paint the outer box. So during testing, what they do
is they set this thing out on a range. They
got the nine batteries in it. They take a Russian
seven six two five in cindiary around, send it through
one of the batteries, wait about ten minutes, send it
through another battery, go over to the other side, send
it through two more over the course of like forty minutes,
(06:46):
and then normally, like even in metal boxes, the metal
box will just explode. Because you're keeping the pressure in
in our create it allows the moisture coming off my
paper starts to suffocate the fire apart and keeps the
rest of the cells that didn't get shot from going
into effect and going off.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
So inside the cree.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
It's burning at like fifteen hundred degrees in four spots,
but there was no big explosion because we're not containing
the pressure. It'll off gas out the side the pressure part,
but not the fire part, So the thing will sit
there and burn and like the military guys say, you know,
you're giving.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Us like two to three hours to pick this thing
up and.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Get it off of the you know, the boat and
throw it in the water or put it out in
the sand and the desert somewhere, and nobody gets killed
and none of the other stuff willow up.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Unbelievable. We're talking with Roger Moore TIMRT.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
He's COO of Packing and Creating Technologies, also known as
Packed Pact, and they are, along with many other companies,
presenting next week actually at the twenty twenty five Explosive Ordinance, Disposal,
Improvise Explosive Devices and Countermine Symposium in National Harbor, Maryland.
(08:10):
So the ink that you talked about is a proprietary
product of yours that does this special stuff you were describing.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, we have an ink that allows this.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Once you hit two hundred degrees fahrenheit, which is lithium
batteries heat up and then they go off at around
three fifty. See at two hundred, it starts sending moisture
all around the area and cooling it down. These batteries
need to get hot to go off, and when they
exhaust their gas, because every one of these little cells
we're talking about will send about a cord of gas
(08:42):
out into the atmosphere, sit there for a second, collect oxygen,
and then suck back in. Well, the lithium already created
the fire because it burns itself, it creates its own oxygen,
and when that gas gets sucked back in is where
you get this big explosion shooting this liquid cobal liquid
upper sometimes one hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Wow, it'll go through people.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Will go through walls, and we'll go through, creating you know,
all kinds of stuff. But because when it off gases,
the moisture shuts off the gas and turns it to
char and drops it down to the you know, the
base of the thing, and the battery sucks back in,
thinking it's getting the gas.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Well only gets the moisture.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
So the lithium sits there and burns at like seven
hundred C for like ten seconds and then burns itself
out and then the rest of the cells around it,
because there can be hundreds and thousands of cells in
these things. They are cooled off so they never get
into the fight because they need to get above two
hundred death before they can get on our way.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Up to three pot fifty c and blow up. Huh,
So wow, we keep them out of the battle.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
One of my listeners wants to know if you guys
do anything to protect around electrical backup, like ups power.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Systems in office buildings.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
We can, well, yeah, most of our customers end up
being a customer because they ask a question. Yeah, we
take a look, quick look at it, and we probably
already have a solution that we're using for just a
different type of thing, or we come up with a
whole new thing.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
All right, one more for you.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I got about two minutes here, So we talked about
lithium batteries a lot. What about blast mitigation? What about
transportation of bullets and bombs?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
What do you guys do for that?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I saw an interesting thing that I really didn't know,
but it makes sense now, and I'll just read from
this press release. The US Navy doesn't like to ship
army and Air Force munitions and the air Force doesn't
want its cargo aircraft to carry munitions either, So you
guys are are well.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I guess actually, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
This might be another one of the companies or a
partner company of yours, but talk about this a little
bit transportation of bullets and bombs, so.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
We can build trading for them that Actually we have
a vibration resistant foot in. The entire crate is built
out of carrugated versus wood, so the carrugated eats the energy.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
So as these things.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Are moving, bumping, flying, don't jostling up and down, the
contents inside the crate have no idea they're even flying
or doing anything. Like you could take a whole crate
full of glass, shove it off a dock four foot
off the ground, ten foot off the ground, and it'll
hit the ground. The crate will literally crush in a
(11:26):
little bit. But you open it up and the glass
is one hundred percent like it's brand new that they
didn't even know there was a shot.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
So they use a lot of our creating for that
type of Stuff's.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Who's inventing this?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
You got an engineer or a few engineers at your company.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
So myself, I'm not an engineer at all.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
I just got a high school diploma, but I was
in the cargate the industry forever.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I met Guy.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Guy's the chemical guy who came up with this ink
and everything, and we put it onto our wrapping paper
and printed it on and tested it on all out
and it all just started working amazing. And then like
last year, we got a call from or actually two
years ago from like fire departments, can you use this
stuff to put out a lithium battery fire? And Guy
was like, not the exact thing. So we came up
(12:15):
with a brand new fire standisher which is being tested
already about twenty times, and it shuts off a lithium
battery fire on contact. Wow, heats it out and whenever
it's at the end of life, there's no HASMAC clean
up because it's one hundred percent organic.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Even if you got it in your eyes, you can
rinse it out of your eyes, just like you got
a little soap in your eyes.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
One of my listeners actually asked, do you have U
can you do you have a blanket that I can
keep in my garage? I guess like suspend it over
over the tesla so that and then like with a
temperature sensor, like sensing a fire could drop down onto
the Tesla and put out the fire.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
No, And if you've ever seen a tesla burn, and
I've seen probably more than four hundred of burn just
run under the floor.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
There's like four thousand of these batteries.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, and each one goes off with the force of
about a half a hand grenade.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
When they go off.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
So the fires, like, we just lost a bunch of
firefighters two years ago in Newark, New Jersey because a
bunch of these recycled cars were going over to Africa
to be recycled and they didn't know it was a
EV fire. They went down to the twelfth level. The
thing hit five thousand degrees very quickly, and who were
the fireman fell down and everybody evacuvated. They didn't even
(13:34):
find their gear everything. It literally burned from six and
a half days and almost sunk the ship.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
It was like twenty feet from sinking the ship. Wow.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
One more listener question, My garage can get really hot
like ninety five degrees, yes, soak and mine would it be?
Should I not store lithium batteries in there or is
that still fine?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
You're good up to two hundred degrees. I will tell
you do not do not, do not let them put
them in your attic. My brother in law ex brother
in law, he got solar panels put on his house
and they put the batteries in the attic.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
And I was warning them.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
And two months later my expoed means he goes, hey,
you know happened in this house.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I'm like no.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
His roof blew off into the neighbor's yard. The house
burned to the ground, filled the cats and dogs. Oh
my gosh, because they put their liftium.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Batteries for the solar panels in the attic.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Oh my gosh. Unbelievable, unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Roger mort Is COO and engineering genius of Packaging and
Creating Technologies also called packed pace t if you want
to learn more about their products. If you've got any
any use for any of this kind of stuff, and
it does seem like there are a lot of possible uses,
you can go look them up Packaging and Creating Technologies,
(14:53):
And if you forget any of that, just email me
and I'll remind you. Roger does a fabulous conversation. Thank
you so much.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Thank you, I appreciate it. Have a great day.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, you too.
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