07-23-25 - *FULL SHOW* Epstein Wrecking GOP; US-Japan Deal; Ozzy; No Denver Bridge

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It doesn't feel like Monday. It feels like Wednesday. I've

(00:02):
been my couple of days off. I would not say
we're vacation. We Christian. When I say we, my wife
Christian and I took our younger kid to look at
some colleges. And I'll have more to say about all
of that. It was an interesting experience. I actually won't
say it was as good an experience as I had hoped,

(00:23):
for reasons that I will explain a little bit later
and maybe even get your advice on some things. And
then I was supposed to get a flight at seven
something PM that would have gotten me back to Dia
around eleven home around midnight, you know, not much sleep.
And we changed our schedule a little bit for reasons

(00:44):
I'll explain later. And I got to the airport very
very early to try to get on another flight, and
I thought everything was going so well for me.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
So there was a flight. So I was scheduled on
a flight.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
At seven eighteen or something, and there's another flight at
four fifteen. So I got to the airport at two
thirty and I went to the United jeck in desk.
I said, hey, can you get me on this earlier flight.
The lady was very helpful. She said, yeah, I can
even confirm you don't have to go stand by. There's
enough open seats. I said, I'm not checking a bag,

(01:19):
so that's fine, and she confirmed me on that flight,
the four something PM flight, three.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Hours earlier than it might have been my flight would
have been. So then.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I go through security, fastest time ever for me to
get through security, So that was fabulous, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
This is how well it was going.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
I get in the security line and there's something of
a line, not a long line, whether there's a line,
and they decide to open another security lane right at
the point in that little webbed gate thingy, you know,
like you've got the little black cord that you pull
out and then snip a clip into the next post

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so you can just sort of lift it up and
open a created opening in the gate right there. So
they opened the gate to open the new lane right
where I was, so I was first, and I got
through so fast. So I get through everything really really fast.
And then I'm walking through the terminal about to look

(02:23):
to get something to eat, and on my right I
hear the gate agent call out all remaining past or
we are boarding all zones for Denver. So it turns
out there was a flight, like a two thirty flight

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that had been delayed because of weather. So I ran
up to the guy. And remember I'm not checking any suitcases.
I've got my little suitcase with me on my backpack.
And I ran up to the guy and everybody else's boarded.
The whole plane is boarded, but they haven't closed the door.
And I said, can you get me on this plane?
And long story short, yes, not only to get me
on a plane, but they had a pretty good seat.
I was like row ten on the aisle with extra

(03:07):
leg room. It was awesome. I'm like, oh my gosh,
everything is going so well. And so we pull away
from the gate and we go somewhere. But all the
I'm on the aisle, not in the window, so I
don't have any control over the window shades, and everybody
for some reason, has all their.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Window shades down. I have no idea why. Well, we go.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Somewhere and we stop, and then I hear the airplane
engines go off, and then the captain whose name was Tom.
He didn't tell us his last name, he just said
his name was Tom. He said he was up in
the cockpit with Bill, whose last.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Name we also didn't get.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Tom and Bill were in the cockpit and Tom said,
the weather there's a weather hole going into Denver. All
planes going into Denver, are you know grounded? If I
haven't taken off already. We need to hold here for
forty five minutes and then they will give us another update.

(04:07):
So they held us there for forty five minutes, and
then they said, all right, we're going to hold another
forty five minutes and then we'll get another update. And
then at the end of that time they said, all right,
now we're going back to the gate. So they take
us back to the gate and we all and so
at this point it's been more than an hour and
a half sitting on the ground. They probably well over that.

(04:31):
They take us back to the gate, and then after
a while I figured out what's going on, because they
didn't need to take us back to the gate, and
I will know when we went back to the gate.
The pilot did not get off the plane right. Sometimes
if a pilot's been going a long time, the pilot
gets off the plane because they're only allowed to work
a certain number of hours and after that, for I
guess safety reasons. You got to change pilots, so I

(04:53):
get it. But the pilot didn't get off the plane.
You know who got off the plane along with all
the rest of us who had get off the plane,
the flight attendants, the stewardess apparently.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
And I didn't.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I'm just surmising now because nobody told me this, But
apparently they have some kind of rule too, And I
guess they couldn't do the hour and fifty minute flight
to Denver, so we all had to get off the plane,
wander around for a while, be hungry, look at a
twenty three dollars cheeseburger in lax that I was not

(05:25):
gonna buy, and then get back on the plane with
new flight attendants. Long story short, landed in Denver at
ten something PM. And when I got on that plane,
they made me check my bag.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
They said the overheads were full. And I have this
very very.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Small suitcase that I bought just for this trip, just
so I wouldn't have to check it for the ride home,
because there is no major airport in America where the
luggage is worse than DIA and you always have to
wait forever. And I don't know how they get away
with it. It's been bad every year, all the time. It's
utterly insane, and yesterday was no different. They made me

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check my bag. It turned out there was room in
the overhead, but my bag was gone already, and so
then we landed like ten fourteen. My bag doesn't come
out until ten fifty. And then I get my bag
at car, drive home, get to bed around midnight, kind
of around the same time that I would have gotten

(06:30):
to bed if I hadn't gotten to the airport four
hours early and gotten on an earlier flight. Oh not really,
United's fault, bad weather. The rules are the rules. It's
not like they're gonna be able to force the flight
attendants to break the rules and work harder or whatever.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
So I'm mad.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
I'm not mad at United. It's nobody's fault. It's just
a little frustrating. What is somebody's fault is a seventeen
dollars buffalo chicken wrap at Lax. Yeah, that is somebody's fault.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I don't know who. It is.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
One little tub of yogurt that you buy for you know,
eighty cents or a dollar or a dollar in a
quarter at King Supers is five dollars and ninety five cents.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
At the airport. Right, Okay, So we did have some
good news yesterday.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
You will recall we talked on the show, and I
think we talked.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
We talked with the governor. We talked with.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Jared Polis about his plan idea for this big windy
bridge going from the state capitol or whatever the big
park is over there, a bridge it's supposed to look
like a river and so on, and he realized there
was a lot of pushback against it, so he decided
to ask the public, what do you think we should do?
And he said he hoped that the results of the

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poll would not be close because he didn't want to
be in a situation where it was fifty one forty
nine and he had to pick a side. And so
I said to you, hey, let's help him not make
this close. Let's all just go vote no because this
is silly, so waste of money. It's not an ugly bridge,
but it doesn't look right there, and let's just help
him have this not be close. So yesterday the governor

(08:08):
announced that there were over eighty seven thousand, almost eighty
eight thousand total votes.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
On this question of you know, what what should we do?
With this bridge, and.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
The question actually was should Colorado proceed with the proposed
one hundred and fiftieth anniversary walkway at the state Capitol
Complex in Denver.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Eighty seven, six hundred and eighty six.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Total votes, of which eighty two thousand, three hundred and
thirteen ninety four percent were no. So now so now,
Governor Poulos has announced that he will be He will
be vows to chain himself to the Colorado Capitol Plaza
in order to in order to stop the bridge from
being built if someone is to continue to try to

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build it.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Thank you very much for playing along and making sure
that this question was not close. It was a bad
idea to begin with a little later in the show,
off all goes according to plan, I'll have Willy be
join me in studio to talk a bit about Ozzy.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
I think Willy was on with Mandy yesterday. I think
I was.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
I was out of town, so I'm not one hundred
percent sure about that, but in any case, we'll you know,
rest in peace. I mean serious rock legend, a guy
who really made a massive difference.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
I mean people talk about him as kind of.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
The founder or that band, the founders of heavy metal music.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Kind of an amazing thing, actually.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
So let's see a couple people, a couple of listener
texts I want to address. Let's see where does one
go as a pilot. I hate timing out and stranding passengers.
Ninety to one hundred percent of it is out of
my control. And yeah, like I said, the timing out,
and I guess that's the term meaning you're not allowed

(09:56):
to work any longer due to various safety or union
regular or whatever. That appeared yesterday to not be a
pilot issue but rather a flight attendant issue, because the
pilot stayed on the plane the whole time. It was
only the flight attendants who got off with all of us.
So what was the other thing? Enough, that's enough of that,

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So let's talk about the Late Show for a minute.
So CBS canceling the Late Show with Stephen Colbert.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I've got a couple of good stories about this on
the blog. I got a lot of really good stuff
on the blog today.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
But I saw something that kind of jumped out at me,
and that is that somebody, I guess leaked I don't
know that it was an official news release of any kind,
but apparently it was at least leaked that the Late
Show was losing somewhere between forty and fifty million dollars

(10:55):
a year and something Probably a little under half of
that was just Stephen colbert salary. But as we talked
about before, putting on a show like that requires lots
and lots of people and a lot of space, and
it's a very expensive thing to do.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
And so they pulled the plug.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
And you know, Colbert makes a kind of logical mistake
that I think a lot of people made, but I
explained it on the show last week. He's second in
the ratings Colbert in that late night time slot, we
behind Guttfeld, who absolutely dominates on Fox News. Then what
you've got left, essentially is the three big Old Line

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Broadcast Networks with Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon.
And Kimmel is killing I'm sorry, Colbert is killing the
other two. He's way ahead of them, and so he
is asking in a way, Colbert is kind of asking, well,
how is it possible that we got all these big
losses when we're killing the other guys? And the answer is,

(11:58):
you're you're killing the other guys. But you're also down.
Everybody's down. Far fewer people are watching those shows, in
part because those shows went out of their way to
offend Republicans and conservatives.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
And Trump supporters. So Cole put aside Gutfeld.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Now among the three old line networks that do these
kinds of late night shows and have for a long
long time, Colbert has the biggest piece of a much
smaller pie than it used to be, because because first
of all, Gutfeld has taken a lot, and then again
they just turned off.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
So many people and part of the thing.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
And I'm I'm not alone in this, but I also
don't think everybody agrees with me.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Colbert is not funny.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
He's pedantic, he's condescending, he's boring.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
And I may have this in an article somewhere, it
might be on the blog.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
I don't remember, but somebody was comparing Colbert to Johnny
Carson in this way. So when you watch Johnny Carson
back in the day, or even David Letterman, Jay Leno,
these guys, they would have the guests on and.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
At that moment, during that segment, the.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Guest is the star and the host is the facilitator
who's aiming to get the best they can out of
the guest and an interesting conversation out of the guest,
and let the guests be the guest and do all
that guesty stuff. But with Colbert, it's not like that.
Colbert is the star and the guests who are there
are just there to like be a foil to Colbert,

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and it's all about him, and it's boring and it's
not funny. And I think and they've all become that
way to a certain degree, and I think that's part
of the reason these shows are not successful anymore, not
successful enough. So the question then remains is what will
the other networks do if they're even further behind Colbert,

(13:55):
and Colbert deserve to be canceled? What will the other
networks do? We'll be right back, all right, I'll just
start talking.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Don't worry, Shannon, don't worry about the music. It's okay.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
We don't need we don't need any black Sabbath right now.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Actually we do, all right, So Shannon, are you queuing
up the TV thing that we were talking about? All right?

Speaker 1 (14:13):
But one quick thing I'm gonna mention before we get
to what's going on in Idaho, which I do want
to take for a minute, but I want to let
you know that we are doing a cool thing here
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remember a teacher who made a difference in our lives,
who believed in us, challenged us, or just made learning fun.
I can think of one in particular. I won't go

(14:35):
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Speaker 3 (15:06):
Go do that.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Okay, So what's going on in Idaho right now is
the opportunity for families of the victims of this lunatic
mass murderer whose name I will not use, to hear
from him. It's it's unclear to me whether they get
to speak to him. Can you tell Shannon, I don't

(15:28):
think they're really yeah, impact statements, right so they might
look at him, they might say whatever.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
They're going to say, but let's just drop in and
have a listen. It's hard to heal.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Now.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
This is no longer perfect.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
After Maddie's loss, Karen felt issues, spinning out emotionally, emotionally
collapsing in anxiety, into anxiety and depression. She sometimes asks,
how am I supposed to go on when I've lost
my favorite person on the word world. I felt the same,

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and we continue to struggle. The loss of many has
impacted so many beyond our family, her second family as
her sorority sisters who grieve grieve alongside us. She has
so many close friends who suffer from her loss. We

(16:27):
will We will continue to be Her loss will continue
to be felt by the Vandal community, including Bandals Solutions
on campus, where she volunteered her time for others. It

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helps us to know that he is in heaven, now
freed from the trials of this earth. We, however, continue
to live on without the grace and support of our presence.
We will grow old without our only child, our bright,
beautiful friend and daughter. In the end, there are no

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words that can accurately capture the devastation of losing Mattie.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
We will endure and we will go on for Mattie.
We will not let our grief consume us.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
For Mattie, we will continue to love and care for
our family and friends, including the families of Kaylee, Senna,
and Ethan.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
We will remain united with them. We can only hope.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
That others out there suffering similar losses can look to
us and see that we can overcome hatred, darkness, and evil.
We know the law allows us to comment on the
defendant and a sentence. That's for a sentence. We support
the plea agreements. Society needs to be protected against this evil.

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That's for the defendants. Will we will not wish the words,
nor will we nor will we fall into hatred and bitterness.
Evil has many faces, and we now know this, but
evil does not deserve our time and attention.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
We are done being victims.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
We are taking back our lives.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
We will turn our time, talents, and attention to hope,
healing and helping others and to the future.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
We invite all.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Those who have suffered with us on this on this.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
To join us in our journey.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
We can make this world a better place. We can
move on from tragedy.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
All right.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
That's that's a gentleman named Scott Laramie, who's the stepfather
of Maddie Mogan, one of the victims of this heinous killer.
I would not pretend, even for a moment, to be
able to put myself in the minds of these families,
and nor would I even really want to try. Life

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is hard enough without having to do that.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Well.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
I was thinking about this on my drive into work
this morning, if I were one of them, And by
the ways, interesting to hear that gentleman say he supports
the plea deal, because there's another one.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Who's been all over the media.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
I think Kaylee's dad, I think who very very much
opposes the plea deal. But in any case, I don't
want to go too far or down this road because
I just can't. I can't project that I don't want
to try. Really, what do I think I would want
to know if I were one of those families? And

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what wouldn't I want to know? And I just one
of each came to my mind. I'm just going to
say this and then move on.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
But I think.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
I wouldn't want to know.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
More about exactly what happened that night. I would.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
I would not want to know more details of how
my loved one died. I would want to know a
little more or a lot more about motive. Why did
you do this? Are you just out of your mind?
Were you angry at somebody? It's not really going to

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get your closure.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Nothing?

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Well, right, I mean, my brother passed away, but it
was an accident, and you know, especially for my mom,
there is kind of such thing as closure.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
And that was just an accident. But I think if
I were one.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Of those family members, I think I would like to
have a better understanding of why, but maybe not a
better understanding of.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
What slash how.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
And again it's obviously superpersonal and everybody's going to have
their own things. I'm just telling you what I what
I think my thinking would be, and God willing, neither
I nor anybody I ever know will be in a
situation like this. But I will tell you when my
brother passed away, my brother, Oh you know what, I'm
very unprepared.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Because of traveling and all. But I just.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Today is my brother's birthday. My brother would be fifty
six today. You know, I got to go find some
of my brother. There's music to play for you on
the show. I have it somewhere, I'm gonna go find
it and we'll take care of that. But my brother

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passed away by essentially falling off a cliff, which is
stupidly ironic because his name was Cliff. But he really
liked rock climbing, not so much mountain climbing, but rock climbing.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
And he was.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Hiking in a place near Lake Tahoe I think called
Desolation Wilderness, and I guess he got near the edge
of some place where there were rock climbers kind of
scaling a wall or something below him, and we think
that he went over to try to get a look

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at them and slipped on some loose rocks that were
on kind of an angle there and went over the edge.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
And it's very hard for me to even talk about this.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Normally, I don't even say that level of detail, because
you know, I still have more than two hours of
radio show to get through, and.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
I'll just get through this.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
As fast as I can, because otherwise I won't be
able to.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
So I was asked. I was asked first of all.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
At the funeral, there couldn't be an open casket because
of the damage to my brother.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
We couldn't see him, couldn't say goodbye like that. They said, no,
you don't want to do that.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
And then somebody it might even have been my sister,
asked Ross, would you like to go to this place?

Speaker 2 (23:45):
To this place where he was hiking.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
And by the way, we think he was hiking with
a bunch of heavy rocks in a backpack to train
for a big hike up mountaineer that he wanted to
do at some point, so we think he was basically training,
so he had weights on him with rocks in a backpack.
And again I think it was my sister who said,
would you like to go there to Desolation wilderness and

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go to the place and for closure? And I said,
hell no, I said, I don't ever want to go there.
I don't really even want to think about it. I don't.
That would be the opposite of closure for me. It
would be like, you know, ripping off a scab or something.

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And again, you know, my brother died just a stupid accident.
He wasn't taken by somebody else's actions, which as again,
how what do I know. I don't know anybody who's

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been murdered. I don't know anybody who knows anybody I
don't know anybody who's had a family member who's been
murdered that I know of, and I know of, And
that's gotta be worse, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
It's got to be worse. Anyway, I'm not going to
add more there.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
I must be not paying very close attention to life
if I didn't even, you know, start the show by
telling you it would be my brother's birthday today. But
it would be my brother's birthday today. All right, Let's
let me do some other things. I just got to
get away from this, and I will get you some

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of my brother's music, and we'll I do this basically
every July twenty third, I play some of my brother's music.
So I'm going to get to that just a little
bit later in the show. I'll go find the audio
somewhere and I'll play some for you. So let me
do some other stories from National Review. The US Olympic

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and Paralympic Committee quietly updated its eligibility rules to prevent
men from participating on women's teams in compliance with an
executive order from Donald Trump. This is an article from
yesterday at National Review dot com. The committee changed the
rule on Monday, amending its Athlete Safety Policy to imply
that males will be prevented from participating in women's divisions.

(26:17):
The document did not use the word transgender in any
of its twenty seven pages.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Quote.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
The USOPC continues to collaborate with various stakeholders with oversight
responsibilities to ensure that women have a fair and safe
competition environment, consistent with Executive Order one four to two h one.
That is an executive order that is entitled Keeping Men
Out of Women's Sports that Trump signed on February fifth
of this year, and the order said that allowing men

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to participate in women's sports is quote demeaning, unfair, and
dangerous to women and girls, and denies women and girls
the equal opportunity to participate and excel in competitive sports.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
End quote.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
By the way, that is all not just true, it's
obviously true. The order instructed the Secretary of State to
quote use all appropriate and available measures to see that
the International Olympic Committee amen's the standards governing Olympic sporting
events to promote fairness, safety, and the best interests of
female athletes by ensuring that eligibility for participation in women's

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sporting events is determined according to sex, not gender identity
or testosterone reduction. A recent poll from NBC found that
three quarters of Americans, including two thirds of gen Z,
believe men should not be allowed to participate in women's sports.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
By the way, this is kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
This is just the US Olympic and Paralympic Committee's decision.
It's not the IOC, it's not the International Olympic Committee.
And that means that it's possible that other countries.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Will allow men on their.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Women's teams, biological men or whatever you want. Again, I'll
just for people who are new to the show, for
people who don't know me, I'll just give this caveat
that I probably do more often than.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
I need to.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
I got nothing against transgender people. Seriously, go live your life.
Be happy. You know, if you truly believe that, and
you truly believe you know you're wired differently and that
your body is wrong. I can't exactly understand it, but
I don't begrudge it.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
I don't dislike you.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
I want you, just like all of my friends and
all of my listeners and every person of goodwill, to
go be happy. But you can't do it at the
expense of the happiness of dozens or hundreds or thousands
of others by creating unfair competition, having somebody who went

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through puberty as a boy as a male now competing
against a female in an activity where physical strength and
the advantages you get of having gone through puberty as
a male matter. And I don't actually think this is
a difficult question. I think it's a really really easy question.
I don't think I'm saying anything that most people listening

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to the show would find controversial.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
I saw a story over it Denver.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
G Is that why the women's soccer team went with
Denver summit over Colorado Summit? Oh, it wants me to
log in, and I'm not going to right now, But
I remember the story well enough, and there were a
bunch of possible choices for the women's professional soccer team
that they're going to do in Denver and build a special,
a dedicated stadium.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Just for that.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Well it might not be just for that, but that
would be the primary thing, and then they can use
it for other things too.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
If they want to.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
And it's just kind of a funny thing that they
went with Denver Summit, even though there is no summit
in Denver. I think there's a place called Ruby Hill
or something that's a little bit higher than the rest
of Denver, but that's like as high as Summit as
there is in Denver. I read I think it was
in this article that the high point that is technically
in Denver is somewhere near Kipling in Bellevue, right, So

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it's it's like a little.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Bump in the in the plains east of the east
of the foothills.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
And but they went with Denver Summit over Colorado Summit
in part because I think they really want to focus
it as being a Denver team, and and maybe they
just think it sounds a little better too, the Denver Summit,
you know, versus Colorado Summit.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
I mean, we've got the Denver Broncos and the Colorado Rockies.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
So you tell me. But in any case, that's that's
the name of the team.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
I mentioned to you a few days ago after The
Wall Street Journal published this rather silly article about.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
A letter slash drawing in a.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Birthday book that was put together for Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
And the letter might or might not be from Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Its signed Donald and it's got a typewritten letter that
was clearly not written by Trump because it uses a
kind of language that he would never use, and it's
a drawing of kind of an outline of a nude
female body and so on, and it's Trump says he
doesn't draw pictures, doesn't draw naked women. We know he

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doesn't write words like the words there. So it's unclear
whether Trump actually produced that letter.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
And the Wall Street Journal thing.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Doesn't actually say that Trump produced that letter. It just
says this thing is in the book and it appears
to be signed by Donald Trump. So they didn't make
it anything up, and I'm sure they can prove it.
And what I mentioned to you is that if this
goes to trial, Trump will lose, and Trump doesn't like losing.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
So that's one reason that I think it won't go
to trial.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
I think he's going to try to scare them into
offering some kind of apology or settlement or something, and
I think they won't because I think they know they're
in the right, and I also think they know that
Donald Trump is temporary and they are forever. The same
way that bureaucrats tend to think about things, right, the
so called deep state, right, they think, and this is
not about Donald Trump. Now, there's a generalizable thing. They think, well,

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this president, this guy is going to be here for
four years or eight years, but we're gonna be here
for twenty years, and this department will be here for
one hundred years, and so we can sort of coast
along and do as little as possible if we don't
agree with what he's I mean, it's not how they're
supposed to behave, but a lot of them do think
that way, and the Wall Street Journal probably thinks that way.
We've been around way before Trump, will be around way

(32:32):
after Trump. But also there is a certain level of
principle there, even though it was a dumb article, there's
a certain level of principle there that we didn't say.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Anything wrong, we didn't lie, we didn't.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Do anything false and militious, and we are not going
to cave in at all. Here's the other thing that
Politico notes. I'm just gonna mention this quickly. If this
were to go to trial, the Wall Street Journal would
then be able to get discovery against Donald Trump and
ask him for anything he has about his relationship with
Jeffrey Epstein. And then they would do their own stuff

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and probably put more into the public domain about Trump's
relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, and I don't think Trump wants
any of that, and that's why I think this case
is going nowhere. The last few years, we've talked a
bit on the show about a really interesting event put
on by the University of Colorado, often sponsored by the

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Nursing School, but it's a very broad event, Partnerships for
Veteran and Military Health Conference. So joining us to talk
more about what he's going to do with the conference,
and then I can give you more info about the conference,
and it's up on the blog at Rosskominsky dot com,
so you can find more about the conference. But joining
us talk about what he's doing is Jake Rodemacher, who

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he put out a film some years ago called Brothers
at War, a documentary film that he produced following US
soldiers in the Iraq War. And he's got a new
film that just came out this year, Brothers After War,
that's going to be screened at this conference.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
So Jake, welcome to Kowa, thanks for being.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Here, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
So your film is not just a film, it's not
just tell it. It is telling a story, multiple stories.
But you've got a purpose, So tell us about the purpose.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, what's interesting about this film.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
When I originally made Brothers at War was because my
brothers told me the truth wasn't making it out of
a rack. So I went overseas and I embedded in
an Isaac's unit, and then eventually three more units and
made that film.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
This film was made for a different purpose.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
The first film sort of transformed into a workshop that's
been done for about fifty thousand service members and their families.
So our service members would see a piece of their
story in that story, and then we journal and have
a conversation about it. And so with this new film,
the Gary Sneeze Foundation said, we want you to make
a follow up film. We love your vision on that,

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but please also make a seminar for veterans.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
So the film is a film.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
It played in movie theaters, it played in Denver, and
it's out on digitally and on DVD. But the real
purpose behind it in many ways is the seminars. The
conversations the film kick off and in fact, you see
me leading a seminar with about a thousand soldiers back
from the Middle East at the beginning of the film.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
And that's sort of what I've gone on to do.
And so this film, it's not only a film to be.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
Enjoyed and to learn more about our veterans and whatnot,
but it's also for the folks who've.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Lived this life.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
It's a jumping off point to do a little introspection
or journaling, or also to have a conversation with their
loved ones about their experiences.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Your first film was significantly about your brothers. What about
the second film?

Speaker 5 (35:48):
So the second film, Isaac and both in the film,
you know, they're no longer a corporal and a captain.
They're now a battalion commander and a master sergeant. They've
gone on to deploy. We join Isaac on his seventh
deployment in the film. Joe's deployed nine times. But the
film is not just about them. It's I follow up
with those my two brothers and ten other veterans friends

(36:08):
I made in Iraq in the four in beds in
three months that I spent there. So the film, you know,
my concept as a filmmaker was I wanted to tell
the story of the veteran of a veteran through the
story of twelve veterans.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Is this about?

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Is this primarily about what it's like going from military
life to civilian life.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
What else does it cover?

Speaker 3 (36:34):
It's that is definitely a huge theme in the film.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
You see some of the service members have left service
a long time ago, and we cut from a moment
in Iraq to the present day. Others have recently separated
from service, like you know, big Ern has left a
year ago after twenty years and seven deployments and is
struggling with that loss of identity.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
And then my brothers are looking at the end of
the road.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
You know, Joe is planning on and getting hitting in
his twenty years and rolling into the next part of
his life. And Isaac has just found out during the
course of the film he's not going to get promoted
to fulbrid colonel and therefore his career will have to
come to an end. So that is definitely a huge
part of the film. You know, one of my friends
said what he thought the magic of the film was
you saw the warfighter in the war zone, and you

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flash to the veteran.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
They become Wow, it's not the primary reason that you're here.
But is there anything you want to say in particular
about this The partnerships for Veteran and Military Health Conference.
And by the way, folks, this is September third to
fifth of this year, September third to fifth, twenty twenty five,
and it's at the cun Shoots Medical Medical Center Medical Campus.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
And again we talk.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
About this every year because it's such a worthy thing
to do, both my parents being veterans of course, but
you know, I don't you're not primarily here to talk
about the event, but do.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
You want a say anything about that?

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah, it's going to be a great event.

Speaker 5 (38:02):
And I when I was when I was, you know,
they approached me and asked me to be a part
of it. With the release of the film this year
and everything we do with the seminars, you know, I'm
really excited about it.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
I've had a.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
Chance to do some of these conferences over the years,
and for myself it's enlightening because it allows me to
know what other resources are out there. You know, if
someone's talking to me about where they are in their
life and they want to get to the next point,
if there at point B they want to get to see,
it's nice to know other programs that are out there.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
You know.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
Marcus's too for brain health for once, for one, is
somebody who we've sort of worked with in the Avalon
Network and the Gary Sneeze Foundation, and so I know,
if somebody sounds like me, maybe a traumatic brain injury,
you know, I can kind of refer them to that group.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
I can say, go take a look at that. You know.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
So these things are very valuable, whether they'll either benefit
yourself or a veteran in your life, you know, a
family member. I think it's it's great to kind of
get an overview and get a sense of of, you know,
what is being done in the space, what are the breakthroughs,
and what resources are out there for our veterans, you know,
for brothers after war.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
We're sort of like a.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
First stop, you know, the things we showcase our storytelling
and the power of that. You know, the ancient Greeks
created theater for their veterans to tell the rest of
society what going to war was like and what coming
home was like when the ancient Greeks said war started.
And then we're tapping into you know, warriors circles and
it's a Native American thing. Journaling is something Marcus Aurelius

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and Julius Caesar, you know, warriors have used that for
thousands of years to make sense of their experience. So
we're teaching that technique in our seminars. And then the
ability to communicate and tell your story or what's going
on or get to your feelings. You know, that's a
key aspect for healing. But there are a lot of
things you can go do beyond that or separate from that,
or that are great techniques for a certain type of

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experience or a certain thing where you might be stuck.
So I love conferences like this because you know, for
somebody who's going to tend, it's a great experience, but
it's also great for the folks like myself who we
have a particular specialty, we have a particular contribution. But
I want to know what everything else is going on
in the space so I can direct, you know, friends

(40:14):
and colleagues and people that go through our seminars to
something that they might get some help and relief and
turn a corner in their life.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
This year's Partnerships for Veteran and Military Health Conference is
September third through fifth at the Anshoots Medical Center campus
and information is on my website at Rosscominsky dot com
or if you can't find it, just email me and
I'll get you the information.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
At the end of the event, they'll be screening Jake.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Rodemacher's new movie, Brothers After War, the follow on to
his great documentary from some years earlier called Brothers at War.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Jake, thank you so much for what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Congratulations on not just success, but success. It's something so important,
so I'm grateful and want to say congratulations as well.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Thank you so much for the opportunity to come and
talk to you about it today.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Glad to do it, Glad to do it. All right,
that's Jake Rodemacher. His new movie is called Brothers After War.
You can learn more about the conference I just described
on my website at Rosscominski dot com, or you can
probably look it up on the Google machine. Pv MHC
pv MHC Conference Partnerships for Veterans and Military Health Conference.

(41:29):
Dad Ozzy Osbourne passed away at the age of seventy six.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Speaking of music, I.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Just want to share a few seconds with you. I'm
not even sure what I want to play here, but
my brother passed away quite a few years ago now,
and one of the things my family and I remember
him by.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Is his music. He was.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
He took some music lessons as a kid, but then
mostly he was self taught, and he played piano and guitar,
and I think he played some wind instrument as well.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
And then he was a computer nerd. And now we're.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Talking about the nineteen no no, no, yeah, mostly in
the nineties, mostly in the nineties. He passed away in
two thousand and four, and just think about what computer
technology was like in the nineties. But my brother already
had gotten some kind of fancy software on his computer

(42:26):
where he would record himself playing an instrument, record himself
playing a different instrument, record himself singing, and then mix
them together and make songs like a literal one man band.
And let me just see if I can share a
little of this with you.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
I haven't.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
I don't remember you know where I should jump in
here to really get the best part.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
But let's just jump in a little bit. I'm gonna
move ahead a little in each other's up. And it's

(43:14):
you and you raise me.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
Stay the hand always gone with the loop. Well I've
half away and I'm taking my blow. We had a
up and down and that's whe go. But I just
can't walk to the dietle.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
I just can't fall noettle.

Speaker 7 (43:48):
I just can't walk.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
The diettle, can't any head. I know it's all worth while,
all right. That's that's my younger brother. Today is his birthday.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
It's a very strange thing that, you know, in my mind,
I'll always be thirty four, thirty five.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
He doesn't age, you know, I'll.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Tell you he He passed away maybe a year and
a half. Yeah, a year and a half before my
oldest kid was born. And I think my oldest kid
in particular, even more than my my younger kid.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Would really have enjoyed meeting my brother.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
They're very similar personality, is very sensitive, creative. My brother
liked drawing, and he's very right brain kind of guy,
whereas I'm not. And I that is one of my
great regrets. And I don't mean it's a regret in
the sense that it's something I had control over, because
I didn't. But if there's if there's anything I could

(45:00):
change about how my life has, you know, played out,
and again, outside of anything I could possibly control, it
would be that my brother and my children, especially my oldest,
would have had a chance to meet each other, joining
me in Studio.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
The one and only Willie B legendary.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Rock DJ in Colorado, morning show host on KBP I
which absolutely rocks the Rockies one O, seven to nine.
And Willy B is uh he is the best person
in this whole building and U and the most generous
person in this whole building. You know what, I actually
I want to do a quick thing before we talk
about Ozzie, because I just I know it's only the

(45:46):
middle of the year, but just a little put some
thoughts in people's heads about cars for Christmas starts for
us starts. Okay, so for listeners who might be new
to the me Nudi, you can you just tell us
a little about cars for Christmas.

Speaker 8 (45:59):
Cars for Christmas program I've done now for twenty three years.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
I gift cars at Christmas.

Speaker 8 (46:06):
It's you know, it's nothing more than it's funny, because
the people tell you it's freedom. It's independence. It's the
ability to go get groceries by themselves, not rely on
family friends for a ride. It's really a sense of
freedom they haven't been able to obtain for various reasons.
And it's really just the to me, it's one of
the biggest most immediate come ups you can present to

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somebody because if they're struggling, trying to find a job
in today's environment, trying to take care of bills, or
get kids to and from or family things that we
all do and take for granted, if you don't have
a car, it becomes an immense challenge.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
And we start in August fixing these cars.

Speaker 8 (46:42):
I've got cars donated from the Oi Group, great dealerships they've.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Been this year.

Speaker 8 (46:47):
I think I'm gonna probably gift more Mini Coopers than
ever because I've got it several of those. But we start,
we start turning wrenches on cars August, the first weekend
in August or the first week Wednesday, whichever happens first.
We turn rinches to start into August. We don't stop
till the end of January.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
And we gift. Last year we gifted thirty seven cars. Wow.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
So just so folks understand, So people donate cars to
Willy and the Cars for Christmas projects. He and his
friends fix up anything that needs to be fixed up
themselves with their own hands and spending their own money
on their parts. Although you are welcome to donate as
well to contribute to the cost of that.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
What's the website.

Speaker 8 (47:29):
So I'm rebuilding the website as we speak, so maybe
down today. I'm planning on having it back up this
weekend because we air on a national TV show this
weekend for the first time. Sice pretty cool. It's a
Willibfoundation dot org. It's my five o'h one c three.
Every penny that goes into that goes back into the cars. Now,
you probably are aware of how much an oil chains

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costs nowadays, and how much an alternator or a serpentine
ballot or a starter or suspension opponents.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
They cost an immense amount. One of the biggest.

Speaker 8 (47:59):
Increases and price that we've had over the last five
years is automotive parts.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
It's insane.

Speaker 8 (48:04):
They've increased about eighty eighty five percent just on what
alternator costs you and what different parts cost you.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Some nuts.

Speaker 8 (48:11):
So to get these cars repaired is man, it's I
spend easily one thousand, two thousand dollars minimal just getting
the normal parts they need, tires, batteries, brakes per car,
per car, a lot of it being your own personal money. Yeah. Now,
fortunately we've been doing some fundraising, so yeah, I normally

(48:32):
try to fundraise and you know, try to raise, you know,
twenty to thirty.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Grand to spend on parts.

Speaker 8 (48:38):
I go through that by November and then after that
it's you know, it's me and whatever I can do
to rally and for the rest of the parts.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
So folks, Willy be foundation as you said. As Willy said,
the site might be down for a day or two.
But if you want to donate a car, and again
it's five o' one c three, so you can write
this stuff off. You can donate money, you can donate
a car, and then Willie takes nominations.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Talk about this process for.

Speaker 8 (49:04):
A same website willibefoundation dot org. You'll be able to
nominate somebody and it's simple. You can nominate yourself, so
don't feel like somebody has to nominate you. You can
nominate a family member or friend yourself, and you simply
describe your scenario and we do a little bit of
vetting and I'll talk to you several times throughout the process.
But if your message, if your story strikes a chord,

(49:25):
we set it aside and we go through several thousand,
sat thousands of these every year. Last year I think
it was over three thousand. Wow, so a lot of entries.
You know, for forty cars. I've given away more than
that before and years. It's just how I'm able to
get cars and finance them or procure them or whatever.

(49:46):
So if I can get more cars, we get more away.
But we were really busy man. From August through January,
wednesdays and weekends we start wrenching, and normally sometime in
the September beginning of October, we take two days during
week and donate it our time. And this is the
time away from family. This is hard wrenching, you guys.
We leave dirty, filthy, sweaty. It's normally throughout the winter

(50:10):
months where it's cold. We got a propane heater in
this five or six of us guys working and wrenching
from three in the afternoon until nine o'clock at night.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Well, all right, I hope you can contribute either cash
or a car.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
And then also if you know.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Somebody who could really benefit it was doing life the
right way, right, like taking three bus rides to get
to work and got kids at home and is trying
to do everything right. But his life or her life
would be transformed with a car. Those are the people
Willy's looking for, ye, So get in touch Willie b Foundation.

(50:46):
If you forget any of that, just get in touch
with me and I'll send Jill Long And.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Your listener has been great, man, it'd be awesome. So
let's talk.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
About Ozzy Osbourne because not only are you like the
heavy metal DJ in the Rocky Mountains, but you've.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Talked to him, you've met him.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Yeah, and I don't know anybody else who've met him,
So just tell us some things.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
It's Ozzy's amazing.

Speaker 8 (51:11):
So for those that don't know, think about all the
influences he's had. He you know, he formed Black Sabbath.
For those that don't know Ozzy, he got in trouble
as a kid. He put a note up in a
music store in Birmingham, England, said Ozzie.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Zig needs a gig.

Speaker 8 (51:27):
The people that answered that little note, that called him
were the future members of Black Sabbath.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
So that was nineteen sixty eight. Some wild stories about Ozzi.

Speaker 8 (51:38):
Everybody knows that he went through, you know, just years
of drug abuse. Everybody's aware that been nineteen seventy nine,
Black Sabbath fired him.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
He spent four months after that.

Speaker 8 (51:48):
I actually spoke with him one time during an interview
about that moment. He's like, well, I spent four months
in a hotel room and all like he doesn't recall
any of it. He's spent four months drunk and on drugs,
and it was Sharon that saved him. Now a lot
of people don't even know Sharon's side of these quations.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
You know, Sharon.

Speaker 8 (52:08):
This is another interesting story. Black Sabbath when they first formed,
were a big hit. Fairly early people caught loved what
they were doing. Black Sabbath didn't want to hire a manager.
A guy named Don Don Arkin or Arden. He wanted
to be their manager. Sharon was his daughter. They turned
down every management company up until Don showed up and
Ozzy met her when they went to his office and said,

(52:30):
we need to hire this guy as our manager so
he could see Sharon more so was that was how
funny is that of Ozzie. He didn't want a manager
until he saw Sharon, which was Don Arkin's daughter. That's
how he That's why he teamed Black Sabbath with Don
at the time they became, you know, a powerful force
in rock and roll for several years thereafter, and it

(52:52):
was Sharon had saved him. Another story about Sharon, Yeah,
one time Ozzy was in a hotel and he was
on a bender. And funny story, Ozzie would always get dressed.
He would get hammerd on, yeah, alcohol or drugs. She
was tired of it. She stole all his clothes. I said,
I'm gonna keep it from going out, and the only
way to do it is steal your clothes.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
She stole his.

Speaker 8 (53:10):
Pants, she throw his underwear, she stole all his shirts.
And that way he wouldn't leave the hotel room. You
know what Ozzie did, He put on one of her
dresses and he went out in one of her dresses
and bought himself some whiskey.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
And brought it, brought it back to the hotel room.
But he really.

Speaker 8 (53:28):
He was a man that you look at all the
years that he's been doing that, and you look at
all the years he turned his life around and was
such a positive influence on everybody. Everybody is influenced by
Black Sabbath or Ozzy through the years.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
He was the MTV era for gen xers.

Speaker 8 (53:42):
Yeah, you know, closed my Eyes Forever for the for
MTV Kids was like a monumental video.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
You know, Yeah, that's that's me, you know, right, that's
my years.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yeah, So I don't want to overstretch this analogy too much,
but you know, some people talk about Rush Limbaugh as
a guy without whom the industry of talk radio basically
wouldn't exist. How do you think about Ozzie in terms
of his role in kind of the creation of the

(54:14):
entire genre of heavy metal.

Speaker 8 (54:17):
So before Black Sabbath formed, listen to this Ozzie's musical influence.
The hardest thing he could find was the Beatles at
the time, and he was inspired by the Beatles of
all things, but he.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Wanted to do it different. He wanted to do it harder.

Speaker 8 (54:32):
He had a different message that he wanted to get
through Black Sabbath. For people that don't know, they're given
the nod for creating what's now considered to be metal music.
You know, it's a whole genre of music. It's right
to express yourself. This different than the traditional country means
or rat means or anything like that. But Ozzie was
the very first and his what do you vision his

(54:57):
sight on what his message wanted to be needed be
for that time, it exploded and that was the birth
of a whole new generation of music, and so many
people were influenced and moved by that over the years.
You can't even put a thumbprint on the number of people.
And I'm not just talking about Black Sabbath, but Ozzi
as a solo artist. The pop culture side from the Osbourne's,

(55:19):
it was really a first reality show. You could not
watch that show and not love the rock and roll
metal grandfather who was just an ordinary guy who complained
with a dog, took a dump in the kitchen. You know,
who was seen in pajamas all the time. You know
that that was the grandfather of metal that we all
learned to love.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Often, the frontman, the singer in a band is the
one who gets really famous.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
With Black Sabbath, would you say that Ozzi.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Really was the driving force and the vision and all
that more than the I'm sure the other guy's pretty
creative and good.

Speaker 8 (55:54):
Too, But Peter Butler and Tony Iomi, all those guys
they followed Ozzie. They were never the same when they
fired Ozzie in nineteen seventy nine.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah, they were never much after that.

Speaker 8 (56:06):
Ozzie went on to do his solo stuff and we
all know the story and Ozzie, you know, teams up
had a massive solo career. One of the few artists
in the world has ever been inducted into Hall of
Fame for both the band and his solo career. So
as Black Sabbath inducted the Hall of Fame and as
a solo artist, he was I'm gonna have to look

(56:26):
up who did that? Who else could have done it?
Stevie Nicks, There's just a.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Small maybe some of the Eagles maybe something like that.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
So when this is of course by you, now, when
did you personally get into heavy metal music and was
it the first music you really loved or did you grow.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Up No, I grew up on So I grew up
in Kentucky.

Speaker 8 (56:46):
There wasn't really a rock station per se when I
when I grew up, I grew up in Winchester, Kentucky.
So the only rock station that we had played things
like The Doors and Jimmy, which was kind of a
lazy classic rock for me.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
I really got into rock.

Speaker 8 (57:06):
Like I was a big fan of Metallica early on Pantera.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Early on.

Speaker 8 (57:09):
I came out here looking for a rock career because
I'd done some adult contemporary stuff in Florida. I got
hired to switch a station in Florida and turned it
into an alternative rock format. He didn't want to do that,
so I left Florida and here I found my home
in Rock. I was really like ninety ninety two ninety
three is when you do you?

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Have you been at BPI the whole time or were
you somewhere else? I was so before.

Speaker 8 (57:33):
I worked at a what is called a CHR station
when I was a kid growing up in my hometown.
Then I went to Charlotte and worked as at an
alternative rock station. I flipped that station to something called
the End. They liked that format. I got hired to
do the same thing in Florida. When I got to Florida,
he didn't want to switch it. After three months he said, no,

(57:54):
we're doing good in ratings. All of a sudden, I
don't want to switch it. Well, I still wanted to
pursue that that if you will, that that sort of
crusade for me to get to be in rock. So
when I got hired by J Corr, they moved me
out here to work on kaz Y, which was one
O six seven, which eventually merged into one of seven
nine KVPI or k.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
J cord is two or three parent companies before iHeart,
but it's the same company we're now effectively. So you've
been at in Colorado, you've been at one station the
whole time and the whole time. And how old were
you when you started twenty twenty two?

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Twenty two? When you started in Colorado? Yeah? Wow?

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Did you think you'd do this this long? Did you
think you'd be Willie b Did you think all this?

Speaker 8 (58:41):
O man?

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Not at all.

Speaker 8 (58:42):
I never thought it was a springboard into this or
you know, I've interviewed Ozzie a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
You know, to sit there and.

Speaker 8 (58:50):
Talk to a somebody like that, that's things you only
dream of. I shared a picture on my Instagram yesterday.
Is the first picture in my phone that I carry
on me on my person and it the first picture
is me and Ozzie.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Can you see it? You got it? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (59:03):
The very first photo out of fifty five thousand photos.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I'm not head Wow. So where was the first time
you talked with it? Where? And when was the first
time you talked with him in person?

Speaker 8 (59:13):
The first time I interviewed him was in two thousand
and seven, and that was right at the height of
the Osborns. Get that yeah, right at the height of
you know, as you know, all the things he was doing.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Yeah, and you know.

Speaker 8 (59:25):
What, man, he was very It was wild because you
heard rumors of Ozzie growing up, you know that he
just flies off to the rails sometimes.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
It was kind of like that.

Speaker 8 (59:34):
My interview lasted about twenty minutes with him, you know,
ten twelve minutes.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
He'd be, you know, have all the clarity and cognitive
sharpness you would expect him.

Speaker 8 (59:43):
One minute he'd be like, oh, well, I'm to think
about that, but you're gonna duck and uh, you.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Know, and I gotta pick up trump.

Speaker 8 (59:49):
And he would just go up with some tangent and
then come back full circle. So he was he was
always you know, he suffer.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
From him just dyslexi.

Speaker 8 (59:57):
A lot of people don't know that's why you had
always had trouble spell and wasn't necessarily a good student
and so forth.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Uh. And it affected his life too in varying ways.

Speaker 8 (01:00:06):
But yeah, man, the guy was always so humble, always
so down to earth, and I think that's why he
resonated on the TV show. He was just one of
us that had an amazing signature voice that nobody could duplicate.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
You know, sure, I gotta say, I mean, I'm not
I'm not much of a metal guy. I like a
little and I don't know that you'd even really call
Crazy Train a metal song.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
It's not now, not now, yeah, definitely not now. Maybe then?
How many youth groups played that backwards?

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
But that is That's one of my favorite rock songs,
and I just love that song. I got a bunch
of listeners texting in about Ozzie, how how charitable he
was and how much money he raised for charity.

Speaker 8 (01:00:53):
How it's funny because I joked a second ago about
how many youth groups played songs backwards from Black Sabbath.
Rozzie youth leader was named Billy, and he would play
Ozzy songs backwards and he was like, good Satanic listen
to this and never in the life in my life,
I wish I could go back in time and be like,
would you believe that this man is going to donate

(01:01:13):
one hundred and ninety million dollars to charity on his
farewell gig? On this farewell show, he donated more than
a concert after nine to eleven bro that raised one
hundred and twenty nine million dollars He raised one hundred
and ninety million dollars for children's hospitals and for Parkinson's
disease to fight that in his in his farewell show.

(01:01:33):
I mean, he's amazing his contributing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
He's a crazy animal lover.

Speaker 8 (01:01:38):
I'll tell you to everybody knows the bad story, yeah right,
the bad story for Ozzy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
He thought it was a fake rubber bat.

Speaker 8 (01:01:44):
He thought somebody had thrown a toy up on stage,
so he didn't know it's a real bat.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
He just grabs it and.

Speaker 8 (01:01:50):
Does he bites the head off of it because he
thought it was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
A toy bat. Did he tell you that? Yeah, you
asked him that question. Yeah, And there's this to worry about.
Do you know about the doves?

Speaker 8 (01:02:02):
When he signed his first record label he signed his
first deal, everybody knew about the bat right at that time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
It was already done. It was water on the bridge
at the time.

Speaker 8 (01:02:11):
Ozzy got really hammered before he went into the record
label deal. He was going to sign his deal, and
his idea was to release the Doves. When he signed
the record label deal, and his dad, in true Ozzie fashion.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Because he was drunk and on drugs, he bit the.

Speaker 8 (01:02:24):
Dove and he's like, now you're working with the mad man,
ye diary, because.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
I know I'm sure we're up against the wall.

Speaker 8 (01:02:36):
Ozzie had an infitti of love for Denver, Colorado.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Do you know why? Why? If you're a true Ozzie fan,
you'll know why.

Speaker 8 (01:02:43):
Denver Colorado always held a special place in Ozzie's heart,
and he always recognized Denver, Colorado as a special city.
The reason being in nineteen seventy one, in a hotel
room in Denver, Colorado, that's where Ozzie found his first love.
And he readily amidst this his first love cocaine, the
first time he ever did it was in a hotel

(01:03:05):
room in Denver, Colorado in nineteen seventy one. And he says,
they asked him, how do you so sure about the
first time?

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
He said, when you when you was the worst?

Speaker 8 (01:03:15):
He said, when you find your first love, you never
forget where you met her at And it was at
a hotel in Denver, Colorado.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Oh my god, seventy one.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
That's a rather twisted story, but a very very auzsy story.
I am up against the wall, but I want to
ask you one last question.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
You give me a sort of a quick answer.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Okay, if you could interview Ozzie one more time, what's
a question you would like to ask him?

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Now?

Speaker 8 (01:03:38):
Oh my god, how would Ozzie like to be remembered?
I think, how would you like your story told? Because
there's so many there's so many tentacles to his story,
so many chapters in it. People always give a shortened
version of his story. So in his words, I would

(01:03:59):
like to know, oh how his story would like to
be told, because he deserves that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Willie, the morning show host on KBP I one who
seven nine Rocks the Rockies listener text, I love Willie.
His show on KBPI is awesome, very interesting dude.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Indeed, he is a very interesting dude.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Thanks for making time for us, Willie, thank you for
having That's awesome. All right, we'll be right back on KOA.
Hello Dragon. I haven't seen you in a while, it
seems like because I wasn't here, and then I don't
know what Shannon was on vacation or something, so I
didn't see you much last week.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
And then did you go on vacation at all?

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
No, okay, I were just on vacation at k how.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Right, So today folks today would be or is my
younger brother's birthday?

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
He passed away in two thousand and four.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Listeners, some listeners have been asking by the text line,
he tell us a little more about your brother. I'll
tell you a little bit, only a little, because I
don't want to spend a lot of time on it,
and it might just a little difficult as well. But
so I'm the oldest of four kids, and it's starting
from the oldest ghoest boy girl boy girl, right. So

(01:05:10):
I don't know how my parents arranged that, but they
did so. Cliff, my brother's four years younger than I am,
and and he passed away in two thousand and four.
I told the story earlier in the show. Basically, he
fell off the edge of a mountain. We believe that
he was wearing a backpack with heavy rocks in it
because he was doing training for a bigger hike that

(01:05:31):
he wanted to do. When we believe that he got
near the edge of maybe trying to look a little
bit over to see people rock climbing in a place
called Desolation Wilderness near Lake Tahoe, and we think he
hit loose gravel and went over the edge and fell
a long way, and I don't like to think about
that part, about just what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
I just I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
He is a very creative kid.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
He was always drawing and playing musical instruments and very
very much unlike me, right, very creative, very right brain,
not like me at all. I do think there was
some aspect of him as a as a kid that
felt a lot of I don't know, a lot of

(01:06:20):
pressure to sort of be like his big brother, which
he couldn't be. And I don't mean in terms of
intelligence super smart, but just very different. And I think
my parents are both I should be careful with that.
My parents are kind of a good mix of right
brain and left brain.

Speaker 8 (01:06:36):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
My mom was a concert pianist when she was young,
and my dad really likes art and you know, like
to do some sculpture and stuff like this, and collective.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
A lot of art as well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
But I'm I love looking at art, but I can't
make any and my brother could make art music, drawing,
and I think he felt some pressure as a kid
to I don't know, to be to be more like me,
which was not fair to him. And eventually he went

(01:07:12):
to college at University of Michigan, and then he got
a graduate degree in acoustical engineering, which is interesting considering
what I'm doing now. But actually what my brother did
for a living, he worked with a company that had
what at the time probably passed for a very sophisticated

(01:07:35):
software package that I think would probably seem fairly basic
right now. But what it did, actually I shouldn't say
that that's not fair. I think it was very sophisticated then,
and I think it conceptually it would be very sophisticated
now as well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
It might just be, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Have a little more AI and a little more bells
and whistles compared to what they had then. But what
the software would do would be model a physical system
like a car or a clothes washer, and determine, based
on a model of this thing with all of the parts,

(01:08:11):
and what the parts are made out of, and how
they're placed and stuff like this, how to change the design,
the makeup, the composition of the thing to make it quieter.
How do you make a car that's quieter when you're
inside it? How do you make a washing machine or
dryer that doesn't make as much noise and even or

(01:08:35):
how do you make a room or a building that
is better for audio presentation, not necessarily quieter, but better
with echoes, so you don't go to a you know,
a concert hall that sounds terrible, that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
So that's what he did.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
He was an acoustical engineer, and I think he liked it.
I don't know that he loved it. I'll tell you
what he loved. He loved playing guitar. And a story
that my brother told me, and I can kind of picture.
I never actually saw a picture, but I can kind
of picture it is. He went to Dubrovnik. Where is

(01:09:14):
that Croatia or someone I forget former Yugoslavia, but.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Let me let me see it's Croatia. It's Croatia.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
He went to Dubrovnik with his guitar. And remember, my
my brother is an engineer who made a good living.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
He wasn't short of money, and he didn't live a
wild lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
He had a nice little place near the beach in California,
near my dad's house actually, and lived a very modest lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
And so he wasn't short of money.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
But he took his guitar, went to Croatia and he
told me the story.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
He sat down on.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Like a street corner in Croatia and took out his
guitar and opened the guitar case like to collect you know, tips, donations,
and he had just sat there and played guitar and
you know, maybe people and of course he's singing in
English and sounds like an American because he is. And
people would come by and they'd throw him a few
whatever the money is over there and chat with him,

(01:10:13):
and that's what made him happy, not collecting the money,
just that experience. Can you imagine that? It just it
actually seems like a fairly idyllic thing if you have
any skills playing an instrument, which I don't have, and
especially in a way, especially if you don't need the money.
But just imagine that as a thing to do. So
so that's how I think of my brother. Let me

(01:10:37):
find another little bit of music to share with you.
So I have a CD actually that I so after
my brother passed away, I was kind of in charge
of dealing with his stuff and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
I got his computer.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Actually still somewhere, I have the hard drives that it
took out of his computer. But I got his computer
and I found a lot of music on it, and
I put together sixteen songs, and I made a CD
that I that I play from time to time. And
of course these days, you know, you rip everything to
hard drive and play whatever. And so some of the

(01:11:14):
songs are covers and some of them are not. And
I'm actually not sure what this is, because there's some
stuff that he wrote by himself, and I think this
might be one of them, but I don't actually know.
It's called what is all the Fighting for? Just have
a listen for a moment, huh standing on a.

Speaker 9 (01:11:33):
Subway, chane going uptown for meeting, dealing, dealing. I guess
some people live things like that, nip die alone. I
guess that I can take a beating, but I've come

(01:11:54):
as far and I've got more things to say.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
I can't take it.

Speaker 9 (01:12:02):
On the chin when the try and do me, and
some people.

Speaker 7 (01:12:07):
Me one more.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
But what is all fighting for?

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
It? That's my little brother. We'll be right back dragon.
Before we do that, I need you to do the
color commentating.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Ready, here we go.

Speaker 10 (01:12:21):
Here we go. Ross Coum pulls up a nice tiny
ball into his hands, sets up for the shot, even
stands up, takes a few steps back. Oh, he's over confident.
By stepping back, he puts wets his finger, puts it
up in the air. A nice breeze coming from north
to south. In the studio, it's a little bit different,
but hey, could happen. Ross takes a confident shot.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
And makes it holy crap, all because we adjusted for
the wind. Thank you for telling us north to south.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
We do keep the wind stock going in here like
an airport, so that we know exactly exactly how to
adjust the shot for throwing the crumpled up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Paper into the train can since we're wasting time. You
know the wind socks, yeah, you know that.

Speaker 10 (01:13:03):
The reason they are colored the way they are colored,
I do not know. They're like the red stripe, white stripe,
red stripe, white sop. Yeah, that tells you the wind speed.
So if the winds sock is to the first color change,
then you know the wind is x speed.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Oh so like if the wind sock isn't fully horizontal,
it's partly horizontal, and then and then it's like it
needs to get over to Rocky Mountain Men's Clinic for
the rest.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Yeah, and that means the wind is slow.

Speaker 10 (01:13:31):
Correct, and then the more erect the wind sock is,
the stronger the wind.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Is uh huh uh huh yeah, all right, very good.
I think we think we'll leave that comparison there. All right,
So Dragon Dragon played some vanilla ice uh, and I
wanted to share with you that today is National Vanilla
ice Cream Day, And I just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Vanilla ice cream bor and boring, boring, boring, and and
look it's I guess it's better than no ice cream.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
True, but it's not as much better as it should be.

Speaker 10 (01:14:13):
And if I had a choice of any other flavor,
virtually any other flavor, I'd probably go for the other flavor.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Yeah, what wouldn't I take?

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
What would I take vanilla ahead of I would take
vanilla ahead of coffee, and I would take vanilla ahead
of anything that had walnuts in it. And tough call.
Regarding pistachio, my kids like it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
I'd never pistashio or vanilla pistachio sashio.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Yeah, they're like, oh, it's green, let me get the
color is good? Yeah, the color's good.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
I will also not I'm gonna come back to the
ice cream thing in a second. I will also note
that as it is, that is as it is National
Vanilla ice Cream Day. It is also, according to Dragon's list,
Peanut butter.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
And Chocolate Day. And you skipped we're talking ice cream.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Yeah, oh, it's National sprinkle Day. It's National Sprinkle Day.
Sprinkles are all right? You know what I love on
ice cream? Magic shell? Yes, oh god, yes, magic kell
is even better than hot fudge. And hot fudge is
one of the great things in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Matt, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
I won't say it's better, but it's up there with
hot fudge, and hot caramel is good, but hot fudge
is better.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Magic shell is definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Better than hot caramel, but it's probably close.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
To hot fudge. It's what it's king, it's king, I king.

Speaker 10 (01:15:28):
Did you try the weird flavors that they came out
with while back, They had like the birthday cake and
the cot I tried one or.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Two, but you know the hard part is they've got
one they call chocolate and one they call chocolate fudge.
And I thought I would like the chocolate fudge one better,
but I actually like the chocolate one better.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
I do them both.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta do them both. You gotta do
them both. Let me just let me do this quickly.
So there's an untrue rumor that Thomas Jefferson introduced ice
cream to the United States of America. He did not,
but check this out. He can be credited according to
monticello dot com. Monticello is to the name of Jefferson's

(01:16:04):
house and property, right, Jefferson can be credited with the
first known recipe recorded by an American.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
He also likely.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Helped to popularize ice cream in this country after he
served it at the President's House in Washington.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
And actually at the time and just.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
In the interesting time, I'm probably gonna skip ahead a
little no, you know what, this is so good. This
is so good. I'm not gonna skip ahead. I'm going
to share the Jefferson ice cream story with you right
after this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Keep it here on KOA.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Is vanilla ice cream still vanilla ice cream? If it
is a hot fudge Sunday? Unfortunately, Yes, yes it is.
Ralph says, I love vanilla ice cream when I'm licking
it off a pretty female redhead's belly. Thank you for that,
Ralph Ross. I had a pistachio beer over the weekend,
not bad. Ross and Dragon at full mass to the

(01:16:57):
windsock is ten miles ten miles hour ross. Each stripe
is three knots if I remember correctly, So that's probably
somewhere somewhere around what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Uh, surprised I knew something that you didn't know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Yeah, very good you are. No, that was very well done.
Let me go back to the ice cream thing. This
has turned into a very strange show.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
By the way.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
I had an immense amount of stuff to talk about,
kind of serious stuff, and Trump's Japan trade deal, which
maybe I'll get to or maybe I won't. The Epstein
stuff which is still going on. Maybe I'll get to,
maybe I won't, but I don't know. It just feels
like a very sort of personal kind of show today.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
And I've got some other things I want to do.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
So maybe I'll just put off the serious stuff until tomorrow. Well, actually,
one thing I want to talk to you about is serious.
It's just not nationale So let me just go back
to the Jefferson ice cream thing, because today is National
Vanilla ice Cream Day, Vanilla ice cream Day, not vanilla
ice Day, which is a different thing, right, And also

(01:17:53):
Sprinkle also National Sprinkle Day, and I think Dragon and
I are probably on the same page. I don't want
to speak for dragons. So I will just throw out
the thesis and you can.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Tell me whether you agree with it or not.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Sprinkles improve vanilla ice cream, but not enough to make
it good.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Correct, Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
So Thomas Jefferson, some people say he brought ice cream
to America. He didn't, but he may be the first
American known to have a vanilla ice cream recipe, or
actually an ice cream recipe.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
It just happened to be vanilla.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
Now let me just share with you a little bit
from Monticello dot Org. All right, that's Jefferson's house, one
of only ten surviving recipes in Jefferson's hand. The recipe
for ice cream most likely dates to his time in France.
Although Jefferson himself did not note the source, his granddaughter

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recorded a virtually identical recipe sometime later in the nineteenth
century and attributed to Petie, indicating that Adrian Peti, Jefferson's
French butler, was the original source of the recipe. Ice
Cream appear in French cookbooks starting in the late seventeenth century,
and in English language cookbooks in the early nineteenth century.

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Hannah Glasses and that's Glasse apostrophe s. Hannah Glasses Popular
Art of Cookery seventeen fifty one edition contained a recipe
for ice cream. There are accounts of ice cream being
served in the American colonies as early as seventeen forty four,

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if he had not tasted it before, Jefferson no doubt
encountered ice cream during his time in France, which was
seventeen eighty four to seventeen eighty nine, which, by the way, Jeffery.
That's why Jefferson was not involved in any important way
in the American Constitution, despite having been the most important
person on the Declaration of Independence, because he was in

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France while the Constitution was being written.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
It was made and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Served in his kitchens for the rest of his life.
Among the items filling the eighty six crates of below
that Jefferson had shipped back from France were called cata moula,
a glass that four ice molds.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
James Hemmings noted.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Two freezing f r eisng but freezing like putting in
the freezer, but just spelled that way molds in his
seventeen ninety six inventory of the Monticello Kitchen. Ice molds
were noted in an inventory of the President's House in
Washington in February of eighteen oh nine, and in Martha

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Jefferson Randolph's inventory of Manchello's contents in eighteen twenty Tick
twenty sixte noted an ice cream freezer and an ice
cream ladle. Although Jefferson was definitely not the first to
introduce ice cream to the United States, during his presidency,
it certainly became more well known. There are no fewer
than six references to ice cream being served at the

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President's House between eighteen oh one and eighteen oh nine.
Several times guests described as being served inside of a
crust or pastry. So it's almost like what we've got
now with deep fried ice cream, right Manassa Cuttler, a
congressman from Massachusetts, wrote in eighteen oh two ice cream
very good, crust, wholly dried, crumbled into thin flakes. Samuel

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late the Mitchell described balls of the frozen material enclosed
in covers of warm pastry, exhibiting a curious contrast, as
if the ice had just been taken from the oven.
After serving as Jefferson's cook for the duration of his presidency,
Honore Julia opened to catering in confectionary business on f

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Street in Washington, advertising in June of eighteen ten that
he would serve ice creams on Sunday next and afterward
every Wednesday and Sunday during the season. All right, there
is more to that piece, but I think I will
leave that history part there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Let me just give you the recipe. Don't try to
write it down.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
You can just go look up Jefferson ice cream recipe
and you'll find it at Monticello dot or ice cream.
Two bottles of good cream, six yolks of eggs, a
half pound of sugar. Note, by the way, that there
is no vanilla in this right. I guess Madagascar vanilla.
I don't know if it had made its way to

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France yet, it had not made its way to the
United States.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Yet.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
Here's what he says, Mix the oaks and sugar, put
the cream on a fire in a casserole.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Oh no, there it is. There's vanilla. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
So he just didn't have it in the ingredient in
the initial ingredients list because vanilla Madagascar was a French colony,
and Madagascar is famous for having the world's best vanilla,
so clearly it would have gotten to France by then,
and Jefferson was in France. So that's why I was
surprised not to see vanilla up at the top. But
it is there. What's that order of operations must matter?

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I guess sorry, fired, you're gonna burn off the the
whatever vanilla flavoring might be there once you take it out,
then add the vanilla.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
I can see some logic behind them.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
This says, put the cream on a fire in a
casse role, first, putting in a stick of vanilla. When
near boiling, take it off and pour it gently into
the mixture of eggs and sugar.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Stir it well.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
Put it on the fire again, stirring it thoroughly with
a spoon to prevent it from sticking to the castrole.
When near boiling, take it off and strain it through
a towel.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Then put it in the sabotierre.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
What the heck is a sabo tierre because uh, all right,
a mold or a small bucket. Normally, when you see
something like that in French sabotier sabot and then anything
after that, it's something that is kind of sort of
in the shape of a shoe. A sabel was a
wooden shoe or a shape of a small boat. It's

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kind of like the old French clogs that were kind
of like in the shape of small boats. Anyway, Then
set it in ice an hour before it is to
be served.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Put into the ice a handful of salt.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
Puts salt on the cover lid of the sabbatier and
cover the hole with ice. Leave it still half a
quarter of an hour. Then return the sabbatier in the
ice ten minutes. Open it to loosen with a spatula
the ice from the inner sides of the sabotier, Shut
it and replace it in the ice.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
This is complicated.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
Open it from time to time to detach the ice
from the sides. When well taken, stir it well with
the spatula. Put it in the molds, just stling, justli
ngestling it, which maybe is jostling the way we would talk.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Now well down on the knee.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Then put the mold into the same bucket of ice.
Leave it there to the moment of serving it. To
withdraw it. Immerse the mold in warm water, turning it
well until it will come out, and turn it into
a plate. Wow like so it's it's four ingredients and
many many many sentences of process, a lot of steps,

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a lot of steps, a lot and by the way,
keep in mind ice, okay, first of all, having ice,
and Jefferson's from Virginia, so you don't get a ton
of ice there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
You don't get a ton of snow.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
But back in the day they dealt with ice bike
creating these kind of basements, and they would capture ice
when they could and put it in the basement and
keep it cold, which is a pretty crazy thing. And
I wonder what Thomas Jefferson would think now if he
came to my house and saw my electric ice cream
maker that has a built in freezer. It's not one

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of the hand crank kinds where you have to get
the ice and the rock, salt and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
You don't have to do any of that. It's got
a little freezing thing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
You put a little bit of vodka or some kind
of alcohol in there, because that transmits the freezing temperature
between the freezing device and the bowl that you're putting
the ice cream mix in. And then you turn on
a switch and it just stirs until the ice cream
gets so heavy and thick that it can't stir anymore,
and does clicked like like and it's done, and it's done.

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And what do you think Thomas Jefferson would think about
my let's say, chocolate ice cream with subtle tones of
blood orange and cayenne pepper. It's one of it's a
flavor I personally like to make it home. What do
you think Thomas Jefferson would think about that?

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
I hope he would like it. I hope he would.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Even though it's National Vanilla ice Cream Day, you will
not catch me eating vanilla ice cream today. If I'm
gonna eat ice cream, I will not waste my time
with that. Oh I will say, my younger son likes
vanilla ice cream, and so does my wife. My younger
son and my wife have very similar tastes in food,
and they both like vanilla ice cream.

Speaker 10 (01:26:43):
What were your brother's thoughts on vanila ice cream?

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Oh well, so later in my brother's life, in the
last few years of his life, he was vegan. He
became vegan because he lived in California and it was
a good way to meet girls.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
It may just seem and I shouldn't just say that.
That's not that's not fair.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
He became vegan because he met a vegan girl and
he wanted to, you know, kind of impress her a
little bit, and okay, and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
He stuck with it. He stuck with it because he
really believed in it. He really believed in animal welfare.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
I guess in fact, you know what, if you could
put my audio up for a second, I'm just gonna
jump in. Well, maybe I'll start at the beginning. I
don't know how much of this, how much of this
song is intro versus versus? How when when he starts singing,
But let's let me do this. So I think my brother.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Wrote this song. I don't think it's cover it, but
I could be wrong. See son, you see, and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
It's a song called come West ship that day that
he I don't know if he but if he either
wrote it or at least saying it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Trying to get that girl who made.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Him a vegan to move to California to be with him,
because she lived on the East coast.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
And the song is called come West and so this
was the Mountains in the Shadow come Last to.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Teach me what?

Speaker 7 (01:28:26):
Don't know?

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
So my brother either wrote or sang that song to
that girl who convinced him to be vegan, and then
he stuck with it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Though.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
You know, there's kind of a joke out there, like
how do you know that somebody is vegan? And the
answer is they'll tell you, right, they don't shut up
about it. It's there's a lot of virtue signaling there
and a lot of kind of identifying with this thing
in a way that many normal people find annoying.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
My brother was not like that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
He would not spend a bunch of time talking to
you about being vegan. If you went out to dinner
with him, you would know because he would ask the
waiter or waitress is their dairy in this? For example,
Like it's pretty obvious if there's meat in something, but
maybe less obvious is they're butter in something, And he
would ask is their dairy in it? Because vegan is
not vegetarian, right, Vegan is no animal product, which also

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means no eggs.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
No dairy of any kind. And then here's the thing
that really got to me the most. And again, my
brother didn't try to convince me of this.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
He didn't try to proselytize to get me to become vegan.
He did try to get me a little bit more
aware of animal welfare stuff, you know, battery hens, like
these thousands of hens living these tiny little spaces laying eggs.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
He didn't like that at all, but.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
He wouldn't eat honey bad And I thought that was
an interesting thing because bees are not being abused by anybody.
They're just being happy little bees. They're every bit as
happy making honey and a hive for the man as
a hive for themselves. But still he said, look, it's
principle of this thing, and just say no animal product,
and it makes it that much easier. The other thing

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is that years ago my mom had a very nice
Lexus sedan and my mom was a typical like little
old lady. I mean, I say, was right. My mom's
still alive, but she doesn't drive anymore. And my mom
offered my brother the Lexus. It's lovely Lexus sedan, and
he turned it down because it had leather seats.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Yeah, so he you know he was He meant it.
I will tell you word. He was true to his word.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
The one thing that I did, and I will tell
you my brother did get me to be a little
bit more sensitive to this idea of animal welfare than
I might have otherwise. Been And the one thing though,
that I did, the one change that I made in
my life to honor my brother. And I'm not gonna

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say it's the biggest sacrifice ever, because it was only
a thing that I would do once every other year anyway.
But I used to really enjoy fuegra, not the cold,
kind of gross cube of goose liver, but fuagra at
a fine restaurant that comes out hot and a little crispy,
and it's truly delicious. It is FOI E G R

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A S. But it is it's goost liver. And here's
what my brother told me that I didn't know. In
order to make the fuagra, in order to make the
goose liver that big and like fatty and juicy and delicious,
and it is delicious. And I actually have been going
to look this up. I don't think I ever went

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to verify whether this is the case. But my brother
said to me what they do is they stick a
funnel down the goose's neck and force feed it far
far more food than it would actually ever want to eat,
and the body reacts to it trying to process all
this extra food by making the liver very very fatty.

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And he said, that's torturing this goose so that you
can have some, you know, high end delicacy. And after
my brother passed away, I said, I'll never eat foie
gras again.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
And I've stuck to that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
And again, it's it's not the biggest sacrifice because it
wasn't like I was eating it very often, maybe once
every couple of years. But it's something I can keep
in mind, and it is a thing that I did
to change my behavior to honor, to honor my brother.
I wasn't going to spend a little more time on

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this next thing than I have time to spend on
it now, but I'm gonna mention it to you. So
I was out yesterday in the day before because Kristin
and I were traveling with my younger kid to look
at colleges and we had an interesting experience. We went
to a big state school and although it was cool

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and they have a lot going on and they have
hundreds of clubs and they have all this stuff, we
don't think and he doesn't think.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
That a big state school will suit him.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
He went from a small private middle school to a
big public high school and it did not suit him
at all. And I feel like I really, really really
let him down by putting him in a big high school.
I thought it would be fine. The high school has
a good reputation. It wasn't fine. It wasn't fine, and
I regret that as a parent. So then we went

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to a couple of smaller private schools. They both happened
to be Christian schools. One Catholic. One calls itself Christian.
It's not Catholic, it's I don't know what. I don't
really I mean, I know there's a difference. I won't
try to characterize it. I'll just say one's Catholic and
one's Christian. And my kid liked both of them, and

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especially like the second one. Not because of the religious aspect,
obviously we're Jewish, but there was just a lot else
to like about it. It's very expensive, which is not
something I like about it. And he realized. My kid
realized that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
He's not going to get in.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
His grades aren't good enough, his SATs are not good enough,
and he is almost crying in the car as we're driving, saying,
I wish I could do high school over saying he
said to him, because I told him throughout high school
I should have been much more aggressive, frankly and turning
off the computer. But I said to him, you are
not working hard enough, and this is not going to

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get it done. And he said, yes, I am. You
don't understand how hard I'm working. And he said to me,
yesterday I talked myself into thinking I was working hard enough,
but I wasn't. And I said, look, if your goal
is really to go to this school, because my kids'
grades were quite good last year, all a's and b's,

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no c's, including at least one AP class, some honors stuff,
really quite good. His really bad grades were sophomore year
and not great freshman year either.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
And I said, look, if you really want to go
to the school, here's what you do.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
You kick butt your senior year and you apply now,
even though they won't see your senior year grades. You
understand that you will not get in now, and then
you plan on taking either a semester.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
Or a year off as a gap year, during which.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
Time you can work, or you can take community college
classes or whatever. But if you kick butt in your
senior year of high school right now, right now, school
starts in less.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Than a month, then do this slight delay.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
It could even potentially be just a semester delay, and
then the college will see your senior year grades, and
then maybe you'll be able to get in and take
the SAT again, study hard for it, and do some
other things to make yourself more interesting. Do some more volunteering,
join another club, make yourself a more interesting applicant.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
When I was, I told him this.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
When I was a financial markets trader, an options trader,
I wrote a sign for myself that I put up
on the wall, and it said, think about the next trade,
not the last one.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
And that's kind of this on a much bigger scale.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Don't think about what you've already done in your first
three years in high school. Think about what you can
do next to achieve your goal. And so that's where
we are. And if you have any thoughts, you want
any you know, give me any advice, give my kid
any advice. Shoot it to me by email, not text,
because I won't see texts for anymore today. But shoot
it to me by email at Ross at Koadenver dot com.

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R Oss at koadenver dot com. I would like to
leave you today by sharing just a little bit of
music from my younger brother Cliff.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
Today is his birthday. I always like to remember him,
obviously on his birthday. I would like to share some
of his music with you on his birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna leave you with this, and
I won't I won't say anything more after the song.
I'll just leave you with a little music and then
Mandy will take over.

Speaker 8 (01:37:21):
He takes the.

Speaker 7 (01:37:21):
One upside, takes off his shoes, the feel of cold,
leavening pavement under his feet. He thinks about things he
left behind, the things he.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
Used to need.

Speaker 7 (01:37:41):
All the airplane saw the driving, never worry about surviving.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
So clever buddy never saw it coming. Tells you cry.

Speaker 7 (01:37:57):
Then it's not like starting though, It's just time to
turned the point