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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Koa, we are one hundred years old. That's kind of amazing.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Although producer Shannon and I together not separately but together
are more than one hundred, but separately we're not really
very close to one hundred, although some days it feels
that way. Shannon, I had meant to ask you something
yesterday and I didn't.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
And because I don't.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Want to start today's show by talking about people dying
in New York, which I will have to get to
in a moment, I would like to start with something
a little lighter. I would like you to regale me
and those listening to us right now with a brief
tale of what you did over the weekend at a
youth rodeo, which sounds like one of the funnest gigs ever.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It was a blast with the voice of the Buffs,
Mark Johnson calling the action. I played some rock and
roll over the speakers while the kids were busting their muttons.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Is there anything in the world funnier than mutt and busting.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Very little? Yeah? Where was the rodeo? And how cool
ad they Kiowa?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
And they got Mark Johnson out there? Can you imagine
that voice? Which I woul't attempt to impersonate, because the
only person who could probably get almost slightly close would
be Roach.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Right, I can't I wouldn't even try.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Can you imagine having that voice calling Mutton Bustin? It
must have been just one of the greatest, one of
the greatest things.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm old Jimmy's hanging on for dear life. Therry goes.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Very good and for those of you, but still not
as good as Mark Johnson himself. He's got a very
special voice. For those of you who don't know what
Mutton Bustin is, just go look it up, just go
watch a video. It will it will make your day.
And producer Shannon got to watch that and do sound
at the Kiowa Kids. Is it part? Was it part
of a bigger rodeo? Or was the whole thing just
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a kid's rodeo?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I think that somehow there was a scheduling thing, something
got posted and this was like the youth portion of
what was supposed to be a bigger event moved to
a different weekend.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Gotcha all right? Well I was.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I was slightly jealous of that story, so I thought
I thought we would share it with listener. And there's
one of the voices that we cannot match. All right, guys,
there's a lot to talk about today. I'll just talk
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briefly about this shooting in New York. Obviously you heard
about it a lot already. The story has certainly developed
since last night. At this point, what we know is
a guy driving a black BMW Sedan drove in a
hurry from Las Vegas to New York, getting there in
less than two days, like apparently a day and a
half or so.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
To get from Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
To New York. He double parked his car outside of
a massive building in New York City, a building that
is one of the buildings in New York that is
big enough that it has its own zip code.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Did you know that, Shannon.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's a full city block, I believe, and it has
its own zip code, and you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
In the heart of Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So a lot of big companies are there, including KPMG,
the huge accounting slash consulting firm, but also the NFL.
So this guy double parks his car. African American guy,
I guess, walks that he's wearing a sport coat and
sunglasses and holding a long gun, holding an M four
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AR fifteen kind of gun. Just as he's walking across
the sort of the plaza between the street and the building,
walks into the building, kills a police officer, a Bangladeshi
immigrant in his I think early thirties, maybe two kids,
pregnant wife.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
He's gone now.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
A lady walks out of the elevator, passed just as
the shooter gets to the elevator, and he lets her go.
Didn't do anything, she just goes. Eventually he gets into
the building. He shoots a few other people, and I
don't I'm not exactly clear on who got shot on
what floor versus in the lobby. An executive from from Blackrock,
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the huge investment firm, was killed. An employee of the
NFL was wounded. In total, four people were killed, and
the shooter apparently killed himself.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
He has not counted among the four.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
When I say four people were killed, I am not
counting the shooter again, apparently a self inflicted wound to
take himself out. Now, when I first heard the story
and they were kind of talking about who's in this building,
you know it, and the big names, it didn't seem
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all that likely that someone's gonna go on a shooting
rampage against an accounting company, although you never really know
there could be financial stuff, but it seemed like, even
though I didn't have a reason in mind, like the
NFL might have been the target. And so what we've
learned this morning is that the Mayor of New York
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has said that the gunmen was targeting the NFL offices
but got in the wrong elevator and he got off
the elevator on I think it was the thirty third floor,
which is the offices of a big real estate company
that happens to be the company that owns and manages
that building. But it wasn't his target. And you know,
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we don't have a lot of buildings like this in Denver,
but a few office buildings like this in Denver and
maybe other places that you've experienced it, where the buildings
are big enough that they have multiple banks of elevators,
where each bank of elevators serves a different range of floors. Right,
So if you're trying to go from floor eight to
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floor twenty eight, you'll get in this bank of elevators,
and if you're trying to go from twenty nine to
forty nine, you'll get in the other.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Bank of elevators.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
And the mayor of New York City is saying that
they believe this guy got on the got in an
elevator in the wrong bank of elevators, and it couldn't
get him where he was trying to go.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
They also have said now that.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
They found what the AP describes as a rambling note.
And by the way, this guy is already known to
have had a history of mental illness, but a rambling
note that was on his person, and I'm quoting from
the AP, that suggested that he had a grievance against
the NFL over a claim that he suffered from chronic
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traumatic encephalopathy.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Now, that is.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
A nasty ailment that apparently you can get from banging
your head too many times, and it can actually cause
like holes in your b and can cause essentially like
dementia at quite.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
A young age.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Now, this guy, as I did my own research this morning,
played football. I was a running back in high school.
But as far as I can tell, he did not
play in college and definitely did not play in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
But I don't know whether he did or didn't.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I mean, I don't think you can diagnose CTE until
the person is dead and you actually look at the brain.
I think that's from what I heard some years ago.
Maybe technology has changed in order to be able to
diagnose it. But in any case, I could be wrong
about that. But in any case, he never played in
the NFL. But if he is already a guy with
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significant mental illness, he might have just in his mind
attributed his mental illness to being hit in the head
a lot playing football and then attribute that to the NFL,
even though as far as we can tell, he had
no connection to the NFL. In any case, you know,
as the mayor said, he seems to have blamed the
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NFL for whatever is going on in his brain. The
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell called it an unspeakable act of
violence in our building. Obviously very sorry for the loss
of life, except for the loss of life of the shooter.
You know, when people are going to, you know, go
kill others and kill themselves, I wish they would reverse
the order kill himself first and then you can try
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to deal with the rest after. But if I'm going
to try to, and it's difficult to do because they're
dead people.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But I guess what I would.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Say is somebody who goes into a big office building,
even though it was a little bit after hours, like
six point thirty PM goes into a big office building
with an AR fifteen or similar rifle and only four
people die. Perhaps perhaps we got a little lucky. I'll
just share one because it kind of encapsulates what several
different listeners have said by text.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
My guess is that he wanted to take the NFL
down so that players wouldn't suffer like he did, eliminating
the sports of brain injury wouldn't happen to those players.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Just a thought.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, so again, we don't We don't know he he
only played football in high school, and I very much
doubt that he was actually diagnosed with CTE. Maybe he
thinks he maybe he thought he's dead now, maybe he
thought he had ct In fact, let me ask the
(09:24):
Google machine something. Uh, let me ask the Google machine,
how do you diagnose ct E? Because my my thought
and I remember, oh my gosh, what's the name of
the San Diego Chargers linebacker who died maybe maybe killed himself? Yeah, yeah,
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that's right, junior, right, junior sail June. Let me let
me look this up real quick, because did he kill himself?
I'm trying to remember. He was elected to the Pro
Football Hall of Fame in twenty fifteen, and that was
after he died. So he died, Yes, he killed himself
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in twenty twelve at the age of forty three. And
I remember from that story, from that terrible story. By
the way, I as a kid. I grew up a
San Diego Chargers fan back in the Dan Fouts days
when I was living in San Diego County I'm talking
about now, in the late seventies and early eighties, right.
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So anyway, so Junior Seau had CTE killed himself, and
I remember, I think I remember hearing at the time
that you can't diagnose CTE until you actually, until you
actually like literally get your hands on the person's brain
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and examine it. And so I just wanted to see
if that's still the case, because if this guy says
said while he was alive that he had CTE, then
if I'm right, then well then he yeah, should have
shot himself, like before he shot what in the chest?
Is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, Junior say I shot?
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Oh he did this guy shot himself in the chest? Interesting? Okay,
I wonder if he did that intentionally. Well, I do
have another thought on that. Actually this is a little morbid.
I'll get to that. That's a good point, Shannon. So
so Junior said, I shot himself in the chest, and
Shannon says, this guy shot himself in the chest. Now,
this guy thought he had CTE. If I'm right, he
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couldn't have known that. But he doesn't mean he's wrong,
but it means he couldn't have known. So I just
typed this into the to the to the search bar here.
CTE can only be definitively diagnosed through post mortem brain
tissue analysis. There is no way to diagnose CTE in
living individuals, although doctors can try to assess symptoms and
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try to potentially diagnosed suspected.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Or probable CTE.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So maybe that was that guy's case, but he couldn't
have known for sure. But I think one reason that potentially,
Junior say out as well as this guy might have
shot themselves in the chest when normally when someone is
going to commit suicide with a firearm, they shoot themselves
in the head.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Not that I'm expert on this, but is that.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
They wanted their brains to be available for medical research afterwards,
so they didn't want to shoot themselves in the head
and do that. So I'm speculating on that, but I
don't think it's I don't think it's crazy speculation, even
though it's not really a thing I like talking about.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So I'm going to move on.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
So you heard Pat Woodard mentioned in the news that
the trial of the Aurora dentist who is accused of
poisoning his wife and had been drugging her for some
years but then killed her.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I think with cyanide.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
This trial is absolutely nuts. By the way, it's absolutely nuts.
There was a story in the Denver Gazette, and I'm
only looking at the headline right now, but it says
Aurora dentist asked cellmate for help hiring a person to
kill the homicide detective and to create fake evidence.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
How nuts is that?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
This guy absolutely freaking out of his mind. And I
guess he was poisoning his wife for some time she
was in the hospital, and I guess he finished her
off with cyanide. I'm trying to remember the details of
the story because I haven't read a lot about it,
but I think maybe maybe he dosed her with some
more cyanide while she was in the hospital.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I could be remembering that wrong.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
But this guy is so out of his mind that
he asked a prison cellmate while he was in prison
after being arrested for the murder to help him find
someone to kill the detective who was on the case.
Can you imagine? Can you imagine? All Right, We're gonna
take a quick break when we come back. You know,
I love having thriller novelists on the show. I've got
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one this week, I've got another one next week. But
coming up in the next segment, we're gonna have Brian Freeman,
who is now three or four, maybe four books into
being the current writer of the continuation of the Robert
Ludlum Jason Bourne series, one of the most famous series
of thriller novels ever. Had movies made you know of
(14:29):
the earlier born novels and so on. Brian Freeman joins
us next, Hi, Brian, good to see you again. Yeah,
good to see you. Usually I don't get to do that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Likewise, as always, I have read the whole book before
having you on the show, which is I'm sure not
always true when.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
You talk to radio people.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
In any case, Brian Freeman is a best selling thriller
author of his own series of books, as well as
having had the distinct privilege of being asked to continue
what might be the most famous thriller series in history perhaps,
and it's certainly you know in the in the A list.
(15:10):
If it's not number one, might be number one though,
and that is of course, the the Jason Bourne series
that was begun by the famous Robert Ludlam, who passed
away quite a few years ago at this point.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
So Brian is back with his latest. Is this third
fourth by you? I believe it or not?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
It is already my seventh.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Oh my gosh, where does the time go?
Speaker 5 (15:33):
All right?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Exactly right, Brian's Brian seventh. It's called The Bourne Escape.
I read the whole thing and it cost me a
couple of nights of sleep, but it was worth it.
Hard book to put down, as usual from from Brian Freeman,
and all the Born books are interesting. This one I
found the way you dealt with memory loss, which is
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always a big thing with but became a bigger thing.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
In this book. Can you talk about that a little bit?
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (16:07):
I really wanted to kind of go back to the
roots of the series. Some of the characters from Ludlum's
original book, The Bourne Identity make a reappearance in this novel.
And I've been kind of laying the groundwork in the
last couple of books talking about the idea that tread
Stone doesn't really know what Bourne's real state is in
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terms of his memory and whether he's at risk for
further memory loss, and so it kind of all explodes
in this book, and suddenly he's finding himself back in
a situation where he doesn't know who he is and
he has to piece together the fragments of his path
while he's also getting pulled into this chase across Europe.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Let's just do just for one time here a brief
step back for the few people who might not know
Jason Bourne and Treadstone. So just give me like nineteen seconds,
because I like prime numbers on what is tread Stone
and who is Jason, Like who is this person we're
talking about in this book, and then we'll get back
to details.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Yeah, Treadstone is the super secret spy agency that Burn
works for. And several years ago he was doing a
mission for Treadstone and the Mediterranean and he was shot
on a boat and wound up floating in the sea,
and when he came to he had no idea who
he was, and so the nature of the whole Born
identity Lovelum's original book was Jason Bourne trying to figure
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out who he is and why he has the skills
he does.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
So other than Jason Bourne, I'd say the two most
important characters, maybe the three most important characters in this
book are all women.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
There's one important character who's a man who we used
to think is dead, you know, maybe he's sort of
tied with I'll use a name with vandal in level
of importance, something like that.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
But very heavy on the female characters here.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Is that just a natural outgrowth of how you've been
developing the plot or are you really aiming to focus
on female characters just part of you think female spies
are particularly interesting and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Well, yeah, I do.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
I mean, that's that's you know, that's a that's a
great you know, a great place to begin with anyway.
But the thing about the thing about the Born character,
which is really different from what you find in the
Matt Damon movies, where Born is kind of this isolated, laconic,
cynical hero that's very different from the way Ludlum built
him out in his books. I think in the books
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Bourne is is not a loner, and he really needs
someone in his life. He needs a relationship in his life,
and and so I wanted to to kind of focus
on that in my reboot of the Born series, so
that Bourne's relationships with the women in his life become
very central to who he is.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I ask you this every time, but I'm gonna I'm
gonna ask again, but again, as you said, you're seven
books into it now, But what does it mean to
you to be the dude who's writing one of the
most famous I guess you'd call him a spy uh
of all time and you're doing this?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
How does that feel?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
You know?
Speaker 6 (19:05):
My first reaction when when I got the gig was say, oh, oh
my god. And my second reaction was, oh my god.
It's intimidating, you know, stepping into the shoes of a
giant like Ludlaman and such an iconic character as Born.
But it's also been among the most the most enjoyable
fun writing I've done in my life. I mean, I
look back on when I was I would have been
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seventeen years old back in nineteen eighty when the Bourne
identity first came out. And if you had told that
teenager back then that some four decades later, books would
be coming out with with my name and Robert Ludlum's
name together on the cover, I would have thought you
were crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
But here we are. So you write another series of
books with your main your main, dude, Jonathan Stride, is
it difficult for you as a writer and are you
are you kind of alternating or are you spending all
your time on Born or how is this working for you?
And then my real question is if you are writing both,
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how do you keep it straight? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I do go back and forth.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
I write Bourne novels and I still write my own books,
both Jonathan Stride novels and standalones as well. In fact,
my last novel was a standalone Break Every Rule, came
out last fall, and I have a new standalone mystery
called Photographs coming out in October. But you know, I
think what I going back and forth. I think what
makes it work for me is I do get a
chance to tell very different stories with very different characters.
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If everything I wrote with sort of Born esque action thrillers,
and that would be a lot harder become a creative standpoint.
But being able to put down Born and pick up
Jonathan Stride and write sort of gritty police procedurals and
put that down and write, you know, very emotional mysteries
like Photograph with a female first person narrative. That's what
keeps it exciting for me, is I get to kind
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of bring all these very very different characters to life.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
We're talking with Brian Freeman and his newest novel in
the Born series is The Born Escape bou.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
R n E.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
And you can actually see all of Brian's stuff at
his own website, which is b like for Brian Freemanbooks
dot com b Freeman books dot com.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
You mentioned how Matt.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Damon plays Born differently from how you understand Born from
the books. Do you do you think there's gonna be
another movie, whether or not it's with or mini series
like like God, like Jack Carr is doing with Terminalists
and that kind of thing, any any anything you can
tell us without having to kill us?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, I sure hope.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
So I mean that that seems like such a you know,
a slow pitch across the plate to bring Born back,
particularly in something like a streaming series I mean, you know,
Amazon has had such luck with with Jack Reacher and
Jack Ryan, and it seems like, uh, you know, bringing
Jason Bourne back in that same kind of limited series
would be would be such a natural thing, whether or
not they choose to do you know, new movies as well.
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You know, I mean, Matt Damon maybe getting you know,
a little old to take on the Born character. But hey,
you know, it's not exactly like Liam Neeson as a
spring Chicken and he's still doing thrillers or Tom Cruis, right, yeah,
exactly exactly. So you know that, I know that they
are having talks out there. Universal has been kind of
dropping hints around about trying to do something more with Bourne,
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but I haven't seen anything specific yet.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I just hope they do it.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
I think that it would be great to have Born
back on screen or TV, and hey, they've got a
lot of stories they could you know, draw from right away.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I always try to be very careful when talking about
books on the show to not give spoilers and make
sure I don't say things that you know, would cause
people to feel like they don't need to go read
the book. So I hope this doesn't fall into that category.
I'm going to go ahead anyway, but at some point
in the book, Jason Bourne meets well, I won't even
use the name, Jason Bourne meets one of the world's
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most famous dictators, right, and you can decide if you
want to give the name or not. But it's a
super interesting scene. And I wonder how you thought about that.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Yeah, you know, I've been kind of laying the groundwork
a little bit for a couple of books because this
this sparring match long distance between Born and Yeah, I'll
go ahead and say it. It's Vladimir Putin. I really thought,
long and heart, did I want to actually bring Putin
into this book? And you know, I had conversations with
the folks at Putnam and the Ludlam Estate about whether
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they wanted me to actually use, you know, the name
of the character in there, and they didn't have any
problem with it. And I thought it would just add
this extra dose of realism to the book. I hope
that doesn't mean anybody's going to be stabbing me with
a poisoned umbrella.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
You know, it would be it would be really something,
wouldn't it if Putin like read the book and said
something about it.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I wonder.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I only wonder a little bit because he's a bad
dude in the world would be better off without him, right,
But I do wonder a little bit if someone's going
to tell him, Hey, Vlad, you know you're a character
in this book, and then you know, and then and
then I'll read it. I wonder if the book will
be translated into Russian. I mean, I bet he could
read English a little bit, at least at least moderately.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
But that would be interesting. I do wonder about that too.
And yeah, I don't know how I how I feel
about that.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Yeah, we'll take.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
It as it come.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
So if if you don't have a chance to interview
me again, I guess we'll know what happened.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
My producer.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
My producer just said, for the second printing of the book,
you should get a blurb from Putin. Oh my gosh,
that's pretty funny. All right, let's just do like one
or two more quick questions. So the the book ends
with a lot of drama and some real changes to
Bourne's world, and it ends up with him seeming to
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think about whether he wants to get back to his
old line of work. I think I can say that
without spoiling anything.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Do you already have in mind?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
What what the next book?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Or have you already started the next book?
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Yeah, in fact, the next book is done, it's I
can and The Born Revenge will be coming out in January,
so it won't be very long at all before we
get Born back.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
But but yeah, the The Born.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Escape is I think the most personal of the Born stories,
and you can definitely feel that at the end of
the book. But there's always been kind of this push
me pull your relationship between Born and Treadstone and and
and particularly now that his his Treadstone, you know, boss
and Handler is his shadow with whom he has this relationship.
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So I I knew that in the essence of what
happens at the end of The Born Escape would sort
of lead me right into the plot of the next book,
and it definitely does. The title itself, The Born Revenge
gives you a couple of ideas about you know, where
it might go.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
So let's see, I'm I have the book in my
hand right now. It's just under four hundred pages. And
how long did it How long did it take you
to write this one and and and break it out
for me? How long did it take you to write
a first draft and then how long did it take
you to go through and edit it?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Usually it takes me about you know, four to five
months to do the first draft and and then you know,
we'll go through the editorial process. I'm I'm one of
those obsessive editors.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I just like to, you know, cut it as you go.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
It's a paragraph until until it's exactly the way I
want it. I will say though, that you know, Putnam
has had me writing two Born books a year for
the last couple of years, so the.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Deadlines are such that a lot of time.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
To be tweaking every word. Wow, it's sort of like having,
you know, your your life be an action thriller because
you're just kind of you know, you know, pushing out
the pages every day.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
If if you.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
If you could rewrite your contract to have one book
a year instead of two, would you would you do that?
Or are you happy with the pace and with the
paychecks that come with two books a year instead of one?
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Well, I certainly like the paychecks that come with two
books a year, But for me personally, from a creative standpoint,
I'd love to be doing I'd love to be doing
one book a year, just because again I like to
what my favorite part of the process is the editing,
and I love being able to go back over the book,
you know, once the words are on the page, and
just tweak everything and get it just the way I
want it.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
How many books are in this current contract?
Speaker 6 (27:19):
The Born Revenge is the last book and a two
book contract. Gotcha, that's the one that's the one coming
out in January, all right?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And like these are questions I should be asking you
over a bourbon and not in public, and you know,
in front of thousands of people, but I'll ask you anyway.
So you know, now you've done seven books, you're a
huge hit. Everyone knows you can do this and you're
good at it. So do you think in your next
contract you might say, let's slow the pace.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
A little bit.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
I don't know, We'll we'll see what happens, you know.
I try not to think too far ahead, mostly because
from a creative standpoint when it comes to the books,
I like to have born and all of my characters
evolve based on what's happening to them in the book,
and I don't think to think out the character of
the plots very much. Farther than where I are, so
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where I am, So you know, we'll we'll take it
as it comes and we'll see what happens next. But
that's what keeps it fresh and exciting for me too.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Brian Freeman's latest in the Born series is The Born Escape,
a wonderful just thoroughly enjoyable thrill ride as all O'Brien's
books are, and in a great summer read. So you
can buy it now wherever you buy your books. The
Born that's b o U r n E.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Escape, And you can.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Check out more of Brian's work at his own website
if you would like to do that, be the letter
b Freeman books dot com. Always great to talk to you, Brian,
Thanks for another Thanks for entertaining me yet again with
another with another Born book. Boy, the time goes now
that it's seven already, Wow, Thank you so much. Great
to talk to you, all right, good seeing you all right, folks,
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go buy the book and read it really fun.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I'm gonna do something different.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I mentioned yesterday on the show and played some music
yesterday on the show from Tom Lehrer, who passed away
at the age of ninety seven, and I read this
great piece over at the Spectator, not the American Spectator,
but the other one, and I just thought I would
share it with you. It's a little bit of an
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odd thing for me to decide to share in the
sense that I'm going to share with you here something
of an obituary of a guy who is only a
little bit famous, right, especially people these days. It's going
to be mostly mostly my older listeners, probably although I'm
I'm you know, I'm not old. Who are longtime Tom
lehr fans, right? Because anyway, I'm gonna share this with
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you because I just think Tom Lair's music is still good,
and also because I think he's just such an interesting character.
Tom lerr l e h r e r. If you
go on YouTube, you can look up some of his
you'll see a whole bunch of his his stuff. But
I just want to share this with you. I might
not read all of it, I might skip over a
little bit. But this is written by a guy named
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Alexander A. Larmin la r m An for The Spectator
and the headline is rip Tom Lehrer and the subhead
and I love this is the musician dash comedian spread
like herpes rather than like Ebola. It's a funny line,
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and I'll get to it in a minute. The death
on Saturday of the musician, humorist, and mathematician Tom Lehrer
at the impressive age of ninety seven, brings to brings
a near end to a great American tradition of edgy,
sometimes almost unsayable satire. Among a post war generation of
New York Jews, only mel Brooks and Woody Allen are
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still carrying the torch, and neither of them are young men. Still,
for all of their impressive achievements, it's hard to equal
Lehror's unfathomable genius.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
At his peak.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Equally stunning is the realization that this peak only spanned
a decade.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
He recorded two studio albums.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
In nineteen fifty three and nineteen fifty nine, and three
live albums between nineteen fifty nine and nineteen sixty five.
Yet the songs he wrote remain extraordinary giddy delights, combining
tuneful arrangements with did he really say that?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Lyrics.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
It was not for nothing that later Lerer once suavely remarked,
if after hearing my songs, just one human is inspired
to say something nasty to a friend or perhaps to
strike a loved one. It will all have been worth
the while. It's no I love fad line. It's no
exaggeration to describe Leerr as an American answer to Gilbert
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and Sullivan had that pairing comprised of mathematical genius who
cheerfully penned lyrics about murder, bigotry, and the apocalypse, all
set to the kind of piano based ditties that inspired
Randy Newman, Billy Joel, and many many more. Learrer's switching
to musical comedy came when he was already well into
his doctoral and academic studies at Harvard. In the Fish,
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he took great pleasure in writing the kinds of catchy,
incisive songs that were equally beloved by students and colleagues splendidly.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Throughout his time at Harvard.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
He would occasionally burst into song in lectures.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Some of his music such as the Elements.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Which I have played on this show, but I didn't
play yesterday.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
It's basically him.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Singing the name of every then known element of the
periodic table, but not in the order that they are
in the periodic table in yes and he listens them
all to the tune of Gilbert and Sullivan's major general
song from HMS Pinafore was clever and witty, whereas some
songs were entertainingly macabre, such as the dark ballad I
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Hold your Hand in Mind, in which it becomes very
clear that a devoted lover is a bit too devoted
by the way. I will just just you understand. In
that song I hold your hand in mine, it's like
and I press it to my lips, dear, I take
a healthy bite of your dainty fingertips.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I'm not reading the lyrics I remember, but in.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Any case, in any case, it turns out that the
person who's holding her hand, that's the only part of
her that's there. He's dismembered her and he's holding her hand.
It's fabulous. Larr enjoyed enormous popularity in the UK. Princess
Margaret was a noted admirer of his, and in Australia
as well. I'm gonna let's say skip ahead here. A
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little he does has a song called National Brotherhood Week
and yeah, it's pretty fun.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
I'll just keep it. I'll skip ahead. The best.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
The bespectacled, cheery and ever charming Leerr was an unlikely provocateur,
but many of his most outrageous songs, such as his
upbeat reflection on World War Three, is likely outcome quote
we will all go together when we go end quote.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
That's the title of the song.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
We're considered as so shocking that they couldn't be played
on the radio or TV.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
In America or Britain.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
As The New York Times wrote in nineteen fifty nine,
mister larr is not fettered by such.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Inhibiting feature as taste.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
In the early nineteen seventies, Larrer had essentially retired from
both songwriting and public performance, leaving a very select corpus
behind him.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
He remarked in twenty.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Thirteen that he had written a total of thirty seven
songs in twenty years and performed a mere one hundred
and nine. Shows that he had had the impact that
he had indicates the brilliance.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Of these songs.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
If you had wished, however, to hear Lehrer turn his
attention to Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton or Donald Trump, forget it.
He once quipped that quote political satire became obsolete when
Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, and certainly
he remained a figure of his time, Yet even in
his eventual retirement, he was capable of causing amusement, if
not outrage. When the rapper two Chains sampled his song
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The Old Dope Peddler, Larrer's remark was Learrer's reaction was
to remark, quote, as sole copyright owner of the Old
Dope Pedler, I grant you mf ers, but he said
the whole word permission to do this. Please give my
regard to mister Chains, or may I.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Call him too?
Speaker 2 (35:07):
And in a splendidly generous gesture to the world, Lehr
put his entire work into the public domain in twenty
twenty two, allowing anyone to do what they liked with
his peerless music. As he once said, quote, my songs
spread slowly like herpies rather than Ebola. Let us hope
the reaction to the great Man's demise leads to his
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brilliantly barbed work tearing through society that still needs to
hear it like the most virulent strain of herpes.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Imaginable.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
That is a wonderful obituary of Tom Larr written by
a gentleman.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Maybe he's not a gentleman.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I don't know named Alexander Laarman for the Spectator.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Oh dear god, well you actually did well the last yeah,
last time. We'll see how you do this.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Right, here we go.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Russ pumples up the tiny ball into his tiny hands.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
What you're a shorter guy, Why do not have tiny hands?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
You are not a basketball say about guys with tiny hands?
You can? True, I can almost palm a basketball. I'm
pretty good basketball player in high school.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Ross crumbles up the tiny ball into his big Harry knits.
Does that work for you?
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Is that better?
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Wets his finger, sticks it up in the air, checks
the wind direction coming from east to west, this time
in the control room, so we better make sure that
he adjusts for that. The trash can is set up
in the normal corner that it is. Ross picks back
and oh banks it off the back and into the
trash can.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Wow, twice in a row. This is amazing. Do you
think that's exciting sports radio? You know?
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Do you think we could do that like in KOA
Sports or Broncos Country at night and have have all
the sports fancy?
Speaker 1 (36:44):
That's awesome? Like that's some serious.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
I'm no Johnson, I'm no Jack or Jerry. I have
no Rick or Daves. I don't know how exciting it
could be.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
You're a fine announcer. Now, you're a fine announcer. Yeah,
good stuff. I mean you seem to be pretty good.
You can getting better, I'm getting better. No, well, I
think it's because we're adjusting for the wind a little better, right, help, Yeah,
it helps?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
All right.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
We have a lot of stuff still to do today,
although I have no idea what it is, but we're
gonna make it up as we go along, because.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
This is create a show sheet today.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
This is semi professional radio here on the Ross Comisky.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
I did the opposite Dragon did. You're just not gonna
follow it?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Right?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Well, the thing is not only did.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I create a show sheet, I created a show sheet
with even.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
More on it than usual.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
So now I'm more confused than usual, because you know,
you know how this goes. I put stuff in the
very first segment that I don't get in that I
don't get to, and then I spend the rest of
the show try Domino's and try to catch up and
work stuff like that. All right, So I am going
to do something now that I was going to do
in the first segment of the show, but didn't so
the President, and I promise you this is actually a
(37:49):
local story, even though I'm going to start by talking
about Donald Trump. The President put out a an executive
order last week entitled Ending Crime and Disorder on America's
Streets and the section of the first section is the
purpose and Policy section and says, endemic vagrancy, disorderly behavior,
sudden confrontations, and violent attacks have made our cities unsafe.
(38:13):
The number of individuals living on the streets in the
United States on a single night during the last year
of the previous administration, two hundred and seventy four two
hundred and twenty four people, was.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
The highest ever recorded.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
The overwhelming majority of these are are addicted to drugs,
have mental health conditions, or both. Nearly two thirds of
homeless individuals report having regularly used hard drugs like methamphetamines, cocaine,
or opioids in their lifetimes, and equally large share reported
suffering from mental health conditions. The federal government and states
have spent tens of billions of dollars on failed programs
(38:49):
to address homelessness but not its root causes, leaving other
citizens vulnerable to public safety threats. So then there's a
whole bunch of stuff that I'm not going to read
you kind of talks about what.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
They're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
And one of the big things though, is to encourage
what they call civil commitment of individuals with mental illness
who pose risks to themselves or the public. And what
that basically means is an institution, a mental institution. Now,
years ago we did this and I don't remember what year.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
It was, but there was a year.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
There was a president, it might have been Bill Clinton,
who closed down many of the public institutions. I wouldn't
go quite so far as to call them insane asylums.
I don't think it's that far, but kind of like
mental hospitals for people who can be treated right and
need help, need treatment, but they shut them down, and
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it really kind of changed the nature of treating the
homeless who are homeless because.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Of this kind of issue.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Let's say, and so now the Trump administration wants the
federal government to jump in to leverage states to change
how states approach the homeless issue, where the lever from
the federal government is grant money. Because the federal government
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is not directly involved in this stuff generally, right, the
states do what the cities do it, but the federal
government likens so many other things, like education is a
big one. The federal government gets involved providing money, and
you know, he who pays the piper, you know, chooses
the tune. And this is besides the whole thing we're
(40:33):
going to talk about here for a minute about Denver
and Colorado Springs.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
I got an update on that as well.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
This is one of those things that falls into the
category for me of something the federal government has absolutely
no legitimate authority to be involved in. There is no
constitutional authority for the federal government to be involved in
homelessness issues. It is a state and local issue should
be handled by state and locals, and let the state
and locals in each different place try whatever they're gonna try.
(41:01):
Right Texas is gonna do it differently from Colorado, differently
from California, different from Illinois, and each state will see
what works best in the other states. That's why we
have a federalist system. There should not be any federal
involvement and there should not be any federal money for
any of this, but right now there is, and as
long as there is, the federal government is going to.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Say what they want done.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
So some of the things they want done enforcing prohibitions
on open use of illegal drugs, and forcing prohibitions on
what they call urban camping and loitering, and forcing prohibitions
on urban squatting. And there's a lot more from there.
So that's just a little bit of detail. Now, Denverwright
(41:44):
denveright dot com has a piece. Trump's sweeping order on
homelessness could have major impacts on Denver and I posted
this on the blog and I want you to just
kind of go read it for yourself because I'm not
going to spend a ton of time.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
On it right now.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
But it's unders there's a very complex issue, and I
do not claim to have the answers. There are people
out there who say that housing first is the right way.
There are other people who argue that housing first just
attracts people who want to get a free house on
somebody else's dime, a free apartment on somebody else's dime,
to just be homeless and then kind of go get
free rent.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
I'm not claiming to be an expert, but the key is,
and as Denver I puts it, if implemented the executive
order could trigger sweeping federal funding cuts to Denver's current
homelessness and public health strategies. This sort of budget fallout,
the city is already fighting in multiple lawsuits over other
executive orders. So I'm going to just kind of stay
(42:43):
on top.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Of the subject.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
I don't have a lot more to tell you right
now because we don't really know how it's going to
play out, but I wanted you to be aware of it.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
And then the other thing.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
That I wanted to mention, and again I'm not going
to add a lot but headline that just came out
in the past twenty four hours or so, and this
is Fox twenty one News in Colorado Springs. Number of
homeless people in Colorado Springs reaches all time high in
new report.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
A new report.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Actually it's the whole county, but Colorado Springs is the
biggest city in the county. A new report is showing
nearly six hundred more people experiencing homelessness in El Paso County.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
This year compared to last year.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Becky Trees of the Pike's Peak Continuum of Care said
this is likely due to both a real increase in
homelessness and a more comprehensive count. The latest point in
time report shows seventeen hundred and forty five people counted
as homeless. That was in January of this year, I guess,
and that top the previous record sent a year before
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by forty percent, huge numbers. Amy Cox of the Housing
and homeless the Housing and Homelessness officer for Colorado Springs, said,
we are not one solution away from ending homelessness. Homelessness
is complex and our response has to be multifaceted.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
That's probably right.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
So the question for today is how will the Trump
administration executive order change what that response will look like.
A listener asked if the count for the homeless people
in Colorado Springs includes people who are being put up
in hotels and stuff like that paid for by the government,
and I believe the answer is yes.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
I believe that if.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
You are in that kind of place, you count as homeless,
and if you are living on the street, you count
as homeless.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
And then within those reports they.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Will break it up between sheltered and unsheltered, but I
think they both count as homeless.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I mentioned this yesterday. I want to mention it real quick.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Next Saturday, August ninth, I'm going to be mceing a
wonderful event for the Warrior Bonfire Program. It's called Diamonds
and dog Tags and it's at this crazy cable land
mansion in Denver. That was Bill daniels mansion, fourteen thousand
square foot four bedroom house that almost nobody has lived
in since Bill Daniels donated to the city. Was his
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intent that maybe the mayor would live there, but no
mayor has. Anyway, it's a fun place for an event.
It's the eighth annual Diamonds and dog Tags charity event
and it's really wonderful. I'll be m seeing it and
I'd love to see you there. So you can go
to Warrior Bonfireprogram dot org Warrior Bonfireprogram dot org and
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you can find the event there twenty twenty five Diamonds
and dog Tags. Come join me. If you do come by,
please don't be shy, come say hi, and would love
to hang out a little bit.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Let's see.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
I want to do a moment here and I got
a couple things I want to say about Coach Prime.
So we actually Producer Dragon. I say we, but I
mean Producer Dragon did a very good job yesterday catching
the important part of the Coach Prime press conference where
he talked about how he had bladder cancer, he had
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surgery and all this. Dragon, did you hear the update today?
By the way, have you heard anything more?
Speaker 5 (46:07):
Nothing new?
Speaker 1 (46:07):
You've heard nothing new, So check this out.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yesterday Coach Prime made a comment in passing that Dragon
and I both noticed, and I think I said explicitly
on the air that sure sounds like Coach Prime and
Depends are going to do business together, like he would
go he would.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Go market for that, right.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
Yeah, it sounded like there was a deal in the
works already, And so there was.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
News this morning and I'll go to NBC Sports for this.
Dion Sanders and Depend have a new partnership. We called
it yesterday. Dragon, we called it yesterday. Hall of Famer
and Colorado coach Dion Sanders entered a new phase of
his public existence on Monday with the disclosure that he
has fought and beaten bladder cancer.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
The procedure has significantly.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Impacted his urinary function promise, prompting him to say during
the press conference, I.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Depend on Depend. Depend now depends on Dion two.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Via Brent Shroutenboer of USA today, Depend confirmed a partnership
with Sanders.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
DEPEND is proud to help millions of people live more
confidently every day with comfort and protection they can trust.
This includes Coach, the company said in his statement, Wearing
DEPEND isn't a sign of weakness, It's a badge of resilience.
It takes real courage to face health challenges head on.
We champion and celebrate Coach's strength to share his experience
with the world, which makes us proud to partner with
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and support him on this journey together.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
We know his voice will empower others to stand tall
and help break the stigma that can.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Come with wearing products like DEPEND, And then the reporter says,
yes it will. Dion's transparency contributes to society in three ways. One,
he urged people to get checked out for health problems.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
We talked about that yesterday too.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
He attacked the stigma associated with bladder control issues. Three,
he will inspire and motivate cancer patients to fight through
the worst the disease in tails. So yeah, actually a
little bit more here from NBC because I think this
is well written. After Colorado announced a press conference would
be happening on Monday, some speculated that dion would be
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stepping down.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
In reality, Dion.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Is stepping up, and he will help tens of thousands,
if not hundreds of thousands by doing so. Ultimately, his
health journey could become the most impactful and significant thing
he's ever done in a long and illustrious career.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Kudos to Coach Prime for.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Recognizing the opportunity this moment in his life presents and
for seizing it. And you know, Dragon and I were
I don't think we were joking about this. We were
remarking about this yesterday that Coach Prime has always been
a deal maker. The dude is not shy about, you know,
merch let's say and whatever. He might endorse and make
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a few bucks, and it's good for him and it's
good for them. And you know, Dragon and I were
saying this, this actually seems kind of likely, and here
it is, and you know what, it's good for all
of them. Prime is going to make a few bucks.
Speaker 5 (49:09):
Well. And the fact that he brought it up in
that press conference, yeah yeah, yeah, they're like smell something.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
I smell something, right, And so it's good for him,
it's good for the dependent company. I don't know if
they're owned by a bigger company. I have no idea
who owns them or whether they're a standalone And as
this writer for NBC says, it's good for people who
might be going through this to see something of a
role model who is not afraid to be public about it,
not afraid to talk about these challenges, and not going
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to let it.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
Take him out of what he wants to do in life.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
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Speaker 7 (50:00):
A Rod, Hi Ross, I am not currently wearing them.
As you mentioned, the overcast has been nice pretty much
all morning long, since I've been out at here since
six am. It is fantastic weather sunglasses. Less A Rod
is talking to you now, Okay, haven't gone full prime
and wearing them indoors? I have not, and I even
taken them off sometimes outdoors because like Ryan Edwards is
sitting right next to me, we apparently are getting flak
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for wearing them, in our social media videos because you
really bugs people.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
When you see the reflection of stuff in the sun
and sunglasses.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
So so let me let me make this about me
for a second, a Rod, because you know your name
is on the show. So I'm I'm negotiating my own
contract right now, and I am about to sign what
I think will be a four year, ninety two hundred
dollars contract.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
Very specific.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Yeah, a four year, ninety two hundred dollars contract. It's
a little.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Bit different from Courtland Sutton's new contract.
Speaker 7 (50:52):
Yes, it is very different for Courtland Sign's new contract.
But like Sutton, you're gonna have to find the radio
equivalent of having a thousand yards season. What would that
be in radio terminology? Do you just have to host
NonStop and no days off? You have to meet certain
benchmarks and certain ratings with our program director Dave Tepper.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
Eventually have to win a CBA.
Speaker 4 (51:12):
You eventually have to win Mandy.
Speaker 7 (51:15):
Yeah, a couple Mandy does hog the ball? Are you
considered our wide receiver one ross?
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Yeah? Well, I don't know. We got too We got
two good wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
I mean Mandy and I are the only two current events,
you know, current events Talkoss on KOA, So I think
we're pretty uh how many you've been on ko oh
oh less than Mandy. I've been on KOA four years now.
Mandy's been on KOA what eight or ten or something.
Speaker 7 (51:41):
Then Mandy might be more in the Sutton range because
now Courtland, having been here since twenty eighteen, Yeah, has
been nothing but productive. Obviously your teasing the fact that
Cortland Sun Now has agreed. Yesterday, by the way, just
an hour after Sean Payton said this literally in a
POS post trading camp press conference.
Speaker 8 (51:59):
I'm not going to speak ahead of it, but we're
you're real close on a contract, and you know, I
think our goal when he and I met George all
along was was you know this coming Monday. So I
think there'll be something fairly soonilar.
Speaker 7 (52:13):
Literally an hour after that, the extension was announced four years,
ninety two million. Like you mentioned, and Ross, I know
this is crazy. Courtland Sutton has a chance to be
the number five all time leading receiver in Denver Broncos history.
If he repeats what he did last year and has
a thousand yards, he would then pass ed McCaffrey, who
was sitting at sixty two hundred yards. Yeah, Cortland's at
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fifty three forty. He's already gonna pas Emanuel Sanders may
maybe like on the in the first game, twenty one
yards away from that, and if he has a thousand yards,
HEAs and he's he's gonna be in the Ring of
Fame potentially because he's gonna pass ed McCaffrey at the
five spot. But it's awesome to see this guy get
locked up. He's a fan favorite, he's a team favorite.
The locker room loves him, and you know who really
loves him, and honestly, probably was the exclamation point to
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get this contract done is his quarterback, Bo Nicks. He's
become a security blame it. They obviously have a really
good connection. He's got so many touchdowns and he is
like eighteen or something like that touchdowns in the last.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
Couple of seasons.
Speaker 7 (53:07):
So getting him locked up was a no brainer and
maybe the first to come in terms of contracts.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
So I did little math yesterday a rod and obviously
an NFL receiver does more than just catch passes.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
During a game, right, There's a lot to do.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
But I did the math and I figured out that
if he catches the same number of passes each year
for the next four years that he caught last year,
which was eighty six, including five in the playoffs. And
if he gets paid ninety two million dollars, then he
will have earned two hundred and sixty seven thousand dollars
per catch.
Speaker 7 (53:39):
Oh my goodness, that's that's pretty darn good.
Speaker 4 (53:44):
Yeah, that's pretty dark good.
Speaker 7 (53:45):
But he's been notorious for being darn good at catching
the ball, and I just mentioned security blanker for bone Niggs,
and every single one of those would be well earned,
especially if the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
Want to do what they want to do on offense
this year.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
Yeah, give me an update on Alex Singleton, who we
missed a lot last year and what's going on with him.
Speaker 7 (54:02):
So Alex Singleton yesterday, first of all, I noted in
a picture I put out, I mean all smiles, because
this guy's obviously coming off his torn acl and not
too long into practice. Yesterday it was reported that he
was walking off the field with his trainers and that
he was looking at his hand, and then we found
out later in the day that he did in fact
break his thumb, which is obviously not good for a
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linebacker who's trying to get his hands up in there,
but luckily with a broken thumb, they're gonna wrap that
thing up. And those clubs that you've seen defensive players have,
you know, it's not it's not impossible. We were talking
earlier in terms of like catching you know, maybe in
an interception. With that thing, it makes it more difficult.
But he's gonna be out probably about seven to eight days,
which for that inside linebacking corps, after already losing Drew Sanders,
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this is a light inside linebacking corps I personally thought
was one of the deepest we've seen in many years,
and now it's already down two guys. Drew Sander's gonna
bribe you out until the least the start of the season.
Alex Singleton now and now out for a week. So
it's gonna be a lot of Drake Greenlaw the free
agent signing, and going to be Justin Sternad who continues
to just have these opportunities with injury. Lavelle Bailey and
then undrafted Kareean Reid are going to get a lot
of opportunities as well.
Speaker 4 (55:07):
But Singleton should be back in a week. Ahead of
that first preseason I.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Got to say.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
And it might just be because he's one of the
few Broncos I've interviewed, But I'm a big Justin Sternad fan.
I like him, I love him as a player, and
I like interviewing him. He seems like a really decent
human and he actually, you know, a lot of times,
I don't do a lot of sports interviews, but I
watch a lot of sports interviews and a lot of
the players they just sort of are sounds like they're
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talking from talking points and you could almost write their
answer for them, right, And I don't get that from Sternad.
It sounds like he actually listens to the question and answers.
But you've probably talked to him way more than I have.
Speaker 7 (55:45):
I have. And then Brian Edwards you reference in the
interview did with him yesterday. Yeah, Justin Surnad' is probably
one of the better interviews that we have on this squad.
And he's a guy you want to continue having in
the locker room, both for how good he is as
an interview and also just how how his usefulness over
the last couple of years because he continues to come
back to the Denver Broncos because of these opportunities, And
I mean he said yesterday comes back because he wants
to play for Sean Payton, and he wants a chance
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to win a super Bowl, and these opportunities he keeps
having them because of these injuries at the position, and
now he's thrust into really being that that starter alongside
Drake Green live if Alex Zingleton misses any more time
than we expect, and then along with Drew Sanders too.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
So he's a fantastic interview.
Speaker 7 (56:22):
And I know, I remember that interview you referenced with
you and Mandy last year. You can find on our
social channels. It's still a good one, still stands pat
and it's still evergreen because you guys had so much
fun with him that I don't even know how much
football you talk. You don't need to with a guy
like that. He's a great, great guy.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
Yeah. I remember in that interview. It was during the summer.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Olympics and we were asking him what Olympic event he
would like to participate in. I don't remember what the
answer was, but it was a fun conversation. All right, Ay, Rod,
you want to drop anything else on us before you
get going and catch up on the rest of stuff
you need to do today.
Speaker 7 (56:52):
Well, I will say we're gonna be hopefully getting these live.
They are wearing pads again today, so hopefully some of
these more live periods are going to see once again.
And I really try. I'm an offense guy. I really
like to I keep my eyes on the offense. I
want to watch the invites inside linebacking corps. But as
I'm literally staring at him right now rise about to
talk about him, I can't keep my eyes off of RJ.
Speaker 4 (57:11):
Harvey.
Speaker 7 (57:11):
I really think that this guy is going to be special.
He's probably potentially gonna go down as one of the
steels in the draft.
Speaker 4 (57:17):
JK.
Speaker 7 (57:18):
Dobbins is obviously a veteran Champagn's noted that we have
the footage on tape.
Speaker 4 (57:22):
We know what Dobbits can do. I think he's going
to re really good in this offense too. The ross.
Speaker 7 (57:26):
I am stupid excited about the potential of r J.
Harvey in this offense and that crazy burst that speed
that he's got. He's built like a bowling ball, but
it's just so wicked fast. So I'm gonna be watching
a lot of him and hopefully hopefully his rise continues.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
One very quick follow up just on that, And I
realize there hasn't been a ton of chance to watch this,
But what are you seeing in terms of RJ. Harvey's
ability to catch the ball? If you've had a chance
to see any of that.
Speaker 4 (57:52):
Oh my goodness, well I have seen some of it.
Speaker 7 (57:54):
He's already caught quite a few out of the backfield
and made special with I think there was a play
if I remember correctly, I think yesterday he caught a
ball out of the backfield and gassed the heck out
of Dre Greenlaw, who who I've been referencing is the
new inside linebacker dation for the Broncos. This is a
guy that catches the ball and makes something with it.
I think his last his two seasons in college, the
guy averages over like ten yards to catch. So every
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time he catches this thing, he does something special with it.
He is he's wicked in space. And people have mentioned
I know the Broncos were really high on the fact
that they think that R. J.
Speaker 4 (58:25):
Harvey had also the best vision in this draft.
Speaker 7 (58:28):
So not only does he catch the ball, but he's
not afraid to go of the middle. But when he
has the ball, whether it's via the catch or via
in space running it. He knows what to do with it,
and there's no second guessing. He's not gonna get caught
up in the backfield. He's gonna either get downhill or
get to the outside via catch and do something special
with it. So there's gonna be a lot of first
downs courtesy of RJ. Harvey if they give him the opportunities.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
That's producer A Rod without his sunglasses reporting from training
camp for now.
Speaker 1 (58:53):
For now, Thanks so much, A Rod. That's great. We'll
talk with you in tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (58:57):
It sounds good.
Speaker 2 (58:57):
Thanks for Ross okay, and once again thanks to Chevron
for powering our koat training camp coverage, which I'm grateful
for that. There was a thing I wanted to mention earlier.
I was just going to stick with sports for a second.
A thing I wanted to mention earlier about CU but
not Coach Prime. I might have more on Coach Prime later,
But you know, there's been these lawsuits and these changes
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in NCAA rules following lawsuits in recent years about something
called nil. Nil means name, image and likeness, and what
it comes down to is that after a bunch of
lawsuits athletes. College athletes have won the right to be
able to be paid for sponsoring, endorsing, advertising for products,
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for using their name, image and likeness. Right in the past,
the colleges in the NCAA, the NCAA made all the money.
And then the concept I suppose was these are amateur athletes,
not professional athletes, and they don't get paid. But there
was just too much money involved and way too many
great college players and frankly, colleges. You think about the
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biggest sports colleges, the biggest football You think about the
number of people who show up at a game in
Alabama or Texas, where football is a religion, and there's.
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Just such an immense amount of money.
Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
You know, current and recently former players like, gosh, that's
just not fair. And they started, you know, filing these
lawsuits and winning and winning.
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
So nca change rules And.
Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Now the University of Colorado has launched a thing that
they call the arch and it is a program whereby
advertisers can choose one of two tiers based on how
much money you want to spend, and you can choose
one of two tiers and pay in, you know, into
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that system and be able to essentially have a college
athlete endorse your thing. The lower level is called the
MESA level, and that is a spending anywhere from twelve
thousand to just under twenty five thousand per year. And
then I'm not going to go through all the benefits
(01:01:08):
and stuff. And then there's another level that they call
the fourteen er level, and that would be spending between
twenty five thousand and forty thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
And when people join.
Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Those things, when businesses join those things, right, they'll get
to have like impressions on websites, social media posts, what else,
club benefits, free tickets, stuff like that. So anyway, and
the money will go towards paying us to paying student
athletes based on this change in rule and change in
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law that has happened in recent years.
Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
So I don't have a lot more to say about
that right now.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I just wanted to let you know, see you announced
this thing, so all right, let's move on. So we've
had on the show a couple of times. I think
folks who are very vocal in opposition to the building
of a new BUCkies down nearer the town of Palmer Lake,
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not actually in it, although later it would be in it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Because they would ax.
Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
They would annex the land which is over near eye
twenty five and create what they call a Flagpole annexation.
Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Right, So they'd annex this huge chunk.
Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Of land that is not contiguous with the town of
Palmer Lake. And then they would annex a skinny piece
of land that might even be as narrow as I
don't know, a street or something like that. I don't know,
just how narrow, but small, and then that would run
from the big piece where BUCkies would be, and connect
that as you go west from the highway to the
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town of Palmer Lake. So, in any case, I've had
some folks on the show who were in opposition. I
haven't been able to get a guest for the show
who was in favor. But that doesn't mean that there
aren't lots of people in favor. In fact, it wouldn't
surprise me if a majority of the town is in favor.
It's just that the opposition is very vocal. I don't
live there, I don't live near there, so I don't
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know is the opposition a majority. I suspect the opposition
is not a majority, but.
Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
But I do know they're fairly well organized, they're loud,
and there's some very smart people and some smart attorneys
in the opposition, so you know they've been fighting through
all this. But I'm not going to get into the
politics of that at the moment. What I wanted to
let you know is that the town of Palmer Lake
has now officially released the terms that they are proposing
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to BUCkies in order to get this thing done, and
putting aside the question of whether it should be done
or not, which is a question I'm just not going
to get into today, not least because I don't live
there and I don't have much of an opinion. So
putting aside the question of whether it should be done,
if it is going to be done, what should the
financial terms look like?
Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
And I have to say this looks pretty reasonable.
Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Again, I'm not trying to jump into the middle of
a debate within residents of Palmer Lake about whether you
should do.
Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
This or not, but let me just share a little
bit with you.
Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
This is from KKTV dot com Channel Channel eleven. Town
officials clarified terms like water needs, planned roadway improvements, and financials.
Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
They have said that BUCkies has agreed.
Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
To pay the cost to build two wells and a
water treatment plant. So I think the wells are around
four million dollars combined, and I think the water treatment
plant is around ten million dollars. So that stuff that
you might call water infrastructure will be about fourteen million
dollars of expense for BUCkies. Now, for those of you
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who know BUCkies, and I am far from an expert,
so I just kind of know what I'm reading here.
I've been to the BUCkies that's up north by Johnstown,
I think twice, and that's my only experience with BUCkies
in my whole life.
Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
It's it's quite a place, I have to say.
Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Anyway, a lot of BUCkies have car washes, and and
there's some legitimate concern down in that Palmer Lake area
about excess water use if they have a car wash,
and so that Buckies' location will not have a car wash,
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they still need to do wells and water treatment plant
for I guess, for example, their own restroom facilities and
for whatever their own drinking water will be. BUCkies is
also agreeing to pay for all the roadway improvements in
the area that the town will require, that c DOT
will require, and that could improve that could include improvements
to County Line Road, which is right where there where
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BUCkies will be Beacon Lightlite I'm not sure what that is,
and the I twenty five County Line Road interchange. Another
thing that's kind of interesting in this deal is that
the town will have an annual sales tax rate of
three percent, but for twenty years, one one percent of
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that will go back to BUCkies, and the town expects
during that twenty years I guess where they're effectively getting
two percent that the town expects to generate a million
dollars a year from sales tax revenue.
Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
What else.
Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Monument Fire District and Palmer Lake are both going to
They're going to share responsibility for fire department coverage.
Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Bucky's supposed to cover all.
Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Costs and expenses related to the annexation to the development
of the project. In short, basically, BUCkies is paying for everything.
They're They're expected to end up contributing about two hundred
thousand dollars a year to the local schools through their
property tax, and they're also, according to this document, going
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to make a one time contribution, which you might think
of as a bribe, to the community of three hundred
and fifty thousand dollars, and this could potentially come up
for a vote as soon as a month from yesterday,
all right, August August twenty eighth. In any case, again,
I don't have a strong opinion as to whether this
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thing should or shouldn't happen. I tend to try to
avoid strong opinions on things that don't directly affect me
unless I truly honestly have one. I'm not going to
make one up there. Again, the opposition is pretty well organized.
I will say my kid doesn't like it because my
kid says it's a beautiful area of grassland and hates
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turning it into you know what, they pave paradise and
turn it into a parking lot, right, And so that's
why my kid is against it. I don't know why
the people, but my kid doesn't live in Palmer Lake either.
So in any case, it does kind of seem like
it's going forward. Nothing's done until it's done, right. But
I will say Bucky's agreeing to all of this stuff
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where they are going to spend many millions to get
it done, and it appears that there will be zero
net out of pocket lost to the town of Palmer
Lake to get it done. Sure does make me feel
like this is on a path to get done. We
all remember what real quick? Well, yeah, what did you
put your trash out? No, I put your trash out.
Speaker 5 (01:08:12):
My trash doesn't move tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Put it out early just because I thought you'd forget
and I was nearby.
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Well thank you, Yeah, you're welcome.
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I would like to respond to a listener who sent
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in a text that I don't entirely understand eat and
then the S word, which I can't say on the
air eat bleep because I used a keyword and you
can't get off AI.
Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
So I just texted back, why are you swearing at me?
Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
No, I used a C word for an S word,
and I can't tell you.
Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Without getting opted out.
Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
They texted back, Okay, So if you have a little
bit of logic in your head, you will understand now
that I read your text on the air twice that
when the text d system says you've been opted out,
it doesn't mean anything. I've explained this many times on
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the air.
Speaker 5 (01:09:58):
The only thing it means we don't see that text
you were opted out from because you used that key
word such as cancel or stop or don't those kind
of things.
Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
And I don't think I don't think this system filters
out swear words. I mean, I just got the S word,
and I think I've gotten the F word.
Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
And sometimes don't see emojis, so.
Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Yeah, we usually don't see emojis, and we never see pictures.
No pictures, no pictures it's it's just it's just text.
But anyway, look for for for you who is swearing
rather inappropriately, because I didn't do anything wrong and you
probably shouldn't be swearing at me. But just so everybody
understands putting aside this person who seems to have gotten
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up on the wrong side of the bed, and I'll
give him or heard of the benefit of the doubt
that maybe he's not a jackass the rest of the time.
Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
The idea is this, This is.
Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
A texty system that is used by lots of companies.
Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Everybody has a different number. We're five six six nine zero.
We share it actually with another one of our radio
stations here in the building.
Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
But when you text us, it's five six six nine zero.
Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Some other company, you know, maybe it's a retail company,
maybe it's a travel agency, maybe it's a hotel company.
Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
They have some other numbers that they would use for
texting purposes.
Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
And the thing is with some of those guys, you
can sign.
Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Up for marketing messages so that maybe they're going to
put on a sale of some kind and they will
proactively text you after you sign up, proactively text you
saying twenty percent off through Friday, and in that case,
in that case you can with these systems if you
send in a word like stop or cancel or halt.
Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
The system is looking.
Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
For that and it will opt you out, unsubscribe, you
opt you out.
Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Of future.
Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Unrequested marketing messages, unsolicited marketing messages that are proactively coming
to you from the other guy.
Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
But that's not how we work here.
Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
We are never proactively texting you with marketing stuff, so
you are not opted in to anything with us. So
when you get the message that says you were opted out,
it doesn't mean anything except that we did not get
that one text that you got that response to. But
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it doesn't mean you can't text us again, and it
doesn't mean we can't text you. Do you want to
editthing else?
Speaker 5 (01:12:26):
Dragon, I would kind of dive deeper in a little
bit saying that, yes, we do not generally see that text,
but we can dive deeper into your number.
Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Yeah, and see we can go find it.
Speaker 5 (01:12:39):
We want to see that text that you said don't
or cancel or stop right, alter or anything, but that's
a bad use of my time, so I generally don't
do exactly. It takes you know, a three, four step
five step process for us to try and hunt that down,
and you know, sometimes and it's not worth it.
Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
A listener just sent through four different attempts to send
four different emojis, and I would like you to know
the very first one that you sent, which is sort
of the eyes closed with tears coming out because you're
laughing so hard, sideways slightly sideways head emoji, that came
through as an emoji, and the other three didn't.
Speaker 5 (01:13:15):
Just so just so you know, I think we get
the basic emojis, like, you know, the smiley face and
the winkie face. I don't think we're gonna get the
winkie pregnant man or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Uh all right, let me do a dumb story with you,
not that the last five minutes wasn't dumb. So this
falls into the category of kind of fun.
Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
What was it worth all those years in court?
Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
So some years ago, I think it was twenty seventeen, maybe, yeah,
twenty seventeen, all right, so we're talking about eight years ago.
There's a dude in Argentina who was standing in his
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backyard naked, but he has a fence, as you do.
Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Yeah, he's got a fence.
Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Up.
Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
He didn't think he's you know, visible to the world.
Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
He's got a fence up, maybe not a very high fence,
but kind of high. It's a six and a half foot.
Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Fence high enough.
Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
So the dude is in the buff in his backyard,
no problem. Right in a small town in Argentina eight
years ago.
Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
And you know how.
Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Google drives these cars by with the cameras on top
to do their Google street View things, so that then
when you go on Google Maps and you're looking at something,
you can click the layer, like one layer will show
you a satellite picture, but another layer will show you
the street view. So like you're going to someplace, you
can click on the street view and you'll get a
sense of what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
So when you get there, you can recognize street.
Speaker 5 (01:14:50):
Have you ever caught anybody you know? No, I caught
my grandfather really, he was checking the mail one day
and sure enough there he was.
Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Oh my god, but he wasn't naked, right, no, no, no, no, no,
fully closed. So the thing is, these street view cameras
are mounted on You wouldn't call it a tripod because
it's just a it's like a unit.
Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
It's a pedestal kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
That itself is on some kind of stand that itself
is on the top of a car. Right, So the
car is however tall it is, and then you've got
to stand, and then you got the pedestal, and.
Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Then you get the camera on top. So the camera,
I'm just.
Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Guessing is probably eight feet off the ground something like that.
And so what happened was the camera caught a picture
of this guy's bare ass over his fence, and it
ended up on Google street View. But what also ended
up on Google street View is the guy's house number
in the street name, the street sign, so everybody could
(01:15:46):
tell who it was, where.
Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
It was, and like make fun of him and all that.
Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
And he said that he was exposed, Well he was exposed,
but he said he was exposed to ridicule at work
and among his neighbors.
Speaker 5 (01:15:57):
Yes, Dragon, not really. They blur people out. I mean,
maybe just his face and not the cheeks. Yeah, I
don't Maybe they just missed it. But here's what I
wanted to tell you. So the guy sued Google saying
that you know this, and and Google Google said, well,
his fence should have been higher, right. In any case,
(01:16:20):
the guy won in court and I'm I'm.
Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
This is from Canadian news station Ctvnews.
Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Dot ca as the website.
Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Appeals judges concluded the man's dignity had been flagrantly violated
and awarded him an amount in Argentine peso's equivalent to
twelve dollars, and they wrote, this involves an image of
a person that was not captured in a public space,
but within the confines of their home, behind a fence
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taller than the average sized person. The invasion of privacy
is blatant, and they the judges further said, there's no
doubt that in this case there was an arbitrary intrusion
in to another's life. So in any case, Google is
going to have to pay him twelve and a half
thousand dollars. And let's see. The judges pointed to Google's
(01:17:11):
policy of blurring the faces and license plates of people
and vehicles photographed for street view as evidence that it
was aware of a duty to avoid harm to third parties.
I wouldn't that be funny if they blurred his face
and not his butt.
Speaker 5 (01:17:24):
Not his cheeks. Thousand enough for you get your naked
butt on a on street view.
Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
I'd do it for free. People texting us emojis.
Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
I think they're trying to Some of them I think
passed through. Some may not have. It's hard to say.
Somebody texted in with a tongue out smiley face and
then a couple of question marks and then some eyeballs,
So I don't know if the question marks were supposed
to be emojis or not.
Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
I see you already.
Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Responded to the text just before that one.
Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
That one.
Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Yeah, we can't really say much about that on the air.
Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
We can only do two of those five six five words,
just testing, just testing. The other three.
Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Yeah, we're not need to do it. No, not going
to do it. Uh. One very quick thing on the
on the BUCkies thing.
Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
I kind of enjoyed this because I got I got
two texts about the potential BUCkies for Palmer Lake that
that kind of answered each other. And here, let me
just go find this real quick. So one one text
was why would BUCkies accept such a one sided deal?
And and what the listener means by that is when
(01:18:34):
I when I shared how Bucky's going to be spending
many millions of dollars for building water infrastructure and covering
the cost of basically every improvement as well. Essentially, it
looks to me like palmer Lake isn't going to spend
anything and BUCkies is going to spend everything.
Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
And the listener again asks why.
Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Would BUCkies say yes to a seemingly one sided deal?
And then two textures later, literally thirty seconds later, a
different listener says, palmer Lake is absolutely broke, they need
to do this, and so that answers the question, right,
why would Bucky say yes to a seemingly one sided deal?
It's a one sided deal in the sense that the
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town of palmer Lake appears that they are not going
to spend any money on net for this project because
they don't have any money. But so if this is
gonna get done, then BUCkies has to spend all the money.
And it's not really that they're accepting a one sided deal,
it's that there is no other deal.
Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
That could be.
Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Done if the town of palmer Lake is as broke
as that listener says, So there you go. I just
thought that was interesting because it was sort of back
to back texts where one answered another, all right, what
else am I doing?
Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
What am I doing here?
Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Dragon?
Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Can you tell me what?
Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
Like?
Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Why am I even here.
Speaker 5 (01:19:51):
Am I gonna look at your show sheet when you
haven't yet today?
Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
I gonna help you out here flounder on your own.
Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Okay, So let me I've had this for a couple
of days and I just want to share it with you.
This comes from the tell Me Something I Don't Know files,
And this is a story that Axios put up about
a week ago entitled In this Axios Denver entitled hidden
and that's in quotes, hidden home ownership costs Coloraden's thousands.
(01:20:19):
And what's interesting about this piece is they're talking about
hidden expenses, So what does that mean? And I'm talking
about hitting expenses for home ownership, So that means how
much does it cost you to own.
Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Your home above and beyond your mortgage.
Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
So the way they're defining this, it includes property taxes, insurance, utilities,
internet and cable bills, and maintenance. And as I'm looking
at this now, Colorado does not do very well in
this list. The worst in the country is California, but Colorado,
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and then there are a few small Northeastern states that
have some big numbers in terms of in terms of
annual costs, but.
Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Colorado is really really high.
Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Even though all those other places have higher property taxes
than we do. We it looks like here, it looks
like we have much higher maintenance costs, which I guess
is not surprising because we live in a place that
has more hail, more snow than you know, Pencil or
New Jersey. Let's say, so, here's what this thing says.
(01:21:35):
Colorado homeowners spend an average of twenty five, seven hundred
and sixty six dollars per year on upkeep, another hidden expenses,
according to a study by bank Rates, and bank Rate
is a legit organization. So Colorado figures so again, I
just told you, it's just under twenty six thousand. The
average for the United States over all is twenty one
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thousan four hundred, and that itself is dragged up a
bit by Hawaii, which is thirty four and a half thousand,
because it's just so expensive to do everything there. So
states in the East Coast and West coast where home
values are high and property tax rates are high usually
see the highest hidden ownership costs. Sneaky expenses are generally
(01:22:18):
lower in southern and midwestern states.
Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
But the bottom line is Colorado is.
Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
One of the worst in the country when it comes
to the cost of home.
Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Ownership beyond your mortgage payment.
Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
And Colorado is the worst in the country of any
state that is not on a coast. And yet the
way I started this is to say, this comes from
the tell me something I don't know files. We have
all been living this, especially since COVID. We've been living
this for a long time now. Actually this goes well
before COVID. Part of the big problem we have here
(01:22:56):
is we had a couple of big hailstorms, remember that
you jailstorm like damaged Colorado mills, mall and all this stuff,
and property insurance rates went up a lot then, And then.
Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Property insurance rates have gone up a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
More because of fires like the Marshall fire up by Boulder.
Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Because what that.
Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Taught the insurance companies and homeowners alike is that you
can have big fires in places where you never thought
a big fire was possible.
Speaker 6 (01:23:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
You can imagine a big fire in the foothills, a
big fire by Evergreen or something where you're surrounded by forrest.
But who would have thought of a big fire near
flat Irons Mall in in Superior, Colorado?
Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
You just don't think of it.
Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
But now we've got that, and then of course the
maintenance costs from the snow and the hailing, on and
on and on. So anyway, it's not like I have
a solution. I just wanted to share the story with you.
We'll be right back. We're getting a lot more actual
emojis showing up in the screen than I expected.
Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
I know.
Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
That's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
I can't I don't know what they are, Like that
one where a person said ross and dragon.
Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Can you see these?
Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
That first one is at a beause it looks like
a monkey, a clown, yeh, clowns okay.
Speaker 5 (01:24:02):
The poop emoji a real to reel film camera.
Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
Oh is that what that is? Yeah? Or projector projector
project okay yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:24:09):
And then I'm buck popcorn.
Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Those all came through, and then another listener says, how
about the middle finger? And there is an emoji of
a bit of a middle finger flipping us off.
Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Well, I was flipping dragon off, not me, just based
on the dirt.
Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
Well, I'm the one that one of the emojis.
Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
So, yeah, why can't we send photos? Well technology, Yeah,
and because we're afraid of what you would what you
would send.
Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
So a listener.
Speaker 5 (01:24:34):
Actually asked an interesting question about you always email photos
if you're If no, please do Ross at iHeartMedia dot com.
I don't know how he was able to just get
Ross at iHeartMedia dot com. But there is also I'll
throw me under the bus as well. There buddy Dragon
at iHeartMedia dot com.
Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Dragon only send tasteful photos, travel photos, interesting food photos,
funny dog photos. Both of us love fo with any
number of moths in the photo.
Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
We both love those ucchiese Bell peppers, any of those things.
Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
A moth landing on a bell pepper would be excellent
if you really hate us both. So there's that. So
a quick thing on this the BUCkies. So we've been
talking a bit about BUCkies and how many millions they
are going to.
Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Spend if this deal happens.
Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
It sounds like they're going to probably have to spend
twenty five million.
Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
I'm just throwing out a number.
Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
I'm guessing they'll have to spend something in the area
of twenty plus million, separate from the cost of the building,
which is a lot, right, but just for infrastructure and
roads and things like that. And the listeners sent a
text where did that go? Where did that go? Hold on,
let me find it?
Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
How many years will.
Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
How many years will it take for BUCkies to start
making a profit? And so I actually think this is
an interesting question.
Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
And it depends what you mean.
Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Right, So if you if the question is how many
years will it take for BUCkies to run an operating
profit in that given year, well, obviously they'll probably do
that in the in the first year. But if the
question is, how many years will it take BUCkies to
make enough profit to over to pay all of their
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upfront expenses?
Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
How how long will it? I'm not wording this very well.
It's not like I talk for a living. How many
years of profit?
Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
Had?
Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Words are hard? How many years of profit will it
take BUCkies to offset all of the sunk costs for
infrastructure improvements.
Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
And building the building itself.
Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Now, let's just work together on this and come up
with some guesses. We know they're going to spend if
the deal happens the way it's been proposed. We know
they're going to spend fourteen million dollars on water infrastructure improvement.
We know that, and we don't know an amount on
this next thing, but we know they're gonna have to
spend a bunch of money improving roads, including a highway
interchange there at County Line Road. So what do you
(01:27:09):
think that is improving those roads? Improving County Line where
that could be ten million? Right? I was this Probably
I'm going to guess between five and ten. But this
is all just pulling numbers out of my you know what,
I really don't know. But let's call it. Let's take
something in the middle. Let's call it seven million. So
let's say they're at twenty one million with the water
and the roads, and then they're gonna have to make
(01:27:33):
that small bribe to the community and some that's small though,
it's a few hundred thousand. And then they're gonna have
to build a building. Now I don't know how much
that's gonna cost, But what do you think five million? No,
probably more, It's probably more to build something that big,
But let's call it. Let's call it another seven million.
I have no idea it could be seventeen million. Let's
(01:27:54):
call it seven million. So where are we so far?
Fourteen seven and seven, twenty eight million, and then let's
throw a couple more million on just for fun. So
let's say they're thirty million to build the place, and
again it could be much higher. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
I doubt it's much lower.
Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
So I asked chat GPT, what's the average annual profit
of a location of BUCkies? And this is actually quite interesting.
So dragon take a guess. And I don't think this
information is public, but I think people of the educated
people are looking at things and taking their best guess.
What is the average annual revenue per Bucky's store?
Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
And revenue does not mean profit.
Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Revenue just means how much money did they take in
from all their customers. You don't subtract what they paid
for the stuff that they sold or anything like that.
Just what are they taking at the cash register? What
are they taking at the gas pump? What do you
think their annual revenue is for an average BUCkies?
Speaker 5 (01:28:54):
It's probably close to that. I would think maybe ten
to fifteen email.
Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
So this is for the or the whole year.
Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Now, well, if you said ten million, you'd be pretty
close if you were talking about their monthly revenue, not
their annual revenue.
Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Good gravy, so one hundred and twenty million.
Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
With flagship locations possibly topping two hundred million. Now, the
average convenience store profit margin after everything a net profit
after cost of good sold and salaries and rent and
taxes is a little under two percent. Now, it is
commonly believed, and I believe that BUCkies operates at a
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higher margin than that. Right, They first of all, they
have a very huge space, so they get some economy.
Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Of scale there.
Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
They have somewhat high prices, and even on things that
they make themselves. Right, you buy a little bag of
those fabulous kind of roasted pecans or whatever they are,
and it's like seven or eight bucks, and it's probably
probably cost them eighty cents right to make this thing.
And so they've got some really good profit margins and
some stuff. So again according to the chat GPT, there's
(01:30:05):
some estimates that Bucky's margins might be double or even
more than double of that one point eight percent average
for convenience stores. So if you look at three percent
to five percent profit per year, and then if you
assume it's going to be an average location at one
hundred and twenty million in revenue, and if we're assuming
that number is right, but we'll just go with it,
(01:30:27):
then at a three percent profit margin, they would have
a profit of three point seventy five million dollars per
year I'm guessing that's a little low. At a five
percent profit margin, they would have a profit of six
and a quarter.
Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
Million dollars a year. So if we go in the middle.
Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
Of that and or you know, just yeah, actually right
in the middle and call it five million dollars of
profit a year. If we say that it took them
thirty million dollars to build it, then it would take
six years of profit. And you know, six year payback
is decent. It's nothing, it's decent. And their profit might
(01:31:09):
be higher, the profit margin might be high. I I
don't know, but anyway, I just thought that was a
very interesting question that from the listener that got me
to ask chet GPT what I thought was an interesting thing.
You looked like you were going to say something else, dragging.
Speaker 5 (01:31:21):
I was just reading a couple of other things. So
we may need to adjust those numbers from some text.
You're five million to build a nine thousand square foot homes,
so you made to adjust that number. Also, Air said
it cost fifty million to build BUCkies. So wow, yeah,
Air said, okay, so you know six to ten years, right, Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
That person that said the person that said it costs
fit oh, that's true because there's.
Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
A big gas station there. It's not just a building.
There's also a gas station that costs money. Ross BUCkies
paid forty million to open their Texas location in twenty
twenty four. Andy said that. A couple other people said that.
So here's my question for those who have the data
about BUCkies. When you're telling me these numbers forty million,
thirty eight million like that, do those numbers include the
(01:32:10):
infrastructure and whatever else they had to spend around it?
Or is that just for the facility, for the building
and the gas pumps and all right? Because if it's just,
if it's forty million for the building and the gas pumps.
Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
And then another twenty million.
Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
For all the other infrastructure, then you're at sixty million,
then you might be at ten to twelve years of
profit to cover all that, And to me, ten to
twelve years of profit to cover the upfront costs a
marginal proposition. You know, I think six years is great, right.
I think most businesses would do something with a six years,
(01:32:49):
six year.
Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
Payback, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
The other way I don't know, But there's also probably
we're gonna getting way in the weeds here, but there's
probably a ton of other like tax Considered and stuff
like that. So anyway, that's probably all I got for it,
because I'm just making stuff up, not making it up.
I'm guessing. I'm guessing, and it's fun to guess. But
(01:33:11):
I don't really have more information for you.
Speaker 5 (01:33:13):
There.
Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Oh, let me do this thing.
Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
This is a story.
Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
I wanted to talk about for a couple of days.
And this is sort of a I guess you'd call
it a national story. But from the Wall Street Journal,
the headline is CEOs are shrinking their workforces and they
couldn't be prouder. And the subhead is bosses aren't just
unapologetic about staff cuts. Many are touting shrinking head counts
(01:33:38):
as accomplishments in the AI era. And that last bit
in the AI era is very important, very interesting. Oh.
The New York Times is a reporting that Harvard might
settle with the federal government for five hundred million dollars
to get the Trump administration off their backs about all
the DEI stuff and not protecting Jewish students and so on.
Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Wow, that would be a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
But that's probably like one year or less of federal
front of Federal research grants at Harvard anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
Okay, so back to this thing. I remember.
Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
When companies, especially larger companies, public companies, where the CEOs
would have to do press conferences or go on earnings calls,
and what they still do now, where they would be
pretty shy, pretty reticent to talk about firing people, even
through attrition. Attrition meaning somebody retires or quits and you
(01:34:40):
don't hire someone to fill the spot, but you didn't
fire them. The job gets emptied voluntarily and then you
don't refill it.
Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
That's attrition.
Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
But in any case, it used to be that CEOs
would always want to talk about hiring people, growing the
number of people, and never want to talk about out
firing people. And you might think, for a second, well,
of course you sound like a bad guy when you're
firing people. But I don't think that's the concern. I
(01:35:08):
think the concern is a straightforward economic proposition that goes
like this back then and then is not very long ago, Okay,
ten years ago or.
Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
Five years ago.
Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
Back then, the concept was anytime you were hiring an employee,
you at least thought that you were hiring somebody who
would generate revenue or profit in excess of what it
(01:35:41):
cost you to hire them.
Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
Right, I'll give you. I'll give you a very basic example.
Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
You you're going to hire somebody to flip burgers at
McDonald's for twelve dollars an hour, which you can't do
anymore because the minion wage is much higher than that.
Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
But I'm talking about some years ago, you'd.
Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
Hire somebody to flip burgers for twelve dollars an hour
because you thought that their effective productivity, their gain to
your business was in excess of twelve dollars an hour.
And therefore, with every person you hire, assuming you're only
hiring people based on that hurdle, with every person you hire,
(01:36:20):
you would be increasing your company's profit. Otherwise you wouldn't
hire them.
Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
So that's the concept, and that's why they didn't want
to talk about firing people because if you're firing people,
it sounds like you are in a bad spot, because
theoretically you have people because they generate some profit, and
if you're firing people, it sounds like either your management
is bad, so you've got people who aren't generating profit
(01:36:46):
and you overhire to begin with, or or even if
they are generating some profit, your current expenses are so
high that you have to cut costs, even if it
means you're cutting a little bit of profit. That kind
of thing firing people had a bad implication, and CEOs
did not like to talk about it. And now and
(01:37:08):
this stands to reason as you think about it. And
I'm going to share a little bit with you from
this Wall Street Journal piece. And now it's changed because
of AI. This only happened a little little little bit
because of the Internet before AI, right, and computer programs
and things like that. And I'll give you an example,
and this is going back to the early days of
(01:37:29):
personal computers, the early days of reasonably affordable, easily available
computers for individuals and businesses. And that is think about
the rise of Microsoft Office of Excel. It wasn't called
office then, but of Excel, and before that, of similar
kinds of spreadsheets like lotus one, two, three D. You
remember that name.
Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
In any case, think what it meant when you might have.
Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Five bookkeepers at some company. You've got a fairly big company,
You're doing a lot of stuff. You've got five different bookkeepers,
each keeping their own spreadsheets on paper. And now suddenly
you've got this program. And now one or maybe two,
but definitely not more than two people would be necessary
(01:38:19):
to do what five people used to do, because and
this is not sarcasm, now, there's hardly ever been a
more unbelievably production productivity increasing piece of software than spreadsheets,
at least in certain part of business. It is just
(01:38:39):
incredible what you can do on spreadsheets and how many
fewer people you need. Right, So, some people lost jobs,
and other people didn't go into jobs that they might
have otherwise gone into that they were replaced by a spreadsheet. Right.
Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
So there was.
Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Bits of stuff like that throughout.
Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
The early part of the Internet era, and you hat
a little more here and a little more there. But
AI is different, and I actually think AI is going
to be more transformative of business even than the Internet was.
And that's hard to imagine, or at least equally transformative
of business as the Internet was. And like I said,
it's very hard to imagine that. But AI is going
(01:39:16):
to change so much. And the way you need to
think about it is that these folks are driven by profit. Right,
the CEOs, especially of public companies, all they care about
is a share price. They do not care about how
many people work for them. They don't, They just I
don't mean they're cruel. I mean they're focused on a
particular thing. Their goal is to get the share price up,
(01:39:40):
and so if they have a way to increase their profits,
they're going to do it.
Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
And this is what AI is doing.
Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
AI is going to absolutely decimate the ranks of relatively
low skill, white color workers r every and in almost
every industry. You can think of, even one day radio
host sole although I think that's probably relatively resilient for
a variety of reasons. And I'm not being sarcastic or
(01:40:11):
self promotional here, but think about a mediocre computer programmer,
Think about a mediocre a mid level manager who has
to make this or that decision based on some piece
of data. All of these people and infinitely more can
and will be replaced by AI. Let me just finish
this one thing, Mandy, and then you can jump in.
So from the Wall Street Journal, big companies are getting smaller,
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and their CEOs want everyone to know it.
Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
The careful coded corporate language.
Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
Executives once used in describing staff cuts is giving way
to blunt boasts about ever shrinking workforces. Gone are the
days when trimming headcount signaled retrenchment or trouble bosses are
showing off to Wall Street that they are embracing AI
and serious about becoming lean.
Speaker 1 (01:40:58):
Hi, Mandy, you know what's start with.
Speaker 9 (01:41:03):
You know what I always think is super interesting is that,
you know, Henry Ford really is kind of the modern
father of industrialization, right. He took an industrial process that
took a lot of people, and then he streamlined it
so it would be way more efficient. But even Henry
Ford recognized that in order to have a customer base,
he needed to have employees. And the way he treated
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his employees was exponentially better than the next guy because
his attitude was I'm going to pay my employees enough
so they can use my product. Now, at some point,
if we have enough corporations, and you're absolutely right, by
the way, I'm not arguing the point you just made,
but at some point you run out of customers when
everyone is unemployed. But to your point, like first to
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third year associates in a law firm, they're all going.
Speaker 10 (01:41:49):
To be replaced by AI.
Speaker 9 (01:41:51):
I think the legal industry is going to be decimated
by AI.
Speaker 10 (01:41:56):
I really believe that.
Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
A couple of years ago, when the you know, it's
weird because this environment where it is evolving so quickly AI.
It's hard to describe how fast it's moving. But it
was already a couple of years ago. I had a
guy on the show who's creating an app that will
in states that allow it be your lawyer for smaller cases.
Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
Right, it's like for traffic cases and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
You know.
Speaker 10 (01:42:20):
But hey, I'm on the air with Ross right now.
Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
Is that Chuck?
Speaker 9 (01:42:23):
Yes, chock, Hi, chock, Okay, I'll call you back, all right, bye, chock.
Speaker 10 (01:42:28):
Yeah, he said by something, all right, yeah, yeah, anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
Yeah, I mean so I agree with you.
Speaker 9 (01:42:33):
It's it's the economy in the very near term is
going to be defined by people who know how to
use AI and people who don't. Right, And the people
who don't you better have a trade because they're not
going to replace a plumber anytime soon.
Speaker 10 (01:42:46):
With AI. I'm telling you, the trades are going to search.
Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
And the other thing that's much harder to predict is
that AI will also allow the creation of all kinds
of new businesses, new jobs that we never thought of before.
Speaker 1 (01:43:03):
And it's easy to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
AI is going to replace that lawyer and that computer
programmer and that mid manager and it's all true. It's
harder to imagine, but I promise you smarter people than I,
and maybe even smarter than Mandy, are out there thinking
about how they can use AI to do something new.
Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
What do you have coming up?
Speaker 9 (01:43:21):
I got this clown right at the beginning of the show.
I think people that you know this guy is coming
on to talk about healthcare spending.
Speaker 10 (01:43:29):
I'll try and perk him up.
Speaker 9 (01:43:30):
He's just a real drag on the radio, and we'll see.
And then a little bit later, I'm talking to my
friend David Strawm at hot air dot com. A couple
of stories he's got, you know, I'd love to get
into it a little bit when we have more time.
Ross about is your viewpoint on the way Trump is
using tariffs? Has it shifted at all from the actual
endgame being the tariffs to the end game being let
me use this to force people to do what I
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want to do.
Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (01:43:53):
Evin and I are going to talk about that.
Speaker 4 (01:43:54):
Yeah, that'll be great.
Speaker 9 (01:43:55):
Kessler leaving the Washington do you have the pinocchios to
kick around anymore?
Speaker 10 (01:44:00):
He took the buy out. No one's going to miss him.
Speaker 1 (01:44:03):
No spoiler alert, not at all.
Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Everybody stick around for Mandy's shenanigans, and whoever her first
boring guest is going to be
Koa, we are one hundred years old. That's kind of amazing.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Although producer Shannon and I together not separately but together
are more than one hundred, but separately we're not really
very close to one hundred, although some days it feels
that way. Shannon, I had meant to ask you something
yesterday and I didn't.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
And because I don't.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Want to start today's show by talking about people dying
in New York, which I will have to get to
in a moment, I would like to start with something
a little lighter. I would like you to regale me
and those listening to us right now with a brief
tale of what you did over the weekend at a
youth rodeo, which sounds like one of the funnest gigs ever.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It was a blast with the voice of the Buffs,
Mark Johnson calling the action. I played some rock and
roll over the speakers while the kids were busting their muttons.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Is there anything in the world funnier than mutt and busting.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Very little? Yeah? Where was the rodeo? And how cool
ad they Kiowa?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
And they got Mark Johnson out there? Can you imagine
that voice? Which I woul't attempt to impersonate, because the
only person who could probably get almost slightly close would
be Roach.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Right, I can't I wouldn't even try.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Can you imagine having that voice calling Mutton Bustin? It
must have been just one of the greatest, one of
the greatest things.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm old Jimmy's hanging on for dear life. Therry goes.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Very good and for those of you, but still not
as good as Mark Johnson himself. He's got a very
special voice. For those of you who don't know what
Mutton Bustin is, just go look it up, just go
watch a video. It will it will make your day.
And producer Shannon got to watch that and do sound
at the Kiowa Kids. Is it part? Was it part
of a bigger rodeo? Or was the whole thing just
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a kid's rodeo?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I think that somehow there was a scheduling thing, something
got posted and this was like the youth portion of
what was supposed to be a bigger event moved to
a different weekend.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Gotcha all right? Well I was.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I was slightly jealous of that story, so I thought
I thought we would share it with listener. And there's
one of the voices that we cannot match. All right, guys,
there's a lot to talk about today. I'll just talk
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briefly about this shooting in New York. Obviously you heard
about it a lot already. The story has certainly developed
since last night. At this point, what we know is
a guy driving a black BMW Sedan drove in a
hurry from Las Vegas to New York, getting there in
less than two days, like apparently a day and a
half or so.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
To get from Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
To New York. He double parked his car outside of
a massive building in New York City, a building that
is one of the buildings in New York that is
big enough that it has its own zip code.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Did you know that, Shannon.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's a full city block, I believe, and it has
its own zip code, and you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
In the heart of Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So a lot of big companies are there, including KPMG,
the huge accounting slash consulting firm, but also the NFL.
So this guy double parks his car. African American guy,
I guess, walks that he's wearing a sport coat and
sunglasses and holding a long gun, holding an M four
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AR fifteen kind of gun. Just as he's walking across
the sort of the plaza between the street and the building,
walks into the building, kills a police officer, a Bangladeshi
immigrant in his I think early thirties, maybe two kids,
pregnant wife.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
He's gone now.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
A lady walks out of the elevator, passed just as
the shooter gets to the elevator, and he lets her go.
Didn't do anything, she just goes. Eventually he gets into
the building. He shoots a few other people, and I
don't I'm not exactly clear on who got shot on
what floor versus in the lobby. An executive from from Blackrock,
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the huge investment firm, was killed. An employee of the
NFL was wounded. In total, four people were killed, and
the shooter apparently killed himself.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
He has not counted among the four.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
When I say four people were killed, I am not
counting the shooter again, apparently a self inflicted wound to
take himself out. Now, when I first heard the story
and they were kind of talking about who's in this building,
you know it, and the big names, it didn't seem
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all that likely that someone's gonna go on a shooting
rampage against an accounting company, although you never really know
there could be financial stuff, but it seemed like, even
though I didn't have a reason in mind, like the
NFL might have been the target. And so what we've
learned this morning is that the Mayor of New York
(05:21):
has said that the gunmen was targeting the NFL offices
but got in the wrong elevator and he got off
the elevator on I think it was the thirty third floor,
which is the offices of a big real estate company
that happens to be the company that owns and manages
that building. But it wasn't his target. And you know,
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we don't have a lot of buildings like this in Denver,
but a few office buildings like this in Denver and
maybe other places that you've experienced it, where the buildings
are big enough that they have multiple banks of elevators,
where each bank of elevators serves a different range of floors. Right,
So if you're trying to go from floor eight to
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floor twenty eight, you'll get in this bank of elevators,
and if you're trying to go from twenty nine to
forty nine, you'll get in the other.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Bank of elevators.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
And the mayor of New York City is saying that
they believe this guy got on the got in an
elevator in the wrong bank of elevators, and it couldn't
get him where he was trying to go.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
They also have said now that.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
They found what the AP describes as a rambling note.
And by the way, this guy is already known to
have had a history of mental illness, but a rambling
note that was on his person, and I'm quoting from
the AP, that suggested that he had a grievance against
the NFL over a claim that he suffered from chronic
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traumatic encephalopathy.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Now, that is.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
A nasty ailment that apparently you can get from banging
your head too many times, and it can actually cause
like holes in your b and can cause essentially like
dementia at quite.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
A young age.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Now, this guy, as I did my own research this morning,
played football. I was a running back in high school.
But as far as I can tell, he did not
play in college and definitely did not play in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
But I don't know whether he did or didn't.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I mean, I don't think you can diagnose CTE until
the person is dead and you actually look at the brain.
I think that's from what I heard some years ago.
Maybe technology has changed in order to be able to
diagnose it. But in any case, I could be wrong
about that. But in any case, he never played in
the NFL. But if he is already a guy with
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significant mental illness, he might have just in his mind
attributed his mental illness to being hit in the head
a lot playing football and then attribute that to the NFL,
even though as far as we can tell, he had
no connection to the NFL. In any case, you know,
as the mayor said, he seems to have blamed the
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NFL for whatever is going on in his brain. The
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell called it an unspeakable act of
violence in our building. Obviously very sorry for the loss
of life, except for the loss of life of the shooter.
You know, when people are going to, you know, go
kill others and kill themselves, I wish they would reverse
the order kill himself first and then you can try
(08:24):
to deal with the rest after. But if I'm going
to try to, and it's difficult to do because they're
dead people.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But I guess what I would.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Say is somebody who goes into a big office building,
even though it was a little bit after hours, like
six point thirty PM goes into a big office building
with an AR fifteen or similar rifle and only four
people die. Perhaps perhaps we got a little lucky. I'll
just share one because it kind of encapsulates what several
different listeners have said by text.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
My guess is that he wanted to take the NFL
down so that players wouldn't suffer like he did, eliminating
the sports of brain injury wouldn't happen to those players.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Just a thought.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, so again, we don't We don't know he he
only played football in high school, and I very much
doubt that he was actually diagnosed with CTE. Maybe he
thinks he maybe he thought he's dead now, maybe he
thought he had ct In fact, let me ask the
(09:24):
Google machine something. Uh, let me ask the Google machine,
how do you diagnose ct E? Because my my thought
and I remember, oh my gosh, what's the name of
the San Diego Chargers linebacker who died maybe maybe killed himself? Yeah, yeah,
(09:51):
that's right, junior, right, junior sail June. Let me let
me look this up real quick, because did he kill himself?
I'm trying to remember. He was elected to the Pro
Football Hall of Fame in twenty fifteen, and that was
after he died. So he died, Yes, he killed himself
(10:12):
in twenty twelve at the age of forty three. And
I remember from that story, from that terrible story. By
the way, I as a kid. I grew up a
San Diego Chargers fan back in the Dan Fouts days
when I was living in San Diego County I'm talking
about now, in the late seventies and early eighties, right.
(10:33):
So anyway, so Junior Seau had CTE killed himself, and
I remember, I think I remember hearing at the time
that you can't diagnose CTE until you actually, until you
actually like literally get your hands on the person's brain
(10:54):
and examine it. And so I just wanted to see
if that's still the case, because if this guy says
said while he was alive that he had CTE, then
if I'm right, then well then he yeah, should have
shot himself, like before he shot what in the chest?
Is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, Junior say I shot?
(11:14):
Oh he did this guy shot himself in the chest? Interesting? Okay,
I wonder if he did that intentionally. Well, I do
have another thought on that. Actually this is a little morbid.
I'll get to that. That's a good point, Shannon. So
so Junior said, I shot himself in the chest, and
Shannon says, this guy shot himself in the chest. Now,
this guy thought he had CTE. If I'm right, he
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couldn't have known that. But he doesn't mean he's wrong,
but it means he couldn't have known. So I just
typed this into the to the to the search bar here.
CTE can only be definitively diagnosed through post mortem brain
tissue analysis. There is no way to diagnose CTE in
living individuals, although doctors can try to assess symptoms and
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try to potentially diagnosed suspected.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Or probable CTE.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
So maybe that was that guy's case, but he couldn't
have known for sure. But I think one reason that potentially,
Junior say out as well as this guy might have
shot themselves in the chest when normally when someone is
going to commit suicide with a firearm, they shoot themselves
in the head.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Not that I'm expert on this, but is that.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
They wanted their brains to be available for medical research afterwards,
so they didn't want to shoot themselves in the head
and do that. So I'm speculating on that, but I
don't think it's I don't think it's crazy speculation, even
though it's not really a thing I like talking about.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So I'm going to move on.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
So you heard Pat Woodard mentioned in the news that
the trial of the Aurora dentist who is accused of
poisoning his wife and had been drugging her for some
years but then killed her.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I think with cyanide.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
This trial is absolutely nuts. By the way, it's absolutely nuts.
There was a story in the Denver Gazette, and I'm
only looking at the headline right now, but it says
Aurora dentist asked cellmate for help hiring a person to
kill the homicide detective and to create fake evidence.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
How nuts is that?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
This guy absolutely freaking out of his mind. And I
guess he was poisoning his wife for some time she
was in the hospital, and I guess he finished her
off with cyanide. I'm trying to remember the details of
the story because I haven't read a lot about it,
but I think maybe maybe he dosed her with some
more cyanide while she was in the hospital.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I could be remembering that wrong.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
But this guy is so out of his mind that
he asked a prison cellmate while he was in prison
after being arrested for the murder to help him find
someone to kill the detective who was on the case.
Can you imagine? Can you imagine? All Right, We're gonna
take a quick break when we come back. You know,
I love having thriller novelists on the show. I've got
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one this week, I've got another one next week. But
coming up in the next segment, we're gonna have Brian Freeman,
who is now three or four, maybe four books into
being the current writer of the continuation of the Robert
Ludlum Jason Bourne series, one of the most famous series
of thriller novels ever. Had movies made you know of
(14:29):
the earlier born novels and so on. Brian Freeman joins
us next, Hi, Brian, good to see you again. Yeah,
good to see you. Usually I don't get to do that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Likewise, as always, I have read the whole book before
having you on the show, which is I'm sure not
always true when.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
You talk to radio people.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
In any case, Brian Freeman is a best selling thriller
author of his own series of books, as well as
having had the distinct privilege of being asked to continue
what might be the most famous thriller series in history perhaps,
and it's certainly you know in the in the A list.
(15:10):
If it's not number one, might be number one though,
and that is of course, the the Jason Bourne series
that was begun by the famous Robert Ludlam, who passed
away quite a few years ago at this point.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
So Brian is back with his latest. Is this third
fourth by you? I believe it or not?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
It is already my seventh.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Oh my gosh, where does the time go?
Speaker 5 (15:33):
All right?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Exactly right, Brian's Brian seventh. It's called The Bourne Escape.
I read the whole thing and it cost me a
couple of nights of sleep, but it was worth it.
Hard book to put down, as usual from from Brian Freeman,
and all the Born books are interesting. This one I
found the way you dealt with memory loss, which is
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always a big thing with but became a bigger thing.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
In this book. Can you talk about that a little bit?
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (16:07):
I really wanted to kind of go back to the
roots of the series. Some of the characters from Ludlum's
original book, The Bourne Identity make a reappearance in this novel.
And I've been kind of laying the groundwork in the
last couple of books talking about the idea that tread
Stone doesn't really know what Bourne's real state is in
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terms of his memory and whether he's at risk for
further memory loss, and so it kind of all explodes
in this book, and suddenly he's finding himself back in
a situation where he doesn't know who he is and
he has to piece together the fragments of his path
while he's also getting pulled into this chase across Europe.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Let's just do just for one time here a brief
step back for the few people who might not know
Jason Bourne and Treadstone. So just give me like nineteen seconds,
because I like prime numbers on what is tread Stone
and who is Jason, Like who is this person we're
talking about in this book, and then we'll get back
to details.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Yeah, Treadstone is the super secret spy agency that Burn
works for. And several years ago he was doing a
mission for Treadstone and the Mediterranean and he was shot
on a boat and wound up floating in the sea,
and when he came to he had no idea who
he was, and so the nature of the whole Born
identity Lovelum's original book was Jason Bourne trying to figure
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out who he is and why he has the skills
he does.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
So other than Jason Bourne, I'd say the two most
important characters, maybe the three most important characters in this
book are all women.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
There's one important character who's a man who we used
to think is dead, you know, maybe he's sort of
tied with I'll use a name with vandal in level
of importance, something like that.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
But very heavy on the female characters here.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Is that just a natural outgrowth of how you've been
developing the plot or are you really aiming to focus
on female characters just part of you think female spies
are particularly interesting and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Well, yeah, I do.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
I mean, that's that's you know, that's a that's a
great you know, a great place to begin with anyway.
But the thing about the thing about the Born character,
which is really different from what you find in the
Matt Damon movies, where Born is kind of this isolated, laconic,
cynical hero that's very different from the way Ludlum built
him out in his books. I think in the books
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Bourne is is not a loner, and he really needs
someone in his life. He needs a relationship in his life,
and and so I wanted to to kind of focus
on that in my reboot of the Born series, so
that Bourne's relationships with the women in his life become
very central to who he is.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I ask you this every time, but I'm gonna I'm
gonna ask again, but again, as you said, you're seven
books into it now, But what does it mean to
you to be the dude who's writing one of the
most famous I guess you'd call him a spy uh
of all time and you're doing this?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
How does that feel?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
You know?
Speaker 6 (19:05):
My first reaction when when I got the gig was say, oh, oh
my god. And my second reaction was, oh my god.
It's intimidating, you know, stepping into the shoes of a
giant like Ludlaman and such an iconic character as Born.
But it's also been among the most the most enjoyable
fun writing I've done in my life. I mean, I
look back on when I was I would have been
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seventeen years old back in nineteen eighty when the Bourne
identity first came out. And if you had told that
teenager back then that some four decades later, books would
be coming out with with my name and Robert Ludlum's
name together on the cover, I would have thought you
were crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
But here we are. So you write another series of
books with your main your main, dude, Jonathan Stride, is
it difficult for you as a writer and are you
are you kind of alternating or are you spending all
your time on Born or how is this working for you?
And then my real question is if you are writing both,
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how do you keep it straight? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I do go back and forth.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
I write Bourne novels and I still write my own books,
both Jonathan Stride novels and standalones as well. In fact,
my last novel was a standalone Break Every Rule, came
out last fall, and I have a new standalone mystery
called Photographs coming out in October. But you know, I
think what I going back and forth. I think what
makes it work for me is I do get a
chance to tell very different stories with very different characters.
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If everything I wrote with sort of Born esque action thrillers,
and that would be a lot harder become a creative standpoint.
But being able to put down Born and pick up
Jonathan Stride and write sort of gritty police procedurals and
put that down and write, you know, very emotional mysteries
like Photograph with a female first person narrative. That's what
keeps it exciting for me, is I get to kind
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of bring all these very very different characters to life.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
We're talking with Brian Freeman and his newest novel in
the Born series is The Born Escape bou.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
R n E.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
And you can actually see all of Brian's stuff at
his own website, which is b like for Brian Freemanbooks
dot com b Freeman books dot com.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
You mentioned how Matt.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Damon plays Born differently from how you understand Born from
the books. Do you do you think there's gonna be
another movie, whether or not it's with or mini series
like like God, like Jack Carr is doing with Terminalists
and that kind of thing, any any anything you can
tell us without having to kill us?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, I sure hope.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
So I mean that that seems like such a you know,
a slow pitch across the plate to bring Born back,
particularly in something like a streaming series I mean, you know,
Amazon has had such luck with with Jack Reacher and
Jack Ryan, and it seems like, uh, you know, bringing
Jason Bourne back in that same kind of limited series
would be would be such a natural thing, whether or
not they choose to do you know, new movies as well.
(21:56):
You know, I mean, Matt Damon maybe getting you know,
a little old to take on the Born character. But hey,
you know, it's not exactly like Liam Neeson as a
spring Chicken and he's still doing thrillers or Tom Cruis, right, yeah,
exactly exactly. So you know that, I know that they
are having talks out there. Universal has been kind of
dropping hints around about trying to do something more with Bourne,
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but I haven't seen anything specific yet.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I just hope they do it.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
I think that it would be great to have Born
back on screen or TV, and hey, they've got a
lot of stories they could you know, draw from right away.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I always try to be very careful when talking about
books on the show to not give spoilers and make
sure I don't say things that you know, would cause
people to feel like they don't need to go read
the book. So I hope this doesn't fall into that category.
I'm going to go ahead anyway, but at some point
in the book, Jason Bourne meets well, I won't even
use the name, Jason Bourne meets one of the world's
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most famous dictators, right, and you can decide if you
want to give the name or not. But it's a
super interesting scene. And I wonder how you thought about that.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Yeah, you know, I've been kind of laying the groundwork
a little bit for a couple of books because this
this sparring match long distance between Born and Yeah, I'll
go ahead and say it. It's Vladimir Putin. I really thought,
long and heart, did I want to actually bring Putin
into this book? And you know, I had conversations with
the folks at Putnam and the Ludlam Estate about whether
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they wanted me to actually use, you know, the name
of the character in there, and they didn't have any
problem with it. And I thought it would just add
this extra dose of realism to the book. I hope
that doesn't mean anybody's going to be stabbing me with
a poisoned umbrella.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
You know, it would be it would be really something,
wouldn't it if Putin like read the book and said
something about it.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I wonder.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I only wonder a little bit because he's a bad
dude in the world would be better off without him, right,
But I do wonder a little bit if someone's going
to tell him, Hey, Vlad, you know you're a character
in this book, and then you know, and then and
then I'll read it. I wonder if the book will
be translated into Russian. I mean, I bet he could
read English a little bit, at least at least moderately.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
But that would be interesting. I do wonder about that too.
And yeah, I don't know how I how I feel
about that.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Yeah, we'll take.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
It as it come.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
So if if you don't have a chance to interview
me again, I guess we'll know what happened.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
My producer.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
My producer just said, for the second printing of the book,
you should get a blurb from Putin. Oh my gosh,
that's pretty funny. All right, let's just do like one
or two more quick questions. So the the book ends
with a lot of drama and some real changes to
Bourne's world, and it ends up with him seeming to
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think about whether he wants to get back to his
old line of work. I think I can say that
without spoiling anything.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Do you already have in mind?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
What what the next book?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Or have you already started the next book?
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Yeah, in fact, the next book is done, it's I
can and The Born Revenge will be coming out in January,
so it won't be very long at all before we
get Born back.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
But but yeah, the The Born.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
Escape is I think the most personal of the Born stories,
and you can definitely feel that at the end of
the book. But there's always been kind of this push
me pull your relationship between Born and Treadstone and and
and particularly now that his his Treadstone, you know, boss
and Handler is his shadow with whom he has this relationship.
(25:35):
So I I knew that in the essence of what
happens at the end of The Born Escape would sort
of lead me right into the plot of the next book,
and it definitely does. The title itself, The Born Revenge
gives you a couple of ideas about you know, where
it might go.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
So let's see, I'm I have the book in my
hand right now. It's just under four hundred pages. And
how long did it How long did it take you
to write this one and and and break it out
for me? How long did it take you to write
a first draft and then how long did it take
you to go through and edit it?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Usually it takes me about you know, four to five
months to do the first draft and and then you know,
we'll go through the editorial process. I'm I'm one of
those obsessive editors.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I just like to, you know, cut it as you go.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
It's a paragraph until until it's exactly the way I
want it. I will say though, that you know, Putnam
has had me writing two Born books a year for
the last couple of years, so the.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Deadlines are such that a lot of time.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
To be tweaking every word. Wow, it's sort of like having,
you know, your your life be an action thriller because
you're just kind of you know, you know, pushing out
the pages every day.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
If if you.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
If you could rewrite your contract to have one book
a year instead of two, would you would you do that?
Or are you happy with the pace and with the
paychecks that come with two books a year instead of one?
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Well, I certainly like the paychecks that come with two
books a year, But for me personally, from a creative standpoint,
I'd love to be doing I'd love to be doing
one book a year, just because again I like to
what my favorite part of the process is the editing,
and I love being able to go back over the book,
you know, once the words are on the page, and
just tweak everything and get it just the way I
want it.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
How many books are in this current contract?
Speaker 6 (27:19):
The Born Revenge is the last book and a two
book contract. Gotcha, that's the one that's the one coming
out in January, all right?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And like these are questions I should be asking you
over a bourbon and not in public, and you know,
in front of thousands of people, but I'll ask you anyway.
So you know, now you've done seven books, you're a
huge hit. Everyone knows you can do this and you're
good at it. So do you think in your next
contract you might say, let's slow the pace.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
A little bit.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
I don't know, We'll we'll see what happens, you know.
I try not to think too far ahead, mostly because
from a creative standpoint when it comes to the books,
I like to have born and all of my characters
evolve based on what's happening to them in the book,
and I don't think to think out the character of
the plots very much. Farther than where I are, so
(28:05):
where I am, So you know, we'll we'll take it
as it comes and we'll see what happens next. But
that's what keeps it fresh and exciting for me too.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Brian Freeman's latest in the Born series is The Born Escape,
a wonderful just thoroughly enjoyable thrill ride as all O'Brien's
books are, and in a great summer read. So you
can buy it now wherever you buy your books. The
Born that's b o U r n E.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Escape, And you can.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Check out more of Brian's work at his own website
if you would like to do that, be the letter
b Freeman books dot com. Always great to talk to you, Brian,
Thanks for another Thanks for entertaining me yet again with
another with another Born book. Boy, the time goes now
that it's seven already, Wow, Thank you so much. Great
to talk to you, all right, good seeing you all right, folks,
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go buy the book and read it really fun.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I'm gonna do something different.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I mentioned yesterday on the show and played some music
yesterday on the show from Tom Lehrer, who passed away
at the age of ninety seven, and I read this
great piece over at the Spectator, not the American Spectator,
but the other one, and I just thought I would
share it with you. It's a little bit of an
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odd thing for me to decide to share in the
sense that I'm going to share with you here something
of an obituary of a guy who is only a
little bit famous, right, especially people these days. It's going
to be mostly mostly my older listeners, probably although I'm
I'm you know, I'm not old. Who are longtime Tom
lehr fans, right? Because anyway, I'm gonna share this with
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you because I just think Tom Lair's music is still good,
and also because I think he's just such an interesting character.
Tom lerr l e h r e r. If you
go on YouTube, you can look up some of his
you'll see a whole bunch of his his stuff. But
I just want to share this with you. I might
not read all of it, I might skip over a
little bit. But this is written by a guy named
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Alexander A. Larmin la r m An for The Spectator
and the headline is rip Tom Lehrer and the subhead
and I love this is the musician dash comedian spread
like herpes rather than like Ebola. It's a funny line,
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and I'll get to it in a minute. The death
on Saturday of the musician, humorist, and mathematician Tom Lehrer
at the impressive age of ninety seven, brings to brings
a near end to a great American tradition of edgy,
sometimes almost unsayable satire. Among a post war generation of
New York Jews, only mel Brooks and Woody Allen are
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still carrying the torch, and neither of them are young men. Still,
for all of their impressive achievements, it's hard to equal
Lehror's unfathomable genius.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
At his peak.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Equally stunning is the realization that this peak only spanned
a decade.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
He recorded two studio albums.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
In nineteen fifty three and nineteen fifty nine, and three
live albums between nineteen fifty nine and nineteen sixty five.
Yet the songs he wrote remain extraordinary giddy delights, combining
tuneful arrangements with did he really say that?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Lyrics.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
It was not for nothing that later Lerer once suavely remarked,
if after hearing my songs, just one human is inspired
to say something nasty to a friend or perhaps to
strike a loved one. It will all have been worth
the while. It's no I love fad line. It's no
exaggeration to describe Leerr as an American answer to Gilbert
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and Sullivan had that pairing comprised of mathematical genius who
cheerfully penned lyrics about murder, bigotry, and the apocalypse, all
set to the kind of piano based ditties that inspired
Randy Newman, Billy Joel, and many many more. Learrer's switching
to musical comedy came when he was already well into
his doctoral and academic studies at Harvard. In the Fish,
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he took great pleasure in writing the kinds of catchy,
incisive songs that were equally beloved by students and colleagues splendidly.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Throughout his time at Harvard.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
He would occasionally burst into song in lectures.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Some of his music such as the Elements.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Which I have played on this show, but I didn't
play yesterday.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
It's basically him.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Singing the name of every then known element of the
periodic table, but not in the order that they are
in the periodic table in yes and he listens them
all to the tune of Gilbert and Sullivan's major general
song from HMS Pinafore was clever and witty, whereas some
songs were entertainingly macabre, such as the dark ballad I
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Hold your Hand in Mind, in which it becomes very
clear that a devoted lover is a bit too devoted
by the way. I will just just you understand. In
that song I hold your hand in mine, it's like
and I press it to my lips, dear, I take
a healthy bite of your dainty fingertips.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I'm not reading the lyrics I remember, but in.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Any case, in any case, it turns out that the
person who's holding her hand, that's the only part of
her that's there. He's dismembered her and he's holding her hand.
It's fabulous. Larr enjoyed enormous popularity in the UK. Princess
Margaret was a noted admirer of his, and in Australia
as well. I'm gonna let's say skip ahead here. A
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little he does has a song called National Brotherhood Week
and yeah, it's pretty fun.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
I'll just keep it. I'll skip ahead. The best.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
The bespectacled, cheery and ever charming Leerr was an unlikely provocateur,
but many of his most outrageous songs, such as his
upbeat reflection on World War Three, is likely outcome quote
we will all go together when we go end quote.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
That's the title of the song.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
We're considered as so shocking that they couldn't be played
on the radio or TV.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
In America or Britain.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
As The New York Times wrote in nineteen fifty nine,
mister larr is not fettered by such.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Inhibiting feature as taste.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
In the early nineteen seventies, Larrer had essentially retired from
both songwriting and public performance, leaving a very select corpus
behind him.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
He remarked in twenty.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Thirteen that he had written a total of thirty seven
songs in twenty years and performed a mere one hundred
and nine. Shows that he had had the impact that
he had indicates the brilliance.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Of these songs.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
If you had wished, however, to hear Lehrer turn his
attention to Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton or Donald Trump, forget it.
He once quipped that quote political satire became obsolete when
Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, and certainly
he remained a figure of his time, Yet even in
his eventual retirement, he was capable of causing amusement, if
not outrage. When the rapper two Chains sampled his song
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The Old Dope Peddler, Larrer's remark was Learrer's reaction was
to remark, quote, as sole copyright owner of the Old
Dope Pedler, I grant you mf ers, but he said
the whole word permission to do this. Please give my
regard to mister Chains, or may I.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Call him too?
Speaker 2 (35:07):
And in a splendidly generous gesture to the world, Lehr
put his entire work into the public domain in twenty
twenty two, allowing anyone to do what they liked with
his peerless music. As he once said, quote, my songs
spread slowly like herpies rather than Ebola. Let us hope
the reaction to the great Man's demise leads to his
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brilliantly barbed work tearing through society that still needs to
hear it like the most virulent strain of herpes.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Imaginable.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
That is a wonderful obituary of Tom Larr written by
a gentleman.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Maybe he's not a gentleman.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I don't know named Alexander Laarman for the Spectator.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Oh dear god, well you actually did well the last yeah,
last time. We'll see how you do this.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Right, here we go.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Russ pumples up the tiny ball into his tiny hands.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
What you're a shorter guy, Why do not have tiny hands?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
You are not a basketball say about guys with tiny hands?
You can? True, I can almost palm a basketball. I'm
pretty good basketball player in high school.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Ross crumbles up the tiny ball into his big Harry knits.
Does that work for you?
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Is that better?
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Wets his finger, sticks it up in the air, checks
the wind direction coming from east to west, this time
in the control room, so we better make sure that
he adjusts for that. The trash can is set up
in the normal corner that it is. Ross picks back
and oh banks it off the back and into the
trash can.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Wow, twice in a row. This is amazing. Do you
think that's exciting sports radio? You know?
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Do you think we could do that like in KOA
Sports or Broncos Country at night and have have all
the sports fancy?
Speaker 1 (36:44):
That's awesome? Like that's some serious.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
I'm no Johnson, I'm no Jack or Jerry. I have
no Rick or Daves. I don't know how exciting it
could be.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
You're a fine announcer. Now, you're a fine announcer. Yeah,
good stuff. I mean you seem to be pretty good.
You can getting better, I'm getting better. No, well, I
think it's because we're adjusting for the wind a little better, right, help, Yeah,
it helps?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
All right.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
We have a lot of stuff still to do today,
although I have no idea what it is, but we're
gonna make it up as we go along, because.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
This is create a show sheet today.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
This is semi professional radio here on the Ross Comisky.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
I did the opposite Dragon did. You're just not gonna
follow it?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Right?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Well, the thing is not only did.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I create a show sheet, I created a show sheet
with even.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
More on it than usual.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
So now I'm more confused than usual, because you know,
you know how this goes. I put stuff in the
very first segment that I don't get in that I
don't get to, and then I spend the rest of
the show try Domino's and try to catch up and
work stuff like that. All right, So I am going
to do something now that I was going to do
in the first segment of the show, but didn't so
the President, and I promise you this is actually a
(37:49):
local story, even though I'm going to start by talking
about Donald Trump. The President put out a an executive
order last week entitled Ending Crime and Disorder on America's
Streets and the section of the first section is the
purpose and Policy section and says, endemic vagrancy, disorderly behavior,
sudden confrontations, and violent attacks have made our cities unsafe.
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The number of individuals living on the streets in the
United States on a single night during the last year
of the previous administration, two hundred and seventy four two
hundred and twenty four people, was.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
The highest ever recorded.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
The overwhelming majority of these are are addicted to drugs,
have mental health conditions, or both. Nearly two thirds of
homeless individuals report having regularly used hard drugs like methamphetamines, cocaine,
or opioids in their lifetimes, and equally large share reported
suffering from mental health conditions. The federal government and states
have spent tens of billions of dollars on failed programs
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to address homelessness but not its root causes, leaving other
citizens vulnerable to public safety threats. So then there's a
whole bunch of stuff that I'm not going to read
you kind of talks about what.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
They're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
And one of the big things though, is to encourage
what they call civil commitment of individuals with mental illness
who pose risks to themselves or the public. And what
that basically means is an institution, a mental institution. Now,
years ago we did this and I don't remember what year.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
It was, but there was a year.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
There was a president, it might have been Bill Clinton,
who closed down many of the public institutions. I wouldn't
go quite so far as to call them insane asylums.
I don't think it's that far, but kind of like
mental hospitals for people who can be treated right and
need help, need treatment, but they shut them down, and
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it really kind of changed the nature of treating the
homeless who are homeless because.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Of this kind of issue.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Let's say, and so now the Trump administration wants the
federal government to jump in to leverage states to change
how states approach the homeless issue, where the lever from
the federal government is grant money. Because the federal government
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is not directly involved in this stuff generally, right, the
states do what the cities do it, but the federal
government likens so many other things, like education is a
big one. The federal government gets involved providing money, and
you know, he who pays the piper, you know, chooses
the tune. And this is besides the whole thing we're
(40:33):
going to talk about here for a minute about Denver
and Colorado Springs.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
I got an update on that as well.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
This is one of those things that falls into the
category for me of something the federal government has absolutely
no legitimate authority to be involved in. There is no
constitutional authority for the federal government to be involved in
homelessness issues. It is a state and local issue should
be handled by state and locals, and let the state
and locals in each different place try whatever they're gonna try.
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Right Texas is gonna do it differently from Colorado, differently
from California, different from Illinois, and each state will see
what works best in the other states. That's why we
have a federalist system. There should not be any federal
involvement and there should not be any federal money for
any of this, but right now there is, and as
long as there is, the federal government is going to.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Say what they want done.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
So some of the things they want done enforcing prohibitions
on open use of illegal drugs, and forcing prohibitions on
what they call urban camping and loitering, and forcing prohibitions
on urban squatting. And there's a lot more from there.
So that's just a little bit of detail. Now, Denverwright
(41:44):
denveright dot com has a piece. Trump's sweeping order on
homelessness could have major impacts on Denver and I posted
this on the blog and I want you to just
kind of go read it for yourself because I'm not
going to spend a ton of time.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
On it right now.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
But it's unders there's a very complex issue, and I
do not claim to have the answers. There are people
out there who say that housing first is the right way.
There are other people who argue that housing first just
attracts people who want to get a free house on
somebody else's dime, a free apartment on somebody else's dime,
to just be homeless and then kind of go get
free rent.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
I'm not claiming to be an expert, but the key is,
and as Denver I puts it, if implemented the executive
order could trigger sweeping federal funding cuts to Denver's current
homelessness and public health strategies. This sort of budget fallout,
the city is already fighting in multiple lawsuits over other
executive orders. So I'm going to just kind of stay
(42:43):
on top.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Of the subject.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
I don't have a lot more to tell you right
now because we don't really know how it's going to
play out, but I wanted you to be aware of it.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
And then the other thing.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
That I wanted to mention, and again I'm not going
to add a lot but headline that just came out
in the past twenty four hours or so, and this
is Fox twenty one News in Colorado Springs. Number of
homeless people in Colorado Springs reaches all time high in
new report.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
A new report.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Actually it's the whole county, but Colorado Springs is the
biggest city in the county. A new report is showing
nearly six hundred more people experiencing homelessness in El Paso County.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
This year compared to last year.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Becky Trees of the Pike's Peak Continuum of Care said
this is likely due to both a real increase in
homelessness and a more comprehensive count. The latest point in
time report shows seventeen hundred and forty five people counted
as homeless. That was in January of this year, I guess,
and that top the previous record sent a year before
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by forty percent, huge numbers. Amy Cox of the Housing
and homeless the Housing and Homelessness officer for Colorado Springs, said,
we are not one solution away from ending homelessness. Homelessness
is complex and our response has to be multifaceted.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
That's probably right.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
So the question for today is how will the Trump
administration executive order change what that response will look like.
A listener asked if the count for the homeless people
in Colorado Springs includes people who are being put up
in hotels and stuff like that paid for by the government,
and I believe the answer is yes.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
I believe that if.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
You are in that kind of place, you count as homeless,
and if you are living on the street, you count
as homeless.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
And then within those reports they.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Will break it up between sheltered and unsheltered, but I
think they both count as homeless.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I mentioned this yesterday. I want to mention it real quick.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Next Saturday, August ninth, I'm going to be mceing a
wonderful event for the Warrior Bonfire Program. It's called Diamonds
and dog Tags and it's at this crazy cable land
mansion in Denver. That was Bill daniels mansion, fourteen thousand
square foot four bedroom house that almost nobody has lived
in since Bill Daniels donated to the city. Was his
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intent that maybe the mayor would live there, but no
mayor has. Anyway, it's a fun place for an event.
It's the eighth annual Diamonds and dog Tags charity event
and it's really wonderful. I'll be m seeing it and
I'd love to see you there. So you can go
to Warrior Bonfireprogram dot org Warrior Bonfireprogram dot org and
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you can find the event there twenty twenty five Diamonds
and dog Tags. Come join me. If you do come by,
please don't be shy, come say hi, and would love
to hang out a little bit.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Let's see.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
I want to do a moment here and I got
a couple things I want to say about Coach Prime.
So we actually Producer Dragon. I say we, but I
mean Producer Dragon did a very good job yesterday catching
the important part of the Coach Prime press conference where
he talked about how he had bladder cancer, he had
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surgery and all this. Dragon, did you hear the update today?
By the way, have you heard anything more?
Speaker 5 (46:07):
Nothing new?
Speaker 1 (46:07):
You've heard nothing new, So check this out.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yesterday Coach Prime made a comment in passing that Dragon
and I both noticed, and I think I said explicitly
on the air that sure sounds like Coach Prime and
Depends are going to do business together, like he would
go he would.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Go market for that, right.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
Yeah, it sounded like there was a deal in the
works already, And so there was.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
News this morning and I'll go to NBC Sports for this.
Dion Sanders and Depend have a new partnership. We called
it yesterday. Dragon, we called it yesterday. Hall of Famer
and Colorado coach Dion Sanders entered a new phase of
his public existence on Monday with the disclosure that he
has fought and beaten bladder cancer.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
The procedure has significantly.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Impacted his urinary function promise, prompting him to say during
the press conference, I.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Depend on Depend. Depend now depends on Dion two.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Via Brent Shroutenboer of USA today, Depend confirmed a partnership
with Sanders.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
DEPEND is proud to help millions of people live more
confidently every day with comfort and protection they can trust.
This includes Coach, the company said in his statement, Wearing
DEPEND isn't a sign of weakness, It's a badge of resilience.
It takes real courage to face health challenges head on.
We champion and celebrate Coach's strength to share his experience
with the world, which makes us proud to partner with
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and support him on this journey together.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
We know his voice will empower others to stand tall
and help break the stigma that can.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Come with wearing products like DEPEND, And then the reporter says,
yes it will. Dion's transparency contributes to society in three ways. One,
he urged people to get checked out for health problems.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
We talked about that yesterday too.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
He attacked the stigma associated with bladder control issues. Three,
he will inspire and motivate cancer patients to fight through
the worst the disease in tails. So yeah, actually a
little bit more here from NBC because I think this
is well written. After Colorado announced a press conference would
be happening on Monday, some speculated that dion would be
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stepping down.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
In reality, Dion.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Is stepping up, and he will help tens of thousands,
if not hundreds of thousands by doing so. Ultimately, his
health journey could become the most impactful and significant thing
he's ever done in a long and illustrious career.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Kudos to Coach Prime for.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Recognizing the opportunity this moment in his life presents and
for seizing it. And you know, Dragon and I were
I don't think we were joking about this. We were
remarking about this yesterday that Coach Prime has always been
a deal maker. The dude is not shy about, you know,
merch let's say and whatever. He might endorse and make
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a few bucks, and it's good for him and it's
good for them. And you know, Dragon and I were
saying this, this actually seems kind of likely, and here
it is, and you know what, it's good for all
of them. Prime is going to make a few bucks.
Speaker 5 (49:09):
Well. And the fact that he brought it up in
that press conference, yeah yeah, yeah, they're like smell something.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
I smell something, right, And so it's good for him,
it's good for the dependent company. I don't know if
they're owned by a bigger company. I have no idea
who owns them or whether they're a standalone And as
this writer for NBC says, it's good for people who
might be going through this to see something of a
role model who is not afraid to be public about it,
not afraid to talk about these challenges, and not going
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to let it.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
Take him out of what he wants to do in life.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Koa At Training Camp is powered by Chevron, committed to
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camp is producer A Rod, he of the exceedingly reflective sunglasses,
although it is overcast today so he might not be
wearing them, Hi.
Speaker 7 (50:00):
A Rod, Hi Ross, I am not currently wearing them.
As you mentioned, the overcast has been nice pretty much
all morning long, since I've been out at here since
six am. It is fantastic weather sunglasses. Less A Rod
is talking to you now, Okay, haven't gone full prime
and wearing them indoors? I have not, and I even
taken them off sometimes outdoors because like Ryan Edwards is
sitting right next to me, we apparently are getting flak
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for wearing them, in our social media videos because you
really bugs people.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
When you see the reflection of stuff in the sun
and sunglasses.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
So so let me let me make this about me
for a second, a Rod, because you know your name
is on the show. So I'm I'm negotiating my own
contract right now, and I am about to sign what
I think will be a four year, ninety two hundred
dollars contract.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
Very specific.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Yeah, a four year, ninety two hundred dollars contract. It's
a little.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Bit different from Courtland Sutton's new contract.
Speaker 7 (50:52):
Yes, it is very different for Courtland Sign's new contract.
But like Sutton, you're gonna have to find the radio
equivalent of having a thousand yards season. What would that
be in radio terminology? Do you just have to host
NonStop and no days off? You have to meet certain
benchmarks and certain ratings with our program director Dave Tepper.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
Eventually have to win a CBA.
Speaker 4 (51:12):
You eventually have to win Mandy.
Speaker 7 (51:15):
Yeah, a couple Mandy does hog the ball? Are you
considered our wide receiver one ross?
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Yeah? Well, I don't know. We got too We got
two good wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
I mean Mandy and I are the only two current events,
you know, current events Talkoss on KOA, So I think
we're pretty uh how many you've been on ko oh
oh less than Mandy. I've been on KOA four years now.
Mandy's been on KOA what eight or ten or something.
Speaker 7 (51:41):
Then Mandy might be more in the Sutton range because
now Courtland, having been here since twenty eighteen, Yeah, has
been nothing but productive. Obviously your teasing the fact that
Cortland Sun Now has agreed. Yesterday, by the way, just
an hour after Sean Payton said this literally in a
POS post trading camp press conference.
Speaker 8 (51:59):
I'm not going to speak ahead of it, but we're
you're real close on a contract, and you know, I
think our goal when he and I met George all
along was was you know this coming Monday. So I
think there'll be something fairly soonilar.
Speaker 7 (52:13):
Literally an hour after that, the extension was announced four years,
ninety two million. Like you mentioned, and Ross, I know
this is crazy. Courtland Sutton has a chance to be
the number five all time leading receiver in Denver Broncos history.
If he repeats what he did last year and has
a thousand yards, he would then pass ed McCaffrey, who
was sitting at sixty two hundred yards. Yeah, Cortland's at
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fifty three forty. He's already gonna pas Emanuel Sanders may
maybe like on the in the first game, twenty one
yards away from that, and if he has a thousand yards,
HEAs and he's he's gonna be in the Ring of
Fame potentially because he's gonna pass ed McCaffrey at the
five spot. But it's awesome to see this guy get
locked up. He's a fan favorite, he's a team favorite.
The locker room loves him, and you know who really
loves him, and honestly, probably was the exclamation point to
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get this contract done is his quarterback, Bo Nicks. He's
become a security blame it. They obviously have a really
good connection. He's got so many touchdowns and he is
like eighteen or something like that touchdowns in the last.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
Couple of seasons.
Speaker 7 (53:07):
So getting him locked up was a no brainer and
maybe the first to come in terms of contracts.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
So I did little math yesterday a rod and obviously
an NFL receiver does more than just catch passes.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
During a game, right, There's a lot to do.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
But I did the math and I figured out that
if he catches the same number of passes each year
for the next four years that he caught last year,
which was eighty six, including five in the playoffs. And
if he gets paid ninety two million dollars, then he
will have earned two hundred and sixty seven thousand dollars
per catch.
Speaker 7 (53:39):
Oh my goodness, that's that's pretty darn good.
Speaker 4 (53:44):
Yeah, that's pretty dark good.
Speaker 7 (53:45):
But he's been notorious for being darn good at catching
the ball, and I just mentioned security blanker for bone Niggs,
and every single one of those would be well earned,
especially if the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
Want to do what they want to do on offense
this year.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
Yeah, give me an update on Alex Singleton, who we
missed a lot last year and what's going on with him.
Speaker 7 (54:02):
So Alex Singleton yesterday, first of all, I noted in
a picture I put out, I mean all smiles, because
this guy's obviously coming off his torn acl and not
too long into practice. Yesterday it was reported that he
was walking off the field with his trainers and that
he was looking at his hand, and then we found
out later in the day that he did in fact
break his thumb, which is obviously not good for a
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linebacker who's trying to get his hands up in there,
but luckily with a broken thumb, they're gonna wrap that
thing up. And those clubs that you've seen defensive players have,
you know, it's not it's not impossible. We were talking
earlier in terms of like catching you know, maybe in
an interception. With that thing, it makes it more difficult.
But he's gonna be out probably about seven to eight days,
which for that inside linebacking corps, after already losing Drew Sanders,
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this is a light inside linebacking corps I personally thought
was one of the deepest we've seen in many years,
and now it's already down two guys. Drew Sander's gonna
bribe you out until the least the start of the season.
Alex Singleton now and now out for a week. So
it's gonna be a lot of Drake Greenlaw the free
agent signing, and going to be Justin Sternad who continues
to just have these opportunities with injury. Lavelle Bailey and
then undrafted Kareean Reid are going to get a lot
of opportunities as well.
Speaker 4 (55:07):
But Singleton should be back in a week. Ahead of
that first preseason I.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Got to say.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
And it might just be because he's one of the
few Broncos I've interviewed, But I'm a big Justin Sternad fan.
I like him, I love him as a player, and
I like interviewing him. He seems like a really decent
human and he actually, you know, a lot of times,
I don't do a lot of sports interviews, but I
watch a lot of sports interviews and a lot of
the players they just sort of are sounds like they're
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talking from talking points and you could almost write their
answer for them, right, And I don't get that from Sternad.
It sounds like he actually listens to the question and answers.
But you've probably talked to him way more than I have.
Speaker 7 (55:45):
I have. And then Brian Edwards you reference in the
interview did with him yesterday. Yeah, Justin Surnad' is probably
one of the better interviews that we have on this squad.
And he's a guy you want to continue having in
the locker room, both for how good he is as
an interview and also just how how his usefulness over
the last couple of years because he continues to come
back to the Denver Broncos because of these opportunities, And
I mean he said yesterday comes back because he wants
to play for Sean Payton, and he wants a chance
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to win a super Bowl, and these opportunities he keeps
having them because of these injuries at the position, and
now he's thrust into really being that that starter alongside
Drake Green live if Alex Zingleton misses any more time
than we expect, and then along with Drew Sanders too.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
So he's a fantastic interview.
Speaker 7 (56:22):
And I know, I remember that interview you referenced with
you and Mandy last year. You can find on our
social channels. It's still a good one, still stands pat
and it's still evergreen because you guys had so much
fun with him that I don't even know how much
football you talk. You don't need to with a guy
like that. He's a great, great guy.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
Yeah. I remember in that interview. It was during the summer.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Olympics and we were asking him what Olympic event he
would like to participate in. I don't remember what the
answer was, but it was a fun conversation. All right, Ay, Rod,
you want to drop anything else on us before you
get going and catch up on the rest of stuff
you need to do today.
Speaker 7 (56:52):
Well, I will say we're gonna be hopefully getting these live.
They are wearing pads again today, so hopefully some of
these more live periods are going to see once again.
And I really try. I'm an offense guy. I really
like to I keep my eyes on the offense. I
want to watch the invites inside linebacking corps. But as
I'm literally staring at him right now rise about to
talk about him, I can't keep my eyes off of RJ.
Speaker 4 (57:11):
Harvey.
Speaker 7 (57:11):
I really think that this guy is going to be special.
He's probably potentially gonna go down as one of the
steels in the draft.
Speaker 4 (57:17):
JK.
Speaker 7 (57:18):
Dobbins is obviously a veteran Champagn's noted that we have
the footage on tape.
Speaker 4 (57:22):
We know what Dobbits can do. I think he's going
to re really good in this offense too. The ross.
Speaker 7 (57:26):
I am stupid excited about the potential of r J.
Harvey in this offense and that crazy burst that speed
that he's got. He's built like a bowling ball, but
it's just so wicked fast. So I'm gonna be watching
a lot of him and hopefully hopefully his rise continues.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
One very quick follow up just on that, And I
realize there hasn't been a ton of chance to watch this,
But what are you seeing in terms of RJ. Harvey's
ability to catch the ball? If you've had a chance
to see any of that.
Speaker 4 (57:52):
Oh my goodness, well I have seen some of it.
Speaker 7 (57:54):
He's already caught quite a few out of the backfield
and made special with I think there was a play
if I remember correctly, I think yesterday he caught a
ball out of the backfield and gassed the heck out
of Dre Greenlaw, who who I've been referencing is the
new inside linebacker dation for the Broncos. This is a
guy that catches the ball and makes something with it.
I think his last his two seasons in college, the
guy averages over like ten yards to catch. So every
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time he catches this thing, he does something special with it.
He is he's wicked in space. And people have mentioned
I know the Broncos were really high on the fact
that they think that R. J.
Speaker 4 (58:25):
Harvey had also the best vision in this draft.
Speaker 7 (58:28):
So not only does he catch the ball, but he's
not afraid to go of the middle. But when he
has the ball, whether it's via the catch or via
in space running it. He knows what to do with it,
and there's no second guessing. He's not gonna get caught
up in the backfield. He's gonna either get downhill or
get to the outside via catch and do something special
with it. So there's gonna be a lot of first
downs courtesy of RJ. Harvey if they give him the opportunities.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
That's producer A Rod without his sunglasses reporting from training
camp for now.
Speaker 1 (58:53):
For now, Thanks so much, A Rod. That's great. We'll
talk with you in tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (58:57):
It sounds good.
Speaker 2 (58:57):
Thanks for Ross okay, and once again thanks to Chevron
for powering our koat training camp coverage, which I'm grateful
for that. There was a thing I wanted to mention earlier.
I was just going to stick with sports for a second.
A thing I wanted to mention earlier about CU but
not Coach Prime. I might have more on Coach Prime later,
But you know, there's been these lawsuits and these changes
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in NCAA rules following lawsuits in recent years about something
called nil. Nil means name, image and likeness, and what
it comes down to is that after a bunch of
lawsuits athletes. College athletes have won the right to be
able to be paid for sponsoring, endorsing, advertising for products,
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for using their name, image and likeness. Right in the past,
the colleges in the NCAA, the NCAA made all the money.
And then the concept I suppose was these are amateur athletes,
not professional athletes, and they don't get paid. But there
was just too much money involved and way too many
great college players and frankly, colleges. You think about the
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biggest sports colleges, the biggest football You think about the
number of people who show up at a game in
Alabama or Texas, where football is a religion, and there's.
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Just such an immense amount of money.
Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
You know, current and recently former players like, gosh, that's
just not fair. And they started, you know, filing these
lawsuits and winning and winning.
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
So nca change rules And.
Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Now the University of Colorado has launched a thing that
they call the arch and it is a program whereby
advertisers can choose one of two tiers based on how
much money you want to spend, and you can choose
one of two tiers and pay in, you know, into
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that system and be able to essentially have a college
athlete endorse your thing. The lower level is called the
MESA level, and that is a spending anywhere from twelve
thousand to just under twenty five thousand per year. And
then I'm not going to go through all the benefits
(01:01:08):
and stuff. And then there's another level that they call
the fourteen er level, and that would be spending between
twenty five thousand and forty thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
And when people join.
Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Those things, when businesses join those things, right, they'll get
to have like impressions on websites, social media posts, what else,
club benefits, free tickets, stuff like that. So anyway, and
the money will go towards paying us to paying student
athletes based on this change in rule and change in
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law that has happened in recent years.
Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
So I don't have a lot more to say about
that right now.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I just wanted to let you know, see you announced
this thing, so all right, let's move on. So we've
had on the show a couple of times. I think
folks who are very vocal in opposition to the building
of a new BUCkies down nearer the town of Palmer Lake,
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not actually in it, although later it would be in it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Because they would ax.
Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
They would annex the land which is over near eye
twenty five and create what they call a Flagpole annexation.
Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Right, So they'd annex this huge chunk.
Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Of land that is not contiguous with the town of
Palmer Lake. And then they would annex a skinny piece
of land that might even be as narrow as I
don't know, a street or something like that. I don't know,
just how narrow, but small, and then that would run
from the big piece where BUCkies would be, and connect
that as you go west from the highway to the
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town of Palmer Lake. So, in any case, I've had
some folks on the show who were in opposition. I
haven't been able to get a guest for the show
who was in favor. But that doesn't mean that there
aren't lots of people in favor. In fact, it wouldn't
surprise me if a majority of the town is in favor.
It's just that the opposition is very vocal. I don't
live there, I don't live near there, so I don't
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know is the opposition a majority. I suspect the opposition
is not a majority, but.
Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
But I do know they're fairly well organized, they're loud,
and there's some very smart people and some smart attorneys
in the opposition, so you know they've been fighting through
all this. But I'm not going to get into the
politics of that at the moment. What I wanted to
let you know is that the town of Palmer Lake
has now officially released the terms that they are proposing
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to BUCkies in order to get this thing done, and
putting aside the question of whether it should be done
or not, which is a question I'm just not going
to get into today, not least because I don't live
there and I don't have much of an opinion. So
putting aside the question of whether it should be done,
if it is going to be done, what should the
financial terms look like?
Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
And I have to say this looks pretty reasonable.
Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Again, I'm not trying to jump into the middle of
a debate within residents of Palmer Lake about whether you
should do.
Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
This or not, but let me just share a little
bit with you.
Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
This is from KKTV dot com Channel Channel eleven. Town
officials clarified terms like water needs, planned roadway improvements, and financials.
Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
They have said that BUCkies has agreed.
Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
To pay the cost to build two wells and a
water treatment plant. So I think the wells are around
four million dollars combined, and I think the water treatment
plant is around ten million dollars. So that stuff that
you might call water infrastructure will be about fourteen million
dollars of expense for BUCkies. Now, for those of you
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who know BUCkies, and I am far from an expert,
so I just kind of know what I'm reading here.
I've been to the BUCkies that's up north by Johnstown,
I think twice, and that's my only experience with BUCkies
in my whole life.
Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
It's it's quite a place, I have to say.
Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Anyway, a lot of BUCkies have car washes, and and
there's some legitimate concern down in that Palmer Lake area
about excess water use if they have a car wash,
and so that Buckies' location will not have a car wash,
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they still need to do wells and water treatment plant
for I guess, for example, their own restroom facilities and
for whatever their own drinking water will be. BUCkies is
also agreeing to pay for all the roadway improvements in
the area that the town will require, that c DOT
will require, and that could improve that could include improvements
to County Line Road, which is right where there where
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BUCkies will be Beacon Lightlite I'm not sure what that is,
and the I twenty five County Line Road interchange. Another
thing that's kind of interesting in this deal is that
the town will have an annual sales tax rate of
three percent, but for twenty years, one one percent of
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that will go back to BUCkies, and the town expects
during that twenty years I guess where they're effectively getting
two percent that the town expects to generate a million
dollars a year from sales tax revenue.
Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
What else.
Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Monument Fire District and Palmer Lake are both going to
They're going to share responsibility for fire department coverage.
Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Bucky's supposed to cover all.
Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Costs and expenses related to the annexation to the development
of the project. In short, basically, BUCkies is paying for everything.
They're They're expected to end up contributing about two hundred
thousand dollars a year to the local schools through their
property tax, and they're also, according to this document, going
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to make a one time contribution, which you might think
of as a bribe, to the community of three hundred
and fifty thousand dollars, and this could potentially come up
for a vote as soon as a month from yesterday,
all right, August August twenty eighth. In any case, again,
I don't have a strong opinion as to whether this
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thing should or shouldn't happen. I tend to try to
avoid strong opinions on things that don't directly affect me
unless I truly honestly have one. I'm not going to
make one up there. Again, the opposition is pretty well organized.
I will say my kid doesn't like it because my
kid says it's a beautiful area of grassland and hates
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turning it into you know what, they pave paradise and
turn it into a parking lot, right, And so that's
why my kid is against it. I don't know why
the people, but my kid doesn't live in Palmer Lake either.
So in any case, it does kind of seem like
it's going forward. Nothing's done until it's done, right. But
I will say Bucky's agreeing to all of this stuff
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where they are going to spend many millions to get
it done, and it appears that there will be zero
net out of pocket lost to the town of Palmer
Lake to get it done. Sure does make me feel
like this is on a path to get done. We
all remember what real quick? Well, yeah, what did you
put your trash out? No, I put your trash out.
Speaker 5 (01:08:12):
My trash doesn't move tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Put it out early just because I thought you'd forget
and I was nearby.
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I would like to respond to a listener who sent
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in a text that I don't entirely understand eat and
then the S word, which I can't say on the
air eat bleep because I used a keyword and you
can't get off AI.
Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
So I just texted back, why are you swearing at me?
Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
No, I used a C word for an S word,
and I can't tell you.
Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Without getting opted out.
Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
They texted back, Okay, So if you have a little
bit of logic in your head, you will understand now
that I read your text on the air twice that
when the text d system says you've been opted out,
it doesn't mean anything. I've explained this many times on
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the air.
Speaker 5 (01:09:58):
The only thing it means we don't see that text
you were opted out from because you used that key
word such as cancel or stop or don't those kind
of things.
Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
And I don't think I don't think this system filters
out swear words. I mean, I just got the S word,
and I think I've gotten the F word.
Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
And sometimes don't see emojis, so.
Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Yeah, we usually don't see emojis, and we never see pictures.
No pictures, no pictures it's it's just it's just text.
But anyway, look for for for you who is swearing
rather inappropriately, because I didn't do anything wrong and you
probably shouldn't be swearing at me. But just so everybody
understands putting aside this person who seems to have gotten
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up on the wrong side of the bed, and I'll
give him or heard of the benefit of the doubt
that maybe he's not a jackass the rest of the time.
Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
The idea is this, This is.
Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
A texty system that is used by lots of companies.
Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Everybody has a different number. We're five six six nine zero.
We share it actually with another one of our radio
stations here in the building.
Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
But when you text us, it's five six six nine zero.
Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Some other company, you know, maybe it's a retail company,
maybe it's a travel agency, maybe it's a hotel company.
Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
They have some other numbers that they would use for
texting purposes.
Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
And the thing is with some of those guys, you
can sign.
Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Up for marketing messages so that maybe they're going to
put on a sale of some kind and they will
proactively text you after you sign up, proactively text you
saying twenty percent off through Friday, and in that case,
in that case you can with these systems if you
send in a word like stop or cancel or halt.
Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
The system is looking.
Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
For that and it will opt you out, unsubscribe, you
opt you out.
Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Of future.
Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Unrequested marketing messages, unsolicited marketing messages that are proactively coming
to you from the other guy.
Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
But that's not how we work here.
Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
We are never proactively texting you with marketing stuff, so
you are not opted in to anything with us. So
when you get the message that says you were opted out,
it doesn't mean anything except that we did not get
that one text that you got that response to. But
(01:12:20):
it doesn't mean you can't text us again, and it
doesn't mean we can't text you. Do you want to
editthing else?
Speaker 5 (01:12:26):
Dragon, I would kind of dive deeper in a little
bit saying that, yes, we do not generally see that text,
but we can dive deeper into your number.
Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Yeah, and see we can go find it.
Speaker 5 (01:12:39):
We want to see that text that you said don't
or cancel or stop right, alter or anything, but that's
a bad use of my time, so I generally don't
do exactly. It takes you know, a three, four step
five step process for us to try and hunt that down,
and you know, sometimes and it's not worth it.
Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
A listener just sent through four different attempts to send
four different emojis, and I would like you to know
the very first one that you sent, which is sort
of the eyes closed with tears coming out because you're
laughing so hard, sideways slightly sideways head emoji, that came
through as an emoji, and the other three didn't.
Speaker 5 (01:13:15):
Just so just so you know, I think we get
the basic emojis, like, you know, the smiley face and
the winkie face. I don't think we're gonna get the
winkie pregnant man or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Uh all right, let me do a dumb story with you,
not that the last five minutes wasn't dumb. So this
falls into the category of kind of fun.
Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
What was it worth all those years in court?
Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
So some years ago, I think it was twenty seventeen, maybe, yeah,
twenty seventeen, all right, so we're talking about eight years ago.
There's a dude in Argentina who was standing in his
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backyard naked, but he has a fence, as you do.
Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Yeah, he's got a fence.
Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Up.
Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
He didn't think he's you know, visible to the world.
Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
He's got a fence up, maybe not a very high fence,
but kind of high. It's a six and a half foot.
Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Fence high enough.
Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
So the dude is in the buff in his backyard,
no problem. Right in a small town in Argentina eight
years ago.
Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
And you know how.
Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Google drives these cars by with the cameras on top
to do their Google street View things, so that then
when you go on Google Maps and you're looking at something,
you can click the layer, like one layer will show
you a satellite picture, but another layer will show you
the street view. So like you're going to someplace, you
can click on the street view and you'll get a
sense of what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
So when you get there, you can recognize street.
Speaker 5 (01:14:50):
Have you ever caught anybody you know? No, I caught
my grandfather really, he was checking the mail one day
and sure enough there he was.
Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Oh my god, but he wasn't naked, right, no, no, no, no, no,
fully closed. So the thing is, these street view cameras
are mounted on You wouldn't call it a tripod because
it's just a it's like a unit.
Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
It's a pedestal kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
That itself is on some kind of stand that itself
is on the top of a car. Right, So the
car is however tall it is, and then you've got
to stand, and then you got the pedestal, and.
Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Then you get the camera on top. So the camera,
I'm just.
Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Guessing is probably eight feet off the ground something like that.
And so what happened was the camera caught a picture
of this guy's bare ass over his fence, and it
ended up on Google street View. But what also ended
up on Google street View is the guy's house number
in the street name, the street sign, so everybody could
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tell who it was, where.
Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
It was, and like make fun of him and all that.
Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
And he said that he was exposed, Well he was exposed,
but he said he was exposed to ridicule at work
and among his neighbors.
Speaker 5 (01:15:57):
Yes, Dragon, not really. They blur people out. I mean,
maybe just his face and not the cheeks. Yeah, I
don't Maybe they just missed it. But here's what I
wanted to tell you. So the guy sued Google saying
that you know this, and and Google Google said, well,
his fence should have been higher, right. In any case,
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the guy won in court and I'm I'm.
Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
This is from Canadian news station Ctvnews.
Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Dot ca as the website.
Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Appeals judges concluded the man's dignity had been flagrantly violated
and awarded him an amount in Argentine peso's equivalent to
twelve dollars, and they wrote, this involves an image of
a person that was not captured in a public space,
but within the confines of their home, behind a fence
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taller than the average sized person. The invasion of privacy
is blatant, and they the judges further said, there's no
doubt that in this case there was an arbitrary intrusion
in to another's life. So in any case, Google is
going to have to pay him twelve and a half
thousand dollars. And let's see. The judges pointed to Google's
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policy of blurring the faces and license plates of people
and vehicles photographed for street view as evidence that it
was aware of a duty to avoid harm to third parties.
I wouldn't that be funny if they blurred his face
and not his butt.
Speaker 5 (01:17:24):
Not his cheeks. Thousand enough for you get your naked
butt on a on street view.
Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
I'd do it for free. People texting us emojis.
Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
I think they're trying to Some of them I think
passed through. Some may not have. It's hard to say.
Somebody texted in with a tongue out smiley face and
then a couple of question marks and then some eyeballs,
So I don't know if the question marks were supposed
to be emojis or not.
Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
I see you already.
Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Responded to the text just before that one.
Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
That one.
Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Yeah, we can't really say much about that on the air.
Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
We can only do two of those five six five words,
just testing, just testing. The other three.
Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Yeah, we're not need to do it. No, not going
to do it. Uh. One very quick thing on the
on the BUCkies thing.
Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
I kind of enjoyed this because I got I got
two texts about the potential BUCkies for Palmer Lake that
that kind of answered each other. And here, let me
just go find this real quick. So one one text
was why would BUCkies accept such a one sided deal?
And and what the listener means by that is when
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I when I shared how Bucky's going to be spending
many millions of dollars for building water infrastructure and covering
the cost of basically every improvement as well. Essentially, it
looks to me like palmer Lake isn't going to spend
anything and BUCkies is going to spend everything.
Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
And the listener again asks why.
Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Would BUCkies say yes to a seemingly one sided deal?
And then two textures later, literally thirty seconds later, a
different listener says, palmer Lake is absolutely broke, they need
to do this, and so that answers the question, right,
why would Bucky say yes to a seemingly one sided deal?
It's a one sided deal in the sense that the
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town of palmer Lake appears that they are not going
to spend any money on net for this project because
they don't have any money. But so if this is
gonna get done, then BUCkies has to spend all the money.
And it's not really that they're accepting a one sided deal,
it's that there is no other deal.
Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
That could be.
Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Done if the town of palmer Lake is as broke
as that listener says, So there you go. I just
thought that was interesting because it was sort of back
to back texts where one answered another, all right, what
else am I doing?
Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
What am I doing here?
Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Dragon?
Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Can you tell me what?
Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
Like?
Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Why am I even here.
Speaker 5 (01:19:51):
Am I gonna look at your show sheet when you
haven't yet today?
Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
I gonna help you out here flounder on your own.
Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Okay, So let me I've had this for a couple
of days and I just want to share it with you.
This comes from the tell Me Something I Don't Know files,
And this is a story that Axios put up about
a week ago entitled In this Axios Denver entitled hidden
and that's in quotes, hidden home ownership costs Coloraden's thousands.
(01:20:19):
And what's interesting about this piece is they're talking about
hidden expenses, So what does that mean? And I'm talking
about hitting expenses for home ownership, So that means how
much does it cost you to own.
Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Your home above and beyond your mortgage.
Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
So the way they're defining this, it includes property taxes, insurance, utilities,
internet and cable bills, and maintenance. And as I'm looking
at this now, Colorado does not do very well in
this list. The worst in the country is California, but Colorado,
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and then there are a few small Northeastern states that
have some big numbers in terms of in terms of
annual costs, but.
Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Colorado is really really high.
Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Even though all those other places have higher property taxes
than we do. We it looks like here, it looks
like we have much higher maintenance costs, which I guess
is not surprising because we live in a place that
has more hail, more snow than you know, Pencil or
New Jersey. Let's say, so, here's what this thing says.
(01:21:35):
Colorado homeowners spend an average of twenty five, seven hundred
and sixty six dollars per year on upkeep, another hidden expenses,
according to a study by bank Rates, and bank Rate
is a legit organization. So Colorado figures so again, I
just told you, it's just under twenty six thousand. The
average for the United States over all is twenty one
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thousan four hundred, and that itself is dragged up a
bit by Hawaii, which is thirty four and a half thousand,
because it's just so expensive to do everything there. So
states in the East Coast and West coast where home
values are high and property tax rates are high usually
see the highest hidden ownership costs. Sneaky expenses are generally
(01:22:18):
lower in southern and midwestern states.
Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
But the bottom line is Colorado is.
Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
One of the worst in the country when it comes
to the cost of home.
Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Ownership beyond your mortgage payment.
Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
And Colorado is the worst in the country of any
state that is not on a coast. And yet the
way I started this is to say, this comes from
the tell me something I don't know files. We have
all been living this, especially since COVID. We've been living
this for a long time now. Actually this goes well
before COVID. Part of the big problem we have here
(01:22:56):
is we had a couple of big hailstorms, remember that
you jailstorm like damaged Colorado mills, mall and all this stuff,
and property insurance rates went up a lot then, And then.
Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Property insurance rates have gone up a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
More because of fires like the Marshall fire up by Boulder.
Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Because what that.
Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Taught the insurance companies and homeowners alike is that you
can have big fires in places where you never thought
a big fire was possible.
Speaker 6 (01:23:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
You can imagine a big fire in the foothills, a
big fire by Evergreen or something where you're surrounded by forrest.
But who would have thought of a big fire near
flat Irons Mall in in Superior, Colorado?
Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
You just don't think of it.
Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
But now we've got that, and then of course the
maintenance costs from the snow and the hailing, on and
on and on. So anyway, it's not like I have
a solution. I just wanted to share the story with you.
We'll be right back. We're getting a lot more actual
emojis showing up in the screen than I expected.
Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
I know.
Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
That's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
I can't I don't know what they are, Like that
one where a person said ross and dragon.
Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Can you see these?
Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
That first one is at a beause it looks like
a monkey, a clown, yeh, clowns okay.
Speaker 5 (01:24:02):
The poop emoji a real to reel film camera.
Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
Oh is that what that is? Yeah? Or projector projector
project okay yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:24:09):
And then I'm buck popcorn.
Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Those all came through, and then another listener says, how
about the middle finger? And there is an emoji of
a bit of a middle finger flipping us off.
Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Well, I was flipping dragon off, not me, just based
on the dirt.
Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
Well, I'm the one that one of the emojis.
Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
So, yeah, why can't we send photos? Well technology, Yeah,
and because we're afraid of what you would what you
would send.
Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
So a listener.
Speaker 5 (01:24:34):
Actually asked an interesting question about you always email photos
if you're If no, please do Ross at iHeartMedia dot com.
I don't know how he was able to just get
Ross at iHeartMedia dot com. But there is also I'll
throw me under the bus as well. There buddy Dragon
at iHeartMedia dot com.
Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Dragon only send tasteful photos, travel photos, interesting food photos,
funny dog photos. Both of us love fo with any
number of moths in the photo.
Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
We both love those ucchiese Bell peppers, any of those things.
Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
A moth landing on a bell pepper would be excellent
if you really hate us both. So there's that. So
a quick thing on this the BUCkies. So we've been
talking a bit about BUCkies and how many millions they
are going to.
Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Spend if this deal happens.
Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
It sounds like they're going to probably have to spend
twenty five million.
Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
I'm just throwing out a number.
Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
I'm guessing they'll have to spend something in the area
of twenty plus million, separate from the cost of the building,
which is a lot, right, but just for infrastructure and
roads and things like that. And the listeners sent a
text where did that go? Where did that go? Hold on,
let me find it?
Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
How many years will.
Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
How many years will it take for BUCkies to start
making a profit? And so I actually think this is
an interesting question.
Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
And it depends what you mean.
Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Right, So if you if the question is how many
years will it take for BUCkies to run an operating
profit in that given year, well, obviously they'll probably do
that in the in the first year. But if the
question is, how many years will it take BUCkies to
make enough profit to over to pay all of their
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upfront expenses?
Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
How how long will it? I'm not wording this very well.
It's not like I talk for a living. How many
years of profit?
Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
Had?
Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Words are hard? How many years of profit will it
take BUCkies to offset all of the sunk costs for
infrastructure improvements.
Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
And building the building itself.
Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Now, let's just work together on this and come up
with some guesses. We know they're going to spend if
the deal happens the way it's been proposed. We know
they're going to spend fourteen million dollars on water infrastructure improvement.
We know that, and we don't know an amount on
this next thing, but we know they're gonna have to
spend a bunch of money improving roads, including a highway
interchange there at County Line Road. So what do you
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think that is improving those roads? Improving County Line where
that could be ten million? Right? I was this Probably
I'm going to guess between five and ten. But this
is all just pulling numbers out of my you know what,
I really don't know. But let's call it. Let's take
something in the middle. Let's call it seven million. So
let's say they're at twenty one million with the water
and the roads, and then they're gonna have to make
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that small bribe to the community and some that's small though,
it's a few hundred thousand. And then they're gonna have
to build a building. Now I don't know how much
that's gonna cost, But what do you think five million? No,
probably more, It's probably more to build something that big,
But let's call it. Let's call it another seven million.
I have no idea it could be seventeen million. Let's
(01:27:54):
call it seven million. So where are we so far?
Fourteen seven and seven, twenty eight million, and then let's
throw a couple more million on just for fun. So
let's say they're thirty million to build the place, and
again it could be much higher. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
I doubt it's much lower.
Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
So I asked chat GPT, what's the average annual profit
of a location of BUCkies? And this is actually quite interesting.
So dragon take a guess. And I don't think this
information is public, but I think people of the educated
people are looking at things and taking their best guess.
What is the average annual revenue per Bucky's store?
Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
And revenue does not mean profit.
Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Revenue just means how much money did they take in
from all their customers. You don't subtract what they paid
for the stuff that they sold or anything like that.
Just what are they taking at the cash register? What
are they taking at the gas pump? What do you
think their annual revenue is for an average BUCkies?
Speaker 5 (01:28:54):
It's probably close to that. I would think maybe ten
to fifteen email.
Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
So this is for the or the whole year.
Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Now, well, if you said ten million, you'd be pretty
close if you were talking about their monthly revenue, not
their annual revenue.
Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Good gravy, so one hundred and twenty million.
Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
With flagship locations possibly topping two hundred million. Now, the
average convenience store profit margin after everything a net profit
after cost of good sold and salaries and rent and
taxes is a little under two percent. Now, it is
commonly believed, and I believe that BUCkies operates at a
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higher margin than that. Right, They first of all, they
have a very huge space, so they get some economy.
Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Of scale there.
Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
They have somewhat high prices, and even on things that
they make themselves. Right, you buy a little bag of
those fabulous kind of roasted pecans or whatever they are,
and it's like seven or eight bucks, and it's probably
probably cost them eighty cents right to make this thing.
And so they've got some really good profit margins and
some stuff. So again according to the chat GPT, there's
(01:30:05):
some estimates that Bucky's margins might be double or even
more than double of that one point eight percent average
for convenience stores. So if you look at three percent
to five percent profit per year, and then if you
assume it's going to be an average location at one
hundred and twenty million in revenue, and if we're assuming
that number is right, but we'll just go with it,
(01:30:27):
then at a three percent profit margin, they would have
a profit of three point seventy five million dollars per
year I'm guessing that's a little low. At a five
percent profit margin, they would have a profit of six
and a quarter.
Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
Million dollars a year. So if we go in the middle.
Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
Of that and or you know, just yeah, actually right
in the middle and call it five million dollars of
profit a year. If we say that it took them
thirty million dollars to build it, then it would take
six years of profit. And you know, six year payback
is decent. It's nothing, it's decent. And their profit might
(01:31:09):
be higher, the profit margin might be high. I I
don't know, but anyway, I just thought that was a
very interesting question that from the listener that got me
to ask chet GPT what I thought was an interesting thing.
You looked like you were going to say something else, dragging.
Speaker 5 (01:31:21):
I was just reading a couple of other things. So
we may need to adjust those numbers from some text.
You're five million to build a nine thousand square foot homes,
so you made to adjust that number. Also, Air said
it cost fifty million to build BUCkies. So wow, yeah,
Air said, okay, so you know six to ten years, right, Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
That person that said the person that said it costs
fit oh, that's true because there's.
Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
A big gas station there. It's not just a building.
There's also a gas station that costs money. Ross BUCkies
paid forty million to open their Texas location in twenty
twenty four. Andy said that. A couple other people said that.
So here's my question for those who have the data
about BUCkies. When you're telling me these numbers forty million,
thirty eight million like that, do those numbers include the
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infrastructure and whatever else they had to spend around it?
Or is that just for the facility, for the building
and the gas pumps and all right? Because if it's just,
if it's forty million for the building and the gas pumps.
Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
And then another twenty million.
Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
For all the other infrastructure, then you're at sixty million,
then you might be at ten to twelve years of
profit to cover all that, And to me, ten to
twelve years of profit to cover the upfront costs a
marginal proposition. You know, I think six years is great, right.
I think most businesses would do something with a six years,
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six year.
Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
Payback, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
The other way I don't know, But there's also probably
we're gonna getting way in the weeds here, but there's
probably a ton of other like tax Considered and stuff
like that. So anyway, that's probably all I got for it,
because I'm just making stuff up, not making it up.
I'm guessing. I'm guessing, and it's fun to guess. But
(01:33:11):
I don't really have more information for you.
Speaker 5 (01:33:13):
There.
Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Oh, let me do this thing.
Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
This is a story.
Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
I wanted to talk about for a couple of days.
And this is sort of a I guess you'd call
it a national story. But from the Wall Street Journal,
the headline is CEOs are shrinking their workforces and they
couldn't be prouder. And the subhead is bosses aren't just
unapologetic about staff cuts. Many are touting shrinking head counts
(01:33:38):
as accomplishments in the AI era. And that last bit
in the AI era is very important, very interesting. Oh.
The New York Times is a reporting that Harvard might
settle with the federal government for five hundred million dollars
to get the Trump administration off their backs about all
the DEI stuff and not protecting Jewish students and so on.
Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Wow, that would be a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
But that's probably like one year or less of federal
front of Federal research grants at Harvard anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
Okay, so back to this thing. I remember.
Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
When companies, especially larger companies, public companies, where the CEOs
would have to do press conferences or go on earnings calls,
and what they still do now, where they would be
pretty shy, pretty reticent to talk about firing people, even
through attrition. Attrition meaning somebody retires or quits and you
(01:34:40):
don't hire someone to fill the spot, but you didn't
fire them. The job gets emptied voluntarily and then you
don't refill it.
Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
That's attrition.
Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
But in any case, it used to be that CEOs
would always want to talk about hiring people, growing the
number of people, and never want to talk about out
firing people. And you might think, for a second, well,
of course you sound like a bad guy when you're
firing people. But I don't think that's the concern. I
(01:35:08):
think the concern is a straightforward economic proposition that goes
like this back then and then is not very long ago, Okay,
ten years ago or.
Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
Five years ago.
Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
Back then, the concept was anytime you were hiring an employee,
you at least thought that you were hiring somebody who
would generate revenue or profit in excess of what it
(01:35:41):
cost you to hire them.
Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
Right, I'll give you. I'll give you a very basic example.
Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
You you're going to hire somebody to flip burgers at
McDonald's for twelve dollars an hour, which you can't do
anymore because the minion wage is much higher than that.
Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
But I'm talking about some years ago, you'd.
Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
Hire somebody to flip burgers for twelve dollars an hour
because you thought that their effective productivity, their gain to
your business was in excess of twelve dollars an hour.
And therefore, with every person you hire, assuming you're only
hiring people based on that hurdle, with every person you hire,
(01:36:20):
you would be increasing your company's profit. Otherwise you wouldn't
hire them.
Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
So that's the concept, and that's why they didn't want
to talk about firing people because if you're firing people,
it sounds like you are in a bad spot, because
theoretically you have people because they generate some profit, and
if you're firing people, it sounds like either your management
is bad, so you've got people who aren't generating profit
(01:36:46):
and you overhire to begin with, or or even if
they are generating some profit, your current expenses are so
high that you have to cut costs, even if it
means you're cutting a little bit of profit. That kind
of thing firing people had a bad implication, and CEOs
did not like to talk about it. And now and
(01:37:08):
this stands to reason as you think about it. And
I'm going to share a little bit with you from
this Wall Street Journal piece. And now it's changed because
of AI. This only happened a little little little bit
because of the Internet before AI, right, and computer programs
and things like that. And I'll give you an example,
and this is going back to the early days of
(01:37:29):
personal computers, the early days of reasonably affordable, easily available
computers for individuals and businesses. And that is think about
the rise of Microsoft Office of Excel. It wasn't called
office then, but of Excel, and before that, of similar
kinds of spreadsheets like lotus one, two, three D. You
remember that name.
Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
In any case, think what it meant when you might have.
Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Five bookkeepers at some company. You've got a fairly big company,
You're doing a lot of stuff. You've got five different bookkeepers,
each keeping their own spreadsheets on paper. And now suddenly
you've got this program. And now one or maybe two,
but definitely not more than two people would be necessary
(01:38:19):
to do what five people used to do, because and
this is not sarcasm, now, there's hardly ever been a
more unbelievably production productivity increasing piece of software than spreadsheets,
at least in certain part of business. It is just
(01:38:39):
incredible what you can do on spreadsheets and how many
fewer people you need. Right, So, some people lost jobs,
and other people didn't go into jobs that they might
have otherwise gone into that they were replaced by a spreadsheet. Right.
Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
So there was.
Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Bits of stuff like that throughout.
Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
The early part of the Internet era, and you hat
a little more here and a little more there. But
AI is different, and I actually think AI is going
to be more transformative of business even than the Internet was.
And that's hard to imagine, or at least equally transformative
of business as the Internet was. And like I said,
it's very hard to imagine that. But AI is going
(01:39:16):
to change so much. And the way you need to
think about it is that these folks are driven by profit. Right,
the CEOs, especially of public companies, all they care about
is a share price. They do not care about how
many people work for them. They don't, They just I
don't mean they're cruel. I mean they're focused on a
particular thing. Their goal is to get the share price up,
(01:39:40):
and so if they have a way to increase their profits,
they're going to do it.
Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
And this is what AI is doing.
Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
AI is going to absolutely decimate the ranks of relatively
low skill, white color workers r every and in almost
every industry. You can think of, even one day radio
host sole although I think that's probably relatively resilient for
a variety of reasons. And I'm not being sarcastic or
(01:40:11):
self promotional here, but think about a mediocre computer programmer,
Think about a mediocre a mid level manager who has
to make this or that decision based on some piece
of data. All of these people and infinitely more can
and will be replaced by AI. Let me just finish
this one thing, Mandy, and then you can jump in.
So from the Wall Street Journal, big companies are getting smaller,
(01:40:34):
and their CEOs want everyone to know it.
Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
The careful coded corporate language.
Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
Executives once used in describing staff cuts is giving way
to blunt boasts about ever shrinking workforces. Gone are the
days when trimming headcount signaled retrenchment or trouble bosses are
showing off to Wall Street that they are embracing AI
and serious about becoming lean.
Speaker 1 (01:40:58):
Hi, Mandy, you know what's start with.
Speaker 9 (01:41:03):
You know what I always think is super interesting is that,
you know, Henry Ford really is kind of the modern
father of industrialization, right. He took an industrial process that
took a lot of people, and then he streamlined it
so it would be way more efficient. But even Henry
Ford recognized that in order to have a customer base,
he needed to have employees. And the way he treated
(01:41:24):
his employees was exponentially better than the next guy because
his attitude was I'm going to pay my employees enough
so they can use my product. Now, at some point,
if we have enough corporations, and you're absolutely right, by
the way, I'm not arguing the point you just made,
but at some point you run out of customers when
everyone is unemployed. But to your point, like first to
(01:41:45):
third year associates in a law firm, they're all going.
Speaker 10 (01:41:49):
To be replaced by AI.
Speaker 9 (01:41:51):
I think the legal industry is going to be decimated
by AI.
Speaker 10 (01:41:56):
I really believe that.
Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
A couple of years ago, when the you know, it's
weird because this environment where it is evolving so quickly AI.
It's hard to describe how fast it's moving. But it
was already a couple of years ago. I had a
guy on the show who's creating an app that will
in states that allow it be your lawyer for smaller cases.
Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
Right, it's like for traffic cases and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
You know.
Speaker 10 (01:42:20):
But hey, I'm on the air with Ross right now.
Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
Is that Chuck?
Speaker 9 (01:42:23):
Yes, chock, Hi, chock, Okay, I'll call you back, all right, bye, chock.
Speaker 10 (01:42:28):
Yeah, he said by something, all right, yeah, yeah, anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
Yeah, I mean so I agree with you.
Speaker 9 (01:42:33):
It's it's the economy in the very near term is
going to be defined by people who know how to
use AI and people who don't. Right, And the people
who don't you better have a trade because they're not
going to replace a plumber anytime soon.
Speaker 10 (01:42:46):
With AI. I'm telling you, the trades are going to search.
Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
And the other thing that's much harder to predict is
that AI will also allow the creation of all kinds
of new businesses, new jobs that we never thought of before.
Speaker 1 (01:43:03):
And it's easy to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
AI is going to replace that lawyer and that computer
programmer and that mid manager and it's all true. It's
harder to imagine, but I promise you smarter people than I,
and maybe even smarter than Mandy, are out there thinking
about how they can use AI to do something new.
Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
What do you have coming up?
Speaker 9 (01:43:21):
I got this clown right at the beginning of the show.
I think people that you know this guy is coming
on to talk about healthcare spending.
Speaker 10 (01:43:29):
I'll try and perk him up.
Speaker 9 (01:43:30):
He's just a real drag on the radio, and we'll see.
And then a little bit later, I'm talking to my
friend David Strawm at hot air dot com. A couple
of stories he's got, you know, I'd love to get
into it a little bit when we have more time.
Ross about is your viewpoint on the way Trump is
using tariffs? Has it shifted at all from the actual
endgame being the tariffs to the end game being let
me use this to force people to do what I
(01:43:52):
want to do.
Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (01:43:53):
Evin and I are going to talk about that.
Speaker 4 (01:43:54):
Yeah, that'll be great.
Speaker 9 (01:43:55):
Kessler leaving the Washington do you have the pinocchios to
kick around anymore?
Speaker 10 (01:44:00):
He took the buy out. No one's going to miss him.
Speaker 1 (01:44:03):
No spoiler alert, not at all.
Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Everybody stick around for Mandy's shenanigans, and whoever her first
boring guest is going to be
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