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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I often get books to read a little before they
come out to the public so that I have the
opportunity to have read it when I talk with the
author on or around publication day. And such is the
case with the book I'm holding in my hand right now.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's called Blood and Treasure.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
It's a new thriller by first time thriller author Ryan
Pote and it is a really fun read that I
describe as something like a mix between a paramilitary special
ops thriller and Raiders of the Lost Arc. And it's
it's really a lot of fun and it's it's quite
(00:37):
different from you know, I read a lot of thrillers,
and I have a lot of thriller authors.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's a really.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Different kind of book and it's really really fun. And
Ryan Poe joins us to talk about it right now.
Welcome Ryan, good to talk to you for the first time.
And and and thank you for entertaining me.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
But really good to have you here.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Oh Ross, it's great to be here. I'm super I
love talking about this book, so.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I bet you do. I bet you so.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Before we get into the book, I read a little
about you and you got a very very fascinating background
which probably leads to your being able to write a.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Book that's got so many different aspects to it.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
But I mean, tell us a little about your background.
I mean, just for example, on the wall behind you,
I see a pistol, and I also see a knife
that looks like it's from the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So, you know, tell us a little about you.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Sure you know. I never wanted to be a writer.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I wasn't one of those people who grew up, you know,
thinking this was going to be in my path. I
never wrote creative fiction. I was I was doing what
I wanted to do. Like I'd never been out of
New England. When I graduated high school, I had this
deep seated desire to go do something exciting. I packed
my bags and moved to Hawaii. Became a scooper instructor
out there, and I was just trying to I was
(01:56):
just always looking for the next adventure. I joined the Navy,
became a helicopter pilot. I did count a narcotics mission
with a joint Interagency Task Force for about twelve years.
Search and rescue pilot in there as well, and I
had a lot of jobs in between those two stories.
Men did a lot of different things. But I was always,
you know, just doing what I was doing. And then
(02:18):
when I got injured and flying was taken away from me,
I couldn't fly anymore at all. That was my career,
That's what I poured my life into. I kind of
was lost and I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
What to do.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I was dealing with PTSD, and I started. I started
writing as a as a therapy exercise, and that turned
into discovering that I had a knack for and a
passion for writing fiction. And that just started this journey
of writing five books before I got published. And and yeah,
now now we all get to read Blood and Treasure.
(02:49):
I absolutely loved writing this book. I loved the character.
I love the series. It's it's so it. I love
what you said that it's different, that it's unique, because
that's what I's what I was going for. And you know,
this book was rejected over four hundred times before you know,
it's it's it's they don't really know still where to
place it on the shelves. And I kind of like that.
(03:11):
You know, it's not good for sales, I think, but
I like that it's, uh, it's got its own little
niche carved out.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
So I like it too, And I, you know, I
was looking at some of the blurbs and the press materials,
and you've got you've got Brad Taylor, and you've got
Taylor Moore, and you've got Andrews and Wilson, and you've
got others too. But those are just ones who have
been on my show, who have been you know, who
are you got? You got some really big names there.
And I guess it was a little bit incorrect when
(03:36):
I called you a first time author. It's a first
time published author. It's not your not your first book.
But just again, one more, just two, two more things.
You did some science y kind of stuff in addition
to the military stuff, and I'm a science nerd, so
tell me a little about that.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Sure. So I got injured scuba diving.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Actually I you know, not to like say grand eyes whatever,
but it was, uh, I had to rescue one of
my clients at at one hundred feet and I ended
up getting a mediastylemphysema and some bear traumas in my
ear and you know, uh, you know, decompression chamber and
all that stuff, and so I couldn't dive for like
you can't dive after you decompression for like six months.
(04:19):
So I had to do something else and that was
like my that was my full time job at the time,
so I was you know, I was bartending as well,
but I needed something else, so I, uh, I found
this lab on base. I had taken a couple of
micro bioclasses and had the skills to do it, and
they were looking for another tech and so I came
(04:41):
on board as a full time employee for them. And
it turns out it was it was a lab run
by Shell Oil. It was a company called Salana, and
they were in the early stages of researching algal biofuels,
so basically taking the oil from algae. Uh and you know,
refining that process to able to make it a viable
(05:02):
business option to get you know, the equivalent of ethanol
out of or diesel fuel out of algae.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
And they weren't the only company. They weren't the only
couple company doing Chevron was doing it all. Everyone Everyone's
actually working on those and that was gosh, that was
at this It was well over fifteen years ago, but
so it's probably way more advanced now. But I did
that for about a year and a half every day
and I.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Learned a lot. It was super super cool to be
a part of that job.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I have to just tell you, I have to tell
you one maybe the dumbest thing I've ever done, but
you'll appreciate it. So Ball got those Solomon Islands scuba
diving with with two women who are both master divers.
And you are probably aware, as a guy who's done
a lot of scuba, how good women are with air
(05:56):
when they're diving compared to us. Right, So, anyway, we
went down trying to remember the exact number. I took
a picture of my dive computer. It was something just
over two hundred feet. And we took out our knives
and started banging on our tanks behind us with our knives,
and we got these two like our eleven or twelve
(06:17):
foot hammerhead sharks that came to check us out a
little over two hundred feet with no special equipment, no nothing.
We couldn't stay there for very long. Of course, we
had to come up very slowly. But yeah, I thought
you'd appreciate that story.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, we've all done dumb dive things.
You want, you want a dumb dive story of mine? Yeah, yeah,
give me one okay. So we used to take our
boats out to this wreck called the Sea Tiger, which
is in one hundred and twenty feet of water off
the coast of the Wahoo, And you know, we dove
that wreck so many times, gone in and out and
through it, and we used to just you know, we
were young, dumb kids, and we would get we would
(06:58):
be out, you know, partying all night. So we'd show
up in the morning, like, you know, kind of under
the weather. So we'd breathe some medical oxygen first to
kind of get ourselves going, and then we would take
our gear, our dive gear, and we'd weigh it down
and just turn it on and toss it over and
just let it sink to one hundred and twenty feet
and then we would just grab the rope to tie
(07:18):
the boat off, and a heavy lead weight belt, our
and our mask and we would just jump off and
and just sink down to one hundred twenty feet, tie
the boat up, and then you got to make it
to your gear. Basically, it was we used to call
it supermanning to the bottom, but man, it was stupid.
In retrospect, it was dumb, but while we were doing it,
it was a heck a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
That is.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
That's even dumber than mine. That is a fabulous story.
All right, we're talking with Ryan Pote. That's Pote, by
the way, about his new novel, Blood and Treasure.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So let's get to the novel. Now. It's kind of interesting, you.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Know, we're talking about we're talking about scuba. But right
at the beginning first parts of your book, you got
people deep or sort of deep, not that deep underwater, and.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
You got people a mile up in space. Right, you
had everything, you got everything.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Going here, and it starts off with some action in
the in the space station International Space Station. I'm gonna
be a little careful not to not to spoil stuff,
but give us an overview of the plot. And I
like to ask authors to do it so I don't
say something you don't want me to say.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Oh no, that's okay.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, this one's tough to do that with, you know,
because I and I made it that way.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
But yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
So you you start right off in the prologue, you
are the reader is attached to a character in NASA
Johnson Space Center Mission Control. They you are right in
the middle of a problem that nobody understands and neither
the use. You're figuring it out along with them, and
they've lost all connection to the station. They've lost control
of the station. They don't have audio video. They're trying
to restore that video feed. When when you start the book,
(08:54):
they get glimpses of that video feed that cuts back
in just in just in time for them to see
one astrona on board, motioned as a hottie, and she
has killed everybody on board, and then she blows up
the station. They lose connection, and that's pretty much where
they're at with it. Then we're cut and nobody understands why.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
And then we're.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Cut to the coast of Mozambique, where you're introduced to
the protagonist, Ethan Kane, and he's he's been on when
you when you join him, he's been on the hunt
for some kind of relic that he's been paid to
recover and from from the ocean, and but you're at
the tail end of it with him, so you don't go.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
He's pretty much already found it.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
And as he's as he's hauling this thing out of
the water, there are some bad people who are after him,
and something fin the sky, a fiery mass almost takes
out their boats and crashed into the ocean and it sinks,
and when he goes to investigate, it's the Soyu space
capsule from the International Space Station. It's filling with water
and inside there's a loan astronaut and she's trapped and
(09:55):
he has to save her before she drowns.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
And you as the reader, know that.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
That astronaut is the woman from the prologue who killed
everybody in the space station, but he doesn't know who that.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
He doesn't know who that is.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
And and then it turns out the people that are
after him for what he's recovering are also after her,
and so it begins this interconnected web to figure out
how the events in the space station are connected to
this relic he's pulled out of the ocean and who
is this astronaut from space?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
And that's that kicks off the adventure that spans part
of the globe.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It really is a remarkable story.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Like I said, I described it earlier as a something
between a paramilitary kind of thriller and and Raiders of
the Lost Dark. And there are aspects of this that
are distinctly I don't know if you'd call them spiritual
religious something and is that is that a reflection of
(10:50):
you or is that just a is that just a
plot device or what is that?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Well, you know, it's funny, it's kind of bol like
I actually had my own kind of spiritual journey and
to faith through writing this book.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Actually ironically, because that's.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Actually a theme in the book because when I was writing.
So you'll learn within the first five chapters of the book,
so I'm not going to spoil this, that he's searching
for the Arc of the Covenant and you know, fans
of like Raiders of the Lost.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Arc and something like that.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
You know, I found a story that really resonated with
with doing an Arc of the Covenant story, and I
knew it was going to be full of all these
tropes from the past, and you know, there's so many copycats,
and I really didn't want that. I wanted to create
something that was unique and fresh and different. So I
thought of different ways that I could do that to
break away from you know, the old and do something new.
(11:43):
And one way that I devised to do that was
to imbue the novel with the essence, the words, the flavor,
the history, the feeling of the Old Testament, where the
Arc of the Covenant is from. And if I could
do that, I wouldn't have to bore you with all
of its history the feeling of it. It would just
be in the very words you were reading. And in
(12:04):
doing that it kind of brought it. It made it
feel fresh while I was writing it, and it just
kind of brought the whole vibe to life of.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
This this arc of the Covenant, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Chase and and so I intentionally did that and leaned
into it and and just kind of wove it more into.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
The fabric of the story.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
So, yeah, it's got lots of deep themes that cover that.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, I will say, folks, again, like I read a
lot of thrillers, and there it's been a while since
I've read one that has so many threads interweaving in
such interesting ways with you know, the arc of the Covenant,
the the murderous female astronaut in the space station, other
(12:46):
stuff that I'm not going to tell you about because
you have.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
To just go read the book.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I'll ask you one more question about a little phrase
that comes up repeatedly throughout the book, Memento.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Maury. Tell us a little about Memento Maury.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Sure, it's it's a Latin phrase. It means remember that
we must die. It's kind of, you know, going back
to the old stoics. You know, a lot of people
read Marcusralias meditations things like that.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
People were very people back then.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
We were very focused on the the brief myst that
is life and that the you know, the true way
to to find happiness in life is to just move
on from the past, look forward and know that you're
not going to be bringing a U haul with you
into the next life, and that all your regrets and
(13:33):
things they are lessons of the past and you can
only go forward and in bringing your regrets for it.
You know, there's a there's a whole lot, uh that's
packaged into to what momento Morey became in the in
the ancient kind of mottos. I wove it into the
story because I thought that I was dealing with a
(13:53):
lot of regret in the story, and having characters deal
with regret and regret in different way is almost every
character has a little relationship dynamic that deals with regret
in their own way, and I think a lot of
people reading it might kind of attach to a different
characters dynamic because of their own circumstances, and I just
(14:17):
made I made it kind of a motto throughout to
kind of have a motto for.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
The series, if you will, and also for the character.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I thought, if it Ethan Kaine's whole story and kind
of his arc, and I like to do.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
What I was trying to do with this book.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Was set a trajectory for the series because it is
a series and there's more books to come in this one,
and I wanted to kind of set a trajectory for
fans to kind of know if you read it and
you like it, you can kind of parse out and
figure out where this is going, where the character's going,
and the kind of flavor that you're going to get
from these books.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Ryan Poach's first published novel out now called Blood and Treasure.
It is really a lot of fun and you will
want to read the rest of the series.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I know I already want to read the rest of
the series, and I.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Think my listeners know I'm I'm very picky when it
comes to thrillers because there's there are a lot of
thriller writers out there, and not all of them are
a good use of my time or yours. This book
sure is Blood and Treasure. It is so much fun.
Congratulations on persevering through you know, a few books not
getting published and then working so hard to get this
one published.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
It definitely deserved to be published, and I wish.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
You lots of success and we'll talk with you for
the next book and maybe even get you out for
an event at some point.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Absolutely, and thank you for saying all that about the book.
Truly like to be cliche one hundred percent. I poured
a lot of my own blood and treasure into the book.
So to hear people you know, really resonating with it
means the world to me.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
So thanks you for having me on. I'm glad to
come back anytime.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Glad to do it, Ryan, and thank you for your
service to our country.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Thank you Ross.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
All right, all right, so yeah, everybody go read Blood
and Treasure.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
A lot of fun just came out.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I think I forget publication day, but it's right around now.
It was like a week and a half ago. It
just published a week and a half ago. A really
fun book.
I often get books to read a little before they
come out to the public so that I have the
opportunity to have read it when I talk with the
author on or around publication day. And such is the
case with the book I'm holding in my hand right now.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's called Blood and Treasure.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
It's a new thriller by first time thriller author Ryan
Pote and it is a really fun read that I
describe as something like a mix between a paramilitary special
ops thriller and Raiders of the Lost Arc. And it's
it's really a lot of fun and it's it's quite
(00:37):
different from you know, I read a lot of thrillers,
and I have a lot of thriller authors.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's a really.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Different kind of book and it's really really fun. And
Ryan Poe joins us to talk about it right now.
Welcome Ryan, good to talk to you for the first time.
And and and thank you for entertaining me.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
But really good to have you here.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Oh Ross, it's great to be here. I'm super I
love talking about this book, so.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I bet you do. I bet you so.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Before we get into the book, I read a little
about you and you got a very very fascinating background
which probably leads to your being able to write a.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Book that's got so many different aspects to it.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
But I mean, tell us a little about your background.
I mean, just for example, on the wall behind you,
I see a pistol, and I also see a knife
that looks like it's from the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So, you know, tell us a little about you.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Sure you know. I never wanted to be a writer.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I wasn't one of those people who grew up, you know,
thinking this was going to be in my path. I
never wrote creative fiction. I was I was doing what
I wanted to do. Like I'd never been out of
New England. When I graduated high school, I had this
deep seated desire to go do something exciting. I packed
my bags and moved to Hawaii. Became a scooper instructor
out there, and I was just trying to I was
(01:56):
just always looking for the next adventure. I joined the Navy,
became a helicopter pilot. I did count a narcotics mission
with a joint Interagency Task Force for about twelve years.
Search and rescue pilot in there as well, and I
had a lot of jobs in between those two stories.
Men did a lot of different things. But I was always,
you know, just doing what I was doing. And then
(02:18):
when I got injured and flying was taken away from me,
I couldn't fly anymore at all. That was my career,
That's what I poured my life into. I kind of
was lost and I didn't know.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
What to do.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I was dealing with PTSD, and I started. I started
writing as a as a therapy exercise, and that turned
into discovering that I had a knack for and a
passion for writing fiction. And that just started this journey
of writing five books before I got published. And and yeah,
now now we all get to read Blood and Treasure.
(02:49):
I absolutely loved writing this book. I loved the character.
I love the series. It's it's so it. I love
what you said that it's different, that it's unique, because
that's what I's what I was going for. And you know,
this book was rejected over four hundred times before you know,
it's it's it's they don't really know still where to
place it on the shelves. And I kind of like that.
(03:11):
You know, it's not good for sales, I think, but
I like that it's, uh, it's got its own little
niche carved out.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
So I like it too, And I, you know, I
was looking at some of the blurbs and the press materials,
and you've got you've got Brad Taylor, and you've got
Taylor Moore, and you've got Andrews and Wilson, and you've
got others too. But those are just ones who have
been on my show, who have been you know, who
are you got? You got some really big names there.
And I guess it was a little bit incorrect when
(03:36):
I called you a first time author. It's a first
time published author. It's not your not your first book.
But just again, one more, just two, two more things.
You did some science y kind of stuff in addition
to the military stuff, and I'm a science nerd, so
tell me a little about that.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Sure. So I got injured scuba diving.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Actually I you know, not to like say grand eyes whatever,
but it was, uh, I had to rescue one of
my clients at at one hundred feet and I ended
up getting a mediastylemphysema and some bear traumas in my
ear and you know, uh, you know, decompression chamber and
all that stuff, and so I couldn't dive for like
you can't dive after you decompression for like six months.
(04:19):
So I had to do something else and that was
like my that was my full time job at the time,
so I was you know, I was bartending as well,
but I needed something else, so I, uh, I found
this lab on base. I had taken a couple of
micro bioclasses and had the skills to do it, and
they were looking for another tech and so I came
(04:41):
on board as a full time employee for them. And
it turns out it was it was a lab run
by Shell Oil. It was a company called Salana, and
they were in the early stages of researching algal biofuels,
so basically taking the oil from algae. Uh and you know,
refining that process to able to make it a viable
(05:02):
business option to get you know, the equivalent of ethanol
out of or diesel fuel out of algae.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
And they weren't the only company. They weren't the only
couple company doing Chevron was doing it all. Everyone Everyone's
actually working on those and that was gosh, that was
at this It was well over fifteen years ago, but
so it's probably way more advanced now. But I did
that for about a year and a half every day
and I.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Learned a lot. It was super super cool to be
a part of that job.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I have to just tell you, I have to tell
you one maybe the dumbest thing I've ever done, but
you'll appreciate it. So Ball got those Solomon Islands scuba
diving with with two women who are both master divers.
And you are probably aware, as a guy who's done
a lot of scuba, how good women are with air
(05:56):
when they're diving compared to us. Right, So, anyway, we
went down trying to remember the exact number. I took
a picture of my dive computer. It was something just
over two hundred feet. And we took out our knives
and started banging on our tanks behind us with our knives,
and we got these two like our eleven or twelve
(06:17):
foot hammerhead sharks that came to check us out a
little over two hundred feet with no special equipment, no nothing.
We couldn't stay there for very long. Of course, we
had to come up very slowly. But yeah, I thought
you'd appreciate that story.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, we've all done dumb dive things.
You want, you want a dumb dive story of mine? Yeah, yeah,
give me one okay. So we used to take our
boats out to this wreck called the Sea Tiger, which
is in one hundred and twenty feet of water off
the coast of the Wahoo, And you know, we dove
that wreck so many times, gone in and out and
through it, and we used to just you know, we
were young, dumb kids, and we would get we would
(06:58):
be out, you know, partying all night. So we'd show
up in the morning, like, you know, kind of under
the weather. So we'd breathe some medical oxygen first to
kind of get ourselves going, and then we would take
our gear, our dive gear, and we'd weigh it down
and just turn it on and toss it over and
just let it sink to one hundred and twenty feet
and then we would just grab the rope to tie
(07:18):
the boat off, and a heavy lead weight belt, our
and our mask and we would just jump off and
and just sink down to one hundred twenty feet, tie
the boat up, and then you got to make it
to your gear. Basically, it was we used to call
it supermanning to the bottom, but man, it was stupid.
In retrospect, it was dumb, but while we were doing it,
it was a heck a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
That is.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
That's even dumber than mine. That is a fabulous story.
All right, we're talking with Ryan Pote. That's Pote, by
the way, about his new novel, Blood and Treasure.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So let's get to the novel. Now. It's kind of interesting, you.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Know, we're talking about we're talking about scuba. But right
at the beginning first parts of your book, you got
people deep or sort of deep, not that deep underwater, and.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
You got people a mile up in space. Right, you
had everything, you got everything.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Going here, and it starts off with some action in
the in the space station International Space Station. I'm gonna
be a little careful not to not to spoil stuff,
but give us an overview of the plot. And I
like to ask authors to do it so I don't
say something you don't want me to say.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Oh no, that's okay.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, this one's tough to do that with, you know,
because I and I made it that way.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
But yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
So you you start right off in the prologue, you
are the reader is attached to a character in NASA
Johnson Space Center Mission Control. They you are right in
the middle of a problem that nobody understands and neither
the use. You're figuring it out along with them, and
they've lost all connection to the station. They've lost control
of the station. They don't have audio video. They're trying
to restore that video feed. When when you start the book,
(08:54):
they get glimpses of that video feed that cuts back
in just in just in time for them to see
one astrona on board, motioned as a hottie, and she
has killed everybody on board, and then she blows up
the station. They lose connection, and that's pretty much where
they're at with it. Then we're cut and nobody understands why.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
And then we're.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Cut to the coast of Mozambique, where you're introduced to
the protagonist, Ethan Kane, and he's he's been on when
you when you join him, he's been on the hunt
for some kind of relic that he's been paid to
recover and from from the ocean, and but you're at
the tail end of it with him, so you don't go.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
He's pretty much already found it.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
And as he's as he's hauling this thing out of
the water, there are some bad people who are after him,
and something fin the sky, a fiery mass almost takes
out their boats and crashed into the ocean and it sinks,
and when he goes to investigate, it's the Soyu space
capsule from the International Space Station. It's filling with water
and inside there's a loan astronaut and she's trapped and
(09:55):
he has to save her before she drowns.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
And you as the reader, know that.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
That astronaut is the woman from the prologue who killed
everybody in the space station, but he doesn't know who that.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
He doesn't know who that is.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
And and then it turns out the people that are
after him for what he's recovering are also after her,
and so it begins this interconnected web to figure out
how the events in the space station are connected to
this relic he's pulled out of the ocean and who
is this astronaut from space?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
And that's that kicks off the adventure that spans part
of the globe.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It really is a remarkable story.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Like I said, I described it earlier as a something
between a paramilitary kind of thriller and and Raiders of
the Lost Dark. And there are aspects of this that
are distinctly I don't know if you'd call them spiritual
religious something and is that is that a reflection of
(10:50):
you or is that just a is that just a
plot device or what is that?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Well, you know, it's funny, it's kind of bol like
I actually had my own kind of spiritual journey and
to faith through writing this book.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Actually ironically, because that's.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Actually a theme in the book because when I was writing.
So you'll learn within the first five chapters of the book,
so I'm not going to spoil this, that he's searching
for the Arc of the Covenant and you know, fans
of like Raiders of the Lost.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Arc and something like that.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
You know, I found a story that really resonated with
with doing an Arc of the Covenant story, and I
knew it was going to be full of all these
tropes from the past, and you know, there's so many copycats,
and I really didn't want that. I wanted to create
something that was unique and fresh and different. So I
thought of different ways that I could do that to
break away from you know, the old and do something new.
(11:43):
And one way that I devised to do that was
to imbue the novel with the essence, the words, the flavor,
the history, the feeling of the Old Testament, where the
Arc of the Covenant is from. And if I could
do that, I wouldn't have to bore you with all
of its history the feeling of it. It would just
be in the very words you were reading. And in
(12:04):
doing that it kind of brought it. It made it
feel fresh while I was writing it, and it just
kind of brought the whole vibe to life of.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
This this arc of the Covenant, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Chase and and so I intentionally did that and leaned
into it and and just kind of wove it more into.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
The fabric of the story.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
So, yeah, it's got lots of deep themes that cover that.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, I will say, folks, again, like I read a
lot of thrillers, and there it's been a while since
I've read one that has so many threads interweaving in
such interesting ways with you know, the arc of the Covenant,
the the murderous female astronaut in the space station, other
(12:46):
stuff that I'm not going to tell you about because
you have.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
To just go read the book.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I'll ask you one more question about a little phrase
that comes up repeatedly throughout the book, Memento.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Maury. Tell us a little about Memento Maury.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Sure, it's it's a Latin phrase. It means remember that
we must die. It's kind of, you know, going back
to the old stoics. You know, a lot of people
read Marcusralias meditations things like that.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
People were very people back then.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
We were very focused on the the brief myst that
is life and that the you know, the true way
to to find happiness in life is to just move
on from the past, look forward and know that you're
not going to be bringing a U haul with you
into the next life, and that all your regrets and
(13:33):
things they are lessons of the past and you can
only go forward and in bringing your regrets for it.
You know, there's a there's a whole lot, uh that's
packaged into to what momento Morey became in the in
the ancient kind of mottos. I wove it into the
story because I thought that I was dealing with a
(13:53):
lot of regret in the story, and having characters deal
with regret and regret in different way is almost every
character has a little relationship dynamic that deals with regret
in their own way, and I think a lot of
people reading it might kind of attach to a different
characters dynamic because of their own circumstances, and I just
(14:17):
made I made it kind of a motto throughout to
kind of have a motto for.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
The series, if you will, and also for the character.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I thought, if it Ethan Kaine's whole story and kind
of his arc, and I like to do.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
What I was trying to do with this book.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Was set a trajectory for the series because it is
a series and there's more books to come in this one,
and I wanted to kind of set a trajectory for
fans to kind of know if you read it and
you like it, you can kind of parse out and
figure out where this is going, where the character's going,
and the kind of flavor that you're going to get
from these books.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Ryan Poach's first published novel out now called Blood and Treasure.
It is really a lot of fun and you will
want to read the rest of the series.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I know I already want to read the rest of
the series, and I.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Think my listeners know I'm I'm very picky when it
comes to thrillers because there's there are a lot of
thriller writers out there, and not all of them are
a good use of my time or yours. This book
sure is Blood and Treasure. It is so much fun.
Congratulations on persevering through you know, a few books not
getting published and then working so hard to get this
one published.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
It definitely deserved to be published, and I wish.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
You lots of success and we'll talk with you for
the next book and maybe even get you out for
an event at some point.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Absolutely, and thank you for saying all that about the book.
Truly like to be cliche one hundred percent. I poured
a lot of my own blood and treasure into the book.
So to hear people you know, really resonating with it
means the world to me.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
So thanks you for having me on. I'm glad to
come back anytime.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Glad to do it, Ryan, and thank you for your
service to our country.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Thank you Ross.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
All right, all right, so yeah, everybody go read Blood
and Treasure.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
A lot of fun just came out.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I think I forget publication day, but it's right around now.
It was like a week and a half ago. It
just published a week and a half ago. A really
fun book.
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