08-07-25 - *FULL SHOW* Phil Weiser Sues Trump; TrumpPutin; No SNAP Soda

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is KOA. Thanks for joining me for what.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
I hope to be another semi professional radio show. Is
what I aspire to do here each and every day.
Let's see, I'm gonna take my broncos head off, all right.
I say this a lot, and it's always true. It
is amazing how Pat Woodard and I tend to think

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of the same stories as the most important stories.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
It's amazing. Normally, when I come into so.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Right, Pat does the earlier news right, and then we
come in and so Pat has that usually has that
news broadcast right before I start, and then Chad Bauer
and whoever else might be, you know, and I.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Normally and they all pick.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Whatever they think is most important, most interesting, and they
all do pick important and interesting stories. It's just my mindset.
And it might be because I've got a financial background,
and Pat Woodard is very tied in with finance and
all that as well. But I've never found like a
news dude with who I'm so aligned on what are

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the stories I would pick, right, and they are the
stories he picks. And often it happens that I, you know,
I create this what I call a show sheet every morning,
and I don't always abide by it very well. But
usually I at least start the show with right.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Channon's crumpling up a piece of paper and throwing it away.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Usually I at least start the show with what's on
the show sheet, and.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
So often I come in and then what.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Pat what are talking about in the news is exactly
what I had in my first section of the show sheet.
So that's pretty cool. So why don't I actually.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Tackle a couple of those things to sort of follow
up on some stuff Pat was talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Let's do tariffs first.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
So we live in a very strange time in the
sense that there are so many things going on, big things,
big changes, revolutionary kind of stuff, all at the same time. Right,
And Pat actually talked about too, So I'll talk about
the same two for a few minutes, tariffs and Russia. Right,

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So let's do both. And these things are all related
to each other, which is strange as well.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
You might think Howard tariffs has trade policy related to
a war, but it's all related, and Trump makes it related,
and that's just a you know, it's not a criticism,
it's an observation. It's actually quite interesting how he makes
everything related. But let's talk about tariffs for a minute.
So you know that when Trump was just first getting
going with the trade war stuff, I got very, very

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bearish on the stock market. I sold a lot of stuff,
and I was extremely right for a short time. And
then everything turned around and it recovered everything, and it
made new highs down a little today, but still the
stock market's been absolutely incredible now. Part of the reason
for that is that early on the President threatened a

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lot of tariffs but didn't impose very much. Now, as
of last night actually or midnight this morning, however you
want to talk about it, there are a lot of
new tariffs in place, and it's unclear to me how
it'll all play out. Here's what I think, and I
offer nothing with very high confidence right now. Because everything

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is changing so fast, and because President Trump is so mercurial,
he can change his mind, and also, separate from how
he changes his mind, other foreign leaders might make deals
with him that will just change the situation on the ground.
So it's partly about Trump, but it's not just about Trump.
It's about how other people react to him as well.

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If the tariffs stay in place at something like the
levels they went into place yesterday, I have absolutely no
doubt that it will hurt the economy, but compared.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
To what because you got to think about some of
the other stuff that's going on at the same time.
And if you think.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
About what Trump is doing, for example, with deregulation, that's
positive for the economy, and that's stuff that never would
have happened under the Democrats. You think about the big
beautiful Bill, which I did criticize somewhat, and I said
and still say, there's parts of it I would definitely change,
but there are parts of it that are very important,
like extending the current tax rates so that we don't

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have the biggest tax hike in American history. If Democrats
have been in charge there and we would have had
these big tax hikes, we'd be in a recession already.
And so you have all these countervailing things. And then
the stock market, which is not the same as the economy,
but the stock market, you still have a lot.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Of cash on the sides.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
You still seem to have a lot of especially younger
investors and individual investors who are much more optimistic. And
every time the professionals start selling, the non professionals just
buy it all and then buy more, and it goes
up and they they're making the professionals look stupid so far.
And I have no idea if it's going to keep
playing out that way or not. We haven't had a

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recession for a long time. I would kind of expect one,
but who knows. There's no way to know when it'll happen.
And dear, let me give you a bad analogy for that.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Assume that that I give you a.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Coin, a penny that's absolutely a fair penny.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
It's not weighted, it's not some cheating coin.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
It's a legit penny, and you flip it ten times
and it comes up heads every time, Okay.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Comes uphead every single time. This is the point.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
A lot of people seem to not understand. What's the
percentage chance of that coin coming up heads the next time?
If it's come up heads ten times already, And just
assume for the sake of the conversation it's fifty to fifty.
If you flipped it an infinite number of times, it

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would be fifty to fifty. Okay, it's come up to
heads ten times in a row, what are the odds
of it coming up heads on the eleventh spin after
it's come up heads ten times in a row. A
lot of people will get this wrong. I'll come back
to that in a second. My point there though, before
before I give you the answer is just because you
have a recession historically every x years doesn't mean that

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you can't go a lot more than x without a recession.
The answer to the question, if you flip a fair coin,
you know for sure it's fair and it should be
fifty to fifty. You flip it ten times and it
comes up heads every single time, the chance of it
coming up heads on the next flip is fifty. It's
fifty to fifty. It's always fifty to fifty. They are

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independent flips in there. That's what you have to keep
in mind. Does the outcome of one flip have anything
to do Does the coin have any way to know
to remember to be influenced by any previous flip? And
the answer is no, it's independent. So don't be fooled
by that, right. So that's kind of how I think
about when a recession will come. The other thing is,

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don't fight the Fed. The FED is very likely to
cut rates at their next meeting in a way. You
know how President Trump fight the head of the Bureau
of labor statistics after the bad jobs report and the
really bad revisions to the two jobs reports. Those revisions
are likely to make sure that Trump gets the interest

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rate cuts that he's been calling for, and there's a
pretty decent chance they'll cut in the meeting after that too.
And I should say Trump's right, the FED should have
cut before. Trump's probably wrong that it means that long
term rates will go down a lot. Long term rates
have gone down a little, but he's right, the FED
is way behind the curve and they should have cut already. Anyway,
My point is it's a complicated time.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Now.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
You've got the Russia thing that that Pat also talked about.
So there might or might not be a meeting between
Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin's being proposed to maybe be
somewhere in the Middle East, maybe without any European leaders there,
to see if they can have some conversation about ending
the war. What I think will happen is that Putin

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will present Trump with something that he calls a peace plan,
and that it will basically mean Ukraine surrendering all the land.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
That Russia has right now that Russia.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Has captured from Ukraine, and then Ukraine will say no,
you can't have our land, and then Russia will say, see,
Ukraine doesn't want peace. This is what Putin has done
again and again. The difference this time, if there is
a meeting is that it's very very clear that now,
unlike a year ago, Donald Trump is very skeptical of Putin. Previously,

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he was more skeptical of Zelenski and was inclined to
I wouldn't say trust Putin, but to want to trust Putin.
I don't think that's the case anymore. I think Donald
Trump is pretty clear eyed about Putin right now, and
I think that could make the dynamics of this different.
And then, of course, with that war going on, that
again ties into the issue of tariffs, which I won't
get into any further. I guess that was just a

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long way of saying, we sure do live in interesting times.
Special session of the state legislature that I believe is
starting two weeks from two weeks from today. I believe
so Governor Polus called that we had a feeling it
was coming, and not surprising. Democrats are blaming the Big
Beautiful Bill for a drop in revenue to the state
with the federal government sending less revenue to the state.

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I talked about this a lot yesterday, so I'm not.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Going to go over it that part much again.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
I'll just say my reaction when I hear that Colorado
is going to get a billion dollars less from the
federal government is that's a good start, right, and all
the other states like they should all get less from
the federal government. As I said yesterday, this is just
a way to sort of whitewash or greenwash states that
don't really run balanced budgets even though they're supposed to,
and they just pay for it by draining the future

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savings of our children.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
And it's disgusting. Now, the part I.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Want to talk about, though, that's new, is I saw
a piece in the Denver Post yesterday where the governor
was talking about how he wants to try to make
up this money. They released some new projections. The original
talk was about a billion dollars. Now they're talking about
just under eight hundred million. I'll use the number. Eight
hundred million is a round number if you want to know.

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The estimate is seven hundred and eighty three million, but
I'll call it eight hundred and what So, what I
would like to see if they need to find eight
hundred million dollars in savings. Is I'd like to see
eight hundred million dollars in spending cuts.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
But of course Democrats have.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Absolutely no, no desire ever to cut spending. The only
cut spending when they have to, right, especially at the state,
at the state level. So Governor Polis City wants to
have a state level hiring freeze. That's not even going
to save ten million, maybe not even five million.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
They need eight hundred million.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Okay, Now, the governor has proposed some some revenue savings things,
some changes to medicaid things like that. But basically what
they proposed yesterday was taking a few hundred million dollars
out of the state's reserve fund, cutting a couple hundred

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million dollars of spending, and raising three hundred million dollars
in what they'll call new revenue, which would be some
combination of taxes and fees, probably more taxes than fees actually,
by by doing things like limiting tax deductions and here
is this from the Denver Post limit who can access

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other tax deductions put in a proposal to allow businesses
to prepay their taxes. I wonder what the benefit would
be they maybe you do that, maybe you tell and
I mentioned yesterday because the governor and Mark Farandino, who's
really the top budget dude, said this on the show.
The budget shortfall the following year will be smaller than

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it is next year.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
They actually need smaller cuts.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
I'm sorry, they need bigger cuts now in smaller cuts
the year after. So it actually kind of makes sense
if you're a reliance on tax revenue, to come up
with a plan where you tell a business, hey, you know,
we'll I don't know, we'll, we'll discount your tax bill
by five percent or ten percent if you estimate next
to your taxes and pay it now. Actually, to me,

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it sounds very very complicated, and if I were a business,
I'm not actually sure I take them up on that,
But that seems to be the kind of thing they're
talking about. What else, adjust a unique eighty million dollars
annual tax reduction for the insurance industry.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
I don't know what that is.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Expand limitations on corporations that park their earnings in foreign
countries to avoid tax liability here. So again, there's all
kinds of things to suck more money out of out
of the state out of the private sector in the state.
This is this is not surprising. Nevertheless, it is disappointing.

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I you know, we have this budget problem not because
of not.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Because as of a revenue. I mean, obviously you.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Could say you can call it anything, but the size
of this state's government in terms of the people who
work for it, the amount of money it spends, and
everything is exploded beyond, far beyond the population and inflation,
and all of this adjustment should be done by spending cuts.
And yet, and yet, of the eight hundred million or

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so that they need to cut, it looks like they
are going to try to only have about a quarter
of it the actual spending cuts, with the rest being
kind of split between taking money out of the rainy
day fund and effectively raising taxes.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
They're not going to raise.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
The tax rate and raise taxes on everybody. But what
they're gonna do is they're gonna have particular victim groups,
right the insurance industry or.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
This kind of company or that kind of business, and
you're going to be the target.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
And it's, like I said, it's disappointing, but not surprising.
And we'll see the problem is and this is the
part of the part is a brain fart. It's a
brain fart. But I was gonna say, it's the fault
of Colorado voters who gave one party, this party, complete

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control of the state of Colorado, and we're all going
to be suffering the consequences.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
I'm trying to get Senator Michael Bennett on the show. Now.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
I think I've in my years of let's say, ten
years of being full time here at iHeart, four years here,
six years across the Hall of kay how I might
have had Michael Bennett once maybe, but starting some years ago,
and I'm not exactly sure why. Every time I asked

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for him, they said no, and I basically gave up
and I kind of stopped asking.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
I asked again yesterday and no answer yet.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
And it's not that I really care about Senator Michael Bennett.
Doesn't do much for me, to say the least, but
he might be the next governor, and I'd like to
have a decent working relationship with the next governor. He
and I are not going to be friends the way
I can talk to Jared Polis. Since I've known Jared
Polis since since before he was in Congress. That's why

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that's why we know each other. I've known him a
very long time. I never have I would never have
a relationship like that with Michael Bennett, but I sure
would like, just for the benefit of my show listeners
and KOA listeners, to be able to get him on
the show.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
So I'm trying now.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
I don't again, I haven't had too much use for him,
but he said something in the past couple of days
that I actually agree with. And Shannon, if you could
put my audio up please, I'm going to try to
make this work. I'm playing it from Facebook, but we're
going to see if we can make this work.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Let's have a listen to Senator Michael Bennett.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
As angry as I am at Trump, which is very angry,
and as angry as I am at people that are
not pushing back on Trump.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
I am very angry about that.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
I also want to say, and I'm not assuming everybody
here is a Democrat, but you can hear me say,
I'm also incredibly angry at the National Democratic Party for
losing a second election to Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
We should never have lost this election. We should never
have lost this election.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
It is it is, it is catastroping.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
You tell me what the.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
Democrats education policy was in the last election. You tell
me what the Democrats healthcare policy was. You tell me
if Democrats had an immigration policy that made any sense.
So that's I'm not here to blame them for that,
but that's part of what we have to figure out
as well, because if we don't figure it out and

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we keep losing elections to Trump or whoever comes after,
the answer is we'll never solve them.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Adam, So I think he's right. Now. Just let me
be real clear about something.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
I'm not saying that I wish Kamala Harris had won
the election. I'm absolutely positively not saying that. I'm saying
that Michael Bennett, as a Democrat, is right to be
angry at Democrats for losing an election to a guy
they should have been able to beat. And again, I'm please,
don't take this as some kind of assault on Trump,

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all right, but just think back to the time of
that election, and Trump's favorability numbers have never been very
high and still weren't very high, and a lot of
people were still holding, you know, January sixth, against him
and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Objectively, he was a weak candidate.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Objectively, Donald Trump has been a weak candidate all three
times that he's run. But to put a finer point
on what Michael Bennett is saying about this past election,
all three times Trump has been a week candidate, but
two of the three times the Democrats have put up

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a weaker candidate. And that's really something, isn't it. And
I think, again, from.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
The perspective of a Democrat, and I mean him, not.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Me, he's not wrong.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
I used to say, and I'm talking about let's say
ten years ago now or so, I used to say,
can you please, can somebody please.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Explain to me.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
What the Republican Party stands for, like after Bush and
before Trump? Okay, what or during Bush and before Trump?
You know, with Trump now, I would say there's some
understanding of what the Republican Party stands for, at least

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while Trump is in charge. It's not the same as
what the Republican Party stood for. But that's not the point.
That's not the point. It's you know it. Maybe maybe
they changed their formula, you know, or maybe you know
Republicans are buying coca instead of doctor pepper, but you
know the difference, and you made your choice. But you
know what it is what do Democrats stand for now?

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So it's really flipped it.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
You used to be that.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Democrats were the party of the quote unquote working class
and wanted, you know, more free stuff, but really they
were about kind of bringing everybody up, and the Republicans
were about.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
More freedom for.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Business, maybe less freedom and your social and your personal life.
And and Democrats though didn't he that they were about regulation.
They're about making things fair and equal and all this right,
And you kind of knew what the Democrats stood for.
But after a while Republicans didn't really stand for anything
because they talked a good game, but then they would

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pass tax hikes and they would go along with regulations,
and they were just lost and they didn't mean anything,
and they were just flo floundering around, panicking, trying to
figure out how to react to the fact that Barack
Obama became president of the United States. By the way,
Barack Obama was a weak candidate twice and one because

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Republicans put up John McCain. You know why they put
up John McCain, because it was his turn. And then
they put up Mitt Romney, who, by the way, could
have been pretty decent as a president. I think I
don't despise Mitt Romney. He's a little squishy, okay, but
he ran a terrible campaign. I won't reiterator, I won't

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rehash all that. But we haven't had a strong.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Presidential candidate in this country for a long time.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
So now Michael Bennett is there saying, well, what a
Democrats stand for? And it's the right ques question because
it used to be with the Bernie Sanders days in particular,
and that stuff. It was all about economics, and that's
where the Democrats are on their home turf, right, That's
where were the Democrats are going to say. We are

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going to essentially, I'm gonna I'm gonna distill it down.
We're gonna redistribute the wealth, whether through the tax code
or through regulation or through entitlement programs or anything. And
we're going to take stuff from people who have more
and give stuff to people who have less. And I
could word it in a more biased way, we will

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punish the successful and.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Reward the less successful. But it worked, and they.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Had the lower economic classes pretty locked.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Up for a long time. And they also seemed to.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Care about things like free speech, and they seemed to
care about things like education. But what now, and again,
this is what Michael Bennett was just talking about.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
What now, So here's what happened to the Demmocratic Party.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
One of the main things that happened to the Democratic Party,
and that is that because of the ultra woke left,
they moved away from a consistent focus on economic stratification
in the United States of America into a focus on race,
and everything became about white people versus everybody else. But

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Americans don't really feel that way, and most Democrats don't
even feel that way.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Now.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Of course, most Democrats are going to vote for the
Democrat because it's your team. But for those loosely affiliated
people or people who were Democrats and become unaffiliated.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
And then they have someone.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Like Trump who yeah, for all is false as a
kind of populist Republican who has a lot of appeal
with middle and lower income people, much more than any
republic any other Republican in my lifetime probably, and the
Democrats turned away from what they always stood for and

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lose kind of like Republicans lost to Barack Obama when
Americans didn't know what Republicans stood for anymore. And Michael
Bennett is right, what is or in the last election.
As Michael Bennett put what was the Democrats education policy?

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Were they for the kids? No, I don't think so.
Were they for the teachers' unions?

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Think about how Democrats behaved during COVID keeping schools closed.
Think about how angry that rightfully made so many non Republican,
non conservative, suburban moms.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Think about Jennifer Say.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
You know Jennifer Say quite famous now, friend of the show,
friend of ours.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
She was in line to.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Be the CEO at Levi Strauss in San Francisco. She
described herself as a left of left of center person, as.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
You would expect from someone.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Life long in San Francisco, or not quite life long,
but long time. And despite the fact she had a
pretty good job, made pretty good money, her kids are
in public school, and her public school shut down and
refused to open again, even when it was obvious that.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
It was safe, and she got really.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Pissed off, and she started commenting about it in public
and Levi's told her to pipe down, and she said, no,
I won't pipe down. This is about my kids. And
Levi said to her basically like, if you don't pipe down,
we're not going to make you CEO. And she said,
I'm not piping down. And then they said, well, how
about if we give you a severance package and you

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just go. But in order to get this million dollars
or whatever the number was, I don't know what the
number was. But in order to get this money, we'll
give you this. I'm going to make up a number
a million dollars. In order to get this million dollars,
you have to agree to shut up about this stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
And she said, no, I'll you keep the million dollars.
I'm gonna keep talking.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
She moved to Denver, and she's not a conservative, okay,
but it's changed her to changed her view of the
Democratic Party.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
And there was a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
And so I think I've spent enough on this because
we're far away from the midterm elections still. But I
just wanted to make the point because a point I
don't make very often.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Michael Bennett was right about something. He's right about something.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
The Democrats have an enormous brand problem. Two other very
quick examples Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas in the past couple of
days making all kinds of positive comments about the socialist
anti Semite zoron Mom Donnie, who may well be the
next mayor of New York City being the future of
the Democratic Party.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
If that guy, a.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Socialist, essentially anti American, anti Semite, is the future of
the Democratic Party.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
And one of.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
The more senior members of the Democratic Party in the
United States Senate is saying that that's bad for their brand.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Because most people don't want that.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
And then you had this member of Congress and I'm
blanking on her name.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Let me see if I can find it real quick.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Uh, let's see, let me see if I can find
find this news.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Come on, come on, come on, come on, all right? Uh.
Representative Delia D. E l I A. Ramirez.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
She's a Democrat of from Illinois. And she went to
speak at some kind of conference, some kind of Pan
American something, Pan American Congress, and she was joined by
some of the other worst members of the House of
Representatives like Johan Omar and Rashida Talib and anyway, anyway,

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when she was at this conference, she.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Said out loud that she.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Considers herself a Guatemalan first and then an American and
I think she's born in America to illegal aliens. And
here's a fun little tip for Ice. Although they know
this already. But if Ice has a little time on
their hands, she's married to an illegal immigrant. This member

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of Congress is married to an illegal immigrant. Now, I
got nothing against illegal immigrants, but I do have a
big problem with somebody. By the way, I also don't
even have an enormous problem, small problem, but not an
enormous problem with somebody who maybe is an immigrant to
the United States and truly loves their own country, and

(27:38):
maybe even loves their own country more than the United
States by a little bit. Although if that's the case,
you probably should have stayed there. But I can live
with it. But what I can't live with is somebody
like that in Congress. You're gonna run for Congress. You're
gonna be in Congress. You're gonna represent Americans. You're gonna
run almost everybody you represent. You know, well, certainly everybody

(28:00):
who voted for you is a citizen, and probably almost
everybody you represent loves America more than any other place.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
You're allowed to love another place. It's fine, But.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
For a person like that, a member of Congress, to
say I'm Guatemalan first and then American. To get back
to Michael Bennett's point, Democrats have a huge brand problem.
And that plays into something that I spent some time
talking about yesterday, which is that we have to always
remember that elections are actually choices. And despite all this

(28:34):
stuff that you hear about people who love to bash
Republicans or bash Trump or bash whatever, remember that the
Democrats are.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Not putting up anything even vaguely close.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
To an appealing alternative. All right, enough politics for now,
let me do something completely different. This is from the
AP and I saw this story yesterday and I really
dig this story, so I will not be able to
pronounounce this town. But the date line is a place
called devoor dvu r Kralova Krlove, which.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Is I guess, a place in the Czech Republic. And
let me share this with you because it's so much fun.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Four barbary lion cubs were born recently in a Czech zoo,
a vital contribution for a small surviving population of the
rare lion that is extinct in the wild. The three
females and one male were seen playing in their outdoor
enclosure at the I won't try to repeat the name
of the town safari park on Wednesday, enjoying themselves under

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the watchful eyes of their parents, Khalila and Bart. That
will change soon as part of an international endangered species
program that coordinates efforts for their survival in captivity, the
cubs will be sent to other participating parks, including the.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Bearsheba Zoo in Israel.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Chances are that might not be the end of the
story for the animal. The deputy director of the Safari
Park or the Wildlife Park, said that while preliminary steps
have been taken for a possible reintroduction of the barbary
lion into its natural habitat, it's still a far distant future.
But still isn't that awesome that it's even possible. The

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majestic member of the northern lion subspecies, the barbary lion.
And you've all heard the term the Barbary pirates, right,
do you know where they were? By the way, do
you know where the Barbary pirates where you hear about?
I think was Thomas Jefferson, right, I think was Thomas
Jefferson created the United States Marine Corps to go deal

(30:42):
with the Barbary pirates. That's the coast of North Africa, right,
particularly by Libya.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
But that's where it is.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
It's North Africa, so Anyway, the barbary lion North Africa,
including the Atlas Mountains, which are most famous in Morocco
a symbol of strength, they were almost completely wiped out
to human activities. Many were killed by gladiators in Roman times,
while overhunting in a loss of habitat contribute contributed.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
To their extinction. Later check this out.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
The last known photo of a wild barbary lion was
taken one hundred years ago nineteen twenty five, and the
last known living barbary lion living in the wild was
killed in nineteen forty two. Living the last known individual,

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it's believed that the last small I'm not.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Sure how this lines up. I just read that to you.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Then they say it's believed the last small populations went
extinct in the wild in the middle of the nineteen sixties. Anyway,
you get, it's been dead in the wild for a
long time. Fewer than two hundred Barbaria lions are currently
estimated to be alive anywhere in the world.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Obviously they're all in captivity.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
This guy from the Czech Republic said that if after
initial talks with Moroccan authority, who have not rejected the
idea of the reintroduction. A conference of experts has been
planned to take place in Morocco late this year or
early next year to decide whether it makes sense to
go ahead with a plan in one of the national
parks in the Atlas Mountains. Any reintroduction would face numerous
bureaucratic and other obstacles since the lion hasn't been present

(32:18):
in the environment for a long time. The plans would
have to ensure their protection, a sufficient prey population, and
cooperation and approval with local communities. The check guy said
such a move is worth trying if it turns out
to be sustainable. He said, quote, it's important to have
such a vision for any animal. Without it, the existence
of zoos wouldn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
So I dig that story.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
It is interesting though, thinking about what would have to
happen to be able to put this lion back in
the wild. Two things, right, You need to keep them
safe and you need to keep them fed, so you'd
need I don't know what these lions eat, and I'm
sure some kind of antelope probably maybe some kind of pig,
so you'd need to make sure there's.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Enough of that there.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
And if those animals are going to be there, then
you need to make sure there's enough for those animals
to eat. But for example, if the climate has changed enough,
if the environment there has changed enough that the stuff
that whatever antelope might have eaten sixty years ago isn't
there anymore, then maybe you can't do it.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
And then the other thing to keep in mind would
be that you would you know, people are gonna want
to come hunt these things, and especially like the Chinese.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
You know, the Asians are absolutely not just the Chinese,
but they're particularly bad. They are just absolutely crazy about
their desire to kill the most interesting and endangered mammals
because they think it'll work better than viagra for them. Right,
it's really pretty nuts. But what you probably have to

(33:43):
do is to you probably have to implement a death
penalty for the poaching of these lions. So I don't know,
I don't know what's gonna happen, but I did want
to share that with you. One other story I'm gonna
do just much more quickly because I don't want to
spend a long time on it because it's kind of
a troubling story. But there's a former New York Giants
New York Football Giants running back named Lashawn Johnson, and

(34:07):
he was in the league quite a while back. I
think maybe in the nineteen nineties, late nineties, something like that,
mid late nineties, he was in the NFL. Anyway, here's
the headline ex Giants running Back Lashawn Johnson found guilty
in largest federal dog fighting case ever.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
A federal jury in Oklahoma found the former Giants Running
Back guilty last week of violating the Federal Animal Welfare Acts,
provisions prohibitions against possessing, selling, transporting, and delivering animals to
be used in fighting ventures. He will be sentenced at
a later date maximum penalty of five years behind bars
a fine of up to a quarter million dollars on

(34:46):
each count. Authority sees to you ready for this one
hundred and ninety dogs and Johnson has surrendered them to
the government, which is pursuing forfeiture of the animals. Pam Bondi,
Attorney General of the US, said, this criminal profited off
the misery of innocent animals and he will face severe
consequences for his vile crimes. This case underscores the Department

(35:08):
of Justice's commitment to protecting animals from abuse. One hundred
and ninety dogs are now safe thanks to outstanding collaborative
work by our attorneys and law enforcement components.

Speaker 5 (35:18):
So I'm not.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Expert on this stuff, but it does occur to me
that it'd be at least possible that some of these dogs,
given how they've been trained and treated, you might not
be able to keep them around humans anymore.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
I don't know what you do with that.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
At that point, you just keep them in cages and
feed them until they die.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Do you put them down? I don't know. Do you
take a chance?

Speaker 2 (35:38):
You take a dog who was in a fight once
and then say it seems friendly enough, we're going to
adopt him out to a family.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Serious question? How do you do that? I don't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
I mentioned to you that I've been watching I kind
of sort of binge watched the two seasons of this
Australian crime drama on Netflix called Tropo Troppo, and it's
quite good and I like it. And there's a scene
in it where there are these couple of low life
guys who keep a couple of German shepherds or some

(36:14):
German shepherd like dog that like a lot of these
sorts of dogs, or could be a Belgian Malinwa, but
are trained to respond to commands in German, right, And
they keep me in a cage and then they let
them out for security and stuff like that, but they
keep the dogs kind of hungry. And in this scene,
one guy who's really mad at those two guys who
keeps the dogs ties up the two guys who keeps

(36:35):
the dogs, dumps dog food on him and then lets
the dogs out and the dogs do what they're gonna
do to these guys. And I think that would be
the proper punishment for this guy, Lashawn Johnson, for having
one hundred and ninety dogs that he wanted to make
fight against each other.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Maybe he should take them on.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
My name's on the show, as if we don't all
know who's actually in charge, correct.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I like that T shirt. Bagon always has entertaining T shirts.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
It's a stick figure of a well it's a stick
figure and the stick figure is looking at a sign
and the caption underneath the stick figure says, well, that's
not a good sign, and the sign says bad on it.
It is not a good is not a good sign.

(37:23):
So there you go. That's a typical Dragon T shirt.
Let me do a thing here. This is just a
thing I arranged, not an I heeart thing, but so
you know, you might not know. Yesterday we had Brian
Shaw on bench press U like twelve times without even blinking. Yeah,
Brian Shaw four times one World's strongest Man six eight

(37:44):
three eighty five and that's skinny for him, and he
looked he didn't look like he had a freaking ounce
of fat on him. Correct at three hundred and eighty
five pounds. I've just an absolute house of a man
and super friendly and.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Just as nice as could be.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Anyway, next Friday, Saturday and Sunday, he's got this thing
going on up in Loveland called the Shaw Classic, which
is kind of like World's Strongest Man concert the contest,
not concert contest.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
And Friday, I believe, is.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Going to be there the professional arm wrestling Friday's Professional
arm Wrestling, and then Saturday and Sunday are going to
be strongman kind of stuff. And as far as the
main events, the Friday's arm wrestling is six thirty PM,
and the Saturday and Sunday events the strongman stuff, I mean,

(38:39):
I think they're doing stuff in the morning, but the
main events kind of stuff are three in the afternoon
and this is up in Loveland.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
It's something called the Blue Arena, I think.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
So.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Anyway, I actually emailed them this morning and said, well,
you were on the show, and you know we talked
about your thing, and that's that's cool, but can you
do something for me? Can you give me a few
tickets to give the listeners? And they said sure.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
So I'm not even going to do a trivia question.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
I'm just going to say, let's see, it's it's almost
ten oh nine right now as I'm speaking. We'll just
take textures number three and five at ten thirteen am
at five six six nine zero, and they're not going
to be a trivia question. Okay, Text number three and

(39:27):
texture number five at ten thirteen you have to include
your name, your email address, and how many tickets you want.
With a maximum of four, you could have anywhere from one.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
To four tickets.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I would not recommend putting in zero because that would
seem to betray the point of the whole thing. But
textures number three to five, Text number three and five
at ten thirteen, we need your name, your email address.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Oh, I'm sorry. One other thing, which day you want
to go? Friday? Saturday, Sunday. I need to know which
day it's not for all three.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Days Friday, so I need to know Friday, which again
is six thirty pm for arm wrestling, Saturday or Sunday
those are three pm for the strong man events. So
name email address and which day you want to go
and how many tickets you want. I know that was complicated,
but if you get it mostly right in Dragon needs
to ask you more information. We're not going to be
perfectionists on this one. Okay, dragging you good?

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Do I need a thing else? I'm good?

Speaker 6 (40:25):
I mean you could have narrowed it down to a
specific second in that ten night No, but no, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I didn't, all right, Yeah, I had a feeling. I
had a feeling I was gonna let the boss down
with that one. But hopefully I'll still be here. Hopefully
I'll still be here tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
I saw this story.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
I'm doing just ninety seconds on this on Colorado tourism
and in particular mountain towns.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
This is from the Colorado Sun.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Colorado mountaintowns see a rare summer slump in visitors as
state tourism state wide tourism slows. Now, let me say
before I go further. State wide tourism.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
In twenty twenty four was down from twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
It wasn't down a lot, it wasn't down a lot,
but it was down a little. And I think actually
they're what they're looking at in terms of the what
they call the slow down. I actually think it's not
a slowdown in people. I think it's a slow down
in dollars. And what's happening. What seems to be happening

(41:24):
is Americans and Colorado's are going out to our mountain towns,
but foreigners are not coming to the US and going
to the mountain towns. And there's been a huge decline
in the number of Canadians traveling to the United States,
generally including Colorado, because of Donald Trump's aggressive antagonism of Canada,

(41:50):
talking about the fifty first State and the trade war
and all that. Compared with so far going this year,
compared with last year, bookings by Canadian travelers are down
fifty eight percent. Similarly, books from European visitors down thirty
nine percent, visitors from Australia and New Zealand down twenty

(42:11):
one percent. And not all of this is about Trump, right,
I mean a lot of that stuff dropped during COVID
and didn't fully recover. Some of it is about Trump,
but it's going to be an interesting challenge because even
if the number of people going to the towns theoretically

(42:32):
visiting the towns is the same, typically the foreigners spend
a lot more.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
They save a bunch of money.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
They come, Maybe they stay in the fancy hotels, they
go out to dinner in Colorado. It could be a
day tripper who goes out and then comes back. It
could be somebody who finds a less expensive airbnb or vrbo.
But in general, the foreign tourists spend something like two
or three times more per day than the Americans do.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
So we'll see how this plays out.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
It's not like, you know, Veil or all these places
are in some kind of disaster, but it's not growing
they would the way they would like it to grow.
So well, we'll see what they do. I don't really
have more to add to it. I don't know anything
about the hotel business. We'll see how they react. The
one thing that seems clear is so far, at least

(43:21):
the price of stuff out there, like the price of
hotels and all, is not going down.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
So you know.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Until that starts happening, I don't think we can say
they have an enormous problem.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
I'm still stan is that Elton John? No? No, sing
that again. I'm not quite sure I'm picking it up,
dude again.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
No, you're just trying to make fun of me because
I'm a bad singer. I know what's going on. I
know what's going on here. Never, what are you talking about?
It's elt Isn't that Elton John? And I don't even
like Elton John. But since I'm still standing, I thought
you would have noticed that, and then you would have bumped.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
In with that. But I'm glad. I'm actually glad you.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Didn't because it's Elton John, who's not as bad as
What's Face. But by the way, that What's Face Neil Young.
Neil Young is playing at Fiddler's Green soon. And when
Fiddler's Green is going real loud, I can hear it
from my house.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
So you're hoping fingers crossed.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
I just don't know if I'm going to break out
in hives. I think that show is coming up in
a couple of weeks. You want to go if I
can get his tickets?

Speaker 1 (44:27):
If you go, I'll go. I'm not going. If you go,
I'll go.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Can you imagine if I went to a Neil Young concert?

Speaker 1 (44:34):
I love that so much?

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Wait, hang on, this would really this would be very funny. Actually,
this would be very very for here. Let's look this up.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
This is because, by the way, Dragon, before you got here, yeah,
I was.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
I started the show bye by explicitly saying I'm looking
forward to doing a very semi.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Professional show today. Well, that's what we do, that's what
we do.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
But I was really like emphasizing the semi right, and
so let's see what we got here.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
This would be.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
You want to get like a boxing Monday, Monday September first,
Monday September first?

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Should I try?

Speaker 6 (45:17):
And Fiddler shows aren't too bad because they've got to
be done at ten unless the band and the venue
want to pay that fine. So Neil Young, he's got
some money, he may be okay paying that fine, go toll.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
If I could get a pair of tickets for that,
would you go with me?

Speaker 6 (45:30):
If you if you're going, yeah, I will go, Okay,
or I'll try.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
I will I'll try. In fact, here I'm gonna text.
I'm gonna text my guy right now. I'm gonna hear.
Let's see, I'm gonna I'm gonna do this, you know,
you dictate into the phone. I'm gonna say, any chance
for a pair for Neil Young on September first question Mark.

Speaker 6 (45:49):
Okay, so I just sent that to my to my guy.
So I'm sure they'll still have a bunch of green tickets.
But I don't know if I want to go to
the all right, I'll let you know if they got
if they got actual seats, sure.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah, I'll let you know. So that would be really funny.
I mean, I'll have to bring like cotton swabs, there's
something to catch to dab the blood that will be
coming out of my ears if we go see Neil Young.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
But that would be your protection than when you go
to the gun Ring. That would be that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
for sure.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Congratulations to Tracy and Nick for winning the tickets.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
To the Shaw Classic.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Also would like to offer a little bit of particular
abuse for Kevin, who would have won the tickets that
he was trying to win, except that he broke our
rules against texting in more than once. Whenever you text
in to win something on The Dragon, Redbeard and Ross
Kaminski Show, if you text in more than once in
that same contest.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
You could text another day for an aird thing, but
if you.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Text in more than once in that same attempt to
win that one thing, all of your texts are disqualified.
And Kevin would have won, but he didn't because he
texted in more than once, so he was so he
was disqualified. I am so so sorry for you, Kevin
or not. So I also want to let you know,

(47:13):
coming up a little over an hour from now, we're
gonna have Attorney General Phil Wiser on the show, Colorado
Attorney General who is also candidate for governor, and I'm
going to ask him, Hey, Phil, why have you seen
him to make a hobby out of suing the president?
That's what I'm gonna ask him, And so that'll be fun.
Let me do one minute on another little story here. So,
I've got a kid who loves playing online games, and

(47:34):
there's all different kinds of online games. Of course, lots
of them involved shooting people, and a part of me
just likes the idea of there being some kind of
game that's popular that doesn't necessarily involve murder in mayhem,
although murder and mayhem are plenty fun and I enjoy
them both as hobbies, but this is from the Associated press.

(47:56):
Whether it serves as a chill escape from the onslaught
of the real world or simple a way to beat
vacation doldrums.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
The viral a viral roadblocks game.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Roadblocks is generally aimed at younger kids about gardening has.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Become the surprise hit of the summer.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Grow a Garden, created by a sixteen year old in
a few days.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Has shattered records. Now listen to.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
This has shattered records for the most concurrent players of
any game in history, beating out video games that take
years and millions of dollars to develop, and there's no
one to shoot, fight, or race.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
If your last attempt at.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Cultivating vegetables was Farmville in twenty ten, don't worry. Your
tomatoes will grow even if you never water them. Grow
a Garden is as simple as its name suggests. Players
can fill a plot of land with plants and animals,
harvest and sell, trade, or steal each other's bounty. The
game is low stressed, with an esthetic reminiscent of Minecraft
and a soundtrack of soothing classical tombs tunes like Mozart's

(48:55):
Rondo a la Turca playing in the background and let
me just skip ahead because in the interested time, I
just wanted to find some of these numbers coincidence or
not grow a garden Sword to popularity. Around the same
time that Take two Interactive announced it would delay the
launch of Grand Theft Auto six until next year. In
late June, the Gardening Game logged twenty one point six

(49:19):
million concurrent players twenty one point six million people playing
it at the same time, far surpassing the previous record
of Fortnite at fifteen point two million. That is a
fabulous story. It doesn't mean very good. It's the very
famous Neil Young song. I never said that was I
knew who it was, Dreed. That's why you had to

(49:42):
look it up.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
I just was.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Confirming, Sure, yeah, of course, I'm sure You've seen the
listener texts and a bunch of people have said the
same thing. So if you're just joining, here's what happens.
My wife texted me and said, hey, Mountjoy is playing
at Fiddler's Green next Friday. Next Yeah, next Friday. Do
you think you could get some tickets? And I said,

(50:04):
I'll check. And then we started looking at this stuff
and I noticed that Neil Young is playing on September first,
and then I don't know.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
This thing came up and then Dragon and I.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Are like, okay, if I can get tickets, So I'm asking,
I'm seeing if I can get some tickets to Neil
Young and I will go. But just to understand, and
I like, this is one of the fun things about
this job is we're really all friends here, right, we
really get to know each other.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
And so we've had now multiple.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Listeners text in Ross, does that mean you're gonna eat
blue cheese and bell peppers?

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Ross? Does that mean you're gonna wash your legs? Right?

Speaker 2 (50:41):
So it's kind of like I feel like I've thrown
people for a loop, a little bit like I'm doing
something that they never could possibly have imagined I would do,
and neither could I.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Right.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
But on the other hand, the other day I did get,
you know, the number one hundred carved into my hair
for our Koa's one hundredth birthday before doing my my
my hair restoration with advanced hair. So I don't know,
I just throw caution to the wind these days.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
For Ross. Maybe it's early on set dementia. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
I mean, you it probably okay, So one more thing, Dragon,
I'm sorry, I'm not letting you get get a word in.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
But you know, I was.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Nobody in the Koa world knows more about music than
Chad Bower, right, Chad agreed. And I was just talking
with Chad Bauer and and I just told him like,
I'm going to try to get tickets to Neil Young.
And he said, isn't he one hundred years old? He's bad?

(51:38):
And I said, I know, that's kind of the that's
kind of the point at this point.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
That's that's kind of the point. All right, I'm sorry
to interrupt you.

Speaker 6 (51:46):
Well I did you did tell me who you asked
for those tickets? And it's not the usual guy that
we ask around here for tickets.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
No, I didn't ask anybody at iHeart.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
So you know, if you'd ask the guy from my heart,
I'm sure he'd be more than happy to get you tickets.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Oh yeah, I didn't. Yeah, no doubt. He's got the
box seat. What kind of seats do you think? I heeart,
it's probably just got lawn.

Speaker 6 (52:10):
Okay, No, we're not gonna go on just the just
the lawn.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
We're above that, Yeah, you are, anyway, And I wouldn't
want to be dragging you down.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Okay, so we're.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Gonna see but no, I'm not gonna eat blue cheese.
I'm not gonna eat pelle pepper. You know, every once
in a while you get out in the garden, you
get a little dirty and you have to wash your legs.
So it happens. Is there's not a moral problem washing
your legs. It's just sort of a waste of time
most of the time. It's not a sin like blue cheese.
Let's not confuse them. These are very different categories of things.

Speaker 6 (52:43):
What and Brookick I just wanted to jump back to.
Also the apparently this guy wants the rule named after him.
You have no double texting during.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, so I think I think we can abide by
his request.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
I think we should call it if we remember. I
think we should call it to Kevin Hills.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
From now on, I will note again congratulations to Tracy
and Nick for winning the tickets to the Shaw Classic.
And as long as they gave us free tickets to
give listeners, I'll give them another free mention. Theshaw Classic
dot Com up in Loveland next Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
Friday evening is going to be the most insane arm

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wrestling contest you've ever seen in your life. And then
Saturday and Sunday is going to be strongman stuff with
the main events in the afternoons. And if you go
to vshaw Classic dot com you can.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Get tickets there and see what it's all about.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
And actually, I don't know anything about that.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
World, but it actually looks like a ton of fun.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
And Brian Shaw was just a pleasure to talk to
and meet yesterday, just a very very friendly guy. Slightly larger. Well,
I want to get this right. I want to be
very very precise here. Okay, I was gonna say he's
bigger than a house, right, but so we're remodeling this
house a house, Well, we're remodeling this house, and we're

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adding some square footage to the house. So I would
say that Brian Shaw is probably bigger than the house
before we remodel it, and a little smaller than the
house after we remodel it, because we're adding another bedroom.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
That's probably pretty so.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Somewhere in there, six' eight three eighty five and did
not look like he had announced a fat on.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Him that's his, Skinnyweight.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
That's, yeah that was his. Skinnyweight we talked about that.
Yesterday he competed at four fifty or can you? Imagine
so the dude. Is the dude is a little less
than a foot taller THAN i am and more than
double my.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Weight.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Wow, Anyway Vshaw classic dot. Com have we wasted enough?

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Time one more? Thing?

Speaker 5 (54:53):
There?

Speaker 6 (54:54):
TIME i wouldn't have known about The Neil young concert
At The's green On september first without your.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Promotion oh, Thanks well are you going to? Go whoever you?
Are are you gonna? Go that would be that would be. Good,
gosh so many people asking If i'm.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Gonna wash my? Legs oh, gosh all, RIGHT i want
to follow up on a couple of things.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Here i'm really, torn dragging between wasting more time and,
not But i'll.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Do some other. Things SO i saw this story this.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Morning this is over At National review headline trump orders
NEW us census that excludes illegal, Immigrants And i'll just
read a little bit from the. Article President Donald trump
has directed The Commerce department to conduct a new census
that excludes illegal immigrants from its population. Count quoting From
trump now from a Truth social, POST i have instructed

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Our department Of commerce to immediately begin work on a
new and highly accurate census based on modern day facts and,
figures and, importantly using the results in information gained from
the presidential election of twenty. Fourteen trump, said people who
are in our country illegally will not be counted in the.
Census SO i have a couple things to say about. This,
FIRST i really don't know what the results and information

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gained from the presidential election even means in this, context.
RIGHT i don't see why that has anything ever to
do with a.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Census But i'll move on from. THAT i just found
that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Odd so now let me get to the two main,
points the pro and the con of.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
This the pro IS i share the.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
ASPIRATION i absolutely share the aspiration that illegal aliens should
not count towards congressional. Representation illegal aliens cannot vote in federal.
Elections some places do let illegal aliens vote in local
and municipal. Elections the federal government is not in control of,
that so they can do it if they.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Want but you have.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
To be a citizen to vote in federal, elections AND
i believe that you should be A i believe that
members Of congress should be representing the people who are
allowed to vote for. Them to put it, simply, OKAY
i also don't want illegal aliens voting for politicians who

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promise to do things or give things to illegal. Aliens and,
again it is not BECAUSE i have anything against illegal
aliens as human. Beings it's BECAUSE i want government to
operate the proper WAY i don't. WANT i, MEAN i
don't even like redistribution of income to other, citizens, RIGHT
i certainly don't want redistribution of income or wealth or

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anything else to illegal. Aliens AND i think even Most democrats.
Don't SO i actually share the aspiration of not having
illegal immigrants.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Counted, imagine by.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
The, way how many Fewer democrat members Of congress there
would be From, california in, particular if illegal aliens were
not counted in the. Census SO i Share trump's goal full.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Stop but here's the Con this is clearly, illegal and here's.
Why here's.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Why The United States, constitution in different parts of The,
constitution sometimes uses the word persons and sometimes uses the word.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Citizens the founders were aware of the.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Difference, now we did not have a big immigrant, population
much that there wasn't even.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
A concept of any illegal immigrant.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Population at the, time so there was not really much
thought of. That but, nevertheless the founders knew the difference between,
citizen which is a subset of, persons and all.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Persons and in.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
The part of The constitution where it says that there
shall be a, census it says according to the state's
respective numbers of. Persons and as much As trump might
want to, say you can't count we won't count illegal

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aliens in the.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
CENSUS i BELIEVE.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
I could be, wrong And i'd actually be happy to
be proved wrong in this. Case BUT i believe that
it's an open and, shut slam dunk case that What
trump is.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Ordering here is.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Illegal or let me be even more, precise he can
do whatever he wants with something that he's calling a,
CENSUS i, guess but it cannot be the, census the
census that is used to draw congressional. Districts if he
wants to have The department Of commerce go count up
people and call, it you, know a, census or whatever

(01:00:00):
whatever he wants to call, it call it the honest,
census call it the citizen, census called, whatever he can
go do that he can spend the millions and millions
of dollars to go count. People he can try to
go count people and exclude illegal.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Aliens he's welcome to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Try and then he, could even as a political, point
really compare that to the actual census that attempts to
enumerate everybody more or, less and compare them and, say,
look look how many Fewer democrats there would, be or

(01:00:36):
or even separate from Just democrat Versus, republican you could
make a strong argument that states with large illegal alien
populations would have fewer members Of, congress regardless of whether
they Are democrat Or. Republican So california might have three or.
Whatever i'm just making up a number fewer members Of
congress if illegal aliens weren't, counted And trump could show

(01:00:59):
the things and, say, look this is what it, is
this is what we think it should. Be but my
point is THAT i think that What, trump If trump's
goal is to use this to redraw congressional maps or or,
reallocate reapportion that's What i'm looking, for reapportion the members

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Of congress among the various.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
STATES i think it's obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Illegal AND i THINK i think the very first court
and every other court that hears, it the very lowest
federal court all the way up to the very highest
federal court will strike it down in about five.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Minutes that's my.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Guess and you, know, AGAIN i don't say this very
often on this, stuff BUT i Hope i'm.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Wrong BECAUSE i think the goal is actually. Fine all.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
RIGHT i have a kind of creepy not not as
creepy as it could, be update on this capital punishment
thing In tennessee THAT i mentioned to you the other,
day plus a piece of the story THAT i really
didn't know about that goes outside of the. Creepiness BUT
i shared with you a story of a guy Named
Byron black who murdered his girlfriend and his girlfriend's two.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Young daughters in the nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Eighties he was executed In tennessee a couple of days
ago in the. Morning ten forty three am was the
time of. Death and what was kind of interesting about that.
Story AND i say interesting not in a way that
makes me. Happy it's a little it's a, little a little.

(01:02:35):
Creepy in any, case he was put to death by lethal.
Injection of, course lethal injection is supposed to slow and
then stop your. Heart and this, guy because he's been
in frail health for a. While had an implanted defibrillator
put in his chest about a year, ago and so
the fear was that the drugs would stop his heart

(01:02:57):
and then this thing would keep shocking. Him he keeps
starting his. Heart now it. Doesn't it's hard.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
To tell if that. Happened it's not what these things.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Are not like the pedals that you see on a you,
know a television show with the paramedics and they say
clear and you, know charge clear and then blam and
then the Body jert's not like. That it's a small
thing you you really wouldn't see because it's it doesn't
have to go through all that stuff to get to the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Heart it's in there. Already it's a small.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Thing so you, know what we heard was at some
point when he probably the dude probably should have been unconscious.
Already he was lying there on the gurney and his
hands and his chest are strapped, down and he, said,
oh it's hurting so. Bad and his spiritual advisor was
in there with, him and the spiritual advisor, Said i'm so.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Sorry just listen to my. Voice in any, case he.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Died he is sixty nine years, old been in a
wheelchair a long time has, dementia brain, damage kidney, failure
congestive heart, failure and other. Conditions so WHEN i shared
the story with you to begin, with it was BECAUSE
i actually thought the question of trying to execute a
guy by stopping his heart when he's got an implanted

(01:04:15):
defibrillator actually does raise a sort of interesting constitutional.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Question is that cruel and unusual?

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Punishment and there was some early discussion where the state had,
claimed The state Of tennessee had claimed that the hospital
that implanted the defibrillator had said that if the state
brings him the, guy they'll deactivate the defibrillator so we
won't have this. Problem and then the hospital, said, oh,

(01:04:41):
no we never said. That we're, doctors we save. Lives
we're not doing. That we're not participating in an. Execution
and then the state, said, oh we were. Wrong the
state didn't say the hospital changed their. Mind the state
said we were. Wrong the hospital never said they would do. That,
oh it turned out that was never an, option and

(01:05:01):
they were going to do it this, way and they
tried to get courts to, intervene and the courts didn't,
intervene and then they went ahead with. It so that
was basically EVERYTHING i knew, before and THEN i was
reading a little more about it BECAUSE i wanted to
see with a little bit of puritan, interest like just
how creepy was this and was the guy you, know,
LIKE i don't spasming on the table or. Whatever it

(01:05:23):
doesn't seem like that. Happened BUT i learned something else
THAT i didn't, know and THAT i do think is
actually a rather interesting, story and again from a constitutional,
perspective and that is that this guy seems to be
or have, been severely mentally.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Disabled and let me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Just share some of this with. You this is from
The Nashville. Banner, again this guy was In. Tennessee in
the decades since Mister black was sentenced to, death attorneys
representing him have continued to compile evidence to back up
the first impression of who is this guy of an

(01:06:11):
attorney who was involved with his case that multiple, tests
now multiple tests administered to this guy after he was,
convicted administered in, prison administered to him between nineteen ninety
three and twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
One have found HIS iq to be below.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Seventy, okay, seventy now seventy is not you, know someone
you'd say he's a, dummy, right seventy is really really
significant development?

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Disability.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Right they say that he showed his cognitive and developmental
deficiencies from an early. Age he was found to be let's,
see as a, kid he was found to be in
the second person tile in math, scores and you could
probably get the second percentile in math scores by guessing
randomly on a math, test or right fourth percentile in.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Reading and at.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
His most recent, evaluation AND i don't know when that,
was but at his most recent evaluation he could not
make change for a five dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Bill. Hm, wow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Less than two weeks from his. Date, well this story
is a little before, then but he is in what
some call a constitutional. Catch twenty, two after decisions from
The Tennessee Supreme court in two thousand and one and
THE Us Supreme court in two thousand and two established
that the execution of intellectually disabled people was, unconstitutional mister

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blackfiled new legal challenges to his death, sentence and those
claims were.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Rejected almost twenty years.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Later in twenty twenty, One tennessee lawmakers approved an amendment
to the state's intellectual Disability, statute updating the definition of that.
Condition and the legal procedure for determining. It still fighting
On black's behalf in, court the attorney filed a new
challenge laying out the argument for why he qualified as
intellectually disabled and thus uneligible for the death penalty under

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the new standards adopted by the, state and that was
again denied after the trial court and an appeals court
ruled that the law didn't apply to him because his
disability claim had previously been.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Adjudicated so, basically if.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
This guy had been brought to trial under the current,
rules he likely would have been found unfit to stand,
trial and he would have just been put in some
kind of institution for the rest of his. Life and
by the, way the guy is so, sick he probably
would have died very very soon anyway if they didn't kill.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Him BUT i think it's a very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
CASE i really do the idea that you're going to
execute someone now, who if he came to trial, now
would have gotten institutionalization rather than the death. Penalty AND
i say this as someone who there's no claim that
this guy's, innocent, Okay and So i'm not making a
generic argument against the death penalty.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Here there's no.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Claim that he's, innocent probably based on the. Crimes he
deserved to, die AND i don't have a moral problem
with the government killing someone who deserves to. Die you,
Know the other question about whether you can rely on
the government to get it right as a different question
for another, Day BUT i do think that separate from
what originally attracted me to notice this case about that implanted,

(01:09:38):
defibrillator the fact that they executed a guy with AN
iq below seventy is really interesting And i'm not sure it's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Great would you please tell us about.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
The smart listener text THAT i went to verify on
CHAT gpt in the context of what we were talking
about in the last segment of the show with the
man who was executed In, tennessee lethal injection intended to
stop his heart while he had an implanted, defibrillator and
there was question about whether the implanted defibrillator would keep
restarting his heart and create something that was almost like

(01:10:11):
torture for the, guy and a listener sent in a
text about.

Speaker 6 (01:10:14):
It well that led me down thinking, too it's, like,
well how long does the heart not have to beat
in order for him to be considered? Dead so if
it's like a minute or two and then the defibrillator
kicked in and brought him back to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
Life, well he served his, sentence so does he go?

Speaker 6 (01:10:27):
Free so it was like, THAT i don't know where
my head's just going crazy and all that kind of.
Stuff SO i don't know what the legality behind all
that stuff. Is but this incredibly smart listener email or
texted in and, SAID i have an implanted. Defibrillator and
the way my doctor explained it to me is that
if my heart, stops the device doesn't do. Anything it
monitors for irregular heart beats and will deliver a shock

(01:10:48):
to restore a regular.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Heartbeat AND i went to CHAT. GPT i believe the
listener because he's got, one and CHAT gpt said the
exact same thing the listener. Did very, interesting, Right i'll
just READCHAT gpt even though it's basically the. Same And
an implanted, defibrillator also known as an implantable cardioverter DEFIBRILLATOR,
icd is designed to detect incorrect dangerous, arrhythmius particularly ventricular

(01:11:14):
attactic cardia and ventricular. Fibrillation it does not restart a
heart that has completely. Stopped these. Things they monitor the heart,
rhythm and if they detect life threatening fast rhythms LIKE
vf or PULSELESS, vt which can lead to heart, attacks

(01:11:35):
they shock the, heart intending to reset the electric the
electrical activity of the heart to get it back onto
a normal heart. Rhythm and what, so WHAT i was,
doing WHAT i was doing in my, mind AND i
think is probably. UNDERSTANDABLE i might be a, moron BUT
i don't Think i'm a moron forgetting this part. Wrong
BUT i was kind of confusing it with, uh with a, pacemaker, ah,

(01:12:01):
right with a, pacemaker which which can really get a
heart going, Anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
So thank you listener for.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
That you informed us much better than we were previously,
informed which is a very low. Bar we don't know
much about around, here BUT i very, MUCH i very
much appreciate.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
It let me mention a real estate, thing you. Know
i'm fascinated with the wait what oh, yeah this? Nature
YEAH i did this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Squirrel all, Right, look we all, remember in, FACT i
remember we all includes. Me we all remember that one
teacher who made a, difference who believed in, us who challenged,
us who who made learning.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Fun actually remember a couple of teachers like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
That and now is your chance to say thank you
With iHeartRadio's Thank You, teacher powered by Donors, Choose and
what we're looking for, here just to be, clear like
When i'm thinking about my literally my third grade, teacher,
right she's long, retired, Right so what we're talking was
people who are teaching right, now and maybe they taught
you when they're still teaching right, now maybe they're teaching your,

(01:13:02):
kids maybe you know them some other. Way but what
you do is you nominate an outstanding public school teacher
who's gone above and beyond for their, students and the
winner is gonna get five thousand dollars to stack. THEIRS
i keep saying, stack but it's really.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Stock but if you're getting, books you could stack, them or?

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Legos what else could you stack in the? Classroom dragon, pencils? Pence,
really how would you stack a little?

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Pyramid? Wow think of all.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
The things you could stack with five thousand dollars for this. Teacher, seriously,
though you want to the, Teachers, actually lots of teachers
spend lots of their own money getting stuff for their,
Classrooms and wouldn't it be awesome to reward a teacher
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i'm sure for the parents as, well with five thousand

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slash teachers and nominate iHeartRadio dot com slash. TEACH i
want to do a very random, Thing. Dragon this is super,
random absolutely out of.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Nowhere so.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Uh the other day at Our iHeart one hundredth birthday,
party WHERE i had the number one hundred being the
only hair on the back of my.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Head one zero zero was all that was, THERE.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
I met for the first time an awesome famous radio,
Dude Mark, stout AND i had never Met Mark stout.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
BEFORE i am aware that he listens to the show
from time to. TIME i think quite frequently.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Too, yeah and he texts in and he's been around
sports radio a, lot but he's done a lot of
other radio as well as his music.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
RADIO i think he's a musician and rockies.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Television so he's he's everywhere and a very interesting, Dude Mark,
stout and so it only came to my attention somewhat
recently that he listens to the show that he likes the.
Show i'm very grateful for. That people like that their
opinions matter to me a. Lot AND i guess he
also follows me On. Twitter and last in the middle

(01:15:10):
of last football, Season, dragon there was a Game broncos
Against Cleveland, browns AND i don't even remember the final,
score BUT i posted something On twitter and here here's
WHAT i.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
Posted and this was the day.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
AFTER i, said thinking about The broncos game last, NIGHT
i wonder what THE nfl record is for the most
combined yards and two consecutive offensive plays last. NIGHT i
think it was one hundred and sixty four yards ninety
four yards for The broncos in one, play, right and
then seventy yards for The browns in their neck in

(01:15:50):
back to back. Plays and THEN i, SAID i wouldn't
be surprised if there had been a few longer if
you count kickoff, returns BUT i was trying not to
if you count kickoff returns like a long return after
a long, Touchdown but one hundred and sixty four yards
in two plays sounds like a lot to. Me AND

(01:16:11):
i never got an answer on that until UNTIL i
Saw Mark stout at The koa one hundredth birthday, party
and he pulled this piece of paper out of his
pocket and he, Said i've got some friends at an
outfit called Sport, radar AND i showed them your, question
and here's what we got. Back so here's what they say,

(01:16:31):
is you, know if you're not a sports, fan just
bear with.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Me we can check combined yards on back to back.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Scrimmage PLAYS td or NO td since nineteen ninety, one
since then nineteen ninety, one one hundred and sixty three.
Yards AND i thought it was one hundred and sixty
four in The Browns broncos. GAME i had one of
those plays wrong by a yard or they adjusted it
later in the, statistics so it was one hundred and sixty.
Three but since nineteen ninety, one that one hundred and

(01:16:58):
sixty three yards on back to back scrimmage plays was the.
Most and then they, said we can check all time
for combined yards on back to back scrimmage, plays but
only when they were both, touchdowns because those were the
records that were kept back.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
Then they didn't keep a record of every.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Play and so the one hundred and sixty three yards
on two plays that WAS i was asking about was
was the. Most sense there were one hundred and sixty
eight yards on back to back touchdowns in a Game
september of nineteen sixty. Two that was also A broncos,

(01:17:38):
Game Broncos. Patriots so The broncos ninety seven yard touchdown
pass from someone Named shaw to someone Named tartarr and
then The patriots the next, play the next, play not
counting the kickoff to a seventy one yard rushing touchdown
by someone Named.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
King so there you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Go so a little bit of sports, trivia a little
bit of sports, history and a big thank you shout
out To Mark stout for listening to the show and
take in the effort to go ask some expert about my.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Question that was pretty. Cool we'll be right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Back, okay this listener, says there's one hundred and eighty
nine yards and back to back touchdown Plays december thirty,
first nineteen sixty. Six, WELL I i don't, huh all right,
Anyway So i'm really really looking forward to wasting more.
Time we're going to do more of that. Tomorrow i'm

(01:18:40):
going to talk about a few things, here and then
when we come back in the following, segment we're going
to Have Colorado Attorney General Phil wiser on the, show
And i'm going to ask him why he spends so
much of his time Suing Donald. Trump ALTHOUGH i know
the answer pretty, WELL i want to just briefly come
back to a TOPIC i mentioned earlier in the show
because it's, important even though it's a little. Nerdy and,

(01:19:03):
yesterday so, yesterday the governor announced that there's going to
be a special session of the state legislature starting two
weeks from.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Today and the idea there is that the.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
State, budget which they were talking about being something like
a billion dollars, underwater a billion dollars short because of
less revenue coming from the federal. Government now they're talking
about something just under eight hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
Million it's still a lot of. Money but WHAT i.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Wanted to share with, you WHEN i wanted to make
sure you, understand is that you, KNOW i was hoping
that they would go cut eight hundred million dollars of
spending our, government our state government has grown much too,
much much too, fast much too, expensive and we should
cut it a. Lot and as the as The Denver post,

(01:19:52):
notes this is a pretty big, number four and a
half percent of the state's general fund. Budget and you,
KNOW i will BE i will be, HONEST i will
be fair about. This it is is harder than it
sounds to cut close to five percent of of a
serious budget all at. Once right a giant corporation or a,

(01:20:12):
government it would be, easier but still not necessarily easy
to immediately cut five percent out of your own household
budget for next. Year but you don't have as many
things that you have promised and contracted to.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Do so it's. Difficult it's it's. Difficult now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
They're going to look for a few hundred million dollars
out of the states previously projected surplus to end up
saying that they need to come up with just under
eight hundred million, dollars just like one point one. Billion
but they're going to have a surplus of three hundred
millions that they're short eight hundred. Million and LIKE i,

(01:20:53):
SAID i was hoping that they would just go cut
eight hundred million dollars in, spending but it looks like
it looks like they're not going. To and it looks
like the governor is going to go propose a bunch
of different sorts of tax, hikes not raising the income tax,
rate but doing things like limiting deductions for this person

(01:21:14):
or that business and various kind and removing certain business
exemptions and things like that to raise a few hundred
million dollars in new taxes and then get another a
few hundred million dollars out of the state's reserve, fund
and then cutting only two hundred million dollars in. Spending

(01:21:38):
now to be, fair even though they need let's say
a billion dollars this coming, year they only need half a,
billion probably because the cuts are much bigger in the first.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Year they're like one time cuts in the.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
First, year so actually the cuts are smaller the year
after that for a while until the medicaid stuff, Happens
but still you're gonna need five hundred. Million so really
what they're looking at is three hundred million a year
in new, taxes two hundred million a year in cuts
in reduced spending that would cover like the subsequent, years

(01:22:11):
and for the extra three hundred million that's for the
first year only taking it out of our.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Reserves and you, KNOW i.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Understand that the concept of using some from reserves if
you're pretty sure that the cuts will.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Be smaller the following.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Year BUT i am really really not, happy although also not,
surprised that they're going to look to do more raising
taxes than to cut spending when really the problem In,
colorado with this, government with this, governor with this, legislature
is far far too, much, spending far too, much lack of,

(01:22:46):
discipline far too much buying people's votes with other people's.
Money that's what they need to, cut and they're just
not going to cut very much of. It and since
The Attorney general is a friend of, MINE i probably
could have prevailed upon him over a bourbon or two
to indict you for something if you had Played Neil

(01:23:07):
young again during my, show because that's clearly a violation
of some like an international torture statute or.

Speaker 6 (01:23:14):
Something it's going to be at least once a day
here on out to the. Concert i've got to get you.
INOCULATED i don't even know if we're going to get
tickets to the. Concert Phil wiser joins this joins the.
Show he Is Attorney general.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Of The state Of.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Colorado he is A democratic Governor democratic candidate for.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Governor he is an.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Attorney he has clerked For Ruth Bader ginsburg and has
taught as a professor of law and other such. Things
AND i will, note by way of caveat That phil
AND i are pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
Friends but that doesn't MEAN.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
I won't tell him WHEN i think he's got something,
wrong which is one of my favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Hobbies, Actually, Hi, phil.

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
How are you good to be?

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Here, yeah it's good to have. YOU i wanted to
start with a.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Question that's half sarcastic and half. Serious but it seems
like you're making something of a hobby of suing The trump.
Administration it seems like your new favorite thing to.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
Do AND i.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Would like to know how much of this is because
you really think they're doing it, wrong and how much
of this and this is a QUESTION i shouldn't ask
you in, public But i'm gonna ask you, anyway and
how much of this is because it's a political time
and and you're running for governor and you, know want
people to know who you.

Speaker 7 (01:24:27):
Are the POINT i would start with is my standard
is identical to what it was in the First trump.
Administration my standard is has the administration broken the law
in Harm?

Speaker 5 (01:24:42):
COLORADO i was The Training general for two.

Speaker 7 (01:24:44):
Years in the First trump, administration and a lot of
the CASES i got involved with actually were matters that
started BEFORE i took, office AND i joined, them like
a case against illegally handling the, census or a case
against undermining the protect for the.

Speaker 5 (01:25:00):
Dreamers we won both those cases The Supreme. Court they
started BEFORE i BECAME.

Speaker 7 (01:25:03):
Ag the total number cases In trump one THAT i
brought eleven as we are here today six months a
little bit more IN i brought thirty. THREE i don't
have a different. Standard and you can look at the
kawdasan article headline is so wise to sue The trump
adgistration thirty to three?

Speaker 5 (01:25:20):
Times he's mostly.

Speaker 7 (01:25:21):
Winning that scorecard actually is conservative against me on that.
Scorecard i'm not winning the tariff case even though we
want it at the district. Court it's just being. Stayed
why the Federal circuit looks at the tariff. CASE i
think we're gonna win at the circuit court, too based
on the oral. Arguments SO i would Say, ross if
you look at the Cases i'm, bringing my point Is

(01:25:41):
i'm bringing them BECAUSE i have to bring them to
defend the law and Protect. Colorado we can go through
all these funding cases education Funding, america or public health
funding and. More If i'll bring the, Cases colorado is
out money to which we're. Entitled, finally the politics will
be what they will. Be BUT i will see this.
Point there are two types of stances that we're seeing

(01:26:04):
related to The trump. Admistration some who are trying to
find their way to, accommodate to try to make, Nice
others who are, Saying i'm standing my, Ground i'm fighting for,
principles And i'm not going to give into it WHAT
i would use as a lawless bullying.

Speaker 5 (01:26:21):
Tactic all this stuff about withholding.

Speaker 7 (01:26:23):
Money it's not an option for the federal governm to,
SAY i know there's AN AmeriCorps. Program i'm just not
going to honor the. Law i'm going to do WHAT i.
Want that's Why i'm in. Court that's my. JOB i had.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
FORGOTTEN i want to follow up on something you just.
MENTIONED i had forgotten that there was a census. Case
and that's interesting in the context of today's. News AND
i don't know if you've seen it That Donald trump
announced today that he is going to have the he's
going to order The department Of commerce to go do
what he's calling a census without counting illegal. Aliens and

(01:26:58):
WHAT i said on my show earlier WHEN i was
talking about it, TODAY i, MEAN i, SAID i actually
share that, goal BUT i think every single level of
federal court will strike it down as unconstitutional within five,
minutes because the language of The constitution the way just
let me go for thirty. Seconds you're a better lawyer
THAN i. Am but in The, constitution the framers in

(01:27:21):
some places use the word persons and in other places
use the word.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
Citizens so they clearly know the, difference and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Then when it comes to the, census they talk.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
About persons not. Citizens SO i.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Think that What trump wants to, do even THOUGH i
actually share the, GOAL i think it's obviously.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Illegal but my question for, you since you mentioned, that
is this the same.

Speaker 5 (01:27:39):
Issue it's a different.

Speaker 7 (01:27:43):
Issue BUT i want to first lift up what you just,
said and it underscores my first.

Speaker 5 (01:27:48):
Answer the commitment.

Speaker 7 (01:27:51):
To offer due process of law to all persons is
what The Fourteenth amendment, says and exactly what you.

Speaker 5 (01:27:58):
SAID i remind people this all the. Time the clause.

Speaker 7 (01:28:00):
Right before the due process clause of The Fourteenth amendment
is known as The privileges And immunities clause that only
applies to. Citizens the framers of The Fourteenth amendment knew
the difference between citizens and. Persons they chose to commit
to provide due process of law and equal protection of
law to all. Persons that's the very important point you.

Speaker 5 (01:28:19):
Made as to the.

Speaker 7 (01:28:20):
Sentences the earlier case involved an effort to ask, people
is someone in your family here without legal? Authorization and
that question, was as our view put, it designed for mixed.
FAMILIES a lot of families have all sorts of different
people with different. Statuses it was designed to get someone

(01:28:42):
who might have two kids who are citizens and parents
who might have who knows what status not to answer
the census at. All that would lead to a deliberate
undercount of certain. Individuals and we argue that was a
violation of what you just put, it, well the framers
had in mind or the, census and we won that
case at The Supreme.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Court, Right, so, yeah you reminded me about, that AND
i agree with you actually about the motivation of that.
ONE i think the motivation of that one clearly was
was to depress.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Certain turnout in the.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Census let's get granular for a, second and maybe we'll
back out again later and talk, about you, know big
picture of your approach To. Trump but let's talk about a.
Lawsuit you mentioned The Colorado. Sun there's another, One. Colorado
another piece of The Colorado. Sun colorado jumps into lawsuit
AGAINST usda over demand for personal information OF snap recipients
and for those people who aren't involved in this. PROGRAM

(01:29:35):
snap is kind of the newer name for for food
stamps food.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Assistants what's this lawsuit.

Speaker 5 (01:29:40):
About we have a program In.

Speaker 7 (01:29:45):
Colorado we're given discretion to operate it where we'll give
out food. Assistance and one of the ways it works
is we have you, know distribution. Channels we know who
people are facing food and. Security and the chachallenge that
the federal government is now trying to do is to
force us to collect and give them all sorts of

(01:30:06):
data that's going to make it more difficult and more
expensive to operate the. Program there's not a statutory authorization
for them to do, this and they would be undermining
our ability to do this important. Work our question, is,
also by the, way if we were to give you the,
data would the data be private or would it actually

(01:30:28):
risk people's personal. Information there's a federal law called The Privacy.
Act the federal government has to follow, it and we
actually approached in this one the administration before the litigation,
happened and, said can we come up some protocols to
keep information? Private and we didn't get any, assurance and
we don't want to put people's information at. Risk this

(01:30:49):
is a related issue one another laws that we have
against The Treasury, department which involves personal information from people
held by THE, irs for, example bank account records or sociurity.
Numbers wanted access to it without proper, protections and we
fought that protecting people's private.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Information regarding The Colorado sun headline that you mentioned, first
and it Says colorado's attorney general has Sued trump thirty
three times since. Inauguration so far he's mostly. Won, NOW
i want you to really give me a truly honest answer.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Here, okay it seems.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
To me and this is not about, you but about
how some of these cases on different, issues and you
might be pushing different issues separate from the Ones i'm
referring to. Here but there have been quite a few
cases where federal district courts jumped in On trump's, side
and then appeals courts or The Supreme court overturned the
lower court And trump ended up.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
Winning so if.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
You had looked at it early on and given some
kind of, scorecard you would say The states are Beating.
Trump but when you looked at the final, Score trump
is beating The states on those whatever those. Are so
of this stuff that you're suing, on you, know how
much do you think you're? Winning because you've got, early
maybe left leaning courts that are likely to get overturned

(01:32:07):
by a higher level.

Speaker 5 (01:32:08):
Court so there are a lot of possible. Responses let
me start with.

Speaker 7 (01:32:15):
One In, may the cases that we brought where we're
winning The trump administration is basically a seating that we're.

Speaker 5 (01:32:23):
Right they're basically.

Speaker 7 (01:32:25):
Yielding and this is an important point for our recent education.

Speaker 5 (01:32:31):
CASE i was in Western.

Speaker 7 (01:32:32):
Colorado a superintendent of a school district, SAYS i can't
believe what's.

Speaker 5 (01:32:35):
Happening he's the one who told me about.

Speaker 7 (01:32:37):
This this money that's mandated that we rely, on that
we need our. Budget they just told me a two cents.
Email you're not getting. It we got to work literally
Over July firth. Weekend we filed the. Case they've now
totally said we were. Wrong obviously didn't use those, words
but that's the net. Effect we're giving you the. Money
so that's a, clear clear. Victory we've won. It whether

(01:32:58):
or not that is you would have ended up deferently
livingated The Supreme court we'll never, know BUT i will say,
this the principle of that, case like many other CASES
i mentioned this public health, case Is congress mandates. Funding
the executive branch has to give the money That congress.
Mandated they can't just withhold it for whatever reasons they might.
Have and if that's the principle of separation of, powers

(01:33:21):
that's correct in the education, case we're going to win
a whole bunch of cases on that principle. Alone second
Point i'll make if you look at this condissun, article
it's actually updated in real, time so it's not giving
me a score card based on my initial district court.

Speaker 5 (01:33:36):
Victories it's accounting for any subsequent.

Speaker 7 (01:33:38):
Developments the terror of CASE i mentioned is now at
The Federal. Circuit they could in, theory overall district court
that would be a.

Speaker 5 (01:33:46):
Loss the current score court.

Speaker 7 (01:33:48):
Has me losing that. CASE i believe we're going to
win that case to The Federal. Circuit and it's an
unfortunate technicality of the scorekeeper here saying that it's a
loss because there's a stay of the ruling we want
below The Federal.

Speaker 5 (01:34:03):
Circuit they asked the, question this.

Speaker 7 (01:34:04):
Is another basic issue we're litigating the law here says
the president can impose these terariffs under the law he
cites in emergency and extraordinary. Situations what actually is being
done by the president is across the board tariffs that
are not connected to an underlying emergency.

Speaker 5 (01:34:25):
Justication they're basically we can do whatever we.

Speaker 7 (01:34:28):
Want and at the oral, argument there was a question
asked of the government's, lawyers is your basic position that
there are no legal limits you have to follow and
the laws guardrails are.

Speaker 5 (01:34:40):
Irrelevant and the answer is basically, yes that's our.

Speaker 7 (01:34:42):
POSITION i don't see them winning that tariff, case so
we're not going to know until years out after these
cases go all the way up whether any victories we
have now are because of who the law courts happened to.
Be But i'll tell you when you look at the
principles we're relatigating and of the cases as they, PROGRESS
i believe that we are seeing legal principles vindicated that

(01:35:07):
are bread butter, ones and this administration losing again and
again because they didn't take the time on the front
end to actually ask whether whether they're final law or.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
Not we're talking With Phil, Weiser Attorney general of The
city Of colorado and candidate For governor Of colorado as.
Well let me just Say I'm i'm one hundred percent
with you on the tariff. CASE i think what he's
doing is illegal on everything that he is doing outside
of the specific sections where he's got specific authority based

(01:35:40):
on a specific set of, circumstances AND i think he's abusing.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
Those BUT i think he's across the.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Board tariffs on everybody are obviously, illegal AND i think
you're gonna win that, case AND i hope you're going
to win that. Case BUT i do have one more
question for you on that, case and that is how
do you have?

Speaker 7 (01:35:54):
Standing there's two theories of Stand for those who are not,
lawyers let me just explain standing means how do you
have an? Injury how are you affected so you have
a right to? Sue and there's two. Answers one is
the state Of, colorado as a buyer of goods is
directly affected by terroriffts that ARE i, legal and we

(01:36:17):
got to pay more for goods as a state because
these tariffs are jacking up. Prices, second there's a theory
that applies to me as an attorney.

Speaker 5 (01:36:25):
General The latin term is parent's.

Speaker 7 (01:36:27):
PATRIARI i have the ability to pursue cases on behalf
the people Of, colorado whether it's protecting our air, quality
whether it's protecting, consumers whether it's protecting.

Speaker 5 (01:36:39):
WORKERS i have this unique authority as.

Speaker 7 (01:36:42):
The state attorney general to sue on behalf of the
people Of colorado in this tariff.

Speaker 5 (01:36:46):
Case both theories give me standing to.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
SUE a couple of listener, questions how many cases did
you bring against The biden?

Speaker 7 (01:36:53):
ADMINISTRATION i think there are a couple that we brought
that were involving THE epa acting in ways that we
thought was unfair To.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Colorado, Okay i'll just ask my own. Question why wouldn't
you have brought a lawsuit if the principal is a lawless?
President why wouldn't you have Sued biden repeatedly for all
the illegal stuff he tried to do regarding student loan
Can he called a, cancelation but reassigning student loans from
the people who took them out to taxpayers was all obviously.

(01:37:25):
Illegal The Supreme court slapped him, down and then he
kept doing it, Again AND i would have expected you
to sue over, that because that was as wrong as
almost Anything trump is doing.

Speaker 5 (01:37:38):
The student loan.

Speaker 7 (01:37:39):
Case, actually your doctrine before you mentioned about standing.

Speaker 5 (01:37:44):
Was quite. Complicated.

Speaker 7 (01:37:46):
There there were people who had standing to sue there and.
Didn't and the theory by which The Supreme court found
standing in that case is pretty. SKETCHY i understand the
argument why that was. ILLEGAL i ultimately stayed out of that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:01):
Case the.

Speaker 7 (01:38:04):
Challenge is always going to be how much DO i
view this as harming and Affecting? Colorado and who was
harmed by that student law case in terms Of COLORADO'S
i think is a much trickier question than the tariff.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Case for, example you filed lawsuit Against Mason county on
this law enforcement thing where there was A i guess
a sheriff's deputy who community communicated information about a young
illegal alien woman who was pulled over for essentially a
non traffic a traffic enforcement the thing that she should
never have been pulled over for, anyway and it led

(01:38:38):
to a, whole huge. Mess just we got about four
minutes left just briefly explain what this lawsuit. Is and
NOW i see That Mason county is countersuing, you and
why are you only going After Mason?

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
County?

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Right some folks are, wondering why aren't, you you, know
going after The feds as well or.

Speaker 7 (01:38:55):
Others all, right there's a lot, there and AND i
am quite limited given as you note the amount of active.
Litigation WHAT i will provide by way of background Is
colorado has established a requirement that law enforcement In colorado
does law. Enforcement and the principle here is immigration enforcement

(01:39:20):
is a federal. Responsibility we don't want the federal government.

Speaker 5 (01:39:25):
Coercing us to do their.

Speaker 7 (01:39:27):
Job the federal, government by the, way has tried to
coerce us in the first. JUMPMINISTRATION i mentioned eleven. Suits
those are ones THAT i actually had to participate. In
one of those lawsuits was one that we had on our,
own and it was against The Justice department for withholding
law enforcement funds trying to Make colorda law enforcement do immigration,

(01:39:49):
enforcement which is something again that we don't do. Here
we want to make sure that our law does law.
Enforcement we don't have enough law enforcement officers in colar
to do law. Enforcement we want to make sure that
people In colwada KNOW cud of law enforcement is doing law,
enforcement not going to do immigration.

Speaker 5 (01:40:02):
Enforcement that's the.

Speaker 7 (01:40:03):
Requirement and WHAT i will say Is my job As
Attorney general is to make sure that requirement is. Enforced
will continue review facts that may come to, us and
to do that work and the best way we. Can
it is important that we continue to work to operate
under the rule of.

Speaker 5 (01:40:19):
LAW i take those responsibilities.

Speaker 7 (01:40:21):
Seriously and, again given that there is some actual litigation.

Speaker 5 (01:40:24):
HERE i can't get into some more of the.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
Specifics all, RIGHT i hate that story all the way.
Around that girl never should have been pulled. Over she
never should have been in that. SITUATION i don't think
the sheriff's deputy should have reported her in that signal.
Chat i'm not sure whether that signal chat should even.
Exist BUT i also don't know that he did anything,
wrong AND i guess maybe that's what this lawsuit is.

(01:40:46):
ABOUT i got time for one other issue with. You
colorado is one of multiple, states AND i actually have
Some republican friends who were involved in getting this, done
where quote unquote dreamers illegal aliens in this say To
colorado who meet certain qualifications can get in state tuition
At Colorado state.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
Universities and The.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Department Of justice has just, announced And i'll quote from
The Associated, press THE doj is suing states to end
tuition breaks for students without legal, residency starting With. Texas,
ACTUALLY i guess a couple of months. AGO i won't
name a bunch of other. States clearly we're going to
be on that list because we have that same thing going.
On AND i don't know if you've been served a lawsuit.
ALREADY i don't know if you can confirm or deny

(01:41:30):
if you. Have their, argument AS i understand it, is
you can't give an illegal alien something that citizens of
The United states can't.

Speaker 1 (01:41:37):
Get i'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
SURE i sort of get where they're coming, from BUT
i think it's a hard.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
Question, actually what's your take in is there a?

Speaker 5 (01:41:45):
Lawsuit their KNOWLEDGE dj is not Targeted.

Speaker 7 (01:41:51):
COLORADO i want to Highlight cowada's law is different than
some other. States there is no favoritism in our law
of those who are here who are have an alien
status as opposed to those who might, be as you put,
it out of State american. Citizens what color law does
is has a physical presence.

Speaker 5 (01:42:12):
Requirement it's not even a residency.

Speaker 7 (01:42:13):
Requirement it's a physical presence requirement for at least one
year before you complete the high school equivalency. Exam if
you do that or you're a present in you, know
in your president Of colorado for twelve months before you
enroll at whatever, constitution then you're eligible for this in state.
Tuition because of the way it's crafted as this physical residency,

(01:42:36):
REQUIREMENT i actually think it is different than some of
the laws you're referring to being, targeted AND i do
think our law is going to pass.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
Muster that's.

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
INTERESTING i wonder if it was drafted that way in
order to defend against this particular. Possibility in, FACT i
do think that came up at the. Time my vague
recollection is this did come up as a question at the,
time but you would probably know better THAN. I, NO.

Speaker 5 (01:42:59):
I wasn't involved at all when this was.

Speaker 7 (01:43:01):
Drafted i'm sure there were smart lawyers, consulted BUT i
didn't have any direct, involvement SO i don't know the
backstory on.

Speaker 5 (01:43:07):
THIS i do think you mentioned.

Speaker 7 (01:43:10):
Dreamers for, example one of the constitutional requirements from an
earlier case is that if children are here and they're,
undocumented that they are constitutionally required to get an, education
so they're not in some type of permanent. Underclass AND
i think there's an extension of that point that is
being honored here making sure people have access to higher
education as. Well it's a smart policy the way it's done.

(01:43:34):
HERE i do think it is going to withstand whatever
attack that THE dj might try to.

Speaker 5 (01:43:39):
Bring we'll see if they do bring it or, not
But i'm prepared to defend.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
It Phil wiseer Is Attorney general of the state Of.
Colorado he's a candidate for governor as.

Speaker 5 (01:43:46):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
PHIL i like to keep our political and legal conversation,
separate so we will do a political conversation some other.
DAY i wanted to focus on the law with you
today and your various lawsuits and all. That thank you
as always for making. Time i'm for, us and be.
PREPARED i may reach out to you requesting an indictment
of Producer dragon if he keeps Playing Neil young on the.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
Show you may need to look for some kind of torture.
Statues all, right thanks for something good to have. You
we'll take H we'll take. Well i'm done for. Today
you Got Christa kaefer in For Mandy connell.

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
Next keep it. HERE i have a wonderful rest of Your.
Thursday it's my favorite day of the. Week i'll talk
to you.

Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
Tomorrow