08-14-25 - *FULL SHOW* Arapahoe Sheriff; Bourbon Boom-Bust; Training Camp

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
So thanks to both of those.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Fine organizations and training camp is camp has not started today.
They're getting the field ready each morning. I see some
guys out there throwing what it looks like grass seed
out on baarer patches in the field that get torn
up during practice over the course of the day. But
in a little bit we'll start seeing some players, usually
a few players come out earlier than the rest, start

(00:32):
doing some of their early workouts, especially the young guys,
and then at some point the practice gets started in full.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I would just like to ask you a question.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
This is not a particularly important question, and maybe not
even potentially potentially not even the most important question of
the day, But has it ever happened to you that
you took a tube of chipstick out of your pocket
and took the cap off and realize that the top

(01:03):
quarter inch or whatever the chapstick stuck to the top
of the cap, and then what's left inside the tube
is all kind of ragged or dropped down inside the
tube a little bit, and then you've got to figure
out the best way to get all that stuff out
of the cap and jam it back into the tube
and then hope that it's solid enough that it doesn't
just come out again the next time, you know, I

(01:26):
cause I think I'm just trying to think of the physics.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Of all this, right, because that's the most important thing.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
And I think what happens is when the tube is
in your pocket, the little thingy at the bottom that
you turn to to move the chapstick up get, you know,
gets moved in your pocket, the chapstick moves up.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
In it and it sticks to the top of the tube.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
And then and the only reason I mentioned this to
you is that this is how I started my day
ten minutes ago before sitting down to talk with you
for the morning. So what I did was I found
a pen in my bag here that is that a
kind that has a cap that you can remove, and
it has the cap with a little long.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Point bit coming off the end of the cap.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
So I used that long pointy bit from the pen
cap to scrape the chapstick stuff out of the top
of the chapstick cap and then put it back down
into the tube and then compressed it down with my finger,
and now we're gonna hope that that works. Ay, Rod,
has that ever happened to you? Or do you have
absolutely no idea what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
I have not a clue. I do not believe that's happened.
But I I that was that was really well detailed.
Yet I'm so lost. Can you give me, like, what's
the prime what's this lowest prime number? What's the second
lowest prime number ever?

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Three? What's the next highest? Five?

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Keep going? What's like in this single? What's like in
the teen digits of prime numbers?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah? Eleven, thirteen, seventeen, and nineteen.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
K can you give me a thirteen second abbreviated version?
Whatever the heck you just talking about? No, I can't
because that was No. I think I wasted people. It's
enough time already.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
But here, look there's a tube of chapstick topy that okay,
And so what happened was I took the top off
and all of this chapstick go see in the tube?
Now was stuck up in the ala?

Speaker 2 (02:58):
That ass happened to me? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, So I had to figure out how to get
that out. And I used the top of a pen
and then I jammed it all back down in here.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
So here reuse it? You got to back up into there.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, yeah, So I turned this thing, you know, counterclockwise
to lower the chapstick down in. I crushed the stuff
in there, and then I pushed it down with my
finger to try to compress it a little bit.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
That sounds really unnecessary. So you have another chapstick? You
know what's actually that's a good question, because you know
what I found lately. Did this happen to you before
you got here? Yeah? Only, Yeah, it actually happened a
couple days ago. I had another one. I didn't fix
it until now. But here's the thing. There's free chapstick
everywhere these days.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
You going to the dentist's office, you go into lots
of different places that used to give away pens or whatever.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
They're giving away chapstick now.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
And I think I figured out why, because people always
carry around chapstick.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
If you go in and grab a pen, you're never
gonna look at it again.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
I've never had free chapstick offered to me or available.
Oh my gosh, where you going? Then? I'm not?

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
All right, I want you to text me at five
six six nine zero if you've ever gotten a free
chapstick somewhere.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
That's all.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
We're just starting the day a little bit dumb today,
but we're gonna get too serious stuff right now. Actually, Oh,
I forgot to get my iPad out so that I
can see what time it is, because as I'm broadcasting
remotely here, you know, I don't have a clock in
front of me, and I need to know the time.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Oh and it looks like my iPad battery died. That's lovely.
Any chance you have a USB C charger a rod,
I'd have to hunt around all right.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Anyway, let's talk a little bit about what's going on
with tomorrow's meeting, which is expected to be at about
one pm hour time, So just after my show between
United States President Donald J. Trump and Russian dictator and
president for life Vladimir Putin, they are meeting in Alaska

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in a somewhat hastily arranged meeting. And there are a
lot of small things to say about it. The overarching
thing is it is impossible and silly to try to
predict what's going to come out of this either the
same day, the next day, the next week, even the
next month.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
There is just no way to predict war is unpredictable.
Putin is unpredictable. Trump is unpredictable.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
There has hardly ever been a more unpredictable international situation
than this Right now, no way to know whether Putin
will will be convinced to engage in a ceasefire to
stop the war to whatever it might be. Donald Trump

(05:28):
has been pretty smart and done a pretty good job
as far as lowering.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Expectations for this meeting.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
He has said, look, this is just a meeting to
kind of feel each other out see whether a deal
might even theoretically be possible. Trump is making very clear
and correctly so, that there will not be an actual
deal to come out of this meeting.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Right If an actual deal.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Came out of this meeting, it would be one of
the most surprising things ever.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
So it's not very likely.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
The other thing that's been interesting though at one time.
At the same time the Trump is downplaying expectations for
this meeting, he's also warning of severe consequences to Russia
if Vladimir Putin doesn't get on.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Board to stop this war.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
I've said this many times over the course of not
just this Trump presidency, but the previous Trump presidency, and
that is Donald Trump doesn't believe in very many things deeply.
He's more of a goal oriented guy, and the goals
can change from time to time, but essentially he's willing

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to do anything that he thinks will achieve a goal.
But you also don't generally don't always know what the
goals are. All of this is very, very changeable. But
there are two things that Donald Trump has deeply believed
for a long time. One is he does not like
free trade, and the other is he does not like war.
And we'll talk about trade another time. I'm not with

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him on that, but I meyer the fact that Donald
Trump has so consistently, for so many years, for so
many decades, been anti war. He is clearly the most
anti war president of my lifetime and maybe of any
American's lifetime. So he also wants a Nobel Peace Prize

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and should be already in consideration for the Nobel Peace Prize.
You know, probably lots of Europeans, the types of people
who would vote on this thing, probably hate the guy.
But if somehow Donald Trump comes away with brokering some
kind of cessation of hostilities that's somewhat durable between Russia

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and Ukraine. It's hard to see how you could award
the Nobel Peace Prize to anybody else. I think this
is Trump's motivation. The other quick thing I will say
is it's hard to see exactly what Trump or anybody
else would threaten Vladimir Putin with that would cause him
to back off of this war, because Putin deeply believes

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that Ukraine should not exist as an independent country. He
believes that in his bones and his every bit. As
much as Trump wants his legacy to be a Nobel
Peace Prize, Putin wants his legacy to be the guy
who rebuilt Greater Russia by destroying Ukraine and making it
part of Russia. And it is not going to be

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easy to get him to back off. And it is
unclear to me at this point what anybody could.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Threaten Putin with that would make him stop.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
That said, I offer that with low confidence, because this
entire situation is so chaotic. We'll be right back on Koac.
You can hang out for a bit. We'll start in
like twelve minutes because I'm talking to other people about
other things. Now, all right, that's Tyler Brown, or Repo
County Sheriff, who's going to join me in the next
segment of the show, and we're going to talk about
lots and lots of things. Let me do one quick

(08:55):
nerdy economic thing with you, and that is today inflation report.
The report that normally gets the attention is called the
Consumer Price Index, and that came out yesterday and the
stock market loved it. It because the stock market took
yesterday's report where part of it was a little bit.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Better than expected.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
I won't get into the details, but part of it
was a little better than expected.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Part of it was a little bit worse than expected.
But in any case.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
The market kind of took that as a very high
likelihood that the FED will cut rates next month. And
by the way, I think that's right. I do think
the Fed is gonna cut rates next month, and I
think they should cut rates next month. And the Dow
was up quite a lot, four hundred and something points,
maybe closer to five hundred.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
I don't have the number in front of me. It
was a lot.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
The Dow's down modestly today, one hundred and thirty points
or something like that, you know, a third or less
than a third of what it gained yesterday. So it's
not like today is a really bad day. But I
just wanted to mention to you that today we got
the pursuit the producer price Index, and a lot of
times you'll see the producer price index, it's more like

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wholesale pricing.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
People are producing things for other businesses, and then those
other businesses sell them to consumers.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
The consumer stuff shows up in the CPI, but the
cost for businesses that are producing this stuff is very
important and tends to filter through the economy. I don't
want to read too much into any one report, but
today's Producer Price Index report was really bad. Economists that
estimated a zero point two percent gain, it came in

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zero point nine percent. It was the biggest monthly increase
in over three years, and excluding food and energy, it
was up zero point six percent, which was the biggest gain.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
In three and a half years.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
And I still think the FED is going to cut rates,
and I still think they should cut rates, but I
would just want to kind of warn folks a little bit.
But I think people have been looking back on the
trade chaos and the tariffs and all that that started
roughly around April and haven't seen too much effect on

(11:11):
prices over these three months, let's say, and I think
it's caused some people and perhaps the President as well,
to believe that tariffs are not going to cause prices
to go up, but they definitely are. There's no way
around it. Tariffs are going to cause prices to go up.
And this report we'll see if the next one looks similar,

(11:32):
but this report suggests that it's finally starting to come
through now. Companies were trying to absorb what they could,
but that can't last forever. And I suspect that we're
going to start seeing a little bit more upward pressure
on prices due to tariffs, and then we'll see how
the Trump administration reacts to that when it starts showing
up in the data. That said, again, even though I

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am absolutely convinced, because it has to be true that
tariffs will cause prices to go up in America, I
still think the Fed should cut and will cut next month,
because at four and a quarter to four and a
half percent FED funds rate, they're still too high even
if tariffs caused prices to go up for a while.

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So I just wanted to make sure we all understand that.
Let me take one minute and just talk to you
about a little random thing. I'm doing some randomness this morning.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
So the main airline that I fly.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
And try to accumulate frequent Flyer miles on and get
some kind of status so I can get a slightly
better seat or whatever is. United Airlines used to be Frontier,
but Frontier their customer service got so terrible.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
I just and they.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Started nickel and diming for everything. So now, especially if
you've got luggage and you want to pick your seat,
it's not quite as much as United, but close enough
to the price of United that I'd much rather just
fly on United.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
So anyway, I fly United and always.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Looking for ways to accumulate more frequent Flyer mile So
you know, they'll have some credit card where they partner
with restaurants and you go to a restaurant and you
get frequent Flyer miles.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
And stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
So I saw this other thing that they were doing,
and it's called the Opinion Miles Club.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
And this is a.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Thing where you go online and you answer a little
survey with a bunch of questions and then they give
you some miles and that's okay, that's fine, you know,
and click through stuff real fast and earn some miles
that way, and I went and did one, and I
just want to, you know, reflect on it just briefly.
So I went and did one and it was one

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they said is really really fast, and for them, this
is called Opinion Miles Club, and for them, real fast
is something that takes about five minutes or so, and
really five minutes answering an online survey about questions like
have you heard of Instagram? And do you think Instagram
does a sufficient job of protecting kids? Which is what

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the survey ended up being about five minutes of that
is a long time, and since it was what they
call a short survey, they gave me, wait for it, now,
twenty five frequent flyer miles. Now, I think of frequent
flyer miles as being worth about a penny each. If
you're very lucky, they're worth a penny and a half each,

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depending on how you use them.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
So let's be generous.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
And say that the frequent flyer miles that I earned
for doing that survey were worth somewhere in the neighborhood
of thirty five cents.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
It was probably less.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
It's probably more like twenty five to thirty cents, but
call it thirty five cents, So that was thirty five
cents for we'll call it five minutes of work. So
five minutes of work is a twelfth of an hour
thirty five cents times twelve.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
How much is that thirty five cents times twelve.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Three four dollars about four dollars an hour, So that
would be the equivalent of paying myself about four dollars
an hour. And I'm just not going to do it anymore.
It's ridiculous. I'm actually kind.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Of surprised that enough people will spend.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
That much time because most of these surveys are more
like ten minutes to get fifty frequent Flyer miles. So
it's ten minutes of your time to get fifty or
sixty or seventy cents worth of stuff. It's just kind
of nuts, But I guess enough people are willing to
do it that the program stays around. But anyway, for
me an opinion, Miles Opinion Miles Club, it was a

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short lived fling and it's over now. The Arapo County
Sheriff joins me. Next Happy Thursday, I'm ross coming to
you from Broncos Training Camp, Broncos Park, powered by Common
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Speaker 2 (15:42):
The Front Range and the people of Colorado. Thank you
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Speaker 1 (15:46):
My special guest sitting next to me is a Rapo
County Sheriff, Tyler Brown. And I've told this story before,
but I want to say it again, just you know,
in public one time. So the first time Tyler ran
for office, I supported the other guy. I didn't know Tyler.
The other guy had been around a long time, and Tyler,
although I consider him very much a moderate, is a Democrat.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
I'd never voted for a Democrat before.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
After his first term in the job, I thought that
Tyler Brown had done such a good job that he
earned my vote. And I thought to myself, if i
can't have someone able to earn my vote, then I'm
really not much of a voter, and I'm really not
much of a citizen.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
So in the next election, I voted for Tyler Brown.
It remains to this day the only time I've ever
voted for a Democrat for office, and I'm proud of
that vote.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
And Tyler has never let me down, and as far
as I can tell, he has never let down the
people of a Rappo County where I live. So I
know I've told that story once or maybe twice before, but.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
I just wanted to start with that.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
So Tyler, thanks for showing up in person here at
training Camp.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
I guess you get to just walk right in.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
I have to show all kinds of stuff, and you
just walk right in with the gun and the badge
and like here you are.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Well, yeah, well, thank you for that vote of confidence
in the election. I actually tout that as one of
the stories on the campaign trail. You know, I'm out
here earning people's votes, so I appreciate that. And you know,
Training Camp, the Broncos are such a great partner with
the Sheriff's office. You know, we kind of share a
campus between the courthouse and our headquarters facility and the

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detention facility, and they're just great partners and we have
a great relationship.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
So yeah, they let us come in.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
They let our deputies park in their parking lot at
night to write reports in a safe, secure area. So
they're definitely a big supporter of our agency and law
enforcement in general.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
We've got lots of things to talk about, so we'll
just do them in no particular order. But one thing
that I know is on your mind, and I was
well aware of this because I live and vote in
a Rapo County.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Is ballot Measure one A that was approved. So just
briefly just what one A did and then maybe take.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
A little bit longer to describe why it's important for
you and the sheriff's office.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
Yeah, so one A was you know, everybody knows. You know,
I consider your listeners, you know, a lot more technically proficient.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Than most people.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
So if they're listening to your show, they've got their
head on their shoulders. So, you know, the taxpayer Bill
rights in Colorado, you know, restricted the amount of tax
revenue that local governments could hang on to they can
you know, that's supposed to go back to the tax
payer if there's real there's extra money in the reserve
at the end of each time, and you'd get that
in form of a tax credit on your property tax.

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What one A did was allowing the county government to
hold on to some of that money so that we
can maybe work on some of the infrastructure projects that
we need and concentrate on a lot of the necessities
that it takes to run a county organization. In twenty
twenty five and well into the future. And I think
that's something that we're looking at if the Sheriff's office

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is how do we not just serve today, but how
are we going to serve ten, fifteen, twenty years from now.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
And having the funding now.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Allows us to make that strategy a reality. And that's
what we're looking at at the Sheriff's office is how
do we grow responsibly as the county grows? You know,
a rapa Hoe County was notoriously known for being a
bedroom community to Denver. Well, we've added the tech center,
We've added corporate jobs to a rapa Hoe County to
make it what it is today. I mean, you're looking

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at a brand new Broncos training facility here that you
know they're going to move corporate jobs from downtown Denver
with the Broncos down to this campus inside a Rapahoe County.
So how do we plan for the future. And that's
adding more law enforcement, you know, that's looking at how
to sustainably address calls for service and make sure that
our response times don't skyrocket like we've seen in other

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large jurisdictions across the country. We want to make sure
that our citizens and our constituents are getting the best
level of service they can and this one a money
will help us do that. That'll help us over the
next four years add hopefully ten deputies each year for
the next four years, adding forty patrol deputies to the mix,

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which is going to address the growth that we're seeing,
which is is great, you know, but it is a
changing landscape in a Rapha County.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
And a Rapo County.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Just to add to that, A Rapa County is big
enough that the eighteenth judicial District got split up into
the eighteenth and twenty thirty used to be a rap Ho, Douglas, Elbert,
and what Lincoln and now a Rapo is its own
judicial district in the other three are now in the
twenty third where George Brockler is is a DA Just
to you know, put a little exclamation point on the

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on the growth of a Rapaho county. So just one
other quick thing on this. You talked about hiring deputies.
What about jail capacity. Has jail capacity been an issue
where where you have been constrained due to finances or
constrained due to something else, And does this debrusing money
do anything for jail capacity.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Jail capacity right now.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Since COVID, you know, we've actually been able to keep
our average daily population under a thousand, So we're hovering
right at about one thousand, nine hundred and fifty to
nine hundred and ninety people in custody each and every day.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
So we've kind of addressed that.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
But one of the things is infrastructure, and that money
going to building new facilities. Again, we've got an older
facility built nineteen eighty six for three hundred and eighty
six people, and like I said, we're averaging almost a
thousand people in custody every day, and so we're hoping
over the next few years we're able to put into
movement our plan to build a new detention facility and

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modernize that and be able to provide a better service
to make sure that we're keeping a Rapo County safe.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
There was a huge issue, especially for listeners of my show,
for supporters of this second amendment like me, Senate Bill
three that passed in the last session that you know,
I think was a terrible bill, could have been even worse.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
But one of the things that.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
It does is it requires people to take certain training
in order to be able to buy certain categories of
firearms such as AR fifteens and other things that are
some of my personal favorite toys. And in order for
people to get to be able to take the training
classes to be able to then buy the gun, they

(22:27):
have to apply through your office and get permission from your.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Office just to be able to take the training.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
And I'm curious first if you want to say anything
about it on a policy basis, if you want to
avoid that in your role, you know what you think
of the policy, we can skip that.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
But then I definitely want.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
To talk about what does it mean for the operations
of the Sheriff's department when now you're going to have
thousands and thousands of people coming to you with pieces
of paper.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
Great question, and you know I'll jump into the paul
to see a little bit. You know, I'm a firm
believer in training, and you and I've had this conversation
that training is very important when it comes to firearms.
It's one of those skills that is one hundred percent perishable.
It's not like you can pick up a gun and
hit a target from twenty five yards. If you haven't

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done it consistently, you know, it's something that you need
to train at. So I'm a firm believer in training.
I think that there is a way that people can
get training, and if you make it more accessible and
you break down barriers, people are more likely to seek
that training out than to have to go through all
the other hoops to be able to purchase a firearm.

(23:42):
And one of the things that we're looking at with
Senate Bill three is the impact that it's going to
have on the sheriff's office. You know, they moved this
bill to not be run by CBI. You know, CBI
has been given funding from the state to add individuals
to address some of the other gun laws that are
in Colorado, but they were going to have to add

(24:04):
more people to address the issue of running background checks
to essentially make people or allow people to be eligible
to go to this class that Colorado Parks and Wildlife
is going to put on. I don't disagree with the
class because, like I said, information is important, training is important,
but the method of how you get there really puts

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a burden on county sheriffs across Colorado, not just here
in Arapa County, but across the state. And what we're
seeing is people are going to have to bring us
a third party background check. We're unable to clear them
through CBI through the function that already exists at the
state because of the fiscal impact that it's going to
have on CBI. We're able to use other databases to

(24:46):
double check that.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
But at the end of the day.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
You're looking at a population in a Rapahoe County. We
can conservatively say that we've got you know, twenty two
to twenty five thousand concealed handgun permits in a Rapo
County active right now. Yeah, we can probably double that
number in gun owners alone that don't have concealed handgun permits.
Now you're looking at law abiding citizens having to go

(25:11):
through another step, and then there's going to be that
element of a nefarious character trying to get into that
that we're going to have very limited amounts of information
and resources to go and actually double check their background,
so they're going to be able to go to that class,
and then we're going to have to wait until the
gun purchase goes through to see if they are actually

(25:33):
eligible to own a firearm. And so with that, we're
still just the paperwork alone to address you know, fifty
thousand gun owners that potentially could want to buy a firearm.
We're going to probably have to add five to seven
staffers over the next professional staff over the next three
to five years to address the influx of just the

(25:53):
amount of paperwork that's coming into the sheriff.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
So is that a budget hit in the sense that
that money could be used for for patrol deputies, for
knine units, for any other thing.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
So okay, I want to go.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
It's sort of my jaw hit the floor when you
said something there a moment ago.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
You said that.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
You're gonna have to rely on the person who wants
to get this permission to bring in their own third
party background check because you won't be able to run
background checks through CBI for this part of the process.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Correct, Okay, let me let me take a step back.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
The law as it's written, Does it actually require you
to do a background check?

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Could you just say this is too much of a burden.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
And I also think it's an infringement on constitutional rights
and I'm not saying you said that, but could you
say all this that the background check part is so expensive,
we gotta hire people we got and for the citizens
to have to go pay for their own background checking
and then another one later that we're just gonna deep
We're just gonna say yes to everybody and let the

(26:58):
CBI thing or that out at the end of the
process who can actually have a gun and who can't,
because all we're doing here really is giving people permission
to take a class.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
So we're just gonna rubber stamp them all.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
We could, essentially we could am I going to know?
I think, you know, I'm going to do my due
diligence to try to adhere to the laws that are.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Passed at the State of Colorado.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
You know, when I took my oath of office, you know,
that's one thing that I take very seriously. You know,
I take an oath to the Constitution. I take an
oath to the Colorado Constitution and the laws of the
State of Colorado and until they're deemed to be unconstitutional,
which is way above my pay grade and much you know,
much more involved in the legal ease side of everything.
You know, We're going to do what we can because

(27:48):
we do know of certain individuals that live in our
community that you know, have are going through certain things
that we might say, hey, let's press pause on this
for a little bit. Either allow you to adjudicate your
case or get you the help, you know, mental health
resources that you might need before we go on down
that path.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
But again, but are you gonna catch that with a
background too?

Speaker 4 (28:10):
Well, we because we have internal databases at the Sheriff's office,
so we can check our internal databases. But the prime
example is somebody moves up here from Prowers County and
they're prohibited from purchasing a firearm. I'm not gonna have
the internal data on somebody from Prowers County like I
would from a longtime resident here in Rapo County. So
there could be some situations where people slip through the

(28:32):
cracks and we're gonna have to wait for CBI to
come back and provide that information. But again, we're looking
at law abiding citizens.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
We're we're expecting that.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Everybody that wants to have a gun is going to
do it by legal means. And I look at this
and you know, again, I'm not a lawyer. I didn't
stay at a holiday and express last night. So at
the end of the day, you know, we're gonna have
to wait to see what judicial review has to say
about this law and the impacts that it's having. But

(29:04):
the fiscal impact, you know, and the unfunded mandates that
we're seeing out of the state legislature are huge. And
you brought up a second ago about unfunded mandates and bedspace.
You know, we're dealing with that with the Department of
Corrections right now and we're trying to work together with
them for bed space for felonious crimes that have been
adjudicated through the court system. So we're dealing with a
lot of unfunded mandates.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
We're talking with Tyler Brown, the sheriff of a Rapo County.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
One last quick question on this.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Theoretically possible for you to contract with a back private
background check company, say.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
We're going to do them all through you.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
We'll pay you ten dollars each, just making up a number,
and we'll build a citizen fifteen dollars, which is still cheap.
I mean, again, on a constitutional basis, I don't like
any of that, But but you build a citizen fifteen
dollars each, still probably cheaper than they can do it themselves,
and you offset some of your costs.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Possible to do something like that. Possible to do something
like that.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
We've actually been in communications with a couple of different
companies that are you know, there are third party background
vendors out there. It's just what are we going to
do in terms of forcing somebody to pay for that
when they're already going to get a background check when
they go to purchase that firearm. And so okay, there
there are conversations happening, you know. But again it's a
new law and we're just trying to make our way

(30:25):
through the murky legislation.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
All right, we got about four minutes left, so let's
get through a few things quickly. One thing I want
to make sure we don't forget is the rex Run.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yes, so tell us about the rex run. Rex run is.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Gonna be September sixth out at the Rapo County Fairgrounds.
I think it's rex run dot com or if you
Google search search rex run, you can get onto that
website and register. It's a great time. It's a it's
a five k five five k run. Yeah, there's a
one mile walk. Bring your pets there, Welcome out of
the fairgrounds. There's a bunch of vendors out there.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
This first one is from Fox forty three, which is
somewhere in central western Pennsylvania.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Fox forty three televisions, and here's the headline.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Cargo container filled with four hundred thousand dollars worth of
pine sal stolen in Dauphin County. I don't know how
they pronounced it over their DIAU phi N. They probably
pronounced it differently, but anyway, four hundred thousand dollars worth
of pine sal. There was a tractor trailer that had
a cargo container on it, and the cargo container was

(31:31):
loaded up with pine sal. The vehicle stolen, in case
you want to look for it, by the way, as
a twenty fourteen white freight liner if you want to go,
go look for that. In addition to the four hundred
thousand dollars worth of pine sal, the cargo container itself
was listed at being worth about two thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
So there's that the four.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Hundred thousand dollars worth of pine sal is missing. Now
this is another story. This is from Como. This from Seattle.
Actually I have to tell you something Seattle in a minute.
But this is from Komo, it's big TV station Seattle.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
A thirty three year old man.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Was arrested after allegedly making threats with a knife and
getting up close and personal with a refrigerator inside a
Trader Joe's grocery store in Seattle. The Seattle Police Department said,
here are the cold, hard facts.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Okay, that's a pun. I won't explain it to you.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
According to the police, officers responded to Trader Joe's around
two fifteen pm whatever day that was following reports of
a man using racial slurs and brandishing a knife at
security agents.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
He threatened to kill everybody in the store.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Security guard at the store said the man was originally
confronted for allegedly quote humping and that's the security guard's words,
a refrigerator and attempting to do the same to a customer.
When challenged, the suspect became upset, kicking a flower display
and throwing apples. Multiple officers arrived and arrested the suspect
for felony harassment. He was booked into King County Jail.

(32:57):
Police noted that the suspect is a registered offender. What
I kind of would like to know is whether his
previous victim was another sort of kitchen appliance. Given what
he was trying to do to this refrigerator, and now
given the previous story about the Pine sal I'm just thinking,
if somebody's got a bunch of extra pine sal they
could probably bring it over to that Trader Joe's because

(33:18):
that fridge probably needs a really good cleaning right now
before you know, before Ryan Edsward is.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Gonna go buy some pre made.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Salad or or or Ben Albright with his insane pineapple
eating habit, is gonna go buy that stuff out of
that fridge. So, whoever got that pine sal you got
a bunch of pine salt for free, just take it
over to that Trader Joe's and let him let him
clean up that fridge, all right.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
I also wonder if that guy has anything to do
with the guy previously in the week talking about the
sizes of you know, units of measurement, as in, you know,
size of a microwave, dishwasher. So is a fridge more
attractive than a dishwasher than a microwave or a bread box?

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Right?

Speaker 1 (33:57):
I mean, if you're if your sexual attracted kitchen appliances
is bigger, better, you know, and like there there are
guys who like larger women, there are guys who like
smaller women. Right, So maybe for maybe for guys like him,
maybe some kind of large trader Joe fridge is more
attractive than than a regular house refrigerator, which in turn

(34:17):
would be more attractive than a dishwatcher, which in turn
would be more attractive than a microwave, although you and
I determined yesterday that the size of a microwave is indeterminate.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
True, right? Yeah, Hey, Ben, can you put on some headphones? Just? Yeah? Yeah,
do that?

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Ben Albright is here and I haven't talked with Ben
in a while, and I don't really know what I
want to talk with.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, here we go here on and we're we're at
training camp and Ryan Edward's.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Sitting next to me, and a rod is sitting next
to him, And I just picked Ben because I've talked
to him in a while, And uh so, hello, Ben,
how's it going?

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Ben talked to you in a while. Yeah, I filled
it for you. How was that I wrecked the Ferrari?

Speaker 1 (34:55):
I'm sorry now you keep saying you wreck the Ferrari,
But this is a Kia you did.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Here's you did, and you did a lovely job. What'd
you say? Dragon? It's a two thousand and two Kia.
It's a two thousand make those anymore? What do you?
What do you we're watching.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Uh, let's talk football, and then we'll just make up
some other nonsense to talk about, since it's a I
do a semi professional radio show and I'm just trying
to fill some time.

Speaker 6 (35:20):
I'm not even a part of real real media. Heart
my station doesn't count.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
So so, uh, we're looking at a joint practice here.
I see the Cardinals in their cardinal uniforms and the
Broncos in their white uniforms. And what what should we
understand about joint practices generally, Well, it's.

Speaker 6 (35:36):
It's a welcome sort of disruption to what you've been doing.
You kind of after you've been practicing against the same
people for weeks, you start to play that person and
their valluabilities, you know, you start to you figure out
what they can and can't do, and you start to
play to that instead of playing your technique the way
you're supposed.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
That's why these things are so valuable.

Speaker 6 (35:53):
It interrupts that you go back to playing your technique
because you get new people that are up against and uh,
you know, you also tend to take your foot off
the gas against your own guys. You don't want to
hurt them, right, You don't really do that I guess,
you know, some other guy comes in here that you
don't really take your foot off the gas that much.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
So there's a lot of value to these. And I
see that we've got officials here today. Does does that
make a difference? Does it change how the guys player
just sort of keep more honest or you know?

Speaker 6 (36:17):
I think it Yeah, I think it does because if
you don't have an official there, then you're you know,
if you're a corner, you're out there holding the guy
that's faster than you, that kind of stuff. So you
have to kind of, you know, keep it a little
more game ready. I guess, keep your rep a little
more game ready.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
As far as that goes.

Speaker 6 (36:30):
So I think having officials out here to do that
kind of stuff, that's that's a good thing.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Uh I find you from time to time to be
slightly more skeptical something than than my pel Ryan. From
time to time the yeah, they tell me about about
everything about everything in the world. And uh so yesterday
I talked with Ryan Abd. We were talking, well, we
talked about a lot of different stuff, but let me
get your take on the offense. As I mentioned to

(36:56):
Ryan yesterday, we've we've only seen one preseason game there,
lead doesn't matter very much. But as I as I
put it yesterday, for somebody who watched last season to
the Broncos seeing a slow start and especially by the offense,
but really both sides of the ball, it's a little concerning.
Not wanting to make too much of it because one
preseason game. But how are you thinking, let's focus on
the offense for now.

Speaker 6 (37:17):
Well, I said the same thing I said last year
after one preseason game. You know, but both lit the
world on fire in preseason last year, and I'll say
the same thing. It's one game, you know, like, let's
let's dial it back just a little bit and hit
that and you know, hit that that middle, middle of
the road thing. There were some things to clean up
in that.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Game against San Francisco.

Speaker 6 (37:34):
I thought that the left side of the offensive line
didn't look as good as they probably should. The running backs,
you know, Harvey bounced one outside. He probably should have
should have found the cutback lane on. There are a
few things here there. Cortland had to drop. You know,
if he catches that ball, we might the narrative might
be a little bit different.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
I thought they. I thought the second and third team
looked pretty good.

Speaker 6 (37:51):
Yeah, And I thought what that says is the floor
of this roster has certainly come up over the last
couple of years.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Is there's not as big a drop off. I'm not
I'm not in a panic mode about this offense or
anything like that.

Speaker 6 (38:01):
I think, you know, you want to see another game
out of it and kind of see if they clean
up the things that that were a little disjointed, uh
in that first one.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
But I'm not panicking about it.

Speaker 6 (38:09):
You start the season with a couple of teams, I
think three of your first four.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Games against teams that don't have very good defenses.

Speaker 6 (38:16):
So you're kind of hoping that that that will also
help be a ramp up period into the meat of
the season. Yeah, if they If it doesn't, isn't quite
clicking by the end of the third preseason game.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yesterday again, when when talking to Ryan, I was kind
of effusive about how how good a game Jared's didn't had,
and then Ryan said, yeah, but he was playing against
the third team, so of course he should do that.

Speaker 6 (38:37):
That's well, I mean, that's that's what Ryan. We call
him goal posts because he likes.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
To post so much. But you know, That's that's what
Ryan does. He you know, if he hasn't changes the
argument up on you a little bit so so he
can always just sitting here shaking his head. Yeah. No,
I I mean there's there's true to that too.

Speaker 6 (38:54):
I mean, you know, Jared's did was he is a
guy who has started professional games. It was playing against
guys that are that are going to be back up,
you know, selling insurance in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Not there's anything wrong with that noble.

Speaker 6 (39:03):
Profession, but you know, yeah, he copies my notes every
day before he comes in here.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
That's what it is. But we've got him. We've got
a pupp leptick over you're off bike. It's great. No,
I mean, there there's true to that though.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
I mean it's it is a little bit different going
up against back You still want to go out there
and shine, but it is a little bit different going
against backups. We saw shod Or Sander's former Colorado quarterback
out there for the Browns play, and most of the
guys he was up against were backups, I thought, but.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
He still played pretty well.

Speaker 6 (39:29):
I thought he checked the boxes for what he did
or a couple of plays you want back at one
where he's running backwards from the line of scrimmage trying
to get out of a sack. You gotta you gotta
learn to give it up and live to fight another day.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Yeah, you get away with that in college. Everybody's fast.
In the pros, you're not getting away with that. Yeah,
So you got you gotta learn to throw that away again.
You know, the discretion is the better part of valor
in those situations. So you know, he's got he's got
stuff to learn.

Speaker 6 (39:50):
But I you know, again, Shotoy's performance was against mostly backups,
and so I think there's there's like a maybe a
maybe a not a full asterisk, but kind of a
gray asterisk in there as far as that stuff go.
And you got to kind of, you know, contextualize some
of these performances.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
And excellent Shakespearean reference, I think was Falstaff who said
that discretion is the better part of our So very
very well done there. All right, one more football question
for you, but two part question, because I want you
to give me a name on the offense and a
name on the defense of a guy who, going into
training camp would have been thought of as likely to

(40:26):
be practice squad or cut, but who has played suits,
has had such a good camp so far that he's got.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
A decent chance of making the team. Give me one
name on offense and one name.

Speaker 6 (40:38):
I give you two on offense. Okay, one of them
isn't a guy that would have been practice squad. But
he had such a bad camp last year and he's
having such a good camp this year at Troy Franklin
that I think you have to kind of acknowledge that
if I would give you a name on offense that
was probably a practice squad guy, probably makes a roster Tydabinda,
I think he's played himself int a the third running
back role.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
We'll see, you know, we'll see how that goes. He's
still got time.

Speaker 6 (40:58):
But you would have probably said Julie Glaughlin had that
role before camp, and today has played his way to
that conversation, at minimum.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
On offense, defense, Ryan skeptical. You know how they call
him wet blanket Edwards.

Speaker 6 (41:10):
They uh, none that ever said that you get this
from on the defensive side of the ball level, Bailey,
I mean you had the injury to Druster Nod Drew Sanders,
excuse me, what's his number? You know, Leavell Bailey's Yeah,
n he's Uh, you've had injuries to green Law, You've
had injuries to Singleton fifty Uh. Sternod's a guy who's
who's had coming back off injury from last year Sanders

(41:33):
got hurt, and so he buy virtue of just bodies
being being short on bodies. He's had the opportunity to
shine and he's made the most of those moments.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Okay, what's the story with Singleton? Is he healthy? Is
he here?

Speaker 6 (41:44):
Yeah, he's here, He's he's he had a broken thumb,
he's got a back off injury you know last year,
you know, and and so he's coming back off that
they had a broken thumb this.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Year, but he's not injured. Is he one hundred percent
to be a starter?

Speaker 6 (41:55):
Well, yeah, I'll be him, and green Law would be
the starting inside backers.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Now, you're not going to run two ins backers.

Speaker 6 (42:00):
Every play, so Law probably gets the nod over him
in most of those situations, but Singleton would would.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Get a healthy amount of snaps. Okay, so now I'm
gonna put you on the spot pick it.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
So what else is on your mind these days besides
football that we can talk about to kill time on
my semi poach.

Speaker 6 (42:15):
The rising PPI man, you know me, I'm sweating and
I'm sweat stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Uh Ben, it's much more of a nerd than most
of you know. Oh, I'm such a I have such
a dork when it comes to that stuff. I really
on geek count. That's my hobbies.

Speaker 6 (42:27):
Yeah, doom scrolling the Twitter economist and the economy Twitter.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Okay, so let's do that.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
I talked about it briefly because I'm a nerd too
earlier in the show. But the producer price Index was
up zero point nine percent, economists expected zero point two
and the core was up zero point six percent, and
both of those were the highest numbers in over three years.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
And you're over ear up three. Oh yeah, you're over
ear up three on the best of it of two.
So that's I mean, that's that's bad. It evens it.

Speaker 6 (42:55):
What it means is these these tariffs, we're running out
of pre pre tariff inventory and we're starting to get
into Hey, we have to pass the cost along to
make margin, right, And at the end of the day,
that's the thing. Like this, this whole policy we have
hot tariffs are not new. We have centuries of data
on tariffs.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
The better of forever.

Speaker 6 (43:11):
It's targeted tariffs can work in certain instances they really can't.
Targeted on specific products can work, but broad tariffs are
universally are disastrous long term. And we're about to start
feeling the pinch here probably October December. You're gonna start
feeling the pinch by February. It could be pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah, I think that's right.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
I think a lot of people have gotten a sense
of complacency, and perhaps the president too has gotten a
sense of complacency that there hasn't been too much until
this report, too much apparent impact of tariffs on prices.
Part of it was, as Ben said, there was inventory
that was already in place that was pre tariff. Part
of it is that the importer, the middleman, the wholesale

(43:50):
or the retailer, anybody, and that's the manufacturer themselves, could
reduce prices a little bit, especially in competitive.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Industries, to absorb some of that tariffs.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
So by the time the price gets the end customer
who's buying the thing, the price is only up a
little bit and not nearly as much as the tariff.
But they can't do that for very long. They're gonna
have to start passing it through, as Ben said. And
actually there was a Golden Sacks report that came out
a couple of days ago that where they and I
forget the number, they said, you know, consumers have been

(44:19):
shouldering like twenty.

Speaker 6 (44:22):
It's gonna be out to about sixty seventy percent by October, right.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
And so right, So Goldman said what Ben and I
are saying, consumers are gonna start feeling this thing. And
President Trump's reaction to that was to tweet at Goldman
Sacks that they should fire their chief economists. I just
I don't even know which is kind of funny. All right,
let me let me switch gears as long as Ben's
gonna co host with me for four more minutes. So

(44:47):
we're gonna stick with nerdiness, but different kind of nerdy.
So Elon Musk and Sam Altman are like two big
players in AI.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Sam Altman is the guy behind chat GPT.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
That actually Elon Musk was involved with, and now Elon
Musk has his own thing with groc and and these
guys are are having a massive, massive public feud. And
I saw a thing that was really funny. They each
got the other one involved, did you? I don't know
if you saw this, Ben, I'm sure you did, because
you're so freaking nerdy. So let's see Musk or somebody

(45:20):
asked Groc, like, who's more trustworthy, and Groc is owned
by Musk, and Groc said that Altman is more trustworthy
than Musk, and then Groc said Musk has a history
of directing ex algorithm changes to boost his posts and
favor his interests per twenty twenty three reports and ongoing probes.

(45:40):
And then there was another one. Oh yeah, I had
the trustworthy thing backwards. So there was that one, and
then and then Musk asked chat GPT whether he or
Altman is more trustworthy, and chat GPT, which is Altman's company,
said Elon.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Musk was so yeah, nerd out with me on this.

Speaker 6 (45:57):
Well, I neither one of them is fully trustworthy. Both
of them have huge egos and they love they love
the publicity. They're the Jerry Joneses of the tech world.
Right as far as must goes. Nobody gets owned by.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
His own AI more than more than Elon.

Speaker 6 (46:10):
Which is kind of funny, But on this particular, on
the the issue that they're quibbling over, Altman has a
Elon has like a minutia point like a like a yeah,
if you drilled out of the minutia, he's sort of right.
But Altman has the overarching correctness on the on the
issue at hand, you know, in terms of what they were.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Originally arguing over there. But now now it's devolved again,
and who's got the you know, base coding and all that.

Speaker 6 (46:34):
It's now it's devolved in a mud slinging, which is
fun for all of us but solves nothing.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Do you use AI in your day to day life,
and if so, how not in my I try not
to as much as possible.

Speaker 6 (46:45):
I'm I'm really skeptical of any data mining data collection,
which is a lot of with these AI and social
media are so I try to stay away from as
much as possible.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
I have used it to I use it to pull data.

Speaker 6 (46:58):
Sometimes, like if I need something like if I'm the
The other day, Sean Payton came out and said he's
got this formula for scouting quarterbacks, right, and so I
was curious as to what all the quarterbacks in the
last twenty five years. Rather than gathering the inputs for myself,
I used AI to do a data scrape and pull
that number. Run it through the formula and then give
me a ranking of all those quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
And do it that way. So I'll do that kind
of stuff, but I tend not to.

Speaker 6 (47:23):
I certainly don't rely on it for historosity or any
any sort of fact checking.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Interesting, ye, I feel like I should use it more
than I do for show prep. You know, I hardly
use it at all. Every once in a while, I.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Have a question that I know that I'll have to
look through eight different websites to find the answers, so
I'll ask chat, GBT and and I should probably use
it more.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Well.

Speaker 6 (47:44):
I was talking with our friend colleague Rick Lewis and
the other day, and I was like, I got an
idea for you. For a week, you could do AI
week and you let AI program your show. Do you
know only the answers can come from you know, do
it do a week like that just to see what
it would be like.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
So maybe you could take this idea and run with this.
Is Rick Rick blew me off on that one. You
know this dude Dave Rubin Big podcast.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
So I think I only cut the beginning of the story,
but I think he basically replaced himself with AI for
like a month, right, and and I think it was okay,
but it wasn't great, Like you could tell it wasn't him.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
The answers weren't everything.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
You know, not it's not it's not the same, but
it's it is incredible how fast it's improving.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, and getting smarter by the generation.

Speaker 6 (48:26):
You already see the improvements in video quality on things
that you can't hardly tell sometimes now with AI video.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah, it's getting better and better.

Speaker 6 (48:34):
And I you know, I was our friendly lu Conway,
I was on we were doing a bit together. We're
talking about that. I'm like, at what point are we
going to get to the problem where it's indistinguishable and
we're both competing for resources because the water and the
energy and everything it takes to run this stuff.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
So did you see the AI hoax that a lot
of people thought was real about Paul McCartney going to
the hospital and play guitar for Phil Collins and a
lot of people we were fooled by it, and you
would be. I mean, and it's not a great picture,
but it's good enough that you might believe it, except
except Paul McCartney's playing guitar right handed in the picture,

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and he actually plays guitar left handed, which.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Is kind of funny.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
But soon enough, you know, someone won't make that mistake
and the picture quality will be so good that it's
going to at least take longer till we learn that
it's a fake.

Speaker 6 (49:21):
And what happens when we get to the court systems
where we're going to have to have people in there
to authenticative video is even real anymore? Yeah, you know,
like you can't trust you can't trust video as evidence anymore.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Right right, all right, that's Ben Albright.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
You can hear him on sports and perhaps nerdy topics
as well on Broncos Country tonight six pm to eleven
pm weeknights here on KO.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back. Thanks
for doing that, Ben, Yeah, we'll be right back.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
B I'm ross joint practice today the Arizona Cardinals and
the Denver Broncos.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Hey, I need to tell Ben one thing. You said
you like.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Wrecked the Ferrari and I said it's a KEI listener
says it's a crappy purple scion.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Okay, so that's that's what it was. Oh by the way, Ben,
Another listener says, Ben did a really nice job. So
there you go.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
And another listener asked, is it Ben who you play
Wordle with every morning? No, it's with two other friends.
I am unaware of Ben playing Wordle every morning, but
it would not surprise me if he does.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Are you do you play Wordle every day? Huh?

Speaker 1 (50:22):
All right, he's not, as he's not as addicted to
it as I am. All right, we had a lot
of stuff to talk about here.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
You have game addictions on your yes, are you still
addicted to do feel cravings for that game that you.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Deleted the No, I've almost forgotten about it. Oh good, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
No. I have a more macro problem, which is if
I get a little bit bored, then sometimes I'll look
to my phone and think, is there a game I
can play?

Speaker 2 (50:43):
But since I deleted that?

Speaker 1 (50:44):
And there are a bunch of games that I do
every day, usually when I'm eating breakfast, and Wordle is
one of them, and there's a few other games as well,
And then I'm done with him and that's it. And
then if I'm bored over the rest of the day,
I got to figure out something else to do, you know, Yeah,
a book, kick my cat, whatever whatever else it you know,
might be to just kind of keep your attention.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
And I don't have a cat, people, so just don't
be don't be mad at me about that. All right.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
So I lived in Chicago for quite a long time
and Illinois in Chicago, Chicago specifically, but Illinois generally just
has some of the worst politicians in the world. And
it seems like they're governor's just one governor after another
goes to jail. You know, probably, well, what's his face
was the guy that Trump pardoned? The Illinois governor that

(51:34):
Trump pardoned?

Speaker 2 (51:35):
What's his name? Yeah, yeah, Blagoya Blogo, Rod Blagoyevitch. So anyway,
he's just like one of many.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
And anyway, I thought of that, and I'm wondering, like,
has this is a really nerdy story, but I wonder
if Peru has outdone Illinois. A judge in the South
American nation of Peru is from Yahoo News, has ordered
the country's ex president, Martin Viscara, to be held in
pre trial to over bribery allegations. He stands accused of

(52:03):
accepting bribes while he was governor of a particular region
eleven years ago. So that's what you don't need to
know any of that really But here's the part that
I really liked. Vizcarra is the fifth ex president to
be detained in Peru, which has been rocked by numerous
scandals and.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Political crises over the last several years.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Peru has had six presidents in the last seven years.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Oh my gosh, so uh, this is how ridiculous Peru.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
So again in my mind's like, wow, these guys are
even worse than Illinois. Peru is so confident that their
political leaders are corrupt that they actually built a special
facility in a police base in Lima. But they built
a special facility just to hold former presidents.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Who get charged or convicted with crimes.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
And now with this guy haveing been ordered in you know,
like pre trial attention or whatever because they think he's
a flight risk, there's gonna be four ex presidents in
that jail at the same time right now, or presidents.
They've they've even outdone Illinois, and I think that I

(53:16):
think that's very, very impressive to be able to outdo Illinois.
All right, let me switch gears talking about something else
here so.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
You will.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
You may recall that the Supreme Court heard a case
that was about Montgomery County, Maryland, actually, and and the
case was about when the school wants to have lessons
or or assign books that.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Might be.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
That might be things that certain parents would object to, right,
books about transgender, books about gay marriage, books about whatever.
And I'm not here to debate with you whether you
should approve or disapprove of such a book.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
That's not my point.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
My point is that there are parents who say, we
don't want this stuff taught to our third grader, or
fifth grader or seventh grader. And what happened in Montgomery County,
Maryland was they said it first, Okay, any parent who
wants to opt their kid out of this particular part
of the curriculum, you can opt out. And then they
changed their mind and said no, you can't opt out.

(54:20):
And so there was a lawsuit about that, and the
parents won in the school district lost. And you know,
it's still allowed to have the book, still allowed to
have the lesson plan, but the parents have to be
able to opt out. So the reason I'm bringing the
story to you now, and I saw this over at
CBS Denver So cbsnews dot com. Slash Colorado is where

(54:42):
you find the website and the headline is how new
laws are changing Colorado school policies on religion and library materials,
and it turns out Boulder looks like it may be
the first school district in Colorado to actually change their policy.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
So again from CBS.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
The night before the first bell of the school year
rings for the Boulder Valley School District, the school board
approved a policy change that allows students and parents to
opt out of curriculum covering controversial themes with no questions asked. However,
the new policies also allow books and materials to stay
accessible for all students. This shift in policy follows at

(55:24):
June Supreme Court ruling requiring students to provide parents the
option to excuse their child from class when course material conflicts.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
With religious beliefs. So I explained all that to you,
so I'll skip ahead a little bit.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Boulder is one of the state's first school districts, maybe
the first, but certainly one of the first to adopt
new policies, but they didn't exclusively include a new opt
out for parents. The new policies mean that parents have
more of a say in what their kids learn about
in class, but again, they've also protected those well they call.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Them resources in the library for other students to use.
So what they're saying is parents.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Can object to, you know, book whatever, the book is
the bluest eye and just to pick one. But those
parents are not gonna be able generally to get books
removed from the library, but they will be able to
get their kid excused from having to read it or
and maybe having to discuss it in class.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
And there are some challenges there, right.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
What if you're a teacher and you get to twenty
three kids in your class and you're teaching this thing,
and parents have two kids decide to opt out, So
now you're teaching twenty one kids this thing, and then
you got to deal with the other two kids somehow
and teach them something, give them some lessons, give them
some education so they're not treated.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Worse or get less of an education than anybody else.
So that's a bit of a that's a.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Bit of a challenging a challenging thing, but one of
the things that they're going to do here in these
in these policies, and that.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
I that I like. And they quote someone named Ray,
that's our a.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Cicuria ci cior a sichiora cichiora.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
I'll try anyway.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
The district library coordinator for Boulder Valley School District who
told CBS that following new law in Colorado that challenges
to books or complaints about books that are on the
school library shelf have to come from somebody with a
direct connection to the school or at least the neighborhood
the school is in, because what you have been having

(57:29):
in some places is you've been having these conservative Christian
groups normally from anywhere. Actually, there's a couple of big
ones in Virginia that will file lawsuits against school districts
anywhere in the country that they have no connection to
when they find out that there's a book there that
they don't like.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
And I think that shouldn't be allowed.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
I don't think those groups should be able to you know,
I don't think a group in Virginia should be able
to school sue my kids school district and say take
the book out. You're not here, you're not party here,
pay taxes here. I don't care about your opinion at all.
It doesn't even matter if I agree with you. I
don't agree with you. Mostly.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Well, actually I take that back. I take that back.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
There are a bunch of books that have been found
in some of these libraries that really should not be
accessible to elementary school kids.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Middle school is borderline high.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
School, I guess, okay, but controversial and stuff that, even
though I am not a social conservative, stuff that I
would not want my you know, third grade or fourth
grader to be reading about in elementary school.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
So there is legit stuff there, but it's got to
come from the community.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
It's got to come from a parent at that school,
or at least from somebody who lives in that community.
And so I do think it's good that we're doing
that here in Colorado. Anyway, that's a little update for you.
If you are a parent and you find that your
kid is being taught something that you believe is objectionable,
just keep in mind you you have rights.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
You have rights. The Supreme Court medic clear.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
You have rights to be able to opt your kid
out of such and such a thing, but you don't
necessarily have rights to go any further and to say
that no kid should be able to learn or should
have to learn such and such a thing.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
We'll take a quick break.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
We'll be right back on Kowa and I'm joined by
producer A Rod who's here every day watching everything, and
you're keeping a closer eye on it than I am,
because I'm talking about all kinds of nonsense world.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
You're actually paying attention to what's what's going on?

Speaker 1 (59:21):
What's up with Nick Benito, who is like one of
our absolute defensive stars.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
What's going on there?

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Yeah, So on Saturday, Nick kind of came down with
what was being called like a foot injury. Was supposed
to according to Sean Payne, who told us on Tuesday
that Nick Benilo's gonna be back out practicing yesterday. He
was not. He mentioned yesterday and then throughout the week
as well. Not out here again today. So of course
everyone Broncos country is blowing up and thinking is this

(59:46):
potential holding is that kind of combined with the injury.
I don't think it's that whatsoever. I think it's a
matter of a guy that you really don't need him
to prove anything else. You kind of know what you're
gonna get from Nick Bandino is probably gonna have another
fantastic season, and with a contract kind of you know,
on the of his mind, maybe it's kind of a
joint effort, you know, discussion decision saying you know, listen,
you don't need to see anything else from me. Yeah,

(01:00:06):
maybe it just they kind of slow roll him and
kind of be careful with him. But yeah, two straight
days of not having Nick Banino out here.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
So during that preseason game, he got a sacked, and
he got another sack, and then he almost got a
third sack, and he walked off and he was kind
of shaking his head and he looked disappointed and whatever
do you think when he was walking off and looking
a little upset. Could that have been because he felt
like he got.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Injured a little bit versus just that he was mad
that he didn't get that third sack.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
I think it was a combination because people were kind
of say, maybe he want to continue to stay in
there and continue to showcase. Hey, it wasn't you know
just last year. I know it was a preseason game,
but yeah, not just last year. But I'm ready to
get right back at it. So maybe he wanted to
stay in the game. And think that may be a
combination with the with the foot injury that he that
he sustained.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
What else are you noticing here today as you're walking
this watching this joint practice with the Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Well, I wish to the football gods. I got my
wish right here in front of us.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
We've typically been seeing the Broncos offense against the Cardinals defense,
and so far it's been a bit more crisp. There's
been a couple couple of odd throws, but for the
most part, bon Nicks looks a lot more sharp.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
The guy that's standing out to me that had a
really good day a couple of days ago, and it
looks like the maintenance of his knee injury that caused
him and missed some time in the off season work,
Devon Vley is trying to make his mark in that
wide receiver room kind of, you know, respectfully, so kind
of been that forgotten wide receiver in this in this
group that's that's six strong and six deep and you're
really not going to go further than six. Veley has

(01:01:28):
had a really really good day so far. Had a
really nice deep shot I believe it was from from
bon Nicks. Seems like he's, like I said, I think
that knee starting to feel a bit better. Sean mentioned
to me. I asked Sean and the other day about
about what he adds. I know everyone talks about Evan
Ingram being the joker, but he moves to Von Valley
around as well. He called him to call him a
chess piece, called him extremely smart. So if Velay is
going to add something to that wide receiver room with

(01:01:49):
the other guys we've been talking about, know, Ben talked
about Troy Franklin's maybe nothing but good things for the offense.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Yeah, and it's been interesting to see one wide receiver
after another shine, you know, during practice or in the
preseason game, like you and I talked about with Sherfield.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
But each day it seems like one of these guys
has a great day.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Yeah, Corlin's had a couple of good days. I had
a really good strong day yesterday. I'm full agreements with Ben,
I think probably everyone else there out here in the
media as well. Troy Franklin has had my my I
think my best camp of any Broncos player. I think
he's in for a fantastic season, especially after the disappointment
that he would probably agree with last year. Yeah, you know,
you you you you talk about the other guys in

(01:02:26):
that wide zoom. You mentioned Trent Sherfield. We thought it
was gonna be the special team's ace. He's really showed
that he has at wide receiver. M talked a lot
about Marmon Mims obviously know in the return game, but
he's he's a speedy, really solid wide receiver as well.
So really everyone else in that room, that that whole
wide receiver room, we haven't even I know you're a
big fan. You want to see a lot more of
Evan Ingram, who's kind of wide receiver, tight end hybrid,
that joker for Sean. He hasn't really had a lot

(01:02:47):
of standout plays. He had a nice one the other day,
but I think it's going to be a lot more
for him in the regular season.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
When that when that when the lights of rioters for him.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Yeah. And I was talking with with Ben and Ryan
just during a break and my like, I not only
did I not see an Inger the catch a pass
in the preseason game, but those guys told me that
he wasn't even targeted and it didn't And I think
you said he only ran six routes or something like
that in the preseason game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
So that's a guy that I'm I'm really optimistic about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
All Right, you want to add anything else, And as
far as what you're seeing today, that stands out for you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Well, it's gonna be noteworthy. And I was telling, uh,
you know, talk to Color out of Morening News this
morning about it. You know, really enjoying practice, you know,
the coach. The coach is typically like these a lot
more than the preseason game because it's a lot more controlled,
a lot more exactly what you want to get in
terms of what reps you want to get between the between.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
The two units.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
It's gonna be interesting if the offense continues to look
as good out here, maybe we see even less of
the starters in the in the in the preseason game
coming up on Saturday, because you know, you got three
series of bone nicks and the starters. But if you
get enough out of this joint training camp and you
also come out of Scott free in terms of injury,
there's really no reason to push it. I know, you
want to get some reps for the offense, but you
also want to come out of this this healthy too.

(01:03:53):
But a lot of NFL teams across the board are
using their players a lot more in the preseason, so
maybe Sean just gets more work for the offense. But
I will say, have the entire defense that we know
this is going to be one of, if not the
best unit in the NFL. So Nick, Benito and everyone else,
we don't need to see him. So hopefully that is
what we see on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
It'll be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
I'm actually I'm going to that game and I'm taking
I'm taking my kid. My kid usually says no when
I ask him if he wants to do something.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
With me, and do you want to do parabolic? Oh?
That wouldn't that be something you should ask? That'd be
kind of fun for him. Oh, that would be really fun,
I will ask. I wonder if it's too late. Got
the inside track is that?

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Yeah, yeah, two days away might be too late for
this one, but least maybe one during the season.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Oh yeah, that's a crist I would love that. That's
a great idea. I'll look at that, a rod with
the best idea of the day. We'll take a quick break.
We'll be right back on Kowa.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
We're also about another twenty minutes left in Bronco's training
camp today with the joint practice going on just maybe
twenty yards in front of me, joint practice with the
Arizona Cardinals. I just I really do love being out
here at training camp.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Every year.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
It's just such a highlight. This is the last day
of training camp, by the way. So anyway, I got
a lot, a lot of stuff I want to talk
with you about. I want to mention a couple things
quickly before I get to this. First of all, Tomorrow
we're gonna have some incredible guests on the show, including
famed radio host Tom Martino, and he'll be on at

(01:05:16):
nine thirty nine thirty three or so. And Tom Martino
is I think I could be wrong about this, but
I think he is the longest running am AM radio
host in the country. Really quite incredible. His show is
obviously very different from mine. He does a, you know,

(01:05:39):
kind of a consumer advocate kind of show.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
On our sister station across the hall.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
But in any case, we're not gonna have Tom on
talk about the radio show. We're gonna have Tom on
because Tom was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and he and
it was an unusual situation in a good way in
that the cancer was caught unusually early for pancreatic cancer.

(01:06:03):
And Tom announced on Facebook yesterday that he is done,
that he's done with chemo, and that it appears that
he's cancer free. It appears they got the whole tumor
by surgery and in chemo, and and he thinks he's
he thinks he's done with it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
And it's just such an incredible story.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
I think you probably know that my my wife's dad
passed away from pancreatic cancer, and and his story is
much more of the typical story with that with that
disease because usually it's caught late.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Usually there's no symptoms until it's spread a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
So by the time my father in law was diagnosed
with this terrible cancer, well from the time he was diagnosed, uh,
he was gone six weeks later. And and Tom Martine
has just this incredible, miraculous story and we're.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Going to have him on to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
We got other guests as well during the show tomorrow,
but I want to just ask you to make sure
you join me. The other thing I want to mention
is we're still months away because it's next April, but
I would love for you to come travel with me
and my wife.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Kids are not coming on this trip, but with me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
I mean my kids aren't your kids can't, but with
me and my wife and a bunch of KOA listeners.
Next April I think it's the fourteenth to the twenty
fourth to Vienna, Prague, Budapest, a quick stop in the
town of Broadislava as well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
This is not a cruise trip. This is a land trip.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
So every night we're gonna be in a hotel in
a city, We're gonna get to go out, go to dinner,
check out these cities. We'll go to listen to Mozart
in Vienna and maybe do some cooking lessons and other
stuff like this. And if you would like to learn more,
you can go to rosstrip dot com, r O s
s t r ip dot com. And again it's some

(01:07:56):
it's some months away, but typically these trips do sell out,
and I expect this one well as well, So I
hope you will go check that out. Rosstrip dot com
would love to have you travel with me and why
my wife. You'll find you just meet wonderful people KAA listeners.
You make good friends. People are gonna be good friends
for years and years to come, including me and my wife.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Right, we will definitely hang out a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
This is not one of those things where you know
this happens sometimes more with the national hosts, but you know,
you do some listener trip and then you see whoever
this person is, you know once or twice over the
course of a week. It's not like that we're gonna
hang out every day. Let meals together with chat all
the time. We get to know each other and it's
it's really great. So again rosstrip dot com. All right,

(01:08:39):
let's switch gears in a in a traumatic way here.
So you may recall that I had on my show
a couple of times an interesting dude named Joe Brunner
b R U N N E R who owned Lucaslickors
l Ukas but you don't need to know the spelling
because it's gone now Lucas Slickers.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
It was right down.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Near the home depot in Loan Tree, near Park Meadows Mall,
and I guess it's probably the better part of a
year ago. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
He just saw the writing on the wall.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Where he had seen the writing on the wall before,
and he thought maybe somebody would erase the writing on
the wall, but nobody erased it, and the writing just
kept getting darker and darker and more ominous.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
And boy, I'm taking this analogy much too far.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
And he shut down his liquor store, and the writing
on the wall was that being in the liquor store
business not profitable anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
And there was some stuff going on with.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Competition from supermarkets, and when the state passed the law
that allowed beer and wine in supermarkets, and eventually they
were going to allow hard liquor as well, But if
I remember correctly, you can correct me if I'm wrong,
But I believe since then the state legislature has passed
a law saying we're not going to put spirits, you know, whiskey,

(01:09:59):
jin vodka. Hard liquor in supermarkets can be limited to
it's gonna be limited to beer and wine except for
those very small number of supermarkets and convenience stores that
already had it in the store.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
But that's a very very small number.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
So anyway, there is some obvious thought there about how
competition from supermarkets was going to cut into beer and
wine sales and liquor stores, and it definitely did.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
It definitely did.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Right, You go to the supermarket often, and if you're
somebody who likes beer, you like wine, if you can
buy it there, you might just buy it there out
of sheer convenience, even if the selection is smaller, Even
if there isn't an expert there who might help guide
you through the you know your your choices.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
You tell them, oh, I like this style of beer.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Can you show me something interesting, maybe a beer from
Colorado that's like this other day and anyway competition.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
For you know, a lot of people will say, gosh,
I would I would love that kind of concierge treatment
in a liquor store.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
But frankly, if I can buy my beer in the
supermarket and not have to make a trip to the
liquor store, That's what I'm going to do, at least
some of the time.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
So that was definitely a thing, and it is definitely
a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
But I was talking to Joe about it a little
bit more and he said, we are really really struggling
to even break even at this business's rent was quite
high big store.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
And I said, is it the supermarkets?

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
And he said, you know what, a little But the
main thing is much more fundamental than that. Joe said,
the main thing is that people, especially young adults, let's
say thirty and under, are not drinking very much, far
far less than people between the ages of twenty one

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and thirty were drinking. When I was between the ages
of twenty one and thirty in fact, less than less
than people of that age would we're drinking even just
even just five years ago, and definitely ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
So there's been some really interesting news stories about it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
I want to go beyond just the anecdote of Joe,
who you know, shut down Lucas Liquors and moved out
of Colorado. Joe is a moderate conservative, sort of a
pragmatic kind of conservative, and he got so sick of
the direction that Colorado was going that once his business
wasn't here anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
And he's like, you know what, I don't need to
be here either, and he left. Anyway, that's a bit
of a tangent.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Here's a story from Reuters that relates to a new
a new poll just done by Gallop, and I'm gonna
share with you a little of both. But here's the
beginning of the Reuters article. Alcohol consumption among adults in
the United States is.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
At the lowest level on record.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
A survey by Gallup show this survey just came out yesterday,
as most Americans for the first time view even moderate
drinking as harmful.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
I do think this is a generational thing, I think,
and there is data to that. In Gallop and I'll
get to it in a second. But this idea that
drinking even a small amount of alcohol is harmful is
an idea that has taken hold a lot more with
younger people, right like I said, twenty one or even
younger even though they're not supposed to drinking, they may
have the idea in their heads and and is really

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catching up with them. So in this new Gallop survey
called the Consumption Habit Survey that they do every single year,
about fifty four percent of Americans report drinking alcohol, you know,
more than zero times, you know, in a year, fifty
four percent. Last year was fifty eight percent, the year

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before that was sixty two percent.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
And if you look at the long term trends.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
In drinking in terms of you know, the people who
say that they drink alcohol at all, if you look
at let's see, uh this they started asking this question
apparently in nineteen thirty nine. But if you go back
and I'm sort of cherry picking my starting point here,
but if you go back to nineteen fifty nine, from

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nineteen fifty nine until twenty twenty three, there were only
a couple of years where the answer where the polling
showed that a number below sixty percent or above seventy
percent said they drink alcohol even a little.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
So in other words, almost almost every single year from
nineteen fifty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Until two years ago, it was somewhere between sixty and
seventy percent, usually hovering around sixty four percent, and now
it's fifty four percent, which is the lowest since they
have been doing this survey, which as I said, goes
back to just after World War Two, and that it's
a remarkable trend. And so you know, that's not great

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for liquor stores, for bars, for anybody, anybody in that business.
Now it's not uniform there. It's in the sense that
not every single American of every single characteristic is declining
in equal percentages, in terms of equal proportion, in terms
of how much they're cutting back on alcohol. For example,

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from last year to this year. Let me make sure
I've got that right now, from from two years ago
to this year, the percentage of men who say they
drink alcohol ever, and it doesn't have to it could
be it could be once a year, twice a year.
That still counts, right. It's it's are you a teetotaler
a great term, or do you drink alcohol at least

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once in a while. Okay, So from two years ago
till now, the percentage of men who say they don't
drink alcohol at all, and I'm sorry, the percentage of
men who say they do drink alcohol once in a
while dropped five points from sixty two to fifty seven.
The percentage of women, which was also with sixty two
a couple of years ago, dropped all the way down

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to fifty one, down eleven points, so a much bigger
drop among women. Also, there's a much bigger drop among
white people. From twenty twenty three it was sixty seven percent,
so they drink alcohol once in a while at least
last year fifty six percent. And among people of color
basically you know, Hispanic, Black and Island or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
That's only down two points from a couple of years ago.
So what you have a lot of is white women
no longer drinking.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
And then when you want to look at Susie, you
got an opinion on that. No, Susie looked at me,
I said, white women, and she looked at me. Where
the white women.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
At you know that movie? Yeah, there's just not drinking. Yeah,
younger white women have completely stopped drinking. Yeah, you're old
like me. You're not as old as me.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
But anyway, from the big big declines in people who
are drinking eighteen to thirty four, and then there's also
a pretty big decline in the neck, like the lower half,
like thirty five to forty four, also not drinking a lot.
When you get to fifty five and older, it's only
down a little bit. So okay, So there's that. I
wanted to share that with you. I think it's an
interesting data point as a whole industry out there, or

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it's multiple data points, and it's impacting lots of people, right,
it's impacting liquor store owners, bars, whoever. The other alcohol
there's two other alcohol stories I want to share with you.
As long as we we'll just make a whole segment
about alcohol today. And this is actually a Wall Street
Journal story that came out today, just today, and the
headline is the US alcohol industry is reeling from Canada's

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booze boycott.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Right, so it's not just the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
People who are selling the alcohol who are struggling, but
the people were making it as well. Obviously, if nobody's
buying your beer or you're whiskey, or I shouldn't say
nobody just less than before. If if fewer people are
buying it, you're gonna you're gonna struggle financially. So you know,
Jim Beam, Jack Daniels, where he's you know, making various
kinds of Scotch or other stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
It's it's all struggling. And now with Donald.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Trump's trade wars with Canada and all the stupid stuff
that he said about making Canada fifty first state, just
this nonsense where he's just trolling them and attacking one
of our closest allies for no obvious reason, although he's
kind of shut up about it lately.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
But Canadians got.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Really pissed, really pissed, and I don't blame them, right,
I was kind of siding with the Canadians there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
But here's from the Wall Street Journal.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Canada's prohibition on US alcohol is creating a headache for
American liquor and wine makers. On the shelves of many
Canadian liquor stores, bottles of Jack Daniels, Maker's Mark sailor
Jerry Spice Drum are nowhere to be found. Thousands of
bottles of US wine and spirits sit in storage across
the country.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Of Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
At tastings, Canadian drinkers are turning their noses up at
American alcohol, and so I talk to you a little
bit about the Trump thing. Mike Brisbois, who runs a
digital magazine called The Whiskey Explorer, held a tasting in
June where he served only Canadian Irish and Scotch whiskies
on the recommendations of his guests. The general theme was
Canadian guests. The general theme was that they're boycotting the

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United States. And roughly six months or so since the
US Canada trade fight kicked off, the hit to the
US alcohol industry is coming into view. The Distilled Spirits
Council estimated that exports of US distilled spirits to Canada
we're down sixty two percent from the same period the

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first six months of last year. Exports of American wine
down sixty seven percent. Ontario, which is the most populous
province in Canada's where Toronto is, sell spirits and wine
through government liquor stores six hundred and eighty eight government
liquor stores.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Last year, these liquor stores sold more than seven hundred
million dollars worth of American liquor and wine. Right now
the rate of sales on American stuff in Canadian liquor stores.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Is somewhere around zero, somewhere around zero. This is really bad,
especially in the states that may. I mean, think about Kentucky.
So much of Kentucky's economy is based on making bourbon.
There's a BBC story how Kentucky bourbon went from boom
to bust. Bourbon is my drink of choice, right, I'll

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drink I'll drink anything. I don't drink a lot. I
don't like vodka, I don't like tequila, but I'll drink
almost anything else in very small quantities, you know, once
a week, once every other week, you know, I'll have.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
I'll have one shot of bourbon and it's I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
But what's going on in the world of bourbon is
is pretty incredible, actually, and it is just it's collapsing
the demand for it, not just the Canadian thing, although
the Canadian thing is a pretty big factor as well,
but the prices of this stuff is coming crashing down,
absolutely crashing down, and companies that are making this stuff

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are cutting way back. There's actually a company out there,
and I'm having a brain cramp on what the name is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
But there's a company out there.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
What they do is they produce bourbon for other companies
to sell under the other company's names.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Sometimes they'll call it juice. Right, we make the we
make the juice.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
And these guys are gonna cut way are cutting way
back on producing for other people.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
They're just gonna focus on making some stuff for their
own brands. And it's just it's the industry is kind
of collapsing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
And it used to be that the price of a
full barrel of bourbon would be somewhere in the neighborhood
of four thousand dollars. Now it's down to between one
and two thousand dollars because there's so much oversupply due
to decline and demand. And I just think it's a
fascinating story. I do wonder if we'll really see it
at the retail level. I bet you probably will, right,

(01:21:34):
I bet you probably will, especially with the big consumer brands,
the Jim Beam, Jack Daniels kind of stuff. I bet
you you'll see the prices come down. They're gonna have
to and they're gonna have to lay off workers, and
they have to do all kinds of stuff. And the
state of Kentucky is gonna suffer financially, and other places
that make this stuff as well in California with the
wine and so many places that make beer.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
We make a lot of beer in Colorado.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
Right now, it's gonna be it's just keep an eye
on this, although you know it's beyond just keep an
eye really, because it's already happening in such a major way.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
And I wanted to share that with you. One quick
personal story.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
I had mentioned to you that my older kid was
moving to a suburb just outside of Seattle. I don't
know if I mentioned the name of it, called Everett,
to take some classes at junior college there.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
And then use those grades to get into a four
year college in Canada. That's his goal. He wants to
go to college in Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
So I'm just updating you on my family story because
we're all friends here. And so my kid got in
touch with me and said, this town, Everett, seems like
a giant retirement community with a bunch of homeless people
in it too, and it's not very nice. And there
is a junior college here, but there's nothing like a
college life. That is not a cool, funky town, not

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cool funky people. We really don't like it very much.
And so my kid texted me yesterday and said, we're
gonna move to Seattle instead, And so they're not.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Even gonna go to that same school. We haven't spent
any money on the school yet. I'm just gonna not
attend that school.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
And my kid just went to Seattle just loves it.
So it's a beautiful city. See the ocean down every alley.
And you know, my kid is a very right brain, artsy,
you know, like kind of what you would expect from
a nineteen year old artist. Right, very very liberal at
least in a lot of things, very very liberal minded.

(01:23:24):
You know, we probably don't share that many points of
view anymore politically.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
But that's okay. He's gonna find his own way in life.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
But that's the update is my kid is now just
suddenly not gonna go to that college anymore. Got to
find a new community or junior college somewhere around Seattle.
Gonna find an apartment, probably be nicer and cheaper than Ineverett,
which is a small, not very nice but still somehow
expensive town. And so that's that's the update. I'm trying

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to connect. I'm trying to connect my kid with just one.
I don't know very many people in Seattle.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
I know one or two.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
So I'm trying to connect my kid with some one
in Seattle who might be able to give advice on
neighborhoods and might even have a guest room where my
kid can stay for a few days or a week
while they're trying to find an apartment in a college.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
So anyway, that's the update from my family.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
I wouldn't share that with everyone, just with my friends,
but you and I are friends, so there we are.
So I've got a tremendous show for tomorrow, fascinating guests,
fascinating topics well, among other things, we'll also preview the
Trump Putin meeting that's going to happen right after my show.
But I sure hope you will tune into KOA from
nine to noon tomorrow and hopefully every weekday. Have a

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wonderful rest of your Thursday, and I'll talk with you
tomorrow