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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Happy Thursday. I'm Ross coming to you from Broncos Training Camp.
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to the Front Range and the people of Colorado. Thank
you so much to Chevron. My special guest sitting next
to me is a Rappo County Sheriff, Tyler Brown, and
I've told this story before, but I want to say
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it again, just you know, in public one time. So
the first time Tyler ran for office, I supported the
other guy.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I didn't know Tyler.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
The other guy had been around a long time, and Tyler,
although I consider him very much a moderate, is a Democrat.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I'd never voted for a Democrat before.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
After his first term in the job, I thought that
Tyler Brown had done such a good job that he
earned my vote.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
And I thought.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
To myself, if i can't have someone able to earn
my vote, then I'm really not much of a voter
and not much of a citizen.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
So in the next election, I voted for Tyler Brown.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
It remains to this day the only time I've ever
voted for a Democrat for office, and I'm proud of
that vote and Tyler has never let me down, and
as far as I can tell, he has never let
down the people of a Rappo County where I live.
So I just I know I've told that story once
or maybe twice before, but.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I just wanted to start with that.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
So Tyler, thanks for showing showing up in person here
at training Camp. I guess you get to just walk
right in. I have to show all kinds of stuff,
and you just walk right in with the gun and
the badge and like here you are.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, yeah, well, thank you for that vote of confidence
in the election. I actually tout that as one of
the stories on the campaign trail of you know, I'm
out here earning people's votes.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
And you know, training Camp, the Broncos are such a
great partner with the Sheriff's Office. You know, we kind
of share a campus between the courthouse and our headquarters
facility and the detention facility, and they're just great partners
and we have a great relationship.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
So yeah, they let us come in.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
They let our deputies park in their parking lot at
night to write reports in a safe, secure area. So
they're definitely a big supporter of our agency. And law
enforcement in general.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
We've got lots of things to talk about, so we'll
just do them in no particular order. But one thing
that I know is on your mind, and I was
well aware of this because I live and vote in
a Rapo County, is ballot Measure one A that was approved.
So just briefly describe what one A did and then
maybe take a little bit longer to describe why it's
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important for you and the sheriff's office.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, so one A was you know, everybody knows. You know,
I consider your listeners, you know, a lot more technically
proficient than most people, So if they're listening to your show,
they've got their head on their shoulders. So, you know,
the Taxpayer Bill rights in Colorado, you know, restricted the
amount of tax revenue that local governments could hang on
to they can you know, that's supposed to go back
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to the taxpayer if there's extra money in the reserve
at the end of each time, and you'd get that
in form of a tax credit on your property tax.
What one AID did was allowing the county government to
hold on to some of that money so that we
can maybe work on some of the infrastructure projects that
we need and concentrate on a lot of the necessities
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that it takes to run a county organization in twenty
twenty five and well into the future. And I think
that's something that we're looking at at the Sheriff's Office
is how do we not just serve today, but how
are we going to serve ten, fifteen, twenty years from now.
And having the funding now allows us to make that
strategy a reality. And that's what we're looking at at
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the Sheriff's Office is how do we grow responsibly as
the county grows? You know, a rapa Hoe County was
notoriously known for being a bedroom community to Denver. Well,
we've added the tech center, We've added corporate jobs to
a rapa Hoe County to make it what it is today.
I mean, you're looking at a brand new Broncos training
for facility to hear that. You know, they're going to
move corporate jobs from downtown Denver with the Broncos down
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to this campus inside a rapa Hoe County. So how
do we plan.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
For the future.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
And that's adding more law enforcement, you know, that's looking
at how to sustainably address calls for service and make
sure that our response times don't skyrocket like we've seen
in other large jurisdictions across the country.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
We want to make sure.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
That our citizens and our constituents are getting the best
level of service they can and this one a money
will help us do that. That will help us over
the next four years add hopefully ten deputies each year
for the next four years, adding forty patrol deputies to
the mix, which is going to address the growth that
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we're seeing, which is is great, you know, but it
is a changing landscape in a rap Hoae County and.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
A rap Hoe County.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Just to add to that, a Rapoa County is big
enough that the eighteenth judicial District got split up into
the eighteenth and twenty thirty used to be around Appo, Douglas,
Elbert and what Lincoln and and now Arapo is its
own judicial district. Any other three are now in the
twenty third where George Brockler is is a DA Just
to you know, put a little exclamation point on the
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on the growth of Arapaho County. So just one other
quick thing on this. You talked about hiring deputies. What
about jail capacity? Has jail capacity been an issue where
where you have been constrained due to finances or constrained
due to something else. And does this debrucing money do
anything for jail capacity.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Jail capacity right now, since COVID, you know, we've had
we've actually been able to keep our average daily population
under a thousand, So we're hovering right at about one thousand,
nine hundred and fifty to nine hundred and ninety people
in custody each and every day. So we've kind of
addressed that. But one of the things is infrastructure, and
that money going to building new facilities. Again, we've got
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an older facility built nineteen eighty six for three hundred
and eighty six people, and like I said, we're averaging
almost a thousand people in custody every day, and so
we're hoping over the next few years we're able to
put into movement our plan to build a new detention
facility and modernize that and be able to provide a
better service to make sure that we're keeping a Rapo
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County safe.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
There was a huge issue, especially for listeners of my show,
for supporters of the Second Amendment like me, Senate Bill
three that passed in the last session that you know,
I think was a terrible bill could have been even worse.
But one of the things that it does is it
requires people to take certain training in order to be
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able to buy certain categories of firearms such as AR
fifteens and other things that are some of my personal
favorite toys. And in order for people to get to
be able to take the training classes to be able
to then buy the gun, they have to apply through
your office and get permission from your office just to
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be able to take the training. And I'm curious, first
if you want to say anything about it on a
policy basis, if you want to avoid that in your role,
you know what you think of the policy, we can
skip that. But then I definitely want to talk about
what does it mean for the operations of the Sheriff's
department when now you're going to have thousands and thousands
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of people coming to you with pieces of paper.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Great question, and you know, I'll jump into the policy
a little bit. You know, I'm a firm believer in training,
and you and I had this conversation that training is
very important when it comes to firearms. It's one of
those skills that is one hundred percent perishable. It's not
like you can pick up a gun and hit a
target from twenty five yards. If you haven't done it consistently,
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you know it's something that you need to train at.
So I am a firm believer in training. I think
that there is a way that people can get training,
and if you make it more accessible and you to
break down barriers, people are more likely to seek that
training out than to have to go through all the
other hoops to be able to purchase a firearm. And
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one of the things that we're looking at with Senate
Bill three is the impact that it's going to have
on the Sheriff's office. You know, they moved this bill
to not be run by CBI. You know, CBI has
been given funding from the state to add individuals to
address some of the other gun laws that are in Colorado,
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but they were going to have to add more people
to address the issue of running background checks to essentially
make people or allow people to be eligible to go
to this class that Colorado Parks and Wildlife is going
to put on. I don't disagree with the class because,
like I said, information is important, training is important, but
the method of how you get there really puts a
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burden on County sheriffs across Colorado, not just here in
Rapo County, but across the state.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
And what we're seeing is.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
People are going to have to bring us a third
party background check. We're unable to clear them through CBI
through the function that already exists at the state because
of the fiscal impact that it's going to have on CBI.
We're able to use other databases to double check that.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
But at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
You're looking at a population in a Rapahoe County. We
can conservatively say that we've got, you know, twenty two
to twenty five thousand concealed handgun permits in a Rapo
County active right now. We can probably double that number
in gun owners alone that don't have concealed handgun permits.
Now you're looking at law abiding citizens having to go
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through another step, and then there's going to be that
element of a nefarious character trying to get into that
that we're going to have very limited amounts of information
and resources to go and actually double check their background.
So they're going to be able to go to that class,
and then we're going to have to wait until the
gun purchase goes through to see if they are actually
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eligible to own a firearm. And so with that, we're
still just the paperwork alone. To address, you know, fifty
thousand gun owners that potentially could want to buy a firearm,
we're gonna probably have to add five to seven staffers
over the next professional staff over the next three to
five years to address the influx of just the amount
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of paperwork that's coming into the sheriff.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
So is that is that a budget hit in the
sense that that money could be used for patrol deputies,
for canine units, for any other thing. So okay, I
want to go. It's sort of my jaw hit the
floor when you said something there a moment ago.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
You said that.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
You're gonna have to rely on the person who wants
to get this permission to bring in their own third
party background check because you won't be able to run
background checks through CBI for this part of the process.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Correct, Okay, let me let me take a step back.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
The law as it's written, Does it actual stually require
you to do a background check?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Could you just say this is too much of a burden.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And I also think it's an infringement on constitutional rights
And I'm not saying you said that, but could you
say all this that the background check part is so expensive,
we got to hire people, we got and for the
citizens to have to go pay for their own background checking,
and then another one later that we're just gonna deep
We're just gonna say yes to everybody and let the
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CBI thing sort that out at the end of the process.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Who can actually have a gun and who.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Can't, because all we're doing here really is giving people
permission to take a class.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
So we're just gonna rubber stamp them.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
All we could, essentially we could.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Am I going to know?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I think, you know, I'm gonna do my due diligence
to try to adhere to the laws that are passed
at the State of Colorado. You know, when I took
my oath of office, you know, that's one thing that
I take very seriously. You know, I take an oath
to the Constitution. I take an oath to the Colorado
Constitution and the laws of the State of Colorado and
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until they're deemed to be unconstitutional, which is way above
my pay grade and much you know, much more involved
in the legal ease side of everything. You know, We're
going to do what we can because we do know
of certain individuals that live in our community that you
know have are going through certain things that we might say, hey,
let's press pause on this for a little bit, either
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allow you to adjudicate your case or get you the help,
you know, mental health resources that you might need before
we go on down that path.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
But again, what are you going to catch that with
a background check.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Well, we because we have internal databases at the Sheriff's office,
so we can check our internal databases. But the prime
example is somebody moves up here from Prowers County and
they're prohibited from purchasing a firearm. I'm not going to
have the internal data on somebody from Prowers County like
I would from a longtime resident here in Rapo County.
So there could be some situations where people slip through
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the cracks and we're gonna have to wait for CBI
to come back and and provide that information. But again,
we're looking at law abiding citizens. We're we're expecting that
everybody that wants to have a gun is going to
do it by legal means. And I look at this
and you know, again, I'm not a lawyer. I didn't
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stay at a holiday and express last night, so at
the end of the day, you know, we're gonna have
to wait to see what judicial review has to say
about this law and the impacts that it's having. But
the fiscal impact, you know, and the unfunded mandates that
we're seeing out of the state legislature are huge. And
you brought up a second ago about unfunded mandates and bedspace.
You know, we're dealing with that with the Department of
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Corrections right now, and we're trying to work together with
them for bed space for for felonious crimes that have
been adjudicated through the court system. So we're dealing with
a lot of unfunded mandates.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
We're talking with Tyler Brown, the sheriff of Rapo County.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
One last quick question on this.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Theoretically possible for you to contract with a back private
background check company, say.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
We're going to do them all through you.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
We'll pay you ten dollars each, just making up a number,
and we'll build a citizen fifteen dollars, which is still cheap.
I mean, again, on a constitutional basis, I don't like
any of that, but but you build a citizen fifteen
dollars each, still probably cheaper than they can do it.
Themselves and you offset some of your costs.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Possible to do something like that. Possible to do something
like that.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
We've actually been in communications with a couple of different
companies that are you know, there are third party background
vendors out there. It's just what are we going to
do in terms of forcing somebody to pay for that
when they're already going to get a background check when
they go to purchase that firearm. And so, okay, there
are conversations happening, you know, but again, it's a new
law and we're just trying to make our way through
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the murky legislation.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
All Right, we've got about four minutes left, so let's
get through a few things quickly. One thing I want
to make sure we don't forget is the rex Run. Yes,
so tell us about the rex run. Rex run is gonna.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Be September sixth out at the Rapo County Fairgrounds. I
think it's rex run dot com or if you Google
search search rex run, you can get onto that website
and register. It's a great time. It's a it's a
five k five five k run. Yeah, there's a one
mile walk. Bring your pets there. Welcome out of the fairgrounds.
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There's a bunch of vendors out there,