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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I know only about half of you can probably see me,
but anyway, wearing my Broncos shirt. Fun broadcasting from training camp.
The past couple of days, I did have a chance
to interview the Broncos punter Jeremy Crosshaw of the he
of the Mustache fame already, and I'm gonna share that
audio with you. It's only like four ish minutes long,
short conversation we had, but I'm gonna share that with
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you a little bit later in the show. Speaking of Broncos.
Also a little bit later in the show, I am
gonna give away a pair of tickets to tomorrow night's
Broncos Cardinals preseason game at Empower Field at Mile High. So, actually, no,
I take that back. I take that back. I'm not
doing the giveaway today from let me make sure I
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do this. I do this right. I'm gonna I gotta
figure this out. I might have a pair of tickets
to give away, and I might and I might be
telling you about one later in the day. I'll have
a pair of tickets to give away. I'll sort that
out and I'll get to it. We're also the other
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on Friday mornings and see the pinned notes there with
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instructions on how you can try to get one of
the two social media entries that we will be doing today.
All right, let's do a couple of other things. So
you heard in our news broadcast. There obviously is a
big deal today with President Trump meeting Russian dictator Vladimir Putin.
They're going to meet in Alaska. The meeting is set
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for we believe it is set for one thirty pm
hour time, so that'll be during Mandy's show. I don't
know whether there will actually be news during Mandy show
or whether it be a little bit later that they
come out. And I don't know. Also, I don't know
whether there will be a joint press conference or whether
just Trump will come out at some point and make
some comments. So so we'll see, you know, I think
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I think Trump has done a pretty good job on
a couple of things here. One, he's set expectations pretty low.
He's set expectations pretty low. And he's also made clear
something I think is really good, and that is you
heard in that news clip that that Pat just played.
Trump said, I'm not here to negotiate on behalf of Ukraine.
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He said, I'm here to try to get a conversation,
going to see whether there's a deal to be done.
But I'm not going to be in that room negotiating
this for that Ukraine's land, this thing, that thing, right,
it's about Ukraine, and Ukraine's gonna make those decisions, and
Ukraine will have those conversations with Russia and hopefully something
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will happen. So let me just give a couple other
thoughts on this, and I'm just gonna do a couple
of minutes, because in about an hour and a half
we're gonna have a guest, real expert on this who's
going to join us to preview this meeting a little bit.
More So, Vladimir Putin is not afraid of much, and
right now he probably thinks he's winning. He certainly thinks
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he's not losing. And the Russians have made some modest
gains in recent days on some of the front lines,
not huge, but noticeable. And what you got to understand
about Putin is that he deeply believes that Ukraine has
no right to exist as an independent country. He deeply
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believes that the creation of Ukraine, which previously was called
the Ukraine by Vladimir Lenin around the time of the
Russian Revolution, he believes that was a historical error, that
it never should have happened, and that it's some kind
of blight or shame or catastrophe or something for Russia.
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And he believes Ukraine should just be fully absorbed into Russia,
and he would do it if he could. So far
he can't, partly due to American help supplying weapons, partly
due to European helps supplying weapons. But I hope Trump
understands going into this that Vladimir Putin deeply believes in
this mission. And much as Donald Trump would like his
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legacy to be a guy who won a Nobel Peace
Prize plus whatever else Trump wants to be remembered for,
but surely he would like that, and I don't blame him.
Vladimir Putin wants his own legacy to be the guy
who took Uka back and brought Ukraine back to being
part of Russia. And it is not going to be
easy to talk him out of it. And the only
way you probably talk him out of it is by
threatening him with something that he's actually afraid of, and
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it's unclear that there is such a thing right now.
I don't think that Putin is afraid of the US
selling more weapons to Europe who then delivers them to Ukraine,
or selling more weapons to Ukraine, or even giving more
weapons to Ukraine. Although I don't think we're going to
be giving much away under this administration, but we'll sell
plenty of stuff, and we've sold them lots of stuff
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already and still Russia isn't losing. So I don't think
he's afraid of that. What could he be afraid of?
The only thing I think that Putin could be afraid
of is some credible threat that really gets pretty much
the entire world to stop buying Russian oil and destroy
the Russian economy that way. I think that's the only
thing he's afraid of. But their primary customer is China,
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and I don't think Donald Trump has any real leverage
on China to get them to stop buying Russian oil. Right,
China has an enormous economy, they need lots of oil,
lots of energy, and they're able to buy it at
a discount from Russia because of American policy. And so
I just have a hard time seeing what Putin will
be afraid of. That said, I also have no idea
what Trump is gonna say. Maybe Trump has a good idea,
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maybe Trump's people have given Trump a good idea. But
here's the thing Putin might be afraid of. You threaten
him with this and maybe he'll agree to settle the war.
I have no idea. As I said yesterday, there's nothing
more chaotic in the world of human endeavor than war.
And then in general, in negotiations, there are few things
harder to predict than international negotiations, much more difficult to
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predict than national negotiations, because there are so many competing constituencies. Right,
Vladimir Putin is not really trying to appease Donald Trump.
He's trying to do what he thinks, you know, is
some historical imperative for him, while also appeasing the Russian people,
and he doesn't want to cause a huge fight with Trump.
But Trump isn't really his biggest thing. All of this
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together is just so complex it is possible to predict
what's gonna happen now. I think it's unlikely that there
will be any kind of ceasefire that happens within the
next few days coming out of this meeting. A few
weeks maybe, But again it depends if Trump and the
West have anything to pressure Putin with that he will
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be afraid of, and at the moment, I just don't
know what that is. I do have a pair of
Broncos tickets for a Saturday Night's game that I will
be giving away a little bit later in the show.
And then also we're gonna give away a pair of
Broncos tickets for Saturday Night's game each hour from three
pm to six pm during KOI Sports from three pm
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every hour. Also, if you go to x dot com
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you'll have a chance to win Broncos Cardinals preseason tickets. Again,
it's a Saturday night game, You'll have a chance to
win tickets there as well. One quick thing I would
like to mention this is sort of a wacky thing,
a little bit of an inside baseball thing, But from
time to time I'm mentioned to you that if you
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are listening on the podcast, you might not hear some
things that you hear on the over the air broadcast
because lawyers, for example, we cannot include name that tune.
And it's a whole legal thing, where the bottom line is,
the license that we have that allows us to play
most music on the show does not extend to the podcast,
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even though the podcast is just a replay of the show.
But it's not an over the air broadcast, so the
license doesn't apply. And therefore, when there is copyrighted music,
we can't have that in the podcast, and that's why
podcast listeners don't hear name that tune. Sometimes if you
hear me and Shannon or Dragon or a Rod talking
about music, you know, and you don't hear the music,
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or you might not hear that segment at all on
the podcast. That's why because of that license thing. So
an interesting thing happened yesterday and yesterday and the day
before I was broadcasting from Broncos training camp, and when
I'm on when I'm at training camp is actually when
camp is happening, right when Marty and Gina are there
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or shows that if we ever have a show there
later in the day, practice isn't going on, so those
other shows aren't impacted by what I'm going to tell
you about now. So during practice, often you will they
will play very loud music. And the previous years that
I've done this has been pretty loud, but yesterday was
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the loudest I ever heard it. And and you know,
it's the get the players going, and it's awesome to
you know, play sports and have loud music playing all
this it's it's cool, but it was so loud that
my microphone that I was using for my broadcast could
pick it up kind of in the background because it
was so freaking loud, and because a bunch of that,
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you know, it's copyrighted music, they're playing ac DC or
whatever other fun music to exercise too. Because that was
audible in the background, we had to cut out a
bunch of stuff from the podcast yesterday. So if you
are a podcast listener, you're hearing me right now on
the podcast as you're listening, and you're wondering, why did
it seem like yesterday's podcast was was short or missing
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some stuff or whatever. That's why, because the Broncos had
such loud music playing that could be picked up in
the background. For example, of my conversation with a Rapahoe
County sheriff, Tyler Brown, which was a great conversation, we
had to cut that out of the podcast. So in
any case, that's why, I just thought i'd explain that
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to you a little bit of inside baseball stuff. Did
you guys happen to see the video of this dude
flinging a sub sandwich at an ice agent in Washington, DC.
A couple of days ago, this guy, you know, the
ICE agents are out there on the street doing what
they're doing, what they're doing with you know, getting or
actually it might have been National Guard. I'm trying to
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remember who it was. But here there are federal agents
one way or another, and it might be nationally it
might have been National Guard, because National Guard is in
DC right now. Trump ordered them in to try to
help clean up some of the crime levels in Washington,
in Washington, d C. And let me just interject one thing.
Trump says that the crime rate in Washington, d C
is much too high. People in Washington, d C. Say
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the crime rate in Washington, in Washington, d C is
much lower than it was a couple of years ago,
and much much lower than it was in the nineties.
And what I would like to say to you is
they can both be right. Crime levels can be lower
than they were a year ago or two years ago,
and still much too high and in need of being
cleaned up in the nation's capital. And so so Trump's right,
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the other people are right. I think I really haven't
talked about this. I think Trump's move to deal with
crime in Washington, d C. The way he's doing it
has almost zero political downside for him. I think it's
all upside and DC needs it, so I'm I'm in
favor of it. We'll see how it plays out. I
think the one real risk to President Trump from this
thing is if a National Guard per kills somebody who
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isn't a criminal, it's unlikely to happen, very very unlikely happened.
So mostly I think there's very little risk here for DC.
So anyway, this guy comes up, a thirty seven year
old guy. It turns out turns out that his name
is Sean Dunn, and he starts yelling at these federal
agents and he starts swearing at him and calling them
effing fascists and all this stuff. And he's carrying a
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sub sandwich. I don't know if it's from subway, but
it's a substtile sandwich, and he flings the sandwich at
a federal agent and then starts running away. He's not
very fast, so he gets caught and he's been charged
with felony now, with felony assault that you know, Janine
Piro is, you know, the person in charge of that
stuff in DC now, and she's taking no prisoners at all, right,
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or actually I should say she is taking prisoners rather
than letting them go, So she is literally taking prisoners.
So this dude, though he flings the sandwich, tries to
run away, gets caught in the news. Now this dude
works at the DOJ, or he did. He's been fired.
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He was an international affairs specialist in the Department of
Justice Justice's Criminal Division, and now he's been fired. But
doesn't that go to show you something. You know, there's
a lot of talk and sometimes it's overdone, but I
actually think this is a real thing, this sort of
deep state concept. And you've got all these people, and
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I've talked about this a lot on the show. Their
mindset is always presidents are temporary and I'm permanent. That's
how they think, That's how bureaucrats think, It's how bureaucracies operate.
Trump is only going to be there for another three
and a half years. The most there's ever going to
be any president is eight years in a row. And
these people think they're going to be their way after
way longer than that. And they don't mind that. They
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think that their opinion matters more than the president's opinion.
And it doesn't matter whether you like or don't like
any particular president. When you work in a federal government
like that in the executive branch, you work for them, period.
You work for them, and if you don't like it,
get out a way. This guy flung the sandwich and
now he's been fired. But it is Pam BONDI actually said,
this is an example of the deep state we've been
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up against for seven months while we worked to refocus
DOJ And you know what, She's not wrong. Can't really
describe how happy I am to be having this conversation.
Sitting across from me now is my friend in longtime
colleague Tom Martino. For many years when I did morning
drive over on our sister station six point thirty k HOW,
I would be leaving just as he'd be coming in
for his four hour show, The Troubleshooter Show on k
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HOW every weekday from ten am to two pm. And
I will note, although Tom might not if I didn't,
that Tom is the longest running talk show host in
America right in America, still on the air, still on
the air. There were some of the past that retire, yeah,
long ago. So as far as people on the air
right now, nobody has been on the air longer than
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Tom Martino with his own show, which is just an
absolutely incredible thing with the Troubleshooter Show, especially in radio.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, you know, we're just talking about wow. So but dude,
you're you're here to talk to me. Yeah, and you
posted a thing on LinkedIn and I've known that you
were going through some health troubles and I've really wanted
to come over and say something, but I'm kind of superstitious.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, and I just didn't because I didn't want know
what you mean. And so I hope you didn't think
that I didn't care. No, no, no, I never thought
that at all. In fact, I was so busy just
attending to myself. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
You know what, being sick makes you narcissist, not not
in a bad way, It makes you concentrate on getting better.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, so tell us for people who don't know what
you've been dealing with diagnosed.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
So I'm in Hawaii in December and my wife says
you're yellow, and I said, I think that's the tan.
But literally my eyeballs were yellow. Yeah, and I thought
I had heppatitis or something. And we came home New
Year's Day. I go to the doctor January two, to
the emergency room, and they said, we need to take
a look. So they did some testing. They did imaging.
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I didn't know why they did imaging. I thought I
never heard of jaunt as being a sign of something serious,
but it apparently was because they come out and said,
and the emergency room doc was well meeting. I'm not
going to even tell you what hospital it was because
he was well meeting.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
But he was an idiot.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
He literally took my hand and said, is your wife
coming back because you went out to get food and
I said yes. He said, you met, you might want
to call her and your family. And I said, what
he says, you have pancreatic cancer. And I said, or
at least it's a pancreatic tumor and it looks like cancer.
And here's what he said, as you probably heard, it's
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ninety seven percent fatal within the first year and a
half or two years. And I thought, I'm going to die,
and so I started dealing with you know, I got
to get things done for my kids and all that.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I had kids late. So then the GI doc comes in.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
The surgeon says, we have to put a stint in
to drain those billy rubens where you're going to die
from poisoning, not camp, but we got to get in there.
So he goes inside and tries to put a stint
in and he couldn't. At that hospital again, I don't
want to name them, they're good people. And he said,
we don't have the equipment. We just didn't have the camera.
We couldn't get the stent in. And I said, that's
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when I woke up from General Aesesia. Yeah, and it
was about two in the afternoon, and I said, now
what he says, I'm going to send you over to
U SEE Health.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Thank god he did.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
What a team and I want to but he said,
I want to tell you something, and I really shouldn't.
I'm not an on collagist, but I had an endoscope
in there and I was looking around and I can't
see anything except one tiny tumor pressing right on your
bile duct.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It is so far on the head.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It gave you immediate symptoms, he says, But look at
I don't know of it advanced. It could be in lymphthoms.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
But what I see is an isolated tumor.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So I went over to U See Health and they
had the equipment to get the stent in and I
immediately felt better because it drained all the poisons from me,
but because I had two of those in my pancreas,
it landed me in the hospital for about eight days
with pancreatitis because pancreases don't like me in touch. So
I was in the hospital during that eight days. That
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cancer team came in and talked to me and said,
do you understand how fortunate you are? You know three
percent of the diagnoses are operable and.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Totally isolated and ready to go.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
In fact, Steve Jobs had the same diagnosis I had.
Do you understand this? And he chose not to go
with surgery. He could have saved his life. He said,
I'll do natural means. But I mean so, I said, well,
what does that mean? They said, look, we think we
can go for the cure on this one because they
tell you right up front, we're going to do what
we can to extend your life with me, they said,
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And I peeked at the clipboard and it said curative.
All the treatments were curative, not palliative, not life extent,
but just curative, they kept saying curative.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
So I was happy and sad.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
First of all, when you hear stats like about seatbelts
and about accidents and about being hit by a drunk
driver or cancer, you never put yourself in those stats, right.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I never did. Did you ever just say? That's? You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
When we hear about stats about plane crash, about anything,
we never really put ourselves in the situation.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I was a bis And by the way, it's not
crazy not to in the sense that an incredibly tiny
number of people are ever actually impacted by plane crashes
or lightning, right or even pan grab That's right.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
So I put myself as a bystander in life. I
would watch people get diseases, I would watch people get hurt.
I would, and I was I was empathetic, but I
never It's a weird situation. We never put ourselves in
the spot. Like when someone loses a child, we think,
oh my god, we know how terrible it is, but
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we don't really think necessarily of that ever happening to us.
And that's how it is with cancer. People hear about
cancer all the time, but you never think I'm gonna
get cancer and so having cancer just change everything.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I called my early morning talks.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I always used to call the mirror talks, where I
would be shaving, getting ready in the morning and thinking
about the day ahead, and I thought about absolute bull crap.
I mean, just stupid things like I'm going to make
sure I do this, I'm gonna hit this hard, I'm
going to talk to that client. I'm gonna you know,
I don't know what so and so meant by that email,
you know what I mean, just weird crap.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I mean, honest to god, I wasted my time while
I'm shaving looking at myself talking.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
And then when you have cancer, and the mirror talk
is you're going to get through this day.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Man, You're going to get through it. You're you're gonna
deal with it.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Because even with a great diagnosis, thank god I had one,
I'm not going to tell you I did anything. People say,
what a heroic Barrett battle. You beat it ross the diagnosis,
beat it. I got it in time. And so then
from January second to April twenty eighth, I had chemo
and it shrunk it even.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
More when was the surgery to remove it? To twenty
eighth had chemo before surgery. Yes, after and after they
removed it. It was a whipple procedure.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Twenty percent of my pancres, twenty percent of my stomach,
twenty percent of my colon taken out.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
So you see I lost fifty plus. Why did they
have to resect colon?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
And see, you would think with such a great diagnosis,
just the tumor, why don't they just do this?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Why don't they just dissect.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
The tumor right, just take because they will not with
pancretic Pancredic cancer is known to be so aggressive, so
they take what they call margins, okay, and they go outside.
But they confirmed it wasn't spread and so in fact,
it's just amazing. They took forty five lymphones but they
didn't have to. I mean there would and then they
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would test them, test them, test them. So they got
such big margins like with skin cancer when they take
out of growth, they go outside. So they got my margins.
They thought I might be diabetic. Guess what, my pancreas
is creating insulin. I'm not even diabetic. So I had
one of the best outcomes you can have. And at
the end of my chemo, which I had five afterwards,
so a total of ten. It's knocking the hell out
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of me. My last one was last Friday, a week ago.
I'm still feeling the effects of it. And as I
get on and I'm going to get stronger and stronger,
but he's such it was a weird letdown. I said, well,
now what and they said, well, now you live, you know,
and I went, god, I mean it's after fighting, fighting, fighting,
fighting fighting, meaning you know, fighting, the knowledge of fighting,
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the weakness, fighting, the fluless symptoms coming. I was still
doing my radio show, except Mark would do it about
three or four times a week now, and then I
would every other week. When I was actually in infusion,
I couldn't do it. So anyway, that's the story. I'm
not heroic, but I thank God for the diagnosis. Again,
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that's a weird one too, because people say, oh a lot,
you got cancer.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Why you think God for the diagnosed? I don't know.
I don't look at I.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
First of all, I just feel like I was fortunate
and it breaks my heart. And so many pancreatic patients
have contacted me and said what did you do, as
if I did something, and I said, I didn't do
anything except went to the doctor the UCAL team.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
So being who I.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Am, I don't mean a celebrity, I mean an anal researcher.
I consulted Mayo M. D Anderson, Sloan Kettering, and I
wanted to know would you do it this way? They
said to me, you will never get better care than
at U SEE Health and your doctor, Richard Shulick, the surgeon,
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is one of the premier surgeons in the country. So
that's another thing. We're fortunate. You understand that people come
from all over to go to UC Health.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I didn't realize that I didn't either.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
All of this stuff is you know, now, when I
hear somebody's father or uncle or somebody has cancer and
they're going through chemo, does my heart go out to them?
And I'm going to be starting a small support group
for non medical questions because ross you have a million
non medical questions when you're on chemo, like about eating
and about drinking, about this, about that, not medical at all,
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but there really is no one to call. And so
I'm not the first one to think of this. There
are a lot of people doing it around the country.
And I came up with the name chemo Sabby's and
again somebody else did that back east. But I want
to just have a number of people can call just
to talk, because at night when I would have the
neuropathy in my hands felt like they were they were big,
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they were giant, and I get near stuff and it
would tingle and hurt, and all I wondered, Hey, is
this normal? And again it's just it's just that I'm here,
and I thank God for it, and I just don't
know why, but it turned out the way it did.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
If you're just joining we're talking with Tom Martinez, I'm
sure you recognize the voice running radio host in America
now and survived pancreatic cancer because of just the incredible
fortunate circumstance of the cancer showing up in a way
that caused symptoms immediately, which.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Normally doesn't know rually it doesn't happen the head of
the pancreas usually when they're in.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
The belly or on the tail.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
It takes sometimes years, really years to show up. And
everyone says, why don't we all just get screened, and
we should. There should be with a wellness check, some
kind of cancer screening. And I really believe that because
you can catch stuff sooner than later, and that would
be screening is the number.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
And I have to be screened now.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I'm going to be screened every three months, and then
every six months, then once a year. Because pancreatic cancer
is known to want to come back.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
That's why we attacked it like we did. Right. And
a friend of mine is a doctor, is telling me
about a new I don't remember the name of it,
but a new blood test that cancer screening and acting
for pancreatic.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Well, I'll be doing that. Then there's something else I'm
getting enrolled. I'm trying to get enrolled in. I'm working
with my people. Yeah, it's called the mRNA vaccine. The
guy that developed mRNA did not do it for COVID.
He did it for cancer. His idea was to program
the vaccine to detect cancer cells and then trigger the
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spike protein, which triggers your T cells, which then kills
the cancer. Now, your T cells should automatically do that anyway,
but it's early detection, earlier than your own T cells
would find him. Now, when when the Trump administration, one
of the doctors, when they heard about this research, they said,
why can't you identify it for the virus? And do
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the same thing. And that's what they did. They took
the mRNA technology, which is wonderful. It got a black eye,
but it's wonderful technology for what it was meant for.
So I'm going to try to get enrolled in that
I think are now beta or clinical trials for what though,
because your cancer free now. Yeah, but here's what is for.
Here's what is for. You take the vaccine once a year,
(27:09):
I believe. And what it does is it detects if
a cell pops up. So if a cell pops up,
who knows ross, No one's perfect. If a cell popped
up in my lungs because one got away, even after
all the chemo, it will detect it. The spike protein
will be spiked, the T cells will attack it. And
(27:31):
they've done these tests and listen to this. They can
track how many times the spike protein went to work.
And they have had pancreatic cancer patients unlike me, people
who had it spread.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
And then they did chemo.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
They had pancreatic cancer patients living way beyond five years.
I don't know how long they've been doing it, but
they say it's a remarkable drug.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Wow. Yeah, I was thinking of something when you were
talking about talking to yourself in the mirror before and
after the diagnosis. Yeah, I heard a great line one
time that I think applies so well to the kinds
of conversations you were having and most of us have
pre your diagnosis. You get focused on things, not just you.
We get focused on things that are urgent but not important, right,
(28:13):
not a great line that isn't that is a great
urgent but not important. I mean, I can't believe some
of the stuff I lamented over. I can't even believe it.
And so let's let's stick with this for a second,
so separate from the medical and the follow up or
lack of hopefully lack of follow up that you will
that you will need. How do you think going through
this has changed you? Oh my god, I am so
(28:34):
much more empathetic.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
When people tell me they have anything, I realize they're
in disease.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
You know, with disease.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I mean, no matter what, it's important to them, and
I get in their shoes and think, what can we
do to help you? Is there anything we can do?
Or I just listen to them? So that's one way.
Another way is I don't sweat the small stuff anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I just I had no love. My wife and I
have a joke. It's a joke.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
She she's had some some like leg vein surgery and stuff,
not surgery, but some of the injections sometimes. And one
time she had a bit of a black and blue
and she goes, oh, this is so sore.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
And I said to her, I'm so sorry you're going
through that.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
And she says, oh, come on, because I'll say I'll
say things like that as a joke because of what
I was. I'm sitting there post chemo. You know, I'm
sick as a dog. And I say to her, I'm
so sorry you're going through that. And I smile and
she goes, come on, now, you know. And and so
it's like a little joke we have, or I say
to people, it ain't cancer, you know. With my friends,
(29:39):
I say, look in the mirror, Look in the mirror
right now. You know that problem you're having with Jones
and so and so at work, it ain't cancer.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
So it changed me.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
And also here's how else it did made me a
bit more paranoid in saying, wait a minute, statistics can can.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Apply to me. Right, So when I take my helicopter
out of the airplane.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I think, wait a minute, yesis six can apply you
do everything in your power to be proactive.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Really that really, that is probably.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
The number one thing statistics apply to me, because we
listen to statistics and death tolls and news all the time.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
As a bystander, it's a great point. And you know,
as a math nerd, I'll focus on something else here too.
So statistics can apply to you. Did apply to you
in a negative way as far as being part of
the very very small percentage of people that gets pan
created cancer, and then in a positive way and being
in the small, small, small fraction of those who get
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a version of it. It just gets caught early and
is curable. Right. But one of the interesting things, and
you see this in politics with political polling, you see
it in all kinds of things. People will take either
large probabilities and think of them as being one hundred
percent even though they're now that's right. And they will
take small probabilities and think of them as zero percent
even there even though they're not. And think about you.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
On the right, when you hear ninety seven percent, you're
hearing everyone to the one thinks it's one hundred one dies.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Everyone dies, and you're in the three percent and that
and when you think about it this way, right, three
people think of three percent as zero, but it's not zero.
Just the same way like in politics, people thought like
Hillary Clinton was sixty percent to win, they thought it
meant one hundred percent. That's exactly right. But if you
take a thousand people and there's a three percent chance,
if you take a thousand people, there's thirty of those
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people in the thousand, you can have a good story
and that is not zero. That is a good point.
You're right.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
When we hear eighty percent, we don't hear eighty percent.
Eighty percent of you are gonna, you know, do this
or do that. We think of it as everyone, right,
We never think of us being in the minority.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Right, But it's not. And the difference is enormous.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
As you're living living proof of even lightning strikes.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
So I look at lightning differently.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I'm really serious when I tell you that stats do
apply to me.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I am not above it all. Wow, So you're kind
of skinny. I'm guessing a lot of that is from
some would be for the surgery, but I'm guessing most
is from chemo, right, fifty pounds. So now you just
do you have any diet restrictions or just change you're
making voluntarily to your diet, And how are you going
to get like strong? And I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I don't have a gall bladder, and I lost a
part of my stomach at pancreas and and and call it.
So here's what I do. You eat small meals more often.
In fact, other than the cancer part of it, it's
forcing you to be healthy. It's forcing you because you
can't tolerate bad food. You can't tolerate it. So I'm
just going to eat well. I'm going to eat small
(32:36):
meals more often as I have been doing. And then
but I don't want to gain all my weight back anyway.
I mean in a strange way, it's for me to
reset at a different point. And they said I'll never
get back to where I was anyway. And I worked
out three times a week. Now I'm only doing once
a week. So I'm going to get back to that
(32:57):
as I so as I gain weight back, it's not
going to just be seventy one year old flab.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Tel Martino is host of The Troubleshooter Show on our
sister station six thirty k HOW each weekday from ten
am to two pm. He is the longest running host
a talk show host in the entire country who's on
the air right now. And gosh, I'm just so grateful
to be able to sit here and talk to you
and hear you.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I mean, I love doing it, and the reason I
do it is not to toot my own horn, but
to tell people listen, you know, you got to be
in it to win it. Even those who's had there
have been people ross really with stage two and three
with the pancreatic cancer.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
That have beaten it.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Really, I mean, it doesn't have to be one or
pre stage one.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
There have been people.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I know my mother in law fourth four stage colon
cancer Colin. She had surgery and some chemo thirty years
or thirty five years ago, cancer free.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Wow, never came back stage four.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
You see again, when we here stage four, we hear
you're a goner. Yeah, but there are outliers, and that's
what I want people to do, to be the outlier.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Thanks so much for spending some time with us. Tom,
Thank you very much. We'll take a quick break. We'll
be right back on KAWA. And I'm just so grateful
the fact that I can sit here and talk with
my friend and longtime colleague Tom Martine because I did
the morning show over on kihow for six years, and
when I would be finishing is when he would be
coming in. I saw him almost every day, known him
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for a long time. And you know, when I first
heard a diagnosis of pancreatic cancer, you know, having been
through that in my family with my father in law,
who was dead six weeks after being diagnosed, I thought
I was almost more than I wanted to think about.
But I heard some good things like Okay, this maybe
is not that bad a situation, and and but I
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didn't I didn't ever go talk to him about it
because I'm kind of superstitious, and I just didn't want
to be in a situation to say something like, you know,
I'm hearing good things or it sounds like you're gonna
be okay. I just I know it's dumb, Like I
get it, it's dumb, but I just I didn't want
to say, oh, you know, it sounds like you're gonna
(35:12):
be fine, you understand, And then he drops dead two
weeks later. Yeah, because of what happened to my father
in law, I just so I didn't say anything to
him about it. It was on my mind a lot.
I didn't say anything to him about it until today.
It was the first time I talked to him about
it now that he's cancer free and done with chemo.
It's just an incredible thing.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
And for those who are listening live right now, i'll
have up in about twenty minutes. For those listening on
the podcast, guess what, it's.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Already there, already there. So all right, let's do a
couple other things, just some random, some random stuff. I
do want to let you know in the next couple
of segments of the show. I've got some interesting guests.
I'm gonna share with you my interview that I recorded
yesterday of the Denver Broncos punter who's from Australia. So
he's actually the only Broncos player I asked to interview
(35:59):
who only to interview the punter, but I did because
he's from Australia. So I'm gonna have that for you.
At some point during the show today, I will have
a pair of tickets to give away to tomorrow night's
Broncos Cardinals preseason game. A you sure, I am sure,
Dave texted me. I realized you had the same quandary
I did. Do we have a bear to give away
or not? And we do, so we'll do that at
(36:20):
some point during the show. The other thing you need
to know, at some point during today's show, we'll be
doing today's entries into our Flat Irons Fire giveaway. What
Flat Irons Fire is giving away is a gorgeous barbecue
grill called a Phantom Prestige five hundred. It's made by
a company called Napoleon, which is the same brand of
(36:41):
barbecue grill I bought for myself. And we'll be doing
a total of twelve entries over four weeks, and then
we'll have a drawing so that whoever gets the entries
has a pretty decent chance one out a twelve chance
of winning this twenty six hundred dollars barbecue grill. So
we'll be doing today's entries a little bit later in
the show. I think I'm sure actually that Gina mentioned
(37:05):
this on Colorado's Morning News a couple of days ago,
but I hadn't mentioned it yet, so I thought I would.
It's kind of wacky and dragon I would like to
know if you would if you would be interested in
trying this, and I don't know where we will be
able to get it because it's being rolled out in
Pittsburgh and not yet here, so I don't know when
it's going to be coming out here. But Heines, you know,
(37:27):
the Ketchup company food company, Heins are based in Pittsburgh,
and they are putting out a Ketchup smoothie in partnership
with Smoothie King, And what's in it is Heines's simply Ketchup.
So that's a version of Heinz's Ketchup that has a
very limited number of ingredients in it, fewer ingredients in
the regular Ketchup Heinz Simply Ketchup sie soorbet apple juice,
(37:53):
strawberries and raspberries. And according to Axios, the limited run
drink is designed to supper prize skeptics with a sweet
and fruity flavor and a tangy ketchup finish. According to
the companies, the VP of Marketing over at Kraft Heines
because Kraft bought Hines so it says the idea of
a ketchup smoothie is provocative, and our top priority was
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landing a delicious tasting fruit smoothie with distinct yet well
balanced ketchup notes, And you are well aware that Heines
has forever with this ketchup had on the label fifty
seven varieties, so they made the price of it five
dollars and seventy cents, so like fifty seven with another
(38:37):
another zero on the end. So Dragon, would you like
to try one of these?
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Only if we can also have what was advertised roughly
around this same time, the breast milk ice cream? What
you didn't hear about that one, because they were two
big stories.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Almost did not hear that. Don't want to try it?
Speaker 4 (38:52):
No, you want to try it. It doesn't have any
actual breast milk in it. They just claim that it
tastes like breast milk. So if we're going to do one.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Someone must have some adult must have gone to taste
breast milk then and then try and then come up
with some you know, sweet cream ice cream something or
other that tastes like breast milk at the time. Did
you ever? Did I ever?
Speaker 5 (39:15):
Did I?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I'm sure your wife bread breastfed your Oh do you
ask me if I tasted breast milk when my wife
was breastfeeding our children? Are you asking me that question?
On the air in public where everybody, like ten thousand
people just heard you ask me that question. Yeah, I
think the answer is no, although I wouldn't have put
it beyond me to try to do it, like I
(39:37):
think everybody's got that curiosity, so right, I think, oh right,
so you're saying I definitely wouldn't have done it if
it weren't straight from the source, because straight from the
source is the only thing that makes it fun, right. No,
it's not like I would have gone to get up
like and could they pumped the stuff and they store
(39:58):
it so all. I never know. I definitely did not
taste any of that. I either would have tasted it
straight from the source or not at all. And I
don't I actually don't remember, because we're talking about almost
twenty years ago now, and I don't did you.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
I'm sure there must have been at some point time.
It's you know, twenty five years for me. Yeah, I
don't know. Do I have interest in tasting? Was it
ice cream or sorbet ice cream? Ice cream that tastes
like breast milk? And which do we think which would
be better? The ketchup smoothie, yeah, or the breast milk
ice cream.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I think the Ketchup smoothie would be better. Yeah, yeah,
I did. I'd like to try the ketchup smoothie. I'm
not sure that I want to try the new pickle
swashy at Sonic. It's called pickle rit It's like pickle
juice and lime juice. Oh that Sonic has. I'm interested
in tasting it. I am interested in tasting it, but
I have a feeling the best of the three would
(40:52):
be the ketchup smoothie. All right, let's ask listeners which
one of these do you most want to try? Breast
milk flavored ice cream and that does not actually contain
breast milk ketch up smoothie. I'm guessing by the way
that there's just a very tiny amount of ketchup in it,
and it mostly tastes like a fruit smoothie, and then
it'll have a hint of a ketchup aftertaste. That's my guess. Okay,
(41:12):
But do you want to taste breast milk flavored ice cream,
ketch up smoothie, or a pickle lime juice slushy. Those
are your choices, Those apparently are all available. I didn't
know about the breast milk one, and I'm not that
interested in it. But maybe I'll try the smoothie and
you try the ice cream and then we can report
back on them.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
It's from Sonic, and the Sonic does hot dogs. Yeah,
typically there is the sweet relish on hot dogs, so
they use the what was it? The sweet pickle is
pulling a pickle juice, So it's a dill pickle a
sweet pickle, because that makes a world of difference things. Oh, yeah,
I'll do the dill pickle. Yeah, but the sweet pickle, I'm.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Gonna have to look that up. Maybe somebody can look
that up for a dragon. What kind of pickle slash
pickle juice is Sonic using in this new pickle rita
slushy drink? Because Dragon is saying he'll he'll try it
if it's the deal, and he won't try it if
it's the sweet correct, I won't want to do You
don't want to try it. You might be talked in
to trying it, right if we do it on the air.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
As a stunt, now, yeah, right, Okay, I may pick
up one of these on the way to work one
day soon, assuming they make them in the morning and
breakfast hours when I'm when I'm coming over, I may
try to get one of those one of those pickle slushies.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
The thing with the with the catch up smoothie is
I don't know if it's ever going to get to Denver,
but I would I would like to try it if
it did. All right, those were some very important questions.
Ponder those for a bit. Text us your thoughts at
five six, six nine zero and we'll be right back.
I'm gonna share with you an interview that I actually
recorded yesterday just after Broncos training camp practice. We waited
(42:46):
around for Sean Payton to get through his much longer
than usual answers to questions with reporters. Actually there was
a lot of interesting stuff there. A Rod had the
best question and the best answer any of the reporters
who asked Sean Payton anything yesterday, which was pretty cool.
So I got the chance to interview the Broncos new punter.
His name is Graham Jeremy Crosshaw and he's actually the
(43:08):
only Broncos player that's so far I've asked to interview
this year because he's from Australia and I used to
live in Australia and I married in Australia, and I
just think it's kind of cool. So here's the conversation.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
All right, I'm here with the man, the mustache, the legend,
Jeremy Crosshaw, the only Denver Bronco player. I asked the
interview because he's from Australia, where I lived for a
long time.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
It's really good to meet you.
Speaker 6 (43:29):
Thanks so much for taking a couple of minutes. All Right,
I'm gonna ask some ridiculous questions and then maybe some
not ridiculous questions. Laura or Katoomba if you had to
go for a weekend, Laura or Katoomba in the Blue Mountains, Yes.
Speaker 7 (43:42):
Sir, I lived near. I was probably about ten minutes
away from Kasumba when I grew up.
Speaker 6 (43:47):
That's why I yeah, yeah, by Emil Plains.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yes, Oh my gosh. So when you were a.
Speaker 6 (43:53):
Kid, did you play rugby?
Speaker 7 (43:56):
If so, what kind of rugby? I played rugby League.
It's a different version than the that I think Americans
think of. I played that for probably almost ten years
when I was a kid. Then I had a couple
of years off and I switched over to AFL, which
is more the kicking version. That's kind of where the
punning things started to take over.
Speaker 6 (44:11):
So I might be the only radio guy you've talked
to here who's been to a Sydney Swans game.
Speaker 8 (44:15):
You go, I love the Swans.
Speaker 6 (44:18):
Did you ever think you were gonna I mean, what
were your aspirations as a kid with sports? Did you
think you're going to be a professional athlete?
Speaker 8 (44:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (44:24):
I was always pretty talented at sports, was usually quicker
than the other kids, and so I loved playing sports.
And I was like the local team for us was
the Penrith Panthers, the rugby league team, and so I
just always wanted to play for them when I was
a kid.
Speaker 8 (44:35):
You know, I grew up.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
I was at church with one of the wingers that
played for the team, and I knew a lot of
the guys just growing up, and I always wanted to
be a rugby league player, but kind of just went
looking for other things found AFL. Started a little too
late to play that professionally, although I feel like I
had the skills to do well there. But yeah, I
kind of just found pro kick in American football and
loved it.
Speaker 6 (44:56):
So how did you find American football?
Speaker 9 (44:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (45:00):
I was kind of just like, what do I want?
Speaker 7 (45:01):
To do after school, and so that was one of
the things that I just went searching online and kind
of stumbled across Proking Australia's website and I was like,
that sounds awesome. Why not go to America for a
couple of years and just give that a crack, you know,
And so I did, and I found Nathan Chapman and
got in contact with him, and after I finished high school,
I moved down there and did the program.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
And here you are here Denver Bronco.
Speaker 8 (45:24):
Yeah, awesome, Yeah it is.
Speaker 6 (45:26):
How do you feel about Denver? Is you know anything
about Denver? Like just emotionally like, how was.
Speaker 8 (45:31):
This for you? Oh? This is absolutely dream come true?
Speaker 7 (45:33):
You know, out of all the teams that they had
an NFL wall in Florida and I always looked at
the Denver Bronco and I you know, I loved Colorado
before I came here. I just thought Colorado was a
beautiful spot. I originally wanted to go to see you,
but went to Florida instead.
Speaker 8 (45:49):
Loved it there, but you know, I love it.
Speaker 7 (45:52):
I'm so lucky to be here part of this organization
and there's something special brewing here.
Speaker 6 (45:56):
So I probably should ask you one football question at least.
So you just got in your first game, preseason game.
What was different about that from what you expected? Obviously
you played a lot of football, but first NFL thing
must be pretty special.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Yeah, and how did it surprise you with it all?
Speaker 8 (46:11):
Honestly, it didn't surprise me a whole lot.
Speaker 7 (46:13):
I think, you know, the operations and the schemes are
a lot simpler, but everyone's just really really good at
what they do, very detailed. So honestly, it wasn't anything crazy.
I think now learning some different stadiums and how the
wins work in those standums.
Speaker 8 (46:29):
You know, I played five years.
Speaker 7 (46:30):
In the SEC, so I played each place twice, sometimes
three times, so you understand the wind, you know how
to hit the ball there, right, But when you go
into a new stadium like that, the win was a challenge,
and it definitely challenged me. It wasn't my best performance,
but it's a learning experience. That's what the preseason games
are for, and so I'm lucky that I had that experience.
A bit of a humbling experience for sure. Yeah, but
we fixed it up for this week and we're hitting
(46:51):
the ball really well, so I'm really looking forward to
playing at home.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
You're even as a rookie, everyone's noticing your hangtime. Is
that something you think you got from somehow different training
growing up in Australia with the rugby or more even
with the AFL kind of game.
Speaker 7 (47:07):
Yeah, maybe AFL is all about touch and having that
feel on the ball and being held to manipulate a
little different than other can so potentially, but it's something. Yeah,
I definitely work very hot on even away from the building.
Speaker 8 (47:19):
I'm still doing ball.
Speaker 7 (47:19):
Drops in my living room and you know, it takes
a lot of effort to be to be good at
this position.
Speaker 8 (47:24):
So I probably.
Speaker 6 (47:25):
Shouldn't ask you this because of your age, but I
will great Northern VB or four X.
Speaker 8 (47:31):
I was a cult and dry guy. Oh okay, let that.
Speaker 6 (47:34):
Yeah, okay, I know a lot of people of these
are Australian beers. By the way, I should have been
looking at the camera more, but these are Australian beers.
Speaker 8 (47:40):
Uh huh.
Speaker 7 (47:41):
Yeah, So it's a bit of polarizing that one.
Speaker 8 (47:43):
A lot of guys like, what are you? What do
you like that? I don't know, I just do it
is it is what it is. Well, I'm gonna let
you go.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Thanks so much, it's a pleasure to meet you.
Speaker 6 (47:50):
Welcome to Colorado, Welcome to the Denver Broncos and uh stroof.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Which is one of my favorite os Hi whacky Little
in review. You can tell I'm not a sports interviewer.
That was a lot of fun. I suppose maybe I
should ask you a football question. Yeah, I enjoy I
enjoyed meeting the guy, and I will say, you know,
I asked him that question about what beer he likes.
Americans don't quite get this, but in Australia, your your
choice of beer says a lot about you more than
(48:16):
it does here. You know, you'll find some people here
who drink Cores, corps Light, bud Light, whatever. But over there,
like you'll get into huge arguments based on which which
beer you like. If Fosters will be fine, Oh my god, no,
Oh my gosh, no, Foster Foster's is Australians don't really
drink it, but it's Australian. It's Australian, but Australians don't
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really drink it. And if you go over there and
ask for Fosters, they're gonna know you're a you're a tourist,
s or a rookie or something. It's not really a thing.
You can find it, but they don't. They don't, they
don't drink it. Okay, I'll tell you what I wanna.
I want to do right now. Actually, i'm gonna I'm
gonna make you wait a bit when we come back. Sorry,
I'm gonna make you wait when when we come back,
(48:59):
I am going to give away a pair of tickets
to Saturday evenings. Normally I don't give you this exact
a clue as to when I'm gonna do it. I'm
telling you I'm gonna do it. As soon as we
come back from this break. I'm gonna give away a
pair of tickets to Saturday nights Broncos Cardinals preseason game
where you will probably see Jeremy Crosshaw kickup punt or two.
(49:19):
And yeah, we'll do it right after this. All right,
Dragon just played the waiting by Tom Petty, and I'm
gonna make Dragon explain explain why. So I promised you
at the end of the last segment of the show
that as soon as we came back, we were gonna
do the giveaway for the Broncos Cardinals Saturday night preseason
game at Empower Field. At mile High. Before Dragon explains
(49:41):
to you why he played that music and how we're
gonna do the giveaway, let me make sure you know
that you're also gonna have an opportunity to wear to
win tickets on Koa's Instagram page, Instagram dot com slash
Koa Colorado on on our X page X dot com
slash Koa Colorado. So if you don't win with me
or over the air with some of our other folks,
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you can you can try those ways. And then today
from three pm to six pm during KOA Sports, We're
gonna be giving away a pair every hour, so plenty
of ways to win tickets to Saturday night's game. I'm
actually going taking my taking my son a rare opportunity
to do something with my son. I couldn't believe he
said yes that he wanted to do something with me.
So that's that's pretty awesome. So I want to give
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away a pair of tickets, but the Boss and I
want look, look, I wanted to make this really easy.
I wanted to give everybody who's listening a pair of tickets.
That's how nice a person I am. But my boss
is a bit of a hard ass, as you would
expect from a you know, a bald bearded Viking, kind
of a tough guy and doesn't doesn't want things to
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be that easy for you. And I just I do
what I'm told. I do what I'm told because I
know I know who's who's in charge. I know who
is the guy behind the guy behind the guy. So Dragon,
why don't you tell people you have in your managerial
authority decided?
Speaker 4 (51:04):
Well, I do want it to be easy, but I
don't want it to be that easy. I still want
it to be hard. So I want to make sure
that you really want to go to this game. So
I want to be Text number three at five six,
six nine zero, Just say Broncos tickets or tickets give
your full name, first and last name and your email
address in ten minutes. So give a specific time ten
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forty seven seventeen, ten forty seven and seventeen seconds.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
So that's what Dragon is doing, is even though I
promised I would give them away right away, he is
making you wait. And he's very proud of himself, all right.
Texture number three at ten forty seven and seventeen seconds.
And you have to include some reference to wanting tickets.
It's not it doesn't matter how that's worded, your name
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and your email address. It's easy. It's easy. You just
have to have a little delayed satisfaction. As as Tom
Petty said, the waiting is the hardest, just hard. Remember
just nine yeah, coming up on, coming up on nine minutes.
So all right, there's that. And like I said, if
you don't win this pair of tickets, go to x
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(52:15):
You can win tickets there and we're gonna give away
a pair an hour during KOA Sports from three pm
to six pm today. Uh so, look to the person
who just texted in. You have to pay attention to
the rules, right we said ten minutes. I'll tell you
what though, since this was just a mistake, I will
let you dragon. If this person texting again on time,
(52:38):
we'll let him write. So this is another thing you need.
You need to know if you if you're new to
the show, you might not heard this before. The Kevin rule.
The Kevin rule, and that is that you may not
text in more than once on any particular giveaway. Right
because we say texture number three And then sometimes we
get people who spam us with with eight texts in
(52:59):
a eight seconds trying to be texture number three. So
if you do that, if you text in more than once,
all of your texts will be ignored, all right, and
just so everybody knows how we manage this, right, So
let's say, let's say Joe is texture number one, Bob
is texture number two, Jill is texted. No, let's say
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Bob is texture number two, Jill is texture number three.
Then Bob again is texture number four. Bye Bob. So
the question then, Jasper Jasper dragon. Do we count Bob's
first text at all even toward the count, so that
is the third person is the third text, or still
the third textor and so Bob is ineligible but still
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goes towards the count. Or do we pretend that didn't
even happen and the person who was the third texture
becomes the second texture At that point, Bob still has
to count, because then doing the math on that end
is going to be far too hard, especially if multiple
people send in multiple texts, right, and then count it
backwards and everything, so that would still count.
Speaker 4 (54:06):
But you are you can't. We're still disqualified. Even if
you are happen to be okay, correct and to.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
The person who just texted in with a phone number
that ends with four nine, you can you can try
again at the appropriate time. We dragon, I had a
let me let me find this here. Uh, here's the text.
I work at Sonic. The pickle rita is made with grillos, pickles,
and juice. You either love it or hate it. Swing
by and try our dill seasoned tots or fries along
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with our dill smasher burger. So there you go, free
advertising for Sonic because a Sonic employee is listening to
the show and texted in, very well done to whoever
you are. What dill tots bill? You know? I gotta
say I am not much of a dill flavored guy,
you know. I'm like, for example, if I order a burger,
(54:57):
I will always order it with no pickles on it. Now,
if you give me a really good quality dill pickle
spear on the side, I'll eat it. But I don't
like pickles on my burger. Chick fil A, what about it?
They put the pickles on it the Chick fil A sandwich. Ye,
no pickles, no pickles ever on a sandwich. I just
don't like the flavor. It's too. I don't know, it's
(55:17):
too sour. It doesn't it doesn't blend with the with
the overall gestalt of the sandwich. You know, it's just
not it's not my thing. It's not it's not my thing, right,
what can I tell you?
Speaker 3 (55:30):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Look, here's another person texting in too early. Yes, it's
true that that that the Broncos and the Cardinals are
not playing their starters in this preseason game. That's okay.
I just love being at the stadium and an opportunity
to do something with my kid, and I'm just happy
to be there. And actually, as a Broncos fan, yeah, okay,
(55:51):
you want to see the famous players, the big money players,
you want to see the starters. I get that, But
in the preseason it's actually, I think as a football fan,
as a Broncos fan, it's for interesting to be able to, uh,
to watch some of the guys who right now are
on the bubble, are trying to make the team or
trying to make another team, or trying to make the
practice squad or trying to make something, and they're they're
(56:13):
gonna get out there, and you know, and the all
of these guys like, look, the worst player on the
field tomorrow is a better athlete than I ever was
on my best day, not like by by by miles
and miles, like, it's not close. It's so I'm I'm
happy to see any of this, And I don't mind
that they're that they're not playing their stars. Yeah, okay,
(56:35):
I'd like to see the stars, but I also don't
mind not and I'm just gonna be I'm just gonna
be happy to be there. All right, let's do something
completely different. So, as you well know, I studied foreign
policy in college. I studied Soviet politics, uh, Chinese politics,
nuclear strategy, national security, and and you know that, especially
as local radio talk hosts go in this country, is
(56:57):
probably not very many people who are more interesting and
foreign policy questions. And probably, frankly pat myself on the
back a little, probably not a lot of local radio
talk show hosts who who are better at this stuff.
But there's still a lot I don't know. And it's
not like I watch this every day. And right now,
well not right now, but in about three hours, President
Trump is going to be meeting with Russian dictator President
(57:20):
Vladimir Putin for well, they're gonna have some kind of
conversation that President Trump hopes will lead to a cessation
of hostilities. I don't know, but I wanted to have
someone on the show who knows a lot more than
I do and has been around the situation and has
been around the players, and has been around all of this,
and so I'm very pleased to have Kevin Sarelli joining
(57:41):
the show. He is the founder of a very cool
substack called Meet the Future. Right MTF dot tv is
one website you can find in or Meet the Future
dot substack dot com. And Kevin was the chief Washington
correspondent for Bloomberg TV and Radio, one of the first
journalists who was covering Donald Trump when he started running
(58:04):
for president in twenty fifteen, and he was actually at
the Hellsinki summat in twenty eighteen that had its own controversies,
that summit between Trump and Putin. So Kevin, welcome to Koway.
Thanks for making time for us, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 10 (58:19):
And I'm familiar with your show and I'm truly there
is no one better in the country who knows these topics,
so hopefully I can learn from you as well. So
thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
All Right, sorry, but I just have to ask, how
the heck are you familiar with my show? And why
I try to google?
Speaker 10 (58:36):
I try to google before I go on. Uh huh,
I like the I don't like to go on programs
if I don't know the shifts of what I'm getting
myself into.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
All Right, I've learned the hard way guy who does
his homework very good. Okay, So I've got many questions,
so we'll just jump into some of them in no
particular order. What do you think President Trump's true goal
is today? Maybe an achievable goal for today.
Speaker 10 (59:03):
Good guide toward peace, and a piece that maintains US
interests for decades to come. And the reason I say
that is because I remember being in Helsinki in twenty
eighteen covering Trump and Putin in the meeting, and it
was a very different President Trump in the sense that
this is someone who faced a lot of domestic questions
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about his relationship with Russia. Fast forward to twenty twenty five,
and this is an emboldened president who is meeting with
I would describe a thug Vladimir Putin. Then Putin is
incredibly weak right now. He's weak in the sense that
he grossly miscalculated his egregious war with Ukraine. They have
lost more than one million lives. Russian lives lost one million.
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I mean, if there's one number I hope people remember today,
it's that when you're listening to Vladimir Putin later this afternoon,
or you're watching him on the news, that's the guy
who cost his country a million lives so that he
invade Ukraine. Ukrainians have lost more than one hundred thousand lives.
So that's what's happening on the hot warfront. Then you
look at the economic war, the economic war, and regardless
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of whether you're a supporter or the detractor of President Trump,
the US has been somewhat emphasis on somewhat consistent in
the sanctions that they have navigated in appro and heart
and waging against Moscow. The US, I would argue, is
winning the economic war because we are an economic war
with Russia. And the third point, as it relates to
the digital and I spent a lot of time on
(01:00:32):
the future and the future economies and whatnot, and that
is genuinely what I love to cover. The third front
is on this for the future. If we all remember
the disastrous Oval Office meeting between Zelensky and Trump, right,
we can it all went viral and there was a
disaster and blah blah blah blah blah. But what happened
after that meeting was that there was a lot of
(01:00:52):
discussions that I'm calling the pre deal, which is about
how the United States is signaling they're not going anywhere
on the economic front with rare earth minerals in the
reconstruction of Ukraine when there is an inevitable piece, and
as a result of that that on the economic war
is a long term strategic play to protect. Yes, rare
earth minerals, but what did the rare earth minerals build.
(01:01:14):
They build battery for electric vehicles, they build help to
contribute to the semiconductor ships supply chains, and also space satellites,
and I believe face is the final domain, and I
think that space is a huge part of this as well.
Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
So what I'm one of the things I'm wondering about
on the economic warfare thing is We've got all these sanctions,
and we've got these secondary sanctions going with India right now,
which is an interesting play. But my sense is that
even though Russia's economy is struggling, I doubt that there
is any economic pressure that Russia fears other than if
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somehow China were convinced to stop buying Russian energy, and
I think that's close to impossible. So I don't know
what Trump could threaten russa show with that. Putin would
think is a big enough threat for him to back
away from what he considers to be a historical imperative
to recapture Ukraine, which is a place he thinks should
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never have existed as an independent country.
Speaker 10 (01:02:16):
I think it's a great point, and I call them
the totalitarian twins, Shijingping and Vladimir Putin, who, by the way,
are conducting military exercises for the past several months off
the coast of Alaska, which is just a brazen, thuggish
attempt to signal lord knows what. But I do think
that the weakening, if President Trump is able to over
the next year weaken the dynamic between Shijingping and Vladimir Putin,
(01:02:39):
that that overall is in the US best interest. If
any president is able to do that, that is in
the US best interest. But the cozying up of Russia
and China should alarm everyone.
Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Yeah, In terms of your.
Speaker 10 (01:02:51):
Question about the economics of this, totally, totally see what
you're saying, and hear you out.
Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
One thousand percent. But my.
Speaker 10 (01:03:00):
Response to that would be, but there are a lot
of rich oligarchs, thugs who surround Putin and their international
business portfolios, and the pressure that the US is able
to deploy on them, you know, it could put pressure
in by default on Putin. And so I think that
from from the apparatus of like the occipuses tentacles, I
(01:03:23):
think that that that could that could negatively impact Putin
over over the long term.
Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
We're talking with Kevin Sirelli. He's founder of mt F
dot TV's Meet the Future, Meet the Future dot substack
dot com and like I said, MTF dot dot tv.
So it must have been fascinating for you to be
on the ground in Helsinki, and there was a there
was a lot of controversy that came out of that
because I believe that was the meeting where Trump expressed
(01:03:50):
a little more confidence in well, in believing what Vladimir
Putin said versus what his own intelligence agencies said. And
you were talking correctly about how there was this kind
well Trump calls it a witch hunt and really unfair
stuff about Trump that dogged him through his entire first
term based on lies about his involvement with or being
(01:04:13):
a pawn of Russia, and at some points it kind
of seemed like he just wanted to put a thumb
in the eye of the people who were saying that
stuff by pretending to be, you know, tight with Russia,
just to mess with people. Now he's not like that anymore, Kevin,
I think, But still Trump has often seemed like a
guy who was easily manipulated by whoever spoke to him last.
And there's no better manipulator than Vladimir Putin. So how
(01:04:38):
concerned do you think Ukraine and then, by extension, Europe
should be that Putin smooth talks Trump into doing more
or less what Russia wants.
Speaker 10 (01:04:51):
So I made this decision a long time ago, try
to not be the mood reader of Donald Trump, and
I do ever being in Helsinki, and what I remember
is the soccer ball, which is I was dusting off
my notebooks and looking at some old reporting stuff that
I did in prepping for today from the Helsinky summit.
And I don't know if people even remember this, but
(01:05:13):
Putin gifted a soccer ball to Trump, who then tossed
it to Milania in the front row, and yeah, like
that was the whole viral thing and the time that
everybody forgets about as it relates directly to the risk
that President Trump faces and the risk that Putin faces. Look,
there is a significant risk that if President Trump, and
(01:05:34):
he's already forecasted how he would get out of it,
which is that he would just end the meeting immediately.
But if Putin tries to go off the rails, as
his top diplomat did with the former Secretary of State
and the Biden administration in Alaska, where they had a
screaming match for like twenty minutes when they sat down.
I don't know if people remember that, but you can
google it or YouTube and it's riveting to watch diplomacy breakdown.
(01:05:57):
If that were to happen, Trump says that he would
just get up and walk out, and you know that
would signal both in the markets but also geopolitically that
this was a dud. But for Trump, you cannot, I
cannot overstate this. He cannot risk being the commander in
chief and being embarrassed on US soil by a hostile
foreign actor, especially at a military base. Nonetheless, so there
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is significant risk, but there's also a significant opportunity. And
for Putin, you know, he he if he plays his
cards wrong. The White House is indicated that again there's
sanctions or those additional stranglehold of the of the Russian
economy could be something that is on the table within
(01:06:43):
the next twenty four hours. To be honest.
Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
One of the things I wonder about, and I think
it's a long shot, but it's it's popped up in
conversation the past couple of days is the idea of
the US somehow being part of a broader package of
security guarantees for Ukraine, which has always seemed like something
Trump was very very much against, and yet it seems
to be being whispered about.
Speaker 10 (01:07:07):
Yeah, and you're talking about, well, I think the US
is already doing it. I mean, I would even says
I'm being whispered about it. It's being openly discussed. And
I think whether it's a Landslop agreement or concessions for
the rare earth minerals, because that's really again to go
back to the rare earth minerals, the US is playing
a very strategic long game, regardless of political party. I
(01:07:27):
would argue in terms of signaling to the region, the
Europeans and the Ukrainians that as it relates to rare
earth minerals, the US is strategically intertwining itself in the
future of Ukraine's reconstruction. We're not going anywhere, and we
can't go anywhere. All you have to do is look
at history. When a thug like Putin says that he's
(01:07:48):
not going to stop after Ukraine, believe him. Just look
at World War Two and what happened there. But where
I would argue that the US is having our freedom
of speech weaponized against US is on the digital disinformation front.
And I say digital disinformation, I'm not talking about necessarily
the twenty sixteen and I'm not relitigating that. I'm talking
(01:08:10):
about disinformation as it relates to misinformation related to Russia's
war against Ukraine. And we've seen the Chinese deploy this,
the Iranians, and the North Koreans to some extent, and
of course Russia.
Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
And so the digital.
Speaker 10 (01:08:23):
Disinformation campaign that those players that I just articulated, that
they're able to deploy and penetrate our own information ecosystems
of trusted information is something that the US needs to
do a better job descending itself against. So those four domains,
the hot war, economy, the economic warcraft, and disinformation, I
(01:08:47):
think are the four domains that I'm looking at this through.
Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
All Right, we're just about out of time here, Kevin.
So one last question for you. If you were a
betting man, would you bet for or against there being
at least somewhat durable ceasefire in this war by the
end of this year?
Speaker 10 (01:09:06):
Yes, I absolutely would. I think everybody wants peace, and
I'm I'm an optimist, and I think that you know,
I'm I'm I would hope that everybody's rooting for peace.
That the staggering loss of life is truly hard to comprehend.
I just think that it's also important to note that
it's a it's an enduring piece and one that uh
that keeps that check Putin, and that Putin understands that
(01:09:28):
he lost, he lost an incredible amount, And that you
are not going to break up NATO. You are not
even a Ukraine's not in it. But I would argue
in the long run, they're going to be in it,
and and you're not going to break up the US
and our support of Europe.
Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
I'm less optimistic than you are, but I'm going to
hope that you're right and I'm wrong. Kevin Sirelli is
founder of Meet the Future MTF dot tv or Meet
the Future dot substack dot com. Great to have you here, Kevin,
will definitely have you back. Thanks for making touch.
Speaker 10 (01:09:57):
Thank you have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
All right, you too.
Speaker 10 (01:09:59):
Talking about football?
Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
All right, you got it. All right, we'll take a
quick break and we'll be right back on KOA. All right,
very happy to welcome to the show or back to
the show. It's been a long time though, Romi Bean Romie.
I got to know romy a little bit when she
did a lot of radio here at KOA, and from
time to time i'd see her at Broncos games because
she was a Broncos cheerleader as well. She is the
(01:10:21):
lead sports anchor for CBS Colorado. She's the first woman
ever to be a lead sports anchor in Denver, and
she's doing a cool thing tomorrow that I wanted to
give her a chance to talk about on the show. So, Hi, Romey,
it's good to talk to you so roth.
Speaker 11 (01:10:36):
Thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 10 (01:10:37):
It's such a treat.
Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
So tell us about Girls in the Game. What do
people need to know? Where should they go, how do
they do this? What are you talking about? Yeah?
Speaker 11 (01:10:46):
Girls, So Girls in the Game.
Speaker 10 (01:10:47):
It's a free event.
Speaker 11 (01:10:48):
It's from nine to one tomorrow at the University of Denver,
and since schools not in session, there's also free parking
all around the campus, which is good news. You know,
parking is important. But Girls in the Game is designed
to empower young girls, young women to consider a career
in sports, to potentially pursue a career in sports, and
we have got so many incredible organizations who got over
(01:11:10):
forty organizations that are going to be there. Everyone from
your favorite sports teams, the Broncos, the Nuggets, the Rocky, CEU,
cso down the line. We've gotten nonprofits and all sorts
of careers that maybe you didn't even consider. I think
when we started this event, when I was growing up,
I always wanted to pursue something in sports, but I
didn't know what that looked like, and there wasn't really
(01:11:32):
any sort of event available to me where there was
all of these careers in one place, and so we
wanted to create that for whether you're thinking about careers
and you're a younger girl, or you're a woman, or
you're in college. It's kind of designed for all ages.
We've also got sports clinics, So if you're coming and
you got a little sister who's like, I don't care
about careers, that's great. We've got twelve different sports clinics,
(01:11:56):
you know, everything from flag football to fencing. So it's
really designed for anyone of all ages, but really to
maybe tickle your brain to help you find your passion.
And there are so many incredible women that they are
going to be there careers that I didn't even know
existed ross you know, everything from what you think of right,
maybe the front facing media, to so much incredible work
(01:12:17):
behind the scenes, sports medicine, scouting, everything down the line.
So there's a little bit of everything there that maybe
just maybe we'll inspire, inspire someone to find a career
path in sports and get more women involved in the
world of sports.
Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Yeah, and like you said, there's so many different aspects
of potential careers in sports that go beyond just the
first thing that'll come to your mind. Right, it's going
to be a very very minuscule percentage of women or
men who end up being good enough at a sport
to actually be a professional athlete. And it's probably actually
even harder for women, right because they're just you know,
(01:12:51):
fewer professional sports leagues and fewer opportunities there. There's TV
stuff that you get to do. Not very many people
get to do that. What do you just pick, like
one or two other non obvious careers, potential careers in
sports for women that you think might be fascinating.
Speaker 11 (01:13:09):
Yeah, you know, we spoke to I spoke to a
young woman yesterday who is in sports psychology. You know,
growing up I always wanted to study psychology, I never did,
so du is going to have their sports psychology program there.
I think that's such a fascinating different aspects when you
think getting to help athletes on the mental side. I
think Air Force was there last year, they'll be here again,
(01:13:29):
and they have so many incredible jobs that have to
do with athletics but also have to do with you know,
high security and different kind of details like that, which
again are totally connected to the world of sports. You
still get to be part of a team, you still
get to be helping athletes, but something so far off
the spectrum that I would have never thought, Oh, yeah, wow,
(01:13:50):
this is totally a job in sports, and then you
see a lot of you know, the marketing and the
community work and all of those kind of different jobs
as well. So I think that the Air Force jobs
would really cool though, because it's if you have a
passion as well for service and you want to be
involved in athletics as well, right, that's an avenue that
you can pursue. So those are some of the cool
(01:14:11):
One sports medicine. We're really happy to have sports medicine
on board this year. I also wanted to be a doctor.
I wanted to be a lot of things. Rosman ended
up being on TV right, So, but all of these
things have that tie into the world of sports. A
lot of people who were former athletes and are looking
for how do I keep being part of this world
when I'm not performing on the field anymore. And there's
just so many different ways.
Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
So ROMI tell us how folks can can register to
attend Girls in the Game, which, folks, if you didn't
get this before, it's free right at DU tomorrow. But
how can folks get all the information sign up if
they need to, or can they just show up? But
what websites should they go to and so on yees,
so you can do both.
Speaker 11 (01:14:52):
We'd love for you to register before if you can,
Cbscolorado dot com slash Girls in the Game and there's
a link to register there. You can see more of
all the organizations are coming. But if you don't have
time to register, no big deal. You can register on
site tomorrow again. It goes from nine to one and
it's on the University of Denver campus. It's in the
Hamilton Gymnasium, but there'll be directions around there if you
(01:15:15):
can't find where you're going, so you can register before.
But if you don't, don't worry to show up.
Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
You can register.
Speaker 11 (01:15:20):
It's free and I'd love to have everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Out there awesome. Romy Bean is CBS Colorado's lead sports anchor,
first woman ever to be lead sports anchor in Denver,
pretty fantastic and hosting Girls in the Game tomorrow at
du So you can go where romy just said. And
if you forget any of that, if you go to
my blog at Rosskominski dot com and click on the
Friday blogcast, I've got the links with the information for
(01:15:44):
Girls in the Game, including where you can sign up
and where you go and when it is and all
that very cool event. ROMI, thanks, thanks for doing what
you're doing. Thanks for telling my listeners about it.
Speaker 11 (01:15:53):
Yeah, Roth, I appreciate it so much.
Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Thank you for letting me share glad To glad To.
All right, that's romy. She's cool. I like, I like roaming.
She was around here for a little while when I
first started doing radio here. All right, we still have
a ton of stuff to do, including including we don't
have much time left to do it, so it's got
to be coming up pretty soon. Today's entry into the
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(01:16:19):
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hundred dollars barbecue if you get into the giveaway. So
we'll be doing that coming up in the next few
minutes here on Kowa. All right, all right, why not?
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So this is a fun thing. So you know, Flat
Irons Fire is just awesome. Actually, Kristen and I went
there two days ago. Just a gorgeous showroom slash gallery,
the nicest fireplace story you're ever going to see. And
they have outdoor fire pits and they've got amazing outdoor
barbecue grills and pizza ovens and stuff like that. So
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one of the top brands that they sell for outdoor
barbecue grills happens to be the same brand that I
bought a couple of years back doing my own research,
and I just found that that was the best what
you might call high end brand that had, you know,
fairly reasonable prices but still you know, nice stuff. So
Flat Irons Fire is doing another giveaway just for my
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listeners of a barbecue grill made by a company called
Napoleon and it's called a Phantom Prestige five hundred. And
this thing is just an absolutely gorgeous barbecue grill and
it's got rotissary burners and it's even got Wi Fi
connectivity so you can keep an eye on your on
your phone. It's what the temperature is on the grill.
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It retails for over twenty six hundred dollars. So what
we're going to do is we're going to do three
entries today and three entries each of the next three
weeks a total of twelve entries, and then shortly after
that we will do a random drawing with just twelve
people entered in order to win this over twenty six
hundred dollar barbecue grill. I'm going to give away one
entry on the air, uh in just a moment or
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two here, and then the other two entries today we
will do on our social media accounts x dot com
slash koa Colorado, Instagram dot com slash koa Colorado. Get
over to either of those. You can try both. You
can't end up with two entries, but you can try
over and over to win on our social media accounts
and maybe you'll get one of the entries, So go
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do that. So Dragon and I thought we might do
something a little different. You know, for for a long
time now, I've kind of avoided the phone. We mostly
do listener texts and I love working with the text line.
But we thought it might be fun just to do
this particular entry giveaway into it by buy phone. So, Dragon,
how do you want to how do you want to
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do this? Caller number one and when four right now?
Caller number four right now, and you don't have to
answer any questions all right, caller number four right now
at three oh three, seven to one, three eighty five
eighty five. That's the phone number three oh three, seven
to one, three eighty five eighty five. Caller number four
right now will win the entry into the drawing. So
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you will have a one out of twelve chance when
we do the final drawing to win a barbecue grill
that retails for over twenty six hundred dollars. So there's
that we are going to do a cool thing. In
the next segment of the show, another guest had a
lot of guests today, it's just sort of worked out
that way talking about beef prices, and this guy really knows.
I think you're going to find it super interesting. I
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want to just mention a quick story that I hadn't
really touched on, and I think this falls into the
category of ideas that the Trump administration has that are
interesting ideas based on a real thing, and we just
have to hope they don't take it too far as
they often do. And this is the White House telling
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the Smithsonian Institution that the White House wants them to
kind of clean up their at and to stop having
so much bias as the Trump administration perceives it, and
this is from there's actually an executive order about it.
This initiative aims to ensure alignment with the President's directive
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to celebrate American exceptionalism, remove divisive or partisan narratives, and
restore confidence in our shared cultural institutions. There is no
doubt that, like so many other institutions, the Smithsonian got
very woke, and they would have all kinds of left
wing propaganda in this or that sort of exhibit. I
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realized the most famous stuff is probably the Air and
Space Museum. There's not a lot of opportunity for wokeness there.
But you start talking about art galleries, for example, and
you can do things where you have artist after artists
after artists, who criticizes America, hates America, that kind of thing.
And what I just want to focus on for one
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moment is that I hope that the Trump administration does
not go down the road of trying to remove from
the museums anybody who is critical of the United States
of America. This has to be about balance and not
about purity when it comes to museums, when it comes
to art, when it comes to any of that, there
may be artists who make let's say, a painting, sculpture
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whatever that's anti war, critical of America about something. We
have to allow that. We have to encourage that. There
has to be the ability to have a little sign
up next to a painting saying such and such an
artist did this in such and such a year because
his brother was killed fighting in Vietnam and he thought
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it was an unjust war and America was making an
enormous moral mistake. Right, we have to have that stuff.
So it's not that the and this is where I
hope they do it right. They should not be stripping
that stuff out of American music, out of the Smithsonian.
What they need to do is make sure that the
Smithsonian has balance so that if there are arts who
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want to praise America or want to praise whatever, that
everybody's got an equal shot regardless of the message. And
that has not been the case. So I do think
they are onto a legit thing here. I just hope
they execute it in a way that is faithful to
what museums are really supposed to be about. And that
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is not about ideological purity. From the brilliant comedian Stephen Wright,
and this is about a time that he got on
the bus and sat down next to a gorgeous blonde
Chinese girl and this is the rest of the story.
Speaker 9 (01:22:39):
And she said, well, I've just come back to my
analyst and he's still unable to help me. Nice, what's
the problem. And she paused and said, I'm a nymphomaniac
and I only get turned on my Jewish cowboys. Then
she said, by the way, my name is Diane. And
I said, hello, Diane, I'm bucket goal to it.
Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Mm hmm, there you go. I hope you under I
hope you understood that I won't I won't say what
it was again. So uh, my next guest Bucky Goldstein,
a Jewish cowboy. No, his name is Jordan Levi Levy
and and uh and Jordan is CEO of Arcadia Asset Management.
And you might not have heard of Arcadia Asset Management,
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but they they owned five Rivers Cattle Feeding, which is
the largest cattle feeding operation in the entire world. So
there's a very big deal. Nobody's nobody knows more about
the price of beef at the supermarket than Jordan does.
And it's something I've wanted to talk with him about
for for quite some time. He's a busy dude, but
he made time for us today. So what's up there, Bucky.
Speaker 5 (01:23:49):
Good to see you.
Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Ros glad to do it, very glad to do it.
So you and I talked a while back, more like
kind of COVID sort of time frame. There are issues
going on with labor shortages at the processing facilities and
stuff like that, and I kind of thought then that
when COVID settled out, settled down, the price of beef
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would go down. And it definitely hasn't, and of course
other things haven't either. Beef isn't alone in that. But
can you tell us why why is beef so expensive?
Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
I think fundamentally speaking, we have the smallest cowherd since
the nineteen fifties, and while we can produce more with
less and we have. If you look at total tonnage,
it's about equal to a year ago, and twenty four
was equal to twenty twenty three. But people want the product,
and I think that's the most amazing part. So as
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we're producing more tonnage with less head, we are finding
insatiable demand from the consumers. And that's for a variety
of reasons.
Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Okay, So I'm trying to understand produce more with less.
So I'm just in my non expert brain, I think
of a few possibilities producing more meat with fewer cows.
Either means you're cutting them differently, and I sort of
doubt that because cutting was probably pretty efficient already. The
cows are bigger maybe, or maybe there's something where there's
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a higher survival like a lower attrition rate of cattle,
so a bigger percentage of them are making it all
the way to becoming food bo So what is it.
Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
It's ultimately the amount of pounds for putting on the animal.
It's one of the best sustainability stories in agriculture is
the fact that we can produce more beef to day
with the same amount of cattle that we had in
the nineteen fifties. And I think that that's the great
part of the story, which is the weights are getting
bigger due to genetics and more precision feet stuffs, and
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so the producer is doing all they can to help
meet the demand of the consumer who just loves beef
right now, whether it's MAHA or the greater adaptation of
GLP ones, people want protein and they want the highest quality,
best tasting protein and that protein is beef.
Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Wow. Okay, so what about the cost of feed? Right?
Grain prices can be highly variable, although I haven't heard
a lot about a lot of volatility and grain prices lately,
But there have been times, and you and I have
a mutual friend who was pretty big involved in all
this stuff and trading the grains and all, there have
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been times when the stuff you might feed the cows
got very expensive and that might make the cows more expensive.
Is that happening now or is feed pricing kind of
under control?
Speaker 10 (01:26:45):
No?
Speaker 5 (01:26:45):
Quite the opposite. Ross.
Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
In fact, we're putting in kind of contract lows and
corn the last couple of days, and so the cost
to put on additional pounds is not as expensive as
it has been in the past. Which is part of
the reason that the weights have increased so much. Is
that you know, the grain farmer has made it, has
made their product. There are input cheap, and as a result,
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we're able to increase weights to help satiate that demand.
Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
So I'm president of a bad analogy club. I'm gonna throw
something at you, and I want you to tell me
if it's reasonable. The airline industry, for many years was
famously volatile when it came came to their finances, and
you'd have airlines with some frequency going bankrupt. And one
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of the things the airlines did in recent years to
try to deal with that, and with great success, is
to massively cut the number of flights that are available.
So now instead of five flights a day to DC,
there are three, and instead of five flights a day
being sixty percent full, there are three flights a day
that are one hundred percent full. Is that a similar
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dynamic to why there are fewer head of cattle or
is there another reason or multiple reasons.
Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
I wish our industry was that sophisticated, but that's not
how it works. Ultimately, we buy cattle from the cowcaf producer.
The cowcat producer is the picture the beautiful ranches post COVID.
The economics were terrible and so they had to liquidate
herd and then in addition drought said in key cow
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calf areas. And so when you have poor economics and
poor drought, you have to liquidate your herd, and by
the time that hits the market, which is where we
are today, the signal is to start rebuilding the herd,
and we can't rebuild the herd and get you a
steak tomorrow. And so unfortunately, the supply situation gets tighter
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before it gets looser. As we bring young females out
of the production chain, we breathe them, and sadly it's
about a year from the time we take a heifer
a female out of out of meat production and bring
bringing a steak on the plate. So I guess the
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good news is is that I think the industry is
starting to show signs of life in terms of bringing
more animals to market. The bad news is it takes
a long time to bring you an animal that ultimately
is a great steak or a wonderful a wonderful, wonderful burger.
Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
We're talking with Jordan Lavy. He is CEO of Arcadia
Asset Management and Arcadia owns Five Rivers Cattle Feeding, which
is the largest cattle feeding operation in the world. So
let's talk about this from the perspective either of the
rancher who's selling you the cows, and then also from
your perspective, is it better for them? Is it better
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for you to sell fewer cows for a higher price
or more cows for a lower prices? Is it an
easily calculable thing, like where it might be better to like,
how do you decide between selling ten million at fifteen
dollars a pound and fifteen million a ten dollars a pound.
Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
Yeah, we've got some really smart PhDs in the office
that help us make those calculations. I would tell you
from where I sit, I like abundant supplies. The reason
I like abundant supplies is there's less volatility in the
market and we keep our consumers happy. And we need
to keep our consumers happy so that we have a
long tail of demand. We don't want to blip on
the radar of just demand for a year or two.
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We want to make consumers eat beef for the rest
of their lives and then build consumers both domestically and
globally to consume our beef. I think it's important to
also note that one of the reasons that the supply
situation is so tight it's not just the domestic supply.
The domestic supply, as I mentioned, is the tightest since
the nineteen fifties. Tariffs have also reduced the amount of
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beef coming into the US. In addition, New World screwworm,
which is really important. It's a parasite that's been found
in mexic and had been eradicated over forty fifty years
ago is back. And as a result, we've closed the
border between the United States and Mexico from bringing cattle
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supplies from Mexico into the United States. So the combination
of our tight herd plus the border being shut, plus
the tariffs is creating a very tight supply situation at
the time. We've never seen the consumer want our product more.
We hear the signals from the consumer, and we're doing
everything we can to increase supply, both in headcount and
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in tonnage. Unfortunately, the head count takes a while to materialize.
Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
Yeah, and you know, I only ever traded commodities a
little bit. I trade mostly stock options and stuff like that.
So I traded soybeans and corn for like a few
weeks on the border trades. I don't know this. I
don't know this stuff very well, but it does seem
to me that it's a little bit surprising, let's say,
to have super tight markets in cattle while setting contract
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lows in corn.
Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
It is it is certainly an anomaly. There is no
doubt generally speaking, the rising tide lifts all boats. But
I think that speaks to the demand side. Ross and
I've been trying to give you the alley oop here,
But the demand side is the real beautiful story here, yeah,
is that consumers want our beef. And I think part
of that reason is this huge adaptation or adoption excuse me,
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of GLP once.
Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
Indeed, so much conversation about people. It's been going on
for a while, but accelerating lately, with people aiming towards
higher protein diets, lower carb diets and all this stuff.
And protein is becoming bigger and bigger and bigger, and
beef is certainly a beneficiary. And so it's kind of
hard to tease out because there's so many things going
on at the same time, it's kind of hard to
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tease out what exactly is causing how much of the
price rise or the lack of price decline or whatever.
How much do you And when I say you, now,
I mean the industry worry that when a ribbi goes
from nine dollars a pound to seventeen dollars a pound
that people who have been beefeeders we'll start thinking a
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little bit more about chicken or pork and then maybe
even if beef comes down, they'll be like, you know,
I kind of like the pork, not sure if I'll
come back. Is that a kind of thing that concerns you,
as being such a big player in the industry.
Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
Sure, if I put my economist hat on, or if
I was sitting next to my chief of staff over
at the office, he would tell you the most important
economic sinignal is disposable income.
Speaker 5 (01:33:41):
And so we watched that like a hawk.
Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
And so we're starting to hear stories about early signs
of recession, and then the consumer will ultimately trade down
to a different protein.
Speaker 5 (01:33:53):
I like to believe that we offer the most tastiest.
Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
Protein or animal protein out there, and that the consumer
ultimately comes back. We also have to remember that beef
is being consumed more at home than at the restaurants
in this post COVID atmosphere, and so beef is significantly
cheaper in their pocket eating it at home relative to
eating it at a restaurant. And so, but the bottom
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line is ross to answer your question, you know, doubling
the price of a rabbi certainly does scare us, Yes,
which is why I think the industry is beginning to
respond to the economic signals. It's making cattle bigger because
the inputs are cheaper, but the signal is there, and
ultimately we're beginning that rebuild process.
Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
All right, let me just switch gears with you for
a moment. And this might be a little bit outside
of what five rivers specifically does, but I'm sure you
know all the answers. And this came from a colleague
of mine wanted me to ask you this when I
told him you were going to be on. Can you
please tell us what wag you means and what American
wag you means and then maybe just talk about that
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segment of the market a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
Yeah, So wagu and American wagu means delicious.
Speaker 5 (01:35:06):
That's a Joe Bross.
Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
But Wagu beef and American wag you be it's generally speaking,
wag you beef is produced in Japan and American Wagu
beef is produced in the United States. That American Wagu
beef is generally fifty to fifty wagu and the other
like that.
Speaker 5 (01:35:25):
Let's say the.
Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
Father is wagu, a wagu bull and either an angus
or a different breed of cow, and so it is
predominantly WAGU because it's greater than fifty percent. We're big,
big proponents of American wagu. We're large producers of it,
and those of you that haven't tried it, I highly
recommend it. And I think once you try it, you'll
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never trade the pork ever or chicken.
Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
What's better about it?
Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
It has a tremendous fat and flavor profile that you
cannot all always get from a prime steak. It's so rich,
and so think of it as dark chocolate versus milk chocolate.
Both are delicious, but sometimes you want to create that
dark chocolate because you want that richness.
Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Last question for you, Jordan, and going back to our
previous topic, if if you were a betting man, give me,
give me right now a price for a benchmark grade
of beef that everybody in your industry would be talking
about in terms of dollars per pound. What's just some
benchmark number.
Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
Yeah, So today we're selling beef cattle at about two
dollars and forty cents a pound, which would be a
record of futures the exchanges posting around two thirty five.
We had a meeting yesterday and I said two fifty
before two twenty. Wow, so I think we'll put kind
of a cycle high here in the next I don't know,
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between now and the middle of first quarter of twenty six,
and we'll see live cattle prices at two dollars and
fifty cents pounds. So to our consumer friends, what I
would tell you is it's probably going to get more
expensive before it gets cheap.
Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
Okay. And then the last question, when what's your best
guess as to when it will be cheaper? Like, when
will it be below two dollars?
Speaker 5 (01:37:13):
It'll be below two dollars.
Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
I'd hate to say never, but two dollars seems real
cheap in this environment.
Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Wow, So maybe never, fascinating, fascinating.
Speaker 5 (01:37:27):
Probably in twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
Twenty seven, Ross, that's when we'd see two dollars again.
Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
Wow. Jordan Lavy is CEO of ur Kadie Asset Management.
They own five Rivers Cattle, which is the largest cattle
feeding operation in the entire world. Probably very very few
people in the world know as much about about beef
and the cattle market as Jordan. I'm very grateful for
your time as always, and thanks, thanks so much, and
we'll keep in touch.
Speaker 5 (01:37:51):
Yeah, awesome, Come and see us, Ross, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
We'll do, we'll do. They're based in Johnstown, by the way,
which is pretty cool right here, right here in Colorado. Okay,
hey folks, if you're listening on the podcast right now,
that's the end of today's show. Thank you so much
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I know only about half of you can probably see me,
but anyway, wearing my Broncos shirt. Fun broadcasting from training camp.
The past couple of days, I did have a chance
to interview the Broncos punter Jeremy Crosshaw of the he
of the Mustache fame already, and I'm gonna share that
audio with you. It's only like four ish minutes long,
short conversation we had, but I'm gonna share that with
(00:21):
you a little bit later in the show. Speaking of Broncos.
Also a little bit later in the show, I am
gonna give away a pair of tickets to tomorrow night's
Broncos Cardinals preseason game at Empower Field at Mile High. So, actually, no,
I take that back. I take that back. I'm not
doing the giveaway today from let me make sure I
(00:45):
do this. I do this right. I'm gonna I gotta
figure this out. I might have a pair of tickets
to give away, and I might and I might be
telling you about one later in the day. I'll have
a pair of tickets to give away. I'll sort that
out and I'll get to it. We're also the other
thing we're definitely gonna do today is we are going
to do this week's entries into this crazy giveaway that
Flatirons Fire is doing for a Napoleon that's the brand
(01:09):
name Napoleon Gas Grill. It's called the Phantom Prestige five
hundred retails for over twenty six hundred bucks, and we're
doing three entries a week. There will be for four weeks.
There will be a total of twelve entries and a
winner will be picked from among the twelve people. So
if you get an entry, you got a decent chance
of winning this twenty six hundred dollars plus fabulous fireplace
(01:31):
that happens to be the same brand of fireplace that
I bought for myself a few years ago after doing
research on what are the best fireplaces out there? So
we'll be doing that today's entries. Over the course of
the show. You can always go to x dot com
slash koa Colorado and Instagram dot com slash koa Colorado
on Friday mornings and see the pinned notes there with
(01:55):
instructions on how you can try to get one of
the two social media entries that we will be doing today.
All right, let's do a couple of other things. So
you heard in our news broadcast. There obviously is a
big deal today with President Trump meeting Russian dictator Vladimir Putin.
They're going to meet in Alaska. The meeting is set
(02:16):
for we believe it is set for one thirty pm
hour time, so that'll be during Mandy's show. I don't
know whether there will actually be news during Mandy show
or whether it be a little bit later that they
come out. And I don't know. Also, I don't know
whether there will be a joint press conference or whether
just Trump will come out at some point and make
some comments. So so we'll see, you know, I think
(02:40):
I think Trump has done a pretty good job on
a couple of things here. One, he's set expectations pretty low.
He's set expectations pretty low. And he's also made clear
something I think is really good, and that is you
heard in that news clip that that Pat just played.
Trump said, I'm not here to negotiate on behalf of Ukraine.
(03:01):
He said, I'm here to try to get a conversation,
going to see whether there's a deal to be done.
But I'm not going to be in that room negotiating
this for that Ukraine's land, this thing, that thing, right,
it's about Ukraine, and Ukraine's gonna make those decisions, and
Ukraine will have those conversations with Russia and hopefully something
(03:23):
will happen. So let me just give a couple other
thoughts on this, and I'm just gonna do a couple
of minutes, because in about an hour and a half
we're gonna have a guest, real expert on this who's
going to join us to preview this meeting a little bit.
More So, Vladimir Putin is not afraid of much, and
right now he probably thinks he's winning. He certainly thinks
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he's not losing. And the Russians have made some modest
gains in recent days on some of the front lines,
not huge, but noticeable. And what you got to understand
about Putin is that he deeply believes that Ukraine has
no right to exist as an independent country. He deeply
(04:05):
believes that the creation of Ukraine, which previously was called
the Ukraine by Vladimir Lenin around the time of the
Russian Revolution, he believes that was a historical error, that
it never should have happened, and that it's some kind
of blight or shame or catastrophe or something for Russia.
(04:26):
And he believes Ukraine should just be fully absorbed into Russia,
and he would do it if he could. So far
he can't, partly due to American help supplying weapons, partly
due to European helps supplying weapons. But I hope Trump
understands going into this that Vladimir Putin deeply believes in
this mission. And much as Donald Trump would like his
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legacy to be a guy who won a Nobel Peace
Prize plus whatever else Trump wants to be remembered for,
but surely he would like that, and I don't blame him.
Vladimir Putin wants his own legacy to be the guy
who took Uka back and brought Ukraine back to being
part of Russia. And it is not going to be
easy to talk him out of it. And the only
way you probably talk him out of it is by
threatening him with something that he's actually afraid of, and
(05:09):
it's unclear that there is such a thing right now.
I don't think that Putin is afraid of the US
selling more weapons to Europe who then delivers them to Ukraine,
or selling more weapons to Ukraine, or even giving more
weapons to Ukraine. Although I don't think we're going to
be giving much away under this administration, but we'll sell
plenty of stuff, and we've sold them lots of stuff
(05:31):
already and still Russia isn't losing. So I don't think
he's afraid of that. What could he be afraid of?
The only thing I think that Putin could be afraid
of is some credible threat that really gets pretty much
the entire world to stop buying Russian oil and destroy
the Russian economy that way. I think that's the only
thing he's afraid of. But their primary customer is China,
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and I don't think Donald Trump has any real leverage
on China to get them to stop buying Russian oil. Right,
China has an enormous economy, they need lots of oil,
lots of energy, and they're able to buy it at
a discount from Russia because of American policy. And so
I just have a hard time seeing what Putin will
be afraid of. That said, I also have no idea
what Trump is gonna say. Maybe Trump has a good idea,
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maybe Trump's people have given Trump a good idea. But
here's the thing Putin might be afraid of. You threaten
him with this and maybe he'll agree to settle the war.
I have no idea. As I said yesterday, there's nothing
more chaotic in the world of human endeavor than war.
And then in general, in negotiations, there are few things
harder to predict than international negotiations, much more difficult to
(06:35):
predict than national negotiations, because there are so many competing constituencies. Right,
Vladimir Putin is not really trying to appease Donald Trump.
He's trying to do what he thinks, you know, is
some historical imperative for him, while also appeasing the Russian people,
and he doesn't want to cause a huge fight with Trump.
But Trump isn't really his biggest thing. All of this
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together is just so complex it is possible to predict
what's gonna happen now. I think it's unlikely that there
will be any kind of ceasefire that happens within the
next few days coming out of this meeting. A few
weeks maybe, But again it depends if Trump and the
West have anything to pressure Putin with that he will
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be afraid of, and at the moment, I just don't
know what that is. I do have a pair of
Broncos tickets for a Saturday Night's game that I will
be giving away a little bit later in the show.
And then also we're gonna give away a pair of
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pm to six pm during KOI Sports from three pm
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it's a Saturday night game, You'll have a chance to
win tickets there as well. One quick thing I would
like to mention this is sort of a wacky thing,
a little bit of an inside baseball thing, But from
time to time I'm mentioned to you that if you
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are listening on the podcast, you might not hear some
things that you hear on the over the air broadcast
because lawyers, for example, we cannot include name that tune.
And it's a whole legal thing, where the bottom line is,
the license that we have that allows us to play
most music on the show does not extend to the podcast,
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even though the podcast is just a replay of the show.
But it's not an over the air broadcast, so the
license doesn't apply. And therefore, when there is copyrighted music,
we can't have that in the podcast, and that's why
podcast listeners don't hear name that tune. Sometimes if you
hear me and Shannon or Dragon or a Rod talking
about music, you know, and you don't hear the music,
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or you might not hear that segment at all on
the podcast. That's why because of that license thing. So
an interesting thing happened yesterday and yesterday and the day
before I was broadcasting from Broncos training camp, and when
I'm on when I'm at training camp is actually when
camp is happening, right when Marty and Gina are there
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or shows that if we ever have a show there
later in the day, practice isn't going on, so those
other shows aren't impacted by what I'm going to tell
you about now. So during practice, often you will they
will play very loud music. And the previous years that
I've done this has been pretty loud, but yesterday was
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the loudest I ever heard it. And and you know,
it's the get the players going, and it's awesome to
you know, play sports and have loud music playing all
this it's it's cool, but it was so loud that
my microphone that I was using for my broadcast could
pick it up kind of in the background because it
was so freaking loud, and because a bunch of that,
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you know, it's copyrighted music, they're playing ac DC or
whatever other fun music to exercise too. Because that was
audible in the background, we had to cut out a
bunch of stuff from the podcast yesterday. So if you
are a podcast listener, you're hearing me right now on
the podcast as you're listening, and you're wondering, why did
it seem like yesterday's podcast was was short or missing
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some stuff or whatever. That's why, because the Broncos had
such loud music playing that could be picked up in
the background. For example, of my conversation with a Rapahoe
County sheriff, Tyler Brown, which was a great conversation, we
had to cut that out of the podcast. So in
any case, that's why, I just thought i'd explain that
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to you a little bit of inside baseball stuff. Did
you guys happen to see the video of this dude
flinging a sub sandwich at an ice agent in Washington, DC.
A couple of days ago, this guy, you know, the
ICE agents are out there on the street doing what
they're doing, what they're doing with you know, getting or
actually it might have been National Guard. I'm trying to
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remember who it was. But here there are federal agents
one way or another, and it might be nationally it
might have been National Guard, because National Guard is in
DC right now. Trump ordered them in to try to
help clean up some of the crime levels in Washington,
in Washington, d C. And let me just interject one thing.
Trump says that the crime rate in Washington, d C
is much too high. People in Washington, d C. Say
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the crime rate in Washington, in Washington, d C is
much lower than it was a couple of years ago,
and much much lower than it was in the nineties.
And what I would like to say to you is
they can both be right. Crime levels can be lower
than they were a year ago or two years ago,
and still much too high and in need of being
cleaned up in the nation's capital. And so so Trump's right,
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the other people are right. I think I really haven't
talked about this. I think Trump's move to deal with
crime in Washington, d C. The way he's doing it
has almost zero political downside for him. I think it's
all upside and DC needs it, so I'm I'm in
favor of it. We'll see how it plays out. I
think the one real risk to President Trump from this
thing is if a National Guard per kills somebody who
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isn't a criminal, it's unlikely to happen, very very unlikely happened.
So mostly I think there's very little risk here for DC.
So anyway, this guy comes up, a thirty seven year
old guy. It turns out turns out that his name
is Sean Dunn, and he starts yelling at these federal
agents and he starts swearing at him and calling them
effing fascists and all this stuff. And he's carrying a
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sub sandwich. I don't know if it's from subway, but
it's a substtile sandwich, and he flings the sandwich at
a federal agent and then starts running away. He's not
very fast, so he gets caught and he's been charged
with felony now, with felony assault that you know, Janine
Piro is, you know, the person in charge of that
stuff in DC now, and she's taking no prisoners at all, right,
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or actually I should say she is taking prisoners rather
than letting them go, So she is literally taking prisoners.
So this dude, though he flings the sandwich, tries to
run away, gets caught in the news. Now this dude
works at the DOJ, or he did. He's been fired.
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He was an international affairs specialist in the Department of
Justice Justice's Criminal Division, and now he's been fired. But
doesn't that go to show you something. You know, there's
a lot of talk and sometimes it's overdone, but I
actually think this is a real thing, this sort of
deep state concept. And you've got all these people, and
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I've talked about this a lot on the show. Their
mindset is always presidents are temporary and I'm permanent. That's
how they think, That's how bureaucrats think, It's how bureaucracies operate.
Trump is only going to be there for another three
and a half years. The most there's ever going to
be any president is eight years in a row. And
these people think they're going to be their way after
way longer than that. And they don't mind that. They
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think that their opinion matters more than the president's opinion.
And it doesn't matter whether you like or don't like
any particular president. When you work in a federal government
like that in the executive branch, you work for them, period.
You work for them, and if you don't like it,
get out a way. This guy flung the sandwich and
now he's been fired. But it is Pam BONDI actually said,
this is an example of the deep state we've been
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up against for seven months while we worked to refocus
DOJ And you know what, She's not wrong. Can't really
describe how happy I am to be having this conversation.
Sitting across from me now is my friend in longtime
colleague Tom Martino. For many years when I did morning
drive over on our sister station six point thirty k HOW,
I would be leaving just as he'd be coming in
for his four hour show, The Troubleshooter Show on k
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HOW every weekday from ten am to two pm. And
I will note, although Tom might not if I didn't,
that Tom is the longest running talk show host in
America right in America, still on the air, still on
the air. There were some of the past that retire, yeah,
long ago. So as far as people on the air
right now, nobody has been on the air longer than
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Tom Martino with his own show, which is just an
absolutely incredible thing with the Troubleshooter Show, especially in radio.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, you know, we're just talking about wow. So but dude,
you're you're here to talk to me. Yeah, and you
posted a thing on LinkedIn and I've known that you
were going through some health troubles and I've really wanted
to come over and say something, but I'm kind of superstitious.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, and I just didn't because I didn't want know
what you mean. And so I hope you didn't think
that I didn't care. No, no, no, I never thought
that at all. In fact, I was so busy just
attending to myself. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
You know what, being sick makes you narcissist, not not
in a bad way, It makes you concentrate on getting better.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, so tell us for people who don't know what
you've been dealing with diagnosed.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
So I'm in Hawaii in December and my wife says
you're yellow, and I said, I think that's the tan.
But literally my eyeballs were yellow. Yeah, and I thought
I had heppatitis or something. And we came home New
Year's Day. I go to the doctor January two, to
the emergency room, and they said, we need to take
a look. So they did some testing. They did imaging.
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I didn't know why they did imaging. I thought I
never heard of jaunt as being a sign of something serious,
but it apparently was because they come out and said,
and the emergency room doc was well meeting. I'm not
going to even tell you what hospital it was because
he was well meeting.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
But he was an idiot.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
He literally took my hand and said, is your wife
coming back because you went out to get food and
I said yes. He said, you met, you might want
to call her and your family. And I said, what
he says, you have pancreatic cancer. And I said, or
at least it's a pancreatic tumor and it looks like cancer.
And here's what he said, as you probably heard, it's
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ninety seven percent fatal within the first year and a
half or two years. And I thought, I'm going to die,
and so I started dealing with you know, I got
to get things done for my kids and all that.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I had kids late. So then the GI doc comes in.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
The surgeon says, we have to put a stint in
to drain those billy rubens where you're going to die
from poisoning, not camp, but we got to get in there.
So he goes inside and tries to put a stint
in and he couldn't. At that hospital again, I don't
want to name them, they're good people. And he said,
we don't have the equipment. We just didn't have the camera.
We couldn't get the stent in. And I said, that's
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when I woke up from General Aesesia. Yeah, and it
was about two in the afternoon, and I said, now
what he says, I'm going to send you over to
U SEE Health.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Thank god he did.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
What a team and I want to but he said,
I want to tell you something, and I really shouldn't.
I'm not an on collagist, but I had an endoscope
in there and I was looking around and I can't
see anything except one tiny tumor pressing right on your
bile duct.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It is so far on the head.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It gave you immediate symptoms, he says, But look at
I don't know of it advanced. It could be in lymphthoms.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
But what I see is an isolated tumor.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So I went over to U See Health and they
had the equipment to get the stent in and I
immediately felt better because it drained all the poisons from me,
but because I had two of those in my pancreas,
it landed me in the hospital for about eight days
with pancreatitis because pancreases don't like me in touch. So
I was in the hospital during that eight days. That
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cancer team came in and talked to me and said,
do you understand how fortunate you are? You know three
percent of the diagnoses are operable and.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Totally isolated and ready to go.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
In fact, Steve Jobs had the same diagnosis I had.
Do you understand this? And he chose not to go
with surgery. He could have saved his life. He said,
I'll do natural means. But I mean so, I said, well,
what does that mean? They said, look, we think we
can go for the cure on this one because they
tell you right up front, we're going to do what
we can to extend your life with me, they said,
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And I peeked at the clipboard and it said curative.
All the treatments were curative, not palliative, not life extent,
but just curative, they kept saying curative.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
So I was happy and sad.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
First of all, when you hear stats like about seatbelts
and about accidents and about being hit by a drunk
driver or cancer, you never put yourself in those stats, right.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I never did. Did you ever just say? That's? You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
When we hear about stats about plane crash, about anything,
we never really put ourselves in the situation.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I was a bis And by the way, it's not
crazy not to in the sense that an incredibly tiny
number of people are ever actually impacted by plane crashes
or lightning, right or even pan grab That's right.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
So I put myself as a bystander in life. I
would watch people get diseases, I would watch people get hurt.
I would, and I was I was empathetic, but I
never It's a weird situation. We never put ourselves in
the spot. Like when someone loses a child, we think,
oh my god, we know how terrible it is, but
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we don't really think necessarily of that ever happening to us.
And that's how it is with cancer. People hear about
cancer all the time, but you never think I'm gonna
get cancer and so having cancer just change everything.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I called my early morning talks.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I always used to call the mirror talks, where I
would be shaving, getting ready in the morning and thinking
about the day ahead, and I thought about absolute bull crap.
I mean, just stupid things like I'm going to make
sure I do this, I'm gonna hit this hard, I'm
going to talk to that client. I'm gonna you know,
I don't know what so and so meant by that email,
you know what I mean, just weird crap.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I mean, honest to god, I wasted my time while
I'm shaving looking at myself talking.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
And then when you have cancer, and the mirror talk
is you're going to get through this day.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Man, You're going to get through it. You're you're gonna
deal with it.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Because even with a great diagnosis, thank god I had one,
I'm not going to tell you I did anything. People say,
what a heroic Barrett battle. You beat it ross the diagnosis,
beat it. I got it in time. And so then
from January second to April twenty eighth, I had chemo
and it shrunk it even.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
More when was the surgery to remove it? To twenty
eighth had chemo before surgery. Yes, after and after they
removed it. It was a whipple procedure.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Twenty percent of my pancres, twenty percent of my stomach,
twenty percent of my colon taken out.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
So you see I lost fifty plus. Why did they
have to resect colon?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
And see, you would think with such a great diagnosis,
just the tumor, why don't they just do this?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Why don't they just dissect.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
The tumor right, just take because they will not with
pancretic Pancredic cancer is known to be so aggressive, so
they take what they call margins, okay, and they go outside.
But they confirmed it wasn't spread and so in fact,
it's just amazing. They took forty five lymphones but they
didn't have to. I mean there would and then they
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would test them, test them, test them. So they got
such big margins like with skin cancer when they take
out of growth, they go outside. So they got my margins.
They thought I might be diabetic. Guess what, my pancreas
is creating insulin. I'm not even diabetic. So I had
one of the best outcomes you can have. And at
the end of my chemo, which I had five afterwards,
so a total of ten. It's knocking the hell out
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of me. My last one was last Friday, a week ago.
I'm still feeling the effects of it. And as I
get on and I'm going to get stronger and stronger,
but he's such it was a weird letdown. I said, well,
now what and they said, well, now you live, you know,
and I went, god, I mean it's after fighting, fighting, fighting,
fighting fighting, meaning you know, fighting, the knowledge of fighting,
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the weakness, fighting, the fluless symptoms coming. I was still
doing my radio show, except Mark would do it about
three or four times a week now, and then I
would every other week. When I was actually in infusion,
I couldn't do it. So anyway, that's the story. I'm
not heroic, but I thank God for the diagnosis. Again,
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that's a weird one too, because people say, oh a lot,
you got cancer.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Why you think God for the diagnosed? I don't know.
I don't look at I.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
First of all, I just feel like I was fortunate
and it breaks my heart. And so many pancreatic patients
have contacted me and said what did you do, as
if I did something, and I said, I didn't do
anything except went to the doctor the UCAL team.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
So being who I.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Am, I don't mean a celebrity, I mean an anal researcher.
I consulted Mayo M. D Anderson, Sloan Kettering, and I
wanted to know would you do it this way? They
said to me, you will never get better care than
at U SEE Health and your doctor, Richard Shulick, the surgeon,
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is one of the premier surgeons in the country. So
that's another thing. We're fortunate. You understand that people come
from all over to go to UC Health.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I didn't realize that I didn't either.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
All of this stuff is you know, now, when I
hear somebody's father or uncle or somebody has cancer and
they're going through chemo, does my heart go out to them?
And I'm going to be starting a small support group
for non medical questions because ross you have a million
non medical questions when you're on chemo, like about eating
and about drinking, about this, about that, not medical at all,
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but there really is no one to call. And so
I'm not the first one to think of this. There
are a lot of people doing it around the country.
And I came up with the name chemo Sabby's and
again somebody else did that back east. But I want
to just have a number of people can call just
to talk, because at night when I would have the
neuropathy in my hands felt like they were they were big,
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they were giant, and I get near stuff and it
would tingle and hurt, and all I wondered, Hey, is
this normal? And again it's just it's just that I'm here,
and I thank God for it, and I just don't
know why, but it turned out the way it did.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
If you're just joining we're talking with Tom Martinez, I'm
sure you recognize the voice running radio host in America
now and survived pancreatic cancer because of just the incredible
fortunate circumstance of the cancer showing up in a way
that caused symptoms immediately, which.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Normally doesn't know rually it doesn't happen the head of
the pancreas usually when they're in.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
The belly or on the tail.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
It takes sometimes years, really years to show up. And
everyone says, why don't we all just get screened, and
we should. There should be with a wellness check, some
kind of cancer screening. And I really believe that because
you can catch stuff sooner than later, and that would
be screening is the number.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
And I have to be screened now.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I'm going to be screened every three months, and then
every six months, then once a year. Because pancreatic cancer
is known to want to come back.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
That's why we attacked it like we did. Right. And
a friend of mine is a doctor, is telling me
about a new I don't remember the name of it,
but a new blood test that cancer screening and acting
for pancreatic.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Well, I'll be doing that. Then there's something else I'm
getting enrolled. I'm trying to get enrolled in. I'm working
with my people. Yeah, it's called the mRNA vaccine. The
guy that developed mRNA did not do it for COVID.
He did it for cancer. His idea was to program
the vaccine to detect cancer cells and then trigger the
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spike protein, which triggers your T cells, which then kills
the cancer. Now, your T cells should automatically do that anyway,
but it's early detection, earlier than your own T cells
would find him. Now, when when the Trump administration, one
of the doctors, when they heard about this research, they said,
why can't you identify it for the virus? And do
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the same thing. And that's what they did. They took
the mRNA technology, which is wonderful. It got a black eye,
but it's wonderful technology for what it was meant for.
So I'm going to try to get enrolled in that
I think are now beta or clinical trials for what though,
because your cancer free now. Yeah, but here's what is for.
Here's what is for. You take the vaccine once a year,
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I believe. And what it does is it detects if
a cell pops up. So if a cell pops up,
who knows ross, No one's perfect. If a cell popped
up in my lungs because one got away, even after
all the chemo, it will detect it. The spike protein
will be spiked, the T cells will attack it. And
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they've done these tests and listen to this. They can
track how many times the spike protein went to work.
And they have had pancreatic cancer patients unlike me, people
who had it spread.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
And then they did chemo.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
They had pancreatic cancer patients living way beyond five years.
I don't know how long they've been doing it, but
they say it's a remarkable drug.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Wow. Yeah, I was thinking of something when you were
talking about talking to yourself in the mirror before and
after the diagnosis. Yeah, I heard a great line one
time that I think applies so well to the kinds
of conversations you were having and most of us have
pre your diagnosis. You get focused on things, not just you.
We get focused on things that are urgent but not important, right,
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not a great line that isn't that is a great
urgent but not important. I mean, I can't believe some
of the stuff I lamented over. I can't even believe it.
And so let's let's stick with this for a second,
so separate from the medical and the follow up or
lack of hopefully lack of follow up that you will
that you will need. How do you think going through
this has changed you? Oh my god, I am so
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much more empathetic.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
When people tell me they have anything, I realize they're
in disease.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
You know, with disease.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I mean, no matter what, it's important to them, and
I get in their shoes and think, what can we
do to help you? Is there anything we can do?
Or I just listen to them? So that's one way.
Another way is I don't sweat the small stuff anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I just I had no love. My wife and I
have a joke. It's a joke.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
She she's had some some like leg vein surgery and stuff,
not surgery, but some of the injections sometimes. And one
time she had a bit of a black and blue
and she goes, oh, this is so sore.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
And I said to her, I'm so sorry you're going
through that.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
And she says, oh, come on, because I'll say I'll
say things like that as a joke because of what
I was. I'm sitting there post chemo. You know, I'm
sick as a dog. And I say to her, I'm
so sorry you're going through that. And I smile and
she goes, come on, now, you know. And and so
it's like a little joke we have, or I say
to people, it ain't cancer, you know. With my friends,
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I say, look in the mirror, Look in the mirror
right now. You know that problem you're having with Jones
and so and so at work, it ain't cancer.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
So it changed me.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
And also here's how else it did made me a
bit more paranoid in saying, wait a minute, statistics can can.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Apply to me. Right, So when I take my helicopter
out of the airplane.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I think, wait a minute, yesis six can apply you
do everything in your power to be proactive.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Really that really, that is probably.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
The number one thing statistics apply to me, because we
listen to statistics and death tolls and news all the time.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
As a bystander, it's a great point. And you know,
as a math nerd, I'll focus on something else here too.
So statistics can apply to you. Did apply to you
in a negative way as far as being part of
the very very small percentage of people that gets pan
created cancer, and then in a positive way and being
in the small, small, small fraction of those who get
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a version of it. It just gets caught early and
is curable. Right. But one of the interesting things, and
you see this in politics with political polling, you see
it in all kinds of things. People will take either
large probabilities and think of them as being one hundred
percent even though they're now that's right. And they will
take small probabilities and think of them as zero percent
even there even though they're not. And think about you.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
On the right, when you hear ninety seven percent, you're
hearing everyone to the one thinks it's one hundred one dies.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Everyone dies, and you're in the three percent and that
and when you think about it this way, right, three
people think of three percent as zero, but it's not zero.
Just the same way like in politics, people thought like
Hillary Clinton was sixty percent to win, they thought it
meant one hundred percent. That's exactly right. But if you
take a thousand people and there's a three percent chance,
if you take a thousand people, there's thirty of those
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people in the thousand, you can have a good story
and that is not zero. That is a good point.
You're right.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
When we hear eighty percent, we don't hear eighty percent.
Eighty percent of you are gonna, you know, do this
or do that. We think of it as everyone, right,
We never think of us being in the minority.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Right, But it's not. And the difference is enormous.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
As you're living living proof of even lightning strikes.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
So I look at lightning differently.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I'm really serious when I tell you that stats do
apply to me.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I am not above it all. Wow, So you're kind
of skinny. I'm guessing a lot of that is from
some would be for the surgery, but I'm guessing most
is from chemo, right, fifty pounds. So now you just
do you have any diet restrictions or just change you're
making voluntarily to your diet, And how are you going
to get like strong? And I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I don't have a gall bladder, and I lost a
part of my stomach at pancreas and and and call it.
So here's what I do. You eat small meals more often.
In fact, other than the cancer part of it, it's
forcing you to be healthy. It's forcing you because you
can't tolerate bad food. You can't tolerate it. So I'm
just going to eat well. I'm going to eat small
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meals more often as I have been doing. And then
but I don't want to gain all my weight back anyway.
I mean in a strange way, it's for me to
reset at a different point. And they said I'll never
get back to where I was anyway. And I worked
out three times a week. Now I'm only doing once
a week. So I'm going to get back to that
(32:57):
as I so as I gain weight back, it's not
going to just be seventy one year old flab.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Tel Martino is host of The Troubleshooter Show on our
sister station six thirty k HOW each weekday from ten
am to two pm. He is the longest running host
a talk show host in the entire country who's on
the air right now. And gosh, I'm just so grateful
to be able to sit here and talk to you
and hear you.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I mean, I love doing it, and the reason I
do it is not to toot my own horn, but
to tell people listen, you know, you got to be
in it to win it. Even those who's had there
have been people ross really with stage two and three
with the pancreatic cancer.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
That have beaten it.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Really, I mean, it doesn't have to be one or
pre stage one.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
There have been people.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I know my mother in law fourth four stage colon
cancer Colin. She had surgery and some chemo thirty years
or thirty five years ago, cancer free.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Wow, never came back stage four.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
You see again, when we here stage four, we hear
you're a goner. Yeah, but there are outliers, and that's
what I want people to do, to be the outlier.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Thanks so much for spending some time with us. Tom,
Thank you very much. We'll take a quick break. We'll
be right back on KAWA. And I'm just so grateful
the fact that I can sit here and talk with
my friend and longtime colleague Tom Martine because I did
the morning show over on kihow for six years, and
when I would be finishing is when he would be
coming in. I saw him almost every day, known him
(34:29):
for a long time. And you know, when I first
heard a diagnosis of pancreatic cancer, you know, having been
through that in my family with my father in law,
who was dead six weeks after being diagnosed, I thought
I was almost more than I wanted to think about.
But I heard some good things like Okay, this maybe
is not that bad a situation, and and but I
(34:50):
didn't I didn't ever go talk to him about it
because I'm kind of superstitious, and I just didn't want
to be in a situation to say something like, you know,
I'm hearing good things or it sounds like you're gonna
be okay. I just I know it's dumb, Like I
get it, it's dumb, but I just I didn't want
to say, oh, you know, it sounds like you're gonna
(35:12):
be fine, you understand, And then he drops dead two
weeks later. Yeah, because of what happened to my father
in law, I just so I didn't say anything to
him about it. It was on my mind a lot.
I didn't say anything to him about it until today.
It was the first time I talked to him about
it now that he's cancer free and done with chemo.
It's just an incredible thing.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
And for those who are listening live right now, i'll
have up in about twenty minutes. For those listening on
the podcast, guess what, it's.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Already there, already there. So all right, let's do a
couple other things, just some random, some random stuff. I
do want to let you know in the next couple
of segments of the show. I've got some interesting guests.
I'm gonna share with you my interview that I recorded
yesterday of the Denver Broncos punter who's from Australia. So
he's actually the only Broncos player I asked to interview
(35:59):
who only to interview the punter, but I did because
he's from Australia. So I'm gonna have that for you.
At some point during the show today, I will have
a pair of tickets to give away to tomorrow night's
Broncos Cardinals preseason game. A you sure, I am sure,
Dave texted me. I realized you had the same quandary
I did. Do we have a bear to give away
or not? And we do, so we'll do that at
(36:20):
some point during the show. The other thing you need
to know, at some point during today's show, we'll be
doing today's entries into our Flat Irons Fire giveaway. What
Flat Irons Fire is giving away is a gorgeous barbecue
grill called a Phantom Prestige five hundred. It's made by
a company called Napoleon, which is the same brand of
(36:41):
barbecue grill I bought for myself. And we'll be doing
a total of twelve entries over four weeks, and then
we'll have a drawing so that whoever gets the entries
has a pretty decent chance one out a twelve chance
of winning this twenty six hundred dollars barbecue grill. So
we'll be doing today's entries a little bit later in
the show. I think I'm sure actually that Gina mentioned
(37:05):
this on Colorado's Morning News a couple of days ago,
but I hadn't mentioned it yet, so I thought I would.
It's kind of wacky and dragon I would like to
know if you would if you would be interested in
trying this, and I don't know where we will be
able to get it because it's being rolled out in
Pittsburgh and not yet here, so I don't know when
it's going to be coming out here. But Heines, you know,
(37:27):
the Ketchup company food company, Heins are based in Pittsburgh,
and they are putting out a Ketchup smoothie in partnership
with Smoothie King, And what's in it is Heines's simply Ketchup.
So that's a version of Heinz's Ketchup that has a
very limited number of ingredients in it, fewer ingredients in
the regular Ketchup Heinz Simply Ketchup sie soorbet apple juice,
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strawberries and raspberries. And according to Axios, the limited run
drink is designed to supper prize skeptics with a sweet
and fruity flavor and a tangy ketchup finish. According to
the companies, the VP of Marketing over at Kraft Heines
because Kraft bought Hines so it says the idea of
a ketchup smoothie is provocative, and our top priority was
(38:16):
landing a delicious tasting fruit smoothie with distinct yet well
balanced ketchup notes, And you are well aware that Heines
has forever with this ketchup had on the label fifty
seven varieties, so they made the price of it five
dollars and seventy cents, so like fifty seven with another
(38:37):
another zero on the end. So Dragon, would you like
to try one of these?
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Only if we can also have what was advertised roughly
around this same time, the breast milk ice cream? What
you didn't hear about that one, because they were two
big stories.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Almost did not hear that. Don't want to try it?
Speaker 4 (38:52):
No, you want to try it. It doesn't have any
actual breast milk in it. They just claim that it
tastes like breast milk. So if we're going to do one.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Someone must have some adult must have gone to taste
breast milk then and then try and then come up
with some you know, sweet cream ice cream something or
other that tastes like breast milk at the time. Did
you ever? Did I ever?
Speaker 5 (39:15):
Did I?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I'm sure your wife bread breastfed your Oh do you
ask me if I tasted breast milk when my wife
was breastfeeding our children? Are you asking me that question?
On the air in public where everybody, like ten thousand
people just heard you ask me that question. Yeah, I
think the answer is no, although I wouldn't have put
it beyond me to try to do it, like I
(39:37):
think everybody's got that curiosity, so right, I think, oh right,
so you're saying I definitely wouldn't have done it if
it weren't straight from the source, because straight from the
source is the only thing that makes it fun, right. No,
it's not like I would have gone to get up
like and could they pumped the stuff and they store
(39:58):
it so all. I never know. I definitely did not
taste any of that. I either would have tasted it
straight from the source or not at all. And I
don't I actually don't remember, because we're talking about almost
twenty years ago now, and I don't did you.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
I'm sure there must have been at some point time.
It's you know, twenty five years for me. Yeah, I
don't know. Do I have interest in tasting? Was it
ice cream or sorbet ice cream? Ice cream that tastes
like breast milk? And which do we think which would
be better? The ketchup smoothie, yeah, or the breast milk
ice cream.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I think the Ketchup smoothie would be better. Yeah, yeah,
I did. I'd like to try the ketchup smoothie. I'm
not sure that I want to try the new pickle
swashy at Sonic. It's called pickle rit It's like pickle
juice and lime juice. Oh that Sonic has. I'm interested
in tasting it. I am interested in tasting it, but
I have a feeling the best of the three would
(40:52):
be the ketchup smoothie. All right, let's ask listeners which
one of these do you most want to try? Breast
milk flavored ice cream and that does not actually contain
breast milk ketch up smoothie. I'm guessing by the way
that there's just a very tiny amount of ketchup in it,
and it mostly tastes like a fruit smoothie, and then
it'll have a hint of a ketchup aftertaste. That's my guess. Okay,
(41:12):
But do you want to taste breast milk flavored ice cream,
ketch up smoothie, or a pickle lime juice slushy. Those
are your choices, Those apparently are all available. I didn't
know about the breast milk one, and I'm not that
interested in it. But maybe I'll try the smoothie and
you try the ice cream and then we can report
back on them.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
It's from Sonic, and the Sonic does hot dogs. Yeah,
typically there is the sweet relish on hot dogs, so
they use the what was it? The sweet pickle is
pulling a pickle juice, So it's a dill pickle a
sweet pickle, because that makes a world of difference things. Oh, yeah,
I'll do the dill pickle. Yeah, but the sweet pickle, I'm.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Gonna have to look that up. Maybe somebody can look
that up for a dragon. What kind of pickle slash
pickle juice is Sonic using in this new pickle rita
slushy drink? Because Dragon is saying he'll he'll try it
if it's the deal, and he won't try it if
it's the sweet correct, I won't want to do You
don't want to try it. You might be talked in
to trying it, right if we do it on the air.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
As a stunt, now, yeah, right, Okay, I may pick
up one of these on the way to work one
day soon, assuming they make them in the morning and
breakfast hours when I'm when I'm coming over, I may
try to get one of those one of those pickle slushies.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
The thing with the with the catch up smoothie is
I don't know if it's ever going to get to Denver,
but I would I would like to try it if
it did. All right, those were some very important questions.
Ponder those for a bit. Text us your thoughts at
five six, six nine zero and we'll be right back.
I'm gonna share with you an interview that I actually
recorded yesterday just after Broncos training camp practice. We waited
(42:46):
around for Sean Payton to get through his much longer
than usual answers to questions with reporters. Actually there was
a lot of interesting stuff there. A Rod had the
best question and the best answer any of the reporters
who asked Sean Payton anything yesterday, which was pretty cool.
So I got the chance to interview the Broncos new punter.
His name is Graham Jeremy Crosshaw and he's actually the
(43:08):
only Broncos player that's so far I've asked to interview
this year because he's from Australia and I used to
live in Australia and I married in Australia, and I
just think it's kind of cool. So here's the conversation.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
All right, I'm here with the man, the mustache, the legend,
Jeremy Crosshaw, the only Denver Bronco player. I asked the
interview because he's from Australia, where I lived for a
long time.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
It's really good to meet you.
Speaker 6 (43:29):
Thanks so much for taking a couple of minutes. All Right,
I'm gonna ask some ridiculous questions and then maybe some
not ridiculous questions. Laura or Katoomba if you had to
go for a weekend, Laura or Katoomba in the Blue Mountains, Yes.
Speaker 7 (43:42):
Sir, I lived near. I was probably about ten minutes
away from Kasumba when I grew up.
Speaker 6 (43:47):
That's why I yeah, yeah, by Emil Plains.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yes, Oh my gosh. So when you were a.
Speaker 6 (43:53):
Kid, did you play rugby?
Speaker 7 (43:56):
If so, what kind of rugby? I played rugby League.
It's a different version than the that I think Americans
think of. I played that for probably almost ten years
when I was a kid. Then I had a couple
of years off and I switched over to AFL, which
is more the kicking version. That's kind of where the
punning things started to take over.
Speaker 6 (44:11):
So I might be the only radio guy you've talked
to here who's been to a Sydney Swans game.
Speaker 8 (44:15):
You go, I love the Swans.
Speaker 6 (44:18):
Did you ever think you were gonna I mean, what
were your aspirations as a kid with sports? Did you
think you're going to be a professional athlete?
Speaker 8 (44:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (44:24):
I was always pretty talented at sports, was usually quicker
than the other kids, and so I loved playing sports.
And I was like the local team for us was
the Penrith Panthers, the rugby league team, and so I
just always wanted to play for them when I was
a kid.
Speaker 8 (44:35):
You know, I grew up.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
I was at church with one of the wingers that
played for the team, and I knew a lot of
the guys just growing up, and I always wanted to
be a rugby league player, but kind of just went
looking for other things found AFL. Started a little too
late to play that professionally, although I feel like I
had the skills to do well there. But yeah, I
kind of just found pro kick in American football and
loved it.
Speaker 6 (44:56):
So how did you find American football?
Speaker 9 (44:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (45:00):
I was kind of just like, what do I want?
Speaker 7 (45:01):
To do after school, and so that was one of
the things that I just went searching online and kind
of stumbled across Proking Australia's website and I was like,
that sounds awesome. Why not go to America for a
couple of years and just give that a crack, you know,
And so I did, and I found Nathan Chapman and
got in contact with him, and after I finished high school,
I moved down there and did the program.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
And here you are here Denver Bronco.
Speaker 8 (45:24):
Yeah, awesome, Yeah it is.
Speaker 6 (45:26):
How do you feel about Denver? Is you know anything
about Denver? Like just emotionally like, how was.
Speaker 8 (45:31):
This for you? Oh? This is absolutely dream come true?
Speaker 7 (45:33):
You know, out of all the teams that they had
an NFL wall in Florida and I always looked at
the Denver Bronco and I you know, I loved Colorado
before I came here. I just thought Colorado was a
beautiful spot. I originally wanted to go to see you,
but went to Florida instead.
Speaker 8 (45:49):
Loved it there, but you know, I love it.
Speaker 7 (45:52):
I'm so lucky to be here part of this organization
and there's something special brewing here.
Speaker 6 (45:56):
So I probably should ask you one football question at least.
So you just got in your first game, preseason game.
What was different about that from what you expected? Obviously
you played a lot of football, but first NFL thing
must be pretty special.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Yeah, and how did it surprise you with it all?
Speaker 8 (46:11):
Honestly, it didn't surprise me a whole lot.
Speaker 7 (46:13):
I think, you know, the operations and the schemes are
a lot simpler, but everyone's just really really good at
what they do, very detailed. So honestly, it wasn't anything crazy.
I think now learning some different stadiums and how the
wins work in those standums.
Speaker 8 (46:29):
You know, I played five years.
Speaker 7 (46:30):
In the SEC, so I played each place twice, sometimes
three times, so you understand the wind, you know how
to hit the ball there, right, But when you go
into a new stadium like that, the win was a challenge,
and it definitely challenged me. It wasn't my best performance,
but it's a learning experience. That's what the preseason games
are for, and so I'm lucky that I had that experience.
A bit of a humbling experience for sure. Yeah, but
we fixed it up for this week and we're hitting
(46:51):
the ball really well, so I'm really looking forward to
playing at home.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
You're even as a rookie, everyone's noticing your hangtime. Is
that something you think you got from somehow different training
growing up in Australia with the rugby or more even
with the AFL kind of game.
Speaker 7 (47:07):
Yeah, maybe AFL is all about touch and having that
feel on the ball and being held to manipulate a
little different than other can so potentially, but it's something. Yeah,
I definitely work very hot on even away from the building.
Speaker 8 (47:19):
I'm still doing ball.
Speaker 7 (47:19):
Drops in my living room and you know, it takes
a lot of effort to be to be good at
this position.
Speaker 8 (47:24):
So I probably.
Speaker 6 (47:25):
Shouldn't ask you this because of your age, but I
will great Northern VB or four X.
Speaker 8 (47:31):
I was a cult and dry guy. Oh okay, let that.
Speaker 6 (47:34):
Yeah, okay, I know a lot of people of these
are Australian beers. By the way, I should have been
looking at the camera more, but these are Australian beers.
Speaker 8 (47:40):
Uh huh.
Speaker 7 (47:41):
Yeah, So it's a bit of polarizing that one.
Speaker 8 (47:43):
A lot of guys like, what are you? What do
you like that? I don't know, I just do it
is it is what it is. Well, I'm gonna let
you go.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Thanks so much, it's a pleasure to meet you.
Speaker 6 (47:50):
Welcome to Colorado, Welcome to the Denver Broncos and uh stroof.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Which is one of my favorite os Hi whacky Little
in review. You can tell I'm not a sports interviewer.
That was a lot of fun. I suppose maybe I
should ask you a football question. Yeah, I enjoy I
enjoyed meeting the guy, and I will say, you know,
I asked him that question about what beer he likes.
Americans don't quite get this, but in Australia, your your
choice of beer says a lot about you more than
(48:16):
it does here. You know, you'll find some people here
who drink Cores, corps Light, bud Light, whatever. But over there,
like you'll get into huge arguments based on which which
beer you like. If Fosters will be fine, Oh my god, no,
Oh my gosh, no, Foster Foster's is Australians don't really
drink it, but it's Australian. It's Australian, but Australians don't
(48:39):
really drink it. And if you go over there and
ask for Fosters, they're gonna know you're a you're a tourist,
s or a rookie or something. It's not really a thing.
You can find it, but they don't. They don't, they
don't drink it. Okay, I'll tell you what I wanna.
I want to do right now. Actually, i'm gonna I'm
gonna make you wait a bit when we come back. Sorry,
I'm gonna make you wait when when we come back,
(48:59):
I am going to give away a pair of tickets
to Saturday evenings. Normally I don't give you this exact
a clue as to when I'm gonna do it. I'm
telling you I'm gonna do it. As soon as we
come back from this break. I'm gonna give away a
pair of tickets to Saturday nights Broncos Cardinals preseason game
where you will probably see Jeremy Crosshaw kickup punt or two.
(49:19):
And yeah, we'll do it right after this. All right,
Dragon just played the waiting by Tom Petty, and I'm
gonna make Dragon explain explain why. So I promised you
at the end of the last segment of the show
that as soon as we came back, we were gonna
do the giveaway for the Broncos Cardinals Saturday night preseason
game at Empower Field. At mile High. Before Dragon explains
(49:41):
to you why he played that music and how we're
gonna do the giveaway, let me make sure you know
that you're also gonna have an opportunity to wear to
win tickets on Koa's Instagram page, Instagram dot com slash
Koa Colorado on on our X page X dot com
slash Koa Colorado. So if you don't win with me
or over the air with some of our other folks,
(50:03):
you can you can try those ways. And then today
from three pm to six pm during KOA Sports, We're
gonna be giving away a pair every hour, so plenty
of ways to win tickets to Saturday night's game. I'm
actually going taking my taking my son a rare opportunity
to do something with my son. I couldn't believe he
said yes that he wanted to do something with me.
So that's that's pretty awesome. So I want to give
(50:24):
away a pair of tickets, but the Boss and I
want look, look, I wanted to make this really easy.
I wanted to give everybody who's listening a pair of tickets.
That's how nice a person I am. But my boss
is a bit of a hard ass, as you would
expect from a you know, a bald bearded Viking, kind
of a tough guy and doesn't doesn't want things to
(50:47):
be that easy for you. And I just I do
what I'm told. I do what I'm told because I
know I know who's who's in charge. I know who
is the guy behind the guy behind the guy. So Dragon,
why don't you tell people you have in your managerial
authority decided?
Speaker 4 (51:04):
Well, I do want it to be easy, but I
don't want it to be that easy. I still want
it to be hard. So I want to make sure
that you really want to go to this game. So
I want to be Text number three at five six,
six nine zero, Just say Broncos tickets or tickets give
your full name, first and last name and your email
address in ten minutes. So give a specific time ten
(51:29):
forty seven seventeen, ten forty seven and seventeen seconds.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
So that's what Dragon is doing, is even though I
promised I would give them away right away, he is
making you wait. And he's very proud of himself, all right.
Texture number three at ten forty seven and seventeen seconds.
And you have to include some reference to wanting tickets.
It's not it doesn't matter how that's worded, your name
(51:54):
and your email address. It's easy. It's easy. You just
have to have a little delayed satisfaction. As as Tom
Petty said, the waiting is the hardest, just hard. Remember
just nine yeah, coming up on, coming up on nine minutes.
So all right, there's that. And like I said, if
you don't win this pair of tickets, go to x
dot com slash Koa Colorado, Instagram dot com slash Koa Colorado.
(52:15):
You can win tickets there and we're gonna give away
a pair an hour during KOA Sports from three pm
to six pm today. Uh so, look to the person
who just texted in. You have to pay attention to
the rules, right we said ten minutes. I'll tell you
what though, since this was just a mistake, I will
let you dragon. If this person texting again on time,
(52:38):
we'll let him write. So this is another thing you need.
You need to know if you if you're new to
the show, you might not heard this before. The Kevin rule.
The Kevin rule, and that is that you may not
text in more than once on any particular giveaway. Right
because we say texture number three And then sometimes we
get people who spam us with with eight texts in
(52:59):
a eight seconds trying to be texture number three. So
if you do that, if you text in more than once,
all of your texts will be ignored, all right, and
just so everybody knows how we manage this, right, So
let's say, let's say Joe is texture number one, Bob
is texture number two, Jill is texted. No, let's say
(53:21):
Bob is texture number two, Jill is texture number three.
Then Bob again is texture number four. Bye Bob. So
the question then, Jasper Jasper dragon. Do we count Bob's
first text at all even toward the count, so that
is the third person is the third text, or still
the third textor and so Bob is ineligible but still
(53:44):
goes towards the count. Or do we pretend that didn't
even happen and the person who was the third texture
becomes the second texture At that point, Bob still has
to count, because then doing the math on that end
is going to be far too hard, especially if multiple
people send in multiple texts, right, and then count it
backwards and everything, so that would still count.
Speaker 4 (54:06):
But you are you can't. We're still disqualified. Even if
you are happen to be okay, correct and to.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
The person who just texted in with a phone number
that ends with four nine, you can you can try
again at the appropriate time. We dragon, I had a
let me let me find this here. Uh, here's the text.
I work at Sonic. The pickle rita is made with grillos, pickles,
and juice. You either love it or hate it. Swing
by and try our dill seasoned tots or fries along
(54:35):
with our dill smasher burger. So there you go, free
advertising for Sonic because a Sonic employee is listening to
the show and texted in, very well done to whoever
you are. What dill tots bill? You know? I gotta
say I am not much of a dill flavored guy,
you know. I'm like, for example, if I order a burger,
(54:57):
I will always order it with no pickles on it. Now,
if you give me a really good quality dill pickle
spear on the side, I'll eat it. But I don't
like pickles on my burger. Chick fil A, what about it?
They put the pickles on it the Chick fil A sandwich. Ye,
no pickles, no pickles ever on a sandwich. I just
don't like the flavor. It's too. I don't know, it's
(55:17):
too sour. It doesn't it doesn't blend with the with
the overall gestalt of the sandwich. You know, it's just
not it's not my thing. It's not it's not my thing, right,
what can I tell you?
Speaker 3 (55:30):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Look, here's another person texting in too early. Yes, it's
true that that that the Broncos and the Cardinals are
not playing their starters in this preseason game. That's okay.
I just love being at the stadium and an opportunity
to do something with my kid, and I'm just happy
to be there. And actually, as a Broncos fan, yeah, okay,
(55:51):
you want to see the famous players, the big money players,
you want to see the starters. I get that, But
in the preseason it's actually, I think as a football fan,
as a Broncos fan, it's for interesting to be able to, uh,
to watch some of the guys who right now are
on the bubble, are trying to make the team or
trying to make another team, or trying to make the
practice squad or trying to make something, and they're they're
(56:13):
gonna get out there, and you know, and the all
of these guys like, look, the worst player on the
field tomorrow is a better athlete than I ever was
on my best day, not like by by by miles
and miles, like, it's not close. It's so I'm I'm
happy to see any of this, And I don't mind
that they're that they're not playing their stars. Yeah, okay,
(56:35):
I'd like to see the stars, but I also don't
mind not and I'm just gonna be I'm just gonna
be happy to be there. All right, let's do something
completely different. So, as you well know, I studied foreign
policy in college. I studied Soviet politics, uh, Chinese politics,
nuclear strategy, national security, and and you know that, especially
as local radio talk hosts go in this country, is
(56:57):
probably not very many people who are more interesting and
foreign policy questions. And probably, frankly pat myself on the
back a little, probably not a lot of local radio
talk show hosts who who are better at this stuff.
But there's still a lot I don't know. And it's
not like I watch this every day. And right now,
well not right now, but in about three hours, President
Trump is going to be meeting with Russian dictator President
(57:20):
Vladimir Putin for well, they're gonna have some kind of
conversation that President Trump hopes will lead to a cessation
of hostilities. I don't know, but I wanted to have
someone on the show who knows a lot more than
I do and has been around the situation and has
been around the players, and has been around all of this,
and so I'm very pleased to have Kevin Sarelli joining
(57:41):
the show. He is the founder of a very cool
substack called Meet the Future. Right MTF dot tv is
one website you can find in or Meet the Future
dot substack dot com. And Kevin was the chief Washington
correspondent for Bloomberg TV and Radio, one of the first
journalists who was covering Donald Trump when he started running
(58:04):
for president in twenty fifteen, and he was actually at
the Hellsinki summat in twenty eighteen that had its own controversies,
that summit between Trump and Putin. So Kevin, welcome to Koway.
Thanks for making time for us, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 10 (58:19):
And I'm familiar with your show and I'm truly there
is no one better in the country who knows these topics,
so hopefully I can learn from you as well. So
thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
All Right, sorry, but I just have to ask, how
the heck are you familiar with my show? And why
I try to google?
Speaker 10 (58:36):
I try to google before I go on. Uh huh,
I like the I don't like to go on programs
if I don't know the shifts of what I'm getting
myself into.
Speaker 1 (58:45):
All Right, I've learned the hard way guy who does
his homework very good. Okay, So I've got many questions,
so we'll just jump into some of them in no
particular order. What do you think President Trump's true goal
is today? Maybe an achievable goal for today.
Speaker 10 (59:03):
Good guide toward peace, and a piece that maintains US
interests for decades to come. And the reason I say
that is because I remember being in Helsinki in twenty
eighteen covering Trump and Putin in the meeting, and it
was a very different President Trump in the sense that
this is someone who faced a lot of domestic questions
(59:25):
about his relationship with Russia. Fast forward to twenty twenty five,
and this is an emboldened president who is meeting with
I would describe a thug Vladimir Putin. Then Putin is
incredibly weak right now. He's weak in the sense that
he grossly miscalculated his egregious war with Ukraine. They have
lost more than one million lives. Russian lives lost one million.
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I mean, if there's one number I hope people remember today,
it's that when you're listening to Vladimir Putin later this afternoon,
or you're watching him on the news, that's the guy
who cost his country a million lives so that he
invade Ukraine. Ukrainians have lost more than one hundred thousand lives.
So that's what's happening on the hot warfront. Then you
look at the economic war, the economic war, and regardless
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of whether you're a supporter or the detractor of President Trump,
the US has been somewhat emphasis on somewhat consistent in
the sanctions that they have navigated in appro and heart
and waging against Moscow. The US, I would argue, is
winning the economic war because we are an economic war
with Russia. And the third point, as it relates to
the digital and I spent a lot of time on
(01:00:32):
the future and the future economies and whatnot, and that
is genuinely what I love to cover. The third front
is on this for the future. If we all remember
the disastrous Oval Office meeting between Zelensky and Trump, right,
we can it all went viral and there was a
disaster and blah blah blah blah blah. But what happened
after that meeting was that there was a lot of
(01:00:52):
discussions that I'm calling the pre deal, which is about
how the United States is signaling they're not going anywhere
on the economic front with rare earth minerals in the
reconstruction of Ukraine when there is an inevitable piece, and
as a result of that that on the economic war
is a long term strategic play to protect. Yes, rare
earth minerals, but what did the rare earth minerals build.
(01:01:14):
They build battery for electric vehicles, they build help to
contribute to the semiconductor ships supply chains, and also space satellites,
and I believe face is the final domain, and I
think that space is a huge part of this as well.
Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
So what I'm one of the things I'm wondering about
on the economic warfare thing is We've got all these sanctions,
and we've got these secondary sanctions going with India right now,
which is an interesting play. But my sense is that
even though Russia's economy is struggling, I doubt that there
is any economic pressure that Russia fears other than if
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somehow China were convinced to stop buying Russian energy, and
I think that's close to impossible. So I don't know
what Trump could threaten russa show with that. Putin would
think is a big enough threat for him to back
away from what he considers to be a historical imperative
to recapture Ukraine, which is a place he thinks should
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never have existed as an independent country.
Speaker 10 (01:02:16):
I think it's a great point, and I call them
the totalitarian twins, Shijingping and Vladimir Putin, who, by the way,
are conducting military exercises for the past several months off
the coast of Alaska, which is just a brazen, thuggish
attempt to signal lord knows what. But I do think
that the weakening, if President Trump is able to over
the next year weaken the dynamic between Shijingping and Vladimir Putin,
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that that overall is in the US best interest. If
any president is able to do that, that is in
the US best interest. But the cozying up of Russia
and China should alarm everyone.
Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Yeah, In terms of your.
Speaker 10 (01:02:51):
Question about the economics of this, totally, totally see what
you're saying, and hear you out.
Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
One thousand percent. But my.
Speaker 10 (01:03:00):
Response to that would be, but there are a lot
of rich oligarchs, thugs who surround Putin and their international
business portfolios, and the pressure that the US is able
to deploy on them, you know, it could put pressure
in by default on Putin. And so I think that
from from the apparatus of like the occipuses tentacles, I
(01:03:23):
think that that that could that could negatively impact Putin
over over the long term.
Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
We're talking with Kevin Sirelli. He's founder of mt F
dot TV's Meet the Future, Meet the Future dot substack
dot com and like I said, MTF dot dot tv.
So it must have been fascinating for you to be
on the ground in Helsinki, and there was a there
was a lot of controversy that came out of that
because I believe that was the meeting where Trump expressed
(01:03:50):
a little more confidence in well, in believing what Vladimir
Putin said versus what his own intelligence agencies said. And
you were talking correctly about how there was this kind
well Trump calls it a witch hunt and really unfair
stuff about Trump that dogged him through his entire first
term based on lies about his involvement with or being
(01:04:13):
a pawn of Russia, and at some points it kind
of seemed like he just wanted to put a thumb
in the eye of the people who were saying that
stuff by pretending to be, you know, tight with Russia,
just to mess with people. Now he's not like that anymore, Kevin,
I think, But still Trump has often seemed like a
guy who was easily manipulated by whoever spoke to him last.
And there's no better manipulator than Vladimir Putin. So how
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concerned do you think Ukraine and then, by extension, Europe
should be that Putin smooth talks Trump into doing more
or less what Russia wants.
Speaker 10 (01:04:51):
So I made this decision a long time ago, try
to not be the mood reader of Donald Trump, and
I do ever being in Helsinki, and what I remember
is the soccer ball, which is I was dusting off
my notebooks and looking at some old reporting stuff that
I did in prepping for today from the Helsinky summit.
And I don't know if people even remember this, but
(01:05:13):
Putin gifted a soccer ball to Trump, who then tossed
it to Milania in the front row, and yeah, like
that was the whole viral thing and the time that
everybody forgets about as it relates directly to the risk
that President Trump faces and the risk that Putin faces. Look,
there is a significant risk that if President Trump, and
(01:05:34):
he's already forecasted how he would get out of it,
which is that he would just end the meeting immediately.
But if Putin tries to go off the rails, as
his top diplomat did with the former Secretary of State
and the Biden administration in Alaska, where they had a
screaming match for like twenty minutes when they sat down.
I don't know if people remember that, but you can
google it or YouTube and it's riveting to watch diplomacy breakdown.
(01:05:57):
If that were to happen, Trump says that he would
just get up and walk out, and you know that
would signal both in the markets but also geopolitically that
this was a dud. But for Trump, you cannot, I
cannot overstate this. He cannot risk being the commander in
chief and being embarrassed on US soil by a hostile
foreign actor, especially at a military base. Nonetheless, so there
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is significant risk, but there's also a significant opportunity. And
for Putin, you know, he he if he plays his
cards wrong. The White House is indicated that again there's
sanctions or those additional stranglehold of the of the Russian
economy could be something that is on the table within
(01:06:43):
the next twenty four hours. To be honest.
Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
One of the things I wonder about, and I think
it's a long shot, but it's it's popped up in
conversation the past couple of days is the idea of
the US somehow being part of a broader package of
security guarantees for Ukraine, which has always seemed like something
Trump was very very much against, and yet it seems
to be being whispered about.
Speaker 10 (01:07:07):
Yeah, and you're talking about, well, I think the US
is already doing it. I mean, I would even says
I'm being whispered about it. It's being openly discussed. And
I think whether it's a Landslop agreement or concessions for
the rare earth minerals, because that's really again to go
back to the rare earth minerals, the US is playing
a very strategic long game, regardless of political party. I
(01:07:27):
would argue in terms of signaling to the region, the
Europeans and the Ukrainians that as it relates to rare
earth minerals, the US is strategically intertwining itself in the
future of Ukraine's reconstruction. We're not going anywhere, and we
can't go anywhere. All you have to do is look
at history. When a thug like Putin says that he's
(01:07:48):
not going to stop after Ukraine, believe him. Just look
at World War Two and what happened there. But where
I would argue that the US is having our freedom
of speech weaponized against US is on the digital disinformation front.
And I say digital disinformation, I'm not talking about necessarily
the twenty sixteen and I'm not relitigating that. I'm talking
(01:08:10):
about disinformation as it relates to misinformation related to Russia's
war against Ukraine. And we've seen the Chinese deploy this,
the Iranians, and the North Koreans to some extent, and
of course Russia.
Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
And so the digital.
Speaker 10 (01:08:23):
Disinformation campaign that those players that I just articulated, that
they're able to deploy and penetrate our own information ecosystems
of trusted information is something that the US needs to
do a better job descending itself against. So those four domains,
the hot war, economy, the economic warcraft, and disinformation, I
(01:08:47):
think are the four domains that I'm looking at this through.
Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
All Right, we're just about out of time here, Kevin.
So one last question for you. If you were a
betting man, would you bet for or against there being
at least somewhat durable ceasefire in this war by the
end of this year?
Speaker 10 (01:09:06):
Yes, I absolutely would. I think everybody wants peace, and
I'm I'm an optimist, and I think that you know,
I'm I'm I would hope that everybody's rooting for peace.
That the staggering loss of life is truly hard to comprehend.
I just think that it's also important to note that
it's a it's an enduring piece and one that uh
that keeps that check Putin, and that Putin understands that
(01:09:28):
he lost, he lost an incredible amount, And that you
are not going to break up NATO. You are not
even a Ukraine's not in it. But I would argue
in the long run, they're going to be in it,
and and you're not going to break up the US
and our support of Europe.
Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
I'm less optimistic than you are, but I'm going to
hope that you're right and I'm wrong. Kevin Sirelli is
founder of Meet the Future MTF dot tv or Meet
the Future dot substack dot com. Great to have you here, Kevin,
will definitely have you back. Thanks for making touch.
Speaker 10 (01:09:57):
Thank you have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
All right, you too.
Speaker 10 (01:09:59):
Talking about football?
Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
All right, you got it. All right, we'll take a
quick break and we'll be right back on KOA. All right,
very happy to welcome to the show or back to
the show. It's been a long time though, Romi Bean Romie.
I got to know romy a little bit when she
did a lot of radio here at KOA, and from
time to time i'd see her at Broncos games because
she was a Broncos cheerleader as well. She is the
(01:10:21):
lead sports anchor for CBS Colorado. She's the first woman
ever to be a lead sports anchor in Denver, and
she's doing a cool thing tomorrow that I wanted to
give her a chance to talk about on the show. So, Hi, Romey,
it's good to talk to you so roth.
Speaker 11 (01:10:36):
Thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 10 (01:10:37):
It's such a treat.
Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
So tell us about Girls in the Game. What do
people need to know? Where should they go, how do
they do this? What are you talking about? Yeah?
Speaker 11 (01:10:46):
Girls, So Girls in the Game.
Speaker 10 (01:10:47):
It's a free event.
Speaker 11 (01:10:48):
It's from nine to one tomorrow at the University of Denver,
and since schools not in session, there's also free parking
all around the campus, which is good news. You know,
parking is important. But Girls in the Game is designed
to empower young girls, young women to consider a career
in sports, to potentially pursue a career in sports, and
we have got so many incredible organizations who got over
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forty organizations that are going to be there. Everyone from
your favorite sports teams, the Broncos, the Nuggets, the Rocky, CEU,
cso down the line. We've gotten nonprofits and all sorts
of careers that maybe you didn't even consider. I think
when we started this event, when I was growing up,
I always wanted to pursue something in sports, but I
didn't know what that looked like, and there wasn't really
(01:11:32):
any sort of event available to me where there was
all of these careers in one place, and so we
wanted to create that for whether you're thinking about careers
and you're a younger girl, or you're a woman, or
you're in college. It's kind of designed for all ages.
We've also got sports clinics, So if you're coming and
you got a little sister who's like, I don't care
about careers, that's great. We've got twelve different sports clinics,
(01:11:56):
you know, everything from flag football to fencing. So it's
really designed for anyone of all ages, but really to
maybe tickle your brain to help you find your passion.
And there are so many incredible women that they are
going to be there careers that I didn't even know
existed ross you know, everything from what you think of right,
maybe the front facing media, to so much incredible work
(01:12:17):
behind the scenes, sports medicine, scouting, everything down the line.
So there's a little bit of everything there that maybe
just maybe we'll inspire, inspire someone to find a career
path in sports and get more women involved in the
world of sports.
Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Yeah, and like you said, there's so many different aspects
of potential careers in sports that go beyond just the
first thing that'll come to your mind. Right, it's going
to be a very very minuscule percentage of women or
men who end up being good enough at a sport
to actually be a professional athlete. And it's probably actually
even harder for women, right because they're just you know,
(01:12:51):
fewer professional sports leagues and fewer opportunities there. There's TV
stuff that you get to do. Not very many people
get to do that. What do you just pick, like
one or two other non obvious careers, potential careers in
sports for women that you think might be fascinating.
Speaker 11 (01:13:09):
Yeah, you know, we spoke to I spoke to a
young woman yesterday who is in sports psychology. You know,
growing up I always wanted to study psychology, I never did,
so du is going to have their sports psychology program there.
I think that's such a fascinating different aspects when you
think getting to help athletes on the mental side. I
think Air Force was there last year, they'll be here again,
(01:13:29):
and they have so many incredible jobs that have to
do with athletics but also have to do with you know,
high security and different kind of details like that, which
again are totally connected to the world of sports. You
still get to be part of a team, you still
get to be helping athletes, but something so far off
the spectrum that I would have never thought, Oh, yeah, wow,
(01:13:50):
this is totally a job in sports, and then you
see a lot of you know, the marketing and the
community work and all of those kind of different jobs
as well. So I think that the Air Force jobs
would really cool though, because it's if you have a
passion as well for service and you want to be
involved in athletics as well, right, that's an avenue that
you can pursue. So those are some of the cool
(01:14:11):
One sports medicine. We're really happy to have sports medicine
on board this year. I also wanted to be a doctor.
I wanted to be a lot of things. Rosman ended
up being on TV right, So, but all of these
things have that tie into the world of sports. A
lot of people who were former athletes and are looking
for how do I keep being part of this world
when I'm not performing on the field anymore. And there's
just so many different ways.
Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
So ROMI tell us how folks can can register to
attend Girls in the Game, which, folks, if you didn't
get this before, it's free right at DU tomorrow. But
how can folks get all the information sign up if
they need to, or can they just show up? But
what websites should they go to and so on yees,
so you can do both.
Speaker 11 (01:14:52):
We'd love for you to register before if you can,
Cbscolorado dot com slash Girls in the Game and there's
a link to register there. You can see more of
all the organizations are coming. But if you don't have
time to register, no big deal. You can register on
site tomorrow again. It goes from nine to one and
it's on the University of Denver campus. It's in the
Hamilton Gymnasium, but there'll be directions around there if you
(01:15:15):
can't find where you're going, so you can register before.
But if you don't, don't worry to show up.
Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
You can register.
Speaker 11 (01:15:20):
It's free and I'd love to have everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Out there awesome. Romy Bean is CBS Colorado's lead sports anchor,
first woman ever to be lead sports anchor in Denver,
pretty fantastic and hosting Girls in the Game tomorrow at
du So you can go where romy just said. And
if you forget any of that, if you go to
my blog at Rosskominski dot com and click on the
Friday blogcast, I've got the links with the information for
(01:15:44):
Girls in the Game, including where you can sign up
and where you go and when it is and all
that very cool event. ROMI, thanks, thanks for doing what
you're doing. Thanks for telling my listeners about it.
Speaker 11 (01:15:53):
Yeah, Roth, I appreciate it so much.
Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Thank you for letting me share glad To glad To.
All right, that's romy. She's cool. I like, I like roaming.
She was around here for a little while when I
first started doing radio here. All right, we still have
a ton of stuff to do, including including we don't
have much time left to do it, so it's got
to be coming up pretty soon. Today's entry into the
Flat Irons Fire giveaway for this twenty six hundred dollars barbecue.
(01:16:19):
So we're we're gonna do a total of twelve entries
over over four weeks, and then we're gonna do a
random drawing among just those twelve entrants. You'll have a
one out of twelve chance of winning the twenty six
hundred dollars barbecue if you get into the giveaway. So
we'll be doing that coming up in the next few
minutes here on Kowa. All right, all right, why not?
(01:16:39):
So this is a fun thing. So you know, Flat
Irons Fire is just awesome. Actually, Kristen and I went
there two days ago. Just a gorgeous showroom slash gallery,
the nicest fireplace story you're ever going to see. And
they have outdoor fire pits and they've got amazing outdoor
barbecue grills and pizza ovens and stuff like that. So
(01:17:01):
one of the top brands that they sell for outdoor
barbecue grills happens to be the same brand that I
bought a couple of years back doing my own research,
and I just found that that was the best what
you might call high end brand that had, you know,
fairly reasonable prices but still you know, nice stuff. So
Flat Irons Fire is doing another giveaway just for my
(01:17:23):
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Napoleon and it's called a Phantom Prestige five hundred. And
this thing is just an absolutely gorgeous barbecue grill and
it's got rotissary burners and it's even got Wi Fi
connectivity so you can keep an eye on your on
your phone. It's what the temperature is on the grill.
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It retails for over twenty six hundred dollars. So what
we're going to do is we're going to do three
entries today and three entries each of the next three
weeks a total of twelve entries, and then shortly after
that we will do a random drawing with just twelve
people entered in order to win this over twenty six
hundred dollar barbecue grill. I'm going to give away one
entry on the air, uh in just a moment or
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two here, and then the other two entries today we
will do on our social media accounts x dot com
slash koa Colorado, Instagram dot com slash koa Colorado. Get
over to either of those. You can try both. You
can't end up with two entries, but you can try
over and over to win on our social media accounts
and maybe you'll get one of the entries, So go
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do that. So Dragon and I thought we might do
something a little different. You know, for for a long
time now, I've kind of avoided the phone. We mostly
do listener texts and I love working with the text line.
But we thought it might be fun just to do
this particular entry giveaway into it by buy phone. So, Dragon,
how do you want to how do you want to
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do this? Caller number one and when four right now?
Caller number four right now, and you don't have to
answer any questions all right, caller number four right now
at three oh three, seven to one, three eighty five
eighty five. That's the phone number three oh three, seven
to one, three eighty five eighty five. Caller number four
right now will win the entry into the drawing. So
(01:19:10):
you will have a one out of twelve chance when
we do the final drawing to win a barbecue grill
that retails for over twenty six hundred dollars. So there's
that we are going to do a cool thing. In
the next segment of the show, another guest had a
lot of guests today, it's just sort of worked out
that way talking about beef prices, and this guy really knows.
I think you're going to find it super interesting. I
(01:19:31):
want to just mention a quick story that I hadn't
really touched on, and I think this falls into the
category of ideas that the Trump administration has that are
interesting ideas based on a real thing, and we just
have to hope they don't take it too far as
they often do. And this is the White House telling
(01:19:53):
the Smithsonian Institution that the White House wants them to
kind of clean up their at and to stop having
so much bias as the Trump administration perceives it, and
this is from there's actually an executive order about it.
This initiative aims to ensure alignment with the President's directive
(01:20:14):
to celebrate American exceptionalism, remove divisive or partisan narratives, and
restore confidence in our shared cultural institutions. There is no
doubt that, like so many other institutions, the Smithsonian got
very woke, and they would have all kinds of left
wing propaganda in this or that sort of exhibit. I
(01:20:34):
realized the most famous stuff is probably the Air and
Space Museum. There's not a lot of opportunity for wokeness there.
But you start talking about art galleries, for example, and
you can do things where you have artist after artists
after artists, who criticizes America, hates America, that kind of thing.
And what I just want to focus on for one
(01:20:55):
moment is that I hope that the Trump administration does
not go down the road of trying to remove from
the museums anybody who is critical of the United States
of America. This has to be about balance and not
about purity when it comes to museums, when it comes
to art, when it comes to any of that, there
may be artists who make let's say, a painting, sculpture
(01:21:18):
whatever that's anti war, critical of America about something. We
have to allow that. We have to encourage that. There
has to be the ability to have a little sign
up next to a painting saying such and such an
artist did this in such and such a year because
his brother was killed fighting in Vietnam and he thought
(01:21:39):
it was an unjust war and America was making an
enormous moral mistake. Right, we have to have that stuff.
So it's not that the and this is where I
hope they do it right. They should not be stripping
that stuff out of American music, out of the Smithsonian.
What they need to do is make sure that the
Smithsonian has balance so that if there are arts who
(01:22:00):
want to praise America or want to praise whatever, that
everybody's got an equal shot regardless of the message. And
that has not been the case. So I do think
they are onto a legit thing here. I just hope
they execute it in a way that is faithful to
what museums are really supposed to be about. And that
(01:22:21):
is not about ideological purity. From the brilliant comedian Stephen Wright,
and this is about a time that he got on
the bus and sat down next to a gorgeous blonde
Chinese girl and this is the rest of the story.
Speaker 9 (01:22:39):
And she said, well, I've just come back to my
analyst and he's still unable to help me. Nice, what's
the problem. And she paused and said, I'm a nymphomaniac
and I only get turned on my Jewish cowboys. Then
she said, by the way, my name is Diane. And
I said, hello, Diane, I'm bucket goal to it.
Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Mm hmm, there you go. I hope you under I
hope you understood that I won't I won't say what
it was again. So uh, my next guest Bucky Goldstein,
a Jewish cowboy. No, his name is Jordan Levi Levy
and and uh and Jordan is CEO of Arcadia Asset Management.
And you might not have heard of Arcadia Asset Management,
(01:23:24):
but they they owned five Rivers Cattle Feeding, which is
the largest cattle feeding operation in the entire world. So
there's a very big deal. Nobody's nobody knows more about
the price of beef at the supermarket than Jordan does.
And it's something I've wanted to talk with him about
for for quite some time. He's a busy dude, but
he made time for us today. So what's up there, Bucky.
Speaker 5 (01:23:49):
Good to see you.
Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Ros glad to do it, very glad to do it.
So you and I talked a while back, more like
kind of COVID sort of time frame. There are issues
going on with labor shortages at the processing facilities and
stuff like that, and I kind of thought then that
when COVID settled out, settled down, the price of beef
(01:24:11):
would go down. And it definitely hasn't, and of course
other things haven't either. Beef isn't alone in that. But
can you tell us why why is beef so expensive?
Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
I think fundamentally speaking, we have the smallest cowherd since
the nineteen fifties, and while we can produce more with
less and we have. If you look at total tonnage,
it's about equal to a year ago, and twenty four
was equal to twenty twenty three. But people want the product,
and I think that's the most amazing part. So as
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we're producing more tonnage with less head, we are finding
insatiable demand from the consumers. And that's for a variety
of reasons.
Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Okay, So I'm trying to understand produce more with less.
So I'm just in my non expert brain, I think
of a few possibilities producing more meat with fewer cows.
Either means you're cutting them differently, and I sort of
doubt that because cutting was probably pretty efficient already. The
cows are bigger maybe, or maybe there's something where there's
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a higher survival like a lower attrition rate of cattle,
so a bigger percentage of them are making it all
the way to becoming food bo So what is it.
Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
It's ultimately the amount of pounds for putting on the animal.
It's one of the best sustainability stories in agriculture is
the fact that we can produce more beef to day
with the same amount of cattle that we had in
the nineteen fifties. And I think that that's the great
part of the story, which is the weights are getting
bigger due to genetics and more precision feet stuffs, and
(01:25:53):
so the producer is doing all they can to help
meet the demand of the consumer who just loves beef
right now, whether it's MAHA or the greater adaptation of
GLP ones, people want protein and they want the highest quality,
best tasting protein and that protein is beef.
Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Wow. Okay, so what about the cost of feed? Right?
Grain prices can be highly variable, although I haven't heard
a lot about a lot of volatility and grain prices lately,
But there have been times, and you and I have
a mutual friend who was pretty big involved in all
this stuff and trading the grains and all, there have
(01:26:35):
been times when the stuff you might feed the cows
got very expensive and that might make the cows more expensive.
Is that happening now or is feed pricing kind of
under control?
Speaker 10 (01:26:45):
No?
Speaker 5 (01:26:45):
Quite the opposite. Ross.
Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
In fact, we're putting in kind of contract lows and
corn the last couple of days, and so the cost
to put on additional pounds is not as expensive as
it has been in the past. Which is part of
the reason that the weights have increased so much. Is
that you know, the grain farmer has made it, has
made their product. There are input cheap, and as a result,
(01:27:10):
we're able to increase weights to help satiate that demand.
Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
So I'm president of a bad analogy club. I'm gonna throw
something at you, and I want you to tell me
if it's reasonable. The airline industry, for many years was
famously volatile when it came came to their finances, and
you'd have airlines with some frequency going bankrupt. And one
(01:27:36):
of the things the airlines did in recent years to
try to deal with that, and with great success, is
to massively cut the number of flights that are available.
So now instead of five flights a day to DC,
there are three, and instead of five flights a day
being sixty percent full, there are three flights a day
that are one hundred percent full. Is that a similar
(01:27:56):
dynamic to why there are fewer head of cattle or
is there another reason or multiple reasons.
Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
I wish our industry was that sophisticated, but that's not
how it works. Ultimately, we buy cattle from the cowcaf producer.
The cowcat producer is the picture the beautiful ranches post COVID.
The economics were terrible and so they had to liquidate
herd and then in addition drought said in key cow
(01:28:26):
calf areas. And so when you have poor economics and
poor drought, you have to liquidate your herd, and by
the time that hits the market, which is where we
are today, the signal is to start rebuilding the herd,
and we can't rebuild the herd and get you a
steak tomorrow. And so unfortunately, the supply situation gets tighter
(01:28:48):
before it gets looser. As we bring young females out
of the production chain, we breathe them, and sadly it's
about a year from the time we take a heifer
a female out of out of meat production and bring
bringing a steak on the plate. So I guess the
(01:29:08):
good news is is that I think the industry is
starting to show signs of life in terms of bringing
more animals to market. The bad news is it takes
a long time to bring you an animal that ultimately
is a great steak or a wonderful a wonderful, wonderful burger.
Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
We're talking with Jordan Lavy. He is CEO of Arcadia
Asset Management and Arcadia owns Five Rivers Cattle Feeding, which
is the largest cattle feeding operation in the world. So
let's talk about this from the perspective either of the
rancher who's selling you the cows, and then also from
your perspective, is it better for them? Is it better
(01:29:47):
for you to sell fewer cows for a higher price
or more cows for a lower prices? Is it an
easily calculable thing, like where it might be better to like,
how do you decide between selling ten million at fifteen
dollars a pound and fifteen million a ten dollars a pound.
Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
Yeah, we've got some really smart PhDs in the office
that help us make those calculations. I would tell you
from where I sit, I like abundant supplies. The reason
I like abundant supplies is there's less volatility in the
market and we keep our consumers happy. And we need
to keep our consumers happy so that we have a
long tail of demand. We don't want to blip on
the radar of just demand for a year or two.
(01:30:28):
We want to make consumers eat beef for the rest
of their lives and then build consumers both domestically and
globally to consume our beef. I think it's important to
also note that one of the reasons that the supply
situation is so tight it's not just the domestic supply.
The domestic supply, as I mentioned, is the tightest since
the nineteen fifties. Tariffs have also reduced the amount of
(01:30:50):
beef coming into the US. In addition, New World screwworm,
which is really important. It's a parasite that's been found
in mexic and had been eradicated over forty fifty years
ago is back. And as a result, we've closed the
border between the United States and Mexico from bringing cattle
(01:31:11):
supplies from Mexico into the United States. So the combination
of our tight herd plus the border being shut, plus
the tariffs is creating a very tight supply situation at
the time. We've never seen the consumer want our product more.
We hear the signals from the consumer, and we're doing
everything we can to increase supply, both in headcount and
(01:31:34):
in tonnage. Unfortunately, the head count takes a while to materialize.
Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
Yeah, and you know, I only ever traded commodities a
little bit. I trade mostly stock options and stuff like that.
So I traded soybeans and corn for like a few
weeks on the border trades. I don't know this. I
don't know this stuff very well, but it does seem
to me that it's a little bit surprising, let's say,
to have super tight markets in cattle while setting contract
(01:32:05):
lows in corn.
Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
It is it is certainly an anomaly. There is no
doubt generally speaking, the rising tide lifts all boats. But
I think that speaks to the demand side. Ross and
I've been trying to give you the alley oop here,
But the demand side is the real beautiful story here, yeah,
is that consumers want our beef. And I think part
of that reason is this huge adaptation or adoption excuse me,
(01:32:29):
of GLP once.
Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
Indeed, so much conversation about people. It's been going on
for a while, but accelerating lately, with people aiming towards
higher protein diets, lower carb diets and all this stuff.
And protein is becoming bigger and bigger and bigger, and
beef is certainly a beneficiary. And so it's kind of
hard to tease out because there's so many things going
on at the same time, it's kind of hard to
(01:32:52):
tease out what exactly is causing how much of the
price rise or the lack of price decline or whatever.
How much do you And when I say you, now,
I mean the industry worry that when a ribbi goes
from nine dollars a pound to seventeen dollars a pound
that people who have been beefeeders we'll start thinking a
(01:33:14):
little bit more about chicken or pork and then maybe
even if beef comes down, they'll be like, you know,
I kind of like the pork, not sure if I'll
come back. Is that a kind of thing that concerns you,
as being such a big player in the industry.
Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
Sure, if I put my economist hat on, or if
I was sitting next to my chief of staff over
at the office, he would tell you the most important
economic sinignal is disposable income.
Speaker 5 (01:33:41):
And so we watched that like a hawk.
Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
And so we're starting to hear stories about early signs
of recession, and then the consumer will ultimately trade down
to a different protein.
Speaker 5 (01:33:53):
I like to believe that we offer the most tastiest.
Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
Protein or animal protein out there, and that the consumer
ultimately comes back. We also have to remember that beef
is being consumed more at home than at the restaurants
in this post COVID atmosphere, and so beef is significantly
cheaper in their pocket eating it at home relative to
eating it at a restaurant. And so, but the bottom
(01:34:19):
line is ross to answer your question, you know, doubling
the price of a rabbi certainly does scare us, Yes,
which is why I think the industry is beginning to
respond to the economic signals. It's making cattle bigger because
the inputs are cheaper, but the signal is there, and
ultimately we're beginning that rebuild process.
Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
All right, let me just switch gears with you for
a moment. And this might be a little bit outside
of what five rivers specifically does, but I'm sure you
know all the answers. And this came from a colleague
of mine wanted me to ask you this when I
told him you were going to be on. Can you
please tell us what wag you means and what American
wag you means and then maybe just talk about that
(01:34:59):
segment of the market a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
Yeah, So wagu and American wagu means delicious.
Speaker 5 (01:35:06):
That's a Joe Bross.
Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
But Wagu beef and American wag you be it's generally speaking,
wag you beef is produced in Japan and American Wagu
beef is produced in the United States. That American Wagu
beef is generally fifty to fifty wagu and the other
like that.
Speaker 5 (01:35:25):
Let's say the.
Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
Father is wagu, a wagu bull and either an angus
or a different breed of cow, and so it is
predominantly WAGU because it's greater than fifty percent. We're big,
big proponents of American wagu. We're large producers of it,
and those of you that haven't tried it, I highly
recommend it. And I think once you try it, you'll
(01:35:48):
never trade the pork ever or chicken.
Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
What's better about it?
Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
It has a tremendous fat and flavor profile that you
cannot all always get from a prime steak. It's so rich,
and so think of it as dark chocolate versus milk chocolate.
Both are delicious, but sometimes you want to create that
dark chocolate because you want that richness.
Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Last question for you, Jordan, and going back to our
previous topic, if if you were a betting man, give me,
give me right now a price for a benchmark grade
of beef that everybody in your industry would be talking
about in terms of dollars per pound. What's just some
benchmark number.
Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
Yeah, So today we're selling beef cattle at about two
dollars and forty cents a pound, which would be a
record of futures the exchanges posting around two thirty five.
We had a meeting yesterday and I said two fifty
before two twenty. Wow, so I think we'll put kind
of a cycle high here in the next I don't know,
(01:36:52):
between now and the middle of first quarter of twenty six,
and we'll see live cattle prices at two dollars and
fifty cents pounds. So to our consumer friends, what I
would tell you is it's probably going to get more
expensive before it gets cheap.
Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
Okay. And then the last question, when what's your best
guess as to when it will be cheaper? Like, when
will it be below two dollars?
Speaker 5 (01:37:13):
It'll be below two dollars.
Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
I'd hate to say never, but two dollars seems real
cheap in this environment.
Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Wow, So maybe never, fascinating, fascinating.
Speaker 5 (01:37:27):
Probably in twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
Twenty seven, Ross, that's when we'd see two dollars again.
Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
Wow. Jordan Lavy is CEO of ur Kadie Asset Management.
They own five Rivers Cattle, which is the largest cattle
feeding operation in the entire world. Probably very very few
people in the world know as much about about beef
and the cattle market as Jordan. I'm very grateful for
your time as always, and thanks, thanks so much, and
we'll keep in touch.
Speaker 5 (01:37:51):
Yeah, awesome, Come and see us, Ross, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
We'll do, we'll do. They're based in Johnstown, by the way,
which is pretty cool right here, right here in Colorado. Okay,
hey folks, if you're listening on the podcast right now,
that's the end of today's show. Thank you so much
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