08-19-25 - *FULL SHOW* Historic Meeting; Sharing 'Epstein Files'; Death Dinners

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Lots to talk about today.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
We got some interesting guests, lots of topics, and I
think just it's such I often like to start the
show with something other than the thing that's on all
the news stations. But I'm going to today and that's
talking about the meeting that we covered some of yesterday
during the show of President Trump with a whole bunch
of European leaders plus the President of Ukraine, Volodimir Lensky,

(00:25):
and lots of talk with some things I just want
to cover with you.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
First.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
I saw some headlines or heard some talking heads yesterday who.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
I thought we're making a mistake in.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Their analysis, with headlines along the lines of Donald Trump
refuses to rule out American boots on the ground regarding
these security guarantees that have been talked about so much.
And I actually want to focus on the security guarantees
for a little bit here. So I actually wrote a
note yesterday and it's it's up on my substack right now.

(01:02):
I hope you'll go check it out at Rosskominsky dot com.
And what I said was, while Donald Trump as president,
the chance of American boots on the ground in Ukraine
is like close to zero, and the people who So
remember yesterday, if you were listening, we played.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Some of President Trump's.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Conversation back in questions back and forth with the media.
Zelensky was in the room with him, and there was
a question about boots on.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
The ground and Trump kind of deflected.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
He deflected a lot of questions there yesterday, which actually
thought was the right thing to do. So when I
say he deflected, I don't mean it as a criticism.
He just answered what he wanted to answer yesterday and
was fine.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
And somebody asked.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Him about boots on the ground and he kind of
pivoted and answered something else, And then you had these
these you know, pundits and news anchor and so on,
running with headlines like Trump refuses to rule out American
boots on the ground in Ukraine, And that was a
dumb take. There was never Trump was never going to
say there would be boots on the ground in Ukraine.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
He was just not answering the question.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
And so when you have these either they're not very
smart or they're just trolling for clicks or there. I
don't know what they're doing when they say Trump refuses
to rule out X, when you know X isn't gonna be.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
It was a little weird. So I wrote a piece for.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
My sub sec it's up there, you can read it,
in which I said, look, when America is talking about
security guarantees, you know, maybe there will be European boots
on the ground, and we'll get to that in a second,
but American, the American part in security guarantees for Ukraine
would be things like making sure to sell weapons to

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Europe and Ukraine would be things like sharing intelligence, would
be things like helping with command in control where that
makes sense, to coordinate military activities in Ukraine. It wouldn't
mean it was not gonna mean boots on the ground,
American boots on the ground.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
And then this morning, this morning the White House said no.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
No American boots on the ground. And I was just
a little frustrated by not by that, but by the
stupid chatter yesterday from people implying that somehow, when President
Trump refused to explicitly deal with that question, that somehow
he was leaving the door open for American boots on

(03:37):
the ground. Don't you realize what we're talking about here,
We're talking about President Trump. That would be American boots
on the ground in Ukraine would be as big a
betrayal as you can imagine of what his base thought
they were voting for when they voted him in, And
it was never going to happen. So now let's talk
about what will happen. So you've got this security guarantee thing.

(03:57):
But what's very interesting about is we don't know what
it means. We really don't know what it means. What
does it mean? What do European security guarantees mean for
Ukraine and then American security guarantee behind that?

Speaker 1 (04:11):
What exactly does that mean? Not sure they're either.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
I talked about it a little bit briefly a moment ago.
Does it mean, for example, forces from European countries not
explicitly operating under NATO but putting together a sort of
coalition of the willing and sending some of their people
into Ukraine to function as some combination of peacekeeper and tripwire.

(04:35):
And you wouldn't really want to be a tripwire in
front in front of Vladimir Putin in Ukraine. But maybe
they'll end up with that, right because then if Vladimir
Putin kills a European Western European as opposed to Ukrainian
soldier that would be a much bigger risk for Putin
to take. So does it mean that maybe does it

(04:57):
mean more of a sternly worded letter saying the Vladimir
Putin all right, you know, as part of this piece deal,
you got to get out of all of these various
parts of Ukraine, and you can keep that part whatever,
but you better not cross this line. And if you do,
we're gonna wag our finger at you. Or does it
mean if you do, we're gonna shoot at you? Would
they even do that? Given that Vladimir Putin does seem

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crazy enough to use a nuclear weapon, and of course
he wants to.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Seem that crazy. It's to his advantage to seem.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Crazy enough to use a nuclear weapon, right if we
think he might use a nuclear weapon, we'll be afraid
to push back on him too hard at all.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
And that's actually how this has been playing out.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
But again, you can't blame Europe or Trump for thinking
that Putin might just be crazy enough to do it.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I don't know that he's not, So it's all kind
of a mess.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
And here's the other thing that's interesting is that President Trump,
after the Friday meeting in Alaska with dictator Putin said
that Putin had agreed to European and American security guarantees
for Ukraine, but he didn't define it, And I don't
know that a definition of it even came up in
their meeting.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
It might have just come along the lines of Trump.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Saying we are we the United States are going to
be involved with European security guarantees for Ukraine, and Putin
saying that's fine with us, without defining it any further.
But now we have this conversation about will there be
peacekeeping forces, will there be American boots on the ground,
will there be YadA, YadA, YadA, And yesterday you had

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the Russian government come out and say that Russia will
not accept European forces in Ukraine.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
So now what now? Where are we?

Speaker 2 (06:46):
And the reason this is important is not just the
confusion and the miscommunication and all that.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
That's not why it's important.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Why it's important is that in order for Ukraine to
be willing to agree a peace deal in which they
give up more than they otherwise might accept giving up,
they might be willing to do that if it comes
along with really credible Europeans supported by American security guarantees.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Such that Ukraine feels that.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
The Europe at least and with America backing them up,
has made a real commitment to killing Russians if Russia
crosses into Ukraine again after the peace deal. So we'll see,
this is going to be an enormous Everything in this
deal is going to be an enormous hurdle. Right, you'd

(07:45):
have to think that Vladimir Putin has no interest in
peace as long as he thinks his economy can survive.
That's why I keep saying, I think it's unlikely. Nothing's impossible,
but I think it's unlikely that you get to a
peace deal anytime soon unless China says they're going to
stop buying Russian energy, and I don't think that's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
The only other way out of this is if.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
The handful or two hands full of Russian billionaire oligarchs
find that, because of the harm to the Russian economy
from the war, they are not making money anymore, or
maybe even losing money.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
And in that case, there.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Is a small but non zero chance that Vladimir Putin
wakes up dead one day, that Vladimir Putin catches a
high speed lead injection into his cerebrum one day. Again,
small chance, because Putin is extremely security conscious, and you'd
have to think that if you try to go after

(08:48):
Putin and fail, that not only will you be dead,
but your whole family will be dead and tortured and everything.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
So, but these things are possible, and what we need
to keep in mind, especially in war, and then especially
when you start talking about characters.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Like Putin and Trump who can.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Famously change their minds at any given moment, that the
unknown unknowns in this situation are very large in number
and very large in scale and import. Anybody who predicts
with any level of confidence what's gonna happen next is

(09:28):
a liar or a fool. If you would do me
a favor, I would be quite grateful if you would
go over to Rosskominski dot substack dot com and have
a read and perhaps perhaps subscribe if you feel like it,
to my substack Rosskominsky dot substack dot com. It's absolutely
free to subscribe. It's probably worth even a little bit

(09:51):
more than that.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
And yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
I think you'll you'll find it useful. I try to
write a couple of times a week. It's not every day.
It's the sort of medium to long format kinds of
notes going in depth on this issue or that issue.
Today's note is some further thoughts on the president's meeting
with European leaders and Ukrainian President Zelenski.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Later, I want to let you know a couple of.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Things we've got coming up in the next hour as
far as guests, We're gonna have Tracy Dawd, who is
Special Agent in charge of the Economic Crimes Unit with
the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, and we're going to talk
about economic crimes fraud, that kind of thing going on
right now here in Colorado. And actually Kelly Kawfield from

(10:41):
the Common Sense Institute is going to join us because
they've got an event. The Common Sense Institute has an
event going on next week about financial fraud and if
you're in banking anything like that where this can impact you,
you're going to find it interesting and important and it's
a free event, so we'll give you all that information,
and it's also all the information is up on my

(11:01):
blog as well at Rosskiminski dot com.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Also, don't forget, at.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Some point during today's show, I am going to give
away this week's entry into the flatirons fire drawing that
we're gonna do in a few weeks, and they're only
gonna be twelve entries, so there'll be one out of
twelve chance to win a twenty six hundred dollars fantastically
gorgeous Napoleon gas grill. Right, So I'm gonna give away

(11:26):
one of those entries today and then the big final
drawing will be in a few weeks.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
There will only be twelve entrants into the final drawings.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
If you get one of these entries, you've got a
measurable chance of winning this barbecue grill.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
So that'll be at some point during the show today.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
All right, let me talk about two stories that are
somewhat related to each other. So first, this came out yesterday,
and actually I think I heard either Pat or Chad
or David maybe mention it. Newsmax, which is a conservative
cable news outlet to the right of Fox News by

(12:04):
a modest margin.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
During the whole.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Aftermath of the twenty twenty election thing, they got involved
in accusations against Dominion Voting, which is actually a Colorado
based company.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
And they claimed that Dominion Voting.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
That their machines were switching votes and that the company
was part of a plot to throw the election to
Donald Trump, and all of that was lies based on
absolutely nothing. You may recall that Fox News had to
spend almost eight hundred million dollars for making similar claims.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
And in any case, what we learned yesterday is.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
That Newsmax is going to pay sixty seven million dollars
to settle this lawsuit. It was basically a defamation lawsuit
brought by Dominion Voting against Newsmax for just repeatedly stating
lies about Dominion voting machines.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
So there's that.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Newsmax is going to pay sixty seven million dollars. And
I'm sure that sixty seven million is a lot more
to Newsmax than eight hundred million is to Fox on
a percentage basis. Right, Fox is much more than ten
times bigger than Newsmax.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
So there's that now.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Also, what we had a few hours before, and this
is a strange thing because it seems like Trump was
provoked into it by Vladimir Putin is Trump posted early
yesterday on truth Social he said, I'm going to lead
a movement to get rid of mail in ballots. And also,
while we're at it, highly inaccurate, expensive and controversial voting

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machines which cost ten times more than accurate and sophisticated
watermark paper, which is faster and leaves no doubt as
to who won and who lost. So, first of all,
that's probably, that's mostly And there is lots and lots
and lots of data about the accuracy of mail in voting,
and the rate of fraud and mail in voting is

(14:09):
like three fraudulent ballots per ten million ballots, some stupid
number like that.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
The fraud basically doesn't exist with at least the kind
of fraud he's talking about.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Now, there is certainly a risk with mail in voting
of let's say you've got an elderly grandparent who isn't
paying much attention, and maybe you get a you know,
a young person maybe the maybe the young adult grandchild
or the or the generation in between taking the elderly
person's vote and voting it. It's not a very big risks,

(14:43):
it's a real risk, but you could have that risk
with absentee voting anyway. Still, all this like panic from
the right about mail in voting is not just unfounded,
but it's not smart. In the last election and there's
data on this, and it's posted on my blog. In
the last election, President Trump probably won the election because

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of mail in voting. He picked up huge, huge numbers
of mail in mail in ballots in that last election,
and this is a really poorly aimed thing. Also, President
Trump says that he is going to issue an executive
order to try to stop mail in voting, and I'm
here to tell you he can't. Well, he can try,

(15:25):
but it would be obviously illegal. The Constitution is very
very clear that states run elections. Although Congress has the
authority to put in certain restrictions on the elections, the
president has no authority at all when it comes to

(15:45):
how the states should run their elections. So we'll keep
an eye on this. But I think what was really
odd about it was Trump coming out with this attack
on mail in voting, which is really an attack on
the public's estimation of the fairness of voting and the
fairness of our elections, after Vladimir Putin mentioned it to him.

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Because of course, Vladimir Putin's goal is to cause Americans
to not trust their own elections. It's a shame that
Donald Trump has bought into it. We will have Danielle
Jorinsky on the show An Hour from Now, talking about
indictments and arrests of Trendy Aragua and other criminals in
and around Aurora. Danielle was on Fox News this morning.

(16:29):
Can I tell you a funny story, Shannon. So, Fox
saw this thing about the arrests in Colorado and they
find this story very interesting. That Fox News has been
kind of following us for a while and in a sense,
you know, they, yeah, they're covering news, but they also
have an audience that they want to appeal to, and
a lot of people in that audience are pretty conservative,

(16:51):
and yeah, they're kind of lapping up these stories. This
is red meat for the base about you know, criminal
illegal aliens in Colorado. And it's a legit story, right
because we've just made it far to the multiple mayors
of Denver in particular, and governors of Colorado in addition,
have made it far to appealing for illegal aliens to

(17:12):
come here, kind of made it a magnet for illegals.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
And then you will recall that the governor.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Of Texas said, well, you know, Denver, as long as
you're turning yourself into a magnet for illegals, and you
want to be so quote unquote welping, welcoming have ours,
and they shipped a whole bunch of them up here, which,
by the way, is part of the reason that our
states program to provide certain kinds of medical care for
illegal aliens is massively over budget now because we got

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so many extra illegal aliens that they weren't planning on getting.
But anyway, so Fox is interested in the story. They
saw the headline. They contacted me yesterday. Fox News contacted
me yesterday about being on with Bill Hemmer and Dana
Perino this morning, and they meant they wanted to know
if I could do it, and they also mentioned Danielle

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and and I said, you know, I'd love to do it.
I always love being on with with with Bill and Dana.
And I said, but I just had this hair restoration thing,
and I still have a very very bad haircut right
now for another week or two, and I look kind
of silly, and I don't think you want me on

(18:24):
wearing a hat. So I think you better skip me
for for a couple of weeks and then I can
get a nice haircut again, and then I'll be I'll
be ready to be back on back on TV, So
I declined because I just temporarily look silly as my
as my new hair stuff is grown in and uh.
And they had Danielle on, which I think they were
gonna have Danielle on anyway.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I don't think it was me or her. I think
they're gonna have her no matter what.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
So she was on Fox this morning, So I texted
her on my way to work and said, Hey, you
want to do a hit with me and talk about
whatever you talked about on Fox? And she said sure,
So we're gonna have her on in in a little bit.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Okay, let me tell you another story. And I've told
you some of this already. I don't think I've told
you all of it, but I think I told you something.
So my older kid, uh moved to Washington State, was
going to go to a town called Everett, just west
of Seattle. And in theory, on paper, Everett looks like
it should be a really nice place just outside of

(19:23):
Seattle on the ocean. And my kid and this friend
of my kids who they moved together, and they're going
to go to school together, studying different things, but sharing
rent and stuff like that, which is great. They they
went out there and they and they and they signed up. Actually,

(19:43):
before they went out, they enrolled in a junior college
in Everett and didn't pay any money, but signed up
for classes. And then they get out to Everett and
my and my kid texts me and says, this town
is just not nice. It's like, uh, it's like a
run down retirement community with a bunch of homeless people

(20:06):
sprinkled in, and we're not going to stay here, That's
what they said. So my kid and friend they went
into Seattle, and they're into all the stuff that you know,
nineteen year olds are into these days, all the funky stuff,
all the funky stores, all the you know, cool little
concert venues, and they appreciate any town that is very

(20:29):
LGBT friendly and like, oh, this is a nice little neighborhood.
There's a neighborhood where where the crosswalks are pride flags
and generally just has that kind of vibe, you know,
the the used clothes stores and all the funky stuff.
And so they're gonna switch to a different community college.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
And they rented an apartment in that.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Neighborhood in Seattle, in a neighborhood called South Capitol Hill,
and you can imagine a similar kind of neighborhood in Denver, right,
a really gritty neighborhood with all the funky cool stuff.
I don't know whether that would be maybe South Broadway
or maybe near the Santa fe Arts District or something
like that, but imagine that accept much much worse. And

(21:17):
I don't even mean that Denver stuff is necessarily bad.
But let me just tell you about my kid's first
twenty four hours in Seattle. So my kid didn't want
to We wanted to try to avoid renting a U haul.
Just did not deal with the cost and also the
hassle of having to return it later. So we just

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bought this thing that goes into the trailer hitch on
the back of the car, and it's just a flat
tray that comes out behind the back of the car
and you just put stuff on it and strap it
down and you're good to go.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
And between that and the amount of space in the car,
it was enough for my kid to move out.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Now, my kid has grown up around here in you know,
always either in a rural area or a suburban area,
never living in the city.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Obviously going in the city a lot, but never living
in the city.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
So my kid put on the back of the car,
on this tray a kind of thick, waterproof rubberized bag
that's designed for transporting things that are going to be
exposed to the elements, and put in it a portable
car refrigerator that's powered by a twelve volt power supply,

(22:30):
like the cigarette lighter in your car or whatever. And
it's just designed to keep drinks in a little bit
of food cool when you go camping. And he left
it in this rubberized bag on this tray on the
back of the car as he parked it on the
street overnight, unsurprising, unsurprisingly to me, although somewhat surprisingly to him.
When he got to his car the next day, somebody

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had sliced opened the bag with a knife and stolen
that refrigerator. Also within his first twenty four hours in Seattle.
He has to be very careful while he's walking around
so that he doesn't step in one of the many

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piles of human feces on the sidewalk next to the
street and so on.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
There's that he got a seventy dollars parking.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Ticket and explained to me how the parking sign was
rather unclear as to what the instructions were I don't
know if it was or not, but in any case,
a seventy dollars parking ticket.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
He witnessed a.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Hit and run accident and actually went over to kind
of take care of the lady who got hit, who
I don't think was badly hurt but shaken up.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
So witnessed a hit and run accident and.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Then was accosted by a homeless man who came over saying,
I'm God. But the establishment, the elite keep wanting to
give me pills because they can't handle the truth.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
That was my kid's first day.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Oh and within that same first day, my kid and
friend they rented.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
An apartment in that neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
You ready for this, Shannon, thirteen hundred bucks a month
when you include utilities.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
For two hundred and forty square feet.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Can you imagine that's I think that's smaller than this
radio studio. It's probably around the size of this radio studio.
Two hundred and forty square feet for almost thirteen hundred
dollars a month. Really hard to park on the street,
really expensive if you want to get a parking spot
that's not.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
On the street.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
The cheapest parking I could find near there, if you
were going to pay for a parking lot was two
hundred and sixty dollars a month. And it's not indoor parking,
it's outdoor parking. It's just I mean and Seattle, like
I said frequently that Denver seems like city that is
being run by people and voted in by voters who

(25:04):
want to turn it into Seattle. And I'm here to
beg you please don't turn Denver into Seattle. Please don't Seattle.
I'm sure has plenty of things to recommend it. And
and my kid's only gonna have to be there at
this point for one school year, nine months and then
they can leave, and I don't even know whether they'll
want to leave.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
My kid has developed some fairly leftist kind of sensibilities,
which happens when you're that age from time to time.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
But can already, my kid can already.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
See what happens when you leave hardcore liberals in charge
of a city. You're walking through human poop. You know
you're gonna get robbed. I told my kid like I
would have told you, there's one hundred percent certainty that
if you leave anything on top of your car or
on the back of your car. It won't be there
in the morning. This is not this is not Littleton,

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it's not Centennial, it's not Thornton, it's not even Denver.
It's a disaster. And it'll be an interesting life lesson
for my kid living through that. And then we'll see
whether they have interest in staying in Seattle, near Seattle,
or nowhere near Seattle after one school year. It's going

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to be a challenge. It's going to be a challenge,
even right down to finding street parking. It's very, very,
very hard to find street parking. The whole thing is
is going to be very interesting. A no ac, no
ac in the apartment as well. So uh, we'll see
live and learn.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
I'm not looking to rescue my kid. My only my
only real fear is that the neighborhood is so dangerous
I have I have some fear of my kid being
physically hurt, you know, mugged and pistol whipped or something.
That's my one concern, you know, as far as if
my my kid has a life that's inconvenient or has

(26:58):
to walk around human poop. You know, he made that decision.
He can live with that decision. But it's it's been
a very interesting last few days. It's been a very
interesting last few days. And I haven't I didn't speak
to my kid yesterday, and I need to just let
him sort of adult a little a little bit, even

(27:20):
though even though he's still a teenager.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
So anyway, that that's been.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
That's been my last few days of trying not to
worry too much, and maybe more, maybe more trying to
keep my wife from worrying too much. I think it'll
be fine, but I tell you, I would encourage my
kid to be careful walking around alone at night.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
You know, my kid's not very large physically. My kid's
friend is bigger.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
I mean, if there's and if there's two people together,
it's a much much lower chance of geting mugged than
one person.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Oh one other thing, oh one other thing.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
A friend of mine lives in Seattle, and I would
call him very much a centrist.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
You know.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
For example, he's.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Got some significant issues with Donald Trump, but he will
vote Republican, and I think he has voted Democrats sometimes too.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
He's a real centrist. He's a businessman.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
I won't tell you what he does because if I
tell you, he's what he's done, you'd probably be able
to He's not famous, but you'd probably be able.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
To look it up and figure out who he is.
So I'm not going to tell you more about what
he does.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
But he's a fairly successful businessman and he's gay. And yeah,
there are plenty of gay Conservatives, but you don't tend
to think that way, right I think a lot of
people tend to assume, especially fifteen or twenty or twenty
five years ago, when the Republican Party and Conservatives were

(28:54):
much more anti gay than they are now. I don't
think you would really call most Republicans or even more
conservatives anti gay right now.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
But still I call him a centrist.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
And I was talking to him yesterday because he lives
just outside of Seattle, the north end of Seattle, and
he told me that he and his partner are leaving Seattle.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
He said it's way too far left for him.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
It is just it's just so much brain damage and
they are destroying everything. And again, my exhortation to you
to people who live and vote in Denver in particular,
in Colorado generally, but in Denver in particular, please don't

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turn Denver into Seattle.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Really don't so there's that. Let's talk about some new words.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
The Cambridge Dictionary has added some new words skibbety, trad wife,
what else?

Speaker 1 (30:02):
De lulu is another one? Let me share this with
you from the BBC.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Skibbity, tradwife and other slang terms popularized on social media
are among thousands of new words to be added to
the Cambridge Dictionary this year. Skibbity is a Gibberish term
which gained popularity via a viral animated video.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Series on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
I think that was the thing with the toilet that
talks right yeah, while trad wife is a shortening of
traditional wife, a married mother who cooks, cleans and posts
on social media. More than six thousand new words have
been added, including those that relate to tech giants and
remote working. The Lexical program manager Colin Macintosh what a

(30:44):
beautifully English slash Irish slash Scottish name Macintosh, I guess
Scottish right. Internet culture, he says, is changing the English
language and the effect is fascinating to observe and capture.
In the dictionary, skippity skibi is defined in the Dictionary as.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Quote, a word that can have.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Different meanings, such as cool or bad, or can be
used with no real meaning as a joke. An example
of its use is what the skibbety are you doing?

Speaker 1 (31:17):
All right? It's you know what I think?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Skibbety is to words what Jerry Seinfeld is to sitcoms.
Write a show about nothing. Skibbitty is a word about nothing.
Reality TV star Kim Kardashian revealed her familiarity with the
phrase when she posted a video on Instagram showing a
necklace engraved with with skibbety toilet, the name of the
YouTube series. An earlier use of the word came in

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twenty eighteen when the band Little Big released a track
called Skibbety. The music video has been viewed more than
Check this Out Now seven hundred million times and features
a dance video that went viral. As well as new phrases,
some shortened vision versions of existing terms have been added,
including de lulu de lu, a play on the word

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delusional with a similar definition quote believing things that are
not real or true, usually because you choose to.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Now here's one.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
That I didn't see on other websites talking about the
same news story, and I kind of like this both
as a phrase and as a technological concept again sticking
with BBC dot.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Com, an increase.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
In remote working since the pandemic has seen quote mouse jiggler, Channon,
have you heard the term mouse jiggler?

Speaker 1 (32:33):
A device or piece of software.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Used to make it seem as though you are working
when you are not.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Right.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Once you hear the definition, it makes perfect sense. Either
a piece of hardware or piece of software that would
make it look like your computer mouse is moving so
that if your management is monitoring your computer screen it,
you know, and they just check every once in a while. Obviously,
if they're watching all the time and they just see
a mouse moving around and not clicking and not doing anything,

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that won't work out. But if they're just checking for
a few seconds at a time and they see your
mouse moving or maybe clicking, you know, then you might
get away with it. So there you go, a mouse jiggler.
Other work related words to make the cut include work
wife and work spouse, which acknowledge workplace relationships where two
people help and.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Trust each other.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Some other composite terms like broligarchy have been added.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
I like that one merging bro and oligarchy.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
It means a small group of men, especially men owning
or involved in technology who are extremely rich and powerful,
and who have or want political influence.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
It was used to describe Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
And Mark Zuckerberg attending Donald Trump's inauguration in January. Mister
McIntosh said the Cambridge Dictionary only added words that they
believed could stand the test of time. He said, it's
not every day you get to see words like skibbety
and delulu make their way into the Cambridge Dictionary. We
only words we think will have staying power.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Okay, I like it.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Skibbety, Shannon, have you ever said skibbety other than have
you ever used it in a sentence? Have you ever
said it to somebody as part of an actual conversation
in any way at all?

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Only to torture my daughter? Oh? Why has she said
it to you? No? Just you know how kids are
embarrassed when you use their language. Yes? Yeah, like dad
stopped trying to be cool? Like that? Did it work? Oh?
I can embarrass her with the slightest movement.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
I would like to know from anybody listening to my
show right now, I would like you to text me
at five six six nine zero and tell me have
you ever used the word because I guess we're calling
it a word now, have you ever used the word skibbety?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
And if so, how, in what context?

Speaker 3 (34:56):
And to whom?

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Hmm?

Speaker 2 (35:00):
All right, when we come back, we're gonna have a
couple of very interesting guests. In particular, Tracy Dowd is
special Agent in charge of the Economic Crimes Unit with
the Colorado Bureau of Investigation. What are economic crimes? How
do you become a victim of an economic crime? And
perhaps more important add on to that, how do you

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prevent yourself from being a victim of an economic crime?

Speaker 1 (35:26):
We'll do all of it right after this.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Financial fraud is everywhere, and it's I think only gonna
get worse, and the bad guys are getting smarter, so
the good guys have to get smarter too. The Common
Sense Institute is going to have an event talking about
financial fraud, the true cost of financial fraud.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
So joining us to talk about.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
The event, and then another guest joining us to talk
about financial fraud itself. Kelly Caawfield as executive director of
the Common Sense Institute, and Tracy Dowd, a Special Agent
in charge of the Economic Crimes Unit with the CBI.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Good morning to both of you.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
And I'll just start with Kelly if you could just
give us the details of the event, and then we're
going to jump in with Tracy on nuts and bolts
about financial crimes.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
So much Ross Yes.

Speaker 6 (36:13):
Next Tuesday, Tuesday, August twenty sixth, the Common Sense Institute
will be having a very exciting event partnership with the
Colorado Bankers Association, where we're going to be hearing more
from Tracy who's on your show today, as well as
Jen Waller, the head of the Colorado Bankers Association, Adam
Gregg with the Iowa Bankers Association, and one of Common

(36:36):
Sense's economist, Zach Milne. And we'll be diving deep into
the economic cost of financial fraud here in Colorado, and
that panel we'll be able to explain not just the
impacts in Colorado, but across the country, as this is
something impacting consumers in every state.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
And for folks who are interested in going, it's next Tuesday,
four thirty pm to six pm. You can sign up
at the Common Sense Institute website. I've also linked to
it on my blog at Rosscominski dot com. But c
s I co dot org is an easy u r
L to get there. CSI like Common Sense Institute, c
O like Colorado c s I, c O dot org

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it it'll get you to the to the longer u r
L and you can sign up there.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Just go to the events tab and you will find it.
All right, let's go.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Let's go to Tracy Dowd, who again special Agent in
charge of the Economic Crimes Unit with CBI.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
So let's just start with something very basic. What does
the term economic crimes cover?

Speaker 5 (37:35):
Well?

Speaker 7 (37:35):
These days, you know, we could we could just simplify
it and say anything that has to do with a loss,
criminal activity involving finance, and something that impacts the economy.
I would say these days, though, I look at it
more like it's high tech crime, right, every every financial
crime that we have here, especially within CBI, has some

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sort of cyber enabled criminal act to attached to it.
So I think you have a lot of different aspects
to it. It's really evolved over the years.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
I mean, it's one of the things I wonder about.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
I'm getting, you know, spammed with this stuff multiple times
every day.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
I don't know who gets fooled by these things, you know,
I get these I get these texts.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
That are from an international phone number saying that there's
a problem with my Coinbase log in, right, and and
I don't even have a coin Base account, and I
just get these things and multiple emails. I got one
five minutes ago seeing there's a problem with your tax filings.
And so it's gonna sound like a sarcastic question, but
it isn't.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Why are so many people fooled.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
By things that I might think are obviously scams?

Speaker 7 (38:43):
I think a lot of times it's a part of
the opportunity of the moment. But I think it's also awareness.
Even though we feel like we talk about this stuff,
and in my world, I work with this stuff all day,
there's a lot of people that still are not aware
that these type of schemes are happening, or that somebody's
out there just you targeting them for this purpose. So
I feel like and then, and quite frankly, the bad

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actors are pretty good at what they do, right. They
are a well oiled business and very good at getting
people and directing them to different websites and getting them
to spend money.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
What's your estimate as to the percentage of these bad
actors who are in the United States of America.

Speaker 7 (39:20):
Well, that brings up an amazing point. You know, in
our in our unit here at the CBI, we do
work with Colorado bad actors, right, we see that. But
for the most part, and I think what's a great
topic of conversation here is that this is about an absolute,
relentless assault of financial exploitation that's really being committed by

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transnational organization you know, all all across the globe for
the most part, right these are transnational organized crime groups
and are targeting you know, victims individually, small businesses here
in Colorado, and large corporations on every level.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I mean, would it still be correct to say there
are significant bad actors in India and near India, Nigeria
and near Nigeria, Russia and near Russia?

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Are those.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
I would say, I would say definitely.

Speaker 7 (40:13):
Those are points I would also highlight right now, there's
a lot of awareness being out there, like Cambodia, for example,
a lot of big scam centers, you know, big businesses
being set up there to basically market these scams like this.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
So when you describe it that way, and it almost
sounds to me like you've got I'll use the term
very loosely entrepreneurs setting up call centers and the people
sitting in the cubicles are scammers rather than customer support.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Is that some of it?

Speaker 5 (40:45):
Yes, one hundred percent. If you've seen the movie The Beekeeper,
have you seen.

Speaker 7 (40:49):
That in say them, it's kind of obviously that glamor,
you know, it puts a lot of glamour on this.
But if you can imagine the hotel sized call centers
being up, that what they know now And we can
get into this later, but just so you know, what
we know now is the folks that are committing these
crimes are actually a lot of times under their human
trafficking victims of themselves. They're being in these compounds basically

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as indentured servants committing these crimes. So you have victims
on all sides here.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
All right, I've only got about ninety seconds left, so
I about one more question for Tracy and then I'll
have Kelly reiterate the information about next Tuesday's event. What
are the top one or two bullet points you would
advise people on to avoid being avoid becoming a victim
of one of these financial crimes.

Speaker 7 (41:38):
Recognize that online dating and being a victim of an
online dating scam is still one of the number one
ways to facilitate a lot of these scams.

Speaker 5 (41:47):
And then taking.

Speaker 7 (41:48):
An overall on whether you're a small business or individual,
taking a look and doing the threat assessment of your
individual space, making sure that you have correct cybersecurity in place.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
And always independently there if anything that comes.

Speaker 7 (42:01):
Next you, whether it's the ups tracking at DMV notice,
separate yourself from that text or email and independently verifying.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Great, that's fantastic advice, all right, Kelly, remind us just
briefly the details of the event next Tuesday.

Speaker 6 (42:15):
Sure can hear more from Tracy and our economists unpacking
the economic cost of financial fraud to our state. Please
join us next week and it's a free event Tuesday,
August twenty.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
Six, four thirty to six at.

Speaker 6 (42:27):
Our building at AMG National Trust in Greenwood Village, And
as Roth said, you can register on our website a
shortcut csico dot org.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Thanks so much, awesome.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Kelly Kawfield is executive director of the Common Sense Institute,
where I am very proudly the Michae Loprino Free Enterprise
Fellow this year, and Tracy Dowd is special Agent in
charge of the Economics Crimes Unit with CBI.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Thanks to both of you. It's a great conversation. We'll
do it again.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
Thank you so much. Thanks Ros.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
All right, we'll take a quick break, be right back
on KOA. Well, it does look like not very many
listeners have used the word skibbety.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
And one you ever, dragon, you ever said skibbitty? Uh,
probably just to annoy my kids, right.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Okay, that's exactly what Shannon said. Shannon said that he
said skibbety to his daughter.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
I don't know how old his daughter is.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
She's a recent college grad, so somewhere in that age.
And he said skibbety to his daughter just for the purpose.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Of annoying her. A lie roll and it's just fantastic.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah, it's the dad stopped trying to be cool eye roll.
We've all gotten it hundreds of times. It's it's an
I it's it's an eye roll so aggressive that you
can hear it. Yes, right, so and so, But there
was a phrase back in the day where so I
think a listener got this kind of half right, he said,
or she said, We used to say you're dang skibbety

(43:51):
In the eighties, as when you confirm something someone said,
but I think it was your damn skippy. I think
you're looking at me quizzically like you haven't heard.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Any that I don't recall.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
I mean, this is the Skippy thing, probably, but Skippity
in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, no, no.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
So I think that's wrong. I think, but I think
we did. We did use Skippy. Let's see.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Okay, I'm going to the Google AI thing here.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Damn Skippy is an American slang interjection used to express
strong agreement, approval, or excitement, similar to saying absolutely or
you bet. It is a mildly vulgar term, but generally
considered humorous or lighthearted. Let's see. The phrase is believed
to have originated in Black American English and gained popularity

(44:37):
in the twentieth century. Some sources suggest it may be
linked to the comic strip Skippy from the nineteen twenties. Okay, anyway,
there you go, damn Skippy. What else are we doing here?
By the way, that whole financial crimes thing, I'm really here's.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
The way I think about it.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
They're so oh many ridiculous emails and texts that I get.
I'm sure you get, and I think for most of us,
we get them and we immediately know like, that's fraud.
I'm not responding to that. My bank would ever nask
me that the irs would never send an email like that, YadA, YadA, YadA,

(45:20):
and we and at this point, I think most of
us have gotten pretty good at not just noticing them,
but recognizing them immediately for what they are and just
deleting them and moving on and not even wasting her
time with them.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
But I think the thing to keep in mind is that.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
It's essentially free or close to free for these people
to send an unlimited number of spam, you know, phishing
emails and texts and.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
So on a lot.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
I mean I get one probably every other day saying somebody.
I don't even read it all, so I don't know
exactly what it says, but something along the lines of
somebody has tried to change your coin based password. Please
contact us if that's not you. Coinbase, for those of

(46:13):
you who don't know, is probably the largest, the largest
place where you can store and buy and sell cryptocurrency
right Bitcoin ethereum, maybe not all the little junkie coins,
but you buy and sell that stuff through Coinbase. It's
a multi billion dollar public company. It's a very big company,
and I get these texts all the time. Somebody is

(46:36):
messing with your Coinbase account. Please get in touch with us.
And all they're trying to do with that point is
to get you to call them, and they will pretend
that they need to confirm your information, but really what
they're trying to do is get you to give them
your coin Base login information so that they can go
into your account and steal all your cryptocurrency. Now, I

(46:57):
don't have a coin Basse account. I've never had a
Coinbase account, and so for me, that one's particularly easy.
But it's also super easy because it comes from an
international number. The text comes through with a country code,
not even an American phone number. I don't think I
need to tell you my listeners, you know, be careful
with this stuff. But the point I want to make is,

(47:17):
since it is so cheap for these scammers to send
the emails and to send the text, essentially the marginal
cost of another text in another email is close to zero,
and it's probably literally less than a penny to send
one additional email or one additional text, based on whatever
services they're using to do this stuff.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
They literally only need one in a.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Million recipients to be gull enough, gullible enough, even one
in ten million. They're probably still making lots and lots
and lots of money. But for yourself, be careful. Tell
your kids to be careful. Your kids are probably more
sophisticated you are. Tell your parents to be careful because
they're probably less less sophisticated.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Than you are.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
When we come back, Danielle Jorinsky, Aurora City council member,
going to join us to talk about here's a headline
from KADIEVR Fox thirty one thirty indicted after undercover investigating
undercover investigation targeting trendy Aragua in Colorado. We'll talk about that,
We'll talk about gang crime in around Aurora. Danielle was
on Fox News this morning, so tell us how that

(48:28):
went too.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
We'll be right back. So it's sort of coincidentally.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
I got an email from someone at Fox News asking
if I wanted to be on this morning talking about
some of the stuff going on in Colorado with gang
stuff and all this, and they said, oh, yeah, we're
probably gonna have Danielle Jorinsky on. I'm like, all right,
she's awesome and I for I didn't do it, but
I said, that's a good idea to have Danielle on

(48:51):
the show.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
So I texted Danielle this morning and asked her if
she'd like to join us, and she said sure. So
here she is. Auror City Councilwoman Daniell Joran's has been.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Clearly the most forceful voice in the entire Denver metro
region talking about illegalalien criminal gangs and the impact on
the Denver metro area and specifically Aurora, where she's on
the council, of Joe Biden's previous open border policies and

(49:21):
what that's meant to her city.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
So, Danielle, it's good to have you back. Thanks for
being here.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Yeah, good morning. Thanks for having me Ron.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
So, I didn't catch you on Fox this morning because
I was busy getting ready for the show. But just
give me a give us a brief summary of that conversation.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Well, I think the most brief summary that I can
give you is Democrats lied and people died because of that.
That pretty much sums it up, Ross and that's what
I lived through, you know, for almost eight months. Vindication
started coming several months back, but it's so far beyond vindication.
I mean, anybody who's still doesn't believe you know, what

(50:04):
was going on in Aurora, in the Denver metro area,
inside these apartment complexes, and not just the three that
I was talking about in Aurora. You know, now, you
know Rapo County is coming clean about Ivy Crossing apartment complex.
But you know, ross back when I was in this
battle and back and forth with the media and what's
the definition of a takeover? And Martha Raditz says, Oh,

(50:26):
it's only a handful of apartment complexes, what's.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
The big deal.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
I wasn't going to feed into it anymore. Yeah, stay
very focused on Aurora. But this was never an isolated incident.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
So I want to dig into each half of the
first thing you said.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
You said democrats lied and people died.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
And I think a lot of people probably already have
the gist of what you're talking about, but I want
you to get really specific with us right now.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
What democrats lied about?

Speaker 4 (50:53):
What Jason Crow lied, The governor lied, The governor even
called the Poe Poe on me. Senator Hickenlooper lied, Michael
Bennett lied, other various you know, state House representatives that
are Democrats lied. I mean, they just lied and and

(51:14):
they attacked me. They put out, you know, different things
that that you know, I was lying about this immigrant
population and I was anti immigrants. Meanwhile, this gang was
absolutely running rampant with large numbers, large numbers as you
can clearly tell, and with hundreds, if not thousands of guns,

(51:39):
as you saw in yesterday's press conferences. And I think
that they confirmed like sixty something of these guns were
used in various murders. You know, if any of these folks,
if any of these Democrats, what are at anytime, come
alongside me and said Danielle, what is going on? Let

(52:00):
me go with you. I'll go with you. I'll you know,
we can bring a security team if that makes them
feel better. Whatever. You know, if any of them would
have taken this seriously and not made this partisan to
protect their presidential candidate during a presidential election, we could
have stayed lives, We could have stopped human suffering, we

(52:22):
could have stopped forbation. I mean, I witnessed all of
this with my own two eyes, ross and for months
and months was called crazy and called a liar, and
I was exaggerating this and these are peaceful people, and
you have these nonprofits going into these department complexes, lining
up the gang members and having press conferences about these poor,

(52:44):
peaceful migrants and how I was disrupting their lives and
on and on and on, and you know, people died
because of this ross.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Do you think their primary motivation was to protect Joe
Biden at the time, because he was still the candidate
that you likely to be a candidate at the time.
Do you think that was the I mean, I'm asking
to play mind reader a little bit, or maybe you've
even you know, got some information about what's going on
in their heads, because I do wonder beyond the Biden thing,
it is a very odd behavior by so many people

(53:20):
on the left who seem to have this deep desire
to protect illegal aliens, even when you know they've committed
crimes versus protecting the people, whether or not they're American citizens,
the non criminals in your neighborhoods, and just I always
struggle to understand what the brain damage is in a

(53:41):
person who goes out of his or her way to
protect an illegal alien criminal who has done harm in
a community.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
Yeah, I very much think that it was to protect
the Democratic Party and their image and their ideology. But
it was also to to protect at first Joe Biden
as their presidential candidate, but then Kamala Harris, you know,
you know that that transformed when she became the candidate.

(54:11):
But either way, it was to protect their party, to
protect the presidential election. And Ross, when I started all
of this, when I when I started sounding the alarm
about this, I assure you, the presidential election was not
even on my mind. I have video footage of me

(54:32):
going into these apartment complexes and interviewing these victims, and
I would hide and I would crawl through windows to
get to these people to not be seen by these
gang members. And I mean everything that I went through
to be their voice and to and to get their
their stories out. And mind you, Ross, these are other migrants.

(54:52):
These were other migrants, some Americans obviously like the Romeros
who I who I moved out, but mostly it was
other migrants being starved and beaten and extorted. So absolutely
it was to protect their political party, to protect their
presidential candidate. But what's so sickening and what's so disgusting

(55:13):
wrong is to this day I've not heard from any
of them. Our governor called the police on me. And
had me investigated over a video that I had. When
I made a public plea to him to please put
politics aside, please, and to please meet with me one
on one that I had a video that I wanted

(55:34):
to show him, he called the police on me and
had me investigated. Wow, So I released the video. Rough.
I released the video, and I said, Governor, who am
I supposed to call? When the police are in the video?
They're standing right next to me. But this was during
a time that we had an interim police chief, so incompetent,

(55:58):
so grossly incompetent. She should be criminally charged over this.
But telling our officers there's no problem here, there's nothing
to see here. We're not going to do anything. So Governor,
to this day, I've not heard from you. You called
the police on me and had me investigate it. I
released the video footage of a victim talking about her crime,

(56:21):
and the police were in this video. I've not heard
from any of these democrats Rock to this day. And
I still speak to many of these victims. Many of
these victims I.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Still speak to. Wow.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
We're talking with Danielle Jorinski from the Aurora City Council,
and I would like to kind of amplify and corroborate
one thing that Danielle said at the beginning of that
I had Danielle on the show multiple times when all
of this stuff was going on. She's kind of blowing
the whistle on all this. And I also spoke or
texted with Danielle multiple times in private about this stuff,

(56:55):
and never once did the name Biden or really much
of anything to do with federal politics other than objecting
to the open.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Border come up.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
And I always understood Danielle's motivation to be about the
harm being done to her city and not anything political.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
It happens that the people who are defending the.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Illegal alien criminals, it's hard to imagine them being motivated
by anything.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Other than politics.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
I'm sure there are a few people out there who
actually are happy to help.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Illegal alien criminals.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
I think all these other people are just spineless cowards
who are who who will say anything to defend their
political party, even regardless of the harm that they're doing. Oh,
so's now, let's talk about the present and future a
little bit, Danielle. So, Okay, So we saw these indictments, guns, drugs,
all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Some new drug that I never heard of.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Here's something to sy or a pink powder that contains
a variety of controlled substances like ke, meth and MDMA.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Oh my god. Okay, So how do you how would
you rate.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Or what would you like to say about the level
of criminal, illegalalien gang activity in Aurora today versus when
you first started blowing the whistle on this. Is it
slightly improved, much improved, and not improved at all?

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Is it worse?

Speaker 4 (58:27):
I would say, I would say it's much improved. And
I say that confidently. I speak to a lot of
the Aurora residents that live in homes, they own homes
that are you know, directly across the street from these
apartment complexes or in the general area of these apartment complexes,

(58:48):
And I have folks reaching out to me all the time,
you know, Thank you, Danielle. We're not hearing nightly gunshots anymore.
We're not hearing you know, police sirens every single night.
We're not hearing women screaming every single night anymore. So
with regard to that, I have to say that it
has gotten much better.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Is it completely written out of the city. No, you know,
we just thought these indictments yesterday, we're seeing these guns
taken off the streets. But you know, and Roll for
being the party that's so anti gun, so anti gun,
why aren't they on the front line of this, Because

(59:30):
I said, again, I said, multiple times, multiple times, I
sounded the alarm. I said, not only are they here,
not only are they violent, ambitious, not only are they
a transnational gang. They have more guns and more armory
than some police departments have. I was even saying that,

(59:53):
So where are all of these anti gun rights to this?

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Yeah, I guess they're they're against law abiding people having guns.
The rest to the rest we can just turn to
blind turn a blind eye to that. So obviously, there's
been an enormous change in the federal government, going from
the Biden administration with the most open border of all
time to the Trump administration with the most closed border

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and the most immigration enforcement of all time. That's not
something that the Aurora City Council has any influence over.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
It's just something we can all observe.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
So what I would like to ask you is are
you seeing a difference in attitude and behavior and enforcement
among our local law enforcement agencies. I'm thinking primarily a
Rapahoe County Sheriff and Aurora Police those would be the
ones that you would be involved with most.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Absolutely, am. I do have to give, you know, a
special thank you to the Arapo County Sheriff's department. You know,
they were making arrests the entire time out of the
Ivy Creek apartment complex. Like I said, because of the
attacks I was already under I never brought that apartment

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complex up, but Arapahoe County was always making arrests and
they were always identifying trendy Aragua gang members. It was
the Aurora Police Department that had their heads in their
saying in the sand. It was a previous interim police
chief and leadership in the chief's office that gravely fumbled

(01:01:36):
this to the point that I hope to see accountability.
I hope to see accountability in the Aurora Police Department.
But I will say that with President Trump in office
now and with the permanent police chiefs in Aurora, Todd Chamberlain,
police work is happening. You know, it is a much

(01:01:57):
tougher stance on crime. Policies have been changed. You know,
it is being made known that Aurora is no longer
the city you want to come to and try to
get away with these types of things. So I think,
you know, and I think the proof, I think the

(01:02:18):
proof in that is a lot of these indictments, a
lot of these warrants, a lot of these folks being arrested.
You're seeing them be arrested in Chicago, New York, all
over the country on warrant out of Aurora. So I
you know, and I don't know what to equate that to.
Maybe it's more, you know, we've hired more police, Maybe
the police have gotten temper. Maybe it's the spotlight that
I brought in on these people and brought down holy

(01:02:42):
hell on Trende or Raguas in Aurora that put them
on the run. I don't know, but you're seeing them
leaving Aurora.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
And you know what, you know better than anybody that
when well, you got Donald Trump to come to the
Gay Lord, which they called Aurora, although I don't think
most Aurora people really think of that as Aurora, but
to the Gay Lord, and he talked about all this
stuff and then he said.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
You know, when I win this election. I think what
was that before the election, I think the October eleventh. Yeah, Okay,
So so he said when I win this election. This election,
we're going to take on Operation Aurora.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
He named it kind of after the attention that you
brought to Aurora.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
I have a listener text.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
That says, Aurora resident here, I got to admit the
gunfire situation is better A listener question that you have
answered already, but I'll ask it directly so you can
answer it just with a little more precision. Do you
think the new police chief Chamberlain is doing a good job.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
I think the new police chief is doing a great job.
Like I say, outside of wanting to see accountability from
some leadership that still remains in the Aurora Police Department.
Outside of that, I think that Chief Chamberlain is doing
a fantastics job. I am proud to support him, proud
to work with him, and I think Aurora is absolutely

(01:04:04):
headed in the right direction. And to just to come
in on your other listeners chext message, that is what
I am hearing, and that is what I am engaging
everything off of. I have folks just reaching in constantly
and telling me, Danielle, thank you, thank you. You know
there's less gun fire there, or there's no gunfire, or
it's been months since we've heard gunfire or women screaming

(01:04:27):
or I mean, I just that's what I'm engaging everything on.
That's what I'm basing everything on. And I really feel
we are in a good place in Aurora and we
are only going to continue to move forward while we
watched Denver crumble.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Danielle Jerinsky is a member of the Aurora City Council,
also a veteran of the US military and an entrepreneur
and a mom. And she is the the person most
responsible by a country mile, most responsible for getting the
attention of the federal government and the attention of citizens
on to the disaster slash tragedy of criminal illegal alien

(01:05:09):
gang activity in Aurora. And it's overdue. That is a
lot better than it was before. But that's better than
not getting better at all. Danielle, thanks for your time
as always, and thanks for what you've been doing and
continue to do.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Thank you so much for Austin. Let's say some prayers
that I went to reelection in November.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
I've already contributed to your campaign. I encourage other people
to do it as well.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Thanks Danielle, thank you, goodbye bye. Yeah. I have donated
to Danielle's re election campaign. I think.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
I think she's good. I think she deserves reelection. All right,
let me let me do a couple of quick things here.
So I'm going to be out for the rest of
the week, and I want to ask you a small
favor for tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
So dragging. You're smiling because you read my blog already, right, Okay,
so tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
I usually don't know who's filed in for me when
I'm out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
I don't usually ask.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
I don't usually I don't care, right but because whoever
is going to be is going to do a good job.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
But I was. I was at the Broncos game, the preseason.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Game, and I walked by Benjamin Albright and he said, oh,
I'm in for you on Wednesday, so I need your
help with something. And hopefully he's not listening right now,
all right, I need your help with something. So last
time ben filled in for me and did a very
good job. He made a comment to me like, I
did my best not direct the Ferrari. So he's analogizing

(01:06:31):
my show to a Ferrari, which is very unfair to
Ferrari's right. This is a semi professional show that is
a beautiful, sleek, fast, valuable car that I aspire to.
I don't even aspire to a professional radio show. I
am so happy with my semi professional show.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
You need a semi professional car. We need a.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Semi professional car, right, We need like a rally car
that's been through one or two too many rallies, got
some leaves, a little spot of oil on the garage floor. Right, Okay,
But so they say, here's where I need your help with.
So Albright said to me, Ross, I hope I didn't
wreck the Ferrari, or I tried not to wreck the Ferrari.

(01:07:14):
And we talked about this briefly on the show the
other day, and a listener texted it and said, it's
not it's not a Ferrari. It's more like a rusty
purple Scion. And I'm like, yeah, that's I'm down with that.
So here's what I need your help with tomorrow during
the show, at any time during my show nine am
to noon, I want you to text in at five
six six nine zero and say, hey, Ben, don't wreck

(01:07:37):
thee and then fill in whatever you want with the
most ridiculous car. Right, don't wreck the ed soul, don't
don't wreck the you know, the seventy three Chevy and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Paula, Oh, that's actually probably a cool car.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Don't just anything, all right, don't wreck the whatever it is,
the Ford Ranger, the Ford.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Ranger, yeah, whatever, or a.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
My geometro yeah, or a Saturn whatever, or like a
nineteen ninety seven Saturn.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
So do that tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Text into five six six nine zero between nine am
and noon until all bright, don't wreck thee and then
just put in something something funny after that. All right,
we still have a ton of stuff to do on
today's show, including at some point soon. Must be soon,
because I only have less than an hour left with you.
We're gonna do this week's entry into the Flat Irons

(01:08:31):
Fire giveaway of a twenty six hundred dollars barbecue grill.
There's only a total of twelve entries that are gonna
be in it, so there'll be a one out of
twelve chance of winning when we do the random drawing
in a few weeks. Stick around, you're listening to Ross
on Kawa. Why don't we do this giveaway this Flatirons Fire.
So what we're giving away is an entry into a

(01:08:53):
drawing that we will have in a few weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
And what's gonna be cool about this drawing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Is a lot of times you'll have a drawing and
there'll be you know, hundreds or thousands of people in
this thing, and you got a fraction of a percent
of a chance of winning something. What we're doing with
this is if you get an entry into the drawing,
you will know that there are only twelve entries into
the drawing, So if you get an entry, you will
have a one out of twelve chance of winning this

(01:09:18):
phantom Prestige five hundred Connected barbecue. What does connected mean?
It actually has Wi Fi, so on your phone, it'll
show you the temperature inside the grill and a couple
other things that are kind of cool. But anyway, it's
made by a company called Napoleon, which is actually the
brand of barbecue grill that I bought because I had
done my own homework on what's kind of a high

(01:09:39):
end grill that doesn't have a ridiculous price. This grill
that flat airons Fire is giving away retails for somewhere
around twenty six hundred dollars, and one of my listeners
is going to win it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
So before we do the on air.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Thing and dragon, I want you to figure out how
you want to do the on air thing, So think
about that for a second. But the other thing that
I need you to know is so we give away
three entries each week, one over the air like we're
gonna do now, and two on social media. If you
go to X dot com slash koa Colorado, you will
see the pinned I think it's pinned post for how

(01:10:17):
to enter into this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
And if you go to Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Dot com slash koa Colorado, you have a chance to
enter there, and you're welcome to try both. You can't
end up with two entries at the end of it,
but you can keep trying every possible.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Way to win an entry.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
You're not limited to just trying over the air or
just X or just Instagram. So x dot com slash
koa Colorado, Instagram dot com slash koa Colorado. And we're
gonna give away an entry now, but the boss has
to tell me how we're gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Text.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
We do a time delayed text because last time we
did the phone call and quite a few people got
upset with us because we said call now right and
they're like, you got we're streaming, We're you know, we
can't pay attention.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
You know I kind of things.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
This is same, okay, So we will do a delayed
text at eleven ten oh nine be texture number three
and let me know if Ross took his trash out today,
Yes or no?

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Eleven ten oh nine, texture number three at five six
six nine zero, and you have to.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Say yes Ross. Yes, Ross took his trash out today.
No he did not.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Ross did not take his trash out today. First last
name and email. First and last name and email. Okay,
So texture number three at eleven ten and nine seconds
to include yes or no Ross took his email out
today along with his trash out.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Trash out today.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
And with your email address and with your full name,
and that that person will get one of twelve entries
to win the barbecue grill. And thanks so much to
Flat Irons Fire for giving this away. I mean they
gave away a four thousand dollars plus gorgeous hand finished
outdoor fire pit last month and giving away this twenty

(01:12:02):
six hundred dollars Napoleon barbecue this month. Flatirons Fire is awesome.
And if you need a barbecue grill or an outdoor
fire pit or anything like that, you know, let's take
care of the businesses who take care of us. That's
flat irons fire. Plus it's the best fireplace showroom you
will ever have seen.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
I'm not kidding. Right fifty three fifty three Bannick Street.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
In Denver, right near just south of that where furniture
row on the west side of I twenty five there
in central Denver. All right, let's do a couple other things.
All right, this story is a little interesting and a
little creepy. I saw in a couple different websites what
the New York Post has it, and then a website
called Interesting Engineering has it as well.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Check this out.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
A Chinese tech firm is racing to deliver what could
be the world's first gestation robot. The idea from a
company called Kaiwa Kaiwa Technology, based in Guangzhou and China,
involves a humanoid designs that's like a robot that looks
like a person more or less. A humanoid design with
an artificial womb embedded in its abdomen, intended to carry

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a fetus through up to ten months of gestation and
to deliver a baby, according to Chinese media outlets, slated
for debut debut at some point next year, and this
is the crazy part expected to sell for under in
US money, under fourteen thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
The robot aims.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
To offer a pregnancy alternative for those who wish to
avoid the burdens of human gestation. The announcement has triggered
intense public discourse. And again this is from Interesting Engineering.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Is the outlet that I'm looking at. This article from.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
The announcement has triggered intense public discourse, from ethical unease
to hopeful possibilities for the infertile. Do you what are
you going to move away from the article for a second,
and I want to ask you what you think?

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
What do you think.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
About this concept? And just assume for a moment that
it works. Okay, let's not debate whether it works or not.
Let's just assume they can get it to work. There
are some questions already, by the way, about you know,
how you deal with implantation and fertilization and all that
kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
But just assume the tech works.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
What do you think about the concept of a robot
that can carry a baby determine then give birth to
the baby, and again, assume they've sorted it out. They've
sorted out how you get nutrition to the fetus through some.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Kind of hose like thing. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
I don't care about the nuts and bolts of the tech.
How do you feel about it?

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Do you like it? Do you think there's something wrong
with it? Conceptually? Would you use it?

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Do you wish it had been around already at some
point in the past, either for you or somebody else
to take advantage of this way to carry a baby
from you know, from fertilization all the way up to delivery.
I mean, if a robot can do it again, assume
it works, if a robot can do it for fourteen
thousand dollars to buy the robot versus having to pay

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a surrogate, which is a very big business in the
United States and probably other places as well, but typically
to pay a surrogate, I think you're I think you're
talking about something on the order of one hundred thousand dollars,
you know, And I could be wrong, but actually, yeah,
The New York Post says a human surrogate can cost

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in the United States anywhere from one hundred to two
hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
So what do you think? Do you think this is
really cool? Do you think it's creepy?

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Do you think it's ethical, Do you think it's unethical?
Do you think it is an amazing advance that do
you think it's something that you wish had been around?

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
I think it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
I think it's a very interesting story, very interesting technology.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
As with every.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Topic, or almost every topic that I talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
On the show, if you want to learn more, I've
got links to in this case, two.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Different articles up on the website at Rosskaminsky dot com.
I hope you will take advantage of looking at the blog.
I spend an immense amount of time creating these blog
notes for every day that I have a show.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
If I'm not on the air, then I won't have
a blog that day.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
But if you hear me talk about something that you
think is interesting, you can almost always find the links
about it, including links to my guests at Rosskominski dot com.
With a in the blog note will be called whatever
that day is blogcast, So today it says Tuesday or
tue s blogcast.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
It has links to this stuff and so many other things.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
I would love to know what you think about this
idea of essentially a robot that can carry a baby
to term. I'll check your listener texts and share some
of them with you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Right after these brief words, keep it here on Kowa.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Who was the lucky winner of the entry for the
Flat Irons Fire Barbecue grill giveaway our good friend Annette.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Well, congratulations Annett.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
And you made a comment to me dragging about the
number of people who texted in trying to get the entry.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
It was a lot, a lot. Yeah, let me see
we got here. Yeah, Oh my gosh, scroll look at that.
Keep scrolling. It's like eighty maybe pretty close. Yeah. Wow. Well,
what was the answer to the question, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Ross did not take his trash out? Well, at least
I'm I should have verified with Ross prior to just
assuming yes. But it's not Ross's trash day. No, I
can just say he probably didn't take his trye to
not take.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
My trash out. My current trash day is Thursday. We Wednesday?
And what's that Wednesday?

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Well, yeah, my current trash day where I live is Thursday.
My trash day at the house that we are remodeling
and don't live in yet is Wednesday. And Dragon keeps
confusing me about this, but surely any you know, it's
it's easy to know that I would not be taking
my trash out on Tuesday, especially with the holiday, especially

(01:17:52):
with the holiday International Orangutan Day.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
It's on my list that you gave me. You're welcome.
I love Orangutans. I was at.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
A Orangutan rehabilitation center in Kalamantan, which is the southern
half of what people of the island that people generally
call Borne, a very large island.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
And I.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
And I was at this Orangutan rehabilitation center, which is
where they bring orangutans that have been orphaned or injured
and basically get them to a place where they can
release them back into the jungle. Although there's certainly a
lot of habitat loss going on. There a lot of
jungle being being cut down. And there was this one
orangutan who was almost adult male, and he was kind

(01:18:39):
of a.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Free range orangutan and that he was free to come
and go.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
He wasn't really one of theirs, but he kept coming
back and they said he's friendly. So I went over
near him, and he was. If I remember right, it
was out on this something that looked almost like a
like a peer, like a like a doc but I
don't remember if it was going into the water or
kind of going out into the jungle over some jungle

(01:19:05):
stuff I don't remember, and this orangutan was there, and
he had a bucket next to him, and he had
a bucket of soapy water and he's just standing there
like washing his own arms and hands with the soapy water.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
And I went over.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
I went over near him, and he and he grabbed
my wrist. I was very like, I was that close
to him, and he grabbed my wrist. And when he
stands up, he's probably my height something like that, and
he grabbed my wrist and holy smokes, this guy strong like.
And I I was able to pull my hand out

(01:19:44):
of his grip, but only because his hand was all soapy.
And then I kind of backed away, like, oh, I
don't want to mess with that. I don't want to
mess with that. So I love orangutans, and it being
a holiday of International Orangutan Day. I'm just I haven't
yet checked with my trash company to see if that
that's going to delay trash this week the way Labor
Day or July fourth might. But I would think this

(01:20:05):
would be so On the one hand, I would think
this would be one of the most important.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
On the other hand, I.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Don't know that the trash companies actually do anything with
any international holidays. I guess you could call Christmas an
international holiday, right or New Year's. It's not called international
Christmas though, So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
I don't know. Let's talk a little bit. I just
let me do.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Like ninety seconds on listener texts around this crazy story
that I shared with you about a Chinese company that
is looking to put out a robot and they claim
they're going to be able to release this thing for
under fourteen thousand dollars, a robot that will be able
to carry an embryo to fetus, to term and deliver

(01:20:51):
it as a baby. And I asked you, what do
you think ethical? Unethical? Would you like one? Do you
wish you had one when you younger?

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
A bunch of people reference the Matrix movie. Of course,
that came to my mind as well, the Matrix movie.
It sounds there's one. It sounds like the Matrix has
the Matrix has stream blined the process of enslaving humans.
Another one. Sure, and let's just keep going to wherever
this leads parentheses sarcasm. Another listener says, I think this
is a lie. That's interesting. Uh, sounds creepy. I can

(01:21:25):
imagine some princess sorority girl doing this because she wants
to keep her parts pristine, Like I want the baby,
but I don't want the work. I can definitely imagine
that too, and I will say, I don't know how
much I object to that, Like I I do.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Think a right how do I want to put this.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
I'm not going as far with this as Elon Musk
is going, but I think it would be better if
more Americans had more kids. In general, I think we
better if more people around the world had more kids.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
I don't mean the number of kids that people were
having globally, like thirty years ago, when we were on
a path to.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Twelve billion or thirteen billion people.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
But right now we really are and this is not exaggeration, okay,
we really are in the midst of a population curve
flattening in America and a population collapse in many other
parts of the world.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
I mean China. And I'm not like here rooting for
China or anything, but.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Just as a demographic thing, China is probably gonna lose
half their population by.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
The end of this century, if you can imagine, and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
South Korea is probably on a worse path than that
in Japan too, and there are gonna be some massive
challenges for all of humanity when we have this population collapse.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
So to the extent, if there are women who are saying, you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Know what, I'd love to have a baby, but I
don't want to go deal with the pregnancy and the
pain and giving birth and being fat and all this stuff,
and they say I would love to be a mom,
then you know what, I'm okay, go get this robot.
Let the robot do all that nine months of stuff
that you that you don't want to deal with, and
then have a baby and be a good mom. I'm

(01:23:05):
I am absolutely okay with that. I'm okay. Now there
are people, including a listener, making this point. There's so
much more than just growing a baby that happens while
a baby is in the womb, bonding, and so much
more that starts right at conception.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
I agree with it. Not that I'm expert, but my
gut instinct is to agree with you that it would
be better if the baby were carried and delivered the
normal way, the regular way. But I still think that
carrying and delivering a baby this non normal way is
better than not doing it at all.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
One more moment and then I'm gonna move on.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
But I do have to read a quick text if
you're gonna be serious or not. Yeah, no, go ahead, okay,
but I have to read a text message. It was
sent m Yeah. It made me absolutely burst out laughing. Yeah,
those babies will be born without souls, wouldn't that I
wouldn't be surprised if they all came out with red hair, Yes, yes, yes,

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Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
There was another listener text that I liked as well.
I told that story about the orangutan with a bucket
of soapy water grabbing my wrist, and this listener says,
perhaps the orangutan was trying to show you how to
wash your legs.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
That's awesome, true, that is that is awesome. Oh and
here's another one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
The orangutan probably washed his legs too, just saying, oh
my gosh, yeah, you know dragon.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
I actually mentioned this to a Rod off the air.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
But this weekend I was doing some landscapings, Like Kristen
was cutting a bunch of stuff with the chainsaw and
I was carrying it to the Dumpstern is raking up
stuff and picking up stuff, and you can see my
hands are all cut up.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
My arms are all cut.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Up, And I just wanted you and a rod to
know that. That night I washed my legs for the
first time this year quite uh second time maybe, but
they were really dirty, Like I mean my toe. I
can see the dirt on my toes and so, because
dirt got into my shoes and then it got kind.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
Of bad and so, and it was to be that
bad in order for you to wash your yeah, yeah,
the dirt needs to somehow get in between your sock
and your leg, yes, and file down in there far
enough past the ankle, past the arch of your foot,
in between your toe toes, and that that is what

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you consider dirty enough to wash your legs?

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
What's your point? So it was dirty enough that when
even before I started.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Like scrubbing leg and lower leg and feet, the water
coming off of my legs was brown, I'm like, all right,
that's enough. That that's enough of a cl in fact,
that's that's the signal that your legs need to be washed.
If the if the water coming off of your legs
is watercolor, then you don't need it's already clean. But

(01:25:54):
I just wanted to tell you. I did wash my legs.
I actually had to kind of scrub each toe individually
because the dirt was really on there and so and
so my legs are super clean right now.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
Now we know where the line is for in order
for washed Ross to wash his legs.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Who's hairer you or the orangutan. I'm gonna give the
the edge to the orangutan, but not by much.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Not by much. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
In fact, when we did the thing the other day
when when the gals you know, cut one hundred into
my hair, actually is the other way. They left one
zero zero in my hair and cut away everything else,
so there was for Koa's one hundred birthday. Then they
made some joke about wanting to wanting to put Koa
in my chest hair, and so I showed them my

(01:26:42):
chest hair and they're like, oh my god, like, yeah,
we can no, that would be true.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
You're not quite, says you're not quite Michael Phelps.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
No, definitely, not Michael Phelps or any other any other swimmer.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
Ross.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
I bet it's a lot louder when the baby kicks.
That's a good one. That's a good one. All right,
Let's do some other things. Let's be slightly serious for
our last few minutes together today. So yesterday Senator John
Hickenlooper sent out a text a tweet saying Trump promised

(01:27:17):
to release the Epstein files and now he isn't. Just
another promise he's not keeping. And I replied, gosh, it's
funny to hear a Democrat to pretend to care anything
at all about any of this Epstein stuff. It is
such transparently cynical politics that you more I didn't say, morons,
but I'm gonna say it here, like you morons thinking

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that we believe that you care at all about it,
and we know what all that has been much quieter lately,
by the way, I heard a news article talking about
how the number of Google searches on Epstein is down
something like eighty nine percent in the last two weeks,
which is what Trump has wanted all along. But some
of the Trump base still wants to see this stuff,
even though Trump says it's a waste of time. And

(01:28:00):
I saw this headline last night that I wanted to
share with you. Doj to begin sharing Epstein files with
Congress on Friday? House member says, so the Justice Department. Again,
I'm quoting from the Washington Post. Now the Justice Department
has agreed to share with Congress documents from its investigation
of sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
A key House committee chairman said Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
That's James Comer of Kentucky, who chairs the House Oversight Committee.
But they call this a possible breakthrough on an issue
that is royal Republican.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Politics for weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Comer said that DOJ officials told him they'll begin handing
over the Epstein files starting Friday, in compliance with a
subpoena the committee issued earlier this month. The subpoena had
a deadline of Tuesday for the Department to produce the records.
Comer acknowledged in a statement that it would take time
to produce all the records and ensure the identification of
victims and any child sex abuse material are redacted. So

(01:28:56):
I just have a couple of quick comments on this. First,
I suspect that this is going to end up being
a dud. I wouldn't vet my life on it, but
I suspect that this is going to end up not
having information that is going to make the Trump base
that has been clamoring for the information.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
It's not going to make them happy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
I think they're looking for some juicy thing and some
piece of compromise on some important Democrat somewhere that they
think will benefit Republicans, and just generally they have some
This is going back a long ways now, back to
the cosmic ping pong thing, where sort of MAGA has

(01:29:34):
this weird fascination with pedophiles, like they think there's pedophiles,
you know, under every rock or under every pizza joint
and all this stuff. And I think they are not
going to end up satisfied. But we'll see. I could
be wrong. Maybe something will come out that gets somebody,
some important person in big trouble, but.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
I doubt it. I doubt it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
So the other thing that I think is kind of
interesting on this and we'll soon learn the answer. But
I kind of suspect that what the mag of people
who desperately want the Epstein files, what they mean by
the Epstein files, I think may end up being rather

(01:30:15):
different from what the Epstein files really are. Now I'm
guessing here again, I'm absolutely guessing, But I think that
the people clamoring for the release of this stuff think
that they are clamoring for the release of a bunch
of Jeffrey Epstein's own personal files, right, whatever he had

(01:30:37):
in his filing cabinet, on his phone, in his little
black book or whatever. They're looking for stuff that's got
Epstein's handwriting on it that talks about this person or
that person, or who went to the island, or this
or that other thing. And what I suspect that he
might get instead is logs and reports and analysis by

(01:31:02):
federal agents investigating Epstein, rather than stuff that was Epstein's
own property.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
Now there may be some of both.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
I mean, after all, if an FBI agent got their
hands on an Epstein thing and then wrote about it,
at least you'd have the second hand Epstein had this.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
But I just wonder.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
I just wonder if there is going to be a
disconnect between what the people asking for the Epstein files
and what members of Congress actually got think the Epstein
files really are.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
So we'll see. I don't know what they really are.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
I don't know whether the Epstein files is stuff that
Epstein wrote or if it's included in that, whether it's
just FBI reports is I don't know, but we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Remember that former.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Attorney General Bill Barr has been deposed about this and
he's asked about he was asked about this. And let
me just share with you a little bit from the
Washington Post. Comber emerged from the questioning of Bill Barson,
the attorney General was answering every question.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
It had been very transparent.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
Comer added that Barr testified that he did not know
anything about an Epstein so called client list, and that
as attorney General, he had never seen any evidence that
would implicate Trump in any of Epstein's crimes.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
I am not surprised by that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Comer said on Monday that Barr told committee staff that
if there had been anything pertaining the President Trump with
respect to the Epstein lest, he felt like the Biden
administration would have probably leaked it. And I think it's
going to be a lot like that. I don't think
you're going to find compromat on famous people coming out
of this. And here's also part of the reason. I'm

(01:32:55):
not claiming that within any file that Epstein ever had
that there was never a name of a famous person
who you know, would be very kind of titillating to
read this person's name. You know, Bill Gates, Donald Trump,
I don't know anybody anybody, right, and people would love

(01:33:16):
to read about that and wonder who is this. But this,
here's the thing. The DOJ cannot and must not allowed
to be released to the public the names of any well,
certainly victims of Epstein, but also I think it would
be exceptionally unfair to have a name come out of

(01:33:42):
somebody who it came out in an investigation happened to
attend a party at Epstein's house or even go to
Epstein's island.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
You can't infer.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
From the fact that somebody was willing, especially if it
was only once, to get on a billionaire's fancy private
jet and go to a fancy private island hang out
for what a normal person might have thought, Oh my gosh,
this seems like this could be an incredible weekend. Who
wouldn't want to go on a private jet. I'm not
talking about the stuff with the underage girls. Now, let's

(01:34:16):
say you didn't know any of that, and you get
an invitation to go to this billionaire's island, and maybe
you're told some other famous person's gonna be there and
you're gonna get to hang out with whoever with Bill Clinton,
and so you're, oh, I'll go like a free private
jet to a private island to an all expenses paid

(01:34:38):
weekend to hang out and just lie out and whatever.
You can't assume that somebody who did that did anything wrong,
or even knew that anything was going to be done wrong,
or even new afterwards that anything was done wrong. Might
not even have known that, And so it would be wildly,
wildly unfair for the DOJ to release out into the

(01:34:59):
public the name of anybody who hasn't been charged with crime.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
It's that simple.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Indeed, even if somebody might have been considered by the
FBI to potentially be.

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
A suspect in having committed a crime, like.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
They were wondering, did such and such a person have
unlawful sexual contact with an underage girl and they were
looking into it or they were thinking of looking into it,
but either they didn't look into it, or they looked
into it and it came to nothing, or they looked
into it and couldn't figure anything out and so it
came to nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
That way, you cannot release those names to the public.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Can you imagine the reputational damage to somebody who more
likely than not did nothing wrong just from having their
name associated with Epstein, Even though if you had been
in the same situation and not knowing any of Epstein's
dirty laundry at that time, and he invited you to

(01:36:05):
go do this thing, right, you knew him a little bit,
a friend of a friend. You got invited to all this.
You know, Oh, my gosh, that sounds amazing. I'll never
be able to afford to do that myself.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
Gosh, I'm heck, yes, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Going on this freaking Gulf stream or whatever he had
to a private island. My gosh, yes, I'm doing that.
And then suddenly your name is going to be released
to the public because that guy ended up being a
scumbag and you didn't know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
Not fair, And so I think that that's why I think.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
This is gonna turn to nothing. That's my guess. All right,
let's do something else. And this kind of sort of
relates to Epstein. So Dan Bongino, former Secret Service agent,
then mid level kind of star on Fox News and
upper mid level kind of star on podcasting. He made

(01:36:55):
a lot of noise going into the election about Epstein
and about wanting the Epstein files and about wanting all
this stuff out, about wanting to see everything. And then,
because Donald Trump loves people who are on TV, Dan
Bongino gets appointed to be deputy director.

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
Of the FBI.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
And then, as you may recall, Bongino and Cash Bettel,
who's his boss director of the FBI, and Pam Bondy,
who's his boss as Attorney General of the United States,
they're looking at all this stuff, and you will recall
Bondi made this enormous mistake of going on Fox News
and she was asked about the Epstein files and she said, oh, yeah,

(01:37:40):
all this stuff is on my desk right now and
I'm reviewing it, and they'll release it. And they put
out a little bit of meaningless stuff that had already
been out in the public, and then they didn't put
out anything else. And then they came out and said
there's nothing to see here. And it was a very
very bad look and it was handled very badly all
the way around. But before that, apparently there was it.
There was this fight Gino on one side and Bondi

(01:38:02):
on the other, and a little hard to tell about Patel,
but Petel seems more to have been on the Bondi side,
you know, about releasing more and Bongino was pissed. Remember
Bongino at his heart these days is a hardcore magabassed podcaster.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
That's really what he is. Now he's in the FBI.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
He ended up signing on to this letter saying I've
reviewed this stuff and there's nothing to see here. But
before that, there was this big fight, and apparently he
threatened to resign if this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
Weren't released, and it seemed.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
Like Donald Trump decided to back Bondi in not releasing it.
Now this stuff is going to go to Congress, and
well that's a separate thing. But Bongino kind of put
himself in a position, and I don't think he expected it.
He put himself in the position of being on the
other side of Donald.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
Trump on this Epstein thing.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
I don't think he really understood just how much Donald
Trump did not want to.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Deal with this Epstein stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
Even though I deeply believe that Donald Trump doesn't think
he has any personal risk from anything that's in this
so called Epstein files, don't. I think it's very unlikely
that Donald Trump did anything criminal or even close to
it with Epstein. There were just rich playboys, you know,
multi multimillionaires dating you know, gorgeous young women, but not

(01:39:28):
illegally young women. I don't think Trump knew that about
Epstein until later. And actually the story appears to be
that at some point Epstein went and stole an employee
from mar al Lago, and Trump got pissed about it.
Epstein or Glene Maxwell stole an employee who was like

(01:39:49):
some girl that Epstein then went and abused, and maybe
it was even the.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
Girl who killed herself, Virginia Jeffrey. Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
So anyway, finishing this up and then I'll bring bring
the Indy in. So Bongino seems to have gotten himself
on the wrong side of Trump on this Epstein stuff
because he kept pushing to put this stuff out, and
I think he thought Trump would be on his side,
but Trump wasn't on his side. And so then Epstein scene,
then Bongino seems a little out of step, and Trump
decided to back Bondy. So the news yesterday, and this

(01:40:21):
is from semaphore dot com, the Trump administration is tapping
Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey as co deputy director of
the FBI. Right and and I've never heard of that
job that I don't think that's ever existed, co deputy director.

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
And I think that that is.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
A not so subtle version of Hey, Dan, don't let
the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
That's my guess.

Speaker 8 (01:40:48):
Hi, Mandy, your co host, see same thing. They're just
co hosting as the deputy director in the office, you know,
and just zinging back and forth. Can I address the
Jeffrey Epstein thing really quickly?

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:41:05):
For me, it is the bigger picture here, and that
is everyone seemed to know since at least two thousand
and seven that this guy was a creep flying underage
women in and out of the United States of America
to his private island. And I'd like to know a
little more about why that wasn't looked into. I think
that's a really big story, and I want to know
if there wasn't an it wasn't an investigation.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
Who put the cabage on it and why?

Speaker 8 (01:41:29):
Because we all apparently everyone knew.

Speaker 1 (01:41:32):
About this guy, right.

Speaker 8 (01:41:33):
It was one of those things where it's like, oh, yeah,
everybody knows about Jeffrey. So that level of obfuscation where
we don't get to know if the rich and powerful
or well connected or working with the CIA, where was
he and how did.

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
He get away with this?

Speaker 8 (01:41:47):
For so long he was shipping young women in and
out of the United States of America to have sex
with men, and no one thought that was worthy of
looking at.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
Well, so a couple of things here. I do this
quick so we keep you on time.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
I don't know if we know for sure that he
was bringing these girls over there to have sex with
lots of other men versus just himself the friends there,
So do we actually know that?

Speaker 8 (01:42:13):
I mean, are the stories these women have come forward
and said that's what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
So you know, my big question is basically the same
as yours, especially the first time around. Corent alex Acosta,
who later became a Cabinet secretary for Donald Trump but
was US Attorney in Florida at the time, gave the
most sweetheart of any possible sweetheart deal to this guy
who was sexually trafficking young women, and any other person

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would have gotten years and years and years in prison,
and he got this like very low charges, very low sentence,
and it wasn't even as difficult as club fed. It
was like the most minimum security thing you can imagine.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
And I believe he was out.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
He was allowed out during the day to go to
work and just had to come back and sleep there
at night, and and I don't think alex Acosta is
among these people people have been recently subpoena to come
testify about it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
And to me, that is I wish I understood.

Speaker 8 (01:43:05):
That up there, and that's what I want to know about, right,
That's what I want to know about.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
With Jeffrey Epstein, I think you're right though.

Speaker 8 (01:43:11):
The thing that people want they're not going to get.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
What are you got coming up? A couple of things.

Speaker 8 (01:43:15):
We're gonna talk about Christian homeschooling. That's like an og homeschooling,
right is Christian homeschooling. It's a very vibrant community here
in the state. We're going to talk to the president
of that association. And then a little bit later we're
going to talk to Michelle Tafoya. What a career on
the sideline she's had it and she's really making a
name for herself as a political pundit. And she is
going to be at the Steamboat Institute's Freedom Conference this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
What time is that? That is coming up? At two thirty?

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
I believe all right, everybody stick around for Mandy's fantastic show.
I am off for the rest of the week. You
got great fillings. Oh remember tomorrow when Ben Albright is
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was in, he said he was trying not to rerect
the Ferrari wrongly analogizing my show to a Ferrari, whereas

(01:44:04):
I said, I have a very semi professional radio show and.

Speaker 1 (01:44:07):
I don't aspire to more.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
So you text in at five six six nine zero
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Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
Six six nine zero Tomorrow stick around for Andy