08-21-25 - * FULL SHOW* Jimmy Sengenberger Filling In For Ross

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jimmy Sangenberger filling in for Ross Kaminski today as well
as tomorrow, and it is great to be back with
you here on KOA.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
With so much to talk about.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
I mean, there really is no shortage of things to
dive into, because the news cycle just never sleeps, never
even takes a rest. And this morning we had President
Trump get into an issue that, gosh, I just wish

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he'd stay away from. But ever since his meeting with
Putin last week, when he made his statement about mail
in ballots and getting rid of mail in voting and
going after voting machines, he's been back on this election's kick.
And unfortunately that means another statement, another truth, although not

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so true, about none other than Tina Peters, the former
clerk and Recorder of Mason County, disgraced and behind bars
in prison, serving out a sentence of just shy of
nine years, tweeting out this morning, well, I guess truthing
out whatever it is posting on truth Social all caps free.

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Tina Peters a brave, an innocent patriot who has been
tortured by crooked Colorado politicians, including the big mail in
ballot supporting the governor of the state. Let Tina Peters
out of jail right now. She did nothing wrong except

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catching the Democrats cheat in the election. A lot of
typos in different jumbled words here. She is an old
woman and very sick. If she is not released, I
am going to take harsh measures three xplent points. What
does that mean? Harsh measures? Now, since this is supposed
to be a truth, let's analyze the president's post.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Here he says, free Tina Peters, a brave and.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Innocent patriot who has been tortured by crooked Colorado politicians.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Let's stop there.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
There's nothing brave about what she did, pretending helping a
guy named Conan Hayes pretend to be another guy named
Gerald Wood, without gerald Wood knowing that this was happening,
using his ID to get into a secure election facility,
to then make copies of the server hard drive before

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and after an update, and then leak that data, that
information out into the public for it to be manipulated
by bad actors who would take data and say me
one thing when it clearly doesn't. In fact, that Tina
Peters released three or four different reports so called reports

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during the twenty twenty two election cycle, when she was
running for Secretary of State in the Republican primary that
and made all sorts of claims from the data in
Mason County and they were debunked, including by the District
Attorney's office in Masa County itself. And that is, by
the way, a Republican da in Dan Rubinstein. She used

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somebody's identity with someone else to get that person in surreptitiously.
She also spun different narratives to her own employees and
employees at the Secretary of State's office to help make
that happen, to help facilitate it, which is a felony
called attempt to influence a public servant. And there was

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three felonies for that that she was convicted of and
convicted of a oh what was the exact charge, but
it dated dealt with criminal impersonation. Conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation,
I think was the other felony. Those aren't innocent crimes.

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And she was found guilty by a jury of her
peers in a deep red Republican county, prosecuted with the
support of all three Republican county commissioners, and by a
Republican district attorney who was resoundingly re elected in that county.

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He goes on in this post to say, including the
big male in ballot supporting the governor of the state. Well,
of course, Governor Poulis or any Colorado governor is going
to be in favor of mal in ballots, because Colorado's
for the most part, vast.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Majority like it.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
In fact, did you know this little known fact In
twenty thirteen, when Colorado switched to vote by mail universal
vote by mail, seventy percent of voters We're already signed
up for no excuse absentee ballots, meaning they were being
sent in the mail by their own choice a ballot
automatically seventy percent of voters. Now, there were a lot

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of problems with some of the setup and how things
were unrolled in terms of mail in voting, but we
were as ready as a state could be to make
that happen. And no governor of Colorado is going to say, well,
I want to just get rid of mail in voting
when this is what people like and do. It's imperfect, sure,
but they're constantly improving and it actually is a pretty
darn safe and secure system. And I say that as

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somebody who has delved deeply into this, very closely talked
with actual experts in the field of elections and county
clerks and secretary areas of state and so forth. I'm
not talking about hyper partisan hack Jenna Griswold, by the way,
but others former Deputy secretary is I mean people who

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are involved in crafting this whole system horror Republicans. And
I served twice on the Canvas board in Arapahoe County,
which is a really educational experience to understand how the
system works closely, because the canvas Board certifies the election results,

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is there for pre election testing, conducts the audit that
happens after every election, and then certifies the election results
in the county. And there's a representative from the Republican
Party and a representative from the Democrat Party. Trump goes on,
let Tina Peters out of jail right now. She did
nothing wrong except catching the Democrats cheat in the election.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
She did no such thing.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
There's nothing what's soever that Tina Peters proof. The so
called files that were deleted were not required under federal
or state law or rules.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
There was no proof of flipping votes or.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Anything in Masa County, whether that is in the twenty
twenty election or in a spring election that happened in
twenty twenty one, that, at least, the story goes, is
what got Tina Peters interested in looking into Mesa County election.
I'm sorry, mister President, You're wrong on this. She absolutely

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did things that are wrong. He goes on to say
she is an old woman and very sick. She is
I think seventy now. If she is not released, I
am going to take harsh measures. What does that mean?
In what business do you have interfering with the decision
of a jury in a deep red Republican county. Basically
Republican jurors in a county that consistently went MAGA went

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for Trump all three times that he ran.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
It is absurd. There's a statement.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
I've gotten from the district attorney in Mason County, Dan Rubinstein,
and one of the most conservative counties in Colorado, where
Donald Trump overwhelmingly received the most votes to be president.
Miss Peters and the Republican district attorney who handled the
prosecution were also elected, as were all Republican Board of

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County commissioners who unanimously requested the prosecution of Miss Peters
on behalf of the Mesa County citizens who she victimized.
It is a gross McK mischaracterization of the facts of
the case to claim miss Peters did nothing wrong after
she cost the citizens of Masa County, Colorado more than

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a million dollars as a result of her criminal act.
Miss Peters was indicted by a grand jury of her
peers and convicted unanimously with a standard of proof beyond
a reasonable doubt at a trial by a jury of
her peers that she selected. That's the Republican district attorney

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who led the prosecution of Tina Peters and the investigation,
Dan Rubinstein. That's just it is astonishing to me to
see this going. You can have concerns and want to
make reforms, and I do in many respects about the
election system and mail in ballots and so forth. And
you always want to make change in reforms that help

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improve things. You should anyway, But this is entirely an
entirely different ballgame. Now, there's nothing real quick we got
to go to break There's nothing that Trump can actually
do here because this was a state case and she
is in state prison. But he has drawn attention to

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it and certainly amping people up again to believe things
about Tina Peters that frankly just aren't true.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
And mind you, I watched ninety five.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Percent of her trial, and I was in the courtroom
the day of her sentencing in person in Masa County.
I know this case as well as you can. I've
talked with the players in it, including Tina Peters, on
multiple occasions, and I'm just, I'm really I think he's

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being deeply misled here and whoever's doing that should resign
and ought to be ashamed. It is a damn shame.
Let's be clear about that. I'm Jimmie Sangenberger in for
ros Kaminski, already warmed up and ready to go as
we continue on KOA. Gosh, They're always just such a
great bit. Some of the songs are among the best

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classic rock songs ever. Now, today at the state Legislature
under the Golden Home, the special session is beginning. They
say they're in an eight hundred million dollar hole out
of a forty four billion dollar budget, and it's all

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Republican's fault in Congress, It's Trump's fault for passing these
so called big beautiful bill because the state tax revenue
is tied to what the federal government considers taxable income.

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And the primary reason why they in this moment aren't
getting some of the expected revenue or won't be is
because they could overtime taxes, so you're not tax then
overtime and tips, these things that will make a hole

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in the state budget are making the hole.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
But they say that's it, you need to stop.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
There, and Republicans allowing people to keep more of their
hard earned money are causing the problems. But in fact,
we had and I know Michael Fields of Advanced Colorado
has really driven at this point home in many different forums.
We had a three point six billion with a B
three point six billion dollars surplus just a few years

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ago at the state and they squandered that, they spent it,
they wasted it, and now here we are instead of
having that money available in any way, shape or form,
they're trying to figure out what can we cut, what
can we change, what can we reform? And of course,
before we know it, they'll be coming after our tabor

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refunds yet again, even though the voters consistently say no.
The state constitution lets us decide whether or not we
want to allow you to get your grubby little hands
on our money, more of our money. Then we're gonna
keep saying, hell, no, we did it on proposition C,

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or was it CC, we did it on HH and
so many other times and opportunities they're run around. Of course,
is on fees. Oh, let's just declare it a fee.
We want to add a new fee on Uber rides
or on door dash or Amazon deliveries. We're just gonna

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call that a fee, and we're gonna say it's going
to transportation. But what we really mean by transportation is
it's going to transit.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
And what we mean by transit.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Is light rail and buses and especially light rail and
environmental mitigation, not to roads. We don't want the money
to go to roads, God forbid, it goes to roads,
and that people actually see and feel the benefits and
our advantage economically instead of harmed economically. Because there's a drain,

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especially as you get more out into the mountains to
communities that are impacted by poor highway condition. It just
goes to show priorities are all out of whack. Later
on in the program, we will check in with state
Representative Rose Poglici. She is the House Minority Leader, and

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we'll find out what's going on on the ground, what
to expect from this so called special session that's coming
up later on in the program.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
We're going to take a break here. When we return.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
On the other side, David Hersani, formerly a Denver Post
columnist years back, now with the Washington Examiner, He's going
to join us. What really is the appeal and popularity
of socialism today? Let's dive in on the other side.
Jimmy Sangenberger in for Ross Kaminski on KOA. Bring in
some best of the best bumper music known to man.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
You left me.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Nothing but the Bill and the Blues.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Isn't that the.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Definition of socialism? I mean, sure there's more technical definitions,
but that's what it seems like is going on, particularly
if you are the wealthy people who have the majority
of the tax burden that is placed on your backs,
even as you are the ones that are providing the
investment capital that make the economy go ensure that businesses

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are able to start and to prosper. This also begs
the question which we are now going to take up
here on KOA. Is socialism as popular as the media think.
David Harsani is our first guest this morning, and he's

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a senior writer at The Washington Examiner, author prolific commentator,
and he joins us now about a piece entitled exactly
that is Socialism as popular as the Media think?

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Good morning, David, How are you?

Speaker 3 (16:03):
I'm well, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Good to have you, add sir, I appreciate you taking
some time, So let's answer that question and then break
it down in greater detail as you do in your story.
Is socialism as popular as the media think in the
year twenty twenty five?

Speaker 3 (16:21):
I do not think so.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
No, And I think that's going to be pretty evident
by the types of people who can win race, you know,
national races or statewide races, compare to the people that
they celebrate who they think can win them, if that
makes any sense.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
But I keep hearing about this guy Zohron Mom Donnie,
who's running for mayor of New York City, and he
embodies democratic socialism in its best ways, and therefore when
the young people follow him, that shows that there's something
real going on, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
I don't think so. I'm Donnie.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
We are told that the most recent oh to him
was in time magazine was like a five thousand workpiece
or whatever telling us how you know he connects with
younger people, that he has all this talent. I'm pretty
skeptical about that. I mean, if you really think about it,
He's running in New York City, where against two corrupt
has been Adam Eric Adams and Andrew Cuomo. If there

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was one United candidate among sort of oppositional or traditional Democrats,
he would probably lose there as well. But I don't
even think he could win New York State. So you know,
there are people in Virginia, let's say, or elsewhere. There
are candidates who're running in purplish states that have far
wider appeal, and they don't get on the cover of
Time magazine. No one treats to them that way, and

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they have a far wider appeal than mom Donnie does,
or AOC does or anyone like that. So I'm pretty
skeptical that socialism is exactly as popular as they think,
because it's not just the economics. It comes with a
whole menu of positions that are I think turned normies off,
including social science, quackery or you know, celebrating criminality and

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illegal immigration and things like that.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Which aren't very popular.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
I'm old enough to remember David Harsani not very long
ago when Alexandria Casio Cortes splashed onto the scene and
everybody was talking about the way in which she was
resonating with young people and how that was rocking American
politics to the core. It seems like we just have
these figures. Sometimes it's an older guy like Bernie Sanders.

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Other times it's someone like Mom Donnie or AOC who's
bringing that.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Youthful edge to it.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
And yet it's it's the same message and it doesn't
seem like it resonates the way that the media keeps
insisting that it does.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Well.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah, there's a there's a distorted vision coming from media
about what's popular in America. We've seen that for a
long time. We see with Donald Trump. I mean, I
think they're impressed by Mom Donnie.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
They are impressed by AOC.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
A lot of the national political press live in places
like DC and you know New York, where where they
you know, they they like the things that those people
are saying. They find them charismatic, but it just doesn't
seem to be And listen, I do think socialism is
more popular among young people than it used to be,

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for sure. I mean, I think there is resentment and
a sort of populism grows into socialism or other things.
I think there is that trend going on. But it's
not like Democrats don't win New York City anyway. So
if you're going to have a socialist there, I mean,
de Blasio was almost a socialist of pretty much a
socialists self.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
He wasn't, you know.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
So I don't think it's as you know, a big
an election as the media makes it out to be.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Now you quote here David Harsani, our guest from the
Washington Examiner, from that Time magazine piece The Meaning of
Zorn Mom Donnie, you quote how Time describes him as
an ideologue interested in creative solutions. I mean, I don't
know how creative rent control that's been going on for

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almost one hundred years, how creative that really is, or
the notion of let's nationalize or have the government run
grocery stores in New York City or what have you.
But that's the way some prominent mainstream outlets are presenting
this as though it's just creative solutions, giving some new
wrapping to the socialist mindset and policy positions.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
I mean, I don't want to attack that particular writer
that probably am my guests, but it sure sometimes to
me like that we have reporters who don't have a
very good education in history and the to them, it
feels like something new and exciting to say that we're
going to put prist controls on rent, or we're going
to put christ controls on food, or that we're going

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to have government run supermarkets. If these are not new
or fresh ideas, they've been and around forever. I believe
that redcaps were instituted in New York in the nineteen,
you know, forties, so you know, I mean I grew
up in New York and you knew families that had
these are in control apartments, that would you know, bequeath
them to their own family.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
On and on.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
These are not new ideas, they're bad ideas. It's a
separate issue. And you know, there's nothing fresh about his outlook.
And honestly, when you look at that piece, and I
invite people to read it themselves, take out quotes of
his they're just tropes that politicians use all the time.
There's nothing special about what he's say.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Nothing.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Now, on the other hand, This is something that is
very discouraging to me, and I'm curious your thoughts, David Harsony,
especially as we talk about the popularity of socialism, because
we have a presidential administration and President Trump. Well, I'm
a three time voter for President Trump, but when he
does things like pursuing federal ownership stakes in a company

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like Intel or US Steel, that gives me real concerns
because that's have a control over the means of production
coming from the federal government.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
There's an interesting.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Piece in the Wall Street Journal yesterday by Daniel J.
Smith where he writes, even if well intentioned, mister Trump's
actions erode the gopiece free market credentials, lawmakers will soon
argue that if chips and steel are too important to
leave to free markets, food and medicine are as well.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
What do you make of this, especially.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
In the context of the socialist conversation and a Republican
president and Trump.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Well, I've been worried for a while about this sort
of thing because populism elits often to socialistic ideas. Now
we call it socialism. Obviously, socialism is the stay taking
the means of production, right. This is actually and I'm
not I think people get upset when you say this,
but this is more fascistic when you have a top
down control of the economy. I'm not saying that we're

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Nazi Germany or anything, but I am saying that taking
sometimes majority stakes and companies as Trump has done, and
then taking a big stake in Intel if we do
it at fifteen percent stake to try to save some essentially
like the bailouts we had years ago, you know, and
it doesn't lead to good places. And I am very
concerned about it. I don't think that the free market

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is very popular at all among voters right now. It's
a scapegoat for a lot of things. And you know,
we have even you know, when you think about JD.
Vance or others who are even more I think economic populace.
You're going to see a lot more control through of
the economy through Washington. And none of this is to mention,
and that's completely unilateral and probably unconstitutional.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
I mean, we vote, do not even voting.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
On taking a state of Intel.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
President just decided he wants to run the semiconductor industry
because everything politicians don't like becomes an emergency, and that
is going to be dangerous when there's a democratic or
it's dangerous now, but one day there'll be a Democrat.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
President again, and he will use those same powers.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
And that's a big concern.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Is this notion that you at a precedent and then,
especially if you're Republican, is setting the precedent of intervening
in the private sector in this way, then that opens
the floodgates for Democrats to.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Do so in the future. But you made an interesting.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Observation that I think is worth unpacking a little bit,
that jd. Vance, the Vice President, is more of an
ideologue on these things when it comes to populism. I
view Trump as more of a sort of transactional guy,
of course, but a almost pragmatic or practical in some sense,
although I don't think this is a very pragmatic or
practical view in my opinion, but in his mind it

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seems to be as opposed to Jadvance, who may say
on an ideological level, this is a good idea. How
do you sort of look at Trump's view of public
policy and using government for these kinds of things versus
somebody who's more ideologically populist, like a Jadvance or maybe
a Josh Hawley.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Well, I think Trump is not very ideological at all.
And I say that admire in a way. I mean,
I think that he does if he sees an idea
and you know, you have to agree with it, But
if he thinks it's a good idea, he'll do it,
whether you know, whether it fits into some sort of
ideological ideological structure he has or not. So a lot
of the things were Instance did in the first terms

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were just though he had a very different tone, there
were essentially things that any Republican would want to do
or say they'd want to do that taxes, cut regulations,
things like that. I think this administration is a little
bit different. It might have to do with the people
in it. Jady Vance, on the other hand, from what
I see in Josh Holly for sure, and Josh Howley
to me, is just a leftist who goes to church,
I just don't really understand how he's supposed to be

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a Republican in any real way. I think the woke
stuff got a lot of people on the same side
who really don't share.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Many other ideals together.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
That's just my opinion, And Jady Vance is a little
harder to pin down. I do think he's kind of
like Josh Holly, probably, but you know, he's also again
I think this is an admirable trait. You know, he's
loyal to the president, so he's not going to always
give his real opinion. But I suspect, yes, that he's
going to be much more socialistic about power government, redistributing

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wealth to the people he thinks he who deserve it.
And I don't think those are very good ideas.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
You mentioned David Harsani a few moments ago about the
unpopularity at the moment of free markets. People aren't really
aligned there what needs to be done or what can
be done, especially in this environment this Republican party now
with President Trump taking some of these positions, whether it's
what we're seeing in terms of the federal government having

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ownership stock in companies like intel Ustel, or the trade
policies and approaching a trade war in the ways that
he does.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
How can conservatives.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
People who believe in the free market help to grow
or expand the messaging so that we can have a
resurgence in recognition that the free enterprise system is the
way to go.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
That's a very good question. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
I make those arguments and they're not very popular at all.
I mean, believing in a free market. It's an it's
an abstract sort of idea that you you're you're, you're peddling, right,
so people have to to like on trade, you say, well,
you know, but you're you know if if you know,
people want to bring jobs back, they want something tangible.
If you tell them, oh, you'll you know, if if

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prices are lower, you'll have extra money to spend. You'll
be you know, investing in a new industry. And you know,
it's a too hard an argument to make in a
fifty little, you know way, so it's difficult to begin with.
I've often heard you know, I'm older, I've been around,
and we're constantly fighting the same fights, and you're sometimes
you're up, sometimes you're down. And the same fights over

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capitalism and socialism have been going on a long time.
So people always think they can do it better and
they can do it right, especially with socialism. I think
the natural state of things are a free market economy.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
If you'll let people will go.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
And the only way to I think get that back.
And George Will I think made this argument in a
column recently about New York is to let socialism fail.
I think that we're so rich and wealthy and innovative
that we can we can survive some socialism and some
bad policy more than other nations like Venezuela or something.

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But it's still going to hurt people and hopefully will
come to our senses.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
I guess just a few minutes left with you.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Our guest, David Harshani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner,
speaking of jd Vance, I want to play a quick
clip of him from I think this was just yesterday
where he was analyzing sort of giving advice to Democrats,
the autopsy for the Democrats.

Speaker 6 (28:44):
Some free political advice from the President of the United States.

Speaker 7 (28:46):
Is too much. Stop sounding like crazy people. That really
is all it is.

Speaker 6 (28:50):
I mean, this idea that Gavin Newsom is somehow going
to mimic Donald Trump's style, I think that ignores the
fundamental genius of President Trump's political.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Success, which is that he's authentic.

Speaker 7 (29:00):
He just is who he is.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
You've got to be yourself.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
You've actually got to talk to people honestly about the issues.
I don't think it's that complicated. Don't be a crazy person,
be authentic. If the Democrats did that they'd do a.

Speaker 7 (29:12):
Hull of a lot better.

Speaker 6 (29:13):
But the thing is, the Democrats really can't help themselves.
If you look at the transgender issue, they're still talking
about letting men playing women's sports. If you look at
the crime issue, they're calling Donald Trump a fascist for
taking action that in nine days has dropped armed robberies
by fifty five percent. So part of sounding less crazy
is being less crazy. And if the Democrats were less crazy,

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I think we'd all get along a whole lot better.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
What do you make of that?

Speaker 1 (29:38):
And what's going on in terms of the political dynamics
right now as the left tries to counteract President Trump,
and quite frankly, they're not succeeding. If the polls are
any indication.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
Well, yeah, I agree with every word of that. I've
been writing about that for a long time. I think
that the left has gone in same with a lot
of issues that Normy has just looked at and they
used to kind of brush off. But they've become central
to the left's arguments, you know. So it's going to
be hard for I mean, democrats will find success in
people who will just vote Democrat no matter what, and

(30:12):
a bunch of people who maybe are mad about whatever
is happening in Washington. They have no real message, They
have no coherent message about the world, about economics. I
think Jade Van says write about Donald Trump, Trump's authenticity,
that's not something you can fake. I do wonder sometimes
how much people really care about authenticity. But I think

(30:33):
Donald Trump has a unique way of connecting to certain
people who wouldn't normally vote for Republicans and connect and
getting garnering loyalty that most politicians won't get. Now, not everyone,
but a large you know, thirty percent of people love
him personally. They say they talk about him, not Republicans.
That's rare in politics. So he has that. I do wonder, though,

(30:55):
I guess is my only thing to add here other
than that would be I wonder if that's going to
be if JD. Vans will be able to either that
will be transposed unto JD. Vans or wherever runs or
Mark or Ruby or whoever's the next is Trump. Isn't
something that outlasts Trump himself that I wonder about.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what
will happen there.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
That's the curious question for sure, is after the president
is no longer the president, and you have Republicans who
are either in office or they're running. I guess he
would be the president at the time, but he wouldn't
be running for office. How will you be pointing to
the idea of America first? As far as guidance, like,
is Trumps still going to be.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Well for a while? He will certainly be in the.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Picture, But to what extent does that enable him to
shape things when he's not in the White House or
he's not having those levers of control that give him
the opportunity to directly well direct to America first, as
they say, as they.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
Call it, Yeah, I mean, I think Trump is an
incredibly unique figure in American history, and he has a
lot lot of things going for him that other people
don't have very easily going for him, including celebrity. I
think a lot of people, like Latino voters probably are like,
you know, they know him, and can they trust that
he is not going to be you know, the next
Hitler or whatever it is. And I'm not saying that

(32:15):
that's what they'll think of Jadvans, But my point is
that he can engender a lot of trust from his
path that I don't know who who the next Republican
will be can do as well.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, I think that is we'll see very fascinating.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
We will see as time unfolds, even in the midterms
next year when Trump is not literally on the ballot,
but he is in many respects going of course to
be on the ballot, and we have not since Grover
Cleveland had a midterm election cycle for a president who
had a four year gap in between terms.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
So that will be something to watch too.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Always great
to talk with you, sir, Thanks so much for joining us.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
On KOWA today.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
It was a pleasure. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Thank you once again. David Harsani joining us.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
A prolific author of several books, including First Freedom, A
Ride through America's enduring history with the Gun. Always fascinating
when you dig into the history of a phenomenon in
America that is uniquely American. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger filling in

(33:24):
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we will be checking in With Rose buglisi down at
The State. Capitol she is The House Republican minority leader

(33:48):
as The Special. Session don't you just love that term
the Special session because it's just so specially when they
get together outside of the one hundred and twenty. Days not,
really but she'll join us live from under The Golden
dome as we learn about the craziness happening at The State.
Capitol keep it. Here Jimmy sangenberger in For Ross kiminski ON.

(34:10):
Koa Jimmy sangenberger in For Ross kaminsky today as well as.
Tomorrow good to be with you and to now Have
dragon behind the. Glass how you, doing, brother good, buddy and,
yourself you, know not too. SHABBY i was encouraged in
recent days to learn that IF i can nerd out

(34:33):
for a moment since you're, here that there are Two
Star trek movies in the works, finally including the fourth
movie With Chris pine As Captain kirk And Zachary quinto
as Mister.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Spock and that has been a long time. Coming they
have been.

Speaker 8 (34:51):
So many rumors and so many, cancelations and now we're
back on.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Well Sky Dance merged completed their purchase or whatever with Of,
paramount and so they're Saying Star trek is a.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Priority there is talk.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Now so there's a Show Strange New worlds that focuses
On Captain, pike who was the predecessor To Captain kirk
on The.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Enterprise it is really. Good this season's a little bit.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Seen this season not quite as, great just because they're
doing a little too much with relationship stuff That Star
trek isn't so much known.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
For but it's still really.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Good this last episode was, excellent and what they're doing
is leading into what that show's creators hope to Be
Star Trek year, one which would be the first year
Of kirk As captain of The, enterprise which he's not
even on The enterprise right. Now so and then they've
Got Star Trek Starfleet, academy WHICH i don't, Know i'm

(35:49):
a little back and. Forth, no that's live, action Although
Paul giamatti is going to be the villain in, that
so that should u's the. Game, Yes so there's some
exciting stuff in nerd world going, on even Though Star
wars is constantly and there's some news on that. Front
two of films coming out and so, forth but that,

(36:11):
one there's a so hit and miss With Star. Wars
it's Interesting Star trek has been more consistent of late
Than Star wars has internal.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Quality take it either Or i'll take some new. Stuff, Yes.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
And one of the things That Star trek of course
is known for is, peace at least trying to achieve
peace amongst different, planets different alien. Races, well sometimes it
seems Like President trump is trying to do the same,
thing doesn't. It how's that for a, Segue, Dragon that's pretty.
GOOD i like where you're, going especially when it comes to.

(36:48):
Putin the guy's mindset is just so foreign to so Many.
Americans this is the guy who fancies himself the twenty
first Century Peter. Great that is to, say he wants
to bring back The Russian Tsarist. Empire that so much
The Soviet, union but The, russian the Old Russian. Empire

(37:12):
President trump had his meeting last week where he seemed
to come out empty, handed but then earlier this week
he sat down With european leaders And, zelenski WHO i
love the Babylon bee said He trump Deserves Nobel prize
for Getting zelensky to wear a.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
Suit there you, go no tie, though no. Tie, yeah
this is pretty. Close he hits a. Start, hey the
black on black looked pretty slick, though you know that
works for. Him it works like he's wearing his dad's
suit jacket because the sleeves were a touch.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Long but, yeah, yeah he's gotta he's gotta get used
to it for a little. BIT i, mean come on.
Now but that was that.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Was, remarkable the photos Of trump sort of whole court
with all of these leaders and then he comes out
and actually even while the meanings were, happening he, said
quote About, Europe they're going to be a lot of.
Help they are the first line of defense because they're,

(38:18):
there They're.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Europe but we're going to help them.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Out, also we'll be, involved and he stressed that The
europeans want to give, protection they feel very strongly about,
it and we'll help.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Them out with.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
That trump has not said The United states isn't going
to provide military support if necessary down the, road which
is absolutely critical to helping to ensure security For ukraine
and for the region and for the.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
World quite, frankly.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
And The Wall Street journal earlier this week pointed out
that this is welcome realism about what it will take
to gain a durable peace In.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Ukraine and that's absolutely.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
True you need a realism view, here a recognition of
what it will take to ensure peace and. Stability and
what Is President trump if not somebody who's clearly focused on,
peace like him or not on a lot of the
policies at home or what have. You he is the
man who brought about in his administration The Abraham accords

(39:25):
in the First trump, term remarkable peace With israel and
a number of Golf arab. Countries now we've Seen india And.
Pakistan we've seen what happened With iran with a very
strong and determined strike By President trump Against iran's nuclear.

(39:46):
Program tremendous, success and it didn't start a mass war With.
Iran and there are a number of. Others, GOSH i
think there are like something on the order of six
or s even different peace deals of some. Kind azerbaijan And.
TURKEY i mean it was it is or, rather excuse,

(40:12):
me isn't It? Armenia Not?

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Turkey.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
ARMENIA i had a brain freeze there that was. Remarkable
so this is a guy who has that goal and
will he achieve it? HERE i think that requires, realism and,
LOOK i GOTTA i gotta be. HONEST i was very
worried WHEN i Saw trump seemingly come out empty, handed

(40:41):
WHEN i saw him.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Play so nice With. Putin but it seems like he's
got a strategy.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Here and that's WHY i have taken a wait and
see approach and encourage a weight and see approach on
this to see what actually will. Happen as the journal,
wrote Mister trump sincerely wants to end the war as
he promised in his, campaign and perhaps he's persuaded that
THE us has to step up with The. Europeans Mister

(41:12):
trump is moving in the right direction when he tacitly
acknowledges That america has a strong interest in.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
A Peaceful ukraine and a Stable.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Europe, absolutely and he does seem a little bit optimistic.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Here here is a hot mic moment With President macron Of.
FRANCE i think he gets to.

Speaker 7 (41:30):
Make a deal for.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Thusday as crazy as.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
A, SENTISMAN i think he wants to make a deal for.
Me do you, Understand as crazy as it, sounds he
seems pretty confident, here, though Is macron in a preview
Of Sunday's meet The press interview with, him at LEAST

(41:53):
i think it's going to air in full On.

Speaker 9 (41:54):
SUNDAY i don't see any swapt the proposal Of Zia,
russians except the swept in comparison with what they wanted
at the. Beginning this is The Ukrainian president and The
ukrainian people to discuss about if he considers they can
get the build on to the Great. News WHEN i
look at the situation and the, FACTS i don't see

(42:17):
a person putting very willing to get the.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Peace now we will.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
SEE i tend to, agree but that's where some pressure
and other things can be brought to bear and maybe
make it. HAPPEN i think a ceasefire would be an
important first, step But trump wint's permanent peace and we'll
see what. Happens later on in the, program we might
get to some comments From John bolton THAT i found rather,
interesting FORMER Un ambassador Under trump in the first, term

(42:47):
about what it would take to actually be successful if
it's Just russia And ukraine with that, work or does
The United? States Does trump need to be in the
room for a Putin zelenski meeting fascinating questions all. Around
I'm Jimmy sanhenberger covering for Ros. Kaminski Don't Go anywhere
right here ON, koa one of the underrated classic rock

(43:09):
tunes of The Great Ozark. Mountain Dare, Devils and that's
what came to mind WHEN i heard.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
This that kind of ties in with.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Our last segment about peace deals and so forth With
russia And, ukraine but with WHEN i Heard President.

Speaker 10 (43:25):
Trump say, this IF i can save seven thousand people
a week from being, KILLED i think THAT'S i want
to try and get to heaven if.

Speaker 11 (43:33):
Possible i'm Hearing i'm not doing. WELL i didn't really
hit the bottom of the totem. Pole but IF i.

Speaker 10 (43:38):
Can get to, heaven this will be one of the. Reasons,
WELL i THINK i saved a lot of lives With.
India packer staid they were going at, it the planes
were being shot, down that was going to be maybe
a nuclear.

Speaker 11 (43:49):
War OF i let that, go AND i did that through.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
TRADE i was again this key.

Speaker 11 (43:54):
PART i think THAT i want to try and get
to heaven if. Possible i'm Hearing i'm not doing.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
WELL i want to try to get to.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Heaven, WELL i do think he maybe he listens to
that song a little too much with the, idea if
you want to get to, heaven you gotta raise a little, hell,
right because that seems to be a lot of the
dives What President trump is doing, sometimes even with regards
To russia And, ukraine some of the things he says
that just stir up the passions and get people, concerned

(44:23):
get me, going you, Know i'm biting my. Teeth worried
a little bit about what he is going on here
and where his mindset, is because he was very strong
when it comes To russia back in his first, term very,
strong remember putting missiles In, poland like this was a
whole big thing That putin was very upset. About it's

(44:45):
actually why it's true that If trump was still in,
office he would not.

Speaker 11 (44:52):
Have.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Invaded.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Now putin said that To trump to play the game
and appeal to him in the same way he Told,
trump you, know mail in ballots or why you lost
in the voting, machines or why you lost in twenty.
Twenty and then next, thing you, Know trump goes to
truth social and starts tweeting about that nonsense about you, know,
Oh i'm going to take on this movement and get

(45:15):
rid of these, things as though he has any standing
or authority to do so as the president or this
morning again tweeting out or posting in support Of Tina
peters as we started at the top of the, show
the disgrace former clerk Of Masa county who's now in
prison for a sentence of just shy of nine.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Years so anyway he likes to raise the little.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Hell maybe maybe that is maybe it's, peace maybe it's through.
Faith we we'll, see, well we probably will never actually
know where he goes. After you, know in the next,
life nobody really does know where we go as far
as heaven or hell or what have. You where you,

(46:00):
go where's your? Destination And I'm, catholic SO i don't.
Know Maybe i'll be in purgatory for a.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
While we'll, see we'll see what. Happens.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
NOW i do have to, say if you want to
get to heaven is one of The Jimmy Jeanie Blues
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Speaker 2 (46:29):
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Speaker 1 (46:29):
Three days of music all Throughout Labor day weekend that
we will be. Performing And i'd be remiss IF i
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Speaker 2 (46:37):
Program we will get to that coming up as we.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Continue jimmy Sanging berger in For Ross kaminski right here ON.
Koa I'm Jimmy sangenberger here with, you in For Ross
kaminski to, Day grateful For, Dragon redbeard behind.

Speaker 12 (47:03):
The, glass plugging in.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Some of WHAT i like to call what we know is,
true the best bumper music known to, man and, look
you were. Wrong you were not You, dragon not, You
you were wrong is sort of the MESSAGE i think

(47:27):
that needs to be sent to people, who, well they
keep getting it, wrong and they need to know that
they've gotten it.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Wrong or that they are getting it wrong right.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Now and that includes the likes Of denver And Cherry
creek school districts which are getting it wrong in swapping
merit for. Equity my column in The Denver gazette On,
tuesday Entitled Denver Cherry Creek Schools mirrored For equity talks

(48:01):
about two big things going wrong in these school, districts
like many other school.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Districts one is.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Valedictorians you, know back in, mind back in my.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Day back in my, Day Cherry creek. Schools that's. Better
we're dedicated to excellence both school you could do it
better than. Me, BROTHER i appreciate.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
It so stay back in my, Day Cherry creek schools
were dedicated.

Speaker 8 (48:27):
Excellence back in mind, Age Cherry gree, schools we're dedicated to.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
EXCELLENCE i love. It NOW i want to watch The.
Simpsons you kind of remind me Of Grandpa simpson at the.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Moment but, now, folks they have shed that reputation and
declared war on. It it's like they want to make
sure that no student rises above the rest this school.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Year as you may, know.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Graduates can forget about achieving valedictorian status altogether because the
district has scrapped what they're calling an outdated, practice and
that goes into effect this school.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Year, now it's, true.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Some district high, schools Including Cherry, creek had already gotten
rid of. Valedictorians others had a large. Number SO i
remember my sister years back was one of seventeen or eighteen.
Valedictorians that's a, lot but they still had. Them they
still have that kind of recognition for outstanding, achievement and

(49:35):
most school districts still had it as a. Thing many
students even aspired to. It now that opportunity is gone
in one fell, swoop and they're saying In Cherry Creek
schools that recognizing top achievers doesn't align with the core
values of, quote teaching all students rather than ranking and sorting.

(49:58):
Them why can't you in clude recognition of outstanding achievement
while teaching. STUDENTS i, mean don't you want to teach
the students and then acknowledge those who are outstanding? Achievers
but apparently academic achievement is too competitive for the once
premier school. District to, me my family moved here in

(50:18):
two thousand and one midway through my fifth grade year In,
january and specifically wanted to go To Cherry Creek schools
for their kids because it was.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
The cream of the.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Crop it was known for that reputation of being dedicated to.
Excellence AND i graduated from high, School Grandview High, school
In Cherry Creek schools at a time when it was
still the pre eminent school. District, Now Douglas County schools
is far and away better Than Cherry creek if you

(50:54):
just look at any of the basic metrics of how
students have performed in fact on the standardized. Tests the
c mass, tests which are one measure of, This Cherry
Creek schools has still not recovered learning loss from the.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Pandemic same goes For Denver Public.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Schools which, is by the, way asking teachers whether they
agree with the proposed board.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Policy school board policy.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Promising equitable outcomes for all students with educational environments quote
free from oppressive systems and grounded in, racial educational and language.
Equity if this is what they're, promising, though they're spectacularly failing.

(51:43):
Now Priscilla ron is a Veteran Denver Public schools. Educator
she's a certified master. TEACHER i quoted her in my
column where she, SAID i don't think a district can
measure equitable. Outcomes equitable, processes, yes BUT i don't think
you could have a about equitable.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Outcomes and she's absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Here equality of, opportunity that, is leveling the playing field
for kids is one, thing but even purporting to guarantee equal,
outcomes let alone pursuing, them defies The american ethos and
human nature. Itself both, districts, though advocate what's called equity,

(52:27):
grading where failing grades are deemed unfair if students turn
in zero, work they're still not supposed to get anything
below of forty or fifty. Percent teachers will actually mark
oftentimes assignments is, incomplete not going to impact THEIR, gpa

(52:48):
and often providing credit recovery. OPPORTUNITIES i, mean quite, frankly
this let's call it mediocratic approach because it's, mediaocracy, right,
mediocrity but we could call it a.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Mediocracy but this approach.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Of mediocrity is being taught to, teachers push to teachers
through workshops books Like grading For, equity which openly defend great,
inflation particularly among minorities, students all ostensibly to alleviate systemic
barriers and reduce learning, gaps but it doesn't do anything

(53:28):
of the.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Sort let's get through some of the.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Data the Ones Mighty Cherry Creek School district fewer than
half of their elementary and middle schoolers can read or
do math at grade.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Level In denver public, schools it's even.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Worse barely forty percent of students are proficient In, english
hardly thirty percent meet.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
The benchmarks in.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Math then it gets even worse for black And hispanic,
students or supposedly the main beneficiaries of equity program just
twenty five percent In denver and thirty percent.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
In Cherry creek Meet english.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Standards for, math that's twenty two percent In Cherry creek
and sixteen percent IN, dps again for black and brown
Or black And hispanic students.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Specifically then you get to the high school.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Level Cherry creek has three quarters that are college ready In, english, okay.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
But just forty six percent in.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
MATH dps is a tragic fifty one percent For english
and thirty one percent proficiency in. Math then you get
To black And hispanic.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Students, again that group.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
That is supposed to benefit the most from equity.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Programs only fifty nine.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Percent Of black And hispanic students Meet english, benchmarks twenty
six percent in both of those For Cherry creek, schools
and then In denver public schools it's worse at thirty
nine percent For english and nineteen percent for, math and,

(55:14):
that by the, way is according to THE psat AND sat.
Data yet over In Denver public, schools the Superintendent Alex,
morero who's a joke because just he's got to.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Go you need a new. Superintendent there in a complete, reset.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
But he celebrates what he calls it historic seventy nine
percent graduation.

Speaker 12 (55:36):
Rates IN dps diploma's trump actual learning kids are not
prepared to go to the next, stage and he had
it celebrated because they've got a.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Diploma they are graduating.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
All.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Right in my Column, tuesday when even rock bottom expectations proved,
inconvenient The State board Of education moved the, goalposts cutting
MINIMUM sat scores from five hundred to four hundred. Eighty
now we will get new data soon from the tests
from last, year but the question Will Cherry creek AND

(56:18):
dps finally show recovery from pandemic learning loss like we've
seen In Douglas, county which has recovered from and even
improved beaten in some categories pre pandemic levels. Now priscilla
Ron i recently interviewed her in studio WHEN i was

(56:42):
filling in For mandy about her new, Book Restoring education
In america And Inspirational Teacher, toolbox all about providing real world,
lessons specifically for fellow educators from three decades of. Experience
she's been a teacher FOR i think THIRTY i think
this is a thirty second.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Year as she really.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Looks at this and, says this philosophy that's pursued by
these school, districts abandons exactly what students need most. Quote teaching,
students particularly those and underprivileged urban environments about meritocracy isn't
just about giving them a lesson in how to work.
Hard it's about giving them the tools to break free

(57:25):
from the cycles of poverty and dependence and empowering them
to create a better future for. Themselves, Now Priscilla ron
is a teacher Of Foremar school, administrator and she really
underscores in her book the diligence is their path to
dignity and freedom no.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Matter where they.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Start so it is important to meet the individual needs of,
students which is why school choice is so. Critical if
a school isn't working for a particular, kid let them
go someplace. Else but the stakes are far back beyond individual.
Students wait districts Like Cherry creek Or denver dispense with

(58:07):
celebrating academic. Achievement they, say oh to heck with merit
all in the name of. Equity they sabotage students' futures
and what's frankly an increasingly competitive. World how are you

(58:28):
setting them up for success with? This, no you're setting
them up for failure, Meritocracy Priscilla ron writes in her
Book Again Restoring education In, America meritocracy isn't simply about
quote helping students succeed in their own, community but about

(58:49):
equipping them to thrive on a world.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
State that's exactly.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
It so by eliminating, valedictorians by inflating grades and, diplomas
school districts like the ones my Age Harry, creek they're
not lifting students, Up they're lowering the, bar and by doing,
that they're institutionalizing mediocrity in a world that rewards, drive, determination,

(59:19):
perseverance and, frankly that isn't, fairness that's not real. Equity
It's we've heard it many times in the, past and
it fits. Here it's the soft bigotry of low, expectations
especially when we are talking about black and brown students
who are being left behind even as they claim to
be putting policies in place to help.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Them by basically setting this.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Low starting point of, well we think you can achieve very,
much so we're going to lower the expectations for. You
we're not gonna let you get worse than a forty
or a fifty, percent even when you're not turning in
or doing the. WORK i just it's. Astonishing, yeah we

(01:00:08):
don't want to recognize valedictorians because the people who aren't
valedictorians will be. Upset guess, what my sister was one.
Of however many. VALEDICTORIANS i was not a. Valedictorian it
would have been, cool BUT i got until my senior.
YEAR i got too many b's in a couple of.
C'S i mean in COLLEGE i got all, a's ONE

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a minus. Regius but you know that's neither here nor.
There i'm not gonna. Brag, no, seriously THOUGH i wasn't.
UPSET i wasn't, like oh my, gosh how AM i
not the? Valedictorian here a grand view or one of.
THEM i think there were a few in my graduating.
Class give them that. Recognition this isn't every kid gets

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a trophy because they participate and play the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Game give that. Recognition let it. Happen astonishing.

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Listener text coming in five sixty six nine zero THE
Koa Common spirit health text. LINE i moved TO ccsd,
five so that's The Cheritorey School.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
District just for the reputation of.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Greatness my oldest is now in high school and my
youngest is in elementary. School the youngest is prevailing and
doing great because we keep ourselves busy and. Engaged, however
the school is way different than when my oldest went
to the same.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
School very, interesting AND i think that makes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Sense can you explain equity without being racist or? SEXIST
i don't know how you, can because to, me it
is all about belittling people by saying you're not good
enough to achieve, better so we're going to lower the
standards to your. Level how is that not, racist especially

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when we're focused on black and brown students in this.
Way it just.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
It's.

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Astonishing another Text diana to get was the, valedictorian her
salutatorian WHEN i.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Graduated so much for.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
That, okay, well look she's managed to stay in office
for a very, very very very long.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
TIME i don't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Know she's not a dumb, woman she's really. Smart she's
just completely. Wrong BUT i get your. Point so, wait
when my high school grad tries to get into, college
he won't have the ability to add that to his
resume while other kids get the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Chance, yes that is exactly. Right you want to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Have sure colleges aren't taking valedictorian in the same way
that they were. Before but especially when you're going to
a really good, school you want to have those kinds
of recognitions on your academic resume if you have the,
OPPORTUNITY i.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Mean no.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Brainer But Cherry greek schools denying, that and it is deeply.
Tragic but it's a symbol of the times that we
are now in where Mediocrity trump's. Meritocracy we're swapping merit for,

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equity and equity isn't really what you think it should.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Be just it's really, sad really really.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
IS i, Mean i'm a product, of LIKE i, Said
Cherry Creek school district and, this this is not what
it should be by any stretch of the. Imagination and
the performance in that district is, terrible not recovering from the.
PANDEMIC i, mean it's just. Astonishing let's go back to
something else from, earlier The Abraham. Accords the listener texts

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IN i was under the impression that was a trade
treaty between nations that had never been at. War to call,
it to call it a peace treaty is stretching the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Truth, no absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Not these are countries that had no relations With.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Israel it wasn't just about.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Economics it was about sending a clear message to the
world and especially To, iran that there is a growing united.
Front the fact that The United Arab emirates officially signed
a deal With, israel a peace deal that acknowledged their
existence let alone said we are forming relations officially with.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
You that is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Peace and the more that The trump administration is able
to expand those peace deals with other, countries the more
security there will be for the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Region and the fact that the fact that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
The trump administration is moving ahead with this should be
something we should all be pleased.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
With and the fact That Saudi.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Arabia the big dog among the Golf arab, countries is
all good with this and is basically given the tacit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
NOD i mean that that says a. Lot that's, huge
and The trump administration in the first term pulled that.
Off it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Just a trade. Deal it's a big. Deal I'm Jimmy
seenberger filling in For Ross. Kaminski another hour up ahead
as we continue ON. Koa in For Ross kaminski today and.
Tomorrow as we move along here ON, Koa thanks for
joining in to the. Program THE Koa Commic Spirit health

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text line five six six nine, zero of.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Course and now let's go To. CALIFORNIA i don't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Mean let's travel To california right, now although that's Probably
dragon had in. MIND i, mean let's talk About california
for a. Moment because Bed bath And beyond went. Bankrupt
they closed all their stores and they're coming. Back they're
making a big. Comeback And Marcus lemonis is the new

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executive CHAIRMAN i think of the board, there and he
is host of The fixer On FOX tv And Fox.
Business and he made a big, post big statement yesterday

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when he said again this is the chairman of Bed
bath And, beyond when he announced that they will not
open any retail stores In california because of high, taxes high,
fees and forced. Unsustainable, Now Davin, newsom governor Of, california

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who really wants to Be trumpion because he wants to be.
President he he's that guy that you know wants the
job so so. Much everybody knows it and they can
just see it in everything that he, does and it's
just really really.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Annoying but That's Gavin.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Newsom and he collaps back with the tweet the company
that already went bankrupt and closed every store across the
country two years. Ago, okay, Well Marcus leminas again the
chairman of the board for Bed bath And. Beyond that's
An american, company well.

Speaker 13 (01:07:37):
Known that that you know is you want to have
companies come, back if they can be, better bigger than,
before give.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Them a little bit of a.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Chance, besides oh, gosh What's Will ferrell's character's? Name an
old school he needs to go to remember that. Line,
well maybe we'll go go to Bed bath And beyond
if we have.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Time you, know he needs to go back To bedpath And.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Beyond, anyway needless to, Say Marcus lemonists tweets back At Governor.
Newsom Dear Governor Gavin, NEWSOM i thought your posts would
suggest we bring business leaders together to understand how to
improve the four pillars slash friction of business and find
a way to make it. Better one streamline regulation consistent

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simplified compliance rules across state and local. Levels two a
balanced labor environment that's good for employees and. Employers three litigation,
reform reducing abusive lawsuits while keeping protection for. Workers four
competitive tax and cost structure incentives to come as opposed

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to disincentives to leave those four pillar.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Seem eminently reasonable to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Me, also we bought the ip over two years ago
and have built Bedbathom beyond Dot com into a billion
dollar online. Business we will target opening three hundred small
to mid sized neighborhood stores through Our kirklands. Investment you're
a smart, man AND i know the post below is

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just out of. Frustration he is right to make very
Clear california is not the state we want To in, Fact.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
In And Out burgers is moving their.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Headquarters From california To, tennessee WHERE i don't even think
they are prepared to make, burgers you, know BECAUSE i
got to have their fresh. Warehouse they don't have one
of the fresh warehouses or.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Whatever it is near, there and they're moving their.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Headquarters From, california citing the same exact reasons That Marcus
lemonis is explaining as the driving force behind why bed bath.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
And beyond will not set.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Any set up any shops of their new business model
and how they're approaching things In. California now here's what
he said On fox.

Speaker 14 (01:10:19):
Yesterday, WELL i think the thing that was really surprising
to me is THAT i tried to articulate in a
non aggressive way exactly why our company wasn't going to
reinvest capital In.

Speaker 7 (01:10:28):
California and WHAT.

Speaker 14 (01:10:29):
I found out this afternoon is That Governor knewsom has
enough time to respond to a tweet as opposed to
a PRIVATE dm or having somebody you reach out to
remind everybody In america that in twenty twenty, three before
we bought the intellectual, property that the company went out of.
Business we all know the Bed bath went out of
business a few years.

Speaker 7 (01:10:46):
Ago now we're trying to make a.

Speaker 14 (01:10:48):
Comeback AND i would think that a governor would want
to attract, investment attract capital into the.

Speaker 7 (01:10:53):
State in, fact he did the. Opposite he rejected.

Speaker 14 (01:10:56):
It it's a very simple model for me as a capitalist.
MYSELF i want to do business in all fifty, states
AND i want to do business with all people of
all political.

Speaker 7 (01:11:05):
Parties that's part of being a.

Speaker 14 (01:11:07):
Capitalist but WHAT i don't want to do is put my,
shareholders my, employees and myself in a situation were were
regulated to a, zero and we don't want to spend
one hundred million dollars coming Into california and then find
out that the state's going to.

Speaker 7 (01:11:20):
Take it all and waste it all.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
EXACTLY i, mean is there anything that is not common,
sense completely and utterly common sense in that? Statement But
gavin knew some got all. Offended he got butt hurt
because little Bed bath And beyond trying to make a,
comeback would have the audacity to say we're staying out Of.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
California how dare?

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
They So i'm going to clap back and just talk
about how they were bankrupt two years.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Ago clearly there's a new, direction something's.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Happening more power to, them go get Them Bed bath And.
Beyond we got to hear you referenced in more.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
MOVIES i don't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Know the world that we're in is just a pretty
pretty crazy. One and actually the Way Gavin newsom has been, acting,
well let's go TO msnbc while it's still CALLED msnbc
before it becomes MS. Now IF i were, Them i'd
say msnow it flows a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Better but the whole name is just. Stupid more on
that in a.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Moment but this Is Joe scarborough talking About dems And
newsome and how embarrassing they are.

Speaker 15 (01:12:35):
And willie you can see The democrats are trying to
find their footing and it's quite. Embarrassing, ACTUALLY i Mean Gavin,
NEWSOME i, mean have you've seen what he's doing online and,
say just take a deep, breath don't don't try to
turn this ship one hundred and eighty degrees and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
One they don't know what to.

Speaker 15 (01:12:55):
DO i have a good idea instead of trying, to
like School Donald, trump talk into the camera about. Affordability
talk about making groceries like more more. Affordable talk about
what you're going to do for, Housing talk about what
you're going to do for energy prices that continue to go.

(01:13:17):
Up we heard The congress from yesterday talk about energy
prices skyrocketing And New, jersey you, know don't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Try, yeah how.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
About you talk about how you're going to bring businesses
like Bed beth and beyond To. California what do you
want to do to make it a pro business environment
or at least.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
An environment that is accepting to. Businesses just.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
YEAH i watched a segment Of Morning joe talking about
the new, name and they were just clamoring to, like praise,
it nact like because it means my source.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
For, news opinion and the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
World ms now the new name FOR msnbc because they're
santy or whatever the name, is is spinning off From,
comcast and you've GOT, msnbc you've GOT, cnbc you've GOT,
usa you've got THE Usa.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Network you've got e those are all part of this new.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Company AND cnbc is keeping their, name by the, Way
they're just going to change their, logo but they're not
no longer going to have any affiliation WITH. Nbc and
so it was striking to watch them have this, conversation
especially when they were, like, oh did you know that
THE ms AND msnbc was originally meant For microsoft because
it was a combination Of microsoft AND. Nbc, well guess, what,

(01:14:46):
guys they're keeping THE ms part of the, name.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Whether that Was microsoft before or. Not it's THE ms
part of the, name not THE nbc. Part that is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
STAGE i don't. KNOW i think the logo is even.
Worse it is a, lame lame. LOGO i don't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Know we'll see what.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Happens we'll see how they fare AT ms now ONCE
msnbc IS. Shd I'm Jimmy Sangenberger philly in For Ross.
Kaminski more up ahead as we continue right here On
gayaway on This.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Thursday Better once you're a step, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
In d you had better do. So we have some sad, news,
though breaking in the past couple of. Hours Doctor James,
dobson founder Of focus on The family down In Colorada
springs and former advisor to FIVE us, presidents has died
at the age of eighty. Nine this From foxnews Dot. Com,

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dobson a psychologist widely regarded as one of the most
Influential christian leaders of the past half, century certainly especially
here In, colorado passed Away thursday. Morning The Doctor James
Dobson Family institute.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Announced he became a.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Force in the nineteen eighties for pushing Conservative christian ideals
In american, politics alongside fundamentalist giants Like Jerry folwell And Pat.
Robertson Doctor dobson was a, pioneer a man of deep
conviction whose voice shaped the way generations view, faith, family and,
culture Said Gary, Bauer senior vice president of Public policy

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at the jd F. I dobson was born In, Shreveport,
louisiana in nineteen thirty, six and went on to dedicate
his life to strengthening, marriages guiding, parents and defending biblical
values by championing the central role of family In. America
he Founded focused on The family In, Arcadia, california in

(01:16:49):
nineteen seventy, seven and grew it into one of the
largest evangelical ministries in the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
World of, course as we well know here In.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Colorado it relocated To Colorado springs in nineteen ninety, one
still its headquarters, today and at its peak Under dobson's,
leadership The focus on The family daily radio program was
carried on more than four thousand stations Across North. America
the broadcasts were also translated into twenty seven languages and
distributed in over one hundred and sixty. Countries, NOW i

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never interviewed Doctor, dobson BUT i did have the occasion
to meet him a few times back when he would
be a featured speaker in the earlier days of The
Western Conservative summit put on by The Centennial institute At
Colorado Christian. University he always was a powerful speaker at that,

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conference as you would, imagine and has struck me as
a not just deeply faithful man that's a, given but
as a very good. Man you might not have always
agreed with, him but he was very heartfelt and sincere
and always driving towards what he knew in his heart
to be the greater good and certainly focus on the,

(01:18:03):
family a significant institution down In Colorada springs and Doctor James,
dobson one of the most Influential Christian conservatives in the movement.
Altogether may he rest in, Peace Doctor James. Dobson that's the.
Way at the age of eighty, Nine I'm Jimmy sangenberger

(01:18:28):
filling in For Ross. Kiminski one more nice long segment
on the other, side and we'll tease what we've got
coming up. Tomorrow some fun stuff in store as we move.
Along Jimmy sangenberger filling in For Ros kominsky ON Koa
you gotta love, him and we do a couple of
tunes That charlie Mussel white has done in The Jimmy

(01:18:48):
Junior Blues, band WHICH i would be remiss dragon IF
i didn't do a plug here ON koah please. Do
we've got Some Labor day gigs coming, up and by,
GIGS i Mean, Saturday sunday And.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Monday holy, crap it is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Exciting starting On saturday And, sunday both days we will
be appearing up In oravada At Saint Elias church where
they're having their fifteenth Annual Mediterranean Food. Festival we will
perform The Jimmy Junior Blues band from four to six
pm On, Saturday august thirtieth and three to five pm On,

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Sunday august thirty First facebook dot, com Slash Jimmy Junior
music Or Jimmy Junior music dot com for more. Details
but we will be again At Saint Elias church and
Their Mediterranean. Festival they are A Greek orthodox church and
we're very excited to be playing there both those days
and then all that weekend at The Genesee pub And

(01:19:54):
barbecue will be a blues festival that they have every
year of local blues, bands and we will be headlining On,
Monday Labor day from three to six.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Pm we had.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Gosh at least a dozen kaway listeners that came out
to our first gig At genesee last month beautiful and
that was.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Beautiful it was so.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
EXCITING i love when we have listeners dragon come to,
events especially come to, gigs because it's so great to
meet you and have a good time and chat and
enjoy each.

Speaker 8 (01:20:30):
Other i'm not sure if this text message is meant and,
hate But i'm gonna take it as fun and. Sarcasm
that's like being the greatest triangle or tambourinan players.

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THAT i am. Offended that is not true at.

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All harmonica is next level the triangle and the tambourine
ain't got nothing remotely close to the. Harmonica, dragon these
are fighting words right, Now, BROTHER i don't. KNOW i

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don't think you can do that on the triangle of the.
TAMBOURINE i mean no offense to anybody who's an, avid
exceptional triangle or tambourine.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
PLAYER i just don't think that there's a.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Comparison AND i think you're gonna enjoy The Jimmy Junior
Blues band just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
MORE i don't, Know, dragon what do you. Think, well
if you can do that on, Triangle i'll you twenty
bucks right.

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Now, yeah send a video TAG koa and tag me ON.
X i'm at saying center saying with AN, e not
a center ON x Formerly TWITTER Koa colorado Is koa's on,
there and you, know show off your triangle skills or

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your tambourine, skills mister tambourine.

Speaker 8 (01:22:11):
Man now outside OF, koa when you're filling in and
outside of those shows Where CAN i find me Some Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
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So Jimmy sangenburger Dot com one stop shop for all
things from yours, trully including my latest columns for The
Denver gazette that come out On tuesdays And fridays at
least usually those are.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
The days that they come.

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Out one more Time Jimmy Junior Blues band At Saint
Elias Church saturday And, sunday two hours both of those
days On Labor day, weekend and Then Genesee pub And,
barbecue which is a really cool place In golden And Golden,
genesee that kind of intersection area On Labor day from
three to six pm and.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Tomorrow SO i was just. Dragging this was a.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
Blast On, SUNDAY i was at The Colorado Country Music
hall Of Fame's award festival that happened at The Wild Goose,
saloon which is a really cool. Place it's a big
venue and you'd love. It they have these massive murals
of different. Musicians so there's a massive painting Of stevie Ray,

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vaughn Of Willie, nelson Van hetty Van, halen OF Bb
king on.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
The walls of this.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Venue it's really cool and it was packed throughout the.
Day over five hundred people were, there from artists that
were recognized and onto musicians that were, performing which well
they basically were, recognized and, patrons you, know people who were,
fans so on and so. Forth a great, Event Colorado
Country Music hall Of. FAME i covered it for The

(01:24:08):
Denver gazette. YESTERDAY i had an article Published Denver gazette dot.
Com go under the entertainment section into music and you'll
enjoy reading.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
That really.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Cool the talent here for country music is absolutely. Phenomenal
i've had the opportunity to sit in with some of
these musicians too on.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Harmonica it's an absolute.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Blast tomorrow we will have in studio the twenty twenty
Five Male entertainer of The.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Year technically there was a. Tie there were.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Two Don carlton and our guest coming in, Studio Matt
wheatley of The Hill Billy, demons WHICH i think you
can kind of say they kind of. Meet it's kind
of like it's heavy metal meats. Country and they're really
cool And Danny ramirez is their lead, guitarist and they'll
be joining us live in studio tomorrow eleven thirty and

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we will have a, jam we will have a little
bit of. Conversation it will be a. Blast these guys are.
Fantastic their band is. Tremendous they actually just played four
days At One Eyed jack's At sturgis over The Sturgis Motorcycle,
rally and that's pretty. Cool AND i think they fit
fit in like a. Glove there is my. Feeling but they,

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also by the, Way we're twenty twenty four Is band
of The year for The Colorado Country Music hall Of
fame last. Year they always bring a fantastic. Crowd there
are a ton of people who are fans of The
Hillbilly demons that were at the festival On, sunday and
just the talent there really. Is i'll talk about it
more tomorrow and some of the other, winners but the

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talent there is. Tremendous so we've got some fun stuff coming,
up don't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
We And we're right here ON. Koa this is the
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we talked ABOUT msnbc.

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In their new name ms now.

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My source for, news opinion and the WORLD i. Love
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Station i'm surprised THAT cnbc didn't change their name To Mister.
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name just they're changing the. LOGO i don't.

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Know this whole thing is absolutely bonkers to. Me the
way that they're going about this rebranding is pretty darn,
nuts you know.

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What it's also. Nuts Hillary.

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Clinton So hillary is back out there doing interviews for some.
Reason of, course she And bill have vin subpoenaed by
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she was ON i don't remember what program this was
or podcast or whatever it, was but she was talking

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about THE Us Supreme court and her expectations on, something
AND i think it's worth talking about for a.

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Speaker 16 (01:28:16):
This american voters and to some, extent The american, media
don't understand how many years The republicans have been working
in order to get us to this. Point it took
fifty years to Overturn roe. V, wade The Supreme court
will hear a case about gay. Marriage my prediction is
they will do to gay marriage what they did to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Abortion they will send it back to The.

Speaker 16 (01:28:40):
States anybody in a committed relationship out there in THE lgbtq,
community you ought to consider getting married BECAUSE i don't
think they'll undo existing, marriages BUT i fear that they
will undo the national right and so fewer than half
the states will recognize gay.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Marriage couple of thoughts that come to mind first on
the gay marriage.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
Piece, LOOK i was wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
About THE Us Supreme court in Overturning roe Versus. WAY
i publicly had SAID i don't see that. HAPPENING i
think they'll scale it, Back they'll make some, changes BUT
i don't think they will outright overturn.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
It but they did overturn. It but here's the.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
Thing that is a project that has been in the
works for decades on the right true, true it's something
that has was wrongly decided In roe Versus way on
the merits of the law of The constitution and the.
Reasoning in, fact Even ruth Bader, ginsburg the Late ruth Bader,
ginsburg even was very critical of the. THINKING i remember

(01:29:48):
interviewing the Late Judge Ken, starr of, course most notable
for his work during The whitewater investigation and for being
the special counsel or independent council rather who looked into
and brought the case Against Bill. Clinton he was a wonderful,
man became a dear, friend AND i interviewed him many,
occasions AND i remember him talking about that and How

(01:30:09):
Ruth Bader ginsburg really thought that there was much better
reasoning in her mind for justifying abortion in The, constitution
and didn't really think that roe Versus wade was strongly
decided in terms of the approach that The Supreme court
had taken in nineteen seventy, three.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
But regardless it was.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
OVERTURNED i, VIEW i don't think the same thing will
happen With obergerfeld The Supreme court's case on gay, merit
BECAUSE i don't think it has the same kind of.
Gravitas is a case on the left to really go,

(01:30:51):
after rather on the right as a case to go.
After not that nearly as many conservatives these days really.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
CARE i.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
Don't Most republicans, CAN'T i, know have just accepted gay
marriages is the law of the. Land it's the way it,
is and they're, like, okay, Fine my church maybe doesn't
view it that, way but it's. Okay i've got friends
who are gay and, married And i'm all fine with
them doing what they're, doing living their life and being.

(01:31:21):
HAPPY a dear friend of mine got married a couple
of years. Ago i'm very happy for. Him AND i
don't think that you Have republicans across the. COUNTRY i
mean you, do but not in the large numbers or.
Percentages Most republicans are, like we don't care about. This
the thing we don't want is kids being introduced to

(01:31:41):
all types of sexualized content in schools or to you,
know pushed into questioning their gender and so. Forth and that's,
something by the, way that people who are, gay, straight
or bisexual can all agree on is they don't want
those kinds of things in. Schools that's why you have

(01:32:04):
on the, right you have groups Like gays Against groomers
that are very concerned about things happening in schools and
very vocal about. It you don't Have republicans who are
all over the country, saying let's get rid of this.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Precedent was it wrongly?

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
Decided probably in terms of it should be A states rights, Issue, fine,
okay but that doesn't mean that the effort is going
to be there to really push this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Home.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
NOW i could be, mistaken BUT i think we've reached
a point in society where people have just accepted this
and are okay with it and aren't going to push
back and, fight even if They're, republicans unlike, abortion which
is a very very different kind of issue that needs

(01:32:50):
to be handled much, differently and it really has that
spirit among THE gop base that is very strong on that,
issue and it was for decades something they wanted to
overturn it. HAPPENED i don't see that happening in this,
case AND i don't think it should that you should

(01:33:14):
go ahead and just rock the boat on. This SO
i could be mistaken. AGAIN i was wrong about The
row Versus, wade BUT i really do think that this
is a very different kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Situation and even, then.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
As a, listener techs in abortion has not been made,
illegal THOUGH i keep hearing, that, yeah in some states
it's severely, limited but most of the country still is
what it. Is SO i just don't think we're going
to go, here AND i think it's scare mongering From
Hillary clinton and The. Democrats it's not something That republicans care.

(01:33:57):
ABOUT i wrote a column about this a few years, ago,
saying The republicans have moved on from the gay marriage,
issue especially In, colorado AND i don't think that's changing
except in you, know maybe some southern states or.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Something but we'll see what.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
Happens got a great bumper, suggestion by the, way, dragon.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Let's hear Some John mayol room to.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
MOVE i mean that harmonica there that he does is. Fantastic,
maybe just Maybe i'll try and, remember maybe we'll play
that tomorrow among the bumper allotments When i'm back here
once again filling in For Ross. Kaminski one more thing
That Hillary clinton said. Yesterday there are.

Speaker 16 (01:34:38):
Going to be real world, consequences but a lot of
them are not likely to kit with the velocity and
intensity until after the twenty twenty sixth. Election so they're
trying to set it up so that they can win
that election and then dump all of this other bad
news on The american. People and they're doing state capture of,

(01:35:01):
capitalism state capture of. Institutions the courts are doing their,
best but you know it's. Slow and The Supreme court
Gave trump a big victory when they, said no nationwide
injunctions to stop allegedly illegal, activity you have to go
district by, district circuit by.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
CIRCUIT a nationwide injunctions was completely properly decided ruling by
THE Us Supreme, Court and if you actually look into,
that it's exactly as it should.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
Be and guess What Hillary clinton knows full.

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
Well there are other, methods such as class action lawsuits
that can be done to stop a measure That trump
has taken in its. Tracks it's not like that was
the only. Option oh my, Gosh now he's going to
be able to just run rough shot over everything else
and all the restrictions of The constitution In, congress and

(01:35:54):
we're not going to be able to stop any of.
It there are ways to do that beyond and act nationwide,
injunction and. Good there are some things that he's done
that are completely wrong that need to be struck down
by the, courts including his trade.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
War it is flagrantly.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
Unconstitutional that is the purview of The congress without a,
doubt and The president can't even be delegated By congress
that level of authority that he's taken upon, himself even
If congress says all we gave it to, him that's
not allowed under The constitution under what's called the non delegation.
Doctrine but now here at the end of the, Show

(01:36:30):
i'm getting really technical into legal, ease AND i think
it's time to wrap up and wind. Down tomorrow we
will have great. Program we'll also check in With danielle
D Martino, booth Former fed official who has great insights
in the. Economy we can talk about what's happening with
The Federal reserve And President trump and so. Forth lots
to dive into, tomorrow and once, again be sure to

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Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Eay have a great. DAY i will be back in.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
Tomorrow Mandy connell's up next as we rock and roll ON.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Koa May god Bless. America