08-22-25 - *FULL SHOW* Jimmy Sengenberger Filling In For Ross

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Filling in once again for Ross Kiminski on this Friday,
the twenty second, and it is a pleasure and a
privilege to be with you so much to talk about,
dive into and discuss. I guess those are all synonyms.

(00:20):
I'm saying the same thing over and over again. But
I'm excited to be here. So why not five six
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line if you want to join into the festivities. The
Colorado Legislature is moving apace with the so called special session,
and I say so called special session, emphasizing so called

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because it's not special. There's nothing special about this. It's
the chickens coming home to roost when it comes to
the fiscal issues. And of course Democrats are in the
position of power here, meaning they're the ones to decide
the fate of the state when it comes to financial woes.

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That is to say, Colorado eight hundred million dollars in
the hole, apparently out of a by the way, forty
four billion dollar budget which has just been growing and
growing and growing.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
You know, just a few years ago we had a three.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Point six billion dollars surplus, and now because the so
called big, beautiful Bill reduced the tax burden on the
American people, and the state tax system means that our
sets it up so that our income is calculated based

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on federal income and what the Feds consider to be
taxable and so forth, and then we use that information
for our state tax data. Apparently that's not very common
that they do that, but it does sort of simplify our.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Lives when tax day comes along.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Nevertheless, what this means is that the state is going
to bring in less money because of overtime pay and
tips for example, not being taxed, and other tax reductions,
and so the projection is eight million dollars of a shortfall. Meanwhile,

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you have financial woes over at City Hall in Denver,
where one hundred and seventy one positions have been cut,
that is to say, layoffs of one hundred and seventy
one people plus nearly seven hundred nearly seven hundred vacant
positions being canceled by Mayor Mike Johnston. Now I write

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about all of this in today's column for the Denver Gazette, where,
of course, are right twice weekly generally Tuesdays and Fridays,
facing a fiscal mess of their own making, and Let's
be real about something that's very very clear from the
state legislature to Denver's City council.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
They've kicked the.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Can down the road year after year, never ever cleaning
up the budget messes that they create. Sure they'll stay
within the requirement of a balanced budget, but they'll push
the envelope and they'll get themselves in a position like
now where it's, oh, crap, we got to figure out

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how to cut the expenses a little bit, or what
changes or tweaks to make so we can address the shortfalls,
and now the bill is coming do And let's be
clear about something else too, that they are long overdue
for a fiscal reckoning, whether that's under the Golden Dome

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or in city Hall, and a nice reality slap in
the face. To be honest, I am playing the world's
smallest harmonica right now for the legislators and council members who.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Are like, oh my gosh, what are we doing here?
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Because you guys are responsible for putting us in this position. Yes,
Colorado faces an eight hundred million dollars shortfall, as we mentioned,
on a forty four billion dollar budget because state tax
collections are tied to federal adjusted Grossenka Congress cuts taxes,

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Colorado takes in less, and as I mentioned, we're apparently
one of only a few states that have the so
called rolling conformity system. Following federal rules for deductions, exemptions, exclusions,
tax breaks on tips in overtime means the Colorado's income shrinks.

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But guess what, taxpayers are keeping more of their money now.
I question the fairness of some of this in the
way that it's implemented. I mean, when you decide, and
I know I've seen and heard Ross talk about this too,
when you decide to exempt taxes on a certain kind

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of income, so tipped income, what about say a manager
at a restaurant that doesn't get tips they work at
the restaurant, they may if you're at a high end restaurant,
think of your favorite steakhouse.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
A lot of.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Times a waiter or waitress will make more money than
most of the managers there because of tips, and the
tips are higher because.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
The meals cost much more.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
So I'm not a big fan of this, let's exempt
certain kinds of income or what have you from taxation.
I'm much more of we want to have a broad
tax base and we want to reduce taxes or lower
the rates on everybody across the board. That's the more
traditional conservative approach anyway to these things, and I think

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it's the right one. But having said that, to me,
it's still particularly looking at the state and oh my gosh,
the hair on fire. We're not getting money because people
are getting to keep more of their money.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I'm like, okay, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
I don't feel bad for you, state, because people should
get to keep more of their money and the tax
burden should be lesser at all levels. And quite frankly,
the fact that we're even in this pick all says
it all. Because this is a state government that has
been irresponsible. Taxpayers will now get to keep more of

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our own money instead of sending it to the state government.
A state government that has been proven irresponsible at every turn.
They didn't put the windfall of three point six billion
dollars to good use. Instead, police and the legislature squandered it.
They didn't ask how they could handle it responsibly, but

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how they could spend more.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
That was the question they asked each other.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
So they're crying crisis because the coffers are thinner. And look,
I mean when it comes to the legislature, their priorities
really are out of whack.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
So we want our roads to.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Be funded, right, That's the main method of transportation for
most Colorados. We get in our car, we go on
the road. Maybe we'll take it over go on the road.
But lawmakers keep inventing new transportation fees on everything from
deliveries door dash Amazon to uber rides. Also, they can

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siphon money to underutilize trends that I'm talking about light rail, buses,
so forth, and environmental mitigation.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
It's not going to roads.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
It rarely reaches the pavement, which in some parts of
the state in particular, that can drain economic activity.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I seventy shuts down.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Estimates show it costs, according to c DOT, two million
dollars for surrounding communities and businesses that depend on available
highway access. Thankfully, there'll be some ballot measures to address this.
I'm gonna be writing about that soon. But the legislators
are just proven why time and time again, why we

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have tabor in the first place. We want to restrain
the size, scope and growth of government and the amount
of money that they get so that they're more fiscally
responsible and they weren't. And now again the chickens are
coming home to roost. Similarly in the city of Denver,
and I got to run to a break, but I'll
say this, Johnston is trying to deflect some of the

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blame for two hundred million dollars shortfall expected next year,
fifty million dollar revenue gap this year.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
He's blamed a little bit of Trump and.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Declining revenues, but he has admitted the real problem. Quote
significant growth in the cost of city government over the
past decade, which he's called unsustainable.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
And he's right about that.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
In just twelve years the size of city government is
nearly doubled. Expenses up eighty three percent against seventy five
percent revenue growth.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
So that means you have a spending.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Gap of eight percent, more spending than revenue coming in.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
That is not sustainable.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
And now again at the city level, two, the chickens
are coming home to roost. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger just getting
started filling in for Roskovinski.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Keep it right here.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
And next week, specifically Wednesday, is the thirty thirty fifth
anniversary of the death of Stevie Rayvaughan, who died on
August twenty seventh, nineteen ninety and I was twenty five

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days old. So I'm at a point where, because I
just turned thirty five this month, I'm at a point
where I'm the age that Stevie ray Vaughn was when
he died way too early in a helicopter crash in
Alpine Valley after playing a remarkable show that included the

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likes of Eric Clapton and Robert Cray and Jimmy Vaughan
and Buddy Guy.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
I'll talk more about this later, And it's amazing to
think that.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
It's been so long and we are now at a
point how many years since he died. That's the age
he was when he passed away.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
It was.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
It was a remarkable, remarkable guitarist, and we are honoring
him with most of the Bumper selections today. And I've
got more to share about Steve Rayvaughn coming up later
on in the program. But truly truly one of those
guitar greats, one of the most legendary best guitarists ever

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to grace this planet. Five six six nine zero Kowa
common Spirit health text line part of why I had him.
Stevie's version of tax Man originally by the Beatles. Is
not just because of my view it's the far superior
version of the song.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
No offense to Beatles fans, but.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Because the Democrats at the legislature and in the state
and the Feds, they're always wanting more tax money. They
want to keep taxing you more. They have this presumption
that the tax dollars belong to them, and that's the
mindset and the mentality that.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
They bring.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
To this whole thing down at the legislature as they
address an eight hundred million dollars shortfall. Text coming in
question is the Feds. If the Feds cut taxes and
the state keeps taxes the same, wouldn't the residents of

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Colorado or any other state be putting more money into
the community.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
And local businesses.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
So isn't the state trying to increase taxes locally just
by taking money away from the community and local businesses.
Maybe I'm not quite sure that I follow the line
of thinking there, unless you're talking about sales taxes, but
I would say that yes, in effect, when the federal

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government reduces the tax burden, and then that applies to
the state tax burden, and that means people have more
money to spend in their community and their local businesses.
Businesses have more money that they can spend on, investing
on employees, on new things in their office, what have you.
It's remarkable what a little more money can do for business,

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especially a small business. And the gripe is, well, they've
got more money, but they get to spend that money
that you're at least part of what you're pointing out
in the community and to reinvest it in their businesses
and so forth, and that will create greater economic opportunity
and prosperity, and it could result in.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Higher tax revenue in the longer run. You never know.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Certainly happened to Ronald Reagan with his tax rate cuts,
But I think with the problem fundamentally is a mentality
at the state government and the federal government.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Government. The money's theirs, No it isn't.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
It's yours, and you give it to the government for
specific purposes. And if the burden is less than all
the better. Of course, you want to be smart strategic,
and how you do that across the board of tax
cuts are superior to let's specifically target overtime pay or
tipped wages. But nevertheless, it's a good thing when people,

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generally speaking get to keep more of their money, it's
not the government's first. Just keep that in mind, Taxman.
I'm Jimmy Sangenberger in for Ross Kaminski. On the other side,
we're going to be joined by a former official at
the Dallas Federal Reserve, Danielle di Martino. Booth will break
down what's been happening at the FED, some conversational topics

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around that, should.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Your own Powell go and more.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
You don't want to miss this conversation on the other side,
Jimmy and for Ross Kayaway. As we continue today, the
Federal Reserve having their annual Jackson Hole Meeting Jackson Hole,
Wyoming and Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell, I'm reading from
CBS News spoke today and in his speech this morning,

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he highlighted twin economic risks of a slowing labor market
and rising inflation, but opened the door to rate cuts
in a widely anticipated speech at the annual Jackson Hole,
Wyoming Economic Forum. Risks to inflation are tilted to the
upside and risks to employment are to the downside, a

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challenging situation, Powell said in his speech. The FED will
proceed carefully, but the shifting balance of risks quote may
warrant adjusting our policy stance. Powell said, his remarks signaling
that the Federal Reserve is likely to cut raids at
its September seventeenth meeting, which would mark the first reduction

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since December twenty twenty four. This according to several economists
that they had said in research notes following the speech. Again,
that's from CBS News. What's going on here? What can
we take away from the speech and more? Let's dive
in with somebody who's absolutely perfect to talk with about

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this very topic. Danielle de Martino Booth is CEO and
Chief Strategist for QI Research, a research and analytics firm.
She is all over various programs on National TV. She
is the author of fed Up, an Insider's take on
Why the Federal Reserve Is Bad for America, and spent

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nine years at the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas as
advisor to then President Richard W.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Fisher. And that was right through the financial crisis.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Danielle de Martino Booth returning here on KOWA, welcome back.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Thank you for having me on this clearly clear historical
Jackson Powell said day, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
That's remarkable.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Oh yeah, I've got my words all backwards.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
I now I thought it was like Jackson slash Powell.
It all worked for me. Let's just break this down
a little bit, because he did give some indications of
concern not just about inflation, but also of the labor market.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Well, and you know what it's about, darn time. We've
got the highest unemployment rate for new entrance to the
job market about thirteen point four percent. This is according
to the Richmond Federal Reserve Research So this is internal
said analysis. That's we have the highest level of unemployment

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for new entrance to the job market since nineteen eighty
eight when the baby boomers were flooding the market. So
and there are many other signposts, record numbers of individuals
working two or more jobs, four hundred and forty thousand
full time jobs lost just in the month of July.

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So it is not just strong arming by President Trump.
At this point, it is time for Chair Powel to
serve as he as beholden to do so, not just
the inflation mandate, but to the employment mandate.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
That's remind folks, for just a moment. Danielle D.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Martino booth as to both of those mandates of the
Federal Reserve employment and inflation.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
So initially, when the Federal Reserve Act was conceived in
nineteen thirteen, it was it was only supposed to be
controlling inflation and preserving the value of the dollar. And
you know what, I actually have two very badly behave
set it right now, Bassett Hounse, who wanted to join

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into the show.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Welcome Bassot Hounds to Koa.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Absolutely, but initially we we yeah, I'm so sorry, that's
it's actually ever happened. I'm inciting Albay sock it.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
That is okay, Well, I totally understand, believe.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Me anyway, Okay, maximize, maximize the value of the dollar,
minimize inflation. In times of financial crisis, be the lender
of last resort. And during the brutal recession of the
nineteen seventies, when manufacturing really started to collapse in the
United States, the Fed was given its second mandate in

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nineteen seventy eight of also maximizing employment. There's a lot
of controversy surrounding this because most people believe that that's
the job of the private sector and it should be
left in the hands of the private sector except during
times of recession. Be that as it may. The FED
is beholden to not just minimize inflation, but also maximize employment.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
And so when we looked inield Martino Booth at what
the Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell indicated today in regards
to those concerns, do you take this to be that
there will be a rate cut next month, September seventeenth,
And if so, do you think that's the right path?

Speaker 2 (20:17):
I do.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
It's for no other reason because look between you, me
and the Wall, a quarter of a percentage point of
interest rate decreases is not going to reignite the housing market.
It's not going to make it that much easier for
people to pay down their credit card debt when they're
starting at twenty nine percent APR. But it's going to
be a signal. It's going to be a signal the

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Federal Reserve is with the people of the United States
who are jobless or who are under employed. And I
think that it is appropriate for the Fed to make
the signal because that's it's what they're committed to do.
They're committed to trying to make the strongest economy possible

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for every single working man and woman in America, and
it's time to signal that they're with them, not against them.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Well, it have to what extent would it have a
meaningful economic impact versus just being a signal. I mean,
it's the one thing, certainly to send that message, Hey,
we're trying to help you, the average worker.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
But will that have a real world.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Impact that is significant or is it sort of okay?
This is the signal will hopefully help boost things a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Well, it will certainly boost confidence. But more importantly, what
we saw that ended in December twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
As you said, what we.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Saw was highly unusual insteed of reserve history. We don't
normally have the Fed begin to lower interest rates and
then stop and pause for nine months, which is how
long it's been until this September, the seventeenth meeting. So
normally that first interest rate cut is going to be

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in response to economic weakness, and then we will see
subsequent interest rate cuts. And indeed this morning we have
now priced out through twenty twenty six, three four more
interest rate cuts. That will make a difference because the
markets tend to price forward, this is where mortgage rates

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are going to be. In fact, mortgage rates are already
down the quarter percentage point. That is anticipated that the
Fed's going to be lowering rates in three some odd
weeks time from now, because that's what markets do. They
look forward, they anticipate again.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Danielle D.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Martino Booth our guest author fed Up an insider's take
on why the Federal Reserve is bad for American and
I want to talk about the notion of the independence
of the Federal Reserve because there are some who could say,
with the more cynical eye, oh, this is more of
the Federal Reserve trying to curry favor with Trump, who

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has been pushing for rate cuts.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
And not only that, but it has.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Been at least signaling that he'd like to bring the
Federal reserves independence a little more to heal under the presidency.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
So two part question.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
One, do you think that there's any sense that this
could come to people or people's mind in the perspective
of well, no, this is more about curring favor to Trump.
And number two about the independence of the FED. Is
that important to you?

Speaker 3 (23:29):
I think the independence of the FED is absolutely critical
and that is what the Supreme Court indeed rules this
last may that that is something that cannot be impinged upon,
and most people in my world, most economists would say

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that the FED in fact waited too long to begin
lowering interest rates in order to not be seen as
cow telling to thedministration to the detriment of the real economy.
So it is I don't think that that is going
to be seen as being politically driven to help Trump,

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but rather pulling up the rear and finally doing something
that they've needed to do as far as independence goes.
Moving forward, this is when the makeup of the Federal
Reserve becomes critical. We're talking about seventeen individuals on the
Federal Open Market Committee. Every single meeting, there are twelve voters.

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So while in modern history we have become accustomed to
a very strong leader of the Fed leading policy and
being able to be one voice behind a committee, is
that independence because the President would presumably try to install
individuals who would bend to his will. If the other

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policy makers on the Federal Reserve see that independence as
being threatened, then you will not end up having a
one individual led central bank. You will end up having
what Paul Wolker have. Paul Wolker have Newtony in nineteen
eighty seven with all members of the Federal Market Committee
voting against him when the economy was in a terrible recession.

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So I think you will see much more disparity and
dissent if the President does, indeed try to quote unquote
stack the Fed.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Just a few minutes left with our guest Danielle d
Martino Booth, and I want to ask you about the
tariffs and trade issue, because of course there's a lot
of talk about that. We're just now starting to see
in some of the price datas, such as producer prices,
starting to see the impact of the tariffs hit. How
do you look at that, especially in the context of
what the FED does. I mean, it's really interesting to

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me as you see President Trump who has said, well,
the tariffs aren't going to be harmful, They're going to
be great for Americans, and also actually don't believe the
Bureau of Labor Statistics that the data is rigged. Meanwhile,
he's calling for the reduction in interest rates as we've
been talking about, which is an interesting perspective given those.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Two things I just said.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
But when it comes to the tariffs in particular, how
are you looking at their economic impact? Both in the
short term and the long term, providing that they continue
similar to how.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
They are now.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
So you know, I listen to the nation's largest employer
one point million people, Walmart, and they're in contact with
more Americans than any other entity. And so I listened
to what the CEO and the CFO had to stay
yesterday about the tariffs, and they know that their input
costs are rising, and they know that they're slowly going

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to be pushing these input costs to the customer, but
only dot dot dot to the extent that they can.
And that's why CEO doesn't and said, we're looking for
other vendors. We're looking for other ways to get supplies
that are going to be more economical because middle and
lower income Americans simply cannot pay the higher prices. We've

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seen them push back. Ross Stores announced yesterday that it
is growing its customer base because it's a deeper discounter
than other stores in its space. So we know that
Americans who are middle and lower income are trading down.
And Walmart also tells us that even higher income Americans
are having trouble shouldering the tariffs. They cannot they cannot

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avoid in food inflation, and that they're actually seeing upper
income Americans trade down to Walmart. So people have to
understand the tariffs are very damaging, their attacks on US corporations.
There are potential tax on US consumers. But if there's
not purchasing power, if there's not sufficient job growth, full
time job growth, you simply cannot pass these higher costs

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along to the consumer, not if they can't afford it.
As I always say, you cannot squeeze blood from a rock.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
And so what does that mean for the FED if
the tariff policies continue in this way and have a
squeezing impact on retailers and consumers alike.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Does that factor in.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
As much of a consideration, Because of course their goal
is inflation, which isn't technically with teriffs.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
But there is an interconnection.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
If you look at inflation from the lens of higher
prices for people.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
There is, but it's not higher until it's higher prices
for people. Again, Walmart told you that in the second
quarter prices rose at their source by one percent. That's
half the fed's target. So until again there is passed through,
the FED has a much bigger problem on its hand.
If we're talking about a widespread margin squeeze with companies

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having to absorb these higher costs but not be able
to pass them along, and that means that if companies
are making less in the way of profits, they're going
to have to fire more employees and that becomes its
own adverse feedback loop that feeds off of itself as
a factor of time and ends up diminishing purchasing power

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even more as the unemployment rate rises, which is exactly
what Ja Powell warned is the risk this morning at
Jackson Hole.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
And finally, Danielle G.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Martino Booth, how do you think investors are looking at
the current situation? What is on top of mind or
what are they watching for as decisions are made in
the coming months.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
So I think investors are They're almost manic at this point.
You see these massive swings in the market that especially
makes retirees nervous, so to the extent that retirees interest
income is going to start declining as the seed starts
reducing interest rates. I think investors should be very attuned

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and attentive to how that might or might not affect
the people over the age of seventy n It's you
own forty of the stock market, so We're gonna have
to be very very careful moving forward because in two
thousand and one and two thousand and seven, these same
individuals were able to rejoin the workforce. Simply not the
case today.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Danielle D.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Martino, Booth, CEO and chief strategist for QI Research. Always
great to get your insights. Thanks so much for joining
us again.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
On KOA, and thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
It is interesting, isn't it, hearing the breakdown and kind
of the understanding and layout of the land in this
moment because you have a labor market that is a
bit diceier. I mean, remember that Trump just in the
last number of weeks was very upset about the now

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former head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics and data
that was put out regarding the labor market, and when
that data wasn't so good, the impression was.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
This is rigged. But we are seeing.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Indications that know this is actually an underlying problem. And
she made a very important point that I think is
worth underscoring that with the teriffs that are happening causing
prices to rise, or retailers and producers to eat those costs,
but the problem is they will eat the costs as

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much as they can, and at a certain point one
of two things needs to happen, or both to an extent.
They pass prices onto consumers. We've seen a little bit
of that.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Or they cut.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Jobs because they have to make the bottom line work.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
And so.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
The Trump administration is creating a problem of its own,
of its own by having these terrors in place, making
such a big deal out of them, driving them home,
giving no indications that they're actually going to go away
in any permanent way, squeezing businesses, and then that's going

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to just exacerbate affordability, and the job market was And
despite insisting that the tariffs are good for Americans and
America and won't hurt people, and that the.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Job market isn't so bad or is not so bad.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
It's not that the job market's bad, but isn't weaker,
Trump is at the same time insisting on cutting rates
as though that's going to be some saving grace for
the economy. Now, yes, Danielle de Martino Booth making the case, yes,
it makes sense to do those rate cuts, go ahead
and do it, But Trump is sort of looking at

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it as a saving grace in a way that belies
his position I mean he says that these things of
tariffs and the job market don't aren't issues of concern,
But aren't they isn't his position on rate cuts sort
of giving that signal? And again for Trump fans listening,

(33:25):
I voted for the guy all three times, but you
know what he's wrong on this when it comes to
the trade war and tariffs, and the impact is going
to be real in a way that he's not going
to be happy with, and there could be some point
where he's not gonna be able to just say, oh,
don't see nothing to see here with the data or

(33:45):
this or that, because it's going to be obvious right
the ship before we get to that point.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
The common sense thing to.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Do five six six nine zero is the KOA Common
Speer Health text line.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Two more hours up ahead.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
I'm Jimmy sangen Berger filling in for Ross Kaminsky on KOA.
Jimmy sanging Berger in for Ras Kiminski. Dragon now behind
the glass and look we were talking economic stuff. Listener
text in KOA Common Spirit Health text line. I feel
like I'm back in the nineteen eighties when listening to Jimmy,
I was never alive a day in the nineteen eighties.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
So I don't know how to take that. Is it
a good thing? Is it a bad thing?

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I'm really clueless, dragon, because again, I was born I
was born in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
I don't know what the eighties were like. Crazy filled
with color. Yeah, it's crazy, it filled with color. Oh,
there you go. I mean that's that's about all you
can say. Yes, was it? Okay?

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Okay, I'm never really I don't know big hair. Yes,
Oh of course, of course.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
That I know. I've seen eighties movies. I'll tell you that.
But I just don't know what life was like actually
living in the nineteen eighties. But I digress. Good to
be with you here on the program and Look the Media.
Yesterday we talked a little bit about MSNBC.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Akams Now, miss Now, Yeah, I forget about mister Now.
Mister Now is very disappointed because he has been excluded
and he's feeling left out. But miss Now, my source
for news, opinion and the world, is the new name
for MSNBC wants their transition over to the new branding

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is complete.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
They've been spun off from.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
The Comcast Company, one of several TV stations and look,
I just don't think the branding's good. It's laughable. You look,
you look at the logo, or you think about miss
now the look and now all the jokes that have
been going on, and then I just love the other
Day Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough and company.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
We're all trying.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
To make it seem wonderful, like putting lipstick on the page.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Oh, this is I think this is great. What was
the movie called, Stop trying to make fetch a thing?

Speaker 1 (36:18):
That's what they're doing. That's what they're doing, and it's not.
People are just so over it. So there was already
and they just announced it and they're already like this
is ridiculous. Well, you know, there's a whole controversy going
on about Abby Philip, who is a CNN host, and

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she insulted a couple of her guests. We'll get to
that in a moment, but I want to start with
the end of the clips I have here from this
exchange on Megan Kelly's podcast with Sean Spicer. Sean Spicer,
of course, a former press secretary for President Trump. I
think his first press secretary of memory serves me right
in the first administration, and they had these comments as

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they were talking about CNN.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
M n ms now, I mean the only time that
anyone talks about CNN now, but that that is as
close to watching CNN as I come though.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
So now I've got MSNBC, and is enough of CNN?

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Is that.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
The the only the It's gonna take forever for me.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
To I bet you that by the time I get
that logo right that they will be out of business anyway.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
So that's actually you're right.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
Reason that the only reason that people talk about CNN
now is because of usually something that Scott Jennings has
actually said, So their relevance is actually pretty much tied
to Scott Jennings going on show two things One.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yes, people are still gonna is gonna roll off. That's
why I think they should make it m s n
o W. Don't say ms now ms n o W.
It's just two letters, rolls off the tongue better. But
they're not paying me the big bucks for marketing and
creating a ridiculous new name with a ridiculous logo that
looks like it's some something that they made in paint

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on windows.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Like literally, that's it.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
People will just not get it, So maybe that'll help
them maybe they'll keep calling it MSNBC even if it's
at ms NOW Again.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Msnow rose off the tongue better.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
But CNN also really particularly in terms of broader audience.
But Scott Jennings is the guy who makes anything on
CNN remotely interesting is when you have him on there.
And just one example, he was on with Abby Phillip
this week a day or two ago on the CNN

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Panel talking about the crackdown on crime in Washington, d C.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
Well, I mean, if you're suggesting we call out the
National Guard in these cities, I think that's a different
conversation than our nation's capital, the District of Columbia, which
is a federal zone. And I don't think it's theater.
I think it's working. They've arrested hundreds of people. They've
gotten a number of violent criminals off the street. Just
last night they arrested an illegal alien and a member
of MS thirteen. They've gotten a lot of illegal guns
off the street. Half half of all the non immigration

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arrests have come in DC's two most violent wards.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
There was some concern that.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
They wouldn't be looking into the places where the crime is.
That's not true. They actually have been, and so I
have to say, with the amount of progress they've made
in just these few days, if it improves a little
bit in our nation's capital, that's good for every state,
because every state has people that visit there all the time.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
I mean, you've both said they're not doing anything. The
simple fact that they are there. I didn't say a
majority of that.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
And having more eyes and ears on the streets of Washington,
d C. A place where there is crime happening all
over the city, I don't know how you could argue
that that is not.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
The use of a good use of their time.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
It's our national crime to go down.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
It is a disgrace roup.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
But this one thing on that some of the crime
that's been committed in DC is by young again, and
they don't.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
Prosecute people under twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
How dumb is that.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
It gets to the point of the root problem here.

Speaker 6 (40:05):
We have an education problem, we have a school's problem, we.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Have a community, we have a car jack We're not
going to.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Be addressed by So I agree with you.

Speaker 5 (40:14):
It's hard to run, yeah, but it's also it's also
easy to see.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
The air of your ways. In Washington, DC.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
They limit prosecutions of people under the age of twenty five?

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Who do you think?

Speaker 1 (40:22):
And now I wanted that clip to play out longer,
to have a longer.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Clip to layout.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
This is the presence that Scott Jennings brings. He gives
a different perspective. It's engaging, he's on point, he's got
his message down, he knows how to engage with the others.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
And yet Abby.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Phillip goes on this podcast and they're hosted by somebody
named Kara Schwisher and insults her guests, including Scott Jennings.

Speaker 6 (40:58):
Never bringing people on to say crazy things. Let's be
frank about that. That is never the intention. Okay, people's
decisions to say crazy things are never expected or predictable.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
However, I mean, and I know.

Speaker 6 (41:12):
That folks really dislike Scott for his views, but I
would say that, you know, there are views that you
don't like, that you think are unfounded, but that are
pretty widely shared, and I think Scott falls into that category. Now,

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there are definitely times if you watch the show, that
we have conversations where I will say to Scott and
others just stop because we're not playing whatever game it
is that you want to play in.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
This moment, she's apologizing for a regular guest to actually
get some viral moments online and get some interest from
a broader audience. Apologize, I think, for her guests while
insulting her guests. I mean, he's not the only one.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Julian Michael's also insulted.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
By Abby Phillips in this interview.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
I interview guests all the time. I've conducted thousands of interviews,
and let's be real here, you don't want to insult
the guests. It's just it seems like you don't do
that unless it's a you know, you bring on somebody
as a debate in some particular format and you have

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some follow up or what have you, like, there are
certain context, But on somebody else's show like this, to
insult your regular guests, that's just astonishing and it really
goes to show why CNN is in the tank and
Abby Phillips ratings are very terrible and that's a problem
for cable news and particularly for CNN. But we will

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have to see after now becomes a thing, will they
decline and CNN.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Rise from the ashes?

Speaker 1 (43:07):
And it's Fox CNN and ms now, Oh, will ms
NOW beat Fox? And becomes suddenly the number one most
watched cable news network in the world.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
I doubt it.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
I doubt it, but maybe, just maybe there's hope. I'm
Jimmy Sangenberger filling in for Ross Kaminski. And by the way,
I did get the less of the clarification. Take the
eighties comment as a compliment. I love the way you
paused during your time in the show. Plus the best
bumper music. Yes, indeed, more of that coming up, dragging

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on the other side of the glass Jimmy and for
Ross's Koa on a Friday here on Koa.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
And by the way, it's Friday, which means tomorrow Saturday.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Catch Saturday's Broncos Gate with Benjamin Albright and Nick Ferguson
and burned down Denver off Broadway from eleven to one
enter to win a Broncos Raiders.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Trip to Vegas.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
It's all presented by Arta Tequila, the official tequila of
the Denver Broncos. And look, go Broncos. Let's have a
great game, have some fun. Jimmy sangen Berger again in
for Ross Kaminski, and look, the world is a crazy place.

(44:31):
It's a tops turvy place.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
And what that means.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Is President Trump is going to be giving an Oval
Office address that nobody has any clue what it's about. Meanwhile,
the FBI is searching the home of former Trump advisor
and you and Ambassador.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
John Bolton.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
At his home and office into material leaked in twenty
twenty for some book. I doubt that is the centerpiece
of this Oval Office announcement.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
But in this topsy turvy world, who knows who.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Knows what Trump is going to bring to the television,
and we will carry that live here on KOA. It
is an Oval Office address, and that's a big deal.
When we're talking an unexpected speech or announcement. They're calling
it an announcement, and it's coming from the Oval Office.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
What could be going on?

Speaker 1 (45:37):
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That opportunity will be here because the moment we come
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evening the twenty third of August.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
It'll be a great concert. Keep it here.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Jimmy Sangenberger Philly in for ros Kominsky on Koway. My
favorite song of all time, Mary hal Lamb performed live
at Montro nineteen eighty five by Stevie ray Vaughn and
Double Trouble.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
I'll get to that in just a moment.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Jimmy Sangenberger in for Russ Kaminsky on Koa. And so
you know, we do have a winner of the pair
of tickets. Thank you for paying attention to the bumper music. Yeah,
obviously it wasn't Counting Crows, but it was the music.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
That's what I said.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
And we have our winner for the first pair of tickets.
In the next hour, you will have another opportunity, so
be sure to tune in at the top of the
because I think we're going to do that in the
first segment of the next hour, so that you can
win your pair of tickets to the Counting Crows. They
are performing at Fiddler's Green tomorrow night. And you know,

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there's really nothing like a live concert, whether it's at
Fiddler's at Red Rox. We have so many amazing venues
in Colorado and some great clubs and more so, have
a good time. Congratulations to the winners. Dragon will be
in touch and we'll have the next pair of tickets

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coming up here in just a bit. Now back to
Mary having a lamb. This is significant to me. We're
coming up on the thirty fifth anniversary of the death
of Stevie ray Vaughan in a helicopter crash after his
final performance at Alpine Valley in Wisconsin. It was a

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very cloudy, dreary night. The weather was terrible. You shouldn't
fly in a helicopter in that weather, but he did,
along with four others who died in the crash.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Steve rayvaugh one of the most.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Legendary greatest guitarists to ever live. In fact, I would
just go so far as to say the greatest guitarist
to ever live, but I'm not holding to it in
the same way I hold to the Almond Brothers being
the best band of all time, because guitarist is Jimmy Hendrix,
Dwayne Almon and those are just two others.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
We could spend forever track.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Prince absolutely amazing, phenomenal guitarist, and the list goes on
like this is why, That's why the Rolling Stones one
hundred Top Guitarists changes every year, although sometimes it's really
weird and they just don't get it right. But I
digress back to Stephen Rayvaugh. He died August twenty seventh,

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nineteen ninety twenty five, days after I was born and
coming home from the hospital as a newborn, my parents
had queued up in the car that very song we
just heard. Then, when my younger brother and then younger
sister were both born, same thing had a queued up
in the car, And when they were finally empty nesters

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and brought home their dog, same thing the dogs first
saw was Mary Had Little Lamb by Steve Ravan. So literally,
I kid you not, that's the first I ever heard,
and it has been my favorite song for I'll just say,
literally my entire life. I've always loved Stevie. Very sad

(49:41):
that I never got to see him in concert. My
father saw him a handful of times, including with Jeff Beck,
and got to see one of those jams.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Did you just imagine, and I.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Know some of you have seen Stevie at Red Rocks before.
Truly an incredible player. And one of the things in
the list or texted this that was so sad about
Stevie's passing.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Is that.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
He'd gotten sober, sober and straight a few years before.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
And he was just doing so well. Things were great.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Do you know in nineteen eighty eight, well technically eighty nine,
the Inaugural Ball he performed for George H. W. Bush
alongside his older brother, Jimmy Vaughan and the great late
Albert Collins. Now, the last concert that Stevie performed was
alongside the likes of Airic Clapton, Buddy Guy, Jimmy Vaughn,

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and Robert Cray at Alpine Valley.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Amazing concert.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
There's actually audio out there of them doing Sweet Home
Chicago together. It's kind of grainy, but it's amazing. The
last performance of Stevie Ray Vaughn. His influence truly remarkable.
You know, there's an interesting story too. David Bowie had
him on the Let's Dance album, and.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
That was because he had.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Seen him play at the Montro Jazz Festival in nineteen
eighty two. So nineteen eighty five is the song we
just heard maryhead of the Lamb.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
But three years before he played there and he was booted.
Stevie was literally booed.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Off the stage, well not exactly off the stage, but
booed by the crowd. And three years later he got
a Heroes welcome. But David Bowie was so impressed when
he saw him at montro he said, hey, why don't you.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Join this album?

Speaker 1 (51:49):
And so he played guitar on Let's Dance, Let's Dance album.
Then Bowie said, hey, I'd really like you to tour
with me, and Stevie said, ah, no, I really want
to focus on my solo career and what this would
be sort of pull me away from that in a
way that I don't want to do.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
And so lo and behold.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
That's when you end up with Stevie basically not getting
credit for his solo and for the music video they
had somebody else basically not live singing because it's a
guitar guitar.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Singing as Stevie.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Anyway, really interesting, interesting music story. But he was only
thirty five, my age thirty five when he died. And
to think that now we're at that point thirty five
years later. Is gives me goosebumps, gives me chills, and

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his legacy lives on, It continues, and his influence is
absolutely tremendous, the respect, the fact that he had garnered
in his short life, and he had so much more
to give. Who knows what Stevie Rayvaughn would have brought
to the world in terms of music later. Who knows

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what he would have accomplished five sixty six nine zero
o koa comics Spirit health text line. Jimmy, my brother,
was at that concert in Alpine Valley. He cried amazing guitarist.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, Jimmy. I was really upset when
SRV died. However, I'm glad he got his life together

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first instead of dying from an od like so many others.
Silver linings right, true, he got his life together and
that is.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Truly wonderful.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
There's so many great recordings of music that Stevie performed,
and there's there's in fact, there's an album and I
think we've got a taste of it later where it's
called in the Beginning, And if I remember right, bass
player at the time was Jackie Newhouse, so it was
before Tommy Shannon joined in the bass, Chris Layton was

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on the drums. It was just the power trio, and
he was so young beginning he was only goodness, I'm
trying to twenty five at the time, and it was.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
It's a really special album.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
It was broadcast live out of Austin, Texas a steamboat
eighteen seventy four April first, nineteen eighty. There we go
and I was right Jackie Newhouse original bassist. Less than
a year later, Tommy Shannon would become Stevie's bass player,
and then a few years after that, Reese Winans would

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join on the keys.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
You know what's cool too.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Chris Layton is on the drums for Kenny Wayne Shepherd's
band and Reese Winans is the keyboard player for Joe Bonamasa.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
They are still out there and.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Both of them played at this year's Montro Jazz Festival.
Joe Bonamasa was the headliner one day, Kenny Wayne Sheppard
playing just performed great shows, great shows. They're two tremendous
musicians through the best guitarist live today and heavily influenced,
especially Kenny Wayne Shepherd by Stevie Ravon. Stevie Rayvon for

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those who my heart is still my heart. For those
who are saying they don't know who Stevie Rayvon is
or was. Stevie Rayvon was one of the greatest guitar
is to ever live. Who is a blues guitarist? Did
some rock in the mix?

Speaker 7 (56:05):
Well?

Speaker 1 (56:06):
One of the most renowned blues guitarists. He was prominent
in the nineteen eighties. Died August twenty seventh, nineteen ninety
in a helicopter crash.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Who are you that says you don't know who Stevie
Rayvaughan is? Twelve? I'm sorry to be in school right now.
I'm trying to be very nice right now. How in
the world do you.

Speaker 8 (56:25):
Not know who Steve Ravon is or was? I never
heard of this band named led Zeppelin. Who Yeah, Steve nothing,
but it does almost the equivalent, right there.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Leonard skin nerd what tamed after the science teacher? By
the way, anyway, I digress from that. Steve Rayvaughan check
him out if you have. If you're not familiar with
Stevie somehow at all, or if you hardly know is,
check him out. Some of the most amazing guitar work
you will ever ever see Texas flood.

Speaker 8 (57:00):
Look at him, lie, but you may not know the
name Steve. You've heard, and you have heard.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
We're gonna hear a version of Pride and Joy in
the next hour. It's on the on the roster for bumpers.
And that is a song you will hear and you
will recognize and you will go.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Oh, that's step or Vaughn. I't realize that.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Another listener text from being in Alpine Valley. A couple
of Texters have been we're at that shell, and I
am very jealous because I was an infant at the
time and definitely could not could not have been there.
But Stevie is just he really brought something his the
power in his solos, the emotion in his voice.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
He gave it all. It was everything that he just
poured into his playing.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
And he was highly regarded by icons like BB King
and Eric Clapton, and when he would go on stage
and share the stage with guys like that, he sold
the utmost reverence and deference to them, which is the
mark to me of a great musician who recognizes those

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who came before them and will defer to them.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
And I'd be like, well, I'm the hot shot. I'm
the hot shot young guy.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
So let me get all the edulation, let me get
all the solos, let me get this and that.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
No STEVEA. Y Vaughne, anybody who knew.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
It, And I've talked with people who've spent time with Stevie.
He was humble, he was sold to the earth, and
he was incredible on that guitar. One last little story,
because this is the kind of kid I was. Fifth grade.

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We moved to Colorado here in o one January, and
in fifth grade we had the opportunity in music class
to bring a couple music samples dragon. I brought one
a Buddy Guy song early in the morning, and then.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
I brought a VHS tape.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Of Stever Ravon concert live at Austin City Limits and
my dad had and I played Texas Flood in my
fifth grade class. We watched Stevere Ravon performing on video
performing Texas Flood live. Because that's the kind of kid

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I was. My parents raised me right on music, and
I don't know what was going through the heads of
my fellow classmates as I was introducing them to Stevie,
probably for the first time they got to see them
on video, and it.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Was a powerhouse slow blues tune.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Oh the text coming in Koe comments Beard health text
line five sixty six nine zero. One of my favorite
songs is s r v's version of Little Wing. Yeah,
no lyrics, just instrumental. It is absolutely phenomenal and beautiful.
I have a good friend who grew up in Austin.
He stumbled into an empty bar with SRV playing before

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he got big.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Later through the eighties, as SRV was getting popular, he
would always see my friend in the crowd and bring
him up front or backstage. Wow, that is really cool
and amazing. Listener text Are you sure it's the gym teacher?
I thought it was a science teacher.

Speaker 8 (01:00:33):
I had heard the gym teacher, but you know, to
cover my basis whenever I said just see teacher.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Yeah, whether it was jim or science teacher, it was
a teacher. Yes, yes, exactly. Thank you for that. I
do appreciate it. And another saw Stevie at the New
Orleans Jazz Fest in nineteen eight.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it so.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Originally, of course, that was Jimmy Hendrix's tune, and then
Stevie did an instrumental version and Stevie did amazing versions.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Of Voodoo Chow, just rocking good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
I do think that Kenny Wayne Shepherd has had more
time to master that than either of those guys did.
And I've seen Kenny Wayne Sheppard do it live a
bunch of times and it is absolutely mind blowing. But
that's because he's had some more time to sort of
perfect it than Jimmy Hendrix, who was wasn't he in

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his twenties twenty he was in the twenty seventh club, Yeah,
and then Stevie dying at thirty five. I mean, and
those are two amazing to the best players. Like any
list of you know, top five is going to have
him Top ten at least is going to have those
two on that list. And Jimmy Hendricks was a massive

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influence for Steve Ravaughan. And one of the things that
I love too about.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
These pysicians, like Stevie or.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Jimmy is they really did show, as I mentioned, difference
and respect to the people who came before them. And
an example is Jimmy Hendrix had a gig Story Goes,
and he canceled his gig because he knew that buddy
guy was playing at a bar joint nearby, and so
he went to that instead to see Buddy, ended up
playing with him. There's grainy video online of this, and

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went and ended up playing with Buddy a little bit
at this club because he knew this is a guy
who is one of his big influences, who was on
the cutting edge of a lot of things, and he
wanted to see him and meet him and show some respect.
And so for that was Jimmy Hendrix, Steve Rayvaughan showing

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the same kind of difference to the likes of Buddy
Guy and others. And there's something special and powerful about
that when it comes to music or anything, when you recognize,
here are the people who influenced me, or here are
the people who made a difference to help shape this
industry to what it is, whatever that industry is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
And so when you look at Steve.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Ray Vaughan, he's not around to give that same respect directly,
but he's always there, he's present, His music lives on
and has continued influence on everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
In music. I mean not everybody, but a lot of
people music.

Speaker 8 (01:03:38):
I know we're pushing up against the break here, but
I want to pose out a question and since we've
dabbled into the Jimmy portion. Do you think that because
Jimmy played upside down do you think that makes him
a better guitarist? Or if he would have played proper
or the right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Hand side, would he be as good you mean as
a proper left handed guitarist?

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Right, because either way, I mean he was he was
left handed. Is it because of the anomaly that he was?

Speaker 8 (01:04:06):
Oh, he's learned to play on his own upside down?
Does that make him better? Is he just is hewig?

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I don't think. I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
I think that's just how we learned to make it
possible for him to play. And you know, one of
the things that is unique for him is he plays
played with his teeth, which, by the way, I've seen
Christone kingfish Ingram who's been a guest on Koway with
me before, and I saw him he it was U
Blues from the Top in winter Park back in June.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
He plays a little bit with his teeth, but not
like Kendrick.

Speaker 8 (01:04:36):
So it's not the novelty. It is purely talent. It
is both.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
I don't I think if you're in the middle of
a solo and you go to playing with your teeth
and you can do it sound good. There's something there.
Stevie would play behind his back. I don't think he
did teeth, but he would play and he would do
amazing stuff behind his back that would just be absolutely
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Multiple minutes behind his back. It was amazing. Now, in
the case of Hendricks, I do think part of it
had to do with the drugs. But you know, there
you go. But that's just a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
But don't knock him for that because of his music. Regardless,
drugs are not absolutely tremendous. Oh, Jimmy Vaughn playing Red
Rocks September twenty fifth.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
I had to check that out. Thanks for the text.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Everybody five sixty six nine zero koa comments be a
health text line. Coming up next Wednesday, the thirty fifth
anniversary of the death of Steve Rayvaughn in a helicopter
crash in Wisconsin outside of Alpine Valley after he performed
his last show. He had to get back, he said,
I got to get back, and so that's why he

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got on the helicopter and the rest is a tragic history.
May he rest in peace and his legacy in music
continue to live on. Jimmy Sangenberger in for Ross Kaminsky.
Another hour up ahead, another chance to win hunting crows tickets.
On the other side, keep it here on Kowa. President

(01:06:05):
Trump speaking in the Oval Office. It doesn't look like
it's anything too serious. Let's cut in to the President
of the United States.

Speaker 9 (01:06:12):
Trump Kennedy Center. But we're not prepared to do that
quite yet. Maybe in a week or so. But right
here in Washington, d C. It's a tremendous honor to
bring the global event and this incredible group of people,
and these unbelievable athletes, the best athletes in the world,
to the cultural center of our nation's capital.

Speaker 7 (01:06:31):
I just left the Kennedy Center.

Speaker 9 (01:06:33):
We're spending a lot of money wisely on making it
really beautiful.

Speaker 7 (01:06:36):
It's going to be beautiful again. It's like Washington, d C.
We had.

Speaker 9 (01:06:41):
By the way, in Washington, d C, we have the
lowest crime numbers they've had in years.

Speaker 7 (01:06:47):
Zero.

Speaker 9 (01:06:48):
Sounds like it's a horrible thing to say, but I
might as well say it. Zero murders in the last
week since we've done this. That's the first time in
memory that that's happened. If you can believe it helped
pathetic that is to have to even say it. And
I'm tired of listening to these people say how safe
it was before we got here. It was unsafe. It
was horrible. And Mayor Bowser better get her acts straighter.

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She won't be there very long because we'll take it
over with the federal government running like it's supposed to
be run.

Speaker 7 (01:07:16):
The numbers were horrible.

Speaker 9 (01:07:18):
There was a crime infested rat hole, and they do
have a lot of rats. We're getting rid of them too,
and we've made a lot of progress. And it was
extremely unsafe and now it's extremely safe. We had virtually
no crime. The number was down eighty seven percent, and
I'm trying to figure out where was the thirteen.

Speaker 7 (01:07:37):
Percent, because I don't think it existed.

Speaker 9 (01:07:41):
The National Guard has been unbelievable and they're working with
the police and they.

Speaker 7 (01:07:45):
Have some very good people in there.

Speaker 9 (01:07:47):
They have some people that shouldn't be police, actually, but
they have some great people there.

Speaker 7 (01:07:52):
And the Washington d C is a whole different.

Speaker 9 (01:07:55):
Place, and Johnny, I'm sure you'll be happy to hear
that too. Actually, yes, but it's a whole different place.
People are excited again. They're going out to restaurants again.
That was the other thing I saw in numbers that
restaurant businesses.

Speaker 7 (01:08:07):
Down in the last week. I know restaurant business. You
can't get into a restaurant.

Speaker 9 (01:08:12):
Just really lying people, and that's why people don't understand
how bad and how dishonest the process. I saw one
poll that had us at nineteen percent favorable on what
we're doing with Washington, and then I saw another one
as this ninety four percent favorable. And I can tell
you the ninety four percent is correct. The others are fake,

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just fake. They got to get their act together. So
bad for our country, so sick actually, so Washington, DC
is really doing unbelievably well. And the Kennedy Senator where
fixed I was just there all morning with contractors. We're
making it unbelieve. It's going to be unbelievable. It's got
great bones, but it needs a lot of work. The
World Cup Drove will set up the group stage of competition.

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Forty eight teams will play in one hundred and four
games of course sixteen North American cities, from Seattle to
Vancouver to Atlanta to Miami.

Speaker 7 (01:09:05):
It's going to be so exciting for our country.

Speaker 9 (01:09:07):
The twenty twenty six FIFA World Cup will be one
of the largest and most complex events. This will be
one of the greatest events, one of the large In
a way, it's like Johnny said it better, it's like
having many super Bowls for a short period of time,
because each one of these games essentially is.

Speaker 7 (01:09:23):
A super Bowl.

Speaker 9 (01:09:24):
Some of them are bigger than super Bowls actually, but
they're essentially each one of these games is like a
super Bowl. The twenty twenty six for World Cup will
be the largest, most complex set of events in sports history.
And the Kennedy Center will give it a phenomenal kickoff,
and we'll be involved and they'll be working over there
for quite a bit of time. We have it all

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set that they can stay there for the big events,
the big press conferences and everything else, and they'll be
in a very safe capital.

Speaker 7 (01:09:51):
That'll be nice.

Speaker 9 (01:09:52):
You don't have to worry about walking down the streets, honey, ikt,
but you could handle yourself.

Speaker 7 (01:09:58):
Already.

Speaker 9 (01:09:59):
FIFA is projected I think six magion loyal fans will
attend the World Cup events next once.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Again, President Donald Trump, speaking live at the White House,
will recap from the Oval Office what he said. But
we have tickets to give away before we go to break. Okay,
here's how this is going to work. Text into the
show Crows because it's the Counting Crows tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
They're performing at Furthers Green.

Speaker 8 (01:10:24):
Just to make it easier for me, text Crows your
first and last name and your email address.

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Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
That would be extremely helpful. Dragon.

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They're all about details, and I appreciate you making sure
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I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
We're getting close to that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
County Crows performing live tomorrow Fiddler's Green. There's nothing like
a live concert.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
I haven't seen them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Live but I guarantee they put on an absolute great show.
This is our second pair of tickets, our final pair
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Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
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Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
We're almost there, six texter or the one who gets
eleven eleven and twelve seconds. President Trump though at the
Oval Office, announcing that the twenty twenty six World Cup
draw will be held at the Kennedy Center in Washington,
D C. This December, or FIFA and the World Cup

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for soccer or I guess football for those on the
international stage. And the President very proud to share this,
has been talking a lot about the Kennedy Center and
the things, the changes that he has been making over
the course of the last handful of months there, like

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to some of the other institutions.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
By the way, he's wearing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
One of his signature red hats in the Oval Office,
and this says Trump was right about everything.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
I mean, I think that's a funny hat, but I
don't think you should wear that in the Oval Office.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
I don't know.

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Maybe I'm mistake In five six six nine zero. I
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Dragon will be in touch. Unfortunately, nobody somebody got eleven
eleven and ten seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Two people.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Eleven eleven and fourteen seconds, but no eleven eleven and
twelve seconds, No bomber. Oh well, what can you do?
That meant that the sixth Texter won. And congratulations to
our winners of the pairs of tickets to the Counting
Crows concert coming up tomorrow at Fiddler's Green. Also, by

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the way, President Trump, of course, in his address his
remarks mostly ad libbed, saying we've made a lot of progress,
talking about Washington, d c. And touting the crime reductions
and so forth, and there really have been some remarkable
improvements in that regard. And here is the Vice President
of the United States, JD. Vans, yesterday highlighting some of

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those improvements.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Crazy statistic you.

Speaker 10 (01:13:48):
Violent crime has dropped in DC thirty five percent in
nine days. Robberies in DC have dropped fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Five percent in nine days.

Speaker 10 (01:13:56):
And it highlights the fact that this living with lawlessness
and disorder. That's fundamentally a question of political will.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
If you've got the political will.

Speaker 10 (01:14:05):
To enforce the law, you can make even cities like
DC safe again, and that's what we're demonstrating. And I
hope that the American people take an important lesson from.

Speaker 8 (01:14:13):
This, because obviously DC's a federal.

Speaker 10 (01:14:15):
City, New York, LA. These places are not. I hope
the American people just recognize that you don't have to
live with lawlessness, you don't have to live with third
world murder rates. If you just take control of these cities,
you can make them safe places to live.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Hey, Vice President Vance, could you have a conversation with
Denver mayor Mike Johnston because they are a heck of
a lot of Denver ights who would love for you
to get that message through to him.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
I don't know that I'll listen to.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
You, but they sure like and hear the message.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
I'm Jimmy saying.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Innburger filling in for ros Kamanski coming up at the
bottom of the hour. You don't want to miss them
live in studio, Matt Wheatley and Danny Ramirez of the
band The Haill Billy Demons.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
They're going to be stripped down into acoustics.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
I think of this as like unplugged The Hillbilly Demons unplugged.
They're amazing on stage, kind of like country music meets
heavy metal. Matt Wheatley, the Male Entertainer of the Year
for twenty twenty five for the Colorado Country Music Hall
of Fame Awards. That happened this past Sunday. They're joining
me in studio. I've got my harmonicas We're gonna have

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a lot of fun coming up as we continue on Kowa,
I'm talking throughout the show. I'm hearing some of the
music of the great late Steve Rayvaughn because next Wednesday,
the twenty seventh, is the thirty fifth anniversary of his
death and a helicopter crash in Wisconsin after his final
show at Alpine Valley. Don't forget my friends, that flat

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Irons Fire is giving away an amazing twenty six hundred
dollars Napoleon gas grill to a listener to Ross's show.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
There will be twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Entries, only twelve entries for the final random drawing, which
will be in a few weeks. Two of these twelve
entries will be chosen at random with a noon deadline
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about today. You'll see the pinned posts at the top
of each page that explains how you can enter, and
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com slash Koa, Colorado. Good luck, May the Force be
with you, and please do follow us on social media
to make sure you see all the great stuff from
all of our shows and giveaways like this. I'm Jimmy
Sanygnberger for us Kaminski. We're going to take a break
here on KOA. Then let's get we've been talking about music.

(01:17:04):
Let's get to some live music in studio with Matt
and Danny from the Hill Billy Demons. I've got my
harmonicas they've got their guitars. This is gonna be a blast.
Keep it right here as we continue on KOA. Now,
one thing I love about radio is the chance to
have music. Now we're at a concert venue, we're here

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in the Koa's studio, but that doesn't mean we can't
have a great time with some live music right here
on the air with our special guests in studio. They
have a name that it makes you go, well, what
the heck is that? The hill Billy Demons, the twenty
twenty four band of the Year for the Colorado Country

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Music Hall of Fame. One of the guys in studio
with me also has recognition now as being one of
there was a tie along with Don Carlton of Renege
eighty the twenty twenty five Male Entertainer of the Year.
Matt Wheatley joining me here in studio. He's the bass
player in frontman for the band. And we've got Danny Ramirez,

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the band's lead guitarist, both joining us here in studio
live from the Hillbilly Demons. Let's call them unplugged today
on KOA.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Boys, Welcome to the show. Thank you so Jimmy, good
to have you here.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
First of all, Matt, congrats on the big win of
twenty twenty five Male Entertainer of the Year.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Thank you very much. Fantastic. So I'm thro.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
This first question to you. Tell us about the Hillbilly Demons.
The Hillbilly Demons.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Is a.

Speaker 11 (01:18:44):
Is a band that blurs the lines between common or
regular country, traditional country, and what did they just say
and do in the metal sense? And we are the
Hillbilly Demons because we're hillbilly's and we all have metal backgrounds.
But we really enjoyed doing this, so that's what we are.

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We bring something different than looking at your boots. We drink,
we cuss. We are basically the outlaws of whatever this
kind of thing is here in Denver.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
And let me tell you too, Matt, you guys have
an amazing following. When we were at the Colorado Country
Music Hall of Fame festival, I covered it for the
Denver Gazette and this was this past Sunday was a
wild Goose Saloon, an amazing place.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
It was great.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
I know you guys have played there a bunch in
Parker and there are a lot of fans that came
out even to that event because of the hill Billy
Demons and you were nominated and you won. Nobody knew it.
I appreciate people knew it. So how about that following
and just getting people excited in the music that you do.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
I think that.

Speaker 11 (01:19:53):
We a different band that we were in, was heavier,
and there was an absence in just us being on stage.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
And when we started to do this, it was different.

Speaker 11 (01:20:03):
It was acoustic, playing the cars in some country music.
But once we turned the country up a little bit
and forgot that we were gonna sit on our butts,
people started to go, oh, this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Is fun again.

Speaker 11 (01:20:15):
Let's do that because we I honestly think that we're relatable.
We talked to people. We love to party with him.
We're not aloof I don't think so. I think that's
why people come out is because we're just the same
as they are.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
And we like to drink beer too, So let's just
do it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Jump around Danny Ramirez, let's talk about the other guys
in the band. You have a four piece and bring
that energy. But tell us about who's in it.

Speaker 12 (01:20:43):
Eric Allwine is our drummer. He joined the band a
couple of years ago. And Dustin Jensen plays guitar and sings.
He joined two and a half years, three years ago
or so or whatever. And they were the final piece
in making this band great.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
And because what they bring is what they bring is.

Speaker 12 (01:21:08):
Friendship number one, and and they also bring a great
deal of talent, and everybody's open to doing whatever it
is that we need to do to do what we
do and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Man.

Speaker 12 (01:21:20):
Those guys are are the backbone of this whole thing. Yep,
and uh, I wish they were here. Yeah, I wish
they were here too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Unfortunately a studio doesn't allow for everybody in the band,
but you can see everybody in the band perform live
and electrified. Where Danny, what are some of the upcoming
gigs you guys have?

Speaker 12 (01:21:39):
No, we're playing at Dirty Dogs tomorrow, which is in
Golden We're playing from one to five and uh so
those of you out there that like day drink and
come out and uh and do some of that with us.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Man, it's going to be a really good time.

Speaker 12 (01:21:49):
There's always a lot of people that show up to
those things and it's always a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
The Dirty Dogs is a great place.

Speaker 12 (01:21:55):
It's a big outdoor stage and uh, everybody that works
there super cool and it's just super fun to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Well, jam a tune in a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
But and again we've got Danny Ramirez who you're hearing,
and Matt Wheatley, both from the Hill Billy Demons. Matt,
let's talk for a moment though about when you're live
on stage, especially you're a male Entertainer of the Year
Country Music Hall of Fame for College on one of them,
but one of two for this year John Carlton as
well and Matt When you're on stage, when you have

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that dynamic of the audience in front of you and
you're playing off, you're feeding off and you got that energy,
what is that like for you?

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Ah, that's like sucking up battery. It's so cool, man.
I mean, if it is, it really is.

Speaker 7 (01:22:41):
It is.

Speaker 11 (01:22:41):
If you if I look at somebody, you know, eye
contact very important. I look at them, they look at
me back. I say raise Johan, they say okay, and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
They do it. I say do this dance. They do it.

Speaker 11 (01:22:51):
It's not that it's controlling, it's that I'm doing it
with them.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
I'm like, yes, And that's participation.

Speaker 11 (01:22:58):
We we demand audience participation because we don't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
They get chastise. We're gonna let them know.

Speaker 11 (01:23:05):
But it works, man, it makes me. It makes my
heart full. Ever since I was a little teeny kid.
My first tour was an Elvis record and a wagon
and a hair brush and I went around the neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Lip syncing Elvis song.

Speaker 11 (01:23:20):
I was seven, right before he died, and one lady
came in to see us at a different club the
other day. I hadn't seen her since the eighth grade
and we used to look at Hip Parader magazines together
in Wyoming. She said to me she was in my grade.
I haven't seen her for forty some years. She goes,
how does it feel, Matt to do what you always
wanted to do and have people like it? And I

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stopped and I was like, holy crap, it feels good, man,
really good.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
There's something, isn't there, Danny?

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
Something so special about seeing the audience react, getting them engaged,
and then feeding yourself off of that energy as they
feed off of you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:23:58):
Yeah, there's something to that. Man's It was a great feeling,
you know, because the funny thing is with this band
is it's we're not trying to be anything. We're just
doing what we do and just self expression. And for
this band, it comes together perfectly, I think, or maybe
not perfectly, but it comes together.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
It comes together, clothes comes together very well.

Speaker 12 (01:24:19):
And with what we do on stage, it certainly goes
out to the people who are coming out to see us,
and they feed off it, and it's just a back
and forth feeding frenzy, I think, you know, and we
feed off them, they feed off us, and you know,
and then we're off to the next song and it
just brings a whole different vibe, but it's the same
kind of thing, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
So it's really great. Now.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
I have seen you guys, I have sat in with
you guys on stage, and that electrified energy is something else.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Today. We're unplucked.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
You've got an acoustic bass, Matt Wheatley, Danny Ramirez, You've
got an acoustic guitar. I've got an always acoustic harmonica.

Speaker 11 (01:24:56):
And I'm gonna say that you're awesome, by the way,
playing that a harp so to you if I was,
if I had a hat, I would take it off
to you right now.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Oh that was just a blast.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
The hill Billy Demons two of them live here in studio,
Matt Wheatley, Danny Ramirez and yours truly Jimmy Sangenberger aka
Jimmy Junior on the harmonica.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Let's talk just for a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
We might be able to get a few more tunes,
and I don't know, we'll see how much we can get,
but talk to me for a moment about what inspires
you musically, when you're going through what songs do you
want to play? Or when you're talking about, okay, what's
going to get the audience revved up and dancing? What
is And I'm throwing this out to both of you

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guys who wants to take it first?

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Well, the process is we on our own.

Speaker 12 (01:25:45):
We listened to a bunch of music and stuff like that,
and we'll get these ideas and I myself will think, well,
maybe we could do that song and bring it to
the band. And at that point, you know, if I
pick a song, it typically means that I might sing it,
and we'll go through it a couple of times, and
if it doesn't sound good, you know, then everybody's honest

(01:26:06):
enough and it's like, well maybe I should sing that instead,
or maybe you should sing that instead, And we.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Just always picked the best direction.

Speaker 12 (01:26:13):
And the process is is getting the song down, going
through it maybe once or twice, and then after that
we put a little bit of hot sauce on there. Whatever,
we demonize it and make it our own, so to speak.

Speaker 11 (01:26:27):
You know, Yeah, Matt, anything to add the way I
look at song selection or whatever we're going to do
is what's gonna shock people into saying I didn't think
they could do that, and then there's these harmonies and
then one of my favorite things is to do is

(01:26:48):
Shanaia Twain and people are like, what, duck.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
I love that.

Speaker 11 (01:26:52):
You get a bunch of bikers at Dirty Dogs, you
know that look like they want to kill you, and
you're born to be wild. And then they're tapping their
toe to see you, know, like they're clapping along like
got you Now?

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
I love it? So what's next, Danny?

Speaker 11 (01:27:08):
One thing?

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
What it was? Yeah, I'll sing a song, cool man.

Speaker 12 (01:27:11):
So we're gonna do a little bit of Garth Brooks
in the same key, and then Matt will ce in
when you want to play harmonica solo.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
You got it, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
The Hill Billy Demons Danny Ramirez here, Matt Wheatley, two
of the guys in studio right here on koa Hill
Billy Demons, and you can keep tabs on everything they've
got coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
We've got a few minutes left.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Guys, Danny Ramirez, lead guitarist, Matt Wheatley. Twenty twenty five
co Male Entertainer of the Year for the Colorado Country
Music Hall of Fame, which also, by the way, made
these guys the twenty twenty four Band of the Year
last year, and this is just excellent. We've got to run,

(01:27:57):
so why don't we wrap up with another tune. Mandy
Connell's up next. I hope everybody has a great weekend
and check out the hill Billy Demons.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Where are you at tomorrow again? Dirty Dogs and Golden Dirty.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
Dogs, and I know you've played a bunch at the
Wild Goose Saloon where the Hall of Fames festival happened
the other day and so many other places again. Follow
them on Facebook, Hill Billy Demons on their website, The
Hillbillydemons at dot com. May God bless America.