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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I want to tell you about another cool event coming
(00:01):
up next Tuesday at the Common Sense Institute, where I
am proud to be the Mike Loprino Free Market Fellow.
They do this awesome series called Eggs and the Economy
and it's a morning thing. It's seven thirty am to
nine am, and the next one is next Tuesday. And
joining us to talk about what you're going to hear
at the next Eggs and the Economy where you can
(00:23):
come sign up, here's some very interesting stuff and have
some free breakfast. Kelly Cawfield is executive director of the
Common Sense Institute and Greg Walcher is a Natural Resources
Fellow at Common Sense Institute. And if you've been following
if you've been following natural resource policy in the state
of Colorado for any amount of time, you know Greg
(00:44):
because he's been around these issues a long long time.
So good morning to both of you. Thank you so
much for being here. Appreciate recording in progress. A recording
is in progress. Yes, a recording is apparently in progress.
So don't what don't we to go back and forth here, Kelly,
just give a super high level thing about the event
just quickly, and then I want to talk to Greg
(01:05):
about a couple specific issues.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Are you thanks so much for Ross. Yes, Common Sense
Institute will be hosting ORONX Eggs in the Economy. It
is next Tuesday, September ninth at our building in Greenwood
Village located at AMG National Trust seven thirty and you
can register on our website. But we'll be tackling for
the first time really in agriculture Natural Resources Focus program.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
We're going to have fresh.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Data out on the economic impacts of wolf reintroduction to
the Colorado economy, as well as a very interesting study
that Greg Walter and Mike King Common Senses Outdoor Recreation Fellows.
We'll be tackling about the importance of land and stream
access and you can learn a lot more by coming
(01:53):
on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So and again, folks, you can go to CSICO dot
org CSI like Common Sensence to Coe like Colorado CSI
co dot org and you can find the event there
and sign up. All right, So, Greg, actually what I
might do is ask you if just for like the
briefest kind of thumbnail of maybe both of those things
(02:14):
that Kelly talked about that you're going to be talking
about with part of a panel and much greater detail
next Tuesday. That's a really interesting point that I hadn't
really thought about the impact of the wolf stuff on
the economy. What do you want to say about that, Greg,
And again just sort of a tease for what you'll
be doing in a broader form next week.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
We have a couple of different speakers on the panel
talking specifically about that issue in including one of the
state senators who has has been actively involved in the issue.
But yeah, a lot of people are worried about the
safety of wolves, and people talk about health aspects of
it and whether or not it's the right thing to
manage wildlife by ballot initiative. But yeah, it has clearly
(03:01):
has an effect on economics too, just for one simple reason,
wolves and livestock don't peacefully coexist and we're finding that
out in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Just quick follow up, there, are you seeing what is
data showing in terms of economic impact? We're talking about,
for example, the prices of something going up because the
ranchers have to spend so much more money to try
to protect their farms from their ranches from the wolves.
I mean, what are we looking at.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Well, it's all around ranchers are having to spend more
money to protect their property against wolves. The Colorado State
government is having to spend massive amounts of money compensating
ranchers for the loss of livestock. And then that's kind
of the beginning of it. But the long term effect
of it, if you actually make it hard to raise
cattle in Colorado, then of course we'll all see a
(03:53):
huge impact of that in the price of food.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
All right, So one other thing I'll ask you, Greg,
and I'm this is going to be kind of broad,
and then you can narrow it down. Tell us an
area of the intersection of public policy and outdoor recreation
that you think is very interesting and that you might
talk about next Tuesday at Eggs in the Economy.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Well, we are going to spend a little bit of
time talking specifically about this long term question in Colorado
whether or not you have the right to float down
a river across private property legally. As you certainly know,
Colorado treats the issue differently than a lot of other
states because in this state, the stream bed and the
banks adjacent to the river are private property. They belong
(04:35):
to the underlying landowner. Now in Colorado, you know a
third of the land in the state is owned by
the federal government two thirds of the land on the
western slope, but lots of rivers cross private land as well,
and so the water belongs to the public but not
the land under it, and so wading on private property
as well as portaging around obstructions and so on, is trespassing.
(04:56):
And so this public access for floating is fairly well
established in Colorado, in including the right to use the
waters recreationally. So rafting and kayaking and canoeing are multi
billion dollar businesses in this state. But floaters are constantly
pushing for more, and we've we've seen years of legislation
and potential ballot initiatives and lawsuits on the issue with
(05:20):
people wanting the right to trespass on private property. It's
a very complex issue, and so we've done this analysis
of the legal situation exactly what the state of play
is and really want people to understand that Colorado is
different than other states because our water situation is so
differently different than other states. So we've evolved a very
different system of water law. And to compensate for that,
(05:44):
Colorado has also spent several billion dollars through a lottery
proceeds on wildlife and parks, in open space and outdoor recreation,
including stream access that only that other states can only
dream about. So we are different in both ways. We
handle the issue legally, differ differently, and we spend money
on it, but other states don't spend all.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Right, just one very quick follow up on that. Does
what you just say mean that if I were kayaking
down a river in an area where the property is
where the land is private, not government. If I'm floating
down the river in a kayak, that's legal. But if
(06:25):
I for some reason step out of my kayak and
I'm standing in the middle of the river on the
river bed, I'm holding my kayak for some reason, there's
a beautiful bird there and I want to look at
that bird for a while, that I could be trespassing.
You could be.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
That doesn't mean you're always going to get in trouble
for it, because there are lots of places in the
state where we've made agreements with between between floating outfitters
and local property owners, and that is kind of the
system in Colorado. We handle it differently because every piece
of property is different. There are places where you're floating
through is no threat to the landowner. And there are
(07:02):
places where the landowner has invested enormous amounts of money
in improving stream so they can sell access to it,
like with guest ranches for example. And there are places
where fences have to be built to keep cattle in
and so it's not the same everywhere. Well, so we
have this case by case mediation process in Colorado. What's missing,
(07:24):
of course, is any place where you can go and
find out which places are which, and so that's one
of the things we're talking about in this paper that
we're going to talk about next Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
All Right, Kelly, I just have a few seconds here,
so just remind listeners again when and where this upcoming
eggs in the economy is and how they can sign up.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Tuesday, September ninth, that's next Tuesday, will be seven thirty
to nine. You could go to our website csico dot org.
There's a tab that says events and you can register.
You'll hear from Greg as well as Senator Byron Pelton,
Aaron Carney spar the president of the colorad A Cattleman's Association,
and it will be moderated by Vince Bezdek from the gazette.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So please join us. Fabulous and in case it wasn't
obvious based on the name Eggs in the economy, that's
seven thirty to nine in the morning, so you go
get some free breakfast and learn a bunch of things.
It's in the heart of Greenwood Village. It's a wonderful event.
I'm going to try to stop by as well. Greg
Walcher is Natural Resources Fellow at the Common Sense Institute.
Kelly Cawfield, executive director, thanks for your time, both of you.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Thanks
I want to tell you about another cool event coming
(00:01):
up next Tuesday at the Common Sense Institute, where I
am proud to be the Mike Loprino Free Market Fellow.
They do this awesome series called Eggs and the Economy
and it's a morning thing. It's seven thirty am to
nine am, and the next one is next Tuesday. And
joining us to talk about what you're going to hear
at the next Eggs and the Economy where you can
(00:23):
come sign up, here's some very interesting stuff and have
some free breakfast. Kelly Cawfield is executive director of the
Common Sense Institute and Greg Walcher is a Natural Resources
Fellow at Common Sense Institute. And if you've been following
if you've been following natural resource policy in the state
of Colorado for any amount of time, you know Greg
(00:44):
because he's been around these issues a long long time.
So good morning to both of you. Thank you so
much for being here. Appreciate recording in progress. A recording
is in progress. Yes, a recording is apparently in progress.
So don't what don't we to go back and forth here, Kelly,
just give a super high level thing about the event
just quickly, and then I want to talk to Greg
(01:05):
about a couple specific issues.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Are you thanks so much for Ross. Yes, Common Sense
Institute will be hosting ORONX Eggs in the Economy. It
is next Tuesday, September ninth at our building in Greenwood
Village located at AMG National Trust seven thirty and you
can register on our website. But we'll be tackling for
the first time really in agriculture Natural Resources Focus program.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
We're going to have fresh.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Data out on the economic impacts of wolf reintroduction to
the Colorado economy, as well as a very interesting study
that Greg Walter and Mike King Common Senses Outdoor Recreation Fellows.
We'll be tackling about the importance of land and stream
access and you can learn a lot more by coming
(01:53):
on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So and again, folks, you can go to CSICO dot
org CSI like Common Sensence to Coe like Colorado CSI
co dot org and you can find the event there
and sign up. All right, So, Greg, actually what I
might do is ask you if just for like the
briefest kind of thumbnail of maybe both of those things
(02:14):
that Kelly talked about that you're going to be talking
about with part of a panel and much greater detail
next Tuesday. That's a really interesting point that I hadn't
really thought about the impact of the wolf stuff on
the economy. What do you want to say about that, Greg,
And again just sort of a tease for what you'll
be doing in a broader form next week.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
We have a couple of different speakers on the panel
talking specifically about that issue in including one of the
state senators who has has been actively involved in the issue.
But yeah, a lot of people are worried about the
safety of wolves, and people talk about health aspects of
it and whether or not it's the right thing to
manage wildlife by ballot initiative. But yeah, it has clearly
(03:01):
has an effect on economics too, just for one simple reason,
wolves and livestock don't peacefully coexist and we're finding that
out in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Just quick follow up, there, are you seeing what is
data showing in terms of economic impact? We're talking about,
for example, the prices of something going up because the
ranchers have to spend so much more money to try
to protect their farms from their ranches from the wolves.
I mean, what are we looking at.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Well, it's all around ranchers are having to spend more
money to protect their property against wolves. The Colorado State
government is having to spend massive amounts of money compensating
ranchers for the loss of livestock. And then that's kind
of the beginning of it. But the long term effect
of it, if you actually make it hard to raise
cattle in Colorado, then of course we'll all see a
(03:53):
huge impact of that in the price of food.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
All right, So one other thing I'll ask you, Greg,
and I'm this is going to be kind of broad,
and then you can narrow it down. Tell us an
area of the intersection of public policy and outdoor recreation
that you think is very interesting and that you might
talk about next Tuesday at Eggs in the Economy.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Well, we are going to spend a little bit of
time talking specifically about this long term question in Colorado
whether or not you have the right to float down
a river across private property legally. As you certainly know,
Colorado treats the issue differently than a lot of other
states because in this state, the stream bed and the
banks adjacent to the river are private property. They belong
(04:35):
to the underlying landowner. Now in Colorado, you know a
third of the land in the state is owned by
the federal government two thirds of the land on the
western slope, but lots of rivers cross private land as well,
and so the water belongs to the public but not
the land under it, and so wading on private property
as well as portaging around obstructions and so on, is trespassing.
(04:56):
And so this public access for floating is fairly well
established in Colorado, in including the right to use the
waters recreationally. So rafting and kayaking and canoeing are multi
billion dollar businesses in this state. But floaters are constantly
pushing for more, and we've we've seen years of legislation
and potential ballot initiatives and lawsuits on the issue with
(05:20):
people wanting the right to trespass on private property. It's
a very complex issue, and so we've done this analysis
of the legal situation exactly what the state of play
is and really want people to understand that Colorado is
different than other states because our water situation is so
differently different than other states. So we've evolved a very
different system of water law. And to compensate for that,
(05:44):
Colorado has also spent several billion dollars through a lottery
proceeds on wildlife and parks, in open space and outdoor recreation,
including stream access that only that other states can only
dream about. So we are different in both ways. We
handle the issue legally, differ differently, and we spend money
on it, but other states don't spend all.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Right, just one very quick follow up on that. Does
what you just say mean that if I were kayaking
down a river in an area where the property is
where the land is private, not government. If I'm floating
down the river in a kayak, that's legal. But if
(06:25):
I for some reason step out of my kayak and
I'm standing in the middle of the river on the
river bed, I'm holding my kayak for some reason, there's
a beautiful bird there and I want to look at
that bird for a while, that I could be trespassing.
You could be.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
That doesn't mean you're always going to get in trouble
for it, because there are lots of places in the
state where we've made agreements with between between floating outfitters
and local property owners, and that is kind of the
system in Colorado. We handle it differently because every piece
of property is different. There are places where you're floating
through is no threat to the landowner. And there are
(07:02):
places where the landowner has invested enormous amounts of money
in improving stream so they can sell access to it,
like with guest ranches for example. And there are places
where fences have to be built to keep cattle in
and so it's not the same everywhere. Well, so we
have this case by case mediation process in Colorado. What's missing,
(07:24):
of course, is any place where you can go and
find out which places are which, and so that's one
of the things we're talking about in this paper that
we're going to talk about next Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
All Right, Kelly, I just have a few seconds here,
so just remind listeners again when and where this upcoming
eggs in the economy is and how they can sign up.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Tuesday, September ninth, that's next Tuesday, will be seven thirty
to nine. You could go to our website csico dot org.
There's a tab that says events and you can register.
You'll hear from Greg as well as Senator Byron Pelton,
Aaron Carney spar the president of the colorad A Cattleman's Association,
and it will be moderated by Vince Bezdek from the gazette.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So please join us. Fabulous and in case it wasn't
obvious based on the name Eggs in the economy, that's
seven thirty to nine in the morning, so you go
get some free breakfast and learn a bunch of things.
It's in the heart of Greenwood Village. It's a wonderful event.
I'm going to try to stop by as well. Greg
Walcher is Natural Resources Fellow at the Common Sense Institute.
Kelly Cawfield, executive director, thanks for your time, both of you.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Thanks
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