09-15-25 *INTERVIEW* Bill O'Reilly Hosts No-Spin News Talking His New Book 'Confronting Evil'

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This. It's live radio.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
And you know, on live radio, you work, you work
with things as.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
As they go.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
And uh, all right, let's see, let's see if we've
got this. Oh there he is, look at that, looking
like he's sitting in a TV studio, although actually it
looks like the picture maybe the picture may be frozen.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
So I'm not sure it's working. But let's let's see.
Bill O'Reilly, can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (00:22):
I can hear you, but you're echoing like crazy.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go. There is that?

Speaker 1 (00:27):
All right?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
That should be fixed my fault.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
All right, gosh, it's good to see you.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Every other time we've talked to, haven't I hadn't seen you.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I just heard you.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, usually a radio gig.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
But now you're you're doing the podcast thing is all right?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
No, well, this show it's this is live radio. But
it does also get posted, uh as a podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
And I should do a proper introduction here.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
So Bill O'Reilly is perhaps the most successful cable news
host of all time, also the most successful nonfiction writer
of all time in terms of number of books sold.
The Killing series an unbelievable series. I've read most of them.
I have his new book in my hand right now,
Confronting Evil, and we're going to talk some about that

(01:09):
and some about what's going on in the world. And
you can, of course watch Bill's No Spin News. You
can get started with that at Bill O'Reilly dot com.
And you must emphasize the daughter it will not work.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Bill. One quick thing before we get started.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
You have a lady who's a premium subscriber to the
No Spin News, which means she can be in contact
with you, and she asked a question about something going on.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
In Colorado and your.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Response to her was, if you want to know about
something going on in Colorado, ask Ross Kominski.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
And I just wanted to thank you for that compliment.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Well, I've known you a long time, and you know
I worked in Denver, YEP in the late nineteen seventies.
Totally different place than different state, but you you know
what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Ross.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Come on, I don't see you as an ideologue pushing
an agenda. So I'm trying to give great advice to
our concierge members who have questions.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
And I thought that was right on. But I'm glad
you heard about it.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, yeah, no, I appreciate it. She got in touch
with me and I did try to help her with
her questions. So over the weekend I read Confronting Evil.
I'm sure you're going to talk with plenty of people
interviewing you who haven't actually read it. But I have
and remarkable book, and I want to spend a few
minutes on it, and then a few minutes on current events.
H and I don't want to go through every person

(02:34):
who who you write about, but maybe pick one or two.
I knew Nathan Bedford Forrest was a bad guy, and
obviously the KKK is a bad organization. I didn't realize
how bad like you use the word evil.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
It's legit. Can you elaborate a little bit?

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Sure, we don't have a perception of America as the
ground of evil. You know, when we talk about evil,
we're talking about Hitler, We're talking about Mao O, We're
in China, we're talking about booting in Russia today. I
had told you know, but evil existed and exists to

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this day in our own country, and it manifests itself
and the slave traders who write about them. Then, in
the Civil War, the Confederate general Nathan Bedford Forrest, he
massacred people at Fort Pillow on the Mississippi River in Tennessee.
Just shot him dead, all right, didn't have to could
have taken a prisoner, Nah, kill them all. And Lincoln

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got wind of it and really didn't know what to
do with Forrest because Forrest was popular in the South.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
And then after the.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
War's over, Forest and organized the kook Kluk slander and
they're hanging blacks and they're doing every heinous thing you
can imagine.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
And he never was held to account. Forest. He got
away with it.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Not here, Okay, That's why I included him in the book.
So I wanted Americans to know that, yes, most of
the evil that we have dealt with over the years
has been at it here, but we have our own
home grown.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Who is Reverend Tom Jordan's and why is he important
to you?

Speaker 4 (04:25):
So the Confronting Evil book has got to have some
good in it.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
And one of the.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Good that I put in it was Teddy Roosevelt up
against the robber barons, and Roosevelt beat them. And that's
why I included the robber barons in there, because I
wanted Roosevelt's goodness to shine. I dedicate the book to
Reverend Thomas Jordan, Catholic priest, carmelite who spent much of

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his life working.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
In the worst hell holes in.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
The world, Honduras, parts of Mexico that you anglos never
go in. And he just is such a positive force
for good.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
And I've known him, I don't know, forty years.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
So I wanted to devote a book about evil to
somebody who was a very good person.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I usually don't ask this next question because it often
comes across as trite, but I suspect there's a deep
answer to this. Why did you write this book?

Speaker 4 (05:37):
About a year ago and it takes us a year
to research and write all the books. I started to
get an uneasy feeling that evil was on the rise
in America, and it was driven by two things. Hatred
to Donald Trump, and I mean rank hatred, okay, and
a progressive movement that did not believe in punishing crime criminals.

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When you had a confluence in that, and then the
social media rise where every lunatic in the world can
spout an every kind of vitriolic garbage with no sanctions,
no editing. And I said, you know, this happened in
the nineteen thirties, It was a tremendous rise in evil

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in the nineteen thirties after the Great Depression. And you
saw it in Germany with Hitler, you saw it in
Japan with Tojo, you saw it in Italy with Mussolini,
you saw it in Spain with Frankel. All at the
same time evil rose result one hundred million dead after
World War Two.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
We're not at that level.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Now, but evil is on the rise, not only in
America but also overseas, and Putin is the poster boy
for that.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
We're talking with Bill O'Reilly.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
His new book is a wonderful read, as all his
books are. It's called Confronting Evil, Assessing the Worst of
the Worst. By the way, do I still only have
you till about one five year time?

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Is that right?

Speaker 4 (07:11):
As far as you know, Yeah, I gotta I gotta
do my own show, but I give you five more
because you're right, But I gotta tape it too. And
then we're doing something for CBS, which is shocking. CBS
is finally you.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Know, Yeah, that's that's remarkable, all right.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
So if I get a couple of experiments, that would
be that's fabulous. So one one quick thing before we
get to sort of current events that we're going to
tie into your book. I do also want to say
I really enjoy your your appearances on News Nation. Uh
Leland Vendord is a good friend of mine, and your
your debates with him, your interactions with him are just

(07:53):
some of my favorite things on on on TV. So
I hope you keep doing that. I really enjoy it
and I learn a lot from it.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Thank you, Rob.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
The NewsNation thing is coming up. We're getting more and
more attention on it. I think it's a very healthy network,
not ideologically driven like all the others.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Are some please be there.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
So I find your book to be unfortunately timely in
the sense that well you, I mean, you wrote the
book for a reason.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
There was a reason I asked you that question. Right.
More evil as we've seen in recent days, and.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
I suppose in the news broadcast, starting with the horrific
story of the murder of that young woman Arena Zarutska
on the train, and then of course the murder of
Charlie Kirk, and here in Colorado we had another school shooting.
I do feel like evil is on the rise. And
my question for you, Bill is how do we make
this better? Because I don't have a sense that a
political leader or even a moderate number of political leaders

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are going to be the solution.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Well, it can't be. It's got to come from the folks.
You can't turn away. Too many Americans turn away.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
So they know stuff is wrong.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Even in their own families. They know stuff is wrong
in their own families. They know stuff is wrong in
the neighborhoods. And they say, oh, don't want to get involved.
Oh no, no, And sometimes it's dangerous to get involved.
Sometimes it's hard to get involved. I mean, it's four
people living in Chicago on the South Side, they speak
out against the drug.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Gangs, a drug gang again, kill them?

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Okay, I know that, but you can only you can
always find a way to make it harder. So if
you've got a mentally ill person in your family, then
you got to do what they call an intervention. I mean,
you can't tell me that this family in Utah with
the alleged assassin of Charlie Kirk didn't know this guy

(09:52):
was going off into lunaticville.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
They knew.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Not blaming them because their lives are devastated. But I'm
and you've gotta be hyper aware these days of the
dark forces on the internet that can take a marginal
person and drive that person into a violent scheme. And
if you're seeing somebody who's vulnerable to that or spouting nonsense,

(10:18):
particularly violent nonsense, you got to know something about it,
or at least try.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
What do you make of this massive thing over the
past few days of conservatives online looking for people online
who were cheering or celebrating Charlie Kirk's death and trying
to get them canceled, fired, and so on, sort of
a conservative version of cancel culture, which on the one
hand is understandable, and on the other hand I hated

(10:44):
cancel culture and I don't like it from either side.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
What's your take, Well, I don't think there should be
a witch hunt, but if somebody in your proximity is
spouting hatred about Charlie Kirk, I think it's legitimate to
bring that to the fore because that's unacceptable, it's inappropriate,

(11:08):
it's an evil act. I'm not going to say that
people who are criticizing Kirk are evil, that that would
be a judgment that you couldn't make until you knew
the person. But if you're that insensitive that hours days
after this young man loses his life. You're like Stephen King, did,

(11:31):
I mean, what's wrong with you? Stephen King deserves what
he's getting. You know, he didn't tell the truth about
what Kirk said about gays, and he tried to inflame
the situation. He acted happy that Kirk was killed. You know,
you got to be held to account here for that.
So I have any problem with that, But I don't

(11:52):
want witch hunts. And you know what it's Sam say
in the closet.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
No, I agree with you there.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
So all right, let me just tell you a thing
that I did this morning, and I want you to
tell me whether you think I did the right thing
or the wrong thing.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
A listener sent.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Me a post that included who posted it a Facebook
post that when you go see it on Facebook you
actually can't tell who posted it. But I believe I know,
and it's essentially just attacking Charlie Kirk and being glad
that he's dead. And I have good reason to believe
that I know the name of the person who wrote it.
And the person who wrote it is a public school

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teacher here in Colorado. I emailed the principal and the
superintendent and I said, I have good reason to believe.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
One of your employees wrote.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
This, but I am not going to tell you the
name because I'm tired of the cancel culture. And some
listeners said, look, if that were an employee, it's some
private business, okay, But as a teacher, maybe a person
like that really should be fired because of the influence
on the kids. And I just kind of felt like
I don't want to keep the cycle going, so I
didn't use the name.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
What do you think.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
That I would have done. I would have gone to
the school and I know you're very busy, but make
an appointment.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Go down, talk to the principal and say you know
this guy is, and you know, measure his reaction or
her and say I'm a little concerned. Then you got
somebody like this in the classroom? Do you want the name?

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M That's what I would have done.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, I did it by email.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
I could still do what you said, although if they
respond to me they might say do you have the name?

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Interesting?

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Yeah, but it's better done in person because you can
measure then whether it's somebody just wants to get you
out of the office, or if they're really concerned. If
they don't give a hoot, then it's you know, there's
nothing going to come about it. But if they're concerned,
genuinely concerned that there's a hater in a class, which

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elevates this. As you pointed out, it elevates that. And
then the third thing is you're a media guy. You
can blow the cover off the school anytime you want.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
But I would say, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
In this to do that, right, you know, unless this
guy did something else, I'm going to let you handle it.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
But how can I help that kind of a thing?

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Last quick question for you. Did you know Charlie Kirk personally?

Speaker 1 (14:27):
No.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
I might have met him a couple of times way
back when he was a kid, but I don't I'm
not in that world, that ideological world. I have nothing,
not commonality with them. We don't do any speaking engagements
for political units. I'm invited every week to speak here

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and there. I don't do anything like that. My job
is to keep an eye on everybody, all right, And
I don't want to get involved with ideology.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
I'm a problem solver, fact finder.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
That's what I do, so that our world's never intersected.
But I know one thing about Charlie Kirk that's extraordinary
is that at thirty one years old. I could barely
find a men's room. Ho's lucky. I was it in jail.

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And this kid, I call him a kid. He had
developed a philosophy of life. He had developed an organization
that put out what his point of view was on politics,
on religion, on Judeo Christian tradition.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
All of that.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
That was enormously effective by delivering his message. What an
accomplishment that was for a thirty one year old.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Couldn't agree more, couldn't agree more.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
It's with an amazing display. It doesn't matter what he
said as long as he wasn't saying anything hateful. And
you know how he had strong opinions, as do I
and you, But I didn't see him as trying to
mobilize anything evil.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
All right.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
Then he used the liberties that we have in his
country for a positive turn, and then he lost his
life because of it. And that's the full tragedy of
the story.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Bill O'Reilly.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
You can follow him at Bill O'Reilly dot com. Again,
make sure you emphasize the dot, push the key extra
hard on the keyboard to make sure that it works,
and you can check out his fantastic No Spin News
every night as well. And Bill O'Reilly's new book, which
I've read already and you should as well, as called
Confronting Evil Assessing.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
The Worst of the Worst. It's a really fun read.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
It's hard to put down, so you will simultaneously be
entertained while also learning a lot, and that's always what
you get from Bill O'Reilly's books. Bill, thanks for doing
this by zoom. It's great to actually see you and
keep doing what you're doing. I'm really enjoying every time
every time I see you in the media lately, I
really really enjoy it.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Thank you, Ross and best everybody in Colorado.