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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is October seventh, so I won't use the word anniversary.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I save that for good things.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's a commemoration, perhaps two years since the horrendous, murderous
invasion of Israel by Hamas Terris on October seventh, twenty
twenty three, and joining us to talk probably more about
what's going on right now than about.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
What happened that day.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Is one of our favorite guests and one of my
listeners request Ruthie Bloom so.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Much, and it's been too long since we've had her.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Ruthie is a senior contributing editor at JNS so JNS
dot org. She's a former advisor to Prime Minister Benjamin
Nett Nyahu.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And this may be news since the.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Last time we talked, but Ruthie also co hosts a
podcast called Israel Undiplomatic, So welcome back and give me
a few seconds on the podcast before we jump into
everything else.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Okay, Well, my podcast is weekly and I do it
with Mark Regev, who's the former Israeli Ambassador to the
United Kingdom. And what he and I do is we
show how you can have basically the same worldview but
totally disagree on the details. So he and I kind
(01:15):
of I would say, we don't have heavy duty arguments.
But he's much squishier than I am, I much more
outright opinionated, right wing. So we discuss the issues of
the day, I mean of the week, of course, because
it's a weekly podcast, and it's on YouTube. It's on
j and STV on YouTube. And I also posted on
(01:38):
social media, except on truth Social and also on Facebook.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I was watching a conversation and I think it might
have been with someone else, but you you said, talking
about this Trump plan that is being negotiated in Egypt
right now, you said that you don't think of it
as a quote unquote peace plan, but as something else.
And I thought that was very interesting, subtle distinction.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Could you elaborate on that.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yes, the word piece is so inappropriate in this context.
First of all, whenever you hear the word peace, you
have the duck, especially if you're Israeli. All Right, this
is a plan, and it's a plan to end the
war in Gaza with an Israeli victory over Hamas. That's
what this is. Okay to call it peace. You cannot
(02:33):
make peace with jihadi's bloodthirstate terrorists. Okay, there is no
such thing as peace with them, what you can do.
What the reason that President Trump calls it a peace plan,
not only Trump, I mean Prime Minister ANTHONIAO does too,
is because they're thinking of the future peace like the
Abraham Accords with the whole region. Peace in the region
(02:55):
once we get rid of the Jihadis and we have
a let's say, a coalition of anti around countries, et cetera,
like the Abraham Accords. But you know, you could call
that a deal between countries that have shared interests. But
you know, you have to be careful at throwing that
(03:16):
word around peace, because the Oslo Accords were a peace
process and every so called peace process we've had with
Palestinians has been a disaster. And may I also say
that two of the countries sitting with Trump or acting
now as mediators or in on this plan are Qatar
and Turkey, two sworn enemies of Israel's. Qatar is also
(03:40):
a sworn enemy of the West, though it buys influence
all over Europe, the United States and Israel, it houses Hamas,
it supports Hamas financially. Turkey the same thing is pro Hamas.
So you have two pro Hamas countries involved in mediating
this deal. All right. So the thing and what was
(04:00):
beautiful about it is it was the first time a
deal was proposed that actually put the onus on Hamas. First,
release all the hostages and then maybe we'll let you
live and then we'll talk about who runs Daza afterwards,
et cetera. With an Israeli partial Israeli withdrawal from Gaza
(04:21):
a peace it ain't.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So I don't know exactly what's in it for Cutter
and Turkey, but let's just say that for some reason
they think it's in their interest to make this deal happen.
Maybe Trump is offering them something or threatening something that
we don't know about.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I don't know, but.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Let's just stipulate that for some reason Turkey and Cutter
want this deal to happen. Is that a big enough
change in the overall dynamic that it could pressure Hamas
to go along with something that they never would have
gone along with before, especially if they come to believe
(05:04):
that they that their financial flows will be cut off.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Oh definitely. And first of all, you're absolutely right. Of course,
Katar and Turkey are getting something from the United States,
and also they're afraid. But now just Katar also had
another intinctive, not just to get something from the United
States and Trump, but Israel recently attempted an assassination of
(05:32):
the Hamas leaders sitting in Katar. Now, the attempt was
not very successful because only about three or four people
were killed, and though they were one of them was
a Katari security guard and for that Prime Minister Ntagnel
apologized to Doha. The others were Hamas but lower down,
(05:55):
not the big officials that we wanted. But what it
did was make was make Katar nervous that it's not
it's no longer impenetrable, you see. So it actually was
a successful operation the Trump Is.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Now Trump has gotten in Yahoo to promise the Kataris
that he won't do it again.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So I don't know if that incentive still exists.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well, you know he did. He said they're not going
to do it again. But you know, first of all,
uh and that could be true. But you see, if Katar,
for example, kicks the Hamas leaders out of dohuh, that's
one that's one point of incentive for Hamas to release
the hostages. You see. It's not just cutting off their funding,
(06:45):
it's saying, okay, you have no home here anymore. So
we'll see. And yes, it's not a great thing to
promise a country that you're not going to go after
the terrorists in it. Ntoni, I wasn't going after Katar,
he was going after Hamas, and I wasn't happy with
that vow. But I'll tell you President Trump has been
(07:05):
so fantastic to Israel that I'm sure that Nataniello, you know,
he picks his battles, and he certainly wants no battles
with the White House, not in this administration for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
So you know, the issue now is as we've seen,
Hamas is already starting to feel like it's a partner
in negotiations rather than a defeated jihad the entity that
the United States and all these other countries are pressuring
and Israel they're now saying, oh, well, first of all,
(07:38):
maybe we won't be able to find all the bodies
of the dead hostages, and anyway, we'll return some of
the hostages if you if Israel first with draws and etc.
So the only question now is how does the United
States and how to Israel, how do they respond? How
do we respond to that? Hamas seems not to realize
(08:03):
or it's trying to still be a player here, and
that's the one thing it should not be.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
So one of the things that I think is important
to remind Americans Westerners generally when analyzing this particular situation,
because it's not something that we in the West have
much experience with, is that Hamas and in particular the
young fighters in the street don't care if they die.
(08:31):
In fact, it might be beyond that they might be
seeking death in the service of martyrdom to go get
their seventy two virgins and all that. You know, you
might have a few overweight guys in Saville row suits
living off of three hundred million dollars of stolen Aid
(08:52):
money that they've gotten in their Swiss bank accounts and
they're living in Doha these but these seventeen year olds
in Gaza, they don't care if they die.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
And so.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
How does that figure into this whole conversation. I'm still
unclear on what the incentive is for at least gozen
the people, the Hamas members who are actually in Gaza,
I don't see what's in it for them to go
along with any of this.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
If they don't care if they die.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Well, it's not so clear that the younger. The younger guys,
like you said, these seventeen year olds don't care if
they die. Who doesn't care if they die? Who wants
them to die? Are their battalion commanders, etc. And the leadership,
of course Sinwar wanted them all to die, and that's
why the international community said, oh my god, you're killing
(09:41):
all these innocent Palestinians. He put them in harm's way.
But he also, you know, many of them were terrorists,
most of them terris, but he was happy to put
women and children in harm's way purposely while Israel was
sending flyers into Gaza and making phone calls and telling
Gozins to please get out of the way because we're
about to bomb this tunnel or this building that is
(10:04):
housing missile factory, et cetera. So the leaders don't care,
but the leaders do care about themselves. And it's possible
that the when you say incentive, the incentive is for
those guys to be allowed to stay alive and move
somewhere else and have be spared. But you're right, they
(10:24):
don't have a lot of incentive because they're a deaf
cult and you're right, they believe in martyrdom. And worse
than that, I'll tell you something else. The goasens like
the Palestinians in the Palestinian Authority, if they kill Jews
or maim them or rate them or whatever, they receive
a salary from the Palestinian Authority in Ramala, from Palestinian
(10:51):
Authority leader Mahmund Abbas otherwise known as Abu Mazen, it
pays them salaries. And if they get killed killing Jews,
he pays their families such a sum of money that
they that they can never could never earn in any
other fashion.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
So it's unbelievable. Yeah, I mean, and there there's uh
this has come up with listeners from time to time,
and I don't know, and it's obviously you can't do
real polling right now, you know. I would have thought
a year and a half ago that if there were
an election in Gaza that Hamas could participate in, there's
a decent chance that people would elect them.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Again.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
It seems like maybe the destruction has been so thorough
and going on so long that Hamas is a little
bit less popular among the people. But still it reminds
me it would be like if the German people, you know,
near the end of the world of World War two,
learned about the concentration camps which were mostly kept secret
(11:54):
from the people, learned about all the horrors of what
the Nazis did and all that, and said, you know what,
I want to vote.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
For them again, right. And that's how I.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Perceive the Palestinian people, which is why I'm a little
bit less sympathetic to them than some people think I
should be. They're not all terrorists, but most of them
are quite happy anytime they hear of a dead Jew.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Oh they are. And in the Palestinian authority, if there
were elections held right now, Hamaswood win hands down, which
is why Abumanzanis has been preventing elections. But I'll tell
you how you can be sympathetic to the Palestinians. Who
are who are you know, celebrate the slaughter of Jews, Christians,
(12:38):
Infidel Muslims. I'll tell you how you can be sympathetic
to them. Here's the one way I am. If you
are born and raised from the time you opened your
eyes on this earth, you are raised to hate Jews,
to say Israel needs to be destroyed, to say Israel
is committing genocide against you. In your school, the math
(13:00):
problems were if you killed two Jews, and you kill
another two Jews, how many did you kill altogether? And
in your crossword puzzles and in yours and you had
your sports arenas named after suicide bombers and all that,
And if you grew up like that, how lightly is
it that you would be able to be an independent thinker.
(13:22):
Now there are such people we know who have left
to say, oh my god, you know, we know, we
know the guy called son of Hamas, who who he
goes around and he says, it's all Islam and Hamas
is evil. But what I'm trying to say is these
young children don't know any different. What they know that
is what they are fed in their schools, in their mosques, everywhere,
(13:46):
in their media and everything. So in that sense, you
could be sympathetic, and it'll take this as one of
the things that saying they have to reform, etcetera, etcetera,
it means nothing. This takes two generations clean up.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
The school books exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
And so I agree with you, I have I have
sympathy for them in that respect, but it doesn't make
me and of course it doesn't make you lessen the
understanding that even though they were brainwashed into this from
the time.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
They were zero.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Regardless of how they got there, they'd be happy to
shoot you or me in the head.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And we can never forget that.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
No, of course not. And let me yeah, of course,
let me just say, do you given an allergy? You
know it's it's as I never took the abuse excuse
as an excuse for crimes and murders. You know, you
have a murderer, a serial killer as well. You have
to understand he was raised, he was abused as a child.
It's not an excuse because if you are in his uh,
(14:54):
in his path, he's gonna kill you too. That's what
you have to care about, all right.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
So just have a co minutes left here, and I
want to switch gears a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
You moved to Israel around fifty years ago, but you're
still in America a lot. You're very American, even though
you're very Israeli. And you are well aware of the
massive move in public opinion, particularly among Democrats, particularly among
young Democrats, against Israel. Very sympathetic toward the Palestinian people.
(15:28):
I find it evil, but in a way I have
sympathy for them. In much the same way that you
are describing, Because my kid just started at a community
college in Seattle and three different teachers in math and
science classes told the class that Israel is committing genocide
in classes that have nothing.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
To do with it.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So what would you say to either young you know,
young adults or parents of young adults where those young
adults are getting brainwashed against Israel right now?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Well, first of all, I would say, if you are
a parent who cares about Israel, you stay vigilant and
you try to talk to your kids. It's no different
from you know, your kids are also being bombarded in
the United States with the idea that you choose your
gender at age five, I don't know, and you decide
one day you're not a girl or a boy. The
(16:25):
indoctrination that goes on on the left in America is
so severe that only I guess the only way to
battle it is in the home, where you're teaching them
your values or you're trying to And by the way,
because things got so out of hand, and by the way,
(16:47):
got so got so anti Semitic, it's no accident that
the Republicans won that Trump won that election. Okay, when
the Democrats got so out of hand in every possible way.
It's in wokeness, in woke marrying Jihattis, it's insane. And
it went so crazy that Americans said, no, this is
(17:11):
not us. Okay, we're not Jihatis, and we're not that woke.
We're liberal Democrats, not democrats as in the Democratic Party.
We are people who believe in liberal values in equality,
but not in dei and not in critical race theory,
and not from the River to the sea and all
(17:33):
of that. So I would say that maybe things aren't
as bad as they seem, because you see them in
the left wing media all the time, and you're right
in campuses. I don't know what to tell you. I
at this point, if I had a kid in college,
I'd say, you know what, I'd rather buy him an
apartment than spend that money on four years of indoctrination.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I hear you.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I would also know that in the most Jewish city
in America, in New York City, and Anti is about
to become mayor. An overt Anti Semite is about to
become mayor. And I fear that many young liberal Jews
are are turning against Israel.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
And and well we'll see I.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Think what we need to see in order to get
a sense of whether this can swing back in a
better direction. I think we need two things. We need
the war to end, and we met in Nyahu to go.
And I don't know if either of those things is
going to happen anytime soon, but I gotta leave it there, Ruthie,
we'll have you back to go. Over all that and more,
I wanted to talk to you on this October seventh.
(18:37):
I hope you and your friends and family are are
well on this challenging day.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Thank you. So we'll be in touch, and let's keep
our fingers crossed, as they say, for the hostages to
come home at least.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
That absolutely belated happy New Year. Thank you, Ruthie.
It is October seventh, so I won't use the word anniversary.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I save that for good things.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's a commemoration, perhaps two years since the horrendous, murderous
invasion of Israel by Hamas Terris on October seventh, twenty
twenty three, and joining us to talk probably more about
what's going on right now than about.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
What happened that day.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Is one of our favorite guests and one of my
listeners request Ruthie Bloom so.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Much, and it's been too long since we've had her.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Ruthie is a senior contributing editor at JNS so JNS
dot org. She's a former advisor to Prime Minister Benjamin
Nett Nyahu.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And this may be news since the.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Last time we talked, but Ruthie also co hosts a
podcast called Israel Undiplomatic, So welcome back and give me
a few seconds on the podcast before we jump into
everything else.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Okay, Well, my podcast is weekly and I do it
with Mark Regev, who's the former Israeli Ambassador to the
United Kingdom. And what he and I do is we
show how you can have basically the same worldview but
totally disagree on the details. So he and I kind
(01:15):
of I would say, we don't have heavy duty arguments.
But he's much squishier than I am, I much more
outright opinionated, right wing. So we discuss the issues of
the day, I mean of the week, of course, because
it's a weekly podcast, and it's on YouTube. It's on
j and STV on YouTube. And I also posted on
(01:38):
social media, except on truth Social and also on Facebook.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I was watching a conversation and I think it might
have been with someone else, but you you said, talking
about this Trump plan that is being negotiated in Egypt
right now, you said that you don't think of it
as a quote unquote peace plan, but as something else.
And I thought that was very interesting, subtle distinction.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Could you elaborate on that.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yes, the word piece is so inappropriate in this context.
First of all, whenever you hear the word peace, you
have the duck, especially if you're Israeli. All Right, this
is a plan, and it's a plan to end the
war in Gaza with an Israeli victory over Hamas. That's
what this is. Okay to call it peace. You cannot
(02:33):
make peace with jihadi's bloodthirstate terrorists. Okay, there is no
such thing as peace with them, what you can do.
What the reason that President Trump calls it a peace plan,
not only Trump, I mean Prime Minister ANTHONIAO does too,
is because they're thinking of the future peace like the
Abraham Accords with the whole region. Peace in the region
(02:55):
once we get rid of the Jihadis and we have
a let's say, a coalition of anti around countries, et cetera,
like the Abraham Accords. But you know, you could call
that a deal between countries that have shared interests. But
you know, you have to be careful at throwing that
(03:16):
word around peace, because the Oslo Accords were a peace
process and every so called peace process we've had with
Palestinians has been a disaster. And may I also say
that two of the countries sitting with Trump or acting
now as mediators or in on this plan are Qatar
and Turkey, two sworn enemies of Israel's. Qatar is also
(03:40):
a sworn enemy of the West, though it buys influence
all over Europe, the United States and Israel, it houses Hamas,
it supports Hamas financially. Turkey the same thing is pro Hamas.
So you have two pro Hamas countries involved in mediating
this deal. All right. So the thing and what was
(04:00):
beautiful about it is it was the first time a
deal was proposed that actually put the onus on Hamas. First,
release all the hostages and then maybe we'll let you
live and then we'll talk about who runs Daza afterwards,
et cetera. With an Israeli partial Israeli withdrawal from Gaza
(04:21):
a peace it ain't.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So I don't know exactly what's in it for Cutter
and Turkey, but let's just say that for some reason
they think it's in their interest to make this deal happen.
Maybe Trump is offering them something or threatening something that
we don't know about.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I don't know, but.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Let's just stipulate that for some reason Turkey and Cutter
want this deal to happen. Is that a big enough
change in the overall dynamic that it could pressure Hamas
to go along with something that they never would have
gone along with before, especially if they come to believe
(05:04):
that they that their financial flows will be cut off.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Oh definitely. And first of all, you're absolutely right. Of course,
Katar and Turkey are getting something from the United States,
and also they're afraid. But now just Katar also had
another intinctive, not just to get something from the United
States and Trump, but Israel recently attempted an assassination of
(05:32):
the Hamas leaders sitting in Katar. Now, the attempt was
not very successful because only about three or four people
were killed, and though they were one of them was
a Katari security guard and for that Prime Minister Ntagnel
apologized to Doha. The others were Hamas but lower down,
(05:55):
not the big officials that we wanted. But what it
did was make was make Katar nervous that it's not
it's no longer impenetrable, you see. So it actually was
a successful operation the Trump Is.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Now Trump has gotten in Yahoo to promise the Kataris
that he won't do it again.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So I don't know if that incentive still exists.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well, you know he did. He said they're not going
to do it again. But you know, first of all,
uh and that could be true. But you see, if Katar,
for example, kicks the Hamas leaders out of dohuh, that's
one that's one point of incentive for Hamas to release
the hostages. You see. It's not just cutting off their funding,
(06:45):
it's saying, okay, you have no home here anymore. So
we'll see. And yes, it's not a great thing to
promise a country that you're not going to go after
the terrorists in it. Ntoni, I wasn't going after Katar,
he was going after Hamas, and I wasn't happy with
that vow. But I'll tell you President Trump has been
(07:05):
so fantastic to Israel that I'm sure that Nataniello, you know,
he picks his battles, and he certainly wants no battles
with the White House, not in this administration for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
So you know, the issue now is as we've seen,
Hamas is already starting to feel like it's a partner
in negotiations rather than a defeated jihad the entity that
the United States and all these other countries are pressuring
and Israel they're now saying, oh, well, first of all,
(07:38):
maybe we won't be able to find all the bodies
of the dead hostages, and anyway, we'll return some of
the hostages if you if Israel first with draws and etc.
So the only question now is how does the United
States and how to Israel, how do they respond? How
do we respond to that? Hamas seems not to realize
(08:03):
or it's trying to still be a player here, and
that's the one thing it should not be.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
So one of the things that I think is important
to remind Americans Westerners generally when analyzing this particular situation,
because it's not something that we in the West have
much experience with, is that Hamas and in particular the
young fighters in the street don't care if they die.
(08:31):
In fact, it might be beyond that they might be
seeking death in the service of martyrdom to go get
their seventy two virgins and all that. You know, you
might have a few overweight guys in Saville row suits
living off of three hundred million dollars of stolen Aid
(08:52):
money that they've gotten in their Swiss bank accounts and
they're living in Doha these but these seventeen year olds
in Gaza, they don't care if they die.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
And so.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
How does that figure into this whole conversation. I'm still
unclear on what the incentive is for at least gozen
the people, the Hamas members who are actually in Gaza,
I don't see what's in it for them to go
along with any of this.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
If they don't care if they die.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Well, it's not so clear that the younger. The younger guys,
like you said, these seventeen year olds don't care if
they die. Who doesn't care if they die? Who wants
them to die? Are their battalion commanders, etc. And the leadership,
of course Sinwar wanted them all to die, and that's
why the international community said, oh my god, you're killing
(09:41):
all these innocent Palestinians. He put them in harm's way.
But he also, you know, many of them were terrorists,
most of them terris, but he was happy to put
women and children in harm's way purposely while Israel was
sending flyers into Gaza and making phone calls and telling
Gozins to please get out of the way because we're
about to bomb this tunnel or this building that is
(10:04):
housing missile factory, et cetera. So the leaders don't care,
but the leaders do care about themselves. And it's possible
that the when you say incentive, the incentive is for
those guys to be allowed to stay alive and move
somewhere else and have be spared. But you're right, they
(10:24):
don't have a lot of incentive because they're a deaf
cult and you're right, they believe in martyrdom. And worse
than that, I'll tell you something else. The goasens like
the Palestinians in the Palestinian Authority, if they kill Jews
or maim them or rate them or whatever, they receive
a salary from the Palestinian Authority in Ramala, from Palestinian
(10:51):
Authority leader Mahmund Abbas otherwise known as Abu Mazen, it
pays them salaries. And if they get killed killing Jews,
he pays their families such a sum of money that
they that they can never could never earn in any
other fashion.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
So it's unbelievable. Yeah, I mean, and there there's uh
this has come up with listeners from time to time,
and I don't know, and it's obviously you can't do
real polling right now, you know. I would have thought
a year and a half ago that if there were
an election in Gaza that Hamas could participate in, there's
a decent chance that people would elect them.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Again.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
It seems like maybe the destruction has been so thorough
and going on so long that Hamas is a little
bit less popular among the people. But still it reminds
me it would be like if the German people, you know,
near the end of the world of World War two,
learned about the concentration camps which were mostly kept secret
(11:54):
from the people, learned about all the horrors of what
the Nazis did and all that, and said, you know what,
I want to vote.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
For them again, right. And that's how I.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Perceive the Palestinian people, which is why I'm a little
bit less sympathetic to them than some people think I
should be. They're not all terrorists, but most of them
are quite happy anytime they hear of a dead Jew.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Oh they are. And in the Palestinian authority, if there
were elections held right now, Hamaswood win hands down, which
is why Abumanzanis has been preventing elections. But I'll tell
you how you can be sympathetic to the Palestinians. Who
are who are you know, celebrate the slaughter of Jews, Christians,
(12:38):
Infidel Muslims. I'll tell you how you can be sympathetic
to them. Here's the one way I am. If you
are born and raised from the time you opened your
eyes on this earth, you are raised to hate Jews,
to say Israel needs to be destroyed, to say Israel
is committing genocide against you. In your school, the math
(13:00):
problems were if you killed two Jews, and you kill
another two Jews, how many did you kill altogether? And
in your crossword puzzles and in yours and you had
your sports arenas named after suicide bombers and all that,
And if you grew up like that, how lightly is
it that you would be able to be an independent thinker.
(13:22):
Now there are such people we know who have left
to say, oh my god, you know, we know, we
know the guy called son of Hamas, who who he
goes around and he says, it's all Islam and Hamas
is evil. But what I'm trying to say is these
young children don't know any different. What they know that
is what they are fed in their schools, in their mosques, everywhere,
(13:46):
in their media and everything. So in that sense, you
could be sympathetic, and it'll take this as one of
the things that saying they have to reform, etcetera, etcetera,
it means nothing. This takes two generations clean up.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
The school books exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
And so I agree with you, I have I have
sympathy for them in that respect, but it doesn't make
me and of course it doesn't make you lessen the
understanding that even though they were brainwashed into this from
the time.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
They were zero.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Regardless of how they got there, they'd be happy to
shoot you or me in the head.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And we can never forget that.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
No, of course not. And let me yeah, of course,
let me just say, do you given an allergy? You
know it's it's as I never took the abuse excuse
as an excuse for crimes and murders. You know, you
have a murderer, a serial killer as well. You have
to understand he was raised, he was abused as a child.
It's not an excuse because if you are in his uh,
(14:54):
in his path, he's gonna kill you too. That's what
you have to care about, all right.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
So just have a co minutes left here, and I
want to switch gears a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
You moved to Israel around fifty years ago, but you're
still in America a lot. You're very American, even though
you're very Israeli. And you are well aware of the
massive move in public opinion, particularly among Democrats, particularly among
young Democrats, against Israel. Very sympathetic toward the Palestinian people.
(15:28):
I find it evil, but in a way I have
sympathy for them. In much the same way that you
are describing, Because my kid just started at a community
college in Seattle and three different teachers in math and
science classes told the class that Israel is committing genocide
in classes that have nothing.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
To do with it.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So what would you say to either young you know,
young adults or parents of young adults where those young
adults are getting brainwashed against Israel right now?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Well, first of all, I would say, if you are
a parent who cares about Israel, you stay vigilant and
you try to talk to your kids. It's no different
from you know, your kids are also being bombarded in
the United States with the idea that you choose your
gender at age five, I don't know, and you decide
one day you're not a girl or a boy. The
(16:25):
indoctrination that goes on on the left in America is
so severe that only I guess the only way to
battle it is in the home, where you're teaching them
your values or you're trying to And by the way,
because things got so out of hand, and by the way,
(16:47):
got so got so anti Semitic, it's no accident that
the Republicans won that Trump won that election. Okay, when
the Democrats got so out of hand in every possible way.
It's in wokeness, in woke marrying Jihattis, it's insane. And
it went so crazy that Americans said, no, this is
(17:11):
not us. Okay, we're not Jihatis, and we're not that woke.
We're liberal Democrats, not democrats as in the Democratic Party.
We are people who believe in liberal values in equality,
but not in dei and not in critical race theory,
and not from the River to the sea and all
(17:33):
of that. So I would say that maybe things aren't
as bad as they seem, because you see them in
the left wing media all the time, and you're right
in campuses. I don't know what to tell you. I
at this point, if I had a kid in college,
I'd say, you know what, I'd rather buy him an
apartment than spend that money on four years of indoctrination.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I hear you.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I would also know that in the most Jewish city
in America, in New York City, and Anti is about
to become mayor. An overt Anti Semite is about to
become mayor. And I fear that many young liberal Jews
are are turning against Israel.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
And and well we'll see I.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Think what we need to see in order to get
a sense of whether this can swing back in a
better direction. I think we need two things. We need
the war to end, and we met in Nyahu to go.
And I don't know if either of those things is
going to happen anytime soon, but I gotta leave it there, Ruthie,
we'll have you back to go. Over all that and more,
I wanted to talk to you on this October seventh.
(18:37):
I hope you and your friends and family are are
well on this challenging day.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Thank you. So we'll be in touch, and let's keep
our fingers crossed, as they say, for the hostages to
come home at least.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
That absolutely belated happy New Year. Thank you, Ruthie.
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