10-08-25 - *FULL SHOW* Leland Vittert; 16th Street; Pricey Colorado; Dial It Down

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Boy, do we have a ton of stuff to talk
about today. I just like, literally in the last two
minutes booked as a guest on the show for an
hour from now. One of the attorneys on the conversion
therapy case at the Supreme Court, which is, as you
know you've heard, I haven't really talked about it much.

(00:20):
I've figured, well, let's get through oral argument and see
how that goes. But it's a Colorado case about a
law that we have in Colorado that bans something called
conversion therapy, which is essentially trying to talk a gay kid.
So this relates to minors, although talk a gay kid
out of being gay or that sort of thing, and
other states have similar laws. And the case that got

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to the Supreme Court is a Colorado case, And essentially
the question at hand is can the state bar conversion therapy?
And by the way, there's no data that I've seen
that shows that it works, and it seems like it
has caused harm. Can a state bar that as a

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substandard medical practice, as an impermissible quote unquote medical practice
because it doesn't work? Or is that a violation of
the therapist's First Amendment rights to say whatever they want
to say, and I'm going to talk about that more
a little bit later on in the show, but I
wanted you to know I just booked that guest for
an hour from now, and then just after eleven thirty
we'll have Leland vittert on the show. And yeah, we

(01:27):
just we've got a lot to talk about today. Let
me just do a couple minutes here on Jim Comey.
So Jim or James Comey, former director of the FBI,
the guy who somehow, somehow remarkably has Democrats and Republicans
both hating him because he tried to hurt Donald Trump.

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But what he really did was got Donald Trump elected
president with all the shenanigans, the way he handled to
Hillary Clinton investigation going into the twenty sixteen elections. So
Democrats think he got Trump elected and Republicans think he
was involved in the whole Russia hoax and all kinds
of things designed even as he was doing what he

(02:16):
was doing to Hillary Clinton, he was doing other things
that folks perceive as designed to try to prevent Donald
Trump from being elected and to try to cripple Donald
Trump as president once he won. Once he was elected.
So Komy is in this position that it would hard
to be. It would be hard to do if you
tried of getting Republicans and Democrats to dislike you. But

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that's where he is. And he's always come across as
a very smug, condescending guy who you just kind of
want to reach out and slap across the face and
tell him to wipe that silly grin off his face.
He always just come across as that kind of guy
to me. Now he's facing federal charges in the Eastern
District of Virginia, and let me just go through this quickly.

(03:00):
Everybody kind of understands what's really going on here. So
the Eastern District of Virginia looked into whether they might
be able to charge Jim Comy for lying to Congress
on the question of whether or not he authorized somebody
to leak a story to the media about Hillary Clinton.

(03:20):
This is not about Donald Trump, not about the Russia stuff.
It's kind of before that. And it appears that the
person who we're talking about who did the leaking is
Andrew McCabe, who has made some comments that kind of
made it sound like Comy told him he could leak.

(03:41):
But the whole thing is very, very tricky because McCabe
and his job did have the authority to go to
the media without needing permission from Comy. And also McCabe,
who again, as I said, has has said some things
that make it made it sound like, yeah, Comy told
me to leak. Cave is known to be a liar.

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That's why he's working for CNN. Now he's known to
be a liar. The Inspector General of the Department of
Justice called McCabe. He didn't use the word liar. I
forget what word he used, but essentially said McCay really
can't be trusted. So the Eastern District of Virginia was

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looking into this question of did Comy lie to the
US Senate and specifically in questioning coming from Ted Cruz
when he said, and this gets tricky now he at
first years prior, he said I didn't authorize anybody to leak.
Now that particular statement is barred by the Statute of Limitations.

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So it came up again in twenty twenty and Comy said,
I stand by my prior statement that I didn't ask
anybody to leak, and just a day or two before
that would have been barred by the Statute of limitations.
President Trump fired the US attorney in the Eastern District

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of Virginia because he and his team had decided that
there was not enough evidence to be able to convict
James Comy beyond a reasonable doubt, and therefore they weren't
going to pursue it, which is which is the proper
way to think about it. I'm not saying I have
a judgment as to whether there is enough evidence or not,
although I tend to think there's not enough evidence to
convict him. But that is the right way to think

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about it. From the perspective of a prosecutor, You're not
just supposed to go try anybody who you rite or
file charges against, just anybody who you think might have
done something wrong. You're only supposed to bring charges if
you are confident that you can prove your case beyond
a reasonable doubt. And they thought they couldn't, so they

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didn't bring charges. So Trump fired the US attorney and
put in his own person. And who's a woman who's
never been near a criminal prosecution as far as I
can tell. She practices a real estate and insurance law
in Florida. Trump installed her as unqualified a person as

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you could like as unqualified an attorney as you could imagine.
You'd have to get someone who's not an attorney to
be less qualified than she is. But being a dutiful
Trump foot soldier, she goes to a grand jury, brings
three different charges. And you know that a grand jury,

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as they say, can indict a ham sandwich because there's
no defense case made it a grand jury. Don't confuse
a grand jury with a jury. It's not the same,
it's not close to the same. So the prosecution goes
to the grand jury and tries to convince them that
there is a reasonable basis, there's probable cause to think

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that somebody committed a crime. But again, the person that
they're going after does not have any representation there. And
still she failed to get a true bill it's called,
on one of those charges, and did get a true
bill an indictment on two of them. I suspect she
got the indictment on the other two, like just barely.

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So now this morning Komy went in front of a judge,
a judge who seems pretty respectable, even though Trump is
trashing him already, which is probably not a great move
on Trump's part, but that's what he does I think
Trump is setting the table because Trump knows that the
case against Comy is so weak that it might not
even get to trial. It might be thrown out there
by the judge before trial, and it should be. And

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I don't mean that as a defense of Comy. I
don't like Jim Comy, and he has done a lot
of stuff wrong. But this indictment is woefully insufficient. It
doesn't even say what it was that Komy did that
was wrong. You have to be specific in these indictments.
He did such and such a thing wrong. It doesn't
say that. So the judge should probably just throw this out.

(08:07):
And again I am not saying that as a defensive
Comy in any case. Comy pled not guilty today, and
the judge said it unbelievably soon date. I think it's
January fifth, less than three months for the trial. That's amazing.
And it's call Mey's people who are really pushing to
do this quickly, which shows how confident they are. By

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the way, the person representing Comy is Patrick Fitzgerald, a
former Republican appointee to be US Attorney for Chicago. Basically
very very highly respected guy. You know, for many years
thought of as one of the one of the very
top lawyers in America. He's the one representing Comy and

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again a Republican appointee. So we'll see now the trial
data set for January fifth and it and we'll see,
Like I say, I think the judge should just throw
it out because the whole thing is so obviously political

(09:11):
retribution and nonsense and the kind of stuff that Pam Bondi,
who's in charge of that whole you know, the Department
of Justice, said that she was going to get away
from politicizing the Department of Justice. But that is clearly
what's going on here. And again I am not saying
that Jim Comy is a good guy. Jim Comy is
not a good guy. He's done a lot of things wrong.

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But that doesn't mean that this prosecution should happen. If
it does go to trial, I would bet a lot
of money that Comy wins, and real fast. So I
think this is just this prosecutor who isn't really a prosecutor,
just a Trump loyalist bringing these charges because Trump wants
to go after someone that he sees as a political opponent.

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I think Trump is going to lose. I think the
admit the I think the Department of Justice is going
to lose, and it's just going to be bad for everybody,
including for citizens of the United States. Senator Ted Kennedy
died today at the age of eighty nine. Let's see
Patrick Kennedy, her son, put out a statement saying, missus

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Kennedy was a classically trained pianist, an advocate for mental
health and addiction recovery, which you'd want to be in
that family, and a quiet pioneer in publicly addressing challenges
with alcoholism and depression at a time when few others would.
They added, her courage and candor helped break stigma and
inspired others to seek help and healing. Her impact on

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the arts, mental health advocacy, her beloved Boston community, and
the nation will be remembered by many. All right, So
that's what we got there on the passing of Joan Kennedy.
All Right, A lot of stuff I want to get
to with you here. So a few days ago was
this past Saturday was the official re grand opening of

(11:03):
Sixteenth Street Mall. Well, it's not Sixteenth Street Mall anymore.
It's just sixteenth Street. The word mall is that why
you were shaking your head, Shannon, Yeah, it's not. The
word mall has been removed, although I think if you
accidentally say mall, people will probably still know what you're
talking about, and even in Denver, you probably won't get
arrested for that, although we certainly seem to have our

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free speech challenges in this state. From ABC Channel seven,
Denver seven dot Com. After three years of construction and
business interruptions, the one hundred and seventy six million dollar
project was officially declared complete on Saturday. The mayor said,
with the work now completed, we renewed a vital piece
of Denver while making it more whelping, welcoming, vibrant, and

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accessible for all. Well, and then our news partners over
at KDVR Fox thirty one had a short story just
reminding us, and here's the headline. Security plan in place
on New sixteenth Street in Denver, and it's not exactly
a new story, but it's kind of a reminder that

(12:08):
there's a whole downtown safety action plan that's put together
by the Mayor's office and the Denver Police and the
Denver DA's office. And as KDVR dot com has it,
this plan includes a new ten officer Downtown Police Unit,
Mounted Horse Patrol, Denver Police, Downtown Kiosk, five additional private

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security officers and park ranger patrols. The Downtown Denver Partnership
also provides thirty security officers, and they quote some person
here as saying safety and security are the number one
priority as of whenever they wrote this article, they didn't
have the final attendance numbers from the grand opening, but

(12:51):
I'm sure it was fine. Economic investments totaling five hundred
and seventy million dollars have been made through the Downtown
Development Authority. So my only comment or brief comments on
this are, I wish Denver a lot of success. There's
no sarcasm there at all. It's our capital city. I
live right near Denver. I don't live in Denver because

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most of my guns would be illegal if I lived
in Denver. But I live near Denver, and it's our
biggest city. It's our capital city, it's our most important city.
It's a city that, in addition to of course our
mountain towns, but drives a lot of tourism and business
travel and conventions and concerts and sports and all this stuff.
And I want Denver to succeed. I've been here twenty

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one years. And when I moved to when I moved
to near Denver, we moved near Boulder at first, but
you know, in Denver quite a bit. When I first
moved here, I thought of Denver as a lovely city.
You know, I came from New York and Chicago, so
to me, Denver is a lovely small city. And then

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something happened. You know, a few things happened. Demographics happened.
The legalization of marijuana, which by the way, I supported
and still do support, happens. But because we were the
only one, or for a little while, we in Washington
State were the only ones. And who wants to go
to Washington State except for my kid who likes that
weather for some reason. But it brought lots of people
that I will call bums here, and they would spread

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out around Sixteenth Street mall right, and they would call
themselves urban campers. But they, you know, like nineteen year
olds or twenty seven year olds who just wanted to
be stoned and didn't want to work. And that was
bad for sixteenth Street mall. And then we had years
going back to I will start this with Mayor John Hickenlooper,

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who wanted to make Denver welcoming for homeless people. And
I've used this metaphor a lot. He and the mayors
after him, and governors as well, including when he was governor,
decided to turn the safety net, which is a thing
that's supposed to catch you and protect you when you're
falling and keep you from getting badly hurt. They turned
the safety net into a comfortable hammock and invited the

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homeless people to come here and lie around in the hammock.
And then, of course we had all this stuff with
the Texas governor sending illegal aliens here because we turned
ourselves into a sanctuary state as well. Yeah, the blueprint,
no doubt, Jared Polus and his crew turned this state
blue with a very very clever political plan. But it

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was also aided by dramatic changes in demographics, with massive
numbers of Californians moving here. And they are not Californians
who were trying to escape California liberals. They came here
for other reasons, so they were just as blue. They
didn't come here because they hated California Democrats. They came
here they were Democrats, and they kept voting Democrats anyway. Anyway,

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my point is I always thought of Denver when I
you know, for years, a few years after I got here,
as a wonderful, lovely, small to mid size city, and
then it became a place I had no interest in going.
I would go to downtown Denver if I had to,
if I had to have a meeting, right or if
I were going to a concert at Paramount, and I
just hope I could park somewhere and not get mugged.

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But now they're trying to make it bigger and better,
and I wish them lots of success, because the state
needs it, the city deserves it. Even though the city
is full of voters who elect terrible politicians. Still it's
a lovely city, and for the sake of all of Colorado,
I hope this project works very very well. I hope
it helps bring more people back to offices downtown. I

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hope more people coming back to offices downtown if it happens,
will have a virtuous circle to type of effect on
improving Sixteenth Street as well. We will see one very
quick comment on the Jim Comy thing. I said earlier
that I suspect that either of the case will be
thrown out before it goes to trial, or Jim Comey

(16:55):
will win a trial pretty quickly. And Listener made a
point that it's definitely true when I probably should have mentioned,
and that is the process is the punishment. It's a
great line. And I think that Donald Trump and many
of his friends justifiably want to put through the ringer

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anybody and everybody that they can think of who at
a high level, like people like Brennan, even Adam Schiff,
although I don't think you've got a way to get
to him. Jim Comy and others want to put them
through the ringer the way they put Donald Trump through
the ringer. And I understand it. I understand that desire
for retribution. I understand that desire for I'm going to

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do to you what you did to me. I doesn't
mean I like it, but I understand it. And also,
by the way, and when I say it doesn't mean
I like it, it doesn't mean that there's a lot of negatives.
It's gonna be a lot of negatives in the sense
it doesn't mean that I don't think that Comy doesn't
deserve it. In other words, Comy and these people, they

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really deserve some kind of karmic justice. That doesn't mean
they deserve to be charged with a crime that you
that you can't that you probably can't prove. Right So,
and I mentioned that that Fitzgerald is the attorney representing Komy,

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and a listener said, yeah, remember that Fitzgerald was the
guy who got the bogus conviction of Scooter Libby and
Libby may have lied. And this is well, I'm not
going to actually go through the whole thing, but but
that's that's a while back. But that's a good point.
Everybody knew what was going on behind the scenes in
that story. So you know what. One other just quick comment.

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I was watching yesterday this show that not literally a show,
but like a performance being put on by Pam Bondi
in front of the Senate hearing. It was going on
during my show yesterday and I didn't put any of
it on the air, and a bunch of Democratic senators
asked her ridiculous questions and she gave them ridiculous answers,

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and she was, as my wife put it, she was spicy.
Pam Bondy was spicy yesterday. And this again falls into
this category for me of like I understand why MAGA
and people around Trump want to behave the way they
are because these Democrats have been such bad actors and

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such liars and behaved in such bad faith in anything
and everything that ever had to do with Donald Trump.
They cannot see past their hatred of Donald Trump. They cannot.
They don't care whether they behave unethically and with some
of them perhaps illegally, if it's in the service of

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trying to get Trump, and in a sense, they deserve
anything and everything that might happened to them. On the
other hand, Pam BONDI made a promise to try to
move the Department of Justice away from political prosecutions that
and I want that. I don't care about Yeah, right, exactly.

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Lots and lots of people believe. As producer Shannon just
showed me on his phone, it's a very common statement
out there on Twitter x, lots of social media. This
is exactly what I voted for. And I get it.
I really do get it. And I hope that people

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get over that sentiment at some point because remember that
the next president or the president after that, will be
a Democrat, right and every time, every time we create
this permission structure for government, for people who are in
government to use government to go after their political enemies.

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And let me make one thing really clear. I am
not saying Trump invented this. I'm not even saying the
Biden people or even Obama invented it. People have been
going after their enemies and government forever, for as long
as there is been government. And I read exactly. I
realize that sometimes when I talk about this stuff, I

(21:28):
probably sound a little bit too precious. But I would
like our government to be better. I aspire for our
government to be better than the government of France, or
the government of ancient Rome, or the government of Soviet
Russia or any other government. I aspire for our government
to be the best. But right now we have a

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federal government that has a lot of people who say
you mistreated us, and so we're going to mistreat you
in kind. Like I said, I get it, and I
also get that a lot of people voted for this.
A lot of people. When you look on social media,
they say, you know, going after Comy like this and
putting him through the ringer, and they think they're gonna

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put him in jail. Let me just tell you one thing.
If Comy is convicted, he will not spend a day
in jail. This is not the kind of crime anybody
ever spends a day in jail for. So you're never
gonna see Comy in jail. But he's not going to
be convicted, and there might not even be a trial.
And I just want there to be some freaking adults
in the room. And when I watch Pam Bondy and all,

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and Dick Durbin and Dick Blumenthal and these terrible democrats,
Mazy Herono, the dumbest member of the Senate. I watch
these people interacting with Pam Bondy and they're both they're
all just hyper political when they should be talking about
issues of justice. And I just feel like there's no

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good guys. You know, maybe one is a little less
bad than the other, you know, like I slightly for
Pam Bondy too, or maybe even more than slightly to
the Biden Justice Department, which was wildly corrupt. And call
me and McCabe and all these people, but can't we
do better? Is there ever going to be an adult

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in the room? And the answer is not while Donald
Trump is president. And again I realized lots of people
voted for it, lots of people voted for it. Okay, okay,
speaking of the Justice Department and the FBI, but moving
away from politics kinda, here's a really weird story that

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I saw yesterday. This is on CNN's website. But don't
let that, you know, turn you against finding the story interesting,
because it's not about CNN. Check this out. The Trump
administration has ordered FBI employees in Washington, DC, and New
York to immediately search their workstations and digital media for
any records pertaining to are you ready for the Shannon?

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Do you know what's coming next? Do you know what
the Trump administration is ordering the FBI to look into?
You're ready the disappearance of Amelia Earhart. And not that one,
not the one that you know from years of being
on TV and radio in Denver, the old Amelia Airhart.
I mean it's I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just

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this is interesting. It's weird. Employees in the FBI's DC
and New York Field offices received a highly unusual message
from their leadership, flagged with high importance, late yesterday, telling them,
quote per a priority request from the Executive Office of
the President of the United States, please search any areas
where papers or physical media records may be stored, to

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include both open and closed cases for records responsive to
Amelia Earhart. What oh, my gosh. So apparently they got
the message yesterday, and if I'm reading the story right,
their deadline is today to risk to the request at least. Wow,

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Maybe this is a thing that's just something that Trump
is fascinated with, or someone near Trump is fascinated with,
so he's throwing them a bone and ordering him to
look into it. Earhart was attempting to become the first
woman to fly around the world when her plane went
missing over the Pacific in nineteen thirty seven. She was
declared lost at sea following a sixteen day search. President

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Donald Trump last month said that he was directing his
administration to declassify and release all government records related to her.
Trump posted on true social her disappearance almost ninety years
ago has captivated millions. I'm ordering my administration to declassify
and release all government records related to Amelia Earhart, her

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final trip, and everything else about her. Conspiracy theories have
developed since the aviator's disappearance, but the US government has
long thought that she and her navigator crashed into the
Pacific when they ran out of fuel. So anyway, obviously
Trump likes declassifying and releasing documents, and I'm for it

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in pretty much every case. Right. The only time I
would ever say, don't release a thing is if releasing
it would compromise US national security. And I mean if
it would really compromise national security, not if somebody who's
a little too overprotective of this, that or the other
thing is going to make some weak claim that it
would write. So, so Trump has ordered the declassification of

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documents about the assassinations of JFK and RFK and MLK. Right,
I guess Trump doesn't necessarily for whatever reason, Trump's a
little hesitant about the Epstein stuff getting out. That's probably
coming at some point. But that's a weird story, isn't
it a weird story? Go search for records about Amelia Earhart.

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All Right. I did not get caught up in this
next story because I don't care much about the NBA.
I cared even less about the Los Angeles Lakers, and
and I like, I just don't care about Lebron James.
I don't feel about Lebron James the same way I
felt about Michael Jordan. It's because I'm older. Maybe it's

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because I lived in Chicago and I got to watch
Michael Jordan play quite a few times back in the heyday,
those championship years. I was in Chicago and I got
to and I got to Yeah, I actually got a
once or twice. I had some rich friends and they
had very good seats, courtside seats and then also the
second row, and I got to sit in those seats
from time to time. And then also, you know, just

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buy tickets and go sit in the cheap seats like
anybody else. But you know, Lebron James is awesome, but
I don't care about him. So apparently there was a
thing going on yesterday that he well, he had teased
in advance that he was going to have something to
say on Tuesday, which and he was going to have

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a quote unquote decision to announce, which is kind of
similar to how we rolled out the thing fifteen years
ago where he announced that he was joining the Miami
He where did he leave Cleveland?

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Right?

Speaker 1 (28:06):
I think he was at Cleveland and he went to
and he you know, they made this whole thing about it,
and so whatever, this decision. This announcement was was supposed
to come out at noon Eastern yesterday, and going into
that because look, the dude is, how long has the
dude been playing? He turns, the dude turns forty one

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in a couple of months. He's the oldest player in
the NBA. And he's about to play in his twenty
third season in the NBA. Because because he started in
the NBA when he was eighteen, and that's a that'll
be a record, that'll be a record twenty. I think

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he's tied with someone right now for twenty two seasons,
but when he comes in this season, twenty third season,
that'll be a new record. He's also not under content
after this season, and so some people were thinking that
this announcement was going to be retirement. And here's an
interesting line from Associated Press. Ticket prices for the Lakers'

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final regular season game in April soared on Monday on
secondary markets, with fans willing to spend big money just
in case James does decide that this is his last season.
And in fact, he may well decide that this is
his last season, but that's not what he announced yesterday.

(29:36):
It was basically an advertisement might I go so far
as to call it a grift. He put out a
little video saying this fall, I'm going to be taking
my talents to Hennessy Vsop. It's a kangnak, So this
whole thing is a kgnac ad. Hennessy announced that they're
going to release a limited edition orange bottle featuring lebron On,

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James's name on the label and his signature quote unquote
crowning gesture, a nod to his king, James a moniker,
and they said Hennessy says, where the first moment marked
a pivotal career move, this second decision celebrates a creative
reunion and shared cultural legacy. And you know what, I've already,

(30:22):
even though I didn't talk about it at all yesterday,
didn't think about it all yesterday, I've already probably spent
more time on it today than I should have. So
I'm going to stop there. That's what the fuss was about.
You know, I have very mixed emotions about traffic enforcement
and speed cameras and so on, because I do think

(30:43):
that at some times speed cameras, to a lesser degree
read light cameras are actually put in place to improve
safety from time to time, and I also think that
lots of times they're just a money grap And I'm
not in a position to judge on any particular one
thing or any particular one town. So I'm not going

(31:04):
to say they're all bad and they're all just money grabs.
I will say I tend not to give them the
benefit of the doubt, but it's possible that some of
them really are out there for safety. So I want
to let you know if you maybe traveling in Colorado,
that Glenwood Springs is now putting speed cameras in town.

(31:27):
They are going to have a thirty day warning period
during this month, and then they are going to be
implementing these things photo radar speed enforcement program, and just
like other places that have it, they'll mail you the
ticket and then you can give them your money. So
of the roads in Glenwood Springs, according to kvr kdvor

(31:51):
dot com, ninety percent of the roads in that town
have a speed limit of twenty five miles an hour.
And in this article, there's four different places on mid Avenue.
In one place on South Glenn Avenue, they're gonna put
these cameras. Police say the camera systems will be in
plane view with signs posted at least three hundred feet
from the enforcement zone. Violations are not reported to the

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DMV and insurance companies will not be made aware of them.
So it's some combination of they really want you to
slow down because people are driving too fast in the
middle of town, and or they want your money. You
can decide, but I just wanted you to be aware
of that. What do I want to do here? This

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story is worth longer than I'm going to have for
it if I do it here. You know, I'm gonna
do this very quickly, and I may come back to
it later. You know, there's something going on in American
politics when the left and some of the left more
woke positions are being abandoned by some of the major
major liberal newspapers in this country. The Chicago Tribune had

(33:02):
an editorial yesterday about a guy who's been walking around
Chicago randomly punching people. There was a video that went
viral online by a woman named Yarra Afane said who
was attacked on a Red Line L train. That's what

(33:27):
they call the subway because it's elevated in some points.
But anyway, this woman was attacked on the platform at
the Loyola Red Line station and she saw a guy
walking up to her. She was scrolling on her phone.
She says, she became uncomfortable, tried to move away, but
the guy. The guy kept walking up to her and
then punched her closed fist punch in the back of
her head. So police arrested this guy, charged him with

(33:49):
two misdemeanor counts of battery. And then this is where
I'm going with this, and where the Chicago Tribune is
going with this. He's been released until his upcoming court date.
And then go on the Chicago Tribune goes on talking
about some other dude who was punching random people, and

(34:09):
they say, We're left to wonder if these alleged perpetrators
are known to the criminal justice system, what exactly has
to happen before the system makes it stop? Right, These
people are walking around assaulting people, some of them have
multiple convictions previously, and yet they're let out again. This

(34:30):
is part of the reason Donald Trump won the presidency. YEA,
all right, put the cameras there, Shannon says. So the editorial,
the Chicago Tribune editorial ends with this, no city can
eliminate crime entirely. But a city that accepts women being
struck at random as routine has lost something essential, its

(34:52):
sense of care for its own. You know what, I'm
not gonna have time to get to the Washington Post
one now. I will get to it later, but let
me just reiterate. When you've lost the Chicago Tribune, you
know that the political left has jumped the shark. And
this is why. I mean, maybe not in Chicago itself,
and maybe not in Denver itself, because these places are

(35:13):
hopelessly blue. But when you start losing your hometown newspaper
in these deep blue cities, I would say Democrats generally
should be a little bit concerned. When we come back,
we're going to talk with one of the attorneys who
is arguing the Supreme Court case about conversion therapy. That's

(35:37):
next on KOA. Gosh, I thought I had my guest,
but now now I'm not seeing my good Okay, there
we go, there we go. This is that's all right,
it's live radio. We're gonna get it done. We're gonna
get it done. All right, there's that. There's that one.
But all right, and hopefully she can hear me. All right,
if all goes according to plan. Here, we're now speaking

(35:58):
with Mallory Slates and Mallory is legal counsel on the
parental rights team at the Alliance Defending Freedom. Their website
is adflegal dot org and they do take on a
lot of very interesting cases that get to the Supreme
Court which have implications for basic constitutional rights. And Malory,

(36:21):
can you hear me? Are we good?

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (36:25):
All right? Excellent? So Malory joins us talk about the
case that ADF has that comes out of Colorado regarding
conversion therapy. And there were oral arguments at the Supreme
Court yesterday, and we only have about six minutes or so,
so can you please, Mallory just kind of give us
first the high level what are the key questions at
issue in this case?

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Absolutely. Kaylie Chiles is our client.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
She is a licensed counselor in the state of Colorado
and she works with clients, including children, about a variety
of issues that also include gender identity and sexual orientation.
The state of Colorado has passed a law in twenty
nineteen that have banned counselors like Kayley from speaking about

(37:10):
certain views regarding gender and sexuality to clients under the
age of eighteen. The issue before the Supreme Court is
whether clients can voluntarily request that their counselors speak to
them about certain issues regarding gender and sexuality.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
So what I'm trying to get a handle on in
this case is how do we try to draw the
line between whether something that a therapist wants to say
to a patient is protected by free speech to the
extent that if the experts or the certifying bodies or

(37:56):
whoever believe that that is improper medical practice, that they
can't regulate it as improper or substandard medical practice because
it's protected by the First Amendment. Off that And I
mean is is that the heart of the question? I mean,
not really.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Really, what we're talking about this in this case is speech.
This is an instance where you have a client, the
client's family, and the counselor who all agree that they
want to talk about how to help the child realign
themselves with their biological sex. This is a client and

(38:38):
a child coming in who will want to talk about
these issues because they want to talk about these issues.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
They should have the right to do that with a
client like Kayley.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
But unfortunately the State of Colorado has said even these
voluntary conversations that everybody agrees on and that everybody wants
to have you are not allowed to.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Have, okay, And I'm playing Devil's advocate a little bit,
which I'd like to do when I when I when
I talk to attorneys, I like to I like to
do this. So let's say that the uh, the parents,
and the therapists all agree that they want to have
a conversation about about the therapists uh prescribing literal snake

(39:24):
oil as a as a cure for something, and the
literal snake oil has no basis in data and no
basis in scientific studies, but the parents are willing to
try because the therapist says this might work in a
And and at what point does it become okay for
the state's medical regulators to say that this crosses a

(39:47):
line and it's not about free speech anymore, and it's
not even about whether it's voluntary anymore.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Well, I mean, in.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
That instance, you have a a licensed counselor who has
a licensed to do talk therapy who is now prescribing something.
So that's just a totally separate issue that wouldn't be
related to this law or this case at all. Because
that's not speech. So in that case, maybe there the
outcome is different. But in the case where it's it's

(40:18):
simply speech that is voluntary and that everybody wants to have,
that's where we come into a constitutional issue.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Okay, so let me change my example a little bit.
What if the therapist says, I think the thing that
would help you would be to make a small cut
on your arm every day.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Well, I mean again, that's that's not counseling, that's not
talk therapy. Right, So now we're no, because now we're
getting into like physical medical advice, and that is medical.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Advice, which is not what we're talking about here.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Here we're talking about, you know, just pure talk therapy
and counseling where the client is asking to be counseled
in this way.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Okay, and now i'll switch to your side for a minute.
One of the things that troubles me about the government's
argument here is who's going to draw this line that
they I mean, strangely enough, they're saying that they promised
your client they wouldn't prosecute her, which I think is
a very weird thing to do unless you know that
if you prosecute or you're going to lose at the
Supreme Court. I don't understand how they are going to

(41:33):
try to draw the line between who they will prosecute
and who they won't prosecute. If the standard is this
sort of cloudy thing about what counts as conversion therapy
and what doesn't.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
Yeah, that's a great point, and it isn't and it
really gives a lot of discretion to the state to
decide what speech is acceptable and speech is not acceptable. Really,
what this this law is is viewpoint discrimination. It is
saying that one viewpoint that the state agrees with is allowed,

(42:07):
but another viewpoint that the state disagrees with is not allowed.
But the problem is who is in government and in
power is constantly changing. So we should all agree as
citizens that we don't want the state and the government
deciding what viewpoints are allowed to be spoken in the
privacy of a counseling room versus the viewpoints that are

(42:30):
allowed to be spoken.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
I think it's a really interesting case, and I don't
think it's a legal slam dunk. If I had to bet,
I would bet you win the case. And I would
also bet that if the case were twenty years earlier,
with that Supreme Court you might not have won, but
I think with these justices, I think you have a
very good chance of winning. I'm just about out of time.

(42:54):
Tell me the thing that most surprised you in oral
argument yesterday.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
I mean, I think we were really excited with the
way it went. Jim Campbell did an excellent job. But
really I think the court acknowledged that Colorado is trying
to censor conversations and that this is viewpoint discrimination, and
so to us, those those were really positive signs.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
And we're looking forward to the opinion.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, and like I say, I suspect that you will
that you will win. Were you in the room, were
you in the Supreme Court chamber watching Jim argue?

Speaker 3 (43:29):
I was not in the room, but listening, listening with
the team.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah. When do you think you'll get a chance to
argue in front of the Supreme Court? Not on this case,
but just on something. Have you done it before?

Speaker 2 (43:40):
I have not.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
I have not, but I hope, hope at one point
in my career I get that opportunity.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
But you know, ADF just has so many amazing, brilliant
attorneys that they could they could could go for many
years before before they.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Get to lead you do have a very strong team.
I have a lot of them on my show. Malory
Slate is legal counsel at a line it defending freedom
ad F legal dot org. Thanks so much for taking
time to join us. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
All Right, we'll take you quick break. We'll be right
back on Kowa. I'll do the dinosaur thing in a second.
But I just need to just follow up for a
minute on that conversation we just had uh with the
attorney on the conversion therapy case, because I haven't really
talked about the merits of the case so much in
these issues, and I just sort of I jumped in
directly to the to the legal aspects of this, and

(44:31):
here's how I understand the case. She framed it a
little bit differently, but here's how I understand the case.
There's a therapist here who occasionally gets requests from parents
to talk with their kids about the kids being gay
or maybe trans, and the parents want to have a
therapist to talk about it. And the therapist says that
she doesn't actually engage in what's called conversion therapy, but

(44:53):
might have a conversation with the kid about why you
know why this and how that and what are you
thinking here? And this kind of thing, And the state
has a law that says, essentially, you cannot engage in
what's called conversion therapy, which is a you know, kind
of psychological therapy in order to convince people to change

(45:15):
their sexual orientation. And then there's a whole separate category,
you know, with transgender people. In any case, the state
says you can't do it. And the state has actually
said they're not going to prosecute this lady, and one
does wonder if she has standing to bring a case,
but the state could of course change their mind at
any time. So I don't think that. I think it's
a very thin read to rely on when the state

(45:38):
says we won't prosecute you, even if you know they're
not saying exactly that she's not violating the law, but
maybe she's not violating the law enough or something. It's
uh huh crazy. So so here's the argument. As far

(45:59):
as I can tell, there's there's no data that says
conversion therapy works, and there's a lot of data that
shows that conversion therapy is harmful and can drive kids
to hurt themselves or kill themselves. And then separately from
the physical can cause long time rifts between the kid
and their family or even and I would think that
this would concern some of the people who might think

(46:20):
conversion therapy is a good idea, even between a kid
and their faith. Right when you start, when a kid
starts being told, hey, your faith hates you, essentially, and
so we're going to try to change you because your
faith doesn't accept you. I'm not sure that the people
of faith who would be a lot of the folks
who would favor conversion therapy would really want that. I mean,

(46:44):
that's your decision, not mine. But in any case, I
am unaware of any data that says conversion therapy works,
and I am aware of plenty of data that shows
that conversion therapy can I won't say must, but can
cause harm. Wants to say this is not acceptable as
a medical practice, and you are not allowed to engage

(47:06):
in it. Now, keep in mind, this is an important thing.
All we're talking about here is talking So even I
did use an example of prescribing snake oil, and that
is a little bit different, but maybe not prescribing. Right,
what if the what if the therapist were to say
to somebody I think what might help you. I'm not
prescribing anything. You can just go out and buy something.

(47:29):
You go to a forest and pick this particular mushroom
or whatever or And the argument from the therapist side is, look,
it's just words. It's protected by the First Amendment. I
can say what I want. I'm not prescribing something. We're
just talking. And who are you to tell me what

(47:51):
I can say and what I can't say? And so
this is the argument. And I do think that the plaintiff,
the therapists in this case, the people who are against
the ban on conversion therapy, I think they are going
to win this case. Because of the composition of this
particular Supreme Court, I think it will be six'. THREE

(48:14):
i could imagine five, four BUT i do think they will.
Win that, said there's one way that this could play
out that would sort of be in the, middle and
that would be where The Supreme court doesn't make a
final ruling on the, case but says that the lower
court analyzed it wrong and then sends the case back

(48:35):
to the lower court to do further. Analysis and then
the lower court will probably take that as some kind
of clue that for this or that reason they should
probably rule The colorado law. Invalid the other thing that's
interesting about it is other states have this kind of,
law so depending on what The Supreme court, does it
could have real impact on other generally blue. States so

(48:58):
in any, case that's what it's. About AND i ACTUALLY
i think both sides have valid. Points, ACTUALLY i really.
DO i think that if if there is a medical
practice that you are confident doesn't help and can, hurt
you should probably be able to regulate that as a
medical licensing board or, something you, know that kind of.

(49:18):
Organization on the other, hand how do you draw a
line between that and free? Speech these are these are
the cases that makes The Supreme court docket so. INTERESTING
i owe you the dinosaur thing because you played walk The.
Dinosaur i've already moved on to bad motor scooter you,
did all, RIGHT i got that one. Too i'll do.

(49:41):
Both see somebody reads the show sheet right, NOW i know. Somebody,
hey CAN i do one of these just While i'm sitting,
here BECAUSE i feel so bad about the past couple of.
Days if you're just one one shot one.

Speaker 5 (49:56):
And you're not gonna walk up there because you're gonna
miss and do it, Again, no just.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
One, well here's the. THING i have like eight pieces
of paper here SO i don't have to walk over
IF i. Miss But i'm only gonna do one, Now, okay, boy,
ready all, right And i'm just gonna stay. Seated here we.
Go you gotta call, it, no, no, no you canna
let this one stand. This i'm not gonna say a
damn thing about what's going on? About you absolutely missing

(50:21):
the shot? Again like everybody knew you were going. To
are you gonna tell them what actually just? Happened you?
Missed it went straight?

Speaker 6 (50:29):
In but it.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Didn't what is this the muddy python argument? Room it
went straight? In it was a, Swish no such. Thing come,
LOOK i didn't gotten out of my. Chair come find
a piece of paper on the. Floor i'm.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
Coming well IF i leave the, room you're gonna not
all stay right.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Here. Bs you went straight? In sure it. Did it
went just the opposite. Side no it. Didn't What oh my,
God i'm gonna do the dinosaur story right now while
dragon comes in. Inspect come, on you're gonna walk? Over
no where WALK i. Won't i'm gonna stay right over.
HERE i see you AS i leave the. Room that
was the best shot. Ever this is From channel four

(51:08):
In Los. ANGELES a fifty pound fiberglass dinosaur Named claire
that was stolen from A brentwood gas station has been
returned with an apologetic. Note The San Vicente, Boulevard sinclair
station's four foot tall prehistoric mascot was stolen by someone last.
Week video showed the person using power tools to Remove,

(51:31):
claire loading her onto the bed of a Pickup what,
no that wasn't? Mine mine went right? In oh my.
Gosh video showed the person using power tools to Remove,
claire loading her into the bed of a pickup truck
that pulled up alongside the fuel pumps and driving. Away

(51:52):
now here's where we're going with the. STORY a clerket
that that was not my paper walk in the. Newspaper
you should have un you should have done whatever it
is so you could see. That it Was oh my,
GOD i DON'T i can't believe. It it went straight.
In he's gonna try again with raight. In oh, geez

(52:17):
that was, short ye see honest about. It oh, MY
i mean that one went. In you can admit it, Now,
okay here we. GO a clerk at the gas station
TOLD Nbc Los angeles that she arrived at work Early
monday to see That claire the dinosaur had been returned

(52:37):
and attached note read let's see hold, on hold, On
i'm sorry for Stealing. Claire please do not press. Charges
and the gas station owner was asked whether he plans
to press, charges and he said absolutely. Not i'm just
Glad claire is. Home this actually caught the attention Of

(52:58):
Jamie Lee, curtis, actor, actress whatever you call these. DAYS
i think you're supposed to call them all. Actors even
Though i'm so old, School i'll still say. Actress in
An instagram, Post Jamie Lee curtis, said, really, hey you
with your fancy. Truck really you need to steal the
dinosaur from in front of The Sinclair Glass. Station really gas?
Station really not, cool, dude not. Cool so there you,

(53:22):
go the dinosaur's. BACK i also note that in The,
instagram which is a, picture a still picture at LEAST
i guess there's a video, There but What i'm seeing
is the still picture on a news. Site it shows
a dude in a hoodie carrying a white tarp THAT
i guess he puts over the dinosaur when he steals,
it walking towards the, dinosaur which is ahead of, him

(53:45):
and a little bit on the, left about twenty feet
ahead of, him and just to his right is the
sign that shows the prices at the gas. Station and
of course this Is, california so the cheapest gas looks
like it's four dollars and seventy nine cents for the
Cheap AND i will just, say IF i were being
charged four dollars and seventy nine cents per gallon of,

(54:05):
gas you, KNOW i might feel like they owe me
a dinosaur? Two all? Right so? Bad motor? Scooter who
does that? Song Mantros montrose Like, Montrose? Colorado what are
they named? FOR i don't Know? Montrose all? Right HAD
i had mentioned that this was, coming now it's. Official In,

(54:31):
aurora they apparently have had a problem of teenagers riding
dirt bikes AND i don't mean, bicycles but motorcycles that
are not street. Legal they're supposed to, be or at
least not highway. Legal they're supposed to be, ridden you,
know in the, dirt but riding them on the. Street
and The Aurora City council passed an ordinance that had

(54:53):
been discussed for a, while but they passed an ordnance,
yesterday yesterday or. MONDAY i forget that makes it. Illegal
now let me it was already. Illegal let me recollect my.
Thoughts what the ordinance says is that if a minor
is possessing and riding what they call off highway vehicles

(55:18):
on city streets or on, sidewalks or even in city
open spaces or around local, businesses the parent or guardian
will be fined at least two hundred and fifty. DOLLARS
i guess it would go TO i guess you could
go to. Trial, right you could go to trial if

(55:41):
you plead, guilty if you plead no, contest or if
you are. Convicted now the other thing, is and this
will be an interesting little twist in the law if
this comes up in a court. Case let me just
read from the section of The Aurora Municipal. Code no
parent or guardian and shall cause or knowingly permit their

(56:04):
child or ward under the age of eighteen eighteen years
to drive or ride an off highway vehicle in the.
City so the parent defense in court can be and
it's clear that they drafted it this. Way, okay it's
clear that this is intentionally available as a defense in

(56:25):
court that the parent or guardian did not cause and
did not knowingly. Permit in other, words tell your teenager
to say they took the bike without they took the
motorcycle without your, knowledge and then you won't be fined
in any. Case there you. Go that's official now In.
Aurora we kind of knew it was, coming but now

(56:45):
it's a done. Deal all, right what? Else let me do.
This i've had this for a few days and this
is sort of a, big a big think. Piece oh my,
gosh look at this. Headline THE, feds like THE. Fbi hold,
On i'm trying to get this going On Fox news right,
now on the, APP i, mean not on THE tv real.

(57:07):
QUICK i just want to jump.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
In we've got a text message from our good Friend Mark. Stout.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Yeah, yeah there's An encyclopedia of musical.

Speaker 5 (57:13):
Knowledge, yes guitar player Is Ronnie Montrose Sammy hagar. Singer
ronnie grew up here but was born In San. Francisco
Ronnie Montrose.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Ronnie montrose From, colorado but not named For. Colorado, correct,
solid well, Done, mark well, played well? Played. Okay From Fox.
News an arrest has been made in relation to the
Deadly Palisades fire in The Los angeles. Area the, suspect
twenty nine year Old jonathan Rinder, necked was arrested at

(57:42):
his home In, Melbourne, florida On. Tuesday official said during
a press conference today he will make an initial appearance
in court In orlando. Today official officials accuse him he
goes by the Name Jonathan rinder Or render as well
starting The Lackman lacchman fire just after midnight On New

(58:06):
Year's day that maliciously damaged and destroyed by means of,
fire specifically the fire known as The Lackman fire And Palisades,
fire The Lachman fire. Itself, okay he started this particular
fire that is called The Lackman. Fire The Lackman fire
was put, out but according to, officials it kept burning

(58:26):
underground until embers came up and winds blew them somewhere
and they started what became The Palisades. Fire and by the,
WAY i was out there. RECENTLY i was out there
a couple months ago driving Up Pacific Coast highway to
go with my wife and. Kid we were VISITING. La
we were looking at colleges and we took a little

(58:47):
drive up there and it's still like both sides of
the road just burnt out shells of. HOUSES i, MEAN
i don't know how many billions of dollars of damage
there was done, there but, anyway, anyway we. DON'T i
don't know. Yet prosecutors allege you use chat gpt to

(59:09):
create images of a dystopian painting of a city being
burned on one side while hundreds of thousands of people
in poverty are trying to get past a gigantic gate
with a big dollar sign on. It The palisades fire
killed twelve, people more than sixteen hundred buildings. Burned many
are starting to. Rebuild so this sounds, like, again this

(59:33):
is Just i'm just reading this to. You this is
my first time reading, it so you, KNOW i don't
want to go too far in speculation, here BUT i,
mean just based on, that it kind of sounds like
the guy was trying to make some kind of extreme
political slash anti capitalist. Point so, like poor people are,
struggling so he's going to Burn it's going to start

(59:55):
a fire where rich people. LIVE i Guess i'm just
making that up just based on WHAT i shared with.
YOU i could be completely, wrong all, Right let me
share something With you From Christopher. Rufo Chris rufo is
one of the most effective and influential people in the
conservative movement these. Days very close With Donald trump as.
WELL i don't THINK i would call him quite as

(01:00:17):
big an influence As Charlie, kirk but he's in that.
Direction he's very much of a deep, thinker a very philosophical.
Guy AND i want to share this piece with you
That i've had for almost a, month but it's kind of,
timeless AND i think it's important and it's deep. Thought you,

(01:00:40):
know it's deep. THOUGHT i have to alternate between wasting
your time and bringing some deep thoughts so that on
average it ends up being a normal, show, right like
the guy whose head is in the oven and his
feet are in the, Freezer so on, average on average he's.
Fine right, again, really, okay you got that, one AND

(01:01:00):
i got the one before, it AND i got two before.
That i'm three for.

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
Four, yeah unlike the piece of paper THAT i found.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Them, well that wasn't my, Paper sure it. Wasn't From Chris.
Rufo there's a moment in the life of every political
movement when aspirations become, reality when the dissidents become the
establishment for the. Right that moment is. Now after the
death Of George floyd in twenty, twenty the right functioned
mostly as a dissident movement at rallied opposition to coronavirus,

(01:01:29):
lockdowns the radicalization of our, institutions and corruption in the federal.
Government With Donald trump's victory last, year, however this opposition
movement earned an opportunity to become the new. ESTABLISHMENT i
watched the process unfold behind the, scenes and, AGAIN i
in that sentence Is Chris. Rufo during the transition, period

(01:01:49):
the Incoming trump administration's best thinkers finalized their plans and
in many cases announced them On Inauguration. Day many of
the ideas formed during the right's dissident, period during some
of my, own suddenly became, Policy abolishing THE dei, bureaucracy
Rescinding Lyndon Johnson's Executive order On Affirmative, action dismantling The

(01:02:10):
department Of. Education in the early months of this, year
the feeling was. Triumphant the administration continues to do good,
work But i've noticed a growing, concern more discussed in
private than in, public about elements of the right that
have failed to make the Transition Since Inauguration, day we've
seen a, splintering especially in the media and intellectual. Worlds

(01:02:31):
some have assumed the responsibilities that come with, victory while
others prefer to remain as dissidents and unfortunately have fallen
into various ideological rabbit. Holes sometimes it's a question of.
Temperament there will always be gadflies and potstirrs who fixate
on criticism and grant trust only. Sparingly my, concern, however

(01:02:52):
is with a larger section of the right that has
proved vulnerable to three ideological trends, racialism anti, semitism and. Conspiracism,
again this is a very conservative. Guy, Well, TOM i
right talking about the. Right, okay this is not coming
from the. Left these ideas have trickled into the discourse

(01:03:17):
for some. Years initially they were relegated to the, fringes
but they appear to be entering some corners of mainstream.
Conservatism the last TIME i was In, WASHINGTON i had
dinner with some young staffers who said that, racialism anti,
semitism and conspiracism have gained a foothold among their Gen
z colleagues In. Washington there are obvious problems with these.

(01:03:40):
Ideologies they are predicated on false, histories they reduce politics to,
negation and they provide a mechanism for avoiding. Responsibility while
these ideologies are optimized for online attention and thus make
good business for, influencers they are a disaster in the
realm of practical. POLITICS i think this is a great.
Point and, again just to remind, you these ideological. Trends

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he's talking about, racialism which means thinking about things on
the basis of. Race it's not exactly the same as,
racism but thinking about things on the basis of, race anti,
semitism and. Conspiracism so he, says these do not provide
a viable moral governing philosophy for, institutions and they do

(01:04:25):
not make individual lives. Better in prepare in, particular they
don't prepare young men for the challenges of public, service
the formation of, families and the demands of the. World,
instead they sap energy and stir dark emotions that make
any kind of accomplishment more. Difficult and by the, way
he talks primarily about men in this BECAUSE i think

(01:04:48):
that he thinks and he's probably, right that those ideological
trends that he doesn't like are showing up much more
among among men on the right than women on the.
Right not only men on the, right but more men
on the. Right it might be, tempting he, says to
blame the influencers who peddle these. Ideas looking at, You Tucker,
carlson he didn't say. THAT i said, that or look

(01:05:09):
down on the men who fall for. Them that's a,
mistake he. Says if conservatives hope to become a generational political,
movement we must make a more attractive pitch to the
young people who will be entering institutions and eventually taking leadership.
Roles our, task in other, words is to make responsibility
more attractive than. Conspiracy we should celebrate the people in,

(01:05:34):
politics including officials in The trump, administration who are taking
on the burdens of governance and attempting to reform corrupted.
Institutions they are the boys who have become. Men last.
PARAGRAPH i can understand the fascination with being a. Dissident
it produces feelings of, excitement, romance and a spirit of.
Danger many of the rebels of the woke era assumed

(01:05:57):
enormous risks to take principled. Stamp but politics is about
adapting the real world, conditions and those conditions now require
us to. Change if The right hopes to become a
durable governing force In, america it must instruct its members
how to make the transition from dissident to establishment without
losing the spirit of. COURAGE i like that piece a.

(01:06:20):
Lot it's Called The Conservative movement at A crossroads By
Chris rufo At Christopher arufo dot, com and it was
published just less than a month. Ago AND i don't
want to make too much of, this but to, me
it does tie in a little bit With pambondi's performance

(01:06:41):
in The senate. Yesterday she very very much acts like
she's still in the dissident mode rather than you, know
being serious about professionalizing her own behavior and the department
that she's. RUNNING i, mean even think back to The
epstein thing where she he was asked On Fox news

(01:07:01):
about The epstein files and she, said, oh, yeah it's
all on my desk right, now And i'm going to
be releasing all this. Stuff and then she ended up
calling in some conservative, influencers handing them some huge binders of,
stuff going out in front of her office and doing
a photo op while they hold these big binders and
then it turns out that almost everything in the binders

(01:07:23):
had been previously released into the. Public there was basically nothing.
New the conservative influencers felt, Used what was the purpose
of that By Pam. Bondy what is she doing there
other than pandering to THE maga base that thinks that
The epstein story is. Important it was very. Strange and
then what's going on right now with The Jim comy
prosecution right? Now Clearly Donald trump wants that, prosecution AND

(01:07:47):
i wouldn't Expect pambondy necessarily to defy him and order
THE us attorney not to bring the, case BUT i
would hope that she would tell him at least you're
probably gonna lose, this or you're sure you want to do.
It BUT i bet she. DIDN'T i bet you In

(01:08:07):
this is just one. Example there are many, examples and
The conservatives who are in power right, now The republicans
who are in power right, now really do need to
figure out how to. Govern and the reason is it's
very easy to run from the outside as a, critic
but once you're in charge of, everything, right once you

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have The house and The senate in The White, house
and of, course of course they don't have a filibuster
proof majority in The, senate which is why the government
is still. Closed but Essentially republicans are in. Charge and
if you are in charge but people feel like you're
not governing, properly you can't then run as an outside.
Dissident Maybe trump, could he's kind of special in that,

(01:08:53):
way but obviously he's never running. Again most people can't
get away with. That AND i do think it's incumbent
Upon republicans if they want to win. Things keeping in
mind that The democrats will not always be as screwed
up as they are right. Now The democrats right now
do not provide an interesting alternative at, all but they'll
get their act. Together it might take a, year it

(01:09:15):
might take eight. YEARS i don't, know but they'll get
their act. Together they will be a worthwhile alternative for some.
People and if The republicans have not figured out how to,
govern they're going to be in. Trouble they don't think
that you're talking about let me let me read, It,
Okay if you should throw all eight shots at one time,

(01:09:35):
time you might have better odds of getting one. In
oh that. Hurts. NOW i don't want. TO i don't
want to do eight at, once AND i can't fit
eight pieces of paper in my hand at. Once probably
get two or. Three, Yeah i'll try. Two i'll try.
Too there we. Go, ready not optimistic about, This there we.
Go i'm never an.

Speaker 7 (01:09:52):
Optimist when, dude they both went both went in off
the rim of the Trash, yeah one off the, window
then both into the trash.

Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
Can.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Yeah, wow pretty. Scary we find a new. Skill, okay
so this comes from the Tell me SOMETHING i don't know.
Files this is from our news partners AT Katvr fox thirty.
One according to a new, report you need nearly one
hundred thousand dollars in salary to live comfortably In. Denver

(01:10:24):
Two colorado cities are among the most expensive big cities
in The United states to live. Comfortably some particular website
analyzed the country's fifty largest cities to determine how much
it would cost to live in each, one And denver
came at number, twelve the twelfth most expensive city to
live comfortably, In and then a little further, South Colorado,

(01:10:46):
springs believe it or, not came in at the twentieth
most expensive, city which is actually a little little bit
surprising because not that many years, Ago Colorado springs was
much cheaper Than, denver like half the price Of denver or,
something maybe a little more than, half but not. Now
and so here's some of the data from this particular.
REPORT i haven't gone to verify the. Data the average

(01:11:09):
price of a single family home In denver five hundred
and eighty nine, thousand In Colorado springs four hundred and
sixty three, thousand so that's a lot closer than it
used to. Be the salary needed for basic necessities In
denver sixty four, thousand seven hundred in The springs fifty
four two. Hundred that's just for basic necessities like just

(01:11:31):
to not starve and be able to pay rent or
mortgage or, SOMETHING i, guess or, actually, no that probably
doesn't include your include, home just for your. Necessities salary
needed for comfortable Living denver one hundred and twenty nine,
thousand five hundred, dollars so one hundred and thirty, grand
And Colorado springs one hundred and eight. Grand that's it's

(01:11:52):
kind of, interesting how you, know a lot of people
Said denver's too, expensive or MAYBE i don't Like denver
for other, reasons maybe it's too liberal And i'm not that,
liberal AND i want to live in a. City i'm
gonna go to the, springs and they've been clearly chasing
up the real estate prices by quite a. Lot let
me see if this thing has the entire the entire survey,

(01:12:17):
here SO i can tell you the most expensive and
least expensive. Cities AND i think you won't be surprised
that the most expensive cities are on the. Coast number
one Is San, Jose number two Is San. Francisco theo's
are very near each. Other number three Is San, Diego
number four Is La number five Is New York. City
number six Is Long, Beach number seven Is. Seattle and

(01:12:40):
then just keep going all all of the most expensive
cities until you get To, denver or on the, coasts
and then number twelve Is, Denver. Yaya and then of
the fifty biggest, cities the cheapest places to live Are De, Troit, Memphis, Wichita,

(01:13:03):
Baltimore Oklahoma, city and Then, Tulsa El. Paso i'll stop
there in any. Case. Detroit they, say as compared to
the one hundred and thirty thousand you need to live
comfortably In, denver you need half as much sixty five,
thousand sixty six thousand In, detroit and it's about the
same number In. Memphis then it jumps up to mid

(01:13:25):
seventies For, Wichita, Baltimore Oklahoma, City, tulsa and so. On
BUT i, mean, seriously, like on the one, hand tell
me SOMETHING i don't, know and on the other, hand imagine,
this in order to be as comfortable In San, Jose
california as you are, here you need twice as much,

(01:13:46):
money twice as much And denver's already. Expensive it's pretty,
nuts really. Anyway so that comes from the tell me
SOMETHING i don't. Know. Files there's been just a couple
minutes here on this government shutdown, thing because again it's
still mostly and inside the beltwegh, story And republicans are

(01:14:09):
trying to make it About democrats wanting healthcare for, illegals
And democrats are trying to make it About republicans not
caring about Certain obamacare health insurance premiums going. Up and so,
far it seems to me that the only impact that's
even close to being important on the general public is

(01:14:34):
on air. Travel. Right we've had some flights, delayed we've
had some flights. CANCELED i mentioned to you yesterday That
Burbank airport was without any air traffic controllers for two
or three hours On monday, night which is just not
a thing that's supposed to. Happen you. KNOW dia seems
to be hanging in. There it's a little hard to.
Tell and the other thing that is important to keep

(01:14:55):
in mind when it comes to air traffic control is
that you can have delays or cancelations at the airport
where you're taking a flight from based on problems going
on somewhere. Else, right if your plane is coming from
a place where they don't have an air traffic controller
so it gets delayed or canceled coming out of, there
then your flight is going to be delayed or, canceled

(01:15:16):
even if you've got nothing going on locally that should
have caused the. Problem so we'll, see we'll. See at the.
Moment at the, moment there isn't see to be very
much going on. Publicly both sides are really dug in.
Publicly it seems, like you, know in the back, rooms
there may be some talking going. On trump had said
in public the other day that he was negotiating With,

(01:15:38):
democrats which would Mean Chuck schumer And Hakeem, jeffries but
they both said that's not, true and he's not negotiating
with them at, all AND i think both sides feel
like they have a potential of a political win by
not giving. In The other thing that's interesting here, is,
yeah you can look at the overall polling of who

(01:15:59):
blamed who for, what and the polling is shown so
far that the public on average blames The republicans a
little bit more than they blame The. Democrats but the
bottom line is Every democrat blames The republicans and Every
republican blames The. Democrats and you really just have to
look at how are the independence feeling right, now and
it's a pretty close. Call they don't really. Know and

(01:16:20):
also both sides know that the politics have shutdowns tend
to be short, lasting not long. Lasting so we'll, see we'll.
SEE i think there Are republicans And democrats alike who
behind the scenes would like to sort this. Out but
here's one THING i want to, say And i'm gonna

(01:16:41):
keep coming back to. It the thing That democrats want
where they keep talking about how health insurance premiums are
going to go up for some people On, obamacare and
they definitely, will but what we're talking about is not
Repealing obamacare subsidies or anything like, that but just allowing
to expire temporary subsidy that were put in place DURING,

(01:17:01):
Covid and so if they, expire then the people who
are getting these enhanced subsidies will go from having the
taxpayer picking up something like ninety three percent of their
health insurance premium to picking up eighty percent of their
health insurance. Premium and when you put it that, way

(01:17:21):
it sounds to me like the question shouldn't be should
we go back to paying ninety three? Percent the question
is why the heck are we paying eighty? Percent let
Me i'm gonna stick with the shutdown thing for a.
MINUTE i Know i've done a bit of national politics,
today BUT i did a bunch of local stuff, too
just trying to keep, it keep it all mixed, up
or keep a good blend of. Stuff AND i do

(01:17:42):
Have Leland vidder coming up in the next segment of the,
show which is gonna be. Great SO i shared an
editorial with you yesterday from The Chicago, tribune and that
was about asking how how Can chicago possibly be okay
if they keep letting people out of? Jail who have
repeated convictions for walking around the city and hurting people

(01:18:03):
or just punching random. People and this guy just got
hooked up, again arrested again for doing, that and they
let him out of jail, again you, know for another
three or four weeks until his next. Trial and so
The Chicago tribune is definitely not as leftist as some,
other you, know big city, newspapers was still a fairly liberal.
Newspaper The Washington post is a whole different, thing much

(01:18:27):
further left, generally Although Jeff bezos had said not that
long ago that his goal was to get The Washington
post to be a little bit more. Centrist AND i
think part of it is he thinks it's good. Business
maybe part of is he thinks it's the right thing to.
Do maybe part of it is he doesn't want to
be too aggressively on the wrong side of The trump.
Administration BUT i suspect that a lot of it is

(01:18:48):
the first two, things. Right you, know people have been
turning away from these so called mainstream old line newspapers
because they've been so predictably. Liberals and it's not only
that they're wrong on a lot of, things but it's
boring so when, then even though he's moving in that,

(01:19:09):
direction it's still not a conservative. Paper and when they
came out with this particular op ed or, editorial not
an op. Ed an op ed is written by somebody.
Else this is written by the. Editors and it's entitled
the Shutdown Conversation no one. Wants AND i think it's
not just that this is a remarkable. Note it's remarkable
because it's in The Washington post and Not National review

(01:19:33):
or The Wall Street. Journal and here's what they. Say
as the partial government shutdown enters its second, week neither
party is leveling with The american people about the hard
choices required to get federal spending off of fiscally ruinous.
Trajectory President biden and Congressional democrats USED covid nineteen to
justify chasing the mirage of A european style welfare state

(01:19:53):
without raising the necessary taxes to pay for. It, now
prodded by the, left party leaders have shut down the
government bid to permanently extend what was sold in twenty
twenty one as emergency subsidies to help people struggling during
the pandemic afford health. Insurance President trump and Congressional republicans
were eager to extend tax cuts when they regained control of,

(01:20:14):
government but were unwilling to make deep enough cuts to
pay for. Them the Bill trump signed On july fourth
will reduce spending by one point one trillion dollars over
the next, decade but it's more than offset by four
and a half trillion dollars of tax cuts that will
do little for. GROWTH i don't know IF i agree
with the do little for growth, part but in any,
case stay with me. Here THE us national debt stands
at thirty seven point nine trillion, dollars a figure that

(01:20:37):
dwarfs the annual gross domestic products of every other. Country
it's grown dramatically since the. Pandemic i'm going to skip
ahead just to save a little time. Here gushers have
borrowed money flowed toward expanding food, Stamps, medicaid veterans, benefits
and student debt. Forgiveness rising interest rates compound the. Costs,
ultimately THE us will need to grow its way out

(01:20:59):
of this, debt but fit irresponsibility makes that. Harder, Yet
democrats have demanded That republicans agree to extend THE covid
era insurance subsidies without proposing any way to pay for.
It THE cbo estimates this will cost three hundred and
fifty billion dollars over the next. Decade those temporary benefits
were included in The American Rescue plan Of march twenty twenty,
one and extended the next year in the Misnamed Inflation

(01:21:22):
Reduction act until the end of twenty twenty. Five let
me just interject, here just that bid is three hundred
to fifty. Billion but the other, stuff with the other
stuff That democrats want when they're to reopen the, government
they want to spend a trillion and a half. Dollars
Now i'm going to skip way ahead Because i'm just
about out of time here AND i want to make
sure to get To Leland vandterd on. Time but check this.

(01:21:44):
OUT A Washington post poll found that seventy one percent
Of americans say federal insurance subsidies should be, extended while
twenty nine percent say they should end as. Scheduled they're
just as significantly the question Divides, republicans thirty eight percent
supporting extending them in sixty two percent want them to.
End this is how. Entitlements entitlement programs. Work once you

(01:22:06):
habituate people to some generous government, handout they grow dependent on,
it and it becomes politically, perilous if not, impossible to
fully claw it. Back there's, more But i'm going to
stop there BECAUSE i think that's the point that really
needs to be, made and that's WHY i keep Saying
republicans must not cave in on extending temporary Emergency obamacare

(01:22:33):
subsidies that have only been in place for a few.
Years they must do better at the pr game and
stop Letting democrats convince people that what's happening is something
like the end Of obamacare, itself which would be fine
with me but is not. True i'm so pleased to
welcome back to the show my good Friend Leland. Viddert
he hosts On balance On News nation seven pm weeknights

(01:22:56):
here in The mountain time, zone and it plays again
at ten. Pm, also sure you go To warnoes dot
com and sign up for, that and we are gonna
talk a, bit or maybe more than a bit About
leland's new, book which Is Born, lucky which is published
now so you can buy you can read. IT i
read it already is doing incredibly. Well so we had

(01:23:16):
a lot of stuff to talk about And. Leland thank
you for subscribing to my sub. STACK i saw that
you did.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
That you, know if there was an option to, PAY
i would have BECAUSE i believe it is that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
GOOD i often tell my listeners it's free and probably
worth slightly more than. That all, RIGHT i have lots
of THINGS i want to ask you. Today so you
used to be a foreign. Correspondent you were stationed In
jerusalem for a long time For Fox. News you were
just telling me about the flag that's behind you in
your home office right, now a torn flag from the

(01:23:50):
libbyan revolution when you were. There and my question for
you is does any part of you wish that you
were doing that job right?

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
Now, sure you always wish that you were back with
a small, team running in dangerous, places telling important stories
and getting information that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
No one else can because no one else is.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
There And Inborn, lucky we take you out into the
battlefields of The Middle.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
East it's not the most important part.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Of the, book but there's no other way to really
understand what is happening.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Than being.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
There AND i think there's very little also learned in the.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Second kick of A.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Mule so after about four years of being in The Middle.
EAST i decided THAT i had learned.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
WHAT i could and then needed to come.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Home but if what you're getting at is how important
the story of The Middle east is right?

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Now, yes how?

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Important moral clarity about the story in The Middle east
is Absolutely and the only Way i've gained that moral
clarity was by being.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
There, yeah there are a lot of, aspects a lot
of aspects to, That and PLUS i know this is
not the most important. Thing although you did touch on
it just THE i don't know whether you'd quite call it,
fun but let's say the adventure of, it including the
fact that there's risk involved given everything going on in
The Middle east right. Now, YEAH i was just kind

(01:25:17):
of wondering whether you longed for that a little, bit
not whether you would trade jobs or.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Anything, Well churchill said that the greatest thrill in life
was being shot at without a.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Fact All, RIGHT i have lots of, stuff lots of different.
Topics SO i know you often say that journalists make
terrible media. Critics So i'm going to try to ask
you a question that is more along the line that
you could actually. Answer so shortly After Barry weiss posted
her tremendous interview of you on Her honestly, podcast and,

(01:25:48):
folks if you haven't heard, it just go Find Barry
weiss's podcast and listen to the interview With. Leland shortly after,
that she was announced as editor in chief OF Cbs
news and the guy who is running that whole thing
when he kind of explained, it his focus was on
trust and he, said we aim to make this brand
a brand we can trust. Again AND i would like

(01:26:09):
to know your big picture thoughts about television news and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Trust brust is hard to earn and easily lost without.
Question so, Again i'm not a media. Critic journalist make
lousy media. Critics WHAT i can tell you is WHAT
i do every, day which is try as hard AS

(01:26:34):
i possibly can to be accurate and to be fair and.
Bias somehow we have gotten in this idea that bias
is not having an. Opinion, well let me let me
ask you to check your, pulse and you have an.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
Opinion you have a, pulse therefore you have an. Opinion
therefore you have.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Bias and for those who SAY ai is the, ANSWER
i would just direct them to The pick's The black
nazis the DAY i. Created so bias is not having an.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Opinion it's excluding.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
Opinions and WHAT i try to do every night is
try and not exclude.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
Opinions and that's.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Hard it's both hard to do as a journalist because
you have to be able to play both sides and
bring equal heat to both sides and equal critical.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
Thinking of both, sides regardless of your own.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Opinion and number, two you have to have viewers who
are willing to have their own opinions and their own
closely and sincerely held beliefs. Questioned AND i think WHAT
i would say is an, observation is that you can,
go no matter what your political spectrum, is at nine

(01:27:49):
o'clock at night and watch a cable news show that
will tell you not only exactly what you're thinking is,
right but why you're so brilliant for thinking. It that
is the echo. Chamber that is not WHAT i try
to do every night On News, nation.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Right and you know my listeners, know BECAUSE i say
it when you're not on with, Me, leland that yours
is the best show on not just cable, news here's
the best show on making network that is in any
form of a news. Show and my wife AND i
watch it every, night and you, know, YEAH i would just.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
SAY i would also, say AND i am biased Because
Barry weiss interviewed me and helped Launch more And lucky
the book with that interview and the really excellent. Podcast you,
Said but her interview and her interviewing skills and her
intensity and not just easy, QUESTIONS i thought was extraordinarily.

(01:28:51):
Impressive i've never been interviewed in the same way she interviewed.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Me how about?

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
That, yeah with that level of, intensity, probity, preparation, thoughtfulness, Ever.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
And, YEAH i agree with, you ALTHOUGH i would SAY
i think you embody those things when you interview people
almost all the, time AND i try TO i try
to do the. Same all, right let me switch. Gears
you mentioned this on your, show AND i had never
not really thought about it. Before tell me about what
you've learned and what we need to know about fake

(01:29:27):
books that seem to Say Born lucky on the.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Front it's a funny question because just As Born lucky
was starting to take off On, amazon and we clearly
hit a nerve because this is a book for every
parent of a kid having a hard, time doesn't matter
if IT'S adhd or autism or anxiety or bullying OR
i had one mother told me about how it spoke

(01:29:51):
to herbies her son had a nut, allergy another kid
who would overcome a speech. Impediment this speaks to everybody
and every, parent every parent who has a kid who's
having a hard. Time but as it shot up to
number sixteen On, amazon that included our, long hard fought
and losing battle With bluey The dinosaur.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
On, amazon.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
That there were all of a, sudden dozens of fake
books written BY ai and uploaded To. Amazon so as
we were selling out On, amazon people were buying THE
ai books because it said in stock and they looked
kind of the same in the answer of similar, covers
and on and on and fake. Reviews SO i would

(01:30:37):
get angry emails from people about what trash the book,
was and it turns out they had gotten THE ai
version of some knockoff and they were horribly, angry and rightfully.
So so we had to work through. That for those,
interested born. Lucky right now it says sold out On,
amazon we have gotten forty thousand. Reprinted twenty eight thousand

(01:30:59):
will be At amazon warehouses. Tomorrow so by it, now
don't get into a car. Crash but when you get
to where you're going pull out your, phone get more In,
luck go To Amazon Born, lucky and it'll be there
hopefully before the end of the week if you if
you purchase it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
Now all, right just one one other follow up on.
This does Does amazon have any responsibility and are they
acting like they have any responsibility to prevent these these?
Knockoffs and then all this it's a great it's a great.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
Question they ended up taking them all, down SO i
thought that was really really.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Great but you, know look for for different.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Reasons we had a lot of interest in our, book
and there was it was it was sort of exploding
at that, time So amazon really started paying. ATTENTION i
think what's sad about it is is that this is
how sort of the world is. Working AND i think
for other people who have written books and maybe who
are self published and don't have sort of the resources
we had behind Barn, lucky how hard it would be

(01:32:01):
to try to fight With amazon about which one is
the real, one which one's the fate.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
One, yeah, YEAH i had that same. THOUGHT i wonder
If amazon would have been as aggressive if somebody less
prominent than you were having these. Problems and for folks
who don't know like we didn't say it all that,
much but The leland's Book Born, lucky And i'm going
to summarize in the most general possible, way but about
the challenges that he went through and the things he

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suffered as a, child and then how with the help
of an unbelievable father and other, people he got through
them to get where he is. Today and it's a remarkable.
Story and you won't you won't put it. Down so
That's Born. Lucky you, can As leland, said find it
On amazon Or born luckybook dot. Com and, again if
you don't Know leland's show On balance seven Pm Mountain,

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time and it plays again ten Pm Mountain time On News.
Nation all, right so on yesterday's, show you played a
clip Of Marjorie Taylor green kind of sort of siding
with The democrats on this issue of extending what we're
supposed to be Temporary obamacare subsidies or tax. Credits and you,
know my own opinion on this is If republicans can't

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just allow temporary tax credits to, expire then they're not
really useful for. Much but you had some wider analysis than. That,
now with another few hours to think about it, yourself
what are your.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Thoughts the issue that is going to bring the government
shutdown to either a head or a focal point or.
WHATEVER i, believe if history repeats, itself will be the
same one that did the last, time which is air traffic,

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control because it is the one thing that The american
people don't tolerate is planes either being late or feeling
like there's not their air traffic controllers to keep them
safe in the. Air and that is something that as
soon as it hits and begins to become a pain,
point will change.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
Things and that would be the.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Process THAT i think is going to start happening here
in the next week or. TWO i think that Both
democrats And republicans have a. Point democrats point is made
much better Than republicans when it comes to the government.
Shutdown that's why the polling Shows democrats with the upper
hand And americans Blaming republicans when it Was republicans who

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voted over and over again to keep the government, opening
to keep funding the. Government so facts are testy, things
but in, politics perception is, reality and the perception is
That democrats are somehow fighting against Evil republicans to keep
healthcare across. Slow that may be part of, it but
that is certainly not the entire.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
Story it's part of the Reason i'll SAY i like
your analysis is that about an hour ago on my,
SHOW i was talking about the, shutdown AND i, said
it seems to me that this is very much an
inside the beltwegh, story and most people don't care except
for air, travel and this is the first thing THAT
i think is hitting the public more. Broadly and so you,

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know you AND i picked up the same thing in air.

Speaker 6 (01:35:17):
Travel and if this goes on long.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
Enough that people start getting Their obamacare renewal notices that
have hugely spiked, premiums that is going to put additional
pressure On republicans to come up with or to acknowledge
that there's going to be some kind of.

Speaker 6 (01:35:37):
Picks, now we.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Could take this the next step right, in, say you,
know one more step and.

Speaker 6 (01:35:45):
Go to the point that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
The fact that we're having to Subsidize obamacare or THE
aca to the point that we are proves the point
that we shouldn't Have medicare for all because of the
floating cost of healthcare and how we've been unable to
deal with. It but that's more of a political philosophy
point than it is strictly sort of political analysis of

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what's happening right now IN.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Dc did you happen to see The Washington post editorial
from a few days ago talking, about you, know big
spending and. ENTITLEMENTS i shared a sentence or two with
my listeners a little bit. Earlier once you habituate people
to some generous government, handout they grow dependent on it
and it becomes politically, perilous if not, impossible to fully

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claw it. Back, SO i, MEAN i find that to be.
True but it's also kind of amazing that it's an,
editorial not an op, ed an editorial in The Washington.
Post what do you make of?

Speaker 6 (01:36:42):
That journalists make rousy media.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
CRITICS i think what is interesting about it is is
that it is a true so it has the adverts
of being. True what your point is is that The
Washington Post post is becoming more centrist and.

Speaker 6 (01:37:02):
More free market oriented, dull.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
And that is Because Jeff bezos that owns The Washington
post realized that to borrow a, phrase you can do
this the hard way or the easy, way and That
trump was going to extract an enormous price from him
if The Washington post kept beating him.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
UP i THINK i think you're right all. Right last
last couple of, questions but all kind of sort of
about the same. Thing The Born lucky special With bill.
O'Reilly was that filmed at his? House he was filmed
up In New. York do you often wear cowboy boots?

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Always are you wearing cowboy boots right? Now? Yeah and not? Always?
UH i think you're.

Speaker 6 (01:37:52):
Well, WELL i should say WHEN i have to wear.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
Dress, shoot, YES i always wear cowboy. Boots When i'm
walking around my. HOUSE i either in barefoot OR i
wear flip. Flops is if you're if you're, listeners happen
to be that interested in my?

Speaker 6 (01:38:06):
Footwears we?

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
ARE i don't know what to. Say, no we we definitely.

Speaker 6 (01:38:11):
Are that sounds that sounds like a personal.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Problem, yes, okay last footwear. Question did you learn to
love cowboy boots when you were In? Denver or? Yes? Yes?
Okay last thing for? You AND i think you're the
center of attention a lot, already AND i don't want
you to get you, know a big ego or. Something
so in the context Of Born, lucky, uh tell us

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a little story about not, you but about your awesome
sister who has been a guest on my show more than.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
Once so one of the many THINGS i Think Born
lucky shows is how hard it is on the siblings
of kids who are having a really hard. Time and
my sister's first memory of, me AND i didn't know
this until we started interviewing her and the rest of

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my family for.

Speaker 6 (01:39:04):
The, book is WHEN i was in fifth, grade she
was in.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Kindergarten SO i would walk from my fifth grade classroom
to her kindergarten classroom every day at the end of
school and then pick her.

Speaker 6 (01:39:15):
Up and walk her, home and we'd walk.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
Through the back of the sports fields with this elementary
SCHOOL i went to and then threw the woods into our,
house and she said that her first memory of me
was getting into the woods every day at the back
of the pe fields and starting to, cry and her
holding my hand as we walked home every day cried
because of the bullying and the isolation and the HUMILIATION

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i felt every. Day so EVENTUALLY i got pulled out
of that school in fifth, grade but it was remarkable to,
me AND i put this In Born. Lucky how my
parents never told her about my autism, diagnosis, because in
the words of my, mother they never wanted her to
see me is anything but her. Brother AND i think

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what was remarkable to me is the intensity and the
loyalty she has and the feelings of protection she has towards,
me despite the fact of how she has been so
hurt at times because of. Me you, know when she
was in seventh, GRADE i was in twelfth, grade to
a different, school but the same, school she was called

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the retarded, kids little, sister and a teacher said to,
her we hope you don't turn out like your, Brother
and that to, me really spoke to how for so
many families this is a, struggle and then there's a
feeling of, loneliness not just for the child that's having
a hard, time but for the whole. Family and one

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of the messages From Born lucky is you're not alone
as a family and as a, parent there is so
much you can do to help your. Child there's so
much you can do to help your kid be.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
More your nickname from the time you were very young
has been. Lucky i've got to tell, you are beyond
lucky to have been born into the family that you
were born, into because if you had been born to
some other, family there's a very big chance your story
would not have ended up so well thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Percent and one of the REASONS i wrote Moren. Lucky
the first reason was to give hope to so many
other families with a kid who's having a hard.

Speaker 6 (01:41:29):
Time doesn't matter what it's, with for every parent whose
kids having a hard.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Time but the second reason is ROSS i really wanted
to be able to say thank you to my dad
and have him understand THAT i understood the enormous sacrifice
he made AFTER i got diagnosed with what we now
know to be, autism and to work to adapt me
to the world rather than the world to. Me and
that's Why Born lucky is getting such an incredible, response

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and it's WHY i think people are reading it talking about,
it not because Of Leland, viitterer but because of what
it says about what parents can.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
Do Leland leland vinter is On News nation every. Night
the show is Called On balance every weeknight seven, pm
replay at ten pm here in The mountain time. Zone his,
book which is a really tremendous, read is Called Born.
Lucky you can buy it wherever you buy your, books
or go To born luckybook dot com and again go
To warnoes dot com and sign up there For leland's daily.

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Emails they will make you smarter and you will enjoy them.
Too as, Always, leland thanks so much for making time for.

Speaker 6 (01:42:32):
Us Thanks ross.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
Always, fine all, right take it, easy all, Right? Mandy,
hello did you have you been to your desk? YET i.
DID i saw the.

Speaker 8 (01:42:43):
Peppers i'm going to ME i had already on. Deck this,
Weekend i'm Making thai chili, sauce, okay BECAUSE i grew
a bunch Of thai chilies this, year BECAUSE i like the,
plants SO i have a ton of, those So i'll
figure out what to do with. Yours you, know they
look Like thai, chilies.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
Though they do look Like thai, chili's BUT i believe
they are Technically. Tabasco and they're pretty. Hot they're not
Like hobin yerro, there but they're pretty. Hot, okay they're pretty.
HOT i think you'll take. It judge of. That yes you,
Will yes you. Will what you got coming?

Speaker 8 (01:43:09):
Up we've got Whether, wednesday and then we're going to
talk To Chliff may from The foundation for The defense
Of democracies about whether or Not hamas is going to
take this deal or get their seventy two virgins.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
Awesome everybody stick around For mandy's fabulous. Show i'll talk
to you. Tomorrow