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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jimmy Sangenberger in for Ross Kaminski. Syndicated columnist Ruben Navarette
will join us on the other side, talking about the
peace process in the Middle East and more as we
continue koa momentous day in history, because we do have
the return of all of the surviving hostages still alive
(00:20):
from Hamasa's custody back to Israel. President Trump overnight here
in the US speaking to Israel's parliament for about an hour.
I caught around the first twenty minutes of it, and
here's a taste of the enthusiastic address he brought to Israel.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
To two harrowing years and darkness and captivity, twenty courageous
hostages are returning to the glorious embrace of their families.
And it is glorious. Twenty eight more precious loved ones
are coming home at last to rest of this sacred soil.
(01:02):
For all of time, and after so many years of unceasing.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
War and endless danger.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Today the skies are calm, the guns are silent, the
sirens are still, and the sun rises on a holy
land that is finally at peace, a land and a
region that will live, God willing in peace for all eternity.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Now the president is at a peace summit in Egypt.
I think some thirty five world leaders invited that number
attending the peace conference. Everyone invited being there, signing the
Gaza ceasefire deal, bringing together other countries in this than
just Israel and the Palestinians, particularly Hamas. But how optimistic
(01:55):
should we be at this moment. Let's break it all
down with long time syndicated columnist Ruben Averette, host of
the Ruben in the Center podcast, then averretta nation on
substack where he has his conversations and regular newsletter articles
and more. Ruben, welcome back to Koa, my friend.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Jimmy, great to be with you again. Thanks.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
This is a historic day.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Let's start there with your thoughts on the positive side
of what we are seeing when we have twenty hostages
returned and an end to the fighting at least for now.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
You know, families reunited, people able to go home again.
The idea seeing that the images of parents reuniting with
children after two years they'd never given up hope, It's
impossible not to feel relief and joy and so much
happiness for those families. So I think there's a lot
of positive there I think the apprehension comes from what's next,
(02:56):
what's tomorrow. Today should be about celebration, but there's tomorrow,
and tomorrow brings lots of unanswered questions about the future
security of the region. What guarantees to Israelis have is
this won't happen again. And in fact, you know, while
people were talking about disarming Hamas, is that even a
possibility of whatever really happened?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
And that is the question everybody's asking, and I have
some I'm sort of going back and forth on this
a little bit, Reuben, because on the one hand, it's
Hamas they have in their charter the affirmation that they
are all about eradicating Israel from the face of the earth.
But at the same time, we do have an involvement
(03:38):
with Trump of the Middle Eastern countries, other Arab countries
that are supportive of the Palestinians, that are involved in
this process in a way that I'm not sure we've
seen quite to this extent before. And if he continues
to work diplomatically in this way, do you think that
could be helpful to getting things in the direction that
(04:01):
will be necessary in order to have some kind of
long term piece.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Well, you said it if, and so to give all
creds President Trump. He has brought a unique kind of
Trumpian diplomacy to the region that probably doesn't work anywhere
else but seems to work there. You know, he speaks
the language of that chaotic region, a chaotic president, a
chaotic region. And I think it's silly for the liberal
media to try to give credit beyond this to the
(04:27):
Biden administration, and talking to former members of the Bide administration,
all creds to Trump. This is his victory. Having said that,
you said it if. I think the President has shown
in the past an incredibly short attention span for things
like this, and he tends to speak in absolute terms.
It's crazy, ridiculous to say, you know, we've brought peace
to the Middle East. The Middle East is a big place,
(04:49):
a complicated and chaotic place. Yeah, And I don't think
anybody believes that this is peace in the Middle East.
This is a good day with a good victory. But
I think the president's being overly optimistic. And you know,
I don't think Trump will be there in a week
or in a month, six months, will beyond to something else.
And everybody I've heard from this morning, all the experts
say this is going to be a long, long journey,
(05:10):
and what do we know we our president. I mean,
he's not good at long long journeys.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I don't know if that's entirely something I would agree
with you on Ruben, neveratdy And here's why. In his
first term, President Trump went overseas to Rihadd Saudi Arabia
as his very first overseas visit.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
He met with the King of Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
He spoke in a barnstorming address where he called out
terrorism and said push them out and so forth, as
his first address, laying the groundworks then for the Abraham Accords,
which was such a big plank throughout his first term.
And my view is that his second term in all
the Middle Eastern policy is more than anything built.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Around expanding the Abraham.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Accords and resolving this war in Gaza and getting something
long term would seem to be a big part in
making that happen. And so we have this going back
to twenty seventeen when he first took office.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I think he actually has some more.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Long term visions for the Middle East, and maybe that's
because of some of the people that he surrounded himself
with maybe because it's because of the reputation of the
Abraham Accords, but I at least think that there's some
cause to think he's going to be focused on this,
perhaps throughout the rest of his term.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
So I take your point. And one of the big
piece of evidence that bolsters your point is the involvement
of Jared Kushner, the President's son in law. Yes, and
the fact that you know, as long as he's in
the President's life that this is going to be an
issue that is important to Jared and important to the President.
What I would offer the counterpoint is what happened to
the conflict between Russia and Ukraine. If you track where
(06:49):
the president has been with regards to Russia and Ukraine,
he's all over the map. He's been all over the map,
and there are moments where he seems to be very
close to Russia, very far from Russia, to other moments
close to Ukraine, apartment from Ukraine. And now the general
sense that I and others have is that he thought
this was so much more complicated to get a peace
deal between Russia and Ukraine. He eventually just gave up
after the Alaska summit, focused all his attention on the
(07:11):
Middle East. So if you're looking at them the point
of view of the Abraham Acords, you can make the
point that this is the president who can play the
long game. But if you're looking at it from Kiev
and from Ukraine, not so much. Not so much. This
is a president who who says something moved on to
something else. Ten minutes ago, he was fighting inflation, he
was going to cure inflation, he was going to get
rid of it. Now we never hear the eyeword from him,
(07:33):
We never hear about inflation. The president likes victory, doesn't
like defeat, doesn't like step backs, and when he gets
a step back, he gets frustrated, and then he gets distracted.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, I do think there's a lot of truth to that.
Particularly Russia and Ukraine is a great example. I wonder
if though, he was trying to approach Putin in a
certain way and realized it was much more frustrating, and
then he started talking tougher because of a recognition that, Okay,
(08:04):
the attempt to get Putin to play ball by being
nice isn't working. And I mean, you see the tougher
rhetoric of late on Ukraine. Do you think that this
notion that Trump has. He says, now I'm eight for eight.
He's keeping track of peace deals. In fact, I want
you to respond in this context, Molly Hemingways saying this
and Fox.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
But it's just just interesting that we so often have
presidents who seem to focus on wars that they've entered
or how they're waging war, and this president really seems
to have a hunger for peace and brags about how
many peace treaties he can get signed and how many
peaceful arrangements can happen.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
And it's a big difference.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Could he look at Russia and Ukraine as another one
on the scoreboard of peace that might incentivize him to
get a deal?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Well, I think we need to go back to a
smidch orhere we talk about the president.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Seem to have lost Ruben Nevarrette, or at least that
connection for just a moment.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
We'll get him back again.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
He is syndicated columnists as we talk about what's happening
in the Middle East and Russia Ukraine. I mean, this
is a presidency that's supposed to be all about peace,
that is in their mind on the foreign policy stage,
setting that standard of we don't actually want war, although
(09:25):
they've changed the department name to Department of War from
Department of Defense. But that's because we want to deter
war and we want to end war as quickly. And
that's what the Trump administration is all about, is ending
wars and bringing about peace. We have Ruben Neverette back
with us. Ruben, please pick up where you were.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
So just quickly. I was just saying that as a
member of the Babyboam generation, it's been clear as you
watch President Trump the last ten years, this is somebody
who doesn't like war, who creates peace, who doesn't like conflict,
doesn't want foreign entanglements. And I think it comes from
his upbringing and it comes from his roots in that generation.
Having said that, we have to be careful with this
eight for eight business. If you can look at one
of the eight cases is the president likes to take
(10:07):
credit for ending the war between India and Pakistan. That's
a stretch. Okay, you can oversell this stuff and maybe
just overly cynical and pessimistic, but there are a lot
of people, got a lot of points on that board
of conflicts that are not fixed with a band aid.
Stuck there. Those two countries still don't like each other,
don't trust each other. They're going to come back and
(10:27):
fight again. And so I think that's what we have
to really think about. It's back why I said about
the Middle East. It's easy to say, well, you know
we fixed the Middle East. Well that was easy, right.
The only problem is this is not an area that
is easily fixable. You now have a generation of Israelis
who hate Palestinians, and not just hate Hamats with justification,
but have a resentment and distrust with the Palestinian people
(10:49):
because it was Palestinian quote civilians who hid the hostages
in their homes right, and who cheered the attack of
ten seven. In the other direction, you have people coming
back to the Gaza. The place has been leveled. There
is no more Gaza. They hate the Israelis and so
over that that hate and that thirst revengeance is going
to last to me a long long time. I don't
care what the President says about mission accomplished, Okay, a
(11:13):
big banner overhead mentioned accomplished. Not so quick, not so fast.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Rubin never had a joining us on the program. I
do want to shift gears. We just got a few
minutes left with you. Another aspect on the foreign affairs
stage has to do with trade. And I think I
got about this part of a clip from JD Vance yesterday.
We'll see if I got the right starting point. But
take a listen to a piece of him discussing China
and trade.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Well, then Donald Trump is always to be was always
willing to be a reasonable negotiator. We're going to find
out a lot in the weeks to come about whether
China wants to start a trade war with us or
whether they actually want to be reasonable.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I don't know, Rubin last night checked President Trump started
a trade war with China that has consistently escalated, ADDIE's
exercising power. That's now before the Supreme Court that I
think is going to rule against him on this. But
what do you make of the latest with regards to China?
Hundred tariff in place on top of everything else already
in place November first, and all the rest.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
You know, JD's the slippery one, right. You caught that
I caught that it wasn't China started this war. You
could argue, as the president who started this war and
also declared war on Canada and other countries, friendly country
allies and the kid. We have maybe over the Canadian thing,
but the Canadians are not over it. You know, they
clearly feel that they're at war with us. And so
this is, by farge, I mean, one of the weak
(12:33):
spots of the president's entire agenda and his record. The
fact that he handled the tariffs so badly that he
put them on, took them off, put them on, took
them off, the fact that it was so erradic the
fact that at some point he had twenty different justifications
for putting on tariffs, including at one point is if
I don't like the leader you've chosen in this country,
you're not doing enough to back to your president, I'm
(12:54):
going to come in and post tariff. So using tariffs
for political reasons, you know. Milton Friedman, Ronald Reagan another
spinning in their graves, thinking this is not why conservatives,
you know, are are thought to be good on economic issues.
And lastly, the Democrats that's how Rubon got to be
in the center. I really detest both parties at this time,
and I have for a long time. And the Democrats
are completely paralyzed because they support the tariffs. The unions
(13:16):
want the tariffs, and the unions control the Democrat Party,
and so the Democrats can't hit the president on the
one spot where he should be hit. So it's a
broken government. This is why Ruben's in the center. I
don't trust any of them anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
One last thing, Ruben, now rat and let's talk about
the possible use of the Insurrection Act. Here's one more
bit of JD Vance and the Sunday Shows yesterday.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
Is there a rebellion here? That's what would trigger an
Insurrection Act?
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Is it imminent?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Christen?
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Crime is down in Chicago and Portland often because they're
so overwhelmed at the local level they're not even keeping.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
The statistics properly.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Just a couple of weeks ago, we had an ice
office get shot at by a far left assassin who
was trying to kill our law enforcement officers. He fortunately
didn't kill law enforcement officers, he did kill some other
innocent people in the process. We cannot allow the far
left in this country to tee off on our law
enforcement officers. We've got to do something about it. And
(14:13):
that's all the president's talking about.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
When President Trump used the National Guard on a limited
basis earlier this year in Los Angeles, a judge struck
that down.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Do you think that.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
The Trump administration might actually try to proceed with the
Insurrection Act and say Chicago or Portland.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Looks like we've got that audio issue once more.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Jimmy Sangenberger here with you, Rubin Avorette, our guest.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
When we look at JD.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Vance and his explanation here, I think he's right to
point out that you have this violence against federal officers
and so forth. But does that mean that you have
the fact remain Rather, does that mean that you have
the National Guard go into a city like this and
(15:07):
subvert the authority of the local or state officials.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Rubin Averrede joining us again, Ruben, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Well, what I was saying was the founders went to
a great deal of trouble, and the courts of last
two d and fifty years have gone to a great
deal of trouble. Jimmy, to differentiate between what we call authority,
that the City of Chicago police department versus federal law enforcement,
the National Regular Army troops, they all have different roles
(15:36):
to play, and they're not interchangeable. They're not supposed to
be interchangeable. So that's been the problem all along, and
that's the problem with the Insurrection Act. It does look
like you said, in that direction, it's going to be very,
very complicated, dangerous people we have heard of. Much of
this will be declared unconstitutional. It's clearly where he wants
to go, but you know, the Constitution and two undred
(15:57):
fifty years of tradition history says he can't go there.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Ruben never had a host of Ruben in the center,
long time syndicated columnists. Thanks for joining us and offering
your perspective today, Jimmy, thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
You bet
Jimmy Sangenberger in for Ross Kaminski. Syndicated columnist Ruben Navarette
will join us on the other side, talking about the
peace process in the Middle East and more as we
continue koa momentous day in history, because we do have
the return of all of the surviving hostages still alive
(00:20):
from Hamasa's custody back to Israel. President Trump overnight here
in the US speaking to Israel's parliament for about an hour.
I caught around the first twenty minutes of it, and
here's a taste of the enthusiastic address he brought to Israel.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
To two harrowing years and darkness and captivity, twenty courageous
hostages are returning to the glorious embrace of their families.
And it is glorious. Twenty eight more precious loved ones
are coming home at last to rest of this sacred soil.
(01:02):
For all of time, and after so many years of unceasing.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
War and endless danger.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Today the skies are calm, the guns are silent, the
sirens are still, and the sun rises on a holy
land that is finally at peace, a land and a
region that will live, God willing in peace for all eternity.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Now the president is at a peace summit in Egypt.
I think some thirty five world leaders invited that number
attending the peace conference. Everyone invited being there, signing the
Gaza ceasefire deal, bringing together other countries in this than
just Israel and the Palestinians, particularly Hamas. But how optimistic
(01:55):
should we be at this moment. Let's break it all
down with long time syndicated columnist Ruben Averette, host of
the Ruben in the Center podcast, then averretta nation on
substack where he has his conversations and regular newsletter articles
and more. Ruben, welcome back to Koa, my friend.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Jimmy, great to be with you again. Thanks.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
This is a historic day.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Let's start there with your thoughts on the positive side
of what we are seeing when we have twenty hostages
returned and an end to the fighting at least for now.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
You know, families reunited, people able to go home again.
The idea seeing that the images of parents reuniting with
children after two years they'd never given up hope, It's
impossible not to feel relief and joy and so much
happiness for those families. So I think there's a lot
of positive there I think the apprehension comes from what's next,
(02:56):
what's tomorrow. Today should be about celebration, but there's tomorrow,
and tomorrow brings lots of unanswered questions about the future
security of the region. What guarantees to Israelis have is
this won't happen again. And in fact, you know, while
people were talking about disarming Hamas, is that even a
possibility of whatever really happened?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
And that is the question everybody's asking, and I have
some I'm sort of going back and forth on this
a little bit, Reuben, because on the one hand, it's
Hamas they have in their charter the affirmation that they
are all about eradicating Israel from the face of the earth.
But at the same time, we do have an involvement
(03:38):
with Trump of the Middle Eastern countries, other Arab countries
that are supportive of the Palestinians, that are involved in
this process in a way that I'm not sure we've
seen quite to this extent before. And if he continues
to work diplomatically in this way, do you think that
could be helpful to getting things in the direction that
(04:01):
will be necessary in order to have some kind of
long term piece.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Well, you said it if, and so to give all
creds President Trump. He has brought a unique kind of
Trumpian diplomacy to the region that probably doesn't work anywhere
else but seems to work there. You know, he speaks
the language of that chaotic region, a chaotic president, a
chaotic region. And I think it's silly for the liberal
media to try to give credit beyond this to the
(04:27):
Biden administration, and talking to former members of the Bide administration,
all creds to Trump. This is his victory. Having said that,
you said it if. I think the President has shown
in the past an incredibly short attention span for things
like this, and he tends to speak in absolute terms.
It's crazy, ridiculous to say, you know, we've brought peace
to the Middle East. The Middle East is a big place,
(04:49):
a complicated and chaotic place. Yeah, And I don't think
anybody believes that this is peace in the Middle East.
This is a good day with a good victory. But
I think the president's being overly optimistic. And you know,
I don't think Trump will be there in a week
or in a month, six months, will beyond to something else.
And everybody I've heard from this morning, all the experts
say this is going to be a long, long journey,
(05:10):
and what do we know we our president. I mean,
he's not good at long long journeys.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I don't know if that's entirely something I would agree
with you on Ruben, neveratdy And here's why. In his
first term, President Trump went overseas to Rihadd Saudi Arabia
as his very first overseas visit.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
He met with the King of Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
He spoke in a barnstorming address where he called out
terrorism and said push them out and so forth, as
his first address, laying the groundworks then for the Abraham Accords,
which was such a big plank throughout his first term.
And my view is that his second term in all
the Middle Eastern policy is more than anything built.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Around expanding the Abraham.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Accords and resolving this war in Gaza and getting something
long term would seem to be a big part in
making that happen. And so we have this going back
to twenty seventeen when he first took office.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I think he actually has some more.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Long term visions for the Middle East, and maybe that's
because of some of the people that he surrounded himself
with maybe because it's because of the reputation of the
Abraham Accords, but I at least think that there's some
cause to think he's going to be focused on this,
perhaps throughout the rest of his term.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
So I take your point. And one of the big
piece of evidence that bolsters your point is the involvement
of Jared Kushner, the President's son in law. Yes, and
the fact that you know, as long as he's in
the President's life that this is going to be an
issue that is important to Jared and important to the President.
What I would offer the counterpoint is what happened to
the conflict between Russia and Ukraine. If you track where
(06:49):
the president has been with regards to Russia and Ukraine,
he's all over the map. He's been all over the map,
and there are moments where he seems to be very
close to Russia, very far from Russia, to other moments
close to Ukraine, apartment from Ukraine. And now the general
sense that I and others have is that he thought
this was so much more complicated to get a peace
deal between Russia and Ukraine. He eventually just gave up
after the Alaska summit, focused all his attention on the
(07:11):
Middle East. So if you're looking at them the point
of view of the Abraham Acords, you can make the
point that this is the president who can play the
long game. But if you're looking at it from Kiev
and from Ukraine, not so much. Not so much. This
is a president who who says something moved on to
something else. Ten minutes ago, he was fighting inflation, he
was going to cure inflation, he was going to get
rid of it. Now we never hear the eyeword from him,
(07:33):
We never hear about inflation. The president likes victory, doesn't
like defeat, doesn't like step backs, and when he gets
a step back, he gets frustrated, and then he gets distracted.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, I do think there's a lot of truth to that.
Particularly Russia and Ukraine is a great example. I wonder
if though, he was trying to approach Putin in a
certain way and realized it was much more frustrating, and
then he started talking tougher because of a recognition that, Okay,
(08:04):
the attempt to get Putin to play ball by being
nice isn't working. And I mean, you see the tougher
rhetoric of late on Ukraine. Do you think that this
notion that Trump has. He says, now I'm eight for eight.
He's keeping track of peace deals. In fact, I want
you to respond in this context, Molly Hemingways saying this
and Fox.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
But it's just just interesting that we so often have
presidents who seem to focus on wars that they've entered
or how they're waging war, and this president really seems
to have a hunger for peace and brags about how
many peace treaties he can get signed and how many
peaceful arrangements can happen.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
And it's a big difference.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Could he look at Russia and Ukraine as another one
on the scoreboard of peace that might incentivize him to
get a deal?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Well, I think we need to go back to a
smidch orhere we talk about the president.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Seem to have lost Ruben Nevarrette, or at least that
connection for just a moment.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
We'll get him back again.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
He is syndicated columnists as we talk about what's happening
in the Middle East and Russia Ukraine. I mean, this
is a presidency that's supposed to be all about peace,
that is in their mind on the foreign policy stage,
setting that standard of we don't actually want war, although
(09:25):
they've changed the department name to Department of War from
Department of Defense. But that's because we want to deter
war and we want to end war as quickly. And
that's what the Trump administration is all about, is ending
wars and bringing about peace. We have Ruben Neverette back
with us. Ruben, please pick up where you were.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
So just quickly. I was just saying that as a
member of the Babyboam generation, it's been clear as you
watch President Trump the last ten years, this is somebody
who doesn't like war, who creates peace, who doesn't like conflict,
doesn't want foreign entanglements. And I think it comes from
his upbringing and it comes from his roots in that generation.
Having said that, we have to be careful with this
eight for eight business. If you can look at one
of the eight cases is the president likes to take
(10:07):
credit for ending the war between India and Pakistan. That's
a stretch. Okay, you can oversell this stuff and maybe
just overly cynical and pessimistic, but there are a lot
of people, got a lot of points on that board
of conflicts that are not fixed with a band aid.
Stuck there. Those two countries still don't like each other,
don't trust each other. They're going to come back and
(10:27):
fight again. And so I think that's what we have
to really think about. It's back why I said about
the Middle East. It's easy to say, well, you know
we fixed the Middle East. Well that was easy, right.
The only problem is this is not an area that
is easily fixable. You now have a generation of Israelis
who hate Palestinians, and not just hate Hamats with justification,
but have a resentment and distrust with the Palestinian people
(10:49):
because it was Palestinian quote civilians who hid the hostages
in their homes right, and who cheered the attack of
ten seven. In the other direction, you have people coming
back to the Gaza. The place has been leveled. There
is no more Gaza. They hate the Israelis and so
over that that hate and that thirst revengeance is going
to last to me a long long time. I don't
care what the President says about mission accomplished, Okay, a
(11:13):
big banner overhead mentioned accomplished. Not so quick, not so fast.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Rubin never had a joining us on the program. I
do want to shift gears. We just got a few
minutes left with you. Another aspect on the foreign affairs
stage has to do with trade. And I think I
got about this part of a clip from JD Vance yesterday.
We'll see if I got the right starting point. But
take a listen to a piece of him discussing China
and trade.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Well, then Donald Trump is always to be was always
willing to be a reasonable negotiator. We're going to find
out a lot in the weeks to come about whether
China wants to start a trade war with us or
whether they actually want to be reasonable.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I don't know, Rubin last night checked President Trump started
a trade war with China that has consistently escalated, ADDIE's
exercising power. That's now before the Supreme Court that I
think is going to rule against him on this. But
what do you make of the latest with regards to China?
Hundred tariff in place on top of everything else already
in place November first, and all the rest.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
You know, JD's the slippery one, right. You caught that
I caught that it wasn't China started this war. You
could argue, as the president who started this war and
also declared war on Canada and other countries, friendly country
allies and the kid. We have maybe over the Canadian thing,
but the Canadians are not over it. You know, they
clearly feel that they're at war with us. And so
this is, by farge, I mean, one of the weak
(12:33):
spots of the president's entire agenda and his record. The
fact that he handled the tariffs so badly that he
put them on, took them off, put them on, took
them off, the fact that it was so erradic the
fact that at some point he had twenty different justifications
for putting on tariffs, including at one point is if
I don't like the leader you've chosen in this country,
you're not doing enough to back to your president, I'm
(12:54):
going to come in and post tariff. So using tariffs
for political reasons, you know. Milton Friedman, Ronald Reagan another
spinning in their graves, thinking this is not why conservatives,
you know, are are thought to be good on economic issues.
And lastly, the Democrats that's how Rubon got to be
in the center. I really detest both parties at this time,
and I have for a long time. And the Democrats
are completely paralyzed because they support the tariffs. The unions
(13:16):
want the tariffs, and the unions control the Democrat Party,
and so the Democrats can't hit the president on the
one spot where he should be hit. So it's a
broken government. This is why Ruben's in the center. I
don't trust any of them anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
One last thing, Ruben, now rat and let's talk about
the possible use of the Insurrection Act. Here's one more
bit of JD Vance and the Sunday Shows yesterday.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
Is there a rebellion here? That's what would trigger an
Insurrection Act?
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Is it imminent?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Christen?
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Crime is down in Chicago and Portland often because they're
so overwhelmed at the local level they're not even keeping.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
The statistics properly.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Just a couple of weeks ago, we had an ice
office get shot at by a far left assassin who
was trying to kill our law enforcement officers. He fortunately
didn't kill law enforcement officers, he did kill some other
innocent people in the process. We cannot allow the far
left in this country to tee off on our law
enforcement officers. We've got to do something about it. And
(14:13):
that's all the president's talking about.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
When President Trump used the National Guard on a limited
basis earlier this year in Los Angeles, a judge struck
that down.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Do you think that.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
The Trump administration might actually try to proceed with the
Insurrection Act and say Chicago or Portland.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Looks like we've got that audio issue once more.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Jimmy Sangenberger here with you, Rubin Avorette, our guest.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
When we look at JD.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Vance and his explanation here, I think he's right to
point out that you have this violence against federal officers
and so forth. But does that mean that you have
the fact remain Rather, does that mean that you have
the National Guard go into a city like this and
(15:07):
subvert the authority of the local or state officials.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Rubin Averrede joining us again, Ruben, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Well, what I was saying was the founders went to
a great deal of trouble, and the courts of last
two d and fifty years have gone to a great
deal of trouble. Jimmy, to differentiate between what we call authority,
that the City of Chicago police department versus federal law enforcement,
the National Regular Army troops, they all have different roles
(15:36):
to play, and they're not interchangeable. They're not supposed to
be interchangeable. So that's been the problem all along, and
that's the problem with the Insurrection Act. It does look
like you said, in that direction, it's going to be very,
very complicated, dangerous people we have heard of. Much of
this will be declared unconstitutional. It's clearly where he wants
to go, but you know, the Constitution and two undred
(15:57):
fifty years of tradition history says he can't go there.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Ruben never had a host of Ruben in the center,
long time syndicated columnists. Thanks for joining us and offering
your perspective today, Jimmy, thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
You bet
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