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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am very pleased to welcome back to the show
Alex de mill and Alex has been on a time
or two in the past and previously with his dad,
Nelson de mill An, absolutely legendary thriller writer, and they've
written some things together, Nelson being the sort of traditional
(00:20):
book writer and Alex being a screenwriter, a movie and
TV writer more.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
But they partner together.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
On books and the newest book is called The Ten Men,
and it's a wonderful book. And we'll talk about the
book more in a moment. But during the process of
writing this book, Nelson, who was not a young dude,
even the previous.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Time that I talked with him, he got sick.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
He passed away, and Alex finished the book and I
so first, Alex, I just wanted to say, you know,
I'm sorry. I you know your dad's and his I mean,
we weren't buddies, but I was in email contact with
him from time to time. It just seemed like an
incredible person and I just wanted to express my condolences.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Thank you, Ross, I appreciate that. It good to be
with you again.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Just a little a little more on working with your dad,
and then we'll get we'll get into the book, but.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Tell us what it was like.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So these characters, Scott Brody and Maggie Taylor of characters
who been in I don't know how many books, but
I've read them multiple times in multiple books.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
And tell me a.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Little about starting the book with your dad, tell me
a little bit about finishing the book without your dad,
and then we'll talk more about the plot of the
book and all that.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Sure, Yes, this is the third book with Scott Brody
and Maggie Taylor The Person The Deserter in twenty nineteen.
The follow up was Pluglines in twenty twenty three. This
is the third book with them. And yeah, basically this
book was not supposed to come out this year. I
wasn't even supposed to write it when I did, but
because he got sick, we decided to switch the schedule
(02:02):
around a little bit. So I actually began the book
after he became ill and started getting treatment for esophageal
So it was kind of cast a Paul over the
whole thing. But he and I come up with the
premise together the prior year, so I feel like we
had a pretty good foundation going into it. And you know,
(02:25):
it was tricky it was. It was a really, really
hard the context I wished to write a novel, so
I'll say that. But I think we had a really
solid foundation because we worked so closely on the first two.
I like I got some sort of intense masterclass from
a very accomplished writer, so I felt I felt well
equipped to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
And you you talked a little bit about this in
I don't remember if it was the forward or at
the end.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I think it was in the foreword.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
But you know, at some point your dad couldn't help
anymore and you just up and ran with it from
theres tell tell me a little more about that.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah, you know, I was working on it. I didn't
want to. I didn't The last thing I wanted was
for him to be focusing on work. But at some
point I realized that he actually liked, liked it and
needed it, and he needed something to focus on.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So I was. I was sending a chapters. You know.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
He was slower to get back and usual, partly because
you know, he was a he was a perfectionist to
the end, and he would wait until he had a
good day, and that's when he would read and I'd
get I'd get notes back from him, and they would
be as sharp as they ever were. But then you know,
he got a chemo treatment and then he'd be yeah,
I got with a count for a week or two,
and so it kind of stretched the process out, and
eventually I still sent some stuff, but I kind of
(03:40):
knew that he wasn't going to read any more of
the book. Frankly, I kind of I could see, I
could see where things were going, and it was it
was hard, you know, the once he passed away and
I still had a chunk of the book to write,
and obvious, you know, dealing with grief and everything. And surprisingly,
(04:05):
the process of finishing his book was a kind of
a kind of an appropriate way of grieving. And it's
sort of I wouldn't say it distracted me and actually
made me focus on him and him and his memory.
And I didn't have him as a co writer and
I was an editor anymore. So instead I was just
kind of kind of crafting into my head what would
what would he think of this? What do you say
(04:25):
about that?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, so I.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Was in a way kind of kind of communing with
him and imagine the conversations and recall the conversations about
over the course of the other two books in the
portion of this book. So it was it was emotionally
difficult but also really kind of rewarding process.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, I can I can imagine that we're talking with
Alex Demil about the new book that he and his dad,
Nelson co wrote. It's called The Ten Men, and it
is a really fun read. I wasn't sure what to
expect going into it, like in the first chapter or two,
where's this going?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
What's this about? And then I found myself.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
This is one of those books where I feel like
I need to tell the author you made me a
little tired at work because I couldn't put the book down.
So I kept I stayed up late for a few
nights in a row reading the book because I just
couldn't put it down. And I thoroughly enjoyed it. And
especially this is more of a personal thing, but like
I got just some annoying things going on in my life,
not terrible things, but annoying things.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
And I was really in a mood for a book
that would take take me away.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Distract me, be fun, and and this was that for me,
and so I just I loved it.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I really did.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah, you know, the highest compliment is getting here from
readers to say they didn't they didn't get off of sleep.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Because of your a book.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So the tin Men, I'm not. I don't want to,
you know, spoil anything.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
So The tin Men is basically about the US government
thinking about how to use humanoid robots that are powered
with some level of artificial intelligence and some of the
risks that.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Could come about.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I'm going to leave it to you to spoil as
much as you want to spoil about the plot. I
don't think that's that's my role, So I try to
not say too much at this point in the conversation
about what the book is.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah, at the heart of it, it's a murder mystery
at a very isolated, high stress environment. It's a fictional
army camp set out deep in the Mohave Desert, and
our main characters are two of our army detectives are
sent there because the scientist was murdered by what they
only know of it as a quote unquote lethal autonomous weapon.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
And once they get there, they.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Start to realize the full scope of the kind of
secretive work that goes on there, the basis of which
is war games between a human altitude of Army rangers
and these next generation weapons that have their own autonomy, yes,
some degree of artificial intelligence, and how intelligent they are
or not, as sort of complaint detention in the book,
(07:08):
but really it was about this kind of remarkable secretive
work being done and what it does to the people
that are there, and of course all the things that
could potentially go wrong, and they're they're, they're they're out
in the middle of nowhere trying to figure out what
went wrong if there was a human hand into it,
and of everybody that could be a suspect. I think
(07:30):
of a little bit of a closed circle mystery. You know,
you're inside of a mansion. Somebody in this in this
house is the killer, except we're in a we're an
army camp in the middle of the desert with right
artian environment, right.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
One of the things that I found interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
So I didn't serve in the military, but both my
parents did, and I lived on and around military basis
for most of my childhood and knew lots of military people.
And my recollection is that your dad served in the military.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Yes, he was an infantry lieutenant in the Army he
served the year of combat in Vietnam in nineteen sixty eight,
which was the worst year of the war.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, right, you know what funny, just just a little tangent.
My friend Jack Carr, who you might know, just set
his new novel in the Vietnam War in nineteen sixty
eight because it was the bloodiest year of the Vietnam War.
So it's very interesting that you mentioned that. That's when
you're actually, yeah, yeah, I just started it. Actually, it's fabulous,
(08:28):
it's fabulous. I read it either right before right after
your book. They're both great. So anyway, anyway, what kind
of jumped out at me. One of the things that
jumped out at me in The Ten Men is the
dialogue and the mindset of the Army rangers who are there.
I thought that was really interesting and well done. Not
(08:49):
that I'm an Army ranger and not that I know
for sure, but I thought it gave what seemed to
me like a very realistic reaction to a hypothetical sinne
where army rangers are fighting intelligent machines.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
It was a challenge because you're taking people who are
at the top of their game, at the top of
their their prowess in this elite unit, and you still
have to show them as being kind of ground down.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
So what what does it take to do that to
guys like that?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
So it was it was sort of it was it
was interesting to to build them up and then build
up their adversary. So everything was at this, like at
a heightened level of stakes, and ultimately their vulnerabilities are
what makes them human, and I tried to I tried
to kind of get that across too. You know that
with our being human comes with strengths and it comes
(09:44):
with weaknesses, but they are all kind of what we
we value in ourselves. So I wanted to show that
there's this real psychological cost to what was happening with them.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
We're talking with Alex Demil about his new thriller novel
called The Ten men uh Co, written with his dad,
Nelson Mill, who passed away during the during the writing
of the book. There's a scene roughly in the middle
of the book where there's a conversation with one of
(10:14):
the with one of the robots and the robot. The
robot goes by the name Bucky because the robots are
kind of named for baseball players, and it's a really
interesting conversation. I'm just going to quote a little I'm
gonna try to explain to you what death is, said Morgan,
because you can't possibly understand it. Specialist Daniel Kemp was
(10:35):
born twenty years ago. You've only existed for a single year,
give or take, so that amount of time might not
be fathomable. Fathomable to you. Twenty years ago, for instance,
nightmares like you were.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
The subject of speculative.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Fiction books and movies about horror and fear and how we,
through technology might lose our own humanity and struggle to
regain it. Do you understand any of what I'm saying?
And I'll stop there. What kind of sort of replies,
But that's one of those things. It sounds a little
bit to me like like Alex Demil speaking to me
(11:07):
rather than you know, this particular character in the book speaking.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
To a robot.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, yeah, I can.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I can definitely see that it is, because because really
kind of the challenge of writing this book was we
were not writing a science fiction book.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
So what do we know about what is real now?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
And how do we kind of project like five minutes
in the future to imagine where we where we might
be tomorrow. So yeah, the twenty years, the whole world
has changed me. We've all experienced this in the last
few years of AI too. To me, it's been really
disorienting how quickly AI has developed, how quickly it's gone,
(11:48):
for me, this fringe thing to being a main source
of conversation to being this thing that we end up
just using thoughtlessly every day of our lives. Here, we
don't mean to every time you use Google unless you
go out of your way to turn it off, it's
using aar So, yeah, it was, it was. It was
trying to You're right, I was. I was having my
own kind of personal reaction to this stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
And then if you if you kind of create this robot,
you you get to kind of interrogate your own your
own fears inside your book, which is fun.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, I mean, folks, the ten men. Uh, this is
going to be a little bit not exactly accurate. But
if you imagine a combination of a murder mystery and
I robot, or a murder mystery and uh and less
futuristic version of the Terminator or something like that, it's
a it's a wonderful combination.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
And that's why it's a book. You can't put down and.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Just recently published, so you can go get it now.
The Ten Men written by Alex to Mill with his
dad Nelson. Again, Alex, thank thanks for your time, Thanks
for another great book. And I'm really sorry about the
loss of your dad. I just thought he was a
wonderful guy and I always loved my opportunity to talk
with him.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
And uh and and I'm really glad for you.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
That you got to finish the book in the way
you described, because it does seem to me and I
don't want to you know, I'm not a psychologist and
i'm not your friend, but I feel like that must
have been its own way. Been been a wonderful way
to honor him by finishing this project and thinking about
(13:22):
him as you're doing it.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Thank you, Ross. It was really good to talk to you,
and yes, absolutely was. It felt right.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
It's certainly what he would have wanted, and it felt
like a fitting, fitting tribute to him.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Folks, go by and read The Tin Man. You'll love it.
Thanks Alex. Good to see you again.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Thank you, good to see you too. Thanks for us
I am very pleased to welcome back to the show
Alex de mill and Alex has been on a time
or two in the past and previously with his dad,
Nelson de mill An, absolutely legendary thriller writer, and they've
written some things together, Nelson being the sort of traditional
(00:20):
book writer and Alex being a screenwriter, a movie and
TV writer more.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
But they partner together.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
On books and the newest book is called The Ten Men,
and it's a wonderful book. And we'll talk about the
book more in a moment. But during the process of
writing this book, Nelson, who was not a young dude,
even the previous.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Time that I talked with him, he got sick.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
He passed away, and Alex finished the book and I
so first, Alex, I just wanted to say, you know,
I'm sorry. I you know your dad's and his I mean,
we weren't buddies, but I was in email contact with
him from time to time. It just seemed like an
incredible person and I just wanted to express my condolences.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Thank you, Ross, I appreciate that. It good to be
with you again.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Just a little a little more on working with your dad,
and then we'll get we'll get into the book, but.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Tell us what it was like.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So these characters, Scott Brody and Maggie Taylor of characters
who been in I don't know how many books, but
I've read them multiple times in multiple books.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
And tell me a.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Little about starting the book with your dad, tell me
a little bit about finishing the book without your dad,
and then we'll talk more about the plot of the
book and all that.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Sure, Yes, this is the third book with Scott Brody
and Maggie Taylor The Person The Deserter in twenty nineteen.
The follow up was Pluglines in twenty twenty three. This
is the third book with them. And yeah, basically this
book was not supposed to come out this year. I
wasn't even supposed to write it when I did, but
because he got sick, we decided to switch the schedule
(02:02):
around a little bit. So I actually began the book
after he became ill and started getting treatment for esophageal
So it was kind of cast a Paul over the
whole thing. But he and I come up with the
premise together the prior year, so I feel like we
had a pretty good foundation going into it. And you know,
(02:25):
it was tricky it was. It was a really, really
hard the context I wished to write a novel, so
I'll say that. But I think we had a really
solid foundation because we worked so closely on the first two.
I like I got some sort of intense masterclass from
a very accomplished writer, so I felt I felt well
equipped to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
And you you talked a little bit about this in
I don't remember if it was the forward or at
the end.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I think it was in the foreword.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
But you know, at some point your dad couldn't help
anymore and you just up and ran with it from
theres tell tell me a little more about that.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah, you know, I was working on it. I didn't
want to. I didn't The last thing I wanted was
for him to be focusing on work. But at some
point I realized that he actually liked, liked it and
needed it, and he needed something to focus on.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So I was. I was sending a chapters. You know.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
He was slower to get back and usual, partly because
you know, he was a he was a perfectionist to
the end, and he would wait until he had a
good day, and that's when he would read and I'd
get I'd get notes back from him, and they would
be as sharp as they ever were. But then you know,
he got a chemo treatment and then he'd be yeah,
I got with a count for a week or two,
and so it kind of stretched the process out, and
eventually I still sent some stuff, but I kind of
(03:40):
knew that he wasn't going to read any more of
the book. Frankly, I kind of I could see, I
could see where things were going, and it was it
was hard, you know, the once he passed away and
I still had a chunk of the book to write,
and obvious, you know, dealing with grief and everything. And surprisingly,
(04:05):
the process of finishing his book was a kind of
a kind of an appropriate way of grieving. And it's
sort of I wouldn't say it distracted me and actually
made me focus on him and him and his memory.
And I didn't have him as a co writer and
I was an editor anymore. So instead I was just
kind of kind of crafting into my head what would
what would he think of this? What do you say
(04:25):
about that?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, so I.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Was in a way kind of kind of communing with
him and imagine the conversations and recall the conversations about
over the course of the other two books in the
portion of this book. So it was it was emotionally
difficult but also really kind of rewarding process.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, I can I can imagine that we're talking with
Alex Demil about the new book that he and his dad,
Nelson co wrote. It's called The Ten Men, and it
is a really fun read. I wasn't sure what to
expect going into it, like in the first chapter or two,
where's this going?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
What's this about? And then I found myself.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
This is one of those books where I feel like
I need to tell the author you made me a
little tired at work because I couldn't put the book down.
So I kept I stayed up late for a few
nights in a row reading the book because I just
couldn't put it down. And I thoroughly enjoyed it. And
especially this is more of a personal thing, but like
I got just some annoying things going on in my life,
not terrible things, but annoying things.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
And I was really in a mood for a book
that would take take me away.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Distract me, be fun, and and this was that for me,
and so I just I loved it.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I really did.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah, you know, the highest compliment is getting here from
readers to say they didn't they didn't get off of sleep.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Because of your a book.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So the tin Men, I'm not. I don't want to,
you know, spoil anything.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
So The tin Men is basically about the US government
thinking about how to use humanoid robots that are powered
with some level of artificial intelligence and some of the
risks that.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Could come about.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I'm going to leave it to you to spoil as
much as you want to spoil about the plot. I
don't think that's that's my role, So I try to
not say too much at this point in the conversation
about what the book is.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah, at the heart of it, it's a murder mystery
at a very isolated, high stress environment. It's a fictional
army camp set out deep in the Mohave Desert, and
our main characters are two of our army detectives are
sent there because the scientist was murdered by what they
only know of it as a quote unquote lethal autonomous weapon.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
And once they get there, they.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Start to realize the full scope of the kind of
secretive work that goes on there, the basis of which
is war games between a human altitude of Army rangers
and these next generation weapons that have their own autonomy, yes,
some degree of artificial intelligence, and how intelligent they are
or not, as sort of complaint detention in the book,
(07:08):
but really it was about this kind of remarkable secretive
work being done and what it does to the people
that are there, and of course all the things that
could potentially go wrong, and they're they're, they're they're out
in the middle of nowhere trying to figure out what
went wrong if there was a human hand into it,
and of everybody that could be a suspect. I think
(07:30):
of a little bit of a closed circle mystery. You know,
you're inside of a mansion. Somebody in this in this
house is the killer, except we're in a we're an
army camp in the middle of the desert with right
artian environment, right.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
One of the things that I found interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
So I didn't serve in the military, but both my
parents did, and I lived on and around military basis
for most of my childhood and knew lots of military people.
And my recollection is that your dad served in the military.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Yes, he was an infantry lieutenant in the Army he
served the year of combat in Vietnam in nineteen sixty eight,
which was the worst year of the war.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, right, you know what funny, just just a little tangent.
My friend Jack Carr, who you might know, just set
his new novel in the Vietnam War in nineteen sixty
eight because it was the bloodiest year of the Vietnam War.
So it's very interesting that you mentioned that. That's when
you're actually, yeah, yeah, I just started it. Actually, it's fabulous,
(08:28):
it's fabulous. I read it either right before right after
your book. They're both great. So anyway, anyway, what kind
of jumped out at me. One of the things that
jumped out at me in The Ten Men is the
dialogue and the mindset of the Army rangers who are there.
I thought that was really interesting and well done. Not
(08:49):
that I'm an Army ranger and not that I know
for sure, but I thought it gave what seemed to
me like a very realistic reaction to a hypothetical sinne
where army rangers are fighting intelligent machines.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
It was a challenge because you're taking people who are
at the top of their game, at the top of
their their prowess in this elite unit, and you still
have to show them as being kind of ground down.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
So what what does it take to do that to
guys like that?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
So it was it was sort of it was it
was interesting to to build them up and then build
up their adversary. So everything was at this, like at
a heightened level of stakes, and ultimately their vulnerabilities are
what makes them human, and I tried to I tried
to kind of get that across too. You know that
with our being human comes with strengths and it comes
(09:44):
with weaknesses, but they are all kind of what we
we value in ourselves. So I wanted to show that
there's this real psychological cost to what was happening with them.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
We're talking with Alex Demil about his new thriller novel
called The Ten men uh Co, written with his dad,
Nelson Mill, who passed away during the during the writing
of the book. There's a scene roughly in the middle
of the book where there's a conversation with one of
(10:14):
the with one of the robots and the robot. The
robot goes by the name Bucky because the robots are
kind of named for baseball players, and it's a really
interesting conversation. I'm just going to quote a little I'm
gonna try to explain to you what death is, said Morgan,
because you can't possibly understand it. Specialist Daniel Kemp was
(10:35):
born twenty years ago. You've only existed for a single year,
give or take, so that amount of time might not
be fathomable. Fathomable to you. Twenty years ago, for instance,
nightmares like you were.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
The subject of speculative.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Fiction books and movies about horror and fear and how we,
through technology might lose our own humanity and struggle to
regain it. Do you understand any of what I'm saying?
And I'll stop there. What kind of sort of replies,
But that's one of those things. It sounds a little
bit to me like like Alex Demil speaking to me
(11:07):
rather than you know, this particular character in the book speaking.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
To a robot.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, yeah, I can.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I can definitely see that it is, because because really
kind of the challenge of writing this book was we
were not writing a science fiction book.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
So what do we know about what is real now?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
And how do we kind of project like five minutes
in the future to imagine where we where we might
be tomorrow. So yeah, the twenty years, the whole world
has changed me. We've all experienced this in the last
few years of AI too. To me, it's been really
disorienting how quickly AI has developed, how quickly it's gone,
(11:48):
for me, this fringe thing to being a main source
of conversation to being this thing that we end up
just using thoughtlessly every day of our lives. Here, we
don't mean to every time you use Google unless you
go out of your way to turn it off, it's
using aar So, yeah, it was, it was. It was
trying to You're right, I was. I was having my
own kind of personal reaction to this stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
And then if you if you kind of create this robot,
you you get to kind of interrogate your own your
own fears inside your book, which is fun.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, I mean, folks, the ten men. Uh, this is
going to be a little bit not exactly accurate. But
if you imagine a combination of a murder mystery and
I robot, or a murder mystery and uh and less
futuristic version of the Terminator or something like that, it's
a it's a wonderful combination.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
And that's why it's a book. You can't put down and.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Just recently published, so you can go get it now.
The Ten Men written by Alex to Mill with his
dad Nelson. Again, Alex, thank thanks for your time, Thanks
for another great book. And I'm really sorry about the
loss of your dad. I just thought he was a
wonderful guy and I always loved my opportunity to talk
with him.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
And uh and and I'm really glad for you.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
That you got to finish the book in the way
you described, because it does seem to me and I
don't want to you know, I'm not a psychologist and
i'm not your friend, but I feel like that must
have been its own way. Been been a wonderful way
to honor him by finishing this project and thinking about
(13:22):
him as you're doing it.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Thank you, Ross. It was really good to talk to you,
and yes, absolutely was. It felt right.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
It's certainly what he would have wanted, and it felt
like a fitting, fitting tribute to him.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Folks, go by and read The Tin Man. You'll love it.
Thanks Alex. Good to see you again.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Thank you, good to see you too. Thanks for us
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