10-31-25 - *FULL SHOW* Halloween; Standard Time; Obamacare Fraud; Pricey Chocolate

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Going to be off on Monday, so I got a
three day weekend. Before I talk with Gina, I just
want to tell you a thing that just happened. So
I just got an email from the City of Denver
because I called them a little bit ago to tell
them that the traffic.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Light right outside of.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Our building here wasn't working two mornings in a row.
And you get all these cars that the light and
it's the lights on. It just never changes, right, have
you noticed that? So I So I just got an
email from them, just sort of giving me an update,
like which employee this was assigned to to go check

(00:36):
out the traffic light. And the reason that I mentioned
this to you, that I got this email is that
I did not give them my email address when I called. Oh,
they didn't even ask. I gave them my name. I
gave them my name, and I guess they send an
email you called. I called, and they sent you an email,
and they sent me an email back. But they didn't

(00:57):
ask for my email address. So they got it either
I would in their files somehow, and they.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Tied it to my name or to my they did
ask for my cell number. That's a little creepy. Oh,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Are they just gearing up being like, oh man, this
is Ross put this at the top of the list.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Jeez, No, I mean maybe Denver's all about this surveillance
with the flock cameras. And anyway, Okay, we've got a
lot to do on today's show, and some of it's,
you know, gonna be pretty light with Halloween coming up
and switching to standard time and and all that. We
also have some you know, some serious topics to do,

(01:33):
but I wanted to just.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Start the show with Gina.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
And Gina and I are gonna have a lot more
time to interact on our new show, which will be
starting a week from Monday, November tenth.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
If you haven't heard.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
The news, my show is moving from now nine to
noon to six am to nine am, and it's and
this show is Ross Kaminski on the News with Gina Gondeck.
And Gina's gonna be a big part of the show,
and we're gonna chat chat about all kinds of things,
and I think, yeah, we have no idea what it'll be.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
We're gonnaigure out as we go along with much it's
gonna be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, And uh, anyway, so I always like bantering with
Gene about any random stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
And and so I I kind of thought of you
with this one. I mean, I know you're not single,
but the headline is.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Nearly what Jen are you millennial? Are you like the
young end of millennials or something? Yes, okay, nearly. I
actually don't know how old you are, but you don't
need to tell us on the air. Nearly one third
of gen Z singles are going on dates just for
free food. A girl's gotta eat. Oh, and and and
you're I mean, I don't know how long you've been

(02:40):
dating your husband who I won't name, but you are
married to him now we have the same anniversary. Yeah,
but I'm kind of I got a few questions for you.
Did you ever go out on a date just to
get a free meal? And if you were single, would
you go out on a date to get a free meal? No?

Speaker 2 (02:57):
And no.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
So in fact, our very first date with my now husband,
I paid for my meal and he thought the date
was going poorly because of that. But we were both
in college. I knew him well. We both had very
you know, not good paying jobs, and we are going
to college student loans, YadA, YadA, and then so I said,

(03:20):
don't worry, I got my meal, and he's like, no, no, no,
what And I was like, no, it's we're both really
not able to be doing this right now, so I'll
pay for it. I don't mind doing that, but I
felt bad because looking at at it now, he thought
of it as like, I didn't do this, didn't go well.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
So but that's really funny.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
This article is pretty fascinating because I actually think it
brings a bigger concern when it comes to like today's
dating culture is uh, the overuse of the dating apps,
where I.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Think you think of people.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
More in a transactional swipe idea, so you don't think
twice about it.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
If you're like I.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Don't like this guy that much, but I'm going to
get a free meal out of it.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Sure, I'm going to go.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
So I almost feel like people don't have that one
on one interaction. I met my husband in college. We
got to know each other.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
I knew what he.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Did for a living, I knew what I did for
a living. We both go to the same school. We
know what our student loans are. I'll pay for my meal.
But I think other people nowadays are just like I'll
go on a date. I'll entertain it for a second,
and then I'm going to get a free meal out
of this, and I'll gost to this guy and.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Never talk to him again.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Okay, that's a really interesting one. And my gut reaction
is slight disagreement in the sense that I think this
kind of transactional nature I'm going to get a free
meal out of it has been around for much much longer.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Than you think.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Okay, Right, So like when I was, you know, in
my twenties and dating every once in a while, at
the end of an evening, I could tell, all right,
I knew what that I know what that was nowt right.
So I almost want.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
To argue that I see it more with being at
a bar and getting a free drink and being on
a full date, because I hope that with a full date,
if you're spending the entire evening, you think a little
bit more highly of this person and you say, all right,
I'll entertain it a little bit more. But yes, when
I was in college and there's a guy talking to
me at the bar, he gives me a drink, I'm
not gonna think twice and I'll say, all right, thanks

(05:15):
for the drink, and go off with my friends.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, I know for sure.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
And I used to own a bar, as you know,
our nightclub, and I think that's very like as a
guy if and I realized people don't meet at bars
as much as they used to. He used to be
a very very common thing now, like you say, a
lot more apps. But back in the day, if you
were a guy wanting to meet a girl at a bar,
you absolutely had to be prepared to buy drinks all

(05:39):
night for other people and with you know, whatever chance
of success.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's like you're going.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Fishing, and sometimes you go for fishing and you don't catch,
you don't even get a nibble, right, but you still
bought all the baits.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
You still bought all the bait, right, And so.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
You know, to me, the bar, I don't know what
the bar thing is like now as far as dating,
because I've been married for so long, but I bet
it's still kind of like that. And I bet girls
go to a bar expecting to have their drink bought
more often than they might expect that going out to dinner,
because I do think a lot of you know, modern

(06:16):
like women right now will pay for their own meals.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah. I had a friend in college.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Little off topic, but she used to always go out
with her twenty one and twenty first birthday sash on
every weekend.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
That's how she got her free drinks.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Twenty first birthday, give me a drink every every single weekend.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
I was surprised that people didn't catch on to that.
Like she was forty seven, yeah, exactly. At some point
you have to be like, all right.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
But I thought it was interesting that this New York
Post article says that the first date budget is between
fifty and one hundred bucks nowadays, that's a lot. So
like our first date maybe was thirty forty bucks at
a little dive bar college diebar. So I could see
people being like, all right, well, if I'm getting fifty
dollars meal, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well, and you know Burger's eighteen.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Bucks these days, and you're not gonna take her to McDonald's.
But even at McDonald's your meal would be thirteen bucks.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
You're rounding it up because of the penny shortage.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Did you hear that story? No?

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Well, is that a new Is there another version of
the penny shortage story? Is it?

Speaker 5 (07:18):
Well?

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Still Donald's is starting to round up around down their
prices if you're paying in caches due to the penny shortage,
So then you got to.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Order exactly so that it comes out to like sixteen
or seventeen in the sense, and then you make a
penny or two. Yeah, every time. Oh strategicy, Thanks for
sticking around.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Gina happy too. Oh gosh, that was fun.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
We're gonna do a lot more of that when we
shared start our new show at It's new Time, starting
a week from monday. Gosh, I'm excited for that. All right,
we'll take quick break, be right back on KWA. I
want to just throw this out at you right now,
and I'll read some of your answers over the course.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Of the show.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I'm probably gonna ask a lot of questions today. What's
your favorite horror movie? What's your favorite horror movie of
all time? Text me at five six, six nine zero,
and let me know. I am not a horror movie connoisseur,
so probably many or most of the movies that you
text in as your favorite horror movie, probably I won't
even have seen them, so I won't have too much

(08:15):
to say. But I would love to know what's your
favorite horror movie? And then maybe if there's you know,
one or two that really are are showing up far
more than others in the list here, then maybe I
will go.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
I will go watch them. I will go watch one
of those or something.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, you know, I won't say the Exorcist is the
last horror movie that I saw. I've seen a few,
and actually I've seen a few recently because my younger
kid loves horror movies and I take him to the movies.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
So there you go. Oh.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
One of my kids just texted me to say that
his math teacher is the character Heisenberg from Breaking Bad
for Halloween and is wearing a costume looking like the
dude from Breaking Bad in in class today.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
So that's pretty cool. All right, a lot of stuff
I want to do. Let's see, where are so many things?
Let me start. Let me just do a quick political thing.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
I think President Trump has a very bad idea here
when he calls on Republicans to eliminate the filibuster. Now,
there have been some Democrats who have been calling on
Republicans to eliminate the filibuster and that there should be
a message to you there. And of course, whenever there

(09:32):
is a small Senate minority. I'm sorry, small Senate, my
majority that is being thwarted by the minorities.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Use of the filibuster.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
A lot of times, they will get frustrated and they
will think, you know, we should get rid of the
filibuster and then we can pass what we want with
fifty one votes. The problem is that if you do that,
the other guys are going to do it now. The
Democrats almost did it last time around, and they were
only stopped by a couple of Democrats that said they
wouldn't go along, including Joe Manchin, who's not even there anymore.

(10:04):
Oh and Kirsten Cinema, who's not there anymore. Remember these people,
all they care about is power, all right? Oh, I
shouldn't say all. But the thing they care about most
is exercising power. And they get very, very frustrated when
they can't, especially if they're in the majority.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
And I understand that a little bit.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
But President Trump has said that, and I'm quoting, it's
now time for Republicans to play their Trump card, get
it and go for what it's called the nuclear option.
Get rid of the filibuster, and get.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Rid of it.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Now. I think this is a terrible idea. Can you
imagine what the Democrats will do if they come into
power with a democratic president and a Democratic Senate and
a Democratic House, all of which is possible for the
next presidential election, very possible. Can you imagine what they

(11:00):
will do without the filibuster? One example actually that Trump raised,
and Trump says the Democrats will get rid of the
philibuster if they can so his argument, and let me
just say, Trump's argument.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
On this point is not insane.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Trump's argument is, as soon as the Democrats are in charge,
they're going to eliminate the filibuster no matter what we
do now, so we should just do it first and
get our stuff done, because they're going to do it
and do things like make Puerto Rico a state and
make Washington, DC a state in order to create two
or four more Democratic seats in the Senate. And he's

(11:37):
not necessarily wrong about that, but this is a very
very dangerous move. Here's the other reason. And then this
thing is this is a little more subtle. But as
to why I don't like Trump's saying this, now, if
I think that by putting something out there that makes

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it sound like, oh, here's a way Republicans could open
the government then Democrats, and some have done this already,
like Rocanna.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Of California and a couple of senators. Also.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
The Democrats will say, look, if Republicans really wanted the
government open, they could just get rid of the filibuster
and open the government, and therefore they must not want
the government open. It's really the Republicans. It's really the
Republicans who are keeping government closed. They could do it,
they could open it if they wanted to. And by
Trump kind of going along with that mindset, he's giving

(12:32):
more ammunition to Democrats who are claiming that it's the
Republicans that are.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Keeping government closed.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Obviously, it takes two to tango, and you could argue, well,
Republicans could open government if they caved into democratic demands.
But I think the better side of the argument is
on the side that government has closed because of Democrats,
because Republicans already passed an absolutely clean continuing resolution that
continues spending at Biden levels, it doesn't even cut spending,

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and Democrats won't sign it because they're trying to hold
the country and Republicans.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Hostage for some other goals.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
So I think even though polling doesn't show it right now.
I think Republicans are on the better side of this,
and I think Trump's argument gives some aid and comfort
to Democrats, and I think he shouldn't. We'll be right
back on KOA. A ton of stuff to do on
today's show. I'm Ross, by the way, thanks for spending
some time with me. I am asking you. I've got
a lot of things to ask you today. But the
thing I'm asking you right now is what's your favorite

(13:27):
horror movie? Text me at five six six nine zero
and share with me your favorite horror movie. Before I
share with you some of the answers, I would just
like to respond to a listener text question that I've
gotten a whole bunch of times since we announced the
new show lineup here Mornings on KOA, and the question

(13:52):
that I keep getting, and for those who somehow missed it,
my show is moving from nine to noon to six
am to note and it's gonna be called Ross Kaminski
on the News with Gina Gondek, and so we're gonna
have a lot of fun. Colorado's Morning News as you
know it now, will will be from five am to

(14:12):
six AM. My show will be six to nine and
then this time slot that I'm in now will be
taken over by Michael Brown, who is coming over from
khow Anyway, the question that I've gotten lots of times
by text now is, and I'm gonna paraphrase, because I've
gotten lots.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Of versions of this ross.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
You do semi professional radio, but Gina does professional radio.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
So how is that going to work out?

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Is Gina going to become semi professional? And I think
the answer to that is no. I don't think Gina
will ever become semi professional. The question is whether I
can drag her a little bit toward being less professional
or whether she will me a little bit toward being
more professional. And I hope not because that's not my

(15:06):
strong suit. But we will just see. We will just
see how it goes, and maybe we'll have moments, you know,
maybe there will be a moment where where I can somehow,
you know, shock Gina into behaving in a semi professional way,
or she can shock me into behaving in a professional way.
I'm not sure which one of those is more unlikely,

(15:27):
but we're gonna have a lot of fun trying to
find out. Okay, back to the question, I'm asking you, what's.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Your favorite horror movie.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
I want to share with you a few answers, and
then we actually have a kind of a serious healthcare
economics topic coming up in just a few minutes. Like
I said, today, we're doing a lot of alternating back
and forth between light stuff and serious stuff. So a
few listener answers here on favorite horror movies. The Thing
by John Carpenter. I did see that movie, and I

(15:52):
really like it. The Blob, famous movie, but I don't
know if I've seen it.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
The Omen, which I have something to say about later on.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
You know, the history around the making of the movie
The Omen. Oh my gosh, so yep, that's a famous
one nightmare On Elm Street Part four, this person says,
I don't know if I saw part one. This may
be the funniest answer. Daddy daycare horror movie.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
That may be.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
That may be the funniest answer. Two more people say
The Thing.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
What else?

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Not really sure if it's a horror movie, but a
clockwork orange that is probably my favorite movie of all time.
I'm not sure if it's a horror movie either, but
it's definitely something Psycho, The Original Exorcist, Carrie with Sissy Spacek.
What Else American Werewolf in London. Two different people said that,
So you married an axe murderer. All right, you get

(16:48):
the idea. So Kip and comming though five six six
nine era. What's your favorite horror movie?

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Oh? The Shining that's a great one. Ross.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
You're moving and Michael is moving? Who gets Dragon? We
both do?

Speaker 2 (17:00):
We both do.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Dragon will be producing the entirety of my show from
six to nine and then sticking around and producing the
entirety of Michael Brown's show from nine to noon, which
Dragon seems pretty pleased about because for some reason he
seems to like producing both of our shows. One quick
comment I want to make about going to standard time.

(17:24):
I actually had a couple of things I want to
say on that one. There have been efforts in Congress
for a while to.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Go to permanent daylight saving time.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
For quite a few years, it was legal for states
to go to permanent standard time, but not legal for
them to go to permanent daylight saving time.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
And actually that's still the case.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
So what Arizona and at least some of Indiana doesn't
change time. So there was a bill that I believe
passed the House. I'm not sure it was in this
session though, so I guess it wouldn't matter. You'd have
to pass it again that would allow permanent daylight saving time.
And they tried this again in the Senate, and they
tried to do a unanimous consent thing, and.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Senator Rick Scott of Florida proposed.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Unanimous consent to pass a bill that would make daylight
savings daylight saving time permanent, and Tom Cotton of Arkansas
said no. And in that situation, one person can stop
it if the procedure they're trying to use is unanimous consent,
because then it's not unanimous, So then it would have

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to go through the whole process and all the votes
and all that stuff. And Tom Cotton said, for many Arkansans,
permanent daylight saving time would mean the sun wouldn't rise
until after eight or even eight thirty am during the.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Dead of winter.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
The darkness of permanent savings time would be especially harmful
for school children and working Americans.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
So for me, if you were going to make.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
One of these times permanent, I think I would make
I think I would go with standard time.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
As much as so many Americans, including President Trump, don't
like the clock change, there's there's a reason we still
do it, and the reason that we still do it
is probably that the alternative is worse. And I will
note for folks who maybe are a little bit too

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young to remember this, and in fact I'm too young
to remember.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
It as well. I just know about it.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
When I believe it was Richard Nixon was president, they
passed a law, an actual law that made permanent I
forget which it was. I think it was daylight saving time.
And after some number of months, less than a less
than a year, it was so unpopular that they repealed
the law.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
So we've tried this experiment already.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
So anyway, Saturday, well, Sunday morning technically feels like Saturday night.
At two am. You move your clocks back to one am.
You gain an extra hour of sleep. And the one
thing that I wonder about is this, before we get
to my guest, here's my question. What happens if you
make an appointment for one thirty am on Sunday? What happens?

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Think about that? Don't let your head explode while you're
thinking about it. And we'll come back to it in
a bit, because right now I want to go to
Nicholas Kleinworth Nicholas is a policy analyst at the Paragon
Health Institute Paragoninstitute dot org. They do a lot of
fantastic research on healthcare policy, and they got a couple
of things out and all this, by the way, is

(20:37):
up on my blog, so you can go read it yourself.
But they've done some very very interesting research just this month,
published just at the beginning of this month about ACA,
also known as the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare,
about fraud within this program.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
And I will note just.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Before we get to the fraud, fraud is just one
of the reasons that the Affordable Care Act now turns
out to be one of the worst named pieces of
legislation ever. I mean, and this many of us knew
this was going to happen. We called it at the
time the Unaffordable Care Act, but I think a lot
of more people are figuring it out now.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Anyway. Nicholas, welcome to KOA. It's good to have you here. Yes, Ross,
thank you for having me on.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
Unfortunately, it seems like we're just hitting your audience with
back to back topics that I'll make their heads hurt.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
What happens if you have a one thirty appointment on
Sunday morning.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, I don't know what happens. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
All right, So let's talk about your piece for Paragon
ghost busting ACA fraud. Millions who don't use their health
insurance expose abuse in the program.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
So there's a lot to talk about here.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
So what is this about people who don't use health insurance?

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Is that a common thing? Is it not a common thing?

Speaker 1 (21:56):
But you know you, but you have health insurance, but
you don't get sick, you don't use it.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
How do you get from.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
There to saying at least some of that represents fraud.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
Well, you have to think about the fact that when
you use your health insurance, you're not just using it
for going to the doctor. You're not just using it
for going and seeing your primary care physician. You're also
using it to cover things like prescription drugs and other
of those small things. So it's actually kind of impressive
that twelve million people who are enrolled in the Affordable

(22:29):
Care Act plans aren't using their coverage at all. And
for perspective on how big this is, this is about
twenty six percent of all Affordable Care Act and rollees. Wow,
and I mean, it's a pretty substantial number nationally incomparable plans,

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the Heiser Family Foundation estimates that about fifteen percent is
normal for.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
People to not use their health insurance.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
And so what we're seeing though, is that the number
of people who aren't using their coverage is going up
substantially since the passage of the Biden Codd credits or
those additional subsidies that create a lot of free plans
for people on the program.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
So does that mean that.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
A lot of people are getting the insurance because it's
quote unquote free and they feel like they might as well.
That's what that sounds like you were saying. But then
there's this whole other thing about I mean, there's a
reason you put the word ghostbusting in the title of
this article, so let's get to that as well.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
Yeah, so keep in mind that phantom enroll is we're
referring to a very small, smaller subset of these people
who don't use their plans. These are people who aren't
on the plants or aren't using their coverage, but they
it's usually because of fraud. They don't actually know that

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they even have coverage. So what we're seeing is these
frog rings are getting enough information on people and then
rolling them in Obamacare plans and then collecting commissions or
collecting the subsidies, and these people just get.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Enrolled in health insurance.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
There's zero cost because they're enrolled in the zero cost
plan through the dividing COVID credits, so there's no pay
for until you get the tax time and you find
out that you have a penalty that you have to pay,
or you go and try to use your normal health
insurance you find out that your plan was canceled and
you can't actually access to health benefits you once have.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Is that quantifiable? Yet? How many people? You know, how
many cases there are? Like this? Is it thousands? Is
it millions? What is it?

Speaker 1 (24:51):
So?

Speaker 5 (24:51):
The Paragon Health Institute released a report just this year.
We estimated that six point four million people were improperly
enrolled in the Affordable care Now keep in mind that
this is people who either deliberately misrepresented their income so
that they can get a bigger subsidy, or these were
people who were enrolled in these plans unknowingly. And this

(25:16):
cost pact pair is about twenty seven billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Okay, yeah, so that's where that's where I'm going next,
like how much is this actually costing? This figures into
the overall concept that I started in my introduction of
this segment that the Unaffordable Care Act is really a
massive financial burden, and this is becoming a big part
of the conversation in the government shutdown right now because

(25:41):
there are these temporary, temporary governments designed by Democrats to
be temporary government subsidies for people earning over four hundred
percent of the federal poverty level, which by the way,
does not make you rich.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
The poverty level is very low.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Four times the poverty level is probably not even middle class.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
But still.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
These people are getting temporary, very large subsidies, and now
Democrats are wanting to keep the government shut until Republicans
cave in and extend those subsidies at massive, massive cost.
Do you want to say anything about that, even though
it's a little bit ofst the topical fraud.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
Well, I think that people need to keep in mind
that the Democrats had the ability to do this a
few years ago. They had control, They had the ability
to pass it in perpetuity if they really wanted to.
Not a single Republican voted at the time to extend
these subsidies to this point.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
And so I think that.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
The fact that the Democrats didn't do it before they
saw that temporary COVID era programs should be restricted to
the COVID Era and I would say that.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Were well passed covid right.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
And the other thing there is that the reason they
didn't make them permanent is they couldn't get a favorable
scoring on the bill if they did that, because it
would make the whole thing so expensive. Right, So they
had and this is a thing that the politicians do commonly.
They put something in a bill that expires theoretically in
the bill after period of time, but their intention isn't
actually to let it expire. So what is to be

(27:21):
done about this Obamacare fraud?

Speaker 5 (27:26):
I would actually say it's one of the easier policy
decisions to make. The solution here is to actually not
pass any extensions to the Biden covid credits. So the
solution would be to do nothing on that on that
particular policy. But even if there has to be some
degree of negotiation, the redline absolutely has to be no

(27:50):
zero dollar plans in the Affordable Care Act, because you
opige on the plans for free and there has to
be some sort of a cost to that, but it's
also a revelation to just how low value these plans are.
Studies have come out that shows people will still deliberately
choose to not enroll in Affordable Care Act coverage even

(28:12):
if the premium was less than ten dollars. And I'm sorry,
but a lot of subscription services and other things cost
a lot more than ten dollars, and the fact that
they value those things more than health insurance tells you
just how important these programs are to that subset of people, right.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
And also, I'm guessing that most of the population that
would answer that way or probably in their twenties, right,
who think they're invulnerable, And they're probably right, Like most
people in their twenties won't need health insurance or or
won't have health expenses that exceed what the insurance would
cost them, and they're better off doing cash pay, not
all of them. You know, you can get in an accent,

(28:52):
you can get sick. But I mean, I remember when
I was in my twenties and I thought health insurance
is a waste of time, and I was probably right,
you know, and especially with what it costs now, health
insurance was cheap, then it's expensive. Now, well it's it's
expensive unless you can get the government to make other
people pay for it.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
Well, and keep in mind too, this is actually the
leftist argument right now for behind the phantom and role lease.
So the Paragon came out and we showed how many
people were not using their coverage and it really.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Does show the degree of fraud in the program.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
Opposition arguments were that, well, this is because the subsidies
were encouraging young healthy people who don't use their coverage
to enroll in these plans.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
But what we.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
Found out in our ghostbusting piece was that the proportion
of phantom and role lease far exceeded the proportion of
young healthy people that got onto the program after the
passage of those subsidies. So that's not the reason, right,
and that it.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Does make sense in the sense that, as I was saying,
if if a young person feels invulnerable, you know, even
if health insurance is close to zero cost, they're just
not even going to spend their time signing up for it.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
It's just like why bother Right, We're.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Talking with Nicholas Kleinworth from the Paragon Health Institute. Paragon
Institute dot org. All right, as long as I've got
a real health expert here, I want to ask you
this other question. There's all this talk about this massive
increase in Health Obamacare insurance premiums for some people when
these subsidies expire, and you see numbers out there, you know,

(30:28):
premiums going from ten thousand to twenty thousand or some
crazy numbers like that.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
And my question for you, and.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
This is probably something that would take hours to really
do a justice, or a whole book to do a justice.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Why is health.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Insurance so expensive? I don't really you know, I'm tired
of subsidizing people. I also think subsidizing people drives up
the cost of health care. But why is health insurance
so so expensive?

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Last thing? And then I'll let you answer.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
On a news report yesterday that the average health expenditure
per American is something like thirteen thousand dollars a year.
How can the average cost of health insurance exceed the
average expenditure by such a large amount.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
You're asking all the right questions.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
Let me start by saying this, The reason why the
health insurance costs are going out this year is not
because of the subsidies. Paragon just released a figure earlier
this week or last week, and that showed that only
three point three percent of the increase that we are
seeing is actually attributed at all to the expiration of

(31:46):
the Biden COVID credits. Wow, but the Affordable Care Act itself.
This is another figure that the Paragon Health Institute released.
It went viral on x has showed how before Obamacare,
health insurance was and within reach back in twenty fourteen.

(32:07):
But a lot of the subsidization of the market, a
lot of the additional regulations, coverage mandates and things like
that are driving up the cost.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
As Democrats say, oh.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
Well, we need to regulate insurance companies, they need to
cover X, Y and Z services, And you find that
more and more people are buying plans that cover things
that they'll never need. For example, why do I need
maternal healthcare services on my particular health plan if I'm
just an individual and I'm obviously not females. So those

(32:43):
things just don't make sense and it raises the cost
for everybody across the board. We could go into other
things too that drive the cost that it's all tied
back to the Affordable Care Act.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, Well, I'm glad you said that.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
It makes me feel a little bit smarter in the
sense that a few days ago this came up on
the show and one of the things I was talking
about was these mandates, and I said, how much do
you think car insurance would cost if the government said
that your auto insurance had to cover new tires, new
windshield wipers, knew absolutely everything, Because then you know that
not only will claim will there be claims for more things,

(33:19):
but more people will get new tires and new windshield
wipers and knew everything sooner than they otherwise would. So
actually the real results will end up being even worse
than the results in the pro form a model that
the people put together.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
To design the plan.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Looks like you want to say something, so I'll give
you the last few seconds.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
So I just wanted to make sure to mention though,
the increase that we're seeing in the ACA coverage costs
for the premiums actually largely born by the tax payer,
and this is very unfair to the people who have
to pay for their health insurance out of their paycheck
through their employer, and then they also have to pay
for everyone else's health insurance through the additional taxes to
subsidize this programs.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
This needs to stop.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Nicholas, can you email me the link for the report
you mentioned that talks about what percentage of the current
increase is from the expiration of the credits and what
percent is from other stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Can you send me that? Yeah, that'd be great, all right.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Nicholas Kleinworth is an analyst and writer over at Paragon
Health Institute. Some great great reports that he's done. Check
out Paragoninstitute dot org. All this stuff is up on
my blog so you can check out Nicholas and his
work as well.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
It's great conversation. Thanks for your time, Thank you for
having me. All right, glad to do it.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
We're going to take a quick break, will be right
back on KOA to talk about why people are buying
less chocolate for Halloween. Hi there, Dragon, Hi there, Dragon's
got a Broncos hoodie on.

Speaker 6 (34:46):
Don't you dare think by you wearing your Broncos jacket
and your Broncos hat today that you are getting out
of not listening to the game.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
I've done enough, you know you have not. I've done
enough by warned the swag. I've done enough.

Speaker 6 (34:58):
You are six and oh listening to Rick and Dave
on KOA six and oh you are perfect and when
you haven't listened, guess what?

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Oh and two? Come on. I don't like I don't
like the pressure of this.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
I don't like feeling like it's it's my responsibility for
the Broncos to win.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
They're professionals, they say, able to win without me. No, No, we.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Know you and I have determined for years of working
together that I am not a professional. I'm not I'm
a semi professional on my best day. And now you
want me to be professional at this Yes, when I
can't even be professional at my day job.

Speaker 6 (35:37):
How many people are counting on you to listen to
the game.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
It's too much pressure? Huh. Hey, folks, if.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
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Albrighton Nick Ferguson, you can do that on Sunday from
eleven am to one pm at Burned Down, Denver off
a Broadway, and when you're there you can enter to
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Denver Broncos.

Speaker 6 (36:09):
If you want to listen to the game, just go
to the iHeart app and koa.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, which I might do. I might do, I might
not do. I might be I might be a little
bit busy dragon.

Speaker 6 (36:20):
I might be a busy enough to tune up to
the get the iHeart might be and listen to the game.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
I might be a little busy. M you will listen
to the game.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Here's the problem when the boss knows your habits and
then it's like it's a really it's a significant career
risk for me. So I've made time to watch. I've
got three choices.

Speaker 6 (36:43):
Now you're going to at least watch some point of
being so you might as well listen to it.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
So now I either have to listen to it, have to,
or don't listen to it. And then the forks coming
off that don't listen to it decision leads to two
more decisions. One is tell dragon the truth that I
didn't listen to it, or lie the dragon and tell
them I did listen to it.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
That's probably the best play for me. Don't listen to it, and.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Then if they lose, well, then I see.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
I don't know because I don't want to. You're not
a good liar. I don't know. I'm not I'm not.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Did you know Dragon that last year, fifty two percent
of the total volume of Halloween candies sold in the
United States with chocolate candies, and this year it's down
to forty four percent. Oh wow, you know why chocolate's expensive.
That's exactly why. Yep, chocolate's incredibly expensive. And actually, I'm
going to talk about this from a market perspective for

(37:47):
a second, but this is from This is from the
New York Post, and I did get both as a
Halloween story and as a as a business story. Shoppers
are opting for sweet treats like gummies, freeze dried candies,
and other colorful can dragon, Have you seen this freeze
dried stuff?

Speaker 6 (38:02):
Is that those stuff that like like skittles when they yeah,
it explodes.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, I bought some. My younger kid used to really
dig this stuff. Then I bought some for him recently
and he said.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Oh, I'm over it. You can have it.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
But it's like it's almost like a sweet chalk. You
put this thing in and it just sort of crushes
down to powder in your mouth, and it's very expensive
compared to regular skittles, but it's kind of cool. So
I bought him some. I mean it was on sales.
It was half price. That's why I bought it. Of
course I was gonna pay fust price for that.

Speaker 6 (38:34):
Don't think I didn't notice that You've skipped over the
whole Broncos conversation.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
For eight weeks through mid September whatever, this group is
found that sales have non chocolate Halloween candy outpaced chocolate
says of the middle of September, non chocolate seasonal sales
were up four and a half percent. Chocolate seasonal sales
were down thirteen point seven percent. Now, between January of
twenty twenty three and January of twenty twenty five, global

(39:02):
cocoa prices more than quadrupled due to poor coco harvests
in West Africa, where seventy percent of coco is produced.
Halloween candy in the US cost an average of eight
dollars a pound. In the twelve weeks ahead of October fifth,
when they were running this survey, non chocolate candy was

(39:23):
five dollars and seventy seven cents a pound, So a
lot of people are buying the cheaper stuff.

Speaker 7 (39:28):
Now.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
The other thing that I wanted to mention to you,
because I'm a finance nerd, so I was actually looking
at some Coco price charts. You can look at the
spot market. So what is the spot market. The spot
market is I want to buy coco today and I
want to have a delivered tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
That's the spot market.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
It's a transaction you make today for delivery very very soon.
Then you have the futures market, and the futures market
allows you to lock in a price for future delivery
of the commodity. By the way, if you buy a
future to lock in a future price. Let's say you
make chocolate and you want to lock in that price

(40:09):
now because yes, it might go down, but you want
to take the risk of it going up, so you
buy it. You can take delivery at whatever point. For example,
there's futures in Coco futures. There's futures for this December,
then there's March of next year, May, July, September, December,
and then they repeat that cycle the following year. So

(40:29):
the futures are not every month. It depends on the commodity,
but futures are not every month. You can take delivery,
or if the price of the commodity goes up and
you don't want to take delivery, you can just sell
that future out and take a profit. And the other
side of this, which is why futures markets are so valuable,
is what if you produce coco? Right?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
What if you produce coco?

Speaker 1 (40:50):
And yes, it's possible that cocoa prices could go up,
but you don't want to take the risk of them
going down, So you sell a future and then when
it comes to the delivery period, you deliver the coco
to the clearinghouse, and you deliver it against someone who
owns the future and wants delivery anyway.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
I think that's all pretty fascinating.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
And what I wanted to mention to you is at
the peak in January of this year, Coco was almost
twelve thousand dollars a ton, all right, twelve thousand dollars
a ton.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
If you go back to the end.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Of twenty twenty two, it was are you ready for this,
twenty three hundred dollars a ton.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
It went from twenty three hundred.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
It peaked at twelve thousand, and even after it sold off,
it didn't get much below eight thousand, and it spent
most of the last year between eight thousand and ten thousand.
What's interesting, and I just want to note as a
a perspective of a trader. Cocoa prices have plummeted in
the last two months, down to about six thousand. Now, yes,

(41:53):
that's much higher than two years ago, but half the
price of the peak.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
And here's my prediction for you.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Chocolate prices will come down, but not as much as
they should because buyers of chocolate are used to more
expensive chocolate and they are buying less.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
They are buying less.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
But as the prices come down, maybe there's a maybe
there's a kind of chocolate that costs you four dollars
right now that should be three dollars with cocoa at
this price. What I think is gonna happen is the
price of that chocolate bar is gonna come down to
three point fifty, and the chocolate company is gonna have

(42:34):
much bigger margins because in the minds of consumers, they
now have this frame, Oh, that chocolate bar was four dollars.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
They'd kind of forgotten that it was three.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
That chocolate bar is four dollars now it's three fifty.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
That's a bargain. I'm gonna buy it.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
We'll see how it all plays out, but I do
think that next year we will probably see Halloween Chocolate
Candy a lot cheaper than it is this year. I mean,
it's funny and it's light and it's not scary, right,
it's not as scary it's scary.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
I was.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
I was asking listeners earlier, Dragon, what's your favorite horror movie?
And I'll ask that again for folks who just joined recently.
Text us at five six six nine zero and tell
us what's your favorite horror movie?

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Dragon?

Speaker 1 (43:15):
My favorite answer so far is Daddy Daycare?

Speaker 2 (43:21):
True?

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Oh god, yes, I think that's I think that's a fact.
Is there one that just jumps out in your mind?
Is your favorite horror movie?

Speaker 6 (43:27):
I'm partial with a Saw franchise and the Scream franchise.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
I've never seen any of the Scream movies. I've seen
one or two of the Saw movies, and I did
like them. I have a bad memory, as you know, so,
but I'll tell you one that I liked recently. I
don't know if was the most scary thing, but I
kind of liked that movie.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Smile. You see that one or do you see the
second one? I saw him both? Okay, good, yeah, I
saw him both. I'm not really a horror movie guy.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
But my younger kid loves them, so I tend to
take him to the movies and we'll see whatever.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
We just saw Black two any good? It's all right.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
I missed Black Phone one and my kid says black.

Speaker 6 (44:05):
Phone one was much better. Wait, you would not see
the first one and you're going to the second. I
know it's on demand somewhere.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
I know I need to probably watch the first one
because my kid said the first one was much much,
much better.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
It feels like the second one wouldn't make it.

Speaker 6 (44:20):
I haven't seen the second one, but it feels like
the second one wouldn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Can you put my audio up please?

Speaker 1 (44:29):
A bunch of people texted in on the on this
thing about you, saying I need to listen to the
Broncos game right.

Speaker 6 (44:36):
And you've got the memory of a goldfish. So I
will text you a few minutes prior to the game, okay,
to do what? So you have no excuse to wait?
What am I listening to the game because you are
six and oh as.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Listening to Rick and Dave? What what are listeners saying
about it?

Speaker 6 (44:51):
They are one behind me. Not a single person that
says skip it. Alright, I'm looking now at the text line.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Come on, Ross, do it for us.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
For your dedicated listeners, see Ross watched the game. Watch
the game on mute and listen to Dave on the radio.
M hmm, Ross, Today is National Breadstick Day.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
At our house.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
We're going to be giving away all the full sized breadsticks.
Oh need your address, mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Ross.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Have the game on k away in the background as
you perform other tasks.

Speaker 6 (45:19):
Speak because your wife will force you to do some yardwork,
so just have it in your pocket, put in your
butt in, and go for it.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Ross. With great power comes great responsibility. You have the
power to control broncos outcome. See now, people listening on
the podcast will have no idea what that little moment
of silence was. That I'm putting drag into extra work
having to cut copyrighted music out of the podcast. But
you are welcome to go onto YouTube and type in
pressure by the Kinks and have a listen to that

(45:47):
excellent probably late seventies under Pressure by Queen kind of
a punk ish song, Not under Pressure by Queen, not
this other pressure song that a listener texted.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
In about that I don't know, called too Much Pressure.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
By the electors, and I'll have to go check I'll
have to go check that out.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Ross.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
The best horror movie toss up between it's a live
or Christine. Remind me about Christine the Hunted Car. Okay,
that's what I thought. And you know what, so I
asked this question earlier in the show about favorite horror movie,
and nobody said Christine. And now I've got multiple people
saying Christine right now. Hmmm, Poultergeist?

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Why yep? Awesome?

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Ross one hundred. Listen to KOA please, Ross. If you're
gonna skip a game, do it now instead of later
in the season. Just don't skip a game. It's that easy.

Speaker 6 (46:38):
You're going to watch the game, so you might as
well just tune that out.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
There is actually a tricky thing going on here. Game
time on Sunday. I might be in the car because
Christine and I are taking a short road trip, you know,
an hour, hour.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
And a half road trip. Ninety four one FM easy.
Can you remind me of those frequencies again? Eight fifte
and what am I supposed to do?

Speaker 6 (47:01):
Listen to the Broncos on KOA when Saturday Sunday two
A five, No, it's an.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Early game it's an early game. Yeah, because it's an
away game. It's in Texas, so eleven o'clock. Yeah, I'm
pretty sure. Are you going to look it up? You
go look it up. Dragon's going to do some homework.
He'll give us the answer when we get back. I
might listen to the game.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
You have to.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
We have a lot of stuff still to do on
today's show that I want to just share with a
few things.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Is an early game. It is an early o'clock games.

Speaker 6 (47:31):
I'm gonna clock correct trying to text you at two
o five saying hey, listen to the game because that
won't work.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
But I shouldn't have corrected you. You shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
The only reason I corrected you is I didn't want.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Our listeners to miss it.

Speaker 6 (47:42):
Who are going to listen to the game on eight
fifty AM or ninety four to one FM or on
the iHeart app and you're just gonna say, hey, Siri,
play koa on I heard. Maybe it's not me, Maybe.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
There's somebody else who has the same listening pattern I do.
Who is the one actually causing the wins and losses?
And I've just it appears to be me, But it's
purely coincidence. See, I think we should test this. I
think I should not listen or both. But they have
to listen, and you see, I think I should not listen,
and then see the Broncos win, and then everybody wins,
and I'm off the hook.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
No, you're not off the hook.

Speaker 6 (48:14):
You're six and oh you are six and oh what
more proof do you need? The two losses that the
Broncos have this season. Roskaminsky did not listen.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
To the game.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
If you were to flip okay, here's a question for you.
If you were to flip a coin repeatedly, Well, if
you were to flip a coin six times, what are
the odds that it will come up heads all six times?

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Well, it's fifty fifty each time.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yes, it's fifty to fifty each time. What are the
odds that it comes up heads six times in a row?

Speaker 2 (48:51):
I don't know the math on that one.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
It's one out of sixty four, Okay, so it's not impossible.
That's like a percent and a half or something. So
even at my being six and oh, and this would
assume that the Broncos are fifty to fifty in every game,
but even to win the game. But even at six
and oh, there's still a non zero chance that it's

(49:13):
not me that's causing them to win. It's still at
least one and a half percent that they could win
without my listening.

Speaker 6 (49:20):
Now there's a great chance that they will win with
you listening. It's perfect. It's perfect headline from Denveright dot
Com from a couple of days ago. And we didn't
get to this, even though it's probably the single most
important story. Labor strike at Casa Benita includes fifty seven.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Divers, gorilla performers, and more. Now, we did tell you
on the show that this may be coming, and in fact,
I think I shared with you a statement from Brookshields.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Do you recall that?

Speaker 1 (49:50):
And I, at first when I saw brook Shields makes
a comment about whatever, I didn't understand why. But it
turns out that she's the head of that particular union
because these Cosa Benita workers have unionized. A guy named
David Levy, a spokesperson for that union, which is called
Actors Equity Association, said the entire unit is striking, which

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is fifty seven workers, and they are striking from a
couple of from yesterday, from yesterday up through a couple.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Of days from now.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
It's a three or four day strike, I think, and
so well, we'll.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
See how it plays out.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
One of the negotiators for the union said, we know
they can pay the wages we're asking for because they
already pay basically the same wages to the servers and bartenders.
Their insistence on paying dollars an hour less to the
performers reflects a choice and to philosophy to devalue performers. Now,
I actually want to just respond to that, and I'm

(50:46):
not taking a side in this.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
I really don't care who wins. I really don't.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I really don't. I don't need to elaborate that I
don't care, But I do want to just take on
that comment, that person's comment as a matter of logic.
I'm going to take on the second sentence first, because
it's easy enough and it's basically correct. Their insistence meaning
the owners of Cosabinino, which means the South Park guys.

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Their insistence on paying dollars an hour less to performers
reflects a choice.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Indeed it does.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Does it reflect a philosophy to devalue performers. Actually, that
part is probably not right after all, at least until now.
The performers have been willing to work for that price,
And it's not the job of a business owner to
pay workers more than you need to pay them to work. Now,
I'm not saying you shouldn't. I'm just saying you don't

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have to. You might want to for some other reason
to generate more loyalty, to keep them from accepting job
offers elsewhere. So I'm not saying I'm not saying it's
incumbent on a business to pay the very minimum required
to keep a worker working.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
But I am also.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Saying it's not incumbent upon a business to pay more
than that. It's a potentially a complicated, a complex choice. Now,
the first sentence is what I disagree with, And I
just want to take this on for a moment just
as a matter of basic economics and logic, And I'm
going to ask you to think about it yourself before
I tell you what I think. But what do you

(52:19):
think the problem might be in this sentence? We know
they can pay the wages we're asking for because they
already pay basically the same wages to the servers and bartenders.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
What do you think could be wrong with that sentence?

Speaker 1 (52:39):
As a matter of economics, and as a matter of logic,
I'll say it again, we know they can pay the
wages we're asking for because they already pay the same
wages to the servers and bartenders. What's wrong with that?
What's wrong with that? I'll come back to it in
a second. I'll let you ponder it for a second.
Casabanita responded at Casabanita, we value all of our.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Team members and their well being.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
As a policy, we don't comment on ongoing labor negotiations.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
I do wonder.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
I don't know the answer here, but about how operations
at the restaurant are going to change because a lot
of people go to the restaurant to see the performers,
the divers, the gorilla, all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
The Denver Post reported that.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
People with reservations at Casabanita got emails saying that their
reservations were still valid.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
I do wonder.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
You know what happens if someone goes, they've got a reservation,
they go, they get there and these entertainers aren't there,
and they're disappointed because that was half the reason or
a quarter of the reason, or seventy three percent of
the reason that they went.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
So I don't know how that will all play out.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
I don't know whether Casabanita will have to do something
special for the people who go if if the restaurant
is still open when the entertainers aren't there, we will
have to see if I were the restaurant. If I
were the restaurant, I would not close would because I
would not want to give the entertainers that leverage in
this negotiation. So I would stay open, and then I

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would do something like, Hey, we're really sorry that the
entertainers aren't here. Will give you free dessert, or we
will give you priority for another reservation whenever you want one,
and we'll give you free dessert both times, or something
like that. That's what I would do. Now, coming back

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to my question about logic and economics, it's not correct
to say that it must be true that Casabinita can
afford to pay these workers more because they're paying other
workers more.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Right, they have a budget.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Whatever their budget is, whatever their expenses are, that's what
they're spending.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
And if their budget is.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Based on being able to pay one group of workers
some amount and another group of workers a different amount,
and that comes together to be the budget that allows
them to operate the restaurant at a sufficient profit margin
for their own tastes or just to.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Keep the place open.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
It it does not logically follow that you can pay
everybody as much as you're paying you know, some other group.
And I'll give you an extreme example. I'll give you
an extreme example of this. Okay, when I get the
distinct joy and privilege of being able to man the

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parabolic microphones on the sideline of the Broncos game.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
So I did that? Was it last game? Dragon? Did
I do that for the last game? Correct? Yes, okay,
I did that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
By the way, I just oh, here's a cool thing.
Can I tell you this thing?

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Dragon?

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Of course, So I don't have to tell you who
Nick Ferguson is. So Nick is on our air all
the time, and Nick is a former Bronco. But Nick
has never done the sideline microphone. So I saw him
at the last game, and A and I were both
telling Nick how great it is to do the sideline microphone.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
And I knew that there was a game that had
an opening left.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
The Jacksonville Jaguars game in December had an opening, and
so I got in touch with the person who's in
charge of assigning the parabolic microphone operation, and I said,
Nick really wants to do one.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Here's where the story gets good.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
It turns out that actually both spots were open, not
just one spot. So Nick and I are gonna do
that game beautiful, So and I might do the game
of the week before.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Also that's a win, and that's a win. Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
So anyway, Nick, Nick Ferguson and I will be on
the on the sidelines if all goes according to plan.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
He'll be on one sideline. I'll be on the other sideline.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Then we switch at halftime for the Jacksonville game, and
I'm gonna have a chance to kind of coach Nick.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
On how to do this because there's a lot to
kind of doing it right.

Speaker 6 (56:57):
Is he gonna be able to stay on the sidelines
the whole time?

Speaker 2 (56:59):
You think? In what way? I mean because he's Nick Ferguson.

Speaker 6 (57:04):
Yeah, he played, so he's used to you know, okays
going out there?

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Okay, Yes and no. In the past, the answer would
have been yes. But lately, and especially after the attack
on the building that had the NFL offices in New
York City, all NFL teams have tightened up a lot
on security, a lot, and this includes the Broncos.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
But I'm not picking on the Broncos.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Because this is just what's happened in the league. And
so a lot of folks who used to be able
to get sideline credentials, like former players, aren't getting them anymore.
And so I think Nick is not getting on the
sidelines as much as he used to. But even so,
this is just so cool and I'm so excited to

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do it. And how about that, Like I get to
I get to kind of be the guy to bring
a former player, you get into the coach, I get
to coach him. I get to coach Nick Ferguson. So
that's that's uh, oh, you're listening to the game, so
we'll win. That's a That's a pretty fantastic thing. And
so getting back to this thing I was saying about
how the Casabanita worker's argument is illogical, saying they can

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pay us x because they're paying.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Other people X.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
And this is kind of how I got onto that
whole sideline tangent. But when I handled a microphone on
the sideline, when I handled the microphone on the sideline
of the last game, there were times during the game
when I were I was standing near it was the
Cowboys game. I was standing near on the Cowboys sideline
Dak Prescott. I don't know how many millions of dollars

(58:38):
a year Dak Prescott makes a lot. Ceedee Lamb walked
right by me, their star wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
He makes a lot.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
When I was on the Broncos sideline, I was right
near Quinn Miners. Is an enormous contract Courtland Sutton, who
just signed a we used.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
We did this right? What was it?

Speaker 1 (58:55):
It was like, how many millions of dollars Courtland Sutton's
new contract?

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Can you look that up for me? Dragon?

Speaker 1 (59:02):
How much is Courtland Sutton's new contract?

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Anyway?

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Bo Nix's standing there, You had all these players standing
right around me who make millions and millions and millions
of dollars. And I remember we talked about the Courtland
Suttons take.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
A million contract extension.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Ninety two million dollars over four years, right, that's right?

Speaker 2 (59:21):
So okay, I.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Remember it was it was ninety two million over four years,
And I said, I think I'm close to signing my
own contract. That's just like that, except it's ninety two
thousand over four years instead of ninety two million over
four years, which is almost the same because the only
difference between the numbers are zeros, and zeros are just zero.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
So it's kind of like the same thing, right.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
So anyway, here's my point, my bad analogy point, And
this is really kind of a serious point, even though
I'm making an absurd version of it. As I'm standing
there around these high dollar players.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
And around the coach, who else is around me?

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Young players, new players, coaches, water boys and girls, right,
the staff that takes care of if a player comes
off the field injured, right, the medical staff, and all
these people who are all and I'm not even talking
about NFL employees, okay, and I'm not talking about the

(01:00:23):
security guys. I'm talking about people who work for the Broncos.
The argument from the Casabanita people, hey, you can pay
the actors as much as you pay the waiters, because
you pay the waiters that amount, would be like saying
that the Broncos could afford to pay the rookie third

(01:00:44):
string safety or the water boy or the offensive line
coach the same amount of money they play courtlandt pay
Courtland Sutton, because well, if you're paying him that amount,
you can pay us amount.

Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
That's not how it works not to ruin your bad analogies.
But a Texter did come in and say something along
lines of flight attendants using pilot's salaries for negotiation.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
There you go, There you go now, I will say, obviously,
the difference in the salary between the Cosabinda entertainers and
the waiters is much smaller than the difference between Courtland
Sutton and some rookie, or Courtland Sutton and theton and the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Offensive line coach. But the concept is the same.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Just because the company can and does pay somebody some
amount doesn't mean they can afford to pay everybody that amount.
I'm so, I just didn't like that as a matter
of logic. Again, I still don't care who wins the argument.
I still don't care who. You know, how the whole
thing works out, I hope, I hope it works out
so that everybody's a little bit unhappy, because that's how
you know you had a good negotiation.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Right, all right?

Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
We all care that Ross listens to the game Saturday
Sunday morning.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Ross, when you're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
The parabolic mike, do you have a headset on and
can you hear scifically what your microphone is picking up?

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Yes? To all of that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
It's not only that I can hear what my microphone
is picking up, and I can adjust the volume of
my microphone specifically to turn up or down how much
I'm hearing my own microphone, but I also hear everything.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Going on in the booth.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
So I hear Dave Logan and Rick Lewis talking to
each other. I hear Susie Wargen. For just an example, Suji,
Susie will be standing on the sideline saying, I've got
some news for you about Marvin Mims just went in
the blue tent. I've got an update on that. Do
you want it? And then Alan Jackson, our esteemed executive

(01:02:43):
producer and all around great guy, will say to Susie,
could be yeah, hang on, we'll get to you in
thirty seconds, or no, we don't have time right now,
but we want to do that thing. So let's see
if we get a break in the next few minutes
or we're just not going to get to I get
to hear all of that. It's very very interesting, right,

(01:03:04):
or like when we're coming back from an ad break
or yeah, when we're coming back from maybe there maybe
it's a two minute warning and there's a two and
a half break minute break in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
So we're running some commercials.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
I hear aj Alan Jackson asked, you know, Dave and Rick,
like a few seconds before they're supposed to go on,
he says to them ready, and then they say ready,
and then like a second or so before they're supposed
to start talking, he says, go, I.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Believe it, and then they talk.

Speaker 6 (01:03:33):
Actually, Grant, that counts them down from the spot, is
it yes?

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Maybe? Are you sure? Yes? Because I've done that role?
Oh okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Their voices are kind of similar then, but the stuff
with the Susie and all that, that's that's through AJ
And it's very anyway, it's very fascinating to hear what's
going on behind the scenes. So and then when the
game is on, I'm just hearing what they're saying over
the air.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
I'm hearing it on my in my microphone. So I
do hear all that. Dragon.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Why would Ross listen to the game if he's actually
standing there, because because I have to, and I do.
By the way, I really really like listening to Rick
and Dave with the headphones on rather than just standing
there and watch the game, because they see a lot
of stuff from overhead that I don't see and they'll get.
And also sometimes it's the other way right sometimes, like

(01:04:19):
for example, a player will get hurt and they can't
tell who it is, and I can tell who it is,
but I don't have any way to communicate with them
fast enough.

Speaker 6 (01:04:26):
They have a spot her up there anyway, Right, turn
your parabolic mic around, whisper into it, because it's a
parable mike. You don't want to just right, But Rick
and Dave, I don't think you're hearing that anyway. So
there's that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Is Dragon not going with you next month when you
switch time slots and shows, Dragon is going to produce
all of my show and all of the Michael Brown show.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Ross. Can you point to the fans and Eves drop? Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
I can also point to players and coaches and Eves drop,
and I do. Last game, I heard some Cowboys players
and I turned the mic toward them and kind of
caught them. Although a lot of typically that's happening when
the game isn't on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
When the game is going, I'm pointing at the game and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Catching the sounds of the game, the official whistles and
the crash of players.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
You know, crashing into each other.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
And so usually when I get to the time where
I'm able to eavesdrop, it is when the game audio
is not going out over the air because it's you know,
a commercial or some other break.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
He's dropping on.

Speaker 6 (01:05:30):
The opposite team is not cheating because our team can't
hear our broadcast.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Our team can't hear.

Speaker 6 (01:05:39):
So it's not like, you know, Sean Payton sitting there
listening to you point the parabolac mic at the opposite coach.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
You know what I do wonder about sometimes, and this
happens a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Let's say during the game there's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
A a near interception should have been intercepted, and the
cornerback that it's his hands and it just and it
falls to the ground, he doesn't catch it, and I'm
standing near a coach doesn't have to be the head coach,
any coach, or even a player, but this is more
often with a coach, and they'll drop an F bomb

(01:06:12):
or something else like that, right, and I catch it, shoot, yeah, yeah,
I catch it, and I fiddle. I do think that
goes out over the air. As long as my thing
is going out over the air at that moment, I.

Speaker 6 (01:06:23):
Don't I don't know, it depends on the mix that
our engine I can't remember his name for the life
right now. Jesse, Jesse the engineer, and he does together.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
I don't even know that he's listening that closely because
he's so busy making sure that everything's so you know,
going the right way on his mix.

Speaker 6 (01:06:39):
As well as if it's a home game versus away game,
whether or not we are in delay, and if it
if we are not in delay as sway as the station. Yeah,
there's kind of that white gray area saying it's a fleeting.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Expletive right, And also I will say that more often
than not, if you can hear that, it wouldn't be
the primary thing hearing. Would be kind of in the background.
You'd hear that as somebody kind of yelled at, but
it would still be quite a bit quieter, much quieter
than whatever Dave or Rick, for example, is saying at
the time. Is the mic recording NFL property or KOA property?

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
I'm pretty sure it's NFL of our audio, yes.

Speaker 6 (01:07:23):
Because we have to pay the Broncos that pays the NFL,
So I believe that's NFL stuff, which is why you
probably hear when you hear Old Broncos Super Bowl victories. Yeah,
you hear Dave Logan's call versus the actual NBC CBS
from whoever actually did the broadcast.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
You hear the Jave's calls.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
But wouldn't that argue it for being our property rather
than the NFL's.

Speaker 6 (01:07:45):
Property because they like Dave Moore. That could be, but
it is. It is NFL Broncos than KOA last.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Last thing, real quick, and then we got a guest.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
In the next segment. Do you get to talk to
the cheerleaders? I could, but I feel like that would
come across as a little bit creepy, So I don't.
They're working, They're really working. They're focused on their own thing.
I used to know one of the gals who was
a cheerleader, who isn't anymore because she romy bean because

(01:08:15):
she works here for a while and now she's on TV.
So there were one or two times when I charge,
what's that CBS, Yes, local CBS.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Sports, Yeah, awesome for her.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
So I would say hi to her once or twice
when when she was over there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
But that's it, all right, We're gonna take quick break.
Got an interesting guest when we come back very quick
thing before we get to my special guest.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
I want to spend a bit of time in the
rest of the hour after I talk with my guests
doing ask me anything.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I haven't done that in a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
And Dragon noted, you know, we got a lot of
interesting questions already, So anything you want to ask me
about it, pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Anything I'll probably answer.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Text me at five six six nine zero and I'll
answer your questions on the air over the rest of
this hour. But after we talk with the mayor of Littleton.
Kyle Schlackter is the mayor of Littleton. And when I
was on vacation a couple weeks back, whenever that was
Jimmy Singenberger was in for me, and Jimmy interviewed a

(01:09:13):
dude whose name I don't remember because I didn't listen
about ballot Measure three to a in Littleton, which I've
talked about a bit on the show. And Kyle, mayor
of Littleton, emailed me to say he would appreciate the
opportunity to be on the show because he thought that guest,
who was in favor of the ballot measure, he thought
that guest said some things that were incorrect about the

(01:09:34):
ballot measure, and also said some things that were incorrect
or worse about Kyle himself.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
So, Kyle, welcome to Kaoway. It's good to have you.
Good morning.

Speaker 7 (01:09:46):
I'm happy Halloween.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Yeah, same to you. Do you have kids, by the way,
I do. I do Halloween aged kids.

Speaker 7 (01:09:53):
I got a fourteen year old and nine year old?

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. So are you gonna go out
with like a.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
Thirteen what is it, thirteen gallon trash bag with your
kids and have them just fill up with absolutely as
much as they can get this year?

Speaker 7 (01:10:08):
We'll just follow them around and see what they get. Yeah,
they run off and all the parents kind of follow
them in a pack.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
M okay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Let's talk about the reason you wanted to be here today,
and I want to separate into two things.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
And we got about five or six minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
So you said that some things were said that were
wrong about the ballot measure, and then you said some
things were said that we're wrong about you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Let's start with the ballot measure.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
And again I did not hear that interview, but I
know that the guest is in favor of the ballot measure,
and in fact, give me give me nineteen seconds because
I like prime numbers on what the ballot measure would
do if it passed, and then we'll talk about what
you thought were the inaccuracies in that conversation.

Speaker 7 (01:10:47):
Yeah, the ballot measure would basically freeze a single family
land use here in Littleton. And I'd like to give
a shout out to my friend and constituent Christa Kaper,
who actually wrote a lovely article about it to the
Denver Post last week and explain why she voted no.
And I want to quote her here when she said
this proposal would amend the city's charter to restrict land

(01:11:08):
use property rights and change it to single family homes
and neighborhoods. The proposal would direct barriers to the building
of affordable housing such as du books, condos, tom homes,
and ADUs, and make it more difficult for people to
find affordable homes for purchase in Littleton or to alter
their own property to meet their needs.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Okay, got it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
And christ is a longtime, longtime friend of mine as well,
and actually fills in for me sometimes here on the
on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
So let me just.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Take one moment here, because I see both arguments. I
fully understand Christa's argument, and I'm guessing you're against the
ballot measure as well for affordable housing reasons. And also
there's something to be said about property rights here here
as well, to be able to do kind of what
you want to with your property.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
The other side is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
I kind of get the argument from folks who say,
we've lived in this neighborhood for two twenty five years
as single family only neighborhood and we don't want it
to change. So I kind of see both sides, do.

Speaker 7 (01:12:06):
You, Well, yeah, I do. I mean I live in
a single family home. I love my neighborhood, and you know,
I also understand that my property rights and at my property.
You know, I think some of the things that mister
Harris kept saying that we're wrong. He kept saying that
these duplexes and town homes were going to be imposed
on residents, and that's simply not true. You know, our

(01:12:27):
land use code allows for buildings that are up to
thirty feet in height right now, and we do not
have that many homes that are three stories tall. So
just because something is allowed doesn't mean it will be built.
And I think ADUs are a great example of that.
Because we heard the sky was falling when we first
initially allowed them to be built in a small area

(01:12:47):
of the city that had alleys, and only three were
built over a five year period, and so that wasn't
the big dramatic change that the opponents claimed that would
happen then. And the other thing that he said was
there was no implication for accessory dwell on units or
ADUs in this charter amendment, and that is just simply
not right because this land. This charter amendment would take

(01:13:12):
us back to January of twin twenty five, when detached
ADUs were only allowed in a very small portion of
the city at the north end of the city, on
small lots that had alleys. Now currently you can build
a detached ADU anywhere across the city. So if this
charter member were passed, that would take away property rights
to build an ADU for almost everyone in the city.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Okay, So do you think was that the main thing
that he said that you wanted to just correct on
the air, that the ADU. You know, I just want
to make sure we get that done and then we
can talk about, you know, what he said about you
that you thought was improper, and we got about two minutes.

Speaker 7 (01:13:49):
Idea that this charter amendment doesn't impact ADUs because they
were allowed. ADUs were allowed in just a small portion
of the city before, so it takes us back to
a time period when they weren't allowed more widely. And
then the fact that you know, do puxes would be
imposed on people, you know, the fact.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
You know, I don't feel that they're ought to start
to interrupt you just in the interest of time, that
the thirty foot height limit.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Will that stay in place.

Speaker 7 (01:14:13):
That's what the code was back in January. That's what
the code has been for a long time. And right,
But the idea that yeah, okay, in place, Yeah, that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Okay, So you're not looking to change that so that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
People can now build fifty foot tall, you know, six
unit buildings or something like that.

Speaker 7 (01:14:29):
There was never any attempts to change the height.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
The height limit, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Yeah, And I will note for listeners also, you know,
when Kyle says this would take us back to such
and such a time, a lot of people talk that
way in other political issues, in a figurative sort of sense. Oh,
if this passes, it'll be like going back to the
nineteen fifties, right. This is actually the text of the
bill is literally says that we're going to freeze our

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our zoning rules at such and such a date. So
it's not a metaphor, it's a literal thing. Now, I
almost at a time here, Kyle, you said in the
email to me that the guest said some things about
you personally that you objected to, and you wanted to
have the chance to respond.

Speaker 7 (01:15:12):
Can you do That's interesting that, Yeah, he personally attacked
me and said that I was appointed by the governor
to my day job at the Colorida Department of Agriculture.
And I find it interesting because I've worked for the
Colorido Wineboard since twenty ten, when Governor Polis was in
his first term in Congress and when Governor River's office.
So I don't see how my job has anything to

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do with three A. You know, if we're making employment
a part of this discourse, you know, then my opponents,
who's actually a mortgage lender, would have a financial interest
in driving up housing costs so he can make more money.
I don't see how housing has any impact on the
wine industry here in Colorado. I think what he was
doing was implying that I'm afraid to stand up to
the governor because I worked for the state, and he's

(01:15:53):
actually solely mistaken because I've testified multiple times against the
housing legislation that Governor Polis pushed over the past few years.
And you know, I'm the vice chair of the Metro
Mayor's Caucus and I've been one of the leaders in
the region to stand up for home rule authority. You know,
I've introduced resolutions for the Lilton City Council to oppose
those bills and they were passed by council. And you know,

(01:16:14):
my opponent has never testified at the state capital, and
he was basically mia when it came to talking with
our state representatives to push back against these state preemption
and that's I've been there pushing back against the same
for home rule. And so I took personal offense that
he said my day job has anything to do with this.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
Yeah, I'd be offended by that too if I were
in if I were in your spot. So yeah, folks,
I mean, I didn't hear the original interview with whoever
that guest was that Jimmy had on that person is
in favor of three A. Kyle Schlackter is the mayor
of Littleton. He opposes three A. I don't live in
Littleton anymore used to, so I'm not I'm not going
to take a position on this bill. You can read

(01:16:52):
what Chris Kaper said as as Kyle just shared with
us and make up your own mind if if you
live in Littleton. Kyle slack Or, Mayor of Littleton, thanks
for your time, appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (01:17:02):
Thanks for hatting me on.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
We're gonna take a quick break.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
We'll be right back on KOA, ask me anything, and
then take most of the next segment to do ask
me anything, meaning you can text in anything you want
to ask me at five six six' nine.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Zero i'll take participation in this, too.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
And dragon will filter through the questions that you. Send oh,
yeah and you can Ask dragon any question you want
to ask. Him, also, right you can ask either one
of us and but whether actually that would be an interesting.
Thing but it is The Ross Kaminsky. Show, no but
we know other people to participate as. Well it's not just.
Participation we know who's really in. Charge so here's what
we're gonna. Do you text in anything you want to

(01:17:39):
ask me Or dragon at five six six nine. Zero
dragon will choose among the questions for me and give
those to, me AND i will choose among the questions
For dragon and give those to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Him who do you think is going to get more?

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Questions and WE i think you, will and we will
do this IN i, mean if you're by the, way
if you're, smart you want to Ask dragon the, question
especially if he knows your name or phone.

Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
Number, clearly if you want to get through a lot
of the, questions Because ross answering your, question it's going
to take five minutes five.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Questions, true got a show to fill. Here this is
semi professional, Radio, Okay so.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Texting at five six six nine, zero and we'll do,
that and then we'll do name that tune in the
next segment of the. Show but let me just do
two or three minutes right, here because a listener Named
christy who emails me quite a, bit AND i enjoy her. Emails,
actually one of the THINGS i enjoy very much About
christy is her politics and mind are very very different
from each. Other and so she sends me stuff from
a you, know center left to further left than that

(01:18:40):
point of view and links and asks me this and
that and the other, thing and it's it's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
FUN i like.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
IT i love being in contact with people who don't
agree with me but are polite about it most of the.
Time so she, said, hey can we talk about horror
movies today instead of the horrible condition of our? Country,
Right so there's there's a little bit of her political.
Viewpoint but, still let me just do a little bit on.
This i've heard about, this BUT i haven't researched it very.

(01:19:07):
Much but the making of the movie The omen back
in nineteen seventy six, apparently or it was released in seventy,
six but they started making it the previous. Year apparently
a lot of bad stuff happened in the making of
this Movie. Dragon are you aware of this? Stuff i've?

Speaker 6 (01:19:25):
Heard it could just be like the fairy tales and
the rumors and everything to try and build up the.
Things IS i think the similar things about the Movie,
poltergeist THE tv And Little girl and all that kind
of weird stuff. There SO i WOULDN'T i wouldn't deny
if it wasn't, true or wouldn't not believe it if it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Was.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Yeah so In september of seventy, Five Gregory, peck who
was starring that movie was on a plane flying To
london and lightning hit the. Plane now that is not
completely unheard. Of it's, unusual but not completely unheard. Of
so lightning hit his. Plane and then soon after the
executive producer was.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
On a plane going to La his plane was also
struck by. Lightning so twice in just a few.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Weeks and then the Writer David, seltzer his plane was
struck by. Lightning and then while filming In. Rome and
this is not an airplane, thing but a lightning. Thing
lightning just missed the, producer whose name Is Harvey. Bernard,
so as they say in this in this article at
collider dot, com lightning may never strike, twice but four

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times into different people whose only six degrees of separation
at the time was really zero degrees of separation because
they're all working on THE.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Omen that's. Eerie but there's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
More what Else the planned filming of an action scene
for The, omen which was.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Delayed it meant That Gregory peck wasn't needed on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
The, set so a private jet that the crew was
going to charter to bring him in wasn't. Necessary the next,
day news arrived that the plane they had intended to
book for, him hit a flock of words and, crashed
killing everybody on. Board while that was tragic, enough the
plane when it crashed hit a.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Car on the, road killing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
Everybody in the, car and who was in the car
the wife and two children of the pilot of the
airplane that crashed on.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Them are you?

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Kidding at the time of, Filming london was under a
rash of explosions from the from THE. Ira what was
uncommon was two incidents that again struck people associated with the.
Film the producer was Sky or the, writer probably already
on edge after his plane was struck by, lightning was

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planning to eat at a restaurant near where they were,
filming but no seats were available after a bomb gutted.
It and then the day after, filming the hotel that
one of the directors had stayed at was also.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Bombed are you?

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Kidding that were used to portray the Hell hounds would
often turn and attack their trainers and seriously injured a.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Stuntman.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Crazy the most tragic event tied to the, curse, however
would Befall Liz, moore assistant To John, richardson who was
a special effects. Designer they were driving through The, netherlands
and along the way they were in a bad car.
Accident richardson escaped with minor, injuries But moore was decapitated
by a tire that smashed through their. Car the fact

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is sickening, enough but there's a ghastly parallel to the.
Movie in one, scene a photographer who is helping the
Character Richard, thorne That's Gregory peck's, character Researched damien's. Origins this,
Photographer Keith, jennings is killed when he is decapitated by
a sheet of glass that falls off a construction vehicle while.
Driving and if that wasn't creepy, enough the accident occurred

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On august, Thirteenth, Friday august.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Thirteenth, oh and it was right by a road.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Sign that indicated it was sixty six point.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Six kilometers away from another. Town so there you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Go the curse of the omen text inder ask me,
anything questions to me or dragon at five six six
nine zero doesn't MEAN i was, Fired just so you,
Know i'm Just i've got to have a day off On,
monday don't there's still. Time let's do a little bit
of Ask Me, anything which is a segment we do
from time to, time and we should probably do more.

(01:23:24):
Often but where you can ask me, anything or you
can Ask dragon, anything you can text those in at
five six six nine, zero AND i will choose the
questions For dragon to go to, him and he will
choose the questions for me that go to. Me and
just one very quick, Thing, dragon before we start, THIS
a listener asked, earlier and you AND i were wondering,
aloud who owns the audio THAT i pick up from

(01:23:46):
the parabolic microphone that goes TO koa and then goes
out on THE koa. Broadcast And, dave our program, directors,
said THE nfl and The broncos own that, audio which
is what you, thought just.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
AS i, suspect just as.

Speaker 6 (01:23:59):
Useless and we love doing these ask us any things,
things not because we're, lazy but because it's nice to
know what you guys are wandering around out, there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
And because we're. Lazy could it be? Both could it be?

Speaker 6 (01:24:13):
Both i'll start with one that's not exactly a. Question
i'll turn it into a. Question this is what was
texted IN. Psa, remember if teenagers are trick or, treating
they are choosing to do innocent things and not causing,
trouble give them, candy, thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
THOUGHTS i was reading an article about this, actually about
How halloween has evolved over the, years AND i, mean
like over one hundred years into what it is, now
which is one all the candy and also how did
you check this?

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Out?

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
Dragon almost half Of halloween costume spending this year will
be for, adults, OH i believe, it and not for,
kids and so it's becoming more and more and more
of an adult. Thing but to get to the, list
back in the, day Apparently halloween was more a night
of going out to like do pranks and do tricks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
And cause mischief and cause.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Mischief and over time the mischief started getting kind of
aggressive and destructive and lots of vandalism and breaking. Things
AND i don't know if this is urban legend or,
not but the concept, is you, know give them candy
and give them something to do that's not destroying. Things
and he's the phrase trick or tree right, Right so

(01:25:31):
if you give me a, penny you're gonna get a damn.
Trick but to get to WHAT i think the listener is,
asking you, know how WOULD i feel if a seventeen
year old showed up asking for. Candy i'll give you my,
answer and THEN i want your. Answer, OKAY i am
fully down with free. Candy AND i don't care how
old you, are as long as you put in the.

(01:25:52):
Work don't show up in your work, clothes don't show
up in your street, clothes your.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Sweatsuit do a.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
Little, work put on some makeup or a costume or.
Something put in a little, effort and then you will
have earned the. Candy AND i don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
How old you. Are what about you? Driving completely?

Speaker 6 (01:26:05):
Agree put forth some, Effort, yeah and you get, candy all?

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Right? Dragon can you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Smell ross's filthy legs when you're in the same?

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Room not Often.

Speaker 6 (01:26:19):
Ross Does ross know how much his property taxes will
be in the new, house since the rate hikes are
the reason why he moved in the first.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Place so, yes in a, SENSE i, do because we
just did we just. Recently as you are all, aware
if you own a, home the reassessments for property, values
and you, know my house THAT i bought was a
piece of, junk by, far the cheapest house in a
long time in that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Neighborhood and believe.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
It or, not my property tax assessment came in very
close to WHAT.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
I paid for.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
It so for two, Years i'm gonna have these very
very low assessments AND i know what they, are AND
i know about how much the tax is gonna. Be
and then when they reassess based on the Remodeling i'm doing,
now then it'll go up AND i don't know how.
MUCH i don't know how much that will. Be real
quick follow, Up, Yeah, ross are we gonna be able
to see before and after?

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Pictures? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Probably, Yeah i'll do. That, Dragon are you gonna get
wait where'd that?

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Go are you gonna get stuck With ross in his
new time? Slot and will the new intro song Be Neil? Young?
Yes and oh, GOD i hope.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
YES i actually know what the new intro song is
BECAUSE i chose it yesterday and not by. Myself it
was a, collaboration me And dave And gina and we
worked through some, things SO i actually know what the
song is and it's Not Neil. Young it's a good, song,
though it's especially a good song for a show that's pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Early in early in the. Morning let's see what? Else what?
Else what? Else hold? On there's so many?

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Here, Dragon what do you do before, Right, now what
do you do before you get To ross's show at ten?

Speaker 6 (01:27:54):
O'CLOCK i work with The communche And Michael. Brown and
what time do you get to? WORK i get here
just before five. Am the show goes from six to
ten over on six point thirty k how which we'll
be moving to nine to noon here ON.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Koa here you, go all, right your? Turn oh? Boy?

Speaker 6 (01:28:11):
Uh how does the producer thing? Work as if you
work for two different? Stations? Ross what station do you work?
FOR i don't work for a.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
STATION i work For Dragon, redbeard AND i do whatever
he tells me to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Do what station are you currently? ON? Koa and the
STATION i am currently on IS?

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
Koa, yes but a few hours ago you were on
a different, Station So.

Speaker 6 (01:28:29):
I'm not really sure how that question kind of kind
of works. Out but, yes we both work under The iHeart. Bubble,
yes So i'm sure if The fox called up and, said, Hey,
ross you want to fill in for a weekend, Shift
i'm Sure ross would be, like, heck, yeah, yeah, yeah
it's just the The iHeart, bubble the. Bubble, okay let's,
see there's so many interesting. Questions The bronco parabolic mic

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position a paid position or DRAFTED koa employees or.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Families it is not.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Paid it is, volunteer and it is usually EITHER koa
employees OR koa employees on one and their friends on,
another or even FORMER koa employees Like beardo does it a.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Lot beardo Hasn't he's a cool, Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Kyle he hasn't been here in a while as an,
employee but he still he still does it a fair.
Bit and it's it's The it is the greatest perk
of my.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Job i'm not. Kidding i'm not getting.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
There there is no better perk of this job than
doing the sideline. MICROPHONES i absolutely freaking love. It what
is the velocity of an unladen? Swallow what do you
mean An african Or european? Swallow let's? See, no, eh
hold on the screen keeps refreshing on.

Speaker 5 (01:29:41):
ME i.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
PAUSE a celebrity, crush, dragon what's your favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Flavor Of miller?

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Moth, oh Dear, God, no, no just no celebrity. Crush
if you got to think about, it it's not a. Crush,
yeah or you have just too many, yeah OR i
have too.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
MANY i don't.

Speaker 6 (01:30:01):
Know mine's pretty simple AND i get a lot of
weird looks WHEN i say, It Christina, ricci just something about.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
Her you know WHO i you know WHO i think
is pretty, hot although she has odd taste in.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Men Is Megan. Fox, YEAH i think she's very good.
Looking how do you think about the? Thumbs? THOUGH i
don't know what's the thumb?

Speaker 6 (01:30:20):
Thing look it up right, Now Megan Megan fox, Thumbs, yeah,
OKAY i mean everything else is. GREAT i, mean if
you're really gonna be that nitpicky about, her then The.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
Megan fox's thumbs are the result of a genetic condition
called breaky dectily TYPE. D common referred to as clubbed
thumbs or toe. Thumbs the condition causes the last bone
in her thumbs to be shorter than, normal resulting in
a more stubby.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Appearance with, wider shorter. Nails it's an inherited trait with
no serious health. Risks, wow who? Knews still? Hot? Oh
totally still? Hot totally, Yeah, okay there's a.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Picture, yeah her thumb's kind of her thumb was a little,
Short ALTHOUGH i MIGHT i might not have might not
have noticed.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
It if you hadn't said it to. ME i MEAN
i never't noticed it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Before but then her thumbs are probably not the part
of Her i'm looking.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
At probably not probably.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
RIGHT i, mean, Uh, dragon you didn't answer that question
about your favorite flavor Of Miller moth.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
H.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
Dragon when you out went out For halloween as a,
kid did you have to tell a joke at a
at any given house to get?

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Candy we did for.

Speaker 6 (01:31:34):
Fun WHEN i went to the with a group of
kids that we, had we did tell jokes for. Fun
it wasn't a requirement in the. Neighborhood if that's what you're.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
Asking, yeah this listener says In Des moines we did,
that and according to The Des Moines, register it got started.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
There that's an interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
One let me JUST i want to answer a listener
question that a bunch of people have asked today and
a bunch of people asked yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
In the day before about the new.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
SHOW i just want to just sort of be super
clear about the new show thing for a, second and
then we'll get back to more of. These and by the,
way keep your questions coming at, five, six, six nine.
Zero so, again if you hadn't heard, already my show is. Moving.
Uh currently it's nine am to. Noon we're gonna go
to six. Am to NINE, am and this current time
slot will will Become Michael brown who's coming over from

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our sister station khow the exact same MOVE i. Made
and then the rest of our the rest of our
lineup is essentially. Unchanged five to six will Be Colorado's
Morning news With Gina, gondeck.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Just as it is.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Now six to nine will Be Ross kaminski on The
news With Gina. Gondeck so there's, that and then and
then you Got, brownie and then you've Got, mandy who
is mostly not impacted by, this except for the the
very very negative change for her that she won't get
to chat with me every, day Which i'm sure she feels,

(01:32:54):
terrible terrible. About so she just scoffed at. That that
WAS i WOULD i WOULD i would CALL i would
call that a. Scoff it sounded like a.

Speaker 8 (01:33:05):
SCOFF i could not figure out why the volume control
for the headphones is not working when the headphones were
not plugged.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
In oh so it Wasn't it wasn't a Scofe, no.

Speaker 4 (01:33:13):
It was my OWN i have a question for ask me.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
Anything oh, wait hold, on let me just finish this
one thing and then we'll do yours follow up on
What ross is talking, here so then then we'll get to. Me,
Okay so a bunch of people are asking what will
the new show be, like since it's moving into a
time slot where there there is for now and will
for another, week is Be Colorado's Morning, news the news obviously,
earlier it will it'll be. Earlier LUCKILY i get up
earlier early, already so it won't be an impact for me.

(01:33:38):
There the show is going to be very very much
like my current. Show it is not going to be
very much Like Colorado's Morning news that it is as
it is. Now it's going to be a lot more,
talk a lot more reacting to what's going on in the.
News there will be a good amount of participation From,
gina WHO i love bintering, with and so that we'll

(01:33:58):
we'll have more of that than exists in my current
show right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Now but it's really going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
A a talk show with a good dose of news
and other things rather than the kind of news show that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
You have from you, know five to nine sixty nine right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Now and, YES i will still do interviews authors all
that stuff THAT i.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Do i'm going to keep doing that. TOO i actually
the other day.

Speaker 8 (01:34:21):
Yesterday as a matter of, fact just think about it like,
This it'll be Like Gina gondeck will be To Ross,
kaminski Like Robin quiversy is To Howard. Stern, indeed only
there will be. No i'm just gonna go ahead and say.
IT i don't think there's going to be any naked
people on this. Show so that's where it really veers.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
Away will you be throwing blowney at? Strippers?

Speaker 4 (01:34:41):
Certainly, No, no none of.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
That none of that will.

Speaker 8 (01:34:44):
Happen it's you, know if you're looking for something to
sort of wrap your head. AROUND i think that's a
good analogy without the dirty parts and cruelty of The Howard.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
STURGEY i.

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
AGREE i think that's a good and actually it's funny
When gina AND i were talking about this when the
concept first came, up and she was, asking, Like, ross
what do you picture my role being?

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
Like AND i, said Like robin To. Howard. Yep so
there you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
Go AND i THINK i might have gotten that from
our program Director, dave who's a Huge Howard stern.

Speaker 8 (01:35:11):
FAN i use that analogy with our program. Directors he
might have got it for. Me i'm just saying, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
So, yeah he might have one one, other just quick
thing before we get to Whatever dragon is going to.
Do you apparently have come up with an acronym for my.

Speaker 8 (01:35:23):
SHOW i have ross on the news, rotten so it's
rotten With Gina. GONDECK i, mean think of the, marketing
think of the branding rotten. ROTTEN i, mean you don't
wash your legs ross so ALREADY i feel.

Speaker 4 (01:35:39):
Like you, KNOW i wash them when they're.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
Dirty they're just not dirty all the. Time and then
When i'm showering the water is running down my. Legs
it's not Like i'm blocking the water from running down
my legs.

Speaker 4 (01:35:48):
From the rest of your body's running over your dirty.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
Legs you, THINK i.

Speaker 8 (01:35:52):
Am this is this like when you add or multiply
two negatives you get a positive kind of?

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Thing is?

Speaker 7 (01:35:57):
It?

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
Thinking it could?

Speaker 4 (01:35:58):
Be, okay here's my. Question and why how do people
drink diet? SODA i?

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Do oh, God i'm used to it.

Speaker 8 (01:36:05):
Now i'm not a soda. PERSON i drink a lot
of club. Soda But i've GOT i can't kick this
man cold THAT i had last. Weekend it was terrible AND.

Speaker 4 (01:36:15):
I can't quite get rid.

Speaker 8 (01:36:16):
Of like the flimmy, congestion and sometimes you just need
a good hit of phosphoric acid right to kind of
cut through.

Speaker 7 (01:36:23):
That and.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
SO i got a diet.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
Coke there's a.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
Reason people use coke or diet coke to, uh to
strip rust off of middle tools exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
WHY i was, LIKE i just need a little.

Speaker 8 (01:36:37):
Hit of phosphoric acids to really kind of you, KNOW
i get things and.

Speaker 4 (01:36:42):
And it, worked BUT i got like halfway through it was, Like,
god why do people drink?

Speaker 7 (01:36:47):
This?

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
TWICE i get your point about diet.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
Soda and if you've only had soda with with with
good sugar like In, mexico or with the corn syrup
junk like we have, here and then you go to diet,
soda really.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Does taste kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
Different But i've been drinking it so long That i'm
used to. It here's the Thing i'm sure you. Have
have you looked at how many grams of sugar there
are in a can of mountain, dew WHICH i. Love
it's like an impossible. Amount you can't imagine how they get,
whatever but it's like forty four grams of sugar in twelve.
Ounces how do you even do? That as a matter
of chemistry and phish.

Speaker 8 (01:37:19):
Drink that's WHY i was drink fizzy, water which is
what's Fizzy water's just to lie though you like you open.
Up there is The Simple truth brand At King super
it's their organic brand whatever they. Have this it Was
cranberry lime sparkling. Water And i'm, like you know, what
sign me, Up, Roth i'll get some of.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
That and SEE i cracked this thing.

Speaker 8 (01:37:37):
OPEN i take a whiff because you got to check
out the bouquet h of the of the sparkling. Water
it smells like the most amazing cranberry SODA i have
ever smelled in my entire. Life and THEN i took
a sip and it was like somebody walked by water
with a cranberry in their.

Speaker 4 (01:37:52):
Hand they kept, going AND i was, like this is
the biggest.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Racket all, right let's do. Dragons whatever he's gonna ask or,
say and then we'll do name that.

Speaker 6 (01:38:02):
TONE a couple of questions about who was going to
fill in For Michael brown since he's leaving and coming over.
Here the big response is they're gonna have a, rotating
rotating cast characters until.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
The failiar voices will be heard in familiar voices h,
yeah and then we'll see who wins real.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Quick one more.

Speaker 6 (01:38:17):
Thing people are concerned about traffic During rotten on The
News rotten With Gina.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
Gundeck SO i Believe.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
I'm still have traffic, reports BUT i think they will
be slightly less frequent than the traffic reports. Now of,
course if there's, serious you, know major traffic stuff going
on where lots of people need to know an urgent,
thing then we're gonna be all over, that LIKE koa
is always all over you, know major breaking news that
people need to know right. Then you, know these, DAYS

(01:38:46):
i think lots of people have the traffic right there
on their. Phones they open it up and hit the
maps and. Whatever so we're still gonna have, traffic but
maybe a little bit less. Frequently i'm Not i'm not
one hundred percent, sure BUT i think that's THE i
think that's the.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Thing