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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kyle Schlackter is the mayor of Littleton. And when I
was on vacation a couple weeks back whenever that was
Jimmy Singenberger was in for me, and Jimmy interviewed a
dude whose name I don't remember because I didn't listen
about ballot measure three to A in Littleton, which I've
talked about a bit on the show, And Kyle, mayor
(00:20):
of Littleton, emailed.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Me to say he would.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Appreciate the opportunity to be on the show because he
thought that guest, who was in favor of the ballot measure,
he thought that guest said some things that were incorrect
about the ballot measure and also said some things that
were incorrect or worse about Kyle himself.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So, Kyle, welcome to Kaoway. It's good to have you.
Good morning.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm happy Halloween.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, same to you.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Do you have kids, by the way, I do, I
do Halloween age kids.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I got a fourteen year old and nine year old?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
So are you going to go out with like a
thirteen what is it, thirteen gallon frash bag with your
kids and have them just fill up with absolutely as
much as they can get this year, we'll just follow.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Them around and see what they get. Yeah, they run
off and all the parents kind of follow them in
a pack.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
M Okay, let's talk about the reason you want to
be here today, and I want to separate into two things.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
And we got about five or six minutes.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So you said that some things were said that were
wrong about the ballot measure, and then you said some
things were said that we're wrong about you.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Let's start with the ballot measure.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And again I did not hear that interview, but I
know that the guest is in favor of the ballot measure,
and in fact, give me, give me nineteen seconds because
I like prime numbers on what the ballot measure would
do if it passed. And then we'll talk about what
you thought were the inaccuracies in that conversation.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, the ballot measure would basically freeze a single family
land use here in Littleton. And I'd like to give
a shout out to my friend and constituent Christa Kaper,
who actually wrote a lovely article about it to the
Denver Post last week and explained why she voted no.
And I want to quote her here when She said
this proposal would amend the city's charter to restrict land
(02:04):
use property rights and change it to single family homes
and neighborhoods. The proposal would direct barriers to the building
of affordable housing such as du books, condos, tom homes,
and ADUs, and make it more difficult for people to
find affordable homes for purchase in Littleton or to alter
their own property to meet their needs.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Okay, got it.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
And christ is a longtime, longtime friend of mine as well,
and actually fills in for me sometimes here on the show.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
So let me just.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Take one moment here, because I see both arguments. I
fully understand Christa's argument, and I'm guessing you're against the
ballot measure as well for affordable housing reasons. And also
there's something to be said about property rights here here
as well, to be able to do kind of what
you want to with your property. The other side is
I kind of get the argument from folks who say,
(02:55):
we've lived in this neighborhood for twenty five years as
single family only neighborhood and we don't wanted to change.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So I kind of see both sides, do you, Well.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, I do. I mean I live in a single
family home. I love my neighborhood, and you know, I
also understand that my property rights and at my property.
You know, I think some of the things that mister
Harris kept saying that we're wrong. He kept saying that
these duplexes and town homes were going to be imposed
on residents, and that's simply not true. You know, our
land use code allows for buildings that are up to
(03:25):
thirty feet in height right now, and we do not
have that many homes that are three stories tall. So
just because something is allowed doesn't mean it will be built.
And I think ADUs are a great example of that,
because we heard the sky was falling when we first
initially allowed them to be built in a small area
of the city that had alleys, and only three were
(03:47):
built over a five year period, and so that wasn't
the big dramatic change that the opponents claimed that would
happen then. And the other thing that he said was
there was no implication for accessory dwell on units or
adu's this charter amendment, and that is just simply not right,
because this land this this charter amendment would take us
(04:08):
back to January of twenty twenty five, when detached ADUs
were only allowed in a very small portion of the
city at the north end of the city on small
lots that had alleys. Now currently you can build a
detached ADU anywhere across the city. So if this charter
mement were passed, that would take away property rights to
build an ADU for almost everyone in the city.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Okay, So do you think was that the main thing
that he said that you wanted.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
To just correct on the air, the ADU.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
You know, I just want to make sure we get
that done and then we can talk about, you know,
what he said about you that you thought was improper,
and we got about ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Idea that this charter amendment doesn't impact ADUs because they
were allowed. ADUs were allowed in just a small portion
of the city before, So this takes us back through
a time period when they weren't allowed more widely. And
then the fact that you know, would be imposed on people,
you know, the fact, you know, I don't feel that they're.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Ought to start to interrupt you just in the interest
of time, that the thirty foot height limit will that
stay in place.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
That's what the code was back in January. That's what
the code has been for a long time.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Right, But the idea that yeah, okay in place.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, that's what. Okay, So you're not looking to change
that so that people can now build fifty foot tall,
you know, six unit buildings or something like that.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
There was never any attempts to change the height of.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
The height limit, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, And I will note for listeners also, you know,
when Kyle says this would take us back to such
and such a time, a lot of people talk that
way in other political issues, in a figurative.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Sort of sense.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh, if this passes, it'll be like going back to
the nineteen fifties, right. This is actually the text of
the bill is literally says that we're going to freeze
our our zoning rules at such and such a date.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So it's not a metaphor, it's a literal thing.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Now almost at a time here, Kyle, you said an
email to me that the guest said some things about
you personally that you objected to, and you wanted to
have the chance to respond.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Can you do That's interesting that Yeah, he personally attacked
me and said that I was appointed by the governor
to my day job at the Colorida Department of agriculture.
And I find it interesting because I've worked for the
Colorido Wineboard since twenty ten, when Governor Polis was in
his first term in Congress and when Governor River's office.
So I don't see how my job has anything to
(06:28):
do with three A. You know, if we're making employment
a part of this discourse, you know than my opponents,
who's actually a mortgage lender, would have a financial interest
in driving up housing costs so he can make more money.
I don't see how housing has any impact on the
wine industry here in Colorado. I think what he was
doing was implying that I'm afraid to stand up to
the governor because I've worked for the state, and he's
(06:49):
actually solely mistaken because I've testified multiple times against the
housing legislation that Governor Polis pushed over the past few years.
And you know, I'm the vice chair of the Metro
Mayor's Caucus and I've been one of the leaders in
the region to stand up for home rule authority. You know,
I've introduced resolutions for the Lilton City Council to oppose
those bills, and they were passed by council. And you know,
(07:10):
my opponent has never testified at the state capital, and
he was basically mia when it came to talking with
our state representatives to push back against these state preemption
and that's I've been there pushing back against the same
that for home rule. And so I took personal offense
that he said my day job has anything to do
with Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I'd be offended by that too if I were in
if I were in your spot. So yeah, folks, I mean,
I didn't hear the original interview with whoever that guest
was that Jimmy had on that person is in favor
of three A.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Kyle Schlackter is the mayor of Littleton. He opposes three A.
I don't live in Littleton anymore used to, so I'm
not going to take a position on this bill.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You can read what Chris Kper said as as Kyle
just shared with us and make up your own mind
if you live in Littleton. Kyle schlack Or, Mayor of Littleton,
thanks for your time, appreciate it, Thanks for having me
on
Kyle Schlackter is the mayor of Littleton. And when I
was on vacation a couple weeks back whenever that was
Jimmy Singenberger was in for me, and Jimmy interviewed a
dude whose name I don't remember because I didn't listen
about ballot measure three to A in Littleton, which I've
talked about a bit on the show, And Kyle, mayor
(00:20):
of Littleton, emailed.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Me to say he would.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Appreciate the opportunity to be on the show because he
thought that guest, who was in favor of the ballot measure,
he thought that guest said some things that were incorrect
about the ballot measure and also said some things that
were incorrect or worse about Kyle himself.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So, Kyle, welcome to Kaoway. It's good to have you.
Good morning.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm happy Halloween.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, same to you.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Do you have kids, by the way, I do, I
do Halloween age kids.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I got a fourteen year old and nine year old?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
So are you going to go out with like a
thirteen what is it, thirteen gallon frash bag with your
kids and have them just fill up with absolutely as
much as they can get this year, we'll just follow.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Them around and see what they get. Yeah, they run
off and all the parents kind of follow them in
a pack.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
M Okay, let's talk about the reason you want to
be here today, and I want to separate into two things.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
And we got about five or six minutes.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
So you said that some things were said that were
wrong about the ballot measure, and then you said some
things were said that we're wrong about you.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Let's start with the ballot measure.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And again I did not hear that interview, but I
know that the guest is in favor of the ballot measure,
and in fact, give me, give me nineteen seconds because
I like prime numbers on what the ballot measure would
do if it passed. And then we'll talk about what
you thought were the inaccuracies in that conversation.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, the ballot measure would basically freeze a single family
land use here in Littleton. And I'd like to give
a shout out to my friend and constituent Christa Kaper,
who actually wrote a lovely article about it to the
Denver Post last week and explained why she voted no.
And I want to quote her here when She said
this proposal would amend the city's charter to restrict land
(02:04):
use property rights and change it to single family homes
and neighborhoods. The proposal would direct barriers to the building
of affordable housing such as du books, condos, tom homes,
and ADUs, and make it more difficult for people to
find affordable homes for purchase in Littleton or to alter
their own property to meet their needs.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Okay, got it.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
And christ is a longtime, longtime friend of mine as well,
and actually fills in for me sometimes here on the show.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
So let me just.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Take one moment here, because I see both arguments. I
fully understand Christa's argument, and I'm guessing you're against the
ballot measure as well for affordable housing reasons. And also
there's something to be said about property rights here here
as well, to be able to do kind of what
you want to with your property. The other side is
I kind of get the argument from folks who say,
(02:55):
we've lived in this neighborhood for twenty five years as
single family only neighborhood and we don't wanted to change.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So I kind of see both sides, do you, Well.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, I do. I mean I live in a single
family home. I love my neighborhood, and you know, I
also understand that my property rights and at my property.
You know, I think some of the things that mister
Harris kept saying that we're wrong. He kept saying that
these duplexes and town homes were going to be imposed
on residents, and that's simply not true. You know, our
land use code allows for buildings that are up to
(03:25):
thirty feet in height right now, and we do not
have that many homes that are three stories tall. So
just because something is allowed doesn't mean it will be built.
And I think ADUs are a great example of that,
because we heard the sky was falling when we first
initially allowed them to be built in a small area
of the city that had alleys, and only three were
(03:47):
built over a five year period, and so that wasn't
the big dramatic change that the opponents claimed that would
happen then. And the other thing that he said was
there was no implication for accessory dwell on units or
adu's this charter amendment, and that is just simply not right,
because this land this this charter amendment would take us
(04:08):
back to January of twenty twenty five, when detached ADUs
were only allowed in a very small portion of the
city at the north end of the city on small
lots that had alleys. Now currently you can build a
detached ADU anywhere across the city. So if this charter
mement were passed, that would take away property rights to
build an ADU for almost everyone in the city.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Okay, So do you think was that the main thing
that he said that you wanted.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
To just correct on the air, the ADU.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
You know, I just want to make sure we get
that done and then we can talk about, you know,
what he said about you that you thought was improper,
and we got about ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Idea that this charter amendment doesn't impact ADUs because they
were allowed. ADUs were allowed in just a small portion
of the city before, So this takes us back through
a time period when they weren't allowed more widely. And
then the fact that you know, would be imposed on people,
you know, the fact, you know, I don't feel that they're.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Ought to start to interrupt you just in the interest
of time, that the thirty foot height limit will that
stay in place.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
That's what the code was back in January. That's what
the code has been for a long time.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Right, But the idea that yeah, okay in place.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, that's what. Okay, So you're not looking to change
that so that people can now build fifty foot tall,
you know, six unit buildings or something like that.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
There was never any attempts to change the height of.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
The height limit, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, And I will note for listeners also, you know,
when Kyle says this would take us back to such
and such a time, a lot of people talk that
way in other political issues, in a figurative.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Sort of sense.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh, if this passes, it'll be like going back to
the nineteen fifties, right. This is actually the text of
the bill is literally says that we're going to freeze
our our zoning rules at such and such a date.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So it's not a metaphor, it's a literal thing.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Now almost at a time here, Kyle, you said an
email to me that the guest said some things about
you personally that you objected to, and you wanted to
have the chance to respond.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Can you do That's interesting that Yeah, he personally attacked
me and said that I was appointed by the governor
to my day job at the Colorida Department of agriculture.
And I find it interesting because I've worked for the
Colorido Wineboard since twenty ten, when Governor Polis was in
his first term in Congress and when Governor River's office.
So I don't see how my job has anything to
(06:28):
do with three A. You know, if we're making employment
a part of this discourse, you know than my opponents,
who's actually a mortgage lender, would have a financial interest
in driving up housing costs so he can make more money.
I don't see how housing has any impact on the
wine industry here in Colorado. I think what he was
doing was implying that I'm afraid to stand up to
the governor because I've worked for the state, and he's
(06:49):
actually solely mistaken because I've testified multiple times against the
housing legislation that Governor Polis pushed over the past few years.
And you know, I'm the vice chair of the Metro
Mayor's Caucus and I've been one of the leaders in
the region to stand up for home rule authority. You know,
I've introduced resolutions for the Lilton City Council to oppose
those bills, and they were passed by council. And you know,
(07:10):
my opponent has never testified at the state capital, and
he was basically mia when it came to talking with
our state representatives to push back against these state preemption
and that's I've been there pushing back against the same
that for home rule. And so I took personal offense
that he said my day job has anything to do
with Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I'd be offended by that too if I were in
if I were in your spot. So yeah, folks, I mean,
I didn't hear the original interview with whoever that guest
was that Jimmy had on that person is in favor
of three A.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Kyle Schlackter is the mayor of Littleton. He opposes three A.
I don't live in Littleton anymore used to, so I'm
not going to take a position on this bill.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
You can read what Chris Kper said as as Kyle
just shared with us and make up your own mind
if you live in Littleton. Kyle schlack Or, Mayor of Littleton,
thanks for your time, appreciate it, Thanks for having me
on
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