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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Last night I watched election coverage entirely on one network,
and that was NewsNation, which is my cable news home
these days, not least because of my friend and frequent
guest Leland Vinter, who joins us now despite having stayed
up late with election coverage. Leland, thanks, thanks so much
for being here. Appreciate it as always.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Always good Ross.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I should mention I should have mentioned this before. Leland's
show is called on Balance and it airs on News
Nation at seven pm Mountain time weekdays. And you can
sign up for his daily email, which is really his
show prep at warnoes dot com and you can buy
his book at born Lucky dot com. All right, Leland,
I think neither one of us is surprised that the
(00:45):
Democrats did well last night. Were you surprised at how well?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
No, not particularly. I was surprised a little bit. In
New Jersey, I think is the place that I would
pick out is the is the place that you know,
if if there was going to be an expansion of
the MAGA coalition and if somehow the shift of working
class voters to Republicans was going to get sticky, that
(01:16):
was where it was going to happen.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
And it did not indeed, and Chittarelli did five points
worse than he did than he did the last time. Uh.
And here in Colorado, by the way, And for those
who don't know, Leland used to be here. He used
to be on on Fox thirty one right here in Denver,
So he he likes his place a lot, and he
knows a little about it. Here. It was just an
absolute wipeout of you know, whatever conservative or Republican candidates
(01:40):
were on the ballot in a race that had any
chance of being close the Democrats. The Democrats won. So
it seemed like there was just out performance everywhere. And
I wonder how how much of this do you think
is a negative reaction to Trump? How much do you
think is maga voters who historically don't turn out for
anyone except Trump doing that? But even more, what else
(02:02):
do you think we're the key factors in what we saw.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Well, the economy, the economy, the economy that there's not
a lot for Republicans to be excited about right now,
there's an awful lot for Democrats to be angry about
right now. There there was a desire by Democrats to
(02:29):
turn this into a referendum on Trump. But a desire
for Republicans to try to make it about something different,
which disincentivizes Trump Republican voters, or you know, Maga voters.
So I think you put all of it together, it
makes it makes sense you. I think the lesson to
me from this is that things change. You know, and
(02:53):
I spent a lot of time listening to you know
people Republicans be still upset today in the same way
I listened to Democrats be so upset a year ago.
You know, there's a lot of Republicans today feeling about
the country and everything else the same way Democrats did
a year ago.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
And the lesson is.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Things change in America. I think what is also noteworthy
is how the extremes in America are becoming far more powerful.
You know that Donald Trump, and especially Trump two point
zero represents an extreme of the Republican Party in how
(03:31):
it's in how he's doing things, and Mendami represents an
extreme of the Democratic Party. And those who would say
Abigail Spamberger and Mikey Cheryl are moderates just don't know
who they are.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Right, Okay, So I agree with all that, but I
would add that Cheryl and Spanberger positioned themselves as moderates
and for people who don't know really well not really, okay,
you want to elaborate Spambi's.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Spamberger couldn't say Spamberger was asked multiple times, can you
say no boys and girls sports? And you couldn't even
say that. That's not a moderate That's not a moderate
position in any way, shape or.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Form to me. Actually, one thing that that surprised me
at least a little was that Jay Jones won the
VA at the Virginia Attorney General's race. And you talked
about this a lot on News Nation last night as well,
you know, with you and Steyr Walton and that and
that whole crew that I was watching all night long.
(04:31):
That one, I have to say, surprised me a little bit.
And I think shows how much people think of politics
these days as war and the other guy is the enemy,
and you're and you will not say anything bad like
Republicans have no enemies on the right and Democrats have
no enemies on the left. And I got to tell you,
as an American, I hate it.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, well, so you're talking about Jay Jones who won
in Virginia as the attorney general. U definition of sort
of an empty suit, just with a party affiliation next
to him, who openly fantasized in text messages about killing
members of the other party, about the Speaker of the House,
and actually was texting members of the Virginia State Legislature
(05:18):
about how he would like to see the Republican Speaker
of the House's children die in their mother's arms. And
the text messages came out and it made a difference,
but not that much of a difference. You know, before,
you know, twenty years ago, this kind of stuff was disqualifying,
and I think what you're getting to ross is the
(05:40):
point that really now in America, nothing is disqualifying. You're
voting for a party one way or the other. And
that's just the way it is, especially in an election
like this, as you know, especially in sort of what
you'd call an off off your election, that's very much
just about the base. This isn't this isn't about getting
out sort of voters on the margins.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I feel, and I think I've felt this way for
a long time since the rise of Trump, that Republicans
can't win with Trump, and they can't win without Trump.
Trump can win, but other Republicans, even going back to
the last congressional election. Yeah, Republicans have the majority, but
there was a lot of thinking going into the twenty
twenty four elections as you well know that they might
(06:23):
have a twenty seat majority or something like that, and
they've got a three or four seat majority. And I
don't know how Republicans are going to manage a situation
where in order to win a primary, some Republican probably
needs to move way towards MAGA, but if that sticks
with him in the general election, they're going to lose.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
This is a problem for both parties that the extremes
of both parties have gotten more and more powerful. And
you know, in certain places it doesn't matter because of
jerry mandrain and everything else, especially for Congress. But we
are at a we're at a weird place politically in
America and we have we have gotten there through uh
(07:10):
entirely of our own fault as a people, and I
think the market for politics will self correct. That's the
George will Axim that you know, there is this desire
for a transformational candidate in the center, and when that happens,
that that will move America back to the center right.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
If such a person can get through the primary and
actually end up in a general election. Well true.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And well pointed what I would say. And I have,
you know, my own personal feelings about mom Damie that
he's you know, terrorist adjacent and a rather you know,
embraces sort of the tenets of radical political Islam and
on and on and on. Those are my own personal views.
(08:02):
But if you watch him as a politician, he is
a generational talent. He is an extraordinarily talented politician, and
people are not giving him that credit. And I think
the lesson is ross that Americans are hungry for someone
who inspires them, even if the way that that person
(08:23):
inspires them is not necessarily what their own views would be.
I mean, you think about the idea that Mam Dami,
who you know, embraces Gaza in Hamas, and we know
what Gaza Hamas does to women, or what Hamas does
to women in Gaza, and what the Islamists, you know,
the hardcore Islamists do to women, and yet eighty percent
(08:47):
of millennial women voted for Mandami. There's a cognitive disconnect
that goes on in some of these situations, and it
can be explained by people are just desperate for someone
who inspire. Here's them now the dot dot dot is
someone who also tells them it's not their fault. They
don't have to work that hard, they're the victim. On
(09:07):
and on. But that's kind of part of being inspired.
It's no different than what Donald Trump did.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Also, I do think Mom, Donnie could have been beaten
if there were a decent alternative. It's hard to think
of a more flawed alternative than than Andrew Cuomo. And
and I know his brother works with you and as
a friend of yours and all, and I like him too,
But man, I mean, if Andrew Cuomo was your savior,
you're in trouble.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Well, that that is part of the reckoning that the
Democrats are going to have to go through. And I
would argue that what we saw tonight is not dissimilar
to what we saw in two thousand and nine with
the Tea Party and the rise of this movement in
the Republican Party that ended up becoming magnet. They're there,
(09:57):
and that that that was the beginning, that it was
the beginning of John you know, the end of John
McCain Republican politics. This is the end of Andrew Cuomo,
Chuck Schumer, Democratic politics.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
We're talking with Leland Vendor. His brilliant show is called
On Balance. It's on News Nation at seven pm Mountain Time,
replays at ten pm Our time, and if you go
to warnotes dot com you can sign up for his
free daily email. All right, I have I have two
last questions for you. Are you really having ginger shots
at breakfast? Well?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I was really having ginger shots at breakfast. This is
when my wife and I were in California, and she,
when we got there on the first day at breakfast,
ordered a ginger shot and I didn't know what it was,
so I ordered one and then filmed myself taking it
because what came I thought would be a shot. Instead,
(10:59):
this was like a diet coke can size portion of ginger,
I guess, And I took that, and then I subsequently
took four more days of it. I can't tell I
feel better now that I'm not taking them, but I'm
trying to figure out if that's because I took them
(11:24):
before and now it's just the effect. I'm still confused
as to what the real effects were.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Okay, I mean, I think ginger tastes kind of gross.
Do you like it? Was it something you enjoyed or
was it more like a.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Mantilla No no, and the videos of me like almost
gagging was not ai?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
That was real? Okay, last question for you, and it's
the question I always make my last question with you.
So other than elections, what's gonna be an interesting and
important topic on your show tonight?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
My favorite topic tonight, I think is going to be
talking to a realtor from the suburbs of New York
because of what interests they're now seeing and whether whether
that really is whether that really is actually happening or
or not. Cuomo has O'Reilly tonight, which I think is
going to be a really interesting interview and one that
(12:24):
I'd like to I want to watch. But I think
that that's going to be the most interesting thing. The
other thing is I think that the stuff that is
going on right now legally with the Supreme Court, UH
and Trump and tariffs is going to define the next
year in a way that we don't quite appreciate right
now when we can talk about the shiny shiny objects.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And you know how much of a nerd I am.
I spent most of much of this morning with my
earbuds in listening to the Supreme Court oral arguments on
the on the tariff's case because it is incredibly important.
Leland Vinters show on Balance and PM weeknights on News Nation,
best show on cable News. Thanks for making time for
us in the middle of your travels. Leyland appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Always fund Ross.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Thank you,
Last night I watched election coverage entirely on one network,
and that was NewsNation, which is my cable news home
these days, not least because of my friend and frequent
guest Leland Vinter, who joins us now despite having stayed
up late with election coverage. Leland, thanks, thanks so much
for being here. Appreciate it as always.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Always good Ross.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I should mention I should have mentioned this before. Leland's
show is called on Balance and it airs on News
Nation at seven pm Mountain time weekdays. And you can
sign up for his daily email, which is really his
show prep at warnoes dot com and you can buy
his book at born Lucky dot com. All right, Leland,
I think neither one of us is surprised that the
(00:45):
Democrats did well last night. Were you surprised at how well?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
No, not particularly. I was surprised a little bit. In
New Jersey, I think is the place that I would
pick out is the is the place that you know,
if if there was going to be an expansion of
the MAGA coalition and if somehow the shift of working
class voters to Republicans was going to get sticky, that
(01:16):
was where it was going to happen.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
And it did not indeed, and Chittarelli did five points
worse than he did than he did the last time. Uh.
And here in Colorado, by the way, And for those
who don't know, Leland used to be here. He used
to be on on Fox thirty one right here in Denver,
So he he likes his place a lot, and he
knows a little about it. Here. It was just an
absolute wipeout of you know, whatever conservative or Republican candidates
(01:40):
were on the ballot in a race that had any
chance of being close the Democrats. The Democrats won. So
it seemed like there was just out performance everywhere. And
I wonder how how much of this do you think
is a negative reaction to Trump? How much do you
think is maga voters who historically don't turn out for
anyone except Trump doing that? But even more, what else
(02:02):
do you think we're the key factors in what we saw.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Well, the economy, the economy, the economy that there's not
a lot for Republicans to be excited about right now,
there's an awful lot for Democrats to be angry about
right now. There there was a desire by Democrats to
(02:29):
turn this into a referendum on Trump. But a desire
for Republicans to try to make it about something different,
which disincentivizes Trump Republican voters, or you know, Maga voters.
So I think you put all of it together, it
makes it makes sense you. I think the lesson to
me from this is that things change. You know, and
(02:53):
I spent a lot of time listening to you know
people Republicans be still upset today in the same way
I listened to Democrats be so upset a year ago.
You know, there's a lot of Republicans today feeling about
the country and everything else the same way Democrats did
a year ago.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
And the lesson is.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Things change in America. I think what is also noteworthy
is how the extremes in America are becoming far more powerful.
You know that Donald Trump, and especially Trump two point
zero represents an extreme of the Republican Party in how
(03:31):
it's in how he's doing things, and Mendami represents an
extreme of the Democratic Party. And those who would say
Abigail Spamberger and Mikey Cheryl are moderates just don't know
who they are.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Right, Okay, So I agree with all that, but I
would add that Cheryl and Spanberger positioned themselves as moderates
and for people who don't know really well not really, okay,
you want to elaborate Spambi's.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Spamberger couldn't say Spamberger was asked multiple times, can you
say no boys and girls sports? And you couldn't even
say that. That's not a moderate That's not a moderate
position in any way, shape or.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Form to me. Actually, one thing that that surprised me
at least a little was that Jay Jones won the
VA at the Virginia Attorney General's race. And you talked
about this a lot on News Nation last night as well,
you know, with you and Steyr Walton and that and
that whole crew that I was watching all night long.
(04:31):
That one, I have to say, surprised me a little bit.
And I think shows how much people think of politics
these days as war and the other guy is the enemy,
and you're and you will not say anything bad like
Republicans have no enemies on the right and Democrats have
no enemies on the left. And I got to tell you,
as an American, I hate it.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, well, so you're talking about Jay Jones who won
in Virginia as the attorney general. U definition of sort
of an empty suit, just with a party affiliation next
to him, who openly fantasized in text messages about killing
members of the other party, about the Speaker of the House,
and actually was texting members of the Virginia State Legislature
(05:18):
about how he would like to see the Republican Speaker
of the House's children die in their mother's arms. And
the text messages came out and it made a difference,
but not that much of a difference. You know, before,
you know, twenty years ago, this kind of stuff was disqualifying,
and I think what you're getting to ross is the
(05:40):
point that really now in America, nothing is disqualifying. You're
voting for a party one way or the other. And
that's just the way it is, especially in an election
like this, as you know, especially in sort of what
you'd call an off off your election, that's very much
just about the base. This isn't this isn't about getting
out sort of voters on the margins.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I feel, and I think I've felt this way for
a long time since the rise of Trump, that Republicans
can't win with Trump, and they can't win without Trump.
Trump can win, but other Republicans, even going back to
the last congressional election. Yeah, Republicans have the majority, but
there was a lot of thinking going into the twenty
twenty four elections as you well know that they might
(06:23):
have a twenty seat majority or something like that, and
they've got a three or four seat majority. And I
don't know how Republicans are going to manage a situation
where in order to win a primary, some Republican probably
needs to move way towards MAGA, but if that sticks
with him in the general election, they're going to lose.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
This is a problem for both parties that the extremes
of both parties have gotten more and more powerful. And
you know, in certain places it doesn't matter because of
jerry mandrain and everything else, especially for Congress. But we
are at a we're at a weird place politically in
America and we have we have gotten there through uh
(07:10):
entirely of our own fault as a people, and I
think the market for politics will self correct. That's the
George will Axim that you know, there is this desire
for a transformational candidate in the center, and when that happens,
that that will move America back to the center right.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
If such a person can get through the primary and
actually end up in a general election. Well true.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And well pointed what I would say. And I have,
you know, my own personal feelings about mom Damie that
he's you know, terrorist adjacent and a rather you know,
embraces sort of the tenets of radical political Islam and
on and on and on. Those are my own personal views.
(08:02):
But if you watch him as a politician, he is
a generational talent. He is an extraordinarily talented politician, and
people are not giving him that credit. And I think
the lesson is ross that Americans are hungry for someone
who inspires them, even if the way that that person
(08:23):
inspires them is not necessarily what their own views would be.
I mean, you think about the idea that Mam Dami,
who you know, embraces Gaza in Hamas, and we know
what Gaza Hamas does to women, or what Hamas does
to women in Gaza, and what the Islamists, you know,
the hardcore Islamists do to women, and yet eighty percent
(08:47):
of millennial women voted for Mandami. There's a cognitive disconnect
that goes on in some of these situations, and it
can be explained by people are just desperate for someone
who inspire. Here's them now the dot dot dot is
someone who also tells them it's not their fault. They
don't have to work that hard, they're the victim. On
(09:07):
and on. But that's kind of part of being inspired.
It's no different than what Donald Trump did.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Also, I do think Mom, Donnie could have been beaten
if there were a decent alternative. It's hard to think
of a more flawed alternative than than Andrew Cuomo. And
and I know his brother works with you and as
a friend of yours and all, and I like him too,
But man, I mean, if Andrew Cuomo was your savior,
you're in trouble.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Well, that that is part of the reckoning that the
Democrats are going to have to go through. And I
would argue that what we saw tonight is not dissimilar
to what we saw in two thousand and nine with
the Tea Party and the rise of this movement in
the Republican Party that ended up becoming magnet. They're there,
(09:57):
and that that that was the beginning, that it was
the beginning of John you know, the end of John
McCain Republican politics. This is the end of Andrew Cuomo,
Chuck Schumer, Democratic politics.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
We're talking with Leland Vendor. His brilliant show is called
On Balance. It's on News Nation at seven pm Mountain Time,
replays at ten pm Our time, and if you go
to warnotes dot com you can sign up for his
free daily email. All right, I have I have two
last questions for you. Are you really having ginger shots
at breakfast? Well?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I was really having ginger shots at breakfast. This is
when my wife and I were in California, and she,
when we got there on the first day at breakfast,
ordered a ginger shot and I didn't know what it was,
so I ordered one and then filmed myself taking it
because what came I thought would be a shot. Instead,
(10:59):
this was like a diet coke can size portion of ginger,
I guess, And I took that, and then I subsequently
took four more days of it. I can't tell I
feel better now that I'm not taking them, but I'm
trying to figure out if that's because I took them
(11:24):
before and now it's just the effect. I'm still confused
as to what the real effects were.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Okay, I mean, I think ginger tastes kind of gross.
Do you like it? Was it something you enjoyed or
was it more like a.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Mantilla No no, and the videos of me like almost
gagging was not ai?
Speaker 1 (11:45):
That was real? Okay, last question for you, and it's
the question I always make my last question with you.
So other than elections, what's gonna be an interesting and
important topic on your show tonight?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
My favorite topic tonight, I think is going to be
talking to a realtor from the suburbs of New York
because of what interests they're now seeing and whether whether
that really is whether that really is actually happening or
or not. Cuomo has O'Reilly tonight, which I think is
going to be a really interesting interview and one that
(12:24):
I'd like to I want to watch. But I think
that that's going to be the most interesting thing. The
other thing is I think that the stuff that is
going on right now legally with the Supreme Court, UH
and Trump and tariffs is going to define the next
year in a way that we don't quite appreciate right
now when we can talk about the shiny shiny objects.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And you know how much of a nerd I am.
I spent most of much of this morning with my
earbuds in listening to the Supreme Court oral arguments on
the on the tariff's case because it is incredibly important.
Leland Vinters show on Balance and PM weeknights on News Nation,
best show on cable News. Thanks for making time for
us in the middle of your travels. Leyland appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Always fund Ross.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Thank you,
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