11-17-25 - *FULL SHOW* Food Tariffs; Nickel for Your Thoughts; Broncos Recap

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Ross on the news with Gina, who is
wearing a sweater that is halfway between halfway.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Between Broncos Orange and Chiefs Red.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Promise. I thought it was orange.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Gina was at the game yesterday, which I'm a little
jealous of, probably one of the two best games of
the year, the other one being that massive fourth quarter
comeback a few a few weeks ago. But nobody went
into that game thinking it was going to be super
interesting and important. This game, everybody knew it was gonna
be interesting and important.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
To me, and I definitely think more people stay in
their seats now, Yeah, after the PTSD they have from
that Giants game and that come back with point if
I think they're now like okay, I don't know what
can happen anymore in the third and fourth quarter. So
I'm gonna stick around regardless. And this one, obviously you
would stick around, of course.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Of course.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
And I was watching on TV and then for the
second half listening to Rick and Dave, and I lined
it up with it. I muted the TV. You're welcome, dragon,
I muted the TV and lined it up.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I had it lined up so well that when.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
I saw the guys in the huddle clap on TV.
I heard the clap out of the radio at the
same time. I lined it up perfectly. But I have
a question for you, Gene, having been since you were
at the game, it seemed to me from the cheap
seats like the stadium was unusually loud yesterday and they
were really really trying to disrupt the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Did it seem that way to you?

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Definitely did, And this was the first time where coach
Payton actually acknowledged that in his press conference. It seems
like he's usually, I don't know, just kind of pushing
off any questions here and there, but this was the
first time that he was like, I will admit it that.
I think there was probably like three key plays that
the fans just disrupted the huddle and had that opportunity
to just make it. It was so loud in them, so loud,
and I was trying to put together some social media

(01:32):
videos and I'm trying to listen to them on my
phone and I'm turning the volume all the way up,
and I'm like, I can't even hear my phone right now,
all the way up to my ears. So it was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Electric Another thing we're going to do at the end
of the show, and maybe, Gina, you can just give.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Us a very short tease of this.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
But you got a really cool short interview with an
interesting lady.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Tell us about it.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, it was so cool. I was at an event
over the weekend and there was a band playing and
I just piece it together where I was like, I
think that's the lady that's doing the national anthem Uncle's
Chiefs game on Sunday. So I pulled her aside, and
sure enough, she knew who I was. She loves Koa
and she listens all the time, and her name's Hazel Miller.
She did a fabulous job singing the national anthem, as

(02:12):
she always does, and so I grabbed a little interview
with her over the weekend, talking a little bit about
what it's like to do the national anthem at the games,
and she's just a gem. She was so nice.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
That's fantastic, and we're going to play that audio near
the end of the show. You do have a little
risk here, Gina, in the sense that you did an
interview with a national anthem singer and the Broncos won
the game, which means our very superstitious producer Dragon is
now going to say, you need to interview the national
anthem singer before every.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Game where we're not gonna win. Fine, it would be fun.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Happened in previous accounts as well.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Somewhere, Yeah, you started somewhere at one, You got to
start somewhere. Oh my gosh, let me do one very
very quick thing before we get to the special guests
who just walked into the studio. I'm going to do
this very very quickly and come back to it later
in the show. But there's some interesting political dynamics going
on and I just want to share with you, like
thirty seconds from Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green, who is well

(03:07):
known for, you know, these very very aggressive kind of
rhetoric attacking everybody all the time, and she seems to
be changing her tune a little bit.

Speaker 6 (03:16):
I have something in my heart that I think is
incredibly important for our country, and that is to end
the toxic fighting in politics. And this has been going
on for years and it has divided our country, split
up friends and families, neighbors, and it's not solving our problems.
The most hurtful thing he said, which is absolutely untrue,

(03:40):
is he called me a trader, and that is that
is so extremely wrong, and those are the types of
words us that can radicalize people against me and put
my life in danger.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
So Marjorie Taylor Green says she's turning over a new
leaf and she's going to avoid all that really aggressive rhetoric.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
And we'll talk about that a little more later in
the show.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
But I appreciate that direction and you know, not talking
mean about people. And I will do my very best
to do the same thing, except, of course, if you're
a Raiders.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Fan, and then I have no use for you at all.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
All right, Look who joins us in studio Speaking of
not a Raiders fan. Rick lewis one of the voices
of the O the Rockies who had the the privilege
and the fun of calling yesterday's amazing Raiders Chiefs game.
And by the way, don't you have a job? Are
you supposed to be somewhere somewhere else?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
All right now?

Speaker 7 (04:32):
Yeah, I'm doing this especially for.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
You guys this morning.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Did I say something wrong? You said Chiefs? Why Broncos?

Speaker 8 (04:40):
Come on?

Speaker 9 (04:41):
In my mind is I'm obsessed with the Raiders. I
just finished the workout, just got out of the showers,
all right, let me start over.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Rick called the Broncos chief game.

Speaker 7 (04:55):
Okay again, Yeah, yeah, I'm doing the Fox Morning Show.
Thank you for coming up victory Monday. Man, you can
get used to this victory Monday, right, Gin know, we've
been doing this for a while, and let's hope they
keep this run going.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
That was a big one that validated this football.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Team going into the game.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
I had told a couple people, Look, I'm super glad
about the record, but this is the worst eed and
two team I've ever seen. Yesterday kind of changed my
opinion on that.

Speaker 7 (05:25):
Take that back, Ross, Yeah, take that back. They beat
all Super Bowl teams from last year. They beat the Eagles,
they beat the Chiefs. They but they're two losses by
four points total, right, And really, this team could easily
be ten and one if not for that leverage call
against the Colts, right, And you could even say they
could be undefeated last second loss to the Chargers too.

(05:49):
So no, this team is legit. People need to start
believing in that believing. Let we need to start believing
one and I know unbelieved Bowl run here for this team.
But when you consider what they're doing with yesterday, their
best defensive player and the best defensive player in the NFL,

(06:10):
Patrick ten Out, their team captain and leading tackler, Alex
Singleton out on defense. The defense is still great. On
the other side of the ball, you got two rookies
r J. Harvey and Pat Bryant key positions on an offense.
Two rookies playing and they're on the like their third
left guard. And these guys, they just show up every

(06:31):
Sunday and they know how to win. This team knows
how to win, man, And it's so fun to watch.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Ye Rick, with all those injuries, a lot of people
went into this game hesitant, being like, let's see what
we can really see here. But like, with all that
being said, and it was electric. I was actually there
yesterday and it was awesome. I mean that place, yes,
so loud. But you also said that we're still not
seeing the Broncos playing their best ball yet. Is that
a good thing? Does that mean we're seeing the potential
ramping up and still seeing some optimism of we will

(07:00):
even better going forward.

Speaker 7 (07:01):
That's a good thing. Very observant, Gina. You're a good
football fan man. You figured this out. Yeah, we haven't
seen them play their best game yet, so consider that
they're the best team in the AFC right now. They
haven't played their best game. They still have a lot
of penalties, way too many penalties, and they're not able
to run the ball now.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
JK Dobbins out, Yeah he was the season right.

Speaker 7 (07:23):
Yes, probably he just had surgery, but he was their
best player on offense. Nothing against Bonees, but JK. Dobbins
was carrying that team in the running game. So yeah,
they need to figure out how to run the football still,
and they need to clean up the penalties. So no,
we have not seen them play their best football yet.

(07:44):
That's something that you can fix. Hopefully. You've got a
ways to go here down the stretch and you're in
the driver's seat right.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Now, got about one minute left.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
So the Broncos the rest of their schedule is probably
a little more difficult than the first part of their schedule.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
I think some better teams you tell me on.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
That, But it's got to give you some optimism going
into games.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
You have to win. I mean, they're in position to
win the division.

Speaker 7 (08:07):
They shown they can beat anybody. They really have. They've
shown they can beat anybody. As I said before, they
beat both Super Bowl teams from last year and one
of them on the road. I'm talking about the Eagles,
and then of course the Chiefs yesterday and Broncos Country
celebrated because this team is legit. I think everybody knows that.
Now and down the stretch. You're in the driver's seat.

(08:29):
Just take care of business. That's all you have to do.
Win your games at home, beat the teams you're supposed
to beat, and when we get to the end of
the season, they should be the AFC West change.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Le's very very quick question.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
How nervous were you on that last kick, the will
Let's kick with three seconds away.

Speaker 7 (08:43):
I had a little mini flashback about what happened in
Kansas City. I really did. It's just oh man, I
held my breath for a second. I almost didn't.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Want to watch.

Speaker 7 (08:52):
Yeah, but I think we all had that flashback from
the Kansas City kick the guy blocked last year. But
Will Lutzman five field goals and five for five man,
he is money.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
Bo Nix his money. That team is money.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Rick Lewis is along with this broadcast partner Dave Logan,
voice of the Denver Broncos. Okay, you can go back
to your day job now, and thanks for making time
for us.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
I look forward to doing this with you throughout the season.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
You can tell I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I know, I can't tell. Rick's got a big smile
on his face.

Speaker 7 (09:21):
Glad to see Dragon red Beard right there. That's my
boy right there, Dragon red Beard.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yes, smiles all around in the Koa studio.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Thanks, y love you guys. All right, we'll take quick break.
We'll be right back ross on the news with Gina.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
That's Gena over there. Hi, Gena, Hi.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
I apologize to everybody for my brain this morning.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
I'm just glad.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Dragon corrected you, because for a moment I.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
Was like, what did he just say? Yeah, I'm not
sure what's worth here? You calling the Broncos the Raiders?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (09:50):
Or I'm sorry, Gina, I love you, but wearing the Chiefs?

Speaker 4 (09:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Okay. Well here's the thing I also worn on Halloween
and everyone said, oh, Halloween orange.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
So what is it? Maybe it's the light.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Anyway, I apologize for my brain, and Gena can decide
whether or not to apologize for her own sweater.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
It's boring, she.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Said no, she said no, that's good. Lovely Sweater's lovely sweater.
So what do we call that. It's not a cable
and it's a it's a something. It's at orange, it's
a nice sweater.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
It's a very.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
If you took the orange and just burnt it enough
that it became red.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
What you're saying, don't forget folks.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
This Wednesday, we are doing this year's holiday food drive.
Koa's Holiday Food Drive benefiting Food Bank of the Rockies.
KOWA is going to be broadcasting from nine a m.
To nine p m. At King Soopers at Colorado and Yale.
I used to do that for quite a few years
in a row when I was nine to noon. Gina

(10:50):
and I are not going to go out there at
six in the morning because not.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Much point in that.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
But nine to nine this Wednesday at Colorado and Yale.
You can get out there and you can meet Michael
Brown and Mandy and all the afternoon sports guys, and
we would appreciate it, and more importantly, the folks will
benefit would appreciate it. You can go into the supers
and come on out with turkeys.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
And other kinds of food or cash.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
You can donate through a QR code and help folks
in need this holiday season. It's presented by Redbird Farms, Colorado, Buick,
GMC Dealers, and of course Koa. That's this Wednesday at
the King Soupers at Colorado and Yale. All right, let
me do a little bit of politics with you. Gina

(11:32):
mentioned earlier in the show that Donald Trump has said
that he is going to call he has called for
the release of the Epstein files, which I think is
a rather interesting thing. Right, after all he has he started,

(11:52):
if we go way back, he started kind of lukewarm
about it. When he was asked during the campaign, does
he support releasing the EPST files, he said, yes, yes, sure,
why not?

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Right?

Speaker 1 (12:03):
He wasn't against it. He wasn't aggressively for it. Kind
of seemed like he just didn't care, which I actually
I believe that. I believe that he really didn't care.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
And so.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
It struck people as a little bit odd when Trump
got kind of aggressively against releasing the Epstein files, and
it put him at odds with what some Republican members
of Congress had campaigned on, and also some of his
own officials in government. I won't say we're campaigning, but

(12:37):
they were out there before the election on their own
social media for their own purposes, calling for the release
of the Epstein files and claiming that Democrats were holding
the Epstein files back because there was damaging information about
Democrats in the files. We're talking about Cash Pattel did that,
who was now Trump's director of the FBI. Pam bondied that,

(13:00):
who was now Trump's attorney general, So Cash Bettel's boss.
These two were both out there, and then as this
stuff started percolating, both of them said, Oh, yeah, we've
got stuff we're gonna get out to you. Pam Bondi
famously said it's on my desk and I'll release it.
And then they changed their tune and basically they said,
there's nothing to see here. And it's unclear why. It

(13:21):
seemed like behind the scenes, Trump was telling them he
didn't want this stuff out, but it's unclear why, because
if there was bad stuff in it about Trump, then
you would think that the Biden team would have leaked
it during the twenty twenty four campaign to try to
hurt Trump in the election. Now, Trump was asked about
this yesterday, Oh audio, please dragon.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Here about it released or not?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
But I think you should do.

Speaker 9 (13:47):
If you're going to do it, then you have to
go into Pepsi's friends.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
This read Hoften spent a lot of time on the island.

Speaker 9 (13:55):
If I was never in a silent help Linton's what
they're supposed something twenty eight times, you're gonna have to
look into his friends.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
So there's Trump.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
He started that off, it got cut off a little bit,
but he said, I don't really care whether it's released
or not, which really was his take from the beginning.
But the whole thing is rather strange, right, the whole
thing is rather strange. Now here's the other reason, A
couple reasons that I think Trump now has said. He went.
He went on social media. In fact, let me just
give you this very quickly. He posted on his own

(14:27):
social media platform. He said House Republicans should vote to
release the Epstein files because we have nothing to hide
and it's time to move on from this Democrat hoax
perpetrated by radical left lunatics in order to deflect from
the great success of the Republican Party.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
YadA, YadA, YadA.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Then he goes on to say some of that same
stuff you heard him in the audio clips, saying it's
time to look at a bunch of Democrats.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
As long as we're releasing on this stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Let's look at the let's look at what the Democrats
involvement have been here. And so I think there's I
think there's two and a half things going on here.
One thing is Trump knows that this vote is going
to pass in the House of Representatives, and I bet,
I bet that it would get at least fifty Republicans

(15:12):
and it wouldn't surprise me if it got one hundred
or more. And so Trump doesn't ever want to be
on the losing side of anything because he always wants
to be portrayed as a winner. That's why sometimes in
the primary election season he will come out and endorse
a candidate who everybody knows is already gonna win, and
that way he can pad his statistics by saying, you know, look,

(15:34):
I've picked winners. You know twelve of the last thirteen. Well,
he doesn't admit to that one. So he'll say I
picked twelve winners in a row, and it would have
been eleven, but he picked someone else who was already
gonna win. He wants to be on the side of winners.
I get that. That's fine. The other thing that I
think he's doing is he doesn't want to put House
Republicans in a position of having to decide whether to
vote against his wishes or whether to vote against their

(15:57):
district's wishes. So this gives them permisison to vote for
the thing, to release the Epstein files without some of
these more spinalless House Republicans being afraid of voting against Trump.
It also reduces, you know, other political risk for these
House members from those event from those eventual voters, primary voters.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
In particular, if there are a lot.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Of primary voters out there who really want to see
the Epstein stuff come out, and much of the Trump
megabase does, if you vote against it because you think
you're being loyal to Trump, that puts you in serious risks.
So I think Trump was trying to alleviate both of
those things.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
He wants to keep.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Himself looking as a winner, and he wants to try
to take the pressure off of House Republicans for political purposes.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
The other thing I'll mention, this vote.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Will be tomorrow, probably, we don't know if it will
pass the Senate.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
We'll be right back on KOA.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Dragan, would you do me a favor and come in
here for a second. Oh yeah, just come in here
for a second, and while Dragon is walking in and
hygiena good.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Morning, Hi, good morning.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Gita is so perky, having gone to that game yesterday,
And meanwhile my brain barely exists. All right, one quick
thing before Dragon comes in. I just want to mention
Gina told you that the stock Indeck's futures were pretty
flat this morning. It was just a quick recap of
something from Friday. And that is early in the morning
when Gina and I were doing the show, the market

(17:21):
was down a lot. And then at some point Gina said,
now the deck future is down eighty, and they had
just been down three hundred and eighty, and I thought
she had made a mistake. She thought she had made
a mistake, but it was right. And then the market
kept going up. And then Asdak closed up on the day,
and it was a very very interesting day from the
perspective of a former trader. And right now the market's
looking very very flat, as as I mentioned to you

(17:42):
a couple of days ago. Now that the shutdown is over,
there really trying to figure out what's going on in
the economy.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Is it weak, is it strong?

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Is the Fed gonna cut is the Fed not gonna cut,
and I will suggest to you, if you're interested in
this stuff, keep an eye not just on stocks, but
watch bond yields. The ten year note is all over
the place and it's really really interesting. That market and
money commentary brought to you by Blue Hair and Capital.
All right, Dragon, real quick on this. You and I
both went all though to different shows to Trans Siberian Orchestra,

(18:10):
Absolute blast.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
It was a great show, wasn't it.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
Definitely so you get the rock concert, plus you get
the little classical feel to it.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
They did Carmena barana near the end. Wasn't that incredible?

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (18:21):
I had I had a funny moment. So and maybe
when you go back you can play Carmena barana for
people who don't know what it is. But but they
started it and I said, like really loud.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
I said, oh wow, because I love that piece.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
But I said it right at a moment where they
got silent and I was really loud, and everybody around
me heard me say oh wow. My wife turned to
me and said, you are such a nerd like saying
oh wow on the classical piece.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
But I okay, So I've never seen translit Iberian Orchestra before.
So are you supposed to be quiet or people? No,
it's a rock concert. It's because we piece is more well, it's.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
It's a it's a very famous piece, although most people
don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
But it was just and it's a loud piece.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
But just there's a brief moment of silence, like the
guys are singing something. They stopped for a second and
I said something just as they were stopping. Anyway, Dragon
al Petrelli, who is the musical director of Trans Siberian Orchestra,
asked me to give this to you, one of his
guitar picks. So we also we set a quick hello

(19:29):
to him after after the.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Show, and he asked me to give that to you.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
So there you go, got friends in the orchestra.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Well, the musical director comes on as a guest on
the show.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
I mean kind of to sell tickets, but we end up.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Having these long conversations and I think he appreciates that.
I asked him about his family because his kids serve
in the military and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
He's always been We've even done name that tune with him.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Nice Yeah, life played in Alice Cooper song because he
used to play with Alice Cooper.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
It's not local. He travels.

Speaker 8 (19:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah, In fact, Trans Siberian Orchestra, huh is so big.
Not only are they doing two shows a day, they
did two shows our day in Denver and then two
shows yesterday in the Springs.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
They have two entire bands.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
They have an East Coast band and a West Coast band.
And while Dragon was seeing uh, while I was seeing
him in the afternoon, and Dragon was seeing him in
the evening on Sunday, their East Coast version was playing
in Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
That's how big they are.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
They made mention something like that on stage that this
is the the Denver chapter the orchestra was like the
Denver chapter of the TSOS.

Speaker 10 (20:29):
Right.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well, yes, the violin people there are actually local and
the rest are all part of the traveling. It really
is a spectacular show.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
The list I really want.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
To well, we'll make sure you do see them next year.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Hey, real quick? Were they sitting or standing? The crowd.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Mostly sitting A little bit of bull.

Speaker 5 (20:49):
Old crotchety concert goer that I am love the heck
out of that.

Speaker 11 (20:52):
It's like you especially floor seats, but it's okay standing cheer.
There's nothing wrong with that whatsoever, people that were doing that. Yeah,
but just the old crotchety me. He was like, no,
I'm sitting yeah, yeah, all right, dragon, enjoy. All right,
you're welcome. So let me mention.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Gina mentioned during the newscast that President Trump has lowered
some tariffs on some food items, and I just want
to talk about this briefly because I think it's interesting
and I think it's important, and it's really a double
edged sword for the presidents and for Republicans more broadly,
because they know that affordability is a real political issue

(21:30):
for them right now. And I've said this many many times.
Trump was absolutely right to campaign on affordability. That was
the primary weakness for Joe Biden in there, and then
for Kamala Harrison absolutely had the campaign on it. Trump's
problem somewhat of his own creation, but you understand it
in the nature of politics being what it is, is
that he said I'm going to get grocery prices down

(21:52):
on day one and he hasn't. And you know, there's
not very much a president could do about it. So
it's a difficult promise to make. Right on the one hand,
it's promise you're probably gonna make because you want to
win the election. On the other hand, it's a promise
you should probably understand you're not gonna be able to keep,
so you better find a way to.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Make some people happy.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
And instead of doing things that really aimed at lowering
the cost of anything, President Trump's primary economic policy has
been trade wars in tariffs, which raised the price of
all that stuff. So the Trump administration realizes they're losing
on this part of the reason they got slacked so badly.
Republicans did so badly in the elections a couple of

(22:29):
weeks ago, and so now they have put out this
addendum to the list of things that are not tariffed
there and in addition to well, I'll just mention a
few things, right, So, lots and lots of fruits and vegetables,
all kinds of stuff. I'm just gonna read some coconuts,
cashew nuts, macadamia nuts, bananas, pineapples, avocados, that's a big one, right.

(22:49):
A lot of people use avocado, A lot of people
like guacamole, and we have approximately zero supply of avocados
in the United States, very very little. Papaya's, quinces and
coffee that's a big one. Chocolate, vanilla, beans, cinnamon, nutmeg, cardamum, coriander, cumin, ginger, barley,
but not seed flower of certain kinds, not we flour,

(23:14):
but a bunch. And then the big one beef, Lots
and lots of different kinds of beef. And what's been
very interesting to me in the forty eight hour, seventy
two hours or whatever since this happened, I have not
heard anything coming out of the ranchers complaining about the
reductions in tariffs on beef. And I think that they've

(23:36):
realized that the amount of beef we import is not
that large, and anything is compared to American demand. Anything
is beneficial on the margin, But will it make a difference,
maybe just a little. There are bigger problems afoot. The
last very quick thing on this one issue for Trump
and saying we're going to try to lower prices by

(23:58):
reducing tariffs, is it's an admission that tariffs raised prices,
and that's not something he wanted to admit. I was
going to do something serious here, but I don't want
to at the moment because I think I walked in.
So let me just one other interjection here. I think
it was Rush Limbaugh, who used to say he could
do his show with half his brain tied behind his
back because because he's, you know, so smart and that good.

(24:21):
And I'd like to tell you that's what I'm doing today,
except I'm the stupid version of that I'm doing. I'm
doing the show with half my brain tied behind my back.
And that's why I called the Broncos the Rockies earlier
in the show. And that's why I just made some
the Raiders. You called them the Raider the Rockies game.
So that was quite And then I just made some

(24:42):
tea and I forgot to put the cap on, and
so David Kal kindly went back to my desk and
got the the cover for my tea things. So I'm
a complete moron today and I'm absolutely lost, and I'm
only going to get through this show with you guys
carrying the load. So got about ninety seconds here, did
I walk in on YouTube talking about green bean casserole?

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Correct? Yeah, can someone explain this?

Speaker 5 (25:06):
In Gina's newscast, she was talking about Campbell's has the
list out of the best side dishes for Thanksgiving dinner,
and stuffing was number one, and I was asking Gina
back and forth off the air she was doing the
podcast playing was audio clips as to what if she
likes her stuffing in the bird. Then, of course, I
remember she's a vegetarian, so that's probably a no go.

(25:27):
And you know, there's there's a big you know, homemade
stuffing or box.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Stuffing and all that kind of things.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
And then Gina admitted that she prefers green bean casserole
over stuffing.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yes, is that made with mushroom soup or something like that.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Or from scratch?

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Because that's when we started talking about it, because I said,
green bean casserole is pretty highly debatable because people don't
like it because it's all just out of cans. Can't
green beans, canned soup? You know the little uh fried
onions that go on top. And Dragon said, from scratch?

Speaker 2 (25:57):
All the bean have you? Dragon? Have you made from
almost every year?

Speaker 1 (26:02):
And and Gena, do you often make it from cans
of everything? Fresh green beans or canned green beans?

Speaker 12 (26:09):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (26:10):
I'm sorry, wow, canned vegetables?

Speaker 1 (26:12):
All right, So I just need to tell you guys
one quick thing because it's.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
Really funny you haven't expressed to this audience yet, is
to your feelings about Thanksgiving dinner.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
I don't like turkey. I don't like green bean casserole.
I like the stuffing. I like cranberry sauce. Yeah for
the can or you make your own. I don't do
any of it, but I think make your own is
better than the can. But the cans, all right, I
have a sweet tooth, and it's like the can is
like Maraschino cherries. It's like totally like Chernobyl, product of Chernobyl. Right,

(26:46):
there's almost nothing natural about it, especially the color. But
let me just tell you what it is. Still see yeah, yeah,
right that sound again? Yeah yeah, let me just tell
you this real quick. So I was talking, So my
kid is coming home from Washington State. We're gonna do
we're gonna do Thanksgiving together, and we got some turkey
and we get some beef ribs, not traditional, but we're

(27:08):
gonna have that as well along with turkey. And somehow
the concept came up in conversation with my wife of
turduckan right, so a turkey and a duck and a chicken,
and my wife said, my wife said, how do they
do that? That seems like animal cruelty? Like my wife
was wondering if they stuffed the animals inside each.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Other while they were still alive.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
We'll be right back on KOA.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
You don't have to wait till December thirteenth to watch
the Broncos. It's definitely November thirtieth. I don't know what
was in my brain, but a Broncos will play the
Commanders on November thirtieth, which reminds me.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
As long as we're correcting things, did you did you
wear a Tailor Swift shirt under your Bronco shirt?

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Eyes?

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah, huh and it almost did it purposely because I
knew the hate mail on it would be just so good.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Why no, I don't mean why did you do it?

Speaker 1 (28:04):
I mean why would people be very I mean, I
don't care one way another about Taylor Swift.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
But I think it's that. I think it's just you know,
Taylor Swift, Taylor.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Swift, Travis Kelsey connection.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
There.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Oh that's the reason.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yes, yes, sorry, you know I'm more on today.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
But then people also just hate Taylor Swift just to
hate Taylor.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
She's not that hateable. I don't really, She's fine, She's
not hateable. There's way more hateable people than Tailor unless
you just hate people because they're more successful than you will.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
I think it mainly is she's just in the news
too often, so people are just like enough, don't want
to hear about her anymore. Yeah, that's crazy news.

Speaker 8 (28:39):
First.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
I think part of the problem is she puts out
one album but does like eight different album covers. All
the Swifties have to buy all eightes. Genius on her part.
She's making eight times the money.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
So yeah, the Fame album, but they all need the
different artwork for all of them.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, and they did that even with the vinyl versions
of I don't know about this most resealing, but certainly
the one before I think it came out in four
different colors of vinyl, and I don't have any of them,
but if I were, you know, I get all right,
all right, let's talk about this affordability thing for a moment.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
And President Trump has been making.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
A lot out of Walmart's statement that their Thanksgiving dinner
is twenty five percent cheaper this year, and I thought
this would be a really good opportunity to talk about
something I like to talk about frequently, and that is
data abuse. You really got to ask yourself some smart
questions when Walmart says our Thanksgiving dinner is twenty five

(29:39):
percent cheaper this year. And the first question of course
to ask is, well, is it the same stuff?

Speaker 2 (29:44):
And it's not.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
In fact, it's not even close to being the same stuff,
which I actually kind of blame Walmart for. But you know,
different different people. Eric, Let's do it this way. So
when you're looking at the content of Walmart's Thanksgiving dinner,
there's two different ways you can look at it. One

(30:06):
how many different types of things are in the meal?
And then within those how many different pieces of each?
For example, if you had two cans of cream of
mushroom soup, that's one type of thing, but it's two cans.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
You with me.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
So in twenty twenty four, there were twenty one different
types of things in the Walmart Thanksgiving meal, twenty one.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
This year, there's only fifteen.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
In twenty twenty four there were twenty nine actual items,
so where you're counting the two cans of soup as
two rather than one. Last year there were twenty nine.
This year there's twenty two. Also, the Walmart thing has
swapped out of some name brands into some store brands,

(30:55):
and also some of the stuff that's not included is
stuff that is a little bit expensive. For example, last
year's Thanksgiving basket from Walmart had a pecan pie.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
This year's doesn't.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Last year had rusted potatoes and sweet potatoes, which tend
to be a little bit more expensive. This year has
the rusted potatoes but not the sweet potatoes. Last year
had two cans of cream of mushroom soup. This year
has one can of cream of mushroom soup. This year's
basket also does not have miniature marshmallows, corn muffin mix,

(31:31):
fresh onions, fresh celery it. But it does have fresh cranberries,
but instead of oh, it has fresh cranberries. But actually
that's cheaper than cranberry sauce.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Believe it or not. The fresh cranberries are now this year.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
You do get an extra can of green beans, and
you do get pre made stuffing mix, some carrots, and
some boxes of mac and cheese.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
But in any case, look, the thing you need to
understand is and I'm not look.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
I think this is a little bit of tricky marketing
from Walmart. And I have no idea whether Donald Trump
even knows this or not. Right he probably does, But whatever,
I'm a little actually more upset with Walmart than with
Donald Trump for coming out and trying to make it
sound like Thanksgiving is twenty five percent.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Cheaper this year, because it's just not the same stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
It's less stuff and less expensive stuff and no pecan pie.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
And I wanted to just share this.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
With you, not yeah, partly about the details of the story,
but also just as this big picture thing I like
to remind folks of from time to time, and that is,
you know, when people are presenting you with data, I
want to encourage you to always ask yourself questions about,
you know, what could make that data either more or

(32:51):
less relevant or important significant than it seems. And you know,
this is a perfect example, because a twenty five percent
reduction in the price of a Thanksgiving dinner sounds like
really significant news, But of course the question you need
to ask yourself is is it actually the same stuff.
I want to just remind folks in case we got

(33:13):
listeners to the show who didn't used to listen from
nine to noon, that you can keep in touch and
Gina and I and Dragon would love you.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
To keep in touch with us. Through the text.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Line at five six six nine zero, we read every text,
we actually reply to very many of them. So if
you text us at five six six nine zero, do
us one favor, and that is, please put either Ross
or Gina or Dragon, whoever you're addressing the text to,
or if you're kind of addressing it to the whole show,
you can put as one listener just.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Did a few minutes ago.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
You can just put rotten at the beginning, ro otn, right, rotn,
and then we'll all kind of know it's for us,
like rotten. Have you guys tried fresh cranberry relish? Gina,
have you tried fresh cranberry relish?

Speaker 3 (33:59):
I don't know a fresh cranberry RELICTI.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Fresh cranberry's orange and sugar chopped in a food processor.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Wow, sounds good.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
So that's like there cranberry sauce and Thanksgiving to me.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
I guess I like that. Put it on chips. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
I feel like you probably just eat it.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Feel like you bathe in a spoon. I feel like
you bathe in it. We'll be right back on Koa.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Making it eight wins in a row for the broncos
Man after anothernother just stressful last second field goal beating
the Chiefs, twenty two nineteen a powerfield at Mile High
and joining us on the KOA Common Spirit Health hotline
is Broncos sideline reporter reporter Susie warden Man. Susie, I
was at that game yesterday, and I loved the shout

(34:42):
out that me and probably seventy six other thousand other
Broncos fans received from coach Sean Payton when he said,
I think it was thanks to us that some of
those plays did not go well for the Chiefs.

Speaker 10 (34:54):
Yeah, you know what, it was so loud, and you
know that being there, it was funny. I was just
on with a ch Lewis and Kathy on the Fox
and they were talking about it too, and I said,
the way that I knew how loud it was is
because in my right ear, I wear an IFB that
covers up my whole ear so I can hear the station,
and then the left ear is exposed. And when I
went in at halftime, it sounded like my left ear

(35:15):
went to a concert and my right ear was fine.
So that's how.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Loud it was.

Speaker 10 (35:19):
I mean, it was just it was deafening at some point,
and it started right from the get go, So great
job by you and the seventy six thousand others.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Hey, Susie, sorry I wasn't there with you, as I
have been a few times this year. I wanted to
wanted to run out on the field and take pictures
of you after the win with whoever you were interviewing.
But one of the cool things about being on the sideline,
which I get to see from your perspective a few
times a year, is you can really pick up the
vibe from the bench because you're standing around them.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
What was that like yesterday?

Speaker 10 (35:49):
It was awesome. There was never a time where it
felt like the Broncos weren't in it, weren't involved. I mean,
it was just it was a pretty electric seal the
whole entire time. When it came to that last moment,
that last second field goal. We were all there in
Kansas City last year when we thought that it was
going to be, you know, a good to go and
we were going to win there in Kansas City, So

(36:10):
I think there was some trepidation at that point, but
never felt like it just felt like the Broncos were
very much in control this entire game, which was great.
And there's been times where the ball hasn't bounced our way.
I mean there were some of those calls that came
in and the pis that were just killer calls, but
they also got calls too. The Chiefs had ten penalties
just like the Broncos did, so the refs were doing

(36:33):
what they needed to do a little bit, I think
on that end as.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Well, Susie. I got to ask you about one call
because all of us in the stands were like unsportsmanlike
conduct on the bench, what was what was this call?
And then we watched the video of just a coach
Payton referee collision take place. Did you actually see that
happen on the sideline?

Speaker 10 (36:53):
I didn't know that that was farther in because I
was like, what are they talking about? Because I didn't
see anything happened. So in Cal I saw the replay
and they didn't show it at least I didn't see
it in the in the stands on the Jumbo tron,
but I saw it later on. I mean, you can't
be in that white area the coach of k and
Sean stands and that all the time. He's always in there,
so he is, you know, putting himself at risk of

(37:16):
having a referee run into him. And if the ref
runs into you, it's going to be an unsportsmanlike so,
I mean, but man, he just it's quite the collision.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I was interested to hear what you said there, Susie
about the refs, because there were parts of that game
where I was you know, I know I'm partisan, but
I was like yelling at the TV, like did these
guys bet on Kansas City or what? That first that
first pass interference call against Riley Moss, that was nothing.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
And I mean I get your point.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
They had the same number of penalties and maybe it's
sort of evened out later, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Earlier in the game, I didn't feel good about it.

Speaker 10 (37:54):
Yeah, no, I mean ten penalties on each side. But
the Broncos had one hundred and forty seven yards compared
to Kansas City sixty nine yards. So for them, it
was a lot of little holding plays, you know, five
and ten things like that. Those two PI plays were huge,
and I mean they both came at times and that's
when people start to look and go, hmm, okay, they
got us on those two. I mean the you know what,

(38:16):
there's some legitimacy. Riley owned up to some things after
the game too. Our a Rod got a great question
with him that's out on social media, So it's one
of those things. And they're going to always go after him,
especially you know. I mean PS two is not out there,
but they're going to go after Riley all the time.
So he's got to figure out some ways to do
some things differently as well so that he's not getting

(38:37):
under that microscope.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Couldn't agree with you more.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
He's a good player, but he's taking too many penalties.
He does definitely need to sort that out. What are
you going to do next Sunday?

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (38:48):
Nothing, you know, watch football as a fan, which is
kind of cool. We got a little pace of it
last because with the Thursday game we had a little
bit of a mini buy in there, so it was
nice to be able to just hang out and watch
games all day. And so that's probably what I'll end
up doing, which will be really nice.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Susie Wargen is the sideline reporter here for for KOA
for our Denver Broncos. Congrats and I mean, you didn't win,
but you kind of did because you were there and
maybe maybe it was maybe you're the one who made
him win.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
So for whatever you had to do with it, Thank you.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
But it's just so fun.

Speaker 10 (39:22):
We're having a great time and the guys are having
a good time, and just know that this team is
they're all in and they're great guys, and it's it's
great for Broncos country.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Thanks Zusie, appreciate it. Take a quick break. We'll be
right back on KOA including with Gina and the news.
Fairly generic kind of country song, I would guess, and
the uh, the artist there, I guess i'll call it
artist is called uh breaking Rust, a very generic kind

(39:52):
of name. And the song is called Walk My Walk,
a generic kind of title.

Speaker 12 (39:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
And the thing you need to know about that singer
is what Dragon. It's Ai. It's not a person, it's Ai.
It's all AI. And I just want to mention a
couple of quick things and I want to get genus thoughts.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
On this too. But so there's a story.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Let's see, this is a typical kind of headline America's
most downloaded country artist AI, and they're.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Talking about this. Let's see that.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Song that Dragon just played a little of was, at
least for a little while, the number one song on
Billboard's Country Digital Song Sales Chart and then another AI
quote unquote artist who goes by the name of.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Cain c Ai and Walker.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Actually it's an R and B singer I guess rather
than country is number three on that same chart with
a song called Don't Tread On Me. Now, I do
have some some data stuff to share with you on
this as well, but before before we do that, I
want to ask you, guys, what do you what do
you think of AI music concept?

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Not like is it good or bad, but like bigger picture.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Oh, I mean, it's pretty scary, yeacause I just feel
like smaller musicians are struggling to even stay afloat to
begin with. Now, take an AI artist on Spotify who
people might just be listening to because it's AI. Hey
listen to this, Look how funny it is. You're giving
it more and more and more hits, and then fewer
artists are having the opportunity to get their music sound

(41:30):
you know heard. Uh, it's scary. I think it's very
scary because as you hear it kind of just sounds
like your typical country song.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah right, I think. Yeah, they've got a video. It
looks like, you know, he's.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Not the only one. There's a lot of AI artists
on Spotify nowadays, and there was one that was really
topping the charts of a couple of months, right.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
I remember that story.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
And then there's that AI actress Tilly whatever her name is,
the British fake actress Dragon.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
What do you think.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
I'm really hoping that it's going to be like the
eighties with the synth rock and the drum machines.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
It'll have its time.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
Yeah, it'll hopefully just be the flash in the pan
and people will fade away from it and be like,
all right, that was the thing then, but now we're
back to real stuff.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
I think we're gonna get to a situation where you're
gonna hear songs released and they'll get some traction, and
then the public is gonna say, prove to me that
that's a real person, right, come out on stage and
sing it without a microphone, so it can't be let
you know, Milli Vanilli voice sinking voiced right it, come out,

(42:28):
come on out and prove it. I think I think
we're gonna stop giving you know, quote unquote artists the
benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah, well, I am curious to see are are we
going to take these songs and create live shows from
them from an artist who then will be AI generating music,
and they're just not really even the artists. It is
like a lip syncing situation where they're just coming out
and they're doing whole shows and getting packed audiences and
nobody even knows that it's all a.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Or can you get an actual singer who sounds like
the AI.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Voice to come out and do that concert?

Speaker 1 (42:59):
But I think part of the upside of doing it
the way they're doing is financial. Right, you just sit
behind a computer, you make this stuff, and like one
or two or three people can do this and you
don't have to do a whole concert thing, and you
don't have to pay you know, an artist some amount
of money. Or of course we're talking about now, the
artists are also not going to be making money because

(43:21):
they're gonna be squeezed out by this.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Yes, I think a lot of people right now are
just doing it because they think it's funny.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Hey look at this.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah wow, nobody knows exactly. But what happens when people
start abusing it even further and try to make a
lot of money off of Here's.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
A little insight from timemagazine, Time dot Com top of
the charts this week's This week, many headlines declared that
an AI generated song, walk My Walk, by breaking Rust,
had become the biggest country song in America.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
That is unequivocally not true.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Walk My Walk, a laughably generic country song about independence
and defiance, had middling organic momentum on streaming and search.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Before it topped Billboard's.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Country Digital Song Sales chart last week. The song is
currently nowhere to be found on updated daily streaming country
charts on Spotify or Apple Music. But because very few
people actually buy digital songs anymore, it only takes a
few thousand purchases to top the Country Digital Song Sales chart.

(44:23):
This dynamic raises the possibility that someone took this specific
tac to generate momentum. This would not be a new phenomenon.
Billboard's digital sales have been a target for manipulation for
several years now, forcing the company to make several tweaks
to tamp down on gamesmanship. So Walk My Walk is
number one in one metric.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
But not a meaningful one.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Regardless, the headlines around its chart topping have created a
flywheel effect, creating more interest and outrage around the song.
Some people now like it and some hate it, but
people are clicking either way, driving it to number two
on Spotify's Viral fifty USA chart, which gets to exactly
what you were saying.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
That's what, yeah, because right now Breaking Ross has two
point seven million monthly listeners on Spotify, and The Walk
My Walk has four point six million listens. So it's
just the fact that, no matter how you want to
try to categorize who's a big hit or not, there's
two point seven million monthly listeners that could have been
going to a real person on Spotify because someone clicked

(45:29):
on it, and it's slowly making its way up any
chart you want to look at.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
And what I just want to make sure folks understand here.
When you hear that such and such is on top
of the chart for digital sales, you might think you
might kind of confuse that with plays on Spotify, on
Title on whatever, because those are digital platforms. But it's
not the same thing. Right You've got a subscription to
whatever your online music thing is. When you play a

(45:55):
song there, it doesn't count as a digital sale. You're
not buying the song. Very very very few people buy
songs anymore. You just have this monthly subscription, and you
play the songs you want to play, however many times
you want to play. And the whole song buying thing
was a very short lived thing.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
And so that's why.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
These particular lists of the top selling songs can be
so easily manipulated, because since so few people buy songs,
if you're willing to spend a few.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Thousand bucks, ten thousand bucks.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Whatever it might be, you can go out there and
jack your song way up on those charts. So I
just wanted to keep y'all in the loop on what's
going on there when we come back. Catholic parents and
schools in Colorado are suing the state.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
We'll tell you why right after this on KOA.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
When you live in a very blue state, you often
have government taking actions that seem to be anti religion,
anti religious organizations, and so on. And while I am
not a particularly religion person, most of these things strike
me as obvious violations of the First Amendment, and very

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often here in Colorado, when you have the state government
or other divisions of government doing things that treat religious
institutions worse than non religious institutions regarding the same underlying issue,
very often the state or those other governments lose. There's
another case coming up right now, and a group of

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Catholic parents and schools being represented by the Beckett Fund
and Amanda Dixon, Council at the Becket Fund joins us
to talk about the case. Hey, Amanda, thanks for joining us.

Speaker 13 (47:39):
On KOA, I thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Glad to do it.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
So tell us about Saint Mary Catholic Parish versus Roy.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Right, So this is a.

Speaker 8 (47:49):
Case about Colorado's universal pre K program. Well, it's supposed
to be universal, but the way that Colorado has implemented
this program, it leaves out the Catholic schools and Catholic
parents who want to send their children to those schools
for pre K because the Catholic schools want to make
sure that the families that are involved in their schools

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abide by Catholic principles and that they're partnering with families
instead of creed and conflict with families. So the Colorado
has decided that it can partner with tons of different
private and public schools, but it can't partner with Catholic
schools for its universal pre K program because it doesn't
like their Catholic admission standards.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
So this case did go to the Tenth Circuit, right,
it did?

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yes, Right, So the Tenth.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Circuit, just for the benefit of the listeners, is as
high as you can get in the federal court system
before the Supreme Court. So at this point are you
seeking searchs? Is that what's going on right now?

Speaker 13 (48:52):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (48:52):
So we filed our petition for this case last Thursday.
So we're hoping the Supreme Court will consider this in
the upcoming months, and we think it's definitely a case
that they should say very seriously.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you to just take
off your you know, your hat as far as you
representing your client, and just talk to us for a
moment as an objective attorney to the best that you can.
What was the reasoning for the Tenth Circuit Court of
Appeals and the federal district court below that to side
against your clients?

Speaker 14 (49:26):
Sure, so those courts thought, because the law in place
in Colorado doesn't specifically say it's targeting religion, that it's
perfectly fine. So the fact that they.

Speaker 8 (49:40):
Decided that, the fact that the administrators are creating exceptions
for other groups but not religious schools isn't a problem
because the law itself is framed neutrally, so that that
was enough for the court.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
So it okay, if it's framed neutrally, and I'm sure
you think it's it's not. But if it's framed neutrally,
under what per vision of the law is the state saying, well,
we are going to exclude Catholic schools.

Speaker 15 (50:06):
Sure, So the law requires that the participating preschools grant
equal access to an admission and an operation to group
to anyone on a bunch of different grounds. So that's
going to be religious, that's going to be sexual orientation,
gender identity, disability, income, and it says you have to

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grant equal access.

Speaker 16 (50:32):
Well, Catholic schools want.

Speaker 8 (50:34):
To make sure that they're not creating a conflict in
the home, so they don't. They want to make sure
that the parents who send their children there are willing
to uphold Catholic values.

Speaker 15 (50:44):
So that that's the practice of the Catholic schools.

Speaker 8 (50:49):
The Colorado administrators has said this is discrimination.

Speaker 16 (50:52):
Now they allow other schools who don't actually don't actually
grant equal opportunity to anticipate because it sees the exceptions
that those schools offer as beneficial and because of that,
they think it's not discriminatory.

Speaker 8 (51:08):
If you kind of agree with Colorado's values, they think
it's not discriminatory. If you do something in Colorado cast
at they see that as discriminatory and violation of the
equal opportunity provision.

Speaker 10 (51:19):
And you're locked out.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Okay, So if I can massively oversimplify and give just
one example, one hypothetical example is what we're saying here
that if a Catholic school would, based on the principles
of that particular faith, refuse to have a transgender teacher
or maybe a transgender student, then the state is saying, well,

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if you won't allow that, even though you are making
a credible claim that your decision is based on true
tenets of your faith, that therefore you can't participate in
this program.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Is that what we're talking about.

Speaker 14 (51:57):
Yeah, so that's what the status said, but it's said.

Speaker 8 (52:01):
That in the Catholic in the Catholic circumstances, while at
the same time saying that for something like, for example,
a school that was only for gender and nonconforming children
would not violate their non discrimination standards because that was beneficial.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Very interesting and last quick question, what do you think
the odds are of the Supreme Court agreeing to hear
this case.

Speaker 8 (52:24):
You know, I tried to be careful about predicting what
the Supreme Court is going to do. You are always
willing to surprise you. But I'm definitely hopeful that. I
think this is a case that presents a very serious
issue and some very interesting legal questions.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Would give it a really close look, right, and with
the composition of this particular Supreme Court, I would think
you guys would have a pretty decent chance of winning.
There's obviously three votes that you won't get, and maybe
there's four or five. You know, maybe there's four you
won't get. But I would suspect you would win this case.
I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I would
bet a little. In any case, it'll it'll be very

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interesting and well, we'll keep in touch, especially if the
Supreme Court says, yes, we're gonna hear it, Well, we'll
definitely have you back.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
All right, Thanks thanks for having you, Thanks for being here.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Amanda Dixon his counsel at the Beckett Fund. That website
is Beckett B E C K E T Fund dot org.
We're going to take a quick break for some some
words and some news, and gosh, we still have plenty
of stuff to do today, including a kid driving a
stolen golf cart.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
It's not an important story, but I like it anyway.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Gina was at the game yesterday and uh, and you
were wearing what Travis Kelce jersey under your What were
you wearing?

Speaker 3 (53:39):
I had my Broncos gear to begin with? Start with that? Yeah,
well then as a joke, underneath my Broncos gear, I
wore my Taylor Swift eras to our T shirt.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Oh okay, so it's not a Travis Kelsey show.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
No.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
And the caption said you hate the Chiefs, But is
Taylor Swift here? Because I was curious. I never saw
any sightings of her, so I don't think she was actually.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
At the I didn't see her on the TV.

Speaker 5 (54:01):
I sure the camera crew would put her on in
an opposing territory.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yeah, they would, I think, yeah, at least once. At
least once or twice.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
She's too famous not to, you know, like, even if
even if a camera crew you know, didn't like Donald Trump,
if you were a game, you're gonna put them on
the screen, all right. I'm glad you didn't wear your
Travis Kelsey jersey that you wear at the station sometimes.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
No, that's not true.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Today people are you're claiming it's more of a burnt
red than the orange that I was hoping that.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Is a lovely Chiefs red sweitter.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Oh man, We're gonna have Dave Logan in the next
segment to talk about some more of the Broncos game
and maybe make fun of maybe make fun of Gina.
Coming up two days from now, this Wednesday, Let's all
help those in need please with Koa's Holiday food drive
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Speaker 2 (55:00):
Nine am to nine pm.

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So starting with Michael Brown Show, than Mandy and all
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this Wednesday, King Soupers, Colorado and Yale. This is our

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holiday food drive presented by us along with Redbird Farms
and Colorado Ewick GMC Dealers. All Right, I promised you
this story, and it's a dumb story, but I like
it because that's how my brain works. This is from
our news partners at KDVR Fox thirty one.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
A child who was reported.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
As lost was caught driving a stolen golf cart in
Palisade on Sunday morning, according to a social media post
from the Mesa County Sheriff's Office.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Now, I have to say.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
When I first experienced Colorado, it was driving across the
state with my dad as he was moving. And I
probably shouldn't talk about this on the air, but I well,
this is a long long time ago. I was in
college and my parents got divorced, and we were on
the East coast and my dad moved to the West
coast and I drove with him to kind of share
the driving, and we drove through Colorado, and.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I remember this vision.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
That had me thinking, this is where I want to
move one day. And it was a vision of one
side of the highway. I guess it would be the
north side being like the surface of the moon, and
the other side of the highway, the south side, being
like the garden of Eden.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
And it took me years to figure.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Out after we moved Kristin and I moved to Colorado,
like thirty years twenty five years later, something like that,
to figure out what it was.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
And it was Palisade, right.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
And the north side of the highway got these incredible
mass and they're barren and gray, grayish tan, tannish gray,
hardly anything growing on them. And the other side you've
got the Colorado River Valley, which is where the Palisade peaches,
some of the best peaches in the world are grown,
and their vineyards and they make wine, and there's lavender
farms and all kinds of stuff. And I thought it

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was just the most spectacular thing. And I still think
I might like to retire out there one day. I
don't know if I ever will retire, but I would
like to retire out there one day. But now I'm
a little bit afraid of the crime situation out there
because deputies had to respond to a call regarding a
lost child and then somebody called in to the police

(57:56):
department and said they saw a child on a golf
cart in the one hundred block of West first Street
in Palisade. Deputies responded to the area and found no
trace of the child or the golf cart. Oh, the
mystery deepens. A second reverse nine to one one call
went out and then cops began to get a bunch
of other calls. They partnered with the Grand Junction Police Department.

(58:18):
Is obviously a multi agency problem to track the golf cart,
which was traveling northbound on twenty nine Road. When the
golf cart was spotted, a deputy was able to hop
into the cart and bring it to a stop around
nine to fifteen am.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
I think the timing is very very important there.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
The child was taken back to his guardians and the
golf cart was returned to the owners. No one was
harmed during the incident. The name of the child will
not be released due to their status as a minor.
And I just have to say you know, I gotta
tell my wife this story and just have a conversation
with it or with her about you know, like, is
this still a place that's that's safe for us.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
There's just a lot.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
No word on why he stole the golf cart.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
I'm thinking it's because he could just join golf cart
and he's a child, right, Yeah, That's why I would
steal a golf cart.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
That's the one biggest thing I don't miss from Florida
was just so many golf carts. Just people drove them
around like they thought that they could do other things
while they're driving golf carts, which is still illegal, and
they still did it for some reasons.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Okay, I have to tell you a funny story.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
So some years back, we've talked about this before, there
was that that that totally clips but you had to
go a little bit east to get in the path
of totality. So I was on kihow at the time,
and dozens and dozens of listeners went out there with
us and Medicine Arthur Nebraska on the l on the
north side of Lake whatever, that huge lake McConaughey Lake

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on the north side there to look at this and
I think I've.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Told you this story once or twice before.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
But when I mentioned it to Tom Martine, He's like, oh,
can I come? And I said sure, And he said
you want to take my helicopter? And I said, and
why didn't you lead with that? So anyway, so we
flew out there on his helicopter to this place called
North Shore Lodge, right on the north shore of Lake McConaughey,
I'm going somewhere with this, I promise, And we landed
in this big grassy area kind of near the lake.

(01:00:15):
Now do you remember the scene in the movie Brave Heart,
And I'm sure there have been plenty of other movies
like this where you've got this army that, as you're
looking at them, stretches out like for a mile across
the horizon and they all come across the hill with
their war paint and the battle axes and all that.
But it's this huge, wide scene way.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Out in front of you. You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Yeah, it was like that when Tom and I landed
with his helicopter, except golf carts. It was all these
people who live in that kind of community a fewer
year round. Most are vacation people, and they get around
the area on golf carts, and it was like maybe
not a mile, but like half a mile.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Or something wide of dozens and dozens and dozens of.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Golf all coming at us like the Warriors and Brave Heart.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Now, do you think a lot of those people on
those golf carts golf, because obviously in Florida most people
probably also used them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
It's a golf I would think, not just no, but
hell no.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
We're talking about the north shore of Lake McConaughey with
cabins that are rather nice, but they're basically like, if
you're lucky, it's a double wide. Okay, that's been kind
of modified to be a vacation cabin. I there probably
is a golf course around there, but no, and it
just seems like so much fun. Doesn't everybody want a

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golf cart? Like, just like everybody wants a jet ski, right,
doesn't everybody want a jetski?

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
You would definitely pick a jet ski over a golf
cart a golf cart. You're just driving around on a cart,
a jet ski or on the water.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Yeah, Like, it was just the most amazing scene.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Dozens and dozens of golf carts all coming over the hill,
like brave heart.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Yeah, if I were a kid, I would steal a
golf cart just because I could Dave Logan next to
talk about the Broncos winning and Genus Travis Kelce Jersey No,
possibly golf carts and maybe golf carts too misinformation. I
wonder if Dave Logan has a golf cart. We'll have
to ask him that voice of the Denver Broncos along
with his broadcast partner Rick Lewis, who was in studio

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with us earlier this morning. And so Dave, obviously we
need to start with the most important question of the day.
If it were up to you, would you have a
plate full of sides on Thanksgiving? Or would you still
have turkey if you had a choice?

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Really very okay, yesterday's game, Dave was not a turkey.
Tell us your key takeaways, and then I'm sure we'll
have some other random questions for you.

Speaker 12 (01:02:55):
My key takeaways, Well, they won the game, right there,
three and a half games in the lost column ahead
of the Chiefs. There are two games they had and
the lost column on the Chargers. And I mean I
thought this was probably as good an overall team win defensively,

(01:03:16):
excuse me, we've seen them play really excellent football most
of the year. I thought they got a big, big
lift and the special teams blocked an extra point. MIMS
had had a couple of one really great punt return,
and then I thought offensively, the first drive of the

(01:03:37):
game sort of set the tone. They converted twice on
third down, one a third and eight, one the other
I think a third and eleven for a team that
had struggled really to kind of gain some traction offensively
to be able to move that down. Now they had
to settle for a field goal, obviously, but that was
an important drive, and I thought the offense took some steps,

(01:03:59):
some positive of steps in the right direction yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Dave. I do love how you prefaced. I'm not even
going to say it before that final will will Let's
field goal, because we all remember what happened last time
and we didn't want to repeat of what happened last year.
But when you're looking at some of the other things
that we really need to focus on, first off, I
was at the game yesterday just as loud as can be.
I saw video from somebody in the press box where

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their water was literally like vibrating because they could just
feel it, maybe not hear it, but feel it. I'm
curious if you felt or saw anything that made it
more electric than what we've seen in past games.

Speaker 12 (01:04:35):
Oh yeah, no, Geene, I think I think that that crowd.
I mean, listen, Denver, the Broncos in general, they've got
really smart fans, So they understood the magnitude of that game.
I mean, they understood that Casey would come in. It
was I called it the Waterloo game for them. You
knew you were going to get absolutely Casey's best. They

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were healthy, healthier than the Broncos for sure. And so yeah,
I thought it had I thought it had a playoff
atmosphere with respect to the crowd, and I think players,
I think players build on that and feed off that.
I mean they really do. Even even NFL guys, you
can feel that in an NFL stadium when there's just

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an electricity to a game that may be a tad
bit unusual, and I thought it was that way for
the fans yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Dave, there are a couple things I want to ask
you that relate directly or indirectly to Riley Moss. First,
the past interference, his first pass interference penalty that was
forty or forty one yards or whatever that was. That
looked to me like a terrible call, And especially for
much of the first half of that game, I was
yelling at the TV, like, are these guys, these refs

(01:05:47):
betting on Kansas City? Did you think? But you know,
you're a little better, even though you're a partisan like
I am, you're better at sort of being objective at
these things. Did you think the officiating was okay or
not so much?

Speaker 12 (01:06:00):
I think the first roster, the one you mentioned to me,
that's not a penalty, that's that's not past interference. And
I think a couple of things have happened. Riley has earned,
I believe, the scrutiny of NFL officials because he said
a number of number of those calls right so to

(01:06:22):
to suggest that NFL officials are not aware of guys
that they get a list before the game as they
study for the upcoming game in terms of guys that
have committed.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
What what fouls?

Speaker 12 (01:06:35):
Really So, the first pass interference call to me is
an absolute no call. I just, I just I wouldn't
have thrown that flag. The second one he got handsy,
you got put in a difficult situation because you know,
when when a receiver is stopping, we're not running full speed,
then the ball is underthrown and that receiver is putting

(01:06:56):
on the brakes and trying to fight his way back
to the ball. I mean, your inclination, as you're running
as fast as you can is to try to put
your hands in there and impede him from getting back.
So the second one, I think, being completely honest, I
probably would have called. But the first one, there's no
way in the world that's past interference.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
I agree with you on that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
So one more for me, and I think Gene's got
another question for you. So we used to say that
they keep throwing at Riley Moss because Patzertan is on
the field and nobody wants to challenge pats er Tan.
But yesterday Patzertan wasn't on the field and they kept
throwing at Riley Moss. And I wonder if you know
the other teams, are you know, seeing the same tape

(01:07:37):
that you're saying, or that you're saying. The officials are
getting in their list and they're going after him either
because they think he's vulnerable. They could a truly throw
against him, or he's gonna commit these.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Penalties, or maybe he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Commit the penalties actually more than anybody else, but the
rest are going to call it more on him than
anybody else. So what can and must Riley Moss do
to be civiliability to the team from time to time?

Speaker 12 (01:08:03):
That God, that's a multifaceted question. There's like that was
like a multiple choice question for me ABC.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
And I can't remember what A and B were one
just think anything, I.

Speaker 12 (01:08:15):
Would say this. I think you know the second pass
interference call. I mean, that's that's a bailout call. That's
Patrick Mahomes realizing it's third and nineteen getting out of
the pockets and seeing a receiver run down the sideline.
I don't imagine at that point he's absolutely certain that
number twenty one is the is the defensive back. But

(01:08:37):
in the league today, you're gonna see three or four
times a game where quarterbacks are just going to chuck
the ball up on a deep route and hope that
their guy makes an adjustment like we saw, like we
saw Franklin make on the last drive, an adjustment on

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a corner route or on a go route where the
ball is underthrown and the chances are you're going to
get some sort of pass interference call. So I don't
like it. I don't like that part of the game,
but I think it's a smart play by offensive guys
to try to chuck it up and then hope that
you get a little little action with the hands.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Even wrapping up with you. I don't want to put
the cart in front of the horse, but I am
going to put the cart in front of the horse.
I think you even mentioned it on the broadcast yesterday.
What are the main things that we need to see
for the Broncos to really like secure a home field
advantage if we're already looking at playoffs.

Speaker 12 (01:09:33):
Yeah, I think honestly, I'm not sure that you know
the Broncos coaching staff will feel this way, at least
not publicly, but I think it's fine to start thinking about, Hey,
this is the season's got a little magic to it.

Speaker 11 (01:09:44):
Right.

Speaker 12 (01:09:44):
They're nine and two. They would at the season into
right now the number one seed in the AFC. The
Patriots are nine and two as well. But I think
it's okay to sort of set your sights on not
only winning the West, but having the best record in
the AFC. Therefore, everything has to come through Denver, and
that's an important that's an important part. One of the
biggest reasons I think the Broncos have been able to

(01:10:07):
have this kind of season is that they have reclaimed
their home field magic. When this team has been great
in the past, they have been a dominant team at home,
and this club in twenty five has not lost a
game at home. So yeah, I think I think not
only setting your sights one in the AFC West, but

(01:10:28):
it's okay to think about what do we have to
do to have the best overall record in the AFC
when the regular season's done.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Boys, the Broncos, it's Dave Logan. Dave, appreciate your time
as always. Hopefully you get a little bit of time
off this weekend, but I know you're a busy guy,
so I don't know if you have even more that
you have to deal with next weekend, but we appreciate you.

Speaker 12 (01:10:45):
Appreciate you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Thanks, all right, take quick break, we'll be right back
with Well, we got some words and then Gina's going
to tell us what's going on in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
So the news is Gina, who's sitting here in her
Kansas City Chiefs sweat you can.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
It is orange? Right, Okay, this is a red mousepad.
Look at that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Yeah they match. Oh no, no, they're kind of different. Yeah,
when you put it like that, they're kind of different.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
But then again, if I go right next to your
Bronco orange shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Yeah that's when it was, that'll be different too, right, Dragon,
you're ready, Here we go one, two, Yes, you make it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
I made it.

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let me just take a few minutes on some news
that happened over the past couple of days.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
There's some very very interesting stuff evolving.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Things that Donald Trump is saying and things that other
people are saying. And I found it very interesting that
Marjorie Taylor Green, who is no Schritz, she's a member
of Congress from northern Georgia, and she is for she
is famous for being more Bobert than Bobert, especially in
the past couple of years, like just saying not just

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outrageous things, but aggressive, angry, mean things. And in a
CNN interview yesterday, she said that she has something in
her heart. And I'm not gonna play this audio for you,
but I'm gonna play a different one, but she said
that she has something in her heart and that she
wants to get away from that terrible language. And part

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of the reason she wants to get away from the
terrible language is that she has come to recognize how
harmful it can be. So Dana Bash, who was in
interviewing her on CNN, followed up with a question that
I think is very relevant. So here's Dana Bash's question.
In Marjorie Taylor Green's answer, we have seen.

Speaker 13 (01:13:10):
These kinds of attacks or criticism from the President at
other people. It's not new, and with respect, I haven't
heard you speak out about it until it was directed
at you, Dana.

Speaker 6 (01:13:23):
I think that's fair criticism, and I would like to
say humbly, I'm sorry for taking part in the toxic politics.
It's very bad for our country, and it's been something
I've thought about a lot, especially since Charlie Kirk was assassinated,
is that we I'm only responsible for myself and my

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own words and actions, and I am going, I am committed,
and I've been working on this a lot lately to
put down the knives and politics. I really just want
to see people be kind to one another, and we
need to figure out a new path forward that is
focused on the American people because as Americans, no matter

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what side of the aisle we're on, we have far
more in common than we have differences, and we need
to be able to respect each other with our disagreements.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
So I kind of sort of believe her, kind of
sort of right. Trump's definitely not playing along. I believe
Trump called her a trader again after that interview, So
Trump's not on board.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
And I don't know with.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Marjorie Taylor green kenne Leppard really changed its spots maybe
for a little while.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
I don't know. We'll see how much this is really
in her heart.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
I note that after she did this interview, she posted
a thing on x formerly Twitter basically wondering aloud why
Donald Trump doesn't seem to want the FCN file stuff
to come out, and then she implied that it's because
of it's because of donations from so basically she's blaming

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the Jews. And she came out and said like, oh,
I wonder if Jeffrey Epstein was a secret massage agent
and Donald Trump and whoever these other people are who
don't want this stuff to come out. Maybe they're just
getting too many donations from the Jews. She didn't word
it like that. She called it APAC instead of the Jews.
But we you know, APAK is the largest lobbying organization

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that tries to get the US government to you know,
cooperate and give money to Israel and all that sort
of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
So I don't know how far it will it will go.
You know, she is who she is.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
I think there are some real antisemitic parts of her,
you know, with the Jewish space lasers, you remember all that,
So that wasn't great. The other thing that I wanted
to just mention quickly because you know, with Trump continuing
to call her a trader, and Trump is kind of
lashing out of it here or there. It kind of
feels like he's under some stress and not really sure
what to do.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Here's the thing that Trump said that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Got a surprising amount of pushback for people who normally
support anything and everything that Trump says. So Congressman Thomas Massey,
who is definitely a gad fly against Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
From time to time, he votes against.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Every kind of foreign aid, even the stuff that Trump supports,
which is only some of it. But he's also been
the lead instigator among Republicans to release the Epstein files.
Thomas Massey's wife died about a year ago, and Massey
just recently got married again to a younger woman who

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was actually a house staffer. And in any case, here's
what President Trump posted on x or on his social
media platform.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
I guess this was Friday night. Did Thomas Massey.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Sometimes referred to as rand Paul Junior because of the
fact that he always votes against the Republican.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Party get married already? Boy?

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
That was quick, No wonder the polls have him at
less than eight percent chance of winning the election anyway.
Have a great life, Thomas, and question mark, meaning he
doesn't know his wife's name. His wife will soon find
out that she's stuck with a loser. So that is
what's the technical word for that comment.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Scummy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
That was a scummy low comment, even for Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
And it is a weird.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Comment because it got a lot of pushback even from
Trump's supporters, and you would think it's exactly the kind
of thing that could help Thomas Massey win his primary.
I think President Trump needs to get his emotions under
control a little bit. That's not necessarily his strong suit.
But that was not a good move. Now, speaking of

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national anthems from yesterday's Broncos game, Gina kind of I
don't want to say stumbled, because you made it happen,
but you found a fascinating, really fun little interview that
I want to, you know, give you a chance to
talk about and maybe play.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Some of it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Was it was actually a stumbull ross because I was
at the Chili Booze and Bruce Festival for the Morgan
Adams Foundation over the weekend and there was a band
playing at it. Awesome event, awesome fundraiser, very much enjoyed that,
but there was a band playing at it, and I
just pieced it together where I looked at her and
I heard her and I said, I think I remember
seeing that name. It said Hazel Miller and the Collective.
I said, I think I remember seeing literally Susie Wargen

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post about it, giving the rundown of what's going to
be at the Salute to Service game for the Broncos
and the chiefs at in power field. And sure enough,
Hazel Miller was the national anthem singer. So I pulled
her aside and had a little conversation with her. She
was as sweet as can be. Here's the conversation we had.

Speaker 6 (01:18:32):
My name is Hazel Miller, and we are Hazel Miller
and the Collective and we love Kioway.

Speaker 17 (01:18:39):
Hazel, what are you going to be doing on Sunday
at a powerfield?

Speaker 13 (01:18:42):
In my life, I'm going to be singing the national
anthem for the Broncos.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Go Jam Go.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Have you ever done it before?

Speaker 8 (01:18:49):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Yeah, I did it for over twenty years.

Speaker 16 (01:18:52):
I just retired yet last year and they called me
last week.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Who knew?

Speaker 17 (01:18:59):
So not really don't retirement, You're still you're still brinded good.
What is it like for people who have maybe never
been on the field, never been in such a big
an environment. Never done something that's so uh intimidating at times?

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
What does it feel like, bro, It's not intimidating his home.

Speaker 7 (01:19:15):
Bronco fans are the friendliest, nicest, most welcoming people anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
You will have a ball.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Broncos, Go Broncols. We need a championship. Yeah, she was
so cute.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
She sounds awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Colorado Music Hall of Famer. I'm really glad she didn't
slap me on the side of the face.

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
When I said have you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
She was like, girl, yes, I have multiple times.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
What a fabulous find. Yeah, you know, absolutely absolutely great.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
And Gina got to go to the game and she's
celebrating the loss with her Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
I'm gonna have to post a video now of me
and this sweater and maybe holding up this red mouse path.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
You with my orange shirt, and then people can decide
is that more red or more orange?

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
I think maybe on a normal Broncos game, you wouldn't
have even thought twice because it was the Chiefs. You're
now questioning if it's red.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Well, you did wear your Travis Kelce jersey under your.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
War a Taylor Swift shirt. Aren't those oh yeah at
this point, yeah kind.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Of now, Gina has a died in the wool Broncos
fan at this point, so no confusion about that. Have
a wonderful, wonderful rest of your Monday. Gina will be
back tomorrow morning at five for Colorado Morning News and then.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Six to nine with Me with.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Rotten Ross on the News with Gina and producer Dragon
is always still coming off his own high of Trans
Siberian Orchestra this weekend. Have a great rest of your Monday.