11-21-25 - *FULL SHOW* Denver Mayor; Chad Daniels; CO Cold Case; Kids and AI

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Friday. I think I'm Ross.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hi Gina, Hi, Hi Dragon, producer, Dragon, Good to see you.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
We had a lot to do today.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Gina had a lot of interesting stuff in the news
as well. But I'll just remind you, you know, if
you want to catch up.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
On you know, mainline news.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
You need a ton of news, but you wake up,
you know, a little too late to catch Colorado's Morning
News with Gina from five to six. Just go to
Kwacolorado dot com and grab that podcast and you can
get a ton of news in one podcast. But here
on this show, we're also going to keep bringing you
news headlines and we're going to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I do want to just.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Follow up on something that Gina mentioned a moment ago
regarding the stock market looking up this morning, but after
a very interesting and rather ugly day yesterday.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Where when we left when when this show was.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Over at nine o'clock yesterday morning, the stock market was
up pretty big, and you know, by lunchtime it was down.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Big and stayed down big for the rest of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
And it was one of the biggest selloffs in terms
of the market being higher in the morning and ending
down in the afternoon. One of the biggest we've seen
in a while, something like three and a quarter percent from.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Top to bottom. And you know, it was interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Usually when you see a move like that, you'll have
a bunch of people out there on the various financial
websites telling you why it happened, And there really wasn't that,
And it's hard.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
To put a finger on it. But I think what
happened is.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
People got a little bit excited about Nvidia's earnings and
thinking maybe the AI trade is actually fine. And then
I think a couple of things happened. I think they realized, okay,
it's one earnings report, but still maybe too much money there.
I also meaning too much money having gone into AI
stocks and related infrastructure too fast, and so there's still

(01:54):
a ton of profit sitting out there people who bought
bought into this stuff early.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
That was one thing.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Also big weakness and cryptocurrency, which and I'll mention this
as a tangent here today this morning, a bitcoin is
down quite a lot, whereas stock futures are up. So
this is a sort of unusual divergence between the two
in any case, As I've been saying for days now,
with the government shutdown, now behind us.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
The market is really.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Focusing on the economy, what's coming next, and what they're
telling you with these very volatile moves up, huge, down, huge,
back and forth.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Is they just don't know. And you know what, neither
do I.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Neither do I If I.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Knew, I'd be very, very rich.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
But in any case, market's a lot of fun to
watch and we're going to keep an eye on it
for you. That Money and Market commentary brought to you
by Blue Heron Capital. Okay, I want to touch on
another thing that Gina talked about a lot in the
news and a lot of people have been talking about
over the past I don't know, eighteen hours or so,
and that is President Trump's reaction to the ridiculous video

(03:03):
put out by Jason Crowe and several other Democrats in Congress.
It was a very ill considered video when I talked
about it yesterday, in that you have all these people
coming out and there's video snippets that they compiled together.
So it's one damn after another, you know, giving a
few words, you know how they do that? And these

(03:24):
are all people who served in the military or intelligence
and they're trying to they claim they're trying to remind
members of the military that they don't have to obey
illegal orders. So, first of all, members of the military
know that already. And if you caught Jason Crow's conversation
with Martha McCallum on Fox News, he was really rather
insipid about it all. The one thing that I can

(03:47):
think of right now where there's a strong argument to
be made that maybe that order is illegal is blowing
up the drug boats. Now I'm not saying I have
sympathy for the drug dealers. I'm just purely talking about
what's the law that might be illegal. There's also potentially
some question about Trump's use of National Guard in some circumstances.

(04:09):
A judge ruled yesterday actually that the Trump administration broke
the law when they moved the National Guard into Washington,
d C.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
To deal with crime.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
The judge put her own ruling put to stay on
her own ruling so that the Trump administration can appeal it,
and I'm sure they will. In any case, these Democrats
seem to be sending two messages. You always have to
ask yourself who's the audience when there's a political message. Right,
A lot of times it's a so called audience of
one somebody saying, you know, some Republican politicians saying something,

(04:42):
and the only person he or she cares is hearing
it as President Trump, and the rest is just a
cover story. But in any case, it's who are the
audiences for that. Maybe the members of the military. Maybe
I don't know that they were really talking today. Are
they really trying to tell, you know, young soldiers and

(05:03):
airmen and marines that there's probably illegal orders all around
you and you better just you know, start disobeying, which
kind of seemed to be their tone. Or is the
message directed at the American voting public trying to tell people, oh,
Trump is making lots of ill you know, issuing lots
of illegal orders, and the military should be disobeying them.

(05:24):
That's what I think they were trying to say. All
of it was very inappropriate, right, very inappropriate, and Jason
Crow's explanation on Martha McCallum with Martha McCallum on Fox
News made it clear that it was just utter political nonsense,
motivated by nothing legitimate.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
As far as I can tell, it was kind of disgusting.
And then President Trump.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
President Trump has this incredible talent for taking an obvious
political victory and turning it into a loss, I don't he.
The guy has been so good at politics, and it
seems like to me it seems like he's he's losing
his edge a little bit.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Maybe the pressure is on him.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Maybe he sees his poll numbers steadily going down. Maybe
whatever it is, I don't know, President Trump seems like
he's losing his edge a little bit. And I know
the base, you know, the MAGA base won't agree with that.
They will never agree with that. But for for Trump
to respond to that democratic video by saying, first he said,

(06:27):
it's seditious behavior and then lock them up question mark
as if you could, right, And that's, you know, that's
dumb of Trump. But then I guess he decided that
that wasn't aggressive enough, and some minutes later, maybe an
hour later, he put out another post on social media
saying punishable by death. Now, of course it's not. But

(06:50):
that's not even the point. It's not even the point
that it's not. Well, it's a little bit of the point,
it's not, but it's, uh, why would you do that?

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Who?

Speaker 2 (06:59):
And again about this question, who's your audience?

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Who is your audience? For President Trump?

Speaker 2 (07:04):
When he comes out and says punishable by death. How
many suburban soccer moms who were furious with Joe Biden
about the cost of living and about the lack of
safety that so many people felt during the George Floyd
riots and all that, you know, crime, open border. All

(07:26):
these people who are kind of in the great center
of America, not very political, and voted for Donald Trump
because they hated what the Democrats are doing. How do
you think these folks are going to react in coming
elections when President Trump is talking and we know he's
not actually you know, going to try to order it

(07:49):
or something, but even just making these noises like should
we execute politicians for making.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
A dumb video?

Speaker 2 (07:57):
And Trump, you know, the administration, are you going too far?
Certainly in public perception with how he's handling the deportation
of illegal aliens, it's sure seems like he's you know,
not just getting rid of the criminals, which is what
he promised, and thing after thing after thing where President
Trump seems to be appealing entirely to his base and

(08:20):
more than willing to risk offending the middle of the
country who maybe are not very political and get most
of their news just you know their TV news, at
least what they see, you know, on NBC or ABC
something like that, And I just think he's making.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
A big mistake out it, because.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
I believe that Trump is living in a world in
his head where his base is enough to win elections
for his people. He's not running again. He's not running again,
but his people are. And if he wants to keep
the majority in the House of Representatives, he needs moderates
to turn up, and he's behaving like he does, and

(09:00):
I think that's an interesting and dangerous thing.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
I'm Ross Gina in studio with.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Me producer Dragon behind the Glass, and saw a story
recently that caught my attention. Denver Post has it, Greeley
Tribune has it. Detectives hope, classmates and friends can help
solve Weld County's oldest cold case death and joining us
talk about it is Weld County Deputy Byron Castellon, and

(09:30):
first of all, Byron, Welcome, Happy Friday. Thanks for joining
us here on KOA.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Barnie Ross, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Tell us a little about this case, How cold is
it and why are you bringing specific attention to this
case now?

Speaker 4 (09:49):
It's our oldest cold case with the Weld County Sheriff's Office.
Back on November nineteenth, nineteen seventy three, so fifty two
years ago, hunters found remains of a body on the
banks of the Saint Brain River, which was just north
of Highway sixty six, about four miles west of Platteville, Colorado.

(10:12):
So there wasn't really any information at the scene. There
was no evidence other than her body, and there were
her clothes. She was wearing a red sweater and brown pants,
but no, she didn't match up with any missing person
that we had at the time, So there really wasn't
much information to go on, and so the case file,

(10:36):
you know, stays active until it's salt. In twenty twenty,
I became a cold case detective with the Sheriff's office
and started looking at the case. And around that same time,
genetic genealogy started, you know, became a thing that we

(10:56):
could use. So using that, we were able to identify
her as Roxane led better from Wheredondo Beach area of
California near Los Angeles. And yeah, so we're wanting to
get information out there to the public to see who
might might have known her and know anything about her.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
So I'm curious what caused the resurrection of this case.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Now.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Was it that technology that said we may have a
better opportunity of being able to solve this cold case?

Speaker 5 (11:28):
For sure?

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Without genetic genealogy, I don't know what I would have
done with the case. It would have just remained a
Jane Doe. But with that technology, we are able to
find her cousins out in Vermont and get an identification
on her. Unfortunately, her mother and father and her brother
are all deceased, so we weren't able to get, you know,

(11:50):
specific information about her. The cousins thought that she was
reported either as a runaway or a missing person, one
of those. But I reached out to all the law
enforcement agencies in the Los Angeles area and they didn't
have any record of her.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
So let's see two quick questions, sort of nerdy questions
for you here. Where did the usable DNA come from?
Is one question? And then the other question is are
you is basically what you're talking about here, like submitting
DNA to something like twenty three in me or ancestry
dot com or this kind of thing that then says,

(12:26):
all right, based on your genes, we believe such and
such a person is your cousin.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yeah, so the DNA came from her molers. So when
we exhumed the body, that's that's what we had to
do in order to get her DNA. And twenty three
in me and Ancestry aren't companies that provide public, you know,
law enforcement access, but jedmatch and family Tree DNA do

(12:56):
and they let their customers know. A lot of the
customers put their DNA in that system for this particular reason.
So their database is used to you know, compare with
unknown human remains DNA to develop genetic genealogy.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
So last question for your deputy, So what do you
want the public to know? And maybe more importantly, what
do you want the public to let you know?

Speaker 4 (13:33):
So, Yeah, like I said, her, there's not much family
left for her, just the cousins. And I've reached out
to her high school that she went to to try
to get information.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
They've been pretty helpful. I've talked to a lot of
people that went to school with her.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Unfortunately they didn't get they didn't have, you know, too deep.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Of information about her.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
So that's what I'd like to appeal is just any
information that we can get somebody who knew. Maybe somebody
knows why he was in Colorado, because that's why you know,
we don't know how she ended up in Colorado when
she was raised in the Los Angeles area. She was
fifteen years old, that tough of young topete while on
her own in Colorado.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
So yeah, information, right, And how can folks get in
touch with you if they have any any knowledge about
how Roxane Ledbetter got to Colorado fifty two years ago.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Certainly my phone number is ninety seven zero four zero
zero two eight six seven, and then my email is
be cast On at Weld or sorry Weld dot gov
and that's b k A s t I l a

(14:45):
h N at Weld dot gov.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
I know the odds are not very high that someone
listening right now has this information, but if you know
anything about how this girl would have gotten and how
and why she would have gotten to Colorado fifty two
years ago, get in touch with with Byron castle On
and if you forget any of his contact information, you
can get in touch with me and I'll put you
in touch with him. Deputy castle On, thanks so much
for your time.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Interesting story, and.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
I wish you lots of luck. Keep us posted if
you make some progress. Well do, thank you very much,
all right, thank you?

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Wow? All right? Can you imagine trying to solve a
fifty two year old murder? Wow? And why was she here? Anyway?
That story caught my attention.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Not exactly sure why, but just there's something very well,
you know, through crime right about it all. We still
have a ton of stuff to do on today's show.
We've got fantastic guests coming up as well on the show,
including the mayor in a little over half an hour.
One of the things I want to talk about, maybe
I'll do it next, is members of Congress trading stocks.

(15:46):
This is something very much in the news right now,
very much also in the minds of members of Congress,
many of whom think we shouldn't be doing this anymore.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
But some of whom think, mind your own business.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Welcome to Ross Kminski on the News with Gina Gandeck.
Gina is right there, and I'm gonna say hello. Even
though you're not drinking water, should I try to make
sure you're always drinking when I say hi? Producer dragging
behind the glass without a Broncos hoodie because they are
not playing this weekend. Just one one quick follow up
on your traction law thing. You just got a new car.

(16:23):
Did you get a four wheel drive?

Speaker 1 (16:25):
I sure did. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
How many years did you live in Colorado with a
two wheel drive car? About two and a half years. Now,
here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
The car that I did buy, I bought in Florida,
And at the time, this car was never planning to
go to Colorado by any means, because I was like,
why do I need an all wheel drive car? Well,
in Florida, it's gonna be fine. I got a smaller
vehicle than I I usually have in Michigan or what
I would have here, And yes, I would have definitely
been at fault taking my little Volkswagen Jetta to the

(16:54):
mountains without chains or the proper tread on tires.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Did you, I mean, you're a pretty active, like outdoorsy
girl and stuff.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Did you drive that to the mountains? And it went
definitely a couple.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Times where we had to turn around. We were like,
it's not safe anymore. My car is trying so hard
to get through these snowy streets.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
But for the most part, yeah, we did.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
And I think it's because I don't want to say
because we know how to drive in it. But growing
up in the Midwest, I felt like we did. But
there's definitely it's definitely better just to make sure all
there's just all four reel drive cars in the mountains, period, regardless.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Of your driving capabilities. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
All right, folks, I want to I want to talk
a little about stock trading by members of Congress.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
You know, there are things these days.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
There are very few things that unite people across the
political spectrum, right, people on the relatively far left, people
on the relatively far right, eighty plus percent agreement among
Republicans and Democrats.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
There aren't too many of those things.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
But one of those things is people really don't like
members of Congress trading stocks. And you hear people, you know,
getting rich, Nancy Pelosi famously. I mean, I think the
money in the family is actually her husband, and he's
the one who trades stocks. But that doesn't mean she
doesn't whisper in his ear. Hey, we're talking about such
and such a thing, and it just really angers voters,

(18:20):
And I get it. I mean, these guys and gals,
they they know things that you and I probably think
of as non public information. Now, I don't want to
go too crazy with this because remember there's a key point.
By the time members of Congress vote on something, normally,

(18:40):
it's either known or can be known what's in the
bill and what the bill is about. Now that's not
always true, though, and it's probably not as true as
it needs to be for them to have a good defense,
because sometimes I'll get here, I'll give you a good example.
And this didn't have to do with something you could
have traded stocks on, but just an example of how
you might know. So you recall, the bill to reopen

(19:04):
the government was in the Senate, they did their thing,
it went to the House, and then in the House
they said, what's this? What's this provision? We didn't know
about this. It's a provision that would let senators who
had their phone records snooped through by the FBI sue
the American government for half a million dollars. And members

(19:26):
of Congress are like members of the House, how did
this get in there?

Speaker 6 (19:30):
Right?

Speaker 2 (19:30):
So there can be these little things that you won't
know about. Maybe a member of Congress will know about,
especially when they're passing these thousand page bills these days. Right,
the bill to reopened the government wasn't that big, but
a lot of these these spending bills and so on.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Who knows what kind of mischief can go on.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
And there's a push now, just in time because Nancy
Pelosi is retiring.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Here's from Thehill dot com.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
The bipartisan push for a congressional stock trading ban is
gaining steam, but lawmakers have yet to settle on the
details of a proposal. They held a hearing on this
just a couple of days ago, putting an issue that
has been percolating. That's a good word on Capitol Hill
for months, back in the spotlight following the government shutdown.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
And they are so.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
There is already a law that was passed in twenty
twelve called the Stock Act, and it's an acronym that
stands for Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
So clever how they make these acronyms.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
The Stock Act, And it prohibits, according to the Hill,
members of Congress and federal employees from using non public
information for private profit. But it doesn't actually prevent by law,
members of Congress from trading, but it just requires that

(20:52):
they report after they trade. And then many this is
a quote from an expert here, many members report after
the mandated time periods with little or no repercussions. Thus far,
the American people are left with almost no recourse. Let
me go to another story on this though. This is

(21:13):
NBC News Representative Rob Bresnahan, who is a Republican from Pennsylvania,
sold stock in several Medicaid providers before voting for cuts
to Medicaid. Now, there are a couple of things in
the story that make it not quite as bad as
the headline. But he, according to NBC, became one of

(21:36):
the most prolific stock traders in Congress after he took
office this year, sold up to one hundred and thirty
thousand dollars worth of shares in various health companies, and
then he went on to vote on cutting Medicaid. Now, again,
there are there are other aspects to this where he
claims that he's not making the trades himself.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
He claims he's got some advisors.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
And this is the tricky thing about it, because everyone
knew that that vote to cut Medicaid spending was coming.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
That was very, very public.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
So I don't think you can call that non public information.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
But still think.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
About that from the perspective of a voter, right that
you sell these stocks, and then you vote in a
way that would hurt those stocks. Now, everyone knew he
was going to vote that way. He's a Republican. You
knew he was going to vote that way. No other
Republicans who weren't trading stocks.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Voted that way.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
So it's not really the smoking gun, but it still stinks.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
It still absolutely stinks.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
And I will note that this guy also did introduce
legislation himself to ban congressional stock trading.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
So it's a very murky situation.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
But in the mind of the public, it's not murky
at all, and the public deeply believes and I'm with them.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
I'm with them.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Members of Congress should not be buying and selling individual stocks.
If they're going to own stocks, it should all be
through ETFs and funds that aggregate things. So you cannot
make money by passing bills or refusing to pass bills
that have impact on a small set of specific companies.

(23:21):
I have a feeling that something will pass. I do
think it's actually kind of remarkable that nothing more has
been done so far with the bipartisan nature.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
On this issue.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
A little overcast out there, a little cool, it feels
like autumn today. This is Ross on the news with
Gina Hi Gena twice today.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
I'm saying, Hi, way, are you drinking anything, I know
losing right now?

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Are you going to attempt to go skiing soon or
have you in your own research?

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Do you think there's not enough snow?

Speaker 3 (23:49):
You know, I'm kind of bummed because I like to
get at least one day in in November, because it's
always great to say that. Yeah, but it's not look
an ideal. There's a couple more resorts, I think powder
Horns one of them that's trying to open this weekend.
But it's just it's a lot of just man made
snow right now, and hopefully from what we saw today
the rain in our area that might have had some

(24:10):
little bit of snow in the high country, but not
ideal right now, I.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Got a listener text I want to share with you Ross.
What you need to know is that Gina is a
Michigan girl. Michiganders of whom I am a member of
that group not only can drive in snow, but we
can do it in a two wheel drive, rear wheel
drive car while eating and reading a folded map that

(24:35):
is from Tom and Loveland.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
That's awesome. That's about right. That's about right.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Maybe when I started driving, the folded map was probably
already gone. But yes, everything else is accurate, isn't that weird?

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Kids these days will never see a paper map. I
remember now.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
I remember my parents having me print out the map
quest instructions.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
That's about us, right, that's the interim period right from
full on like Triple A trip tich maps if you're
old enough to remember, I remember my dad talking about them.
He'd go to he'd go to Triple A and he said, right,
we're gonna go from Washington.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
D C.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
To I don't know, Miami, and and then they would
print out this kind of booklet where you would flip
the like the one page would be DC to you know, Richmond,
and then when you get to Richmond, you flip to
the next page and it's got Richmond to whatever is
just in Yeah, you know, like almost like.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
A little book with a little spiral bind. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
And then and then this whole internet thing came along,
and then you had maps online, but you printed them
before smartphones and now kids these days.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
And between that, you started having the plug in one
in your comment the garment, and.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Then there was another one I forget the name of
the other brand, Tom Tom Tom Tom. There you go,
Tom Tom go right, Tom Tom go.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Oh my gosh, yeah, thank thanks for the memories on that.
Let me let me do literally one minute on this story.
It's kind of a it's in a way, it's a
big story, but I just want to use it as
a lesson for something. So and I think Gina was
talking about this yesterday, so I'm a day late. But
the huge boat called the Doli that hit the Francis

(26:16):
Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore. They think they figured out
what happened there, and this it's actually kind of infuriating
given the damage. And I don't know if I don't
recall if anybody died, but yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Construction because there were construction.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Workers on the bridge and they died, like six guys
died first, right, So I don't know if anybody on
the boat died, but at least six people on the
bridge died, and obviously all the turmoil there, and so
they tried to figure out what happened.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Here's here's what I have.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
This is from the Washington Examiner. The tragedy was preceded
by electrical problems that caused four separate blackouts on the ship,
Two about ten hours before they left Baltimore. Two occurred
minutes before they struck the bridge.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Now listen to this.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
The loss of electrical power was caused by a loose
signal wire that stemmed from the improper installation of wire
label banding.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
The label.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
So somebody, this is how I'm reading it. Somebody put
a label on a wire so that you would know
what the wire is, but they put it too close
to the end of the wire, so that then when
they're trying to stick the wire into the terminal block,
the label partially blocked the electrical connection or prevented the
wire from going quite as far into the terminal block

(27:42):
as it needed to, and that caused a low voltage
blackout in their low voltage electrical systems, which then caused
the ship to lose the ability to power itself and
to steer. And look, there's a lot to say about this,
but I'm going to make a little less sense out
of it.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
And this is not sarcastic at all.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Do the little things right, because you never know when
a little thing is going to turn in to the
biggest thing.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
You know, there's always.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Stuff going on, uh, dragon, probably that first number is
the one we're supposed to call, even though it's uh,
even though it doesn't seem to be working. So keep
keep trying and we'll just well, we'll keep going uh. Well,
we'll do our we'll do our best to get the mayor.
This you know, this happens when he's a busy dude.
But he should be on time for us. I think Gina.

(28:29):
I think Gina and I both have questions for him
about stadiums, by the way, which is an interesting is
crazy that.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
We're talking to stadiums Denver and debates on both of them.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, isn't it crazy that two fridays in a row
he's supposed to be on with us, and then you
and I have to fill time like waiting for him
to actually call in. Come on, Mike, I gave you,
In fact, I gave him on the air. I said,
we're giving you a mulligan this time, but now you
need to be on time.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
And and he's he's not one of the ones we're
really hoping to talk to him about.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Obviously for Broncos fans, is the new Broncos Stadium at
Burnham Yard because they had an open house that took
place this week, and they have a couple more that
are planned, so if you weren't able to attend, they're
going to have more. But neighbors in the area really
just talking about concerns, you know, the general concerns you're
gonna have about a brand new giant stadium coming to
your neighborhood, the traffic issues. It was funny there were

(29:23):
somebody at the open house that was like, I'm worried
what happens if the Broncos lose? Are they going to
come vandalize my area?

Speaker 1 (29:28):
And I'm like, I mean, it's not like Philadelphia, Come on, Philadelphia.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
I'm just like the overall concerns if you've never lived
next to personally, for me, I think it would be awesome.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
I would love to be living right walking. I think
of this a lot of times. So if I if
I go.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
To a game, usually where I park, I end up
having to go north to get out on the street
that the police make two lanes north so everybody can
get out, But normally on a normal day it's one
lane in each direction. Right, So when I'm I'm driving
north and I'm in the left lane and I'm driving
in a lane that's normally going the other direction, and

(30:04):
all the cars parked on the side of the street
are facing towards me because normally that road is going
the other way, and that means, you know, for for
those hours, anybody who lives in that place cannot get
out with their with their car.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
They're just they're just stuck.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
And uh, I you know, I don't think that's the
biggest thing, but I do wonder about that a little bit.
So anyway, I I think that, uh, that the this,
the fact that we're talking about two new big stadiums
in Denver really does say a lot about Denver.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
And actually, you know what, let me let me take
a minute here.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I was going to do this at a different point,
but I'm gonna mention this here. And and Gina had
talked about it yesterday. There's been a bunch of real
estate information about Colorado and about and about Denver more generally,
and with with declining real estate values. Now I want
to I want to make something really really clear as

(30:59):
I as I. Oh, we have him, all right, So
how are we gonna do this? Because let's uh, let's
get the mayor. Mayor Mike Johnson of Denver is well
aware that last week I gently chastised him on the
air for being late, and yet, Mike, here we are again.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Do we need to set an alarm for you.

Speaker 6 (31:16):
I've been sitting here waiting for you to call you
maybe every week, and suddenly y'all didn't call me.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Maybe we have Maybe we need to just verify the
number because bet Dragon's been Dragon's been trying for a while. Anyway,
welcome back. It's good to have you. And Gena and
I were talking about how it's interesting that two of
the biggest conversations in Denver right now are about about stadiums.
So I'm gonna ask you about one, and Gina's gonna.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Ask about another.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
But what did you Well, I know what you make
what you made of it, because you said something in
public about this.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I don't know if it's a bluff.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Regarding the women's professional soccer team that maybe they would
go look for a stadium somewhere else.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
Yeah, I mean, we take it very seriously. We are
deeply committed and making sure this stadium stays in Denver.
You know, it's going to be an incredibly economic victory
for the city and a great cultural one. You know,
it was one of the fastest ticket sellouts of any
new franchise in the country for women's sports, and so
we know there's huge Denver fan base, so we very
much wanted to stay. We know there were some delays

(32:18):
and the city council process. City council had questions they
were answering. We're going to make sure that council gets
those questions and we get this stadium built because we
are not going to let it leave Denver.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Are they are they bluffing or they just kind of
trying to leverage the city and city council to move
faster or give them something or whatever.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Do you think actually mean it?

Speaker 6 (32:36):
Well, I think thinking that they have a timeline they
have to meet. We got to get this stadium built
and open by twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, it's very fast, only two years away.

Speaker 6 (32:44):
Yeah, So I think made piments to the league that
we understand, we've made them in to the league too,
that we'll be ready. And so we think any you know,
we know, any responsible business has got to do that
and has to.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Have a plan B.

Speaker 6 (32:56):
But we're very intent on making sure they don't get
to a plan B. And we we you know, I've
been a hugeality from the beginning. We help recruit the
end of yourself to come to Denver.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
We wanted to make sure they.

Speaker 6 (33:04):
Stayed in Denver. So we are really committed to making
sure that works. And I'm in regular contact with the
city council president to make sure they get all the
questions answered they need so they can support it and
get it rolling.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Mister mayor, obviously the other stadium, then we will figure
it out. I apologize.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
The other stadium that we've been covering obviously is the
new Broncos Stadium. And there was an open house that
took place this week to talk a little bit more
with some residents.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
There were some concerns.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
People talked about increased home values, traffic, parking on game days.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Crime. Someone even said, what.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
If they lose they and they cause, you know, a
devastation around my area, crime and other things. If you
had to pick one issue that you think residents are
most valid for most concerned about, that, Yes, that is
something that I understand.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
What would you say that is?

Speaker 6 (33:46):
Oh, I think it is that this is going to
be a major economic windfall for the neighborhood. It's going
to be one hundred acres of new development. It'll be
new businesses, new restaurants, new retail and so I do
think that can have an impact on making this a
more attractive part of the city where more folks want
to live, which means you could have home prices that
go up. And so if you're a resident's been there

(34:08):
for fifty years, like I talked to you, and they
want to stay in the neighborhood, we got to figure
out how we can help make sure that their property
taxes don't go up enough that they have to move.
But we also know that happens in a lot of
neighborhoods when they get very desirable. Some folks choose to
sell and leave because they have a huge upside because
their home value has gone up. Others want to stay.
We want to make sure folks that want to stay
can stay. So I think that's a fair question, and

(34:30):
it happens whenever you see real economic growth. But we
think economic growth is a good thing for a neighborhood
that wants it.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Another story we had the newscast this week was really
a video that gained national attention of a Denver health
inspector pouring bleach into an unlicensed tackle vendor's food.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
The department has defended the action.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
They say that the vendors have multiple food and safety violations.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
They've really been.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Trying to shut them down for a while with several
seasoned desist orders. Just curious of your reaction to this
and how the state the situation was really handled, if
any other kind of protocols or health departments what they
generally do when it comes to a situation like this.

Speaker 6 (35:06):
Yeah, that's never an easy process, but it is part
of our job.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Right.

Speaker 6 (35:10):
You can't open a brick and mortar restaurant and not
have a license and serve food that's unsafe, or have
cockroaches in your kitchen, Like the public who relies on
us to make sure these places are licensed and safe.
We've contacted us and multiple times, actually multiple other counties
have had to contact that's render multiple times, and they've
refused and then defy and won't license, won't guarantee safety,

(35:30):
and they have really unsafe practices. Even in this contact directly,
we had multiple conversations where we asked, you know, for
them to make changes. We told them we had to
confiscate the food. They refuse to let us confiscate it.
They refuse to let us move it, and so in
every one of these situations, they've been really difficult and
in transigent, and so our public health inspectors have to
do their job and that was the only option they

(35:52):
left us. So it's not something we want to do,
but it is our fundamental job to make sure that
food is safe and licensed in the city. And when
you have someone that refused to follow the rules multiple
times from multiple county interventions, we have to hold them accountable.
It's never fund to have to close a business when
it violates a liquor license or a food license, but
that is our job, and this is one of those
tough moments where you got to do your job.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
I do think that thing blew up as a national
story even before it became a big local story, in
part because it got out there without the necessary context.
And I think that when a lot of people learned
about the repeat offender nature of this person and how
he would take food that might have been unsafe to
serve and go try to lock it away from the

(36:34):
health and safety people, I think it makes a lot
more sense now. And I you know, I guess that's
what happens when stories get out without context. We're we're
just about out of time. Mike's I have one last
question for you. If on Thanksgiving, if you could have
a whole plate with nothing but sides and no turkey,
or a plate that included turkey and the other stuff,

(36:57):
which would you do?

Speaker 5 (37:00):
Oh, I'd always take turkey and the sides.

Speaker 6 (37:02):
Once you love sides.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
I'm a big sweet potato castrole guy.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Mm hmm, yeah, I'm not a huge turkey guy. Take
a whole plate of sides. But there are apparently a
lot like you, white meat or dark.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Meat, white meat? Wow? Wow, Okay, that's uh yeah, yeah,
that's a hot take.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
You should have seen producer Dragon shaking his head right there, Mike,
really have a.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah, you should do that. You should absolutely do that.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Have a have a wonderful Thanksgiving, and uh, I guess
we won't talk to you next week, but the week
after we look forward to having you back, and we'll
make sure that the phone rings on time.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
I look forward to it. Great to hear your voices.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Thanks Shell.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
All right, take it easy. That's Mayor Mike Johnston of Denver.
We will what do we got next? Ga, Yeah, we
got just a couple of things then, Gena is going
to give us some more headlines, and we're gonna get
your news and you're gonna get your traffic. Keep it
right here on KA, all right, I'll just talk. Don't
worry about the machine. It's gremlins today, gremlins and the
electronics here at iHeartRadio. I'm Ross Hygiena, Hi, very perky.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
I like it when you say hi.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
And Producer Dragons sitting behind the glass looking a little
bit flustered at the technological gremlins that have been befalling
us today. I need one quick piece of advice from listeners,
and I want you to text me at five six
six nine zero. I need advice on something, and I'm
not going to use specific names necessarily. I have been

(38:37):
with one cell phone company for twenty years and I'm
thinking about changing. And what I want to know is
I want to hear from people who have been with
more than one cell phone company which one you like best?

Speaker 1 (38:53):
All right?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
If you've just been with you know, XYZ for twenty years,
I don't need to hear from you that I love
x y Z, because you probably do, right. But for
people who have ever kind of done the comparison and
switched from one to another. That's who I want to
hear from at five six six nine zero, and tell
me what you think. So let me do one thing

(39:15):
for like forty seconds. We ran a little way late
with the mayor. I want to just get us back
on track here. There was an ap story I just
want to describe to you briefly. Maybe we'll come back
to it, maybe not, but at least you'll know about it.
The Border Patrol has these secret cameras apparently all you know,
in lots of places where they think people might be

(39:38):
driving people who they suspect would be well people they
need to find and get out of the country. They're
using cameras that record vehicle license plates.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
They've got these networks all over the place.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Federal agents can sometimes turn people over for local law enforcement.
But sometimes what will happen is a person will be
driving in such and such a place and they'll get
pulled over, and then they will be told that they
were pulled over for speeding or not having a turn
signal or having an air freshener hanging in the car,
but they actually weren't. They're pulled over for some federal

(40:12):
immigration enforcement thing, and they have no idea that the
reason they're being pulled over is that they drove on
some particular roads, like maybe near the border, maybe back
roads that are causing the Feds to think they are suspicious.
And what is particularly interesting about this story is it's
been going on for quite some time and the Border
Patrol has gone out of its way for many years

(40:35):
to make sure that this never gets into trials.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
About these people.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
They are absolutely doing everything they can to make sure
people don't know about the story or the program, and
I think that is very interesting. I'll get to the
fast cars in a second.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Gina just mentioned the stock.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Market is open now and stocks are up modestly. I
was up two hundred and twenty something points. In Vidia, interestingly,
is down again today. You recall when we started talking
about the stock market yesterday when it opened really strong,
it was because in Video was up about five percent.
It ended up down on the day, and it's down more.

(41:16):
The Nasdaq is up seventy something right now. That's less
than it looked like it was going to be. I
don't have a prediction on the market. I will just
tell you one thing. As a guy who has traded
markets professionally, for many years. Normally, if you have a
fairly significant up opening after several down days and after

(41:37):
in particular a very ugly day the day before, right,
you have a really bad day and then an up opening,
more often than not, that up opening is a good
selling opportunity. Right, Not every time, but more often than not.
If you sell that open, you're gonna make money. Now,
remember my my background is as a professional trader, which

(42:00):
and I don't mean that means I'm good at this.
I mean it means I'm a very short term thinker
when it comes to markets, and I will I will
trade stuff for just minutes at a time, or I did.
I don't trade anymore, but just kind of keep that
in mind. The other thing I want to mention, crypto
is still getting crushed, right. Bitcoin is under eighty five
thousand now, And I was looking at coinbase, which is

(42:23):
this huge crypto related website. By the way, just so
people know, I have no position in cryptocurrency.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
I've only ever dabbled in it just a little bit.
Oh No, I do.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
I own like eighty dollars worth of one cryptocurrency that
I never think about.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
But I just want to be honest about that.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
So anyway interesting to me, not so much just the
price of any one crypto. But over at coinbase, they
have this a graph where you can see the value
of all cryptocurrencies combined and whatever all means to them.
I don't know if it's actually all. But in the
past let's call it three to four weeks, the value

(43:02):
of the entire crypto currency market has gone from just
over three point seven trillion dollars to just over two
point seven trillion dollars, So it's lost more than a
quarter of its value. And I don't have a lot
more to say about that, because frankly.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
I'm not expert on it. It's a very complicated subject.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
But I do think it's fascinating and I think I
think a lot of people are losing a lot of
money very fast. And the question then is, once the
so called weak hands kind of shakeout and they've they've
gotten scared out, and they sell and they panicked and
they're done, what happens from here? Does it continue a
huge up trend? Does bitcoin to go to a million?

(43:47):
I have no idea. I'm not trading it, but it's
very interesting to watch, I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Well, So let me just say that.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
That market and money commentary brought to you by Blue
Heron Capital, and I want to add a little more
of my own commentary. Now that's more about news, other
kinds of news. There was a story in the Financial Times,
which is England's version of the Wall Street Journal basically,
and here's the headline. This came out one of this,
you know, late yesterday, US open to dropping EU food

(44:19):
tariffs to lower domestic prices. Now you may recall that
that we, I mean we, the United States. President Trump
did a trade deal with the EU four months ago
something like that. And the Europeans have long imposed significant

(44:39):
tariffs on American products coming into Europe, and that's very
bad for American producers and it's definitely unfair. That's that
is not an argument for US imposing tariffs, but I
want to acknowledge that Europe has long treated American agricultural
product unfairly.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
And the reason is the same reason.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
That we get into some of these weird policies in
the United States, and that is farmers are very very
powerful politically. I actually remember a conversation I had with
a senator and I'm talking about probably twenty years ago,
and as a Democratic Senator. I won't name him, although
it doesn't matter who it is because it's not a
controversial story. But in any case, I asked this guy,

(45:24):
why do we have these crazy policies for you know,
that benefit farmers at the expense of everybody else. And
he said, he said, there is no better organized lobbying
group in America than farmers. They put together their money,
they hire a good lobbyists, They put a lot of pressure.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
On every member of Congress.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
They know how they're going to vote as a group,
and we have to pay close attention to them, even
though they are fairly small in number, because they are
so well organized.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
And that's really stuck with me.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
In any case, that deal we did in July caused
Europe to lower their tariffs or even remove tariffs on
a lot of American agricultural stuff, while we continued to
impose fifteen percent tariffs on their stuff coming into the US.
And there are things like beef and lemons and wine
and other kinds of things that we bring in from Europe.

(46:20):
And now it looks like because President Trump is under
a lot of pressure as far as the cost of
living and the cost of groceries in particular, it looks
like they may drop some of those tariffs, which would
allow a little more importing of food across that range,
including beef. And I will add, just as a markets guy,
I'm looking at live cattle prices right now and as

(46:43):
they trade as futures, and live cattle is down, I'm
looking let's say, the February future for next year is
down almost two and a half percent, a big move.
As now people start to think, Okay, Rump loves tariffs
and he loves ranchers, and the ranchers want to keep

(47:04):
the tariffs because they don't want the competition, and of
course that's bad for the American consumer, right you protect
the ranchers, and I get it, I love ranchers too,
but that comes at the expense of millions and millions
of American consumers who have to pay higher prices for
beef and other things. And now President Trump is realizing

(47:24):
that politically there's way more risk to him keeping food
prices high than risk to him of annoying the ranchers,
and so it appears that they're moving in that direction,
and that's why the live cattle prices are down so much.
I think it's a really interesting and important economic story
that you're probably not gonna hear in too many other places.

(47:46):
So I thought I would make mention of that to you.
All right, let me do this now at forty seconds.
Since Dragon played Fast Cars two days in a row,
and this kind of sounds like free advertising in a sense,
maybe it is, but for me, it was just fun.
So I was going out to lunch with a friend
who works at at John Elway Cadillac, and right next

(48:07):
to them is Bentley Denver, which is also part of
that John Elway group. So it's right there, and I'm
normally when I've been over there, I've just seen Bentley's
in front of Bentley Denver. This time I saw Ferraris
and Porsches and Lamborghinis and other stuff. Man, that's cool.
And I went in and I talked with the dude
who runs Bentley Denver. I just I just met him,

(48:28):
and he's like, well, you want to drive one? And
I thought, heck, yes, I do. I've never driven a Ferrari.
And so one of their salespeople got in the car
with me, and I got in the driver's seat and
I got to drive a Ferrari. And there is nothing
like the sound of a Ferrari engine. And if you
are interested in any of these crazy luxury sports cars,

(48:51):
you know, pre owned so you get a little better
deal on them, you can get over to Bentley, Denver.
But here's the other thing I want to say real quick.
The car that I drove is three hundred and thirty
thousand dollars. That's used. Okay, that's used. And I gotta
tell you I was not entirely comfortable. And I don't
just mean like, oh, I'm borrowing someone's three hundred and
thirty thousand dollars car. I mean I'm not sure i'd

(49:14):
be comfortable owning a car that expensive and driving it
every day.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
So here's my question for you.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
What's the most expensive car you would feel comfortable driving?
Text Us at five six six nine zero. And let
us know, I keep thinking about this, you know, I was.
I was driving this three hundred and something thousand dollars Ferrari,
and I drove it like two miles. I was kind
of nervous, and at the end I thought I'd probably

(49:43):
obviously I'm extra nervous driving that car when it's not mine,
but I think i'd be nervous driving that car even
if it were mine, just because of the price.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
And I guess.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Everybody's got a number, like what's the how what's the
most expensive car you'd actually be willing to own and
drive more or less every day, Maybe not in the
snow or whatever, but you know, like a more or
less daily driver. What's the most expensive thing you would
you would drive? Five six, six nine zero. I want
to know the number. But maybe also the kind of

(50:18):
car producer dragon Yet No.

Speaker 7 (50:19):
Just for clarification, we're talking about cars that you would
own and drive on a daily basis, not just like
you did just driving around for funzies.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Yeah, right right, not a car you'd borrow, right, I mean, oh,
my gosh. When I when I took my kid to
LA to look at schools, look at colleges in California,
we went to the Bugatti store. If you heard of Bugatti,
it's a very famous old car brand.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
But these days they make this, you know, supercar.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
They had one Bugatti in the showroom and the sticker
on it was like four.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Point two million, my gosh. And I so, first of all.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
I don't think they would let anyone test drive that
unless you could prove you could afford to buy one, right,
I wouldn't. But I don't think i'd even want to
test drive it. I would be two. I would be
too scared. It would be too scared. So before I
go to Gina Dragon, do you have a number.

Speaker 7 (51:07):
I'm pretty cheap, so I'm in the you know, the
fifty to sixty thousand dollars range, that that that's what
I'd be coomfortable driving.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Yeah, I was going to You're going to say too yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
So I test drove the Ford Broncos Sport, which I
really liked. But that was right or I mean it
was just under fifty I think I think it was
actually maybe low forties. But even that, I was like, man,
if this is going to be and we're a single
car household, so I was like, I don't know if
I even feel comfortable just you know, driving this around
when it's a little bit out of my price range.
But we had once in Florida for my husband's birthday,

(51:42):
we rented a Porsche or Porsche I never really know,
it doesn't matter, we'll never own one. But that was
a similar situation where I test drove one and I
was like, like, we literally drove it around, not even
testdrove it someone's vehicle. They rent them out for just
like a day, and it was just like a little
fun birthday present. And I drove that around Florida and
I was like, absolutely not. There's no way I would
ever feel comfortable. First off, just hitting the gas on it.

(52:05):
I was just like, Nope, I can't do this.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
A lot of people are in the range around one
hundred thousand dollars, you know, for sure, kind of clustering
around one hundred thousand dollars, and that's that's probably kind
of where I am too. I have these I have
these day dreams about what kind of car I'd like
to buy if I ever retire, and know that, you know,
I don't have to keep paying for the kids, and

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so I'm kind of safe buying something. And I keep
thinking that, you know, something between one hundred and one
hundred and fifty thousand, something like that. You used car
probably I don't know, I love Aston Martin's, or maybe
I used Ferrari.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
I don't know that I would drive that any day,
but I'll tell you I was.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
I was really surprised at myself how uncomfortable I was
driving that Ferrari psychologically, even though, on one hand, right,
and it's all relative, Like if you've got plenty of money,
and if you're gonna go buy a three hundred and
thirty thousand dollars car, then you're a person who's not
gonna worry about it. Right. If your bill gates, you

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don't care, it doesn't matter. I think it's all relative
to your own income. I also think that if I
had a car like that, I would get used to it, right,
because it is just it's an incredible feeling. There is
something special about being in one of those. But I was,
let's just say, at three hundred thousand, I'd really have
to get used to it. And I don't think I'd

(53:30):
ever get used to driving a eight hundred thousand dollars car.
I just don't think I could, even if I had
quite a.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Bit more money. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Anyway, a lot of people have come in around one
hundred hundred and twenty thousand dollars, and that's that's kind
of interesting, really interesting. So anyway, you got your thoughts
text us at five six, six nine zero, what would
be the most expensive car you would feel comfortable comfortable driving.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
It just was something that popped up in my in
my head.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Anyway, I do want to give a big shout out
to Bentley Denver for putting the thought in my head
and letting me drive a Ferrari. And if you want
to go check out any of that Ferrari and Bentley
and Lamborghini and all that, they've got it. They've got
it at Bentley Denver. So all right, I think we've
solved all of the world's problems right now, or maybe
most of them. We're gonna get to a couple of

(54:21):
words news, traffic, weather, and then I have a jewelry
question for Gina. But just lighten it up for a second.
It is Friday, after all. So a listener sent me
a text or no, an email that I thought i'd
mentioned to you guys.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Because such a awesome story. We're talking about expensive cars.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
So back in the day in California, you could have
when you bought a car, you know, you get the
temporary plate on the car, the temporary tag. It would
be good for six months. And Steve Jobs, who ran Apple,
would buy usually a new Mercedes SL fifty five every
six months, so he didn't have to deal with go

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get going to get a license plate. The temporary tag
was going to expire. Just go buy a new car.
Just go buy a new car. So I love that story.
I would kind of like to like to have that
kind of money. Ross most cars at that price point
are least under a manufacturer's warranty and fully ensured. That
should make driving a car like that a little easier.

(55:22):
So it must be the risk of maintenance, cause that
make costs. That makes you nervous. I will say, you
get some of these crazy cars and then you're talking
about oil changes that are four four digits in the
price of the oil change, and I think that would piss.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Me off, no matter no matter how much money I had.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
A couple of shows ago, we also just talked about
like the condition of like downtown Denver.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Roads and things like that. And it's one thing to
take one of those sports cars through the mountains.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
That's awesome, but then just like how low they ride
to the ground, I be worried, just like any pothole,
any bump in the road.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Every single time you were.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Talking about how you there's a pothole that just keeps
opening up and you keep driving.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Over back up. The passing in the morning was literally
it was patched all right, so you'll let you know
what it opens. Yeah, you need to tell us when
it opens again, all right.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
I sent Gina this thing from gizmoto dot com, which
is a tech website, and it's talking about smart.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Ear rings, and I don't wear earrings, but they look
kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
I mean, like these digital devices that track where you
go or how many steps do you take or don't.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
I don't know what blood pressure. So I sent it
to Gina and.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Gina said, well, what did you say about these about
these smart earrings?

Speaker 1 (56:31):
I'm interested.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
I like them because first off, I had to look
at appearance first, because I was like, all right, if
I'm gonna wear these earrings, I like wearing earrings a lot,
so I was like, they got to look good, and
they do. They're actually just like basic silver hoops and
they come in like different styles, only one, because that
was my next question, Okay, are you getting both? And
it's like yes for two hundred and fifty bucks, which

(56:53):
I actually didn't think was that bad of a deal.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
One of them is going to do.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
All of the control, like the monitoring of the blood
pressure and all the stats that like an Apple watch
does nowadays, and stuff like that the other one's just
like a basic earring, look identical.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
But I was like, are you.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Only getting one earring? That was my first question to it.
But I am curious because I'm not really a watch person.
I have a ring on every finger, so I've never
tried one of the smart rings or anything like that.
Earrings was one the first time I've ever heard of
that before. If they're small, they actually look pretty practical.
It's not like one of those big watches that you're
wearing on your wrist. And it's supposed to monitor a

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bunch of different things, including sleep.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
But that is where I draw the.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Line because I don't wear earrings when I sleep because
the posts kind of dig into the side of your
neck because like if it's I got a sharp post
on the back of it. That's where I'm like, oh darn,
because I would love to learn a little bit more
about just a sleep tracking cycle, but not with the
earring if I have to wear it for me.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
That the science side of this is super interesting, right.
They say that it will track real time blood flow
to your head, and they claim and I'm just you know,
giving you their marketing propaganda, but they say, giving anyone
instant insight into how blood flow affects energy, focus and

(58:10):
mental clarity. So here's here's my struggle with these things
and the fitbits and stuff like that. I'm worried that
I would become obsessed with checking the data like how many.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Steps have I done? Or or or I'm.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Exercising and did I get my heart rate all the
way up to where I needed to be? Or I'm
just I'm afraid that I'd be just start focusing in
on the results of this thing, that it would cause
me to absolutely I.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Mean, it's so funny when I'm in a yoga class
and I hear everyone's watches go clink as soon as
it starts because they're all monitoring their workout for the
next hour, or like people that wear the Apple watches
and they're like, I have to complete my rings, which
Apple watches have these weird rings where it's like how
many steps, how much activity, how much sleep? That if
you complete all your rings, it's just like you had.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
A good day of a shot of dopamine. Apple gives
you a producer dragon. You were just looking at your wrist.
Is that an apple I've got?

Speaker 7 (59:05):
I've got the rings in there too, so I've I've
got the stand hours, the calories burned, and workout time,
so it's already told me that I've stood five times
for four or five hour.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
It's it's weird. How does an hour it knows?

Speaker 7 (59:21):
I mean because if you're standing there at your arms vertical,
so it's got a little geometry on there, so it
knows what you're doing. And for the workout, if the
fight rate gets high enough, it'll kind of work out
for you.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Same with the calories. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Do you feel validated when you complete all the rings each?

Speaker 8 (59:35):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Yeah, right, it's just like another little perk.

Speaker 6 (59:38):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
I had a good day and I completed all the rings.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Is there anything that is being developed as a as
a consumer product that isn't intentionally designed to be addictive?

Speaker 1 (59:48):
These days?

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Right?

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Everything is all.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
About addiction, right and including including this Dragon, I mean dragon.
If you if if I stole your Apple Watch and
gave you an old school analog or even digital watch
that didn't have any smart features, would you feel like
you're missing something?

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Yes? Very much.

Speaker 8 (01:00:11):
So.

Speaker 7 (01:00:12):
Yeah, there have been like like a Sunday's because I
work out every day and there's been a Sunday or
two that I've forgotten to wear my watch. I've stopped
the workout, gone back upstairs, grab my watch, come back down,
turn it on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
All right, time to go. I've heard so many people say, Oh,
that workout didn't even matter. I wasn't wearing Yeah, it
didn't count. I wasn't even wearing it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
And these these smart earrings are interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
I think they're Lumia Luma. Yeah, Lumia, Yeah, Lumia.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Two hundred and fifty dollars smart earrings. But you were
talking about the addictive nature of it. They also find
a way to pick your pocket in every way, shape
or form, Because two fifty is actually not that bad
for a pair of smart earrings. Okay, But then it's
a ten dollars a month app that is need to
monitor everything the data that it collects exactly, and they

(01:01:00):
all I.

Speaker 7 (01:01:00):
Watch, there's no app, so I'm good. So there's no
fee on top of it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
I mean, at least the razor companies are smart enough
to they sell you the razor really really, really cheap,
because then you've got to buy their razor blades forever.
These guys want to sell you the earrings for kind
of a lot and then a ten dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
No, I do get concerns too if we've never had
a smart device so close to your heads before. They're
usually on your wrist or on your finger.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
But imagine all the conspiracy theories it'll come out of
that too, like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
The thoughts it's putting in your head.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Or the thoughts the thoughts it's taking out of your head.
All right, well we'll see it, we'll see a gene.
What are the odds that you're gonna buy them and
try it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
I don't know, Slim, I guess, slim, yeah, zero. It's
really it's really that app price, because it's more like
I've wanted to try one of those smart devices, but
then paying ten bucks a month for the app.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Like I hear you, but still I can hear the
marketing folks at it, you know, thinking to Gina, So
you're telling me there's a chance.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Well, hey, if you are a Colorado's Morning news listener,
every Friday, we highlight a number of weekend events that
are taking place in and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Around the Denver area. We still do in the five
o'clock hour.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
You can find it in our podcast section at Kwacolorado
dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
But we also highlight it in the eight o'clock hour.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Here as we are kicking off the holiday season by
lighting the lights.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Kwa's Rap Dawson has a preview Denver Bayer Mike Johnson.

Speaker 9 (01:02:26):
We'll flip the switch tonight at five pm to turn
the City and County building into a festive scene. An
interactive holiday lights show will play twice per night Tuesdays
through Sundays at five forty five pm and six forty
five pm through January twenty six, the end of the
National Western Stock Show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Denvers.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Chris Kendall Market is getting underway today at its new
location this year, it's on the east side of the
Tivoli Quad at the A Area Campus. The free German
style holiday market will be open daily from one till
nine pm through Tuesday, December twenty third. The Mile High
Tree also returning for the holiday season, but due to
the construction at Civic Center Park, the Digital Christmas Tree
has also moved to the Area Campus. Look Up in

(01:03:05):
the sky, It's not a bird, It's not a plane,
It's actually a drone.

Speaker 10 (01:03:08):
The Mile High Drone Show begins tonight and it runs
to the next forty nights.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
In Denver.

Speaker 10 (01:03:12):
The eleven minute show starts at seven pm, and it'll
be visible west of the downtown area. The best viewing
areas from Tivoli Quad at a Area campus and Sculpture
Park at the Denver Performing Arts Complex. The drone shows
are scheduled through Wednesday, December thirty first.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
That's Koa's neabnder.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
The Castle Rock tradition also returning tomorrow night at Wilcox
Square kioas Bindy Stone will be there.

Speaker 11 (01:03:35):
The lighting of the Star begins with a celebration at
two o'clock tomorrow, with the actual star lighting ceremony at five.
This year's star lighting offers hot chocolate, strolling entertainers, caroling,
live entertainment, and a visit from Santa.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
The celebration takes place.

Speaker 11 (01:03:51):
From two to six pm with the Castle Rocks star
Lighting ceremony at five.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
A symbol of Castle Rock.

Speaker 11 (01:03:58):
For eighty nine years, the Rock Star will remain lit
until the end of the National Western Stock Show in January.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
The Festival of Light celebration marks the debut of holiday
lighting that will illuminate several blocks of downtown Loveland. It
all begins tonight at five pm along Fourth Streets in
the Foundry Plaza with the tree lighting at seven point
thirty in Boulder, Santa will help flip the switch to
light up the Pearl Street Mall and around the Boulder
County Courthouse on Sunday at five, Denver's biggest drive through

(01:04:26):
Christmas light display is back for the holiday season. It's
Christmas in color, and it's brought back in its drive
through light displays at two locations. The displays will be
at water Worlds and at Red Rocks. The water World
display is now open. The Red Rocks Park and Amphitheater
location will open next Friday on November twenty eighth. The
signature event at Denver Botannic Gardens back for the season.

Speaker 12 (01:04:47):
Kwa's Brenda Stewart Blossoms of Light at Denver, tradition for
nearly forty years, transforms the York Street Gardens into a
twinkling wonderland. More than a million lights are used to
illuminate a mile long path for botanic gardens at Chatfield
Farms will also be transformed into a glistening path of lights.
The Trail of Lights holiday experience offers dancing Christmas trees,

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synchronize music, and a children's play area. Light tunnels model
tractor displays and plenty of snacks. It'll be open various
nights through Sunday, January eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
The Cherry Creek Holiday Market back for its sixth year
with dozens of vender booths lining both sides of Fillmore Plaza.
Visitors can shop under the lights, enjoy music, and warm
up at the Cherry Creek North pop up holiday bar
called the Missiletoe Lounge. I'm looking forward to seeing this
This weekend stop returns to the Mule Theater. The International
Percussion Sensation features an eight member troupe that uses everything

(01:05:42):
but conventional percussion instruments. We're talking matchboxes, wooden poles, brooms,
garbage cans, zipple lighters, hubcaps, and fill the stage with
rhythm stop plays through Saturday, a Colorado tradition Also returning
to the Denver Performing Arts Complex, The DCPA Theater Company
is hosting its thirty first and production of A Christmas
Carol through Sunday, December twenty eighth at the Wolf Theater.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Tickets on sale now at Denvercenter dot org.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
The forty first Annual Turkey Trot five k Run and
Walk tomorrow at the Brighton Recreational Center. The event is
a Boulder Boulder qualifying race, and registered participants receive a
shirt and breakfast and are eligible for prize giveaways. It'll
start at eight thirty tomorrow morning, and Turkey Trot registration
can be completed at Brightonco dot gov. In sports, Here's

(01:06:27):
Kways Jedbauer.

Speaker 8 (01:06:28):
The Nuggets host the Kings at eight pm Saturday at
Ball Arena. The Buffs football team has their final home
game of the season on Saturday. They will host Arizona
State at six pm at folsome Field, KOA Coverage of
that game starts at four. The Air Force Academy takes
on New Mexico tomorrow at five in Colorado Springs and

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Northern Colorado hosts Portland at noon tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
WWE World Wrestling Entertainment also hosting Friday Night SmackDown at
Bowlrena time night at five point thirty. You can let
us know what you have going on this weekend. You
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to the rundown as well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Welcome to Rosskaminski on the News with Gina Gondek.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Hi, Gina, who are you texting? Hey Brenda outside because
I'm too lazy to stand up and walk over there.
Did you love that?

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Don't you love that? People?

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
That is the best. That is absolutely the best. I
want to do a couple of news things here. So
you may have heard so for probably everybody listening to
the show knows who Tina Peters is. Right, So, former
Mesa County clerk who got involved with election shenanigans and
broke the law and did some you know, got involved
in a lot of this kind of trumpy stolen election stuff.

(01:07:53):
But then she herself broke the law in some kind
of weird effort to try to show that there was
some wrong with the election. So she was charged. I
note she was charged by a Republican district attorney out
there in that in that area and in grand junction,
and she was convicted and she was sentenced to prison.

(01:08:15):
And what you might have heard is that President Trump
has a few times not only called for Tina Peters
to be released, which she definitely should not be.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
But also.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
The Federal Bureau of Prisons sent a letter to the
Colorado Department of Corrections a week ago requesting that Tina
Peters be transferred from state prison, where she's been for
about a year, to federal custody. Now I don't know

(01:08:50):
why they are asking, well, I have a theory. I
don't know the basis on which they claim they are
asking for federal custody. It seems to be a rather
odd thing to ask for that, right she is convicted
of a state crime, not a federal crime, even though
what she did involved a federal election. Why you would
try to put her in federal custody is unclear. There

(01:09:14):
does seem to be some you know, murmurs that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Maybe she's got some health issues, And.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
I don't know why federal custody would be a lot
better for her than state custody. But in any case,
they've been trying to get that And what I wanted
to share with you now because and for the record,
I oppose it. She really did break the law and
really does deserve to spend time in jail. But what
I wanted to share with you is a note that

(01:09:41):
I just received, and I'm not the only one who
received it just I'm on their email list from the
Colorado County Clerks Association, and it's a letter that they
wrote to Governor Jared Polus asking Polus to not go ahead,
at least not right now, with releasing Tina Peters. And
it's a fairly low note and I'm not going to
share all of it with you, but I just wanted

(01:10:03):
to share a little bit. Colorado's clerks, Republicans, Democrats, and
unaffiliated have spent decades building one of the most accessible, secure,
and transparent election systems in the nation.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
I'm skipping ahead now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
These officials did their work with professionalism, accuracy, and integrity,
even under tremendous pressure. Ms Peters was the one clerk
who chose not to Her actions were not mistakes or misunderstandings.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
They were deliberate.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Violations of Colorado election law and slash or attempts to
undermine public trust. Security cameras in restricted election areas were
turned off, Unauthorized individuals were brought into secure spaces using
falsified credentials. Established safeguards were bypassed. Routine election procedures were

(01:10:54):
misrepresented as evidence of wrongdoing. None of these actions protected
her county. Instead, they created vulnerabilities where none had existed
and forced Mason County taxpayers to spend millions replacing compromised
equipment and responding to the fallout. And then it goes
on talking a little bit more about the politics of

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what happened when she did what she did, and now
of course the Feds want her. Now Donald Trump is
sympathetic to her because she claimed that Trump won the election, right,
and so Trump likes her, even though all that stuff
is pardon and you know, all that stuff is lies.
And so in any case, here's what the county clerks say.

(01:11:39):
To remove Mims Peters from Colorado custody and custody now
at the urging.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Of political actors outside.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Our state, would send a deeply damaging message to the
clerks who upheld their oath under extraordinarily difficult circumstances. It
would imply that accountability for violations of Colorado law can
be negotiated or avoided, while those who acted honorably were
left to face the consequences alone.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
And there's a lot more.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Again, it's quite a long letter, but I'm gonna I'm
gonna stop there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
I just want you to be aware of it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
This is a letter released just in the past hour
or two by the Colorado County Clerks Association to the
Governor of Colorado requesting that he at least meet with
them meet with the county clerks before making a decision
about whether to release Tina Peters or not released. I'm
sorry transfer Tina Peters into federal custody.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
I don't think they should.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
This listener says, Rosshi was found guilty, but the sentence
is way too long. That's a that's a tough call,
and I have to look.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Up the details of the sentence.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Remember also, since she was sentenced in state court rather
than in federal court, she will generally be eligible for
parole after doing something like half the time, whereas if
you get sentenced in federal in a federal sentence, he
was nine years was a sentence. If you get sentenced

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in federal in the federal system, you pretty much have
to do all of the time or darn close to
all of it. So sentenced to nine years. This listener says,
the sentence is way too long. I don't know, I
could see the argument. Nine years feels like a lot,
you know, if she does half of it, four and
a half years that sounds about right to me, actually,

(01:13:20):
because if you think about what she did, she went
out of her way to make people not trust an
election and that ended up. I mean, she was a
part of the mindset that caused January sixth. She was
part of this much larger group of people who believed

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a bunch of nonsense. And you're allowed to believe nonsense,
but you're not allowed to be an elected official and
break the law in order to try to prove lies.
You could be a private citizen and you could say
anything you want, and it can be as moronic as
you want, it can be as evidence free as you want,

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but you can't break the law. But additionally, again with her,
she was elected to a position of trust.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
And to me, this is the thing.

Speaker 13 (01:14:11):
She is elected to a a position of trust, and
she used that to undermine exactly the area that she
is supposed to be trusted for.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
And it's not just that she did something wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
It's that she hurt her county, she hurt her state,
and she hurt the country by her actions. And at
some point, don't you think I think you got to
make an example out of somebody who does that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
And if Tina Peters is the example she earned it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
I realize there are a lot of people listening to
me right now who don't agree with me. There are
a lot of people who think, oh, the election was stolen,
or Tina Peters as a hero or whatever. And you
know what, we can still be friends and disagree about
this before we get to name that tune. I just
want to follow up briefly on what I talked about
in the last segment. This new letter from the Colorado
County Clerk's Association to Governor Polis, asking him to at

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least meet with them before they make a decision about
the federal government's request to transfer Tina Peters from a
state prison to a federal prison. First, I think I
might have used the word pardon the first time I
talked about this. They're not seeking a pardon. And just
to be clear, Trump cannot pardon Tina Peters and could
not pardon Tina Peters even if she gets moved to

(01:15:23):
a federal prison, because she still would be convicted of
a state crime. I've got a lot of listener texts,
and I don't have time to respond on the air
to all of them. I did respond by text to
very many of them, and Gina and I and Dragon.
We all try to respond to many listener texts during
the show, So if you text us while we are
on at five six six nine zero, there's a good

(01:15:46):
chance you will get a reply. Do not text at
us when we are not on, because we won't see them.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
The other thing that I want to mention.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
One listener text ross Colorado can't keep repeat offenders of
violent crimes in prison because they've been found mentally unstable,
so they get released over and over again. By the way,
that's true. It's not a conspiracy theory. That's that's our
law right now. It's really bad, but we keep someone
who broke into election, broke into election equipment in jail
for nine years. The scales of justice in Colorado are

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way off. And I do think that's right. I don't
think that it means that Tina Peterson sentence is too harsh.
You know, could debate that, but I do think the
other side of the coin, that comparison really is kind
of worth noting. Hey, folks, if you're listening on the
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