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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Happy to be with you this morning. As always, thanks
for your time. Appreciated whenever you spend a few minutes
of your valuable time with me. We have a lot
of stuff to do on the show today. I want
to just start with this day in history. This day
in history in nineteen sixty three. If you were watching,
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I think it was As the World Turns, a big
time soap opera that you know, many decade long soap opera.
If you were watching As the World Turns on on
CBS News, you would have heard the show interrupted and
you would have heard this.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Here is a bulletin from CBS News in Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Three shots were fired.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
At President Kennaday's motorcade in downtown Dallas.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
The first reports.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Say that President Kennaday has been seriously wounded this shooting.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Then the television show actually continued for a little bit,
not for very long, and there was another.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Another news break.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
That's Walter Cronkite, of course, for those you old enough
to remember that voice.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
And then a.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Little bit later on, about an hour after what I
just shared with you, Walter Cronkite was back on the
air on CBS.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
From Dallas, Texas. The flash apparently official. President Kennedy died
at one pm Central Standard time two o'clock Eastern Standard time,
some thirty eight minutes ago.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
You can hear the ticker in the background the teletype.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Vice President Johnson has left the hospital in Dallas, but
we do not know to where he has proceeded. Presumably
he will be taking the oath of office shortly and
become the thirty sixth President of the United States.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
You can actually see, I mean, Walter Cronkite was only,
you know, a part of my life briefly when I
was quite young. I don't remember what year he retired,
but I didn't have much Cronkite in my life because
I'm not old enough for that. But you could see
when you watch that video, and I have it up
on my blog. Actually, if you go to Rosscominsky dot com,
you can actually see that video, and he looks emotional
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for a guy who was just you know, as straight
arrow a newsman as you can imagine, and of course
you would be emotional in that situation. So yeah, I'm
fifty sixty one years ago today, sixty one years ago today,
John F. Kennedy assassinated in Dallas, Texas. I'll have some
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other audio for you throughout the show. You know, I'll
let me ask you a quick question. For those of
you who are older than I am. You probably have
to be quite a bit older than I am, But
if you have a memory of where you were that day,
where you were when you heard the news that Kennedy
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was killed, please text me at five sixty six nine zero.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
And share the story with me. Five six six nine zero.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Do you have a memory It happened before I was born,
But if you have a memory of when Kennedy was killed,
where you you know.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
There are these things in history.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Right A lot of people will remember where were you
when Neil Alan Armstrong walked on the moon and said one.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Giant leap for mankind? Where were you on the nine eleven,
two thousand and one attacks and so on?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
There are a few days like that in American history,
and the Kennedy assassination is surely one of them. And
so if you have any memory of that, I'd love
to hear the story. At five six six nine zero.
A little breaking news from this morning. It's not maybe
the most earth shattering development in this story, but it's
it's worth mentioning.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I'm going to go to Fox News for this.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Judge Wan Murshaan granted President elect Donald Trump's request to
file a motion to dismiss the charges in New York
versus Trump and remove the sentencing date for the president
elect from the schedule.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Very much.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
These things are not necessarily surprising, especially removing the sentencing
date because Trump and Brags stay. Trump and Bragg, being
the prosecutor, brought this nonsense case, both requested that the
judge put off the sentencing and at this point now
Trump's attorneys have until a week from Monday, December second
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to file a emotion explaining why.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
The case should be dismissed.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And once Trump and his attorneys file the motion, then
the prosecutors have a week to respond to that, and
then the judge will go read these arguments and decide
what to do. And it's gonna I think it's gonna
come down to a couple of things.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
One is.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Just how desperate is this particular judge to hurt Donald
Trump at any and all costs, even though at this
point the only possible remaining thing for Trump would be
to sentence him after he's done with the presidency, when
he's eighty two years old. Or something like that. And
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I don't know if the judge hates Trump enough to
want to put himself through that, the country through that,
the presidency through that.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
But also I think this judge.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Has done a lot of things wrong, and lawyers call
it reversible error, and there's a decent chance that some
big parts of this, maybe the whole thing, get overturned
on appeal, and this could be the judge's way out
if he's decided, especially in the aftermath of the Supreme
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Court Community case, if he's decided, If he decides, I
am so so likely to get overturned on appeal, and
I do not want that on my record, and that
to be the news, then.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Maybe I should just say, all right, based on this
and that.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Argument, whether I like it or not, the case needs
to be dismissed. Now that Trump has been elected president
of the United States. We'll see, and he hasn't said
how long he will take to give his answer, but
we will see. I'm gonna just start on a topic
here and then I'm gonna come back and continue with
it a little bit in the next segment, because it
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needs more time than the minute or so I have
right here. Mayor Mike Johnston made a remarkable comment to
Denverright a couple of days ago, and it bears mentioning,
bears mentioning, and actually Kyle Clark thought it was interesting
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enough to be worth tweeting about.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
And anyway, here's a.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Quote from the Denverright article where they interviewed Mayor Mike Johnston,
and the topic is what's Denver gonna do if and
when the Trump administration comes to deport illegal aliens, and
in particular illegal alien criminals. People have already been adjudicated deportable,
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and after those people, the priority will probably be new
illegal entrance into this country. I think I don't think
you're going to see the Trump administration deporting people who
have been here for many years and having committed crimes.
But in any case, this was the topic, and Johnston said,
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more than us having DPD, that's the Denver Police Department
stationed at the county line to keep them out. You'd
have fifty thousand Denver Rights there. It's like the Tienanmen
Square moment with the Rose and the gun right. You'd
have every one of those Highland moms who came out
for the migrants, and you don't want to mess with them.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
That's a remarkable statement.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
That statement is so remarkable that Fox News emailed me
this morning and asked me if I wanted to be
on the on uh on Fox News on Monday morning.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
To talk about it, and so I might. I might
do that with Dana Perno and.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Bill Hammer on Monday morning before coming into my show here.
It's a felony to impede.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
For federal law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You can be all the sanctuary city and sanctuary state
you want to be and decide you're not going to
cooperate handing over illegal aliens, but it's a different thing
entirely to say you're going to impede them. I've got
a little more to say about this. Keep it here
on KOA because you just played Tom Sawyer by Rush.
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What's funny is there's there's a person out there in
the listening audience who, whenever we're playing name that tune
always text in Tom Sawyer as his as his guests always.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
So we actually did it once. We did Tom Sawyer once,
just just for that person. Uh okay.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
So I mentioned a couple minutes ago that Denver Mayor
Mike Johnston made this comment about having Denver police stationed
at the county line and that there would be fifty
thousand Denver Rights waiting at the county line if the
federal government came to Denver to deport illegal aliens. Although
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to be clear, it seems that what he's talking about
is a quote unquote mass deportation. But what exactly does
that even mean? Well, Mayor Mike Johnston was on Colorado's
Morning News this morning with Marty and Gina, and Gina
just sent me a one minute clip that starts off
with Gina's.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Question to the mayor about this very thing.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
You had a quote in the Denver Rights that has
gained some traction on social media saying Denver police would
be stationed at the county line, tens of thousands of
Denver Rights would also be joining in.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
To stop federal forces out of the city. What did
you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:56):
And I think that's what I was trying to clarify,
as we have no plan for federal conflict, we have
no desire foreign conflict. But I do think what people
are not realizing is that if you're talking about one
hundred thousand people across the metro area have been here
for twenty years, if you were talking about actually deploying
the US military to show up at King Supers and
pull people out of the line in front of you,
or to show up a high school baseball game and
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pull a mom out of the crowd, or to show
up at the hospital and take a mom away from
our kid who's getting treatment. I don't think Denver rights
are going to stand by and accept that, nor do
I think residents of any part of the country would.
I mean, you think about last time we said something
like this was the internment of Japanese Americans in World
War two, and that has been a stain on this
country for eighty years, and that was a time of war,
and so you know, our Governor Ralph Karp stood up
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and oppose that that time. Then I think that the
president will find a whole set of governors and mayors
and regular citizens who would oppose that kind of round
up of residents.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
All right, So I have a couple of things to
say about this.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
First of all, comparing comparing deporting illegal aliens to rounding
up Japanese Americans during World War Two and putting them
in tournament camps is a terrible comparison. The illegal aliens
are here illegally, that Japanese Americans who were residents and many,
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very very many citizens of the United States weren't doing
anything wrong, they didn't do anything illegal, they weren't criminals,
And that whole internment camp thing truly is a stain
on this country.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
But to compare that to.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Saying somebody is in the country illegally and so we
are going to remove them, that's an insane comparison. It's
a anti it's oh my gosh, I just can't believe
how bad that is. Almost speechless. Now here's the other
thing I want to say. I realize that Donald Trump
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campaigned on some kind of mass deportation and get out
all the illegals and stuff like that. And you know what,
getting out like all or all almost all of the
illegals who came during Biden's term would be fine with
me in theory. In practice, it's impossible. Our government does
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not have the manpower to wherewithal to do anything close
to that. They are going to have their hands full
simply finding and removing illegal aliens who have committed crimes
since being in the United States. That's already a big number,
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and people who for whatever other reasons have been adjudicated
already through the legal process to portable, and they need
to go. That is going to keep the federal government's
hands full. I think passed the end of the Trump presidency,
and despite all of Trump's bluster, there is no way
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on God's green Earth that he or his team team
at ICE is actually going to make an effort to
go do mass deportations of illegal aliens who have been
here for ten years or twenty years or whatever and
are working and maybe have children who are American citizens
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and have not committed crimes. And really, people on the
left who claim they're afraid of that, like Mike Johnston,
should know better. And people on the right who actually
believed that Trump would try to do that with millions
of illegal aliens in this country also should have known better.
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When we come back doctor Keith Ablow, It's been on
TV literally a thousand times, He's written sixteen books.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Interesting guy. We're going to talk with him.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
About how he views the RFK junior and the overall
likely approach to health and medicine in the new Trump administration.
So we have a new incoming administration. The old boss
is the new boss, and I think a lot of
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people think a lot of things about what Trump administration
policy will be based on things that he has said
and done in the past. Immigration, right, this war or
that war. I think we have a pretty good sense
of what it's going.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
To be like.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I think we have a much less of a sense,
or at least a confident sense of just what health
and medical policy will be like in the Trump administration.
It wasn't something he seemed to care about very much
the first time. And as a dude who drinks a
lot of doctor pepper and eats a lot of McDonald's,
I mean him, not me, you know, it just wasn't
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his focus. And that's fine, you know, you don't have
to be focused on everything.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
But especially with the involvement of Robert F.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Kennedy Junior in the Trump campaign and now his nomination
to be Health in Human Services Secretary, it seems like
there's going to be a lot more action around that
range of issues. So joining us talk about that and
some other things as well.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Doctor Keith Ablow. Keith is a Johns.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Hopkins educated psychiatrist and he's now doing counseling and life coaching,
and we'll actually talk about his new business, which is
called for Vita Health. If you want to go check
it out the number four vahealth dot com. We'll talk
about that in a bit as well. Keith has written
I think sixteen books, been on TV literally a thousand times,
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but he's made the big time now that he's here
on KOWA.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Hi Keith, hey man. Thanks, it's good to be part
of the big time. I like that. It was awesome.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
That's good You've earned it.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So, first of all, do you disagree with anything I
said in kind of setting up our conversation.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
I think these are momentous times, and you know, I
like to say the truth always wins in the end.
It can take a long time, but I think we're
going to see that unfold because they've been all manner
of sleights of hand in the healthcare industry that really
need to be addressed, from the FDA to hospitals, to
private practitioners, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
And there's a chance now that that will happen. I'd
bet on it.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
So I'm just gonna tell you kind of my overall
framing of RFK, and then I'm going to try to
remove any bias I have as much as possible from
the conversation and then just talk with you about a
range of issues. The analogy I've given about RFK on
the show is that imagine a restaurant that had incredible salads,
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some of the best main courses you ever ate, but
the side dishes that you're required to eat or poisonous
and can either make you a little bit sick or
maybe kill you.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
And so would you go to that.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Restaurant if you know that the main course is going
to be the best meal you've ever had, but you
have to eat a side dish, It'll probably make you
sick at least.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
That's how I think about RFK.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
On the other hand, I don't want to overgeneralize because
there's lots of different individual issues and he's really interesting
on some of them. So now I'll just open this
to you to make any broader commentary you want, and
then we'll start getting specific.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Yeah, I think RFK has a head of steam to
try to sort of perform a cat scan on multiple
aspects of the body of the pharma industry and the
medical industry.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
And what do I mean by that.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
I mean that if you really start to unbundle things,
you start to see things that you'd say, well, that
probably doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
How are those ingredients finding.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
Their way into the food chain, the food supply, whether
it's a yellow dye or something else. I think he
is geared up appropriately to say, number one, the data
doesn't look reassuring, and so if it's making our kids sick,
that has to be documented, and let's look at the
data very honest about. Then there's a secondary question, which is, well,
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wait a second. If the data was around and it
was interpreted favorably for industry, who in the government decided
that that would happen, And what kind of revolving door
was there that suggested that people would be made whole
wealthier if they were to turn a blind eye to
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some of the dangers. It extends, you know, not just
to the side dishes at restaurants or your analogy or
metaphor is really good, right in terms of ingredients of foods,
but even you.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
Know, at the FDA, why is it we just accept
that it's the fact that in order to get something
through the FDA you have to spend millions upon millions
of dollars.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
It has to be a patentable. Therefore, molecule natural cures
need not apply really for an FDA, you know, indication
for a disease. Why, because everybody already knows, well, how
could I ever afford that? How am I going to
put curcumen, which is made from the Indian spice trameric,
through the FDA and get them to agree, Hey, it
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seems to treat depression almost as well as prozac or
just as well. Well, there's no appetite for that or
audience for that at the FDA, because they'll say, well,
you're going to have to find somebody to put zillions
of dollars into the process. We're not going to flex
the process in any way for this natural cure.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
We're not going to fund it. We're not going to
go over to NIH and have them pay for it. Why.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
It almost looks like there's a lobby for the farm
industry that makes that highly unlikely.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
So, first of all, I'll say, I think you understated
it when you talked about the cost of getting to
an approved drug in the US these days. I think
it's more like a billion dollars than some number of
millions of dollars. And it's pretty nuts, and it's part
of the reason that drugs are are are so expensive,
and I personally have a lot of problems with the FDA.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I'll give you one example.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I mostly do an okay now, but for many years
I had ongoing basically with sacroiliac joint dysfunction, and I
was in pain all the time, and the only thing
that helped me as far as a medication was Viox. Now,
Viox increased heart attack risk. I was a very very
low heart attack risk to begin with, so I wasn't
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particularly worried about it. They took it off the market
because of that. Not just because of the heart attack risk,
but because Merk lied about the heart attack risk.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
And that was pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Mirk then created another drug, the generic name of which
is called etre coxib, to replace viox, and it is
approved almost everywhere in the world, but not America, so
I have to buy it from India, and I do.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Luckily. I don't need it much anymore. But to me, it.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Seems to me like the FDA is so afraid of
lawyers that they're not taking care of patients.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Well that's right, I mean, and they're not afraid enough
of lawyers from say, startup companies. So I actually consult
to this group in Australia that makes something called cavedets.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
The founder there's a good example.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
The founder, Kyle Hodgits, says that cavedecs, which is cyclodextrin molecules,
there's sugar rings, little sugar rings that the body doesn't metabolize.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
They go around the.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
Bloodstream and they collect fat molecules. No one disagrees with that.
Kyle says a cured him of atherosclerosis because it literally
can take the fat out of Arterie Walltz. He says, okay,
So now doctors started giving it to clients, to patients.
They're patients who may have needed various procedures, are saying well,
I don't think I need it because I don't have
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angina anymore.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
And then they.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Do calcium scores and their calcium scores are plummeting. Right,
calcium scores are an indication of atherosclerosis. Now, you know, Kyle,
they're basically seizing cavedets at the border. Now I think
most of it's getting through, but they're seizing it and
burning it because they say, well, you can't claim that
it helps you with heart disease. Say something else like
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it's heart healthy. Don't talk about atherosclerosis. The FDA says,
and he's a curmudgeon and a tough guy, and he's
basically saying, no, I've got dodgers in the United States
saying that my patients are going to die if they don't.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Get this stuff.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Why don't you put a giant red label on it
that say you disagree and let it get through.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Maybe we study it together, Maybe we collect.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
All the data from the hundreds of thousands of patients
using it and decide later.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
No, the answer is no. Why is the answer no?
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Maybe the answer ought to be, well, if people are
dying of cardiovascular blockages and they aren't even doing well
after getting stints.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Let's do it well, you know.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
And I'm not saying I know, but it makes me worry. Well,
so is it the cholesterol medication folks who don't want
a natural substance out there that can clean out your arteries.
I'm not saying that they've done sufficient double blind, controlled
clinical studies. They haven't, but this anecdotal evidence. Hard to
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imagine that you'd use a gel with a complex sugar
in it and that you'd be fooled into thinking that
you don't have heart pain. That's kind of weird. So
in a case, I agree with you completely. And there
are so many examples of generics too, Like I was
one of the first doctors in the United States to
make ketamine available to my depressed patients, many of whom
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had some suicidal ideation. Ketamine the street drug, but it's
a proof for pain, and so doctors start to use
it once they noticed, Hey, this is pretty good for depression.
This really works, and it works right away. So if
you're thinking hurting yourself, man, you get a ketamine infusion.
Very many, many, many people say I don't feel.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
That way anymore.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
Now, the FDA has never approved ketamine for the treatment
of maje a depression. Ketamine generic ketamine is almost free,
Like you can get a month's supply of ketemine nasals
frey for sixty bucks at your local compounding pharmacy.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
What they did was approved.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Es ketamine, an isomer of the molecule that in a
mirror is only the left reflection of the molecule made
by a company. Guess how much that costs. That costs
about eighteen hundred a week.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Oh my god, as opposed to.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Day sixty for the month, and you have to have
it done at the doctor's office for no reason, and
the doctor's office visits. So I'm like, wait a second,
it's no better than the generic, and the approved one
is like thousands a month, many thousands of month, and
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you have to go to the doctor's office to use it.
Why wouldn't the FDA, by extensions say well, we're going
to greenlight Genericada mean, because there's no argument really that
it wouldn't work.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
So that makes sense, look at chains.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So let's I could talk about this stuff forever. We
got about nine minutes left, so let's go through. Let's
go through some key things about RFK. Actually, I want
to take a moment here just before we get to RFK,
because I'm looking at your website for Vita health dot com.
And if folks want to look at Keith's website, the
number four VI I t a health dot com because
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you were talking about like natural substances. So, without being
too infomercially, what are you what are you doing here
on this website?
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Well, I'm you know, I'm really excited because when I
treat patients, treated patients for thirty years, I always would
harness the power of supplements in addition to medications, and
it you know, the American Psychiatric Association has this giant
book with three hundred disorders in it, and then the
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farmer industry matches prescription medications, some which have horrible side
effects to those conditions, and they say, there you go,
I want an approval for my drug. I paid the
billion and now I'm going to make several billion whatever
it is. But they are naturally occurring herbs and minerals
and other things that really work to raise mood, to
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defeat brain.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Fog, and to improve sleep.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
So I'm offering those through for Vita Health on the
website for vitahealth dot com because it gives me great
joy actually to be able to say, listen, not everybody
should be diagnosed with an illness who's sad. But that's
what happens. You go to a barber, you get a haircut,
you go to a psychopharmacologist. They're going to meet with
you for ten minutes, do a checklist and say, I
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think this person qualifies for major depression. Let's put them
on medication which may have sexual side effects, weight gain
side effects, suicidal ideation that's caused by it. And there's
a vast number of people who really don't qualify five
for those diagnoses whose moods can be lifted, or clarity
thought can be enhanced, or sleep can be made better
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without a pharma agent.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, very interesting stuff. I'm gonna look at it more
after the show. All right, I want to let's do
an almost lightning round regarding RFK and your expectations for
policy in the Trump administration on some issues, and one thing,
I just want to be careful. I mean, you talked
about RFK and being data driven. I don't believe he's
data driven. I think he claims he's data driven only,
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but he cherry picks the data that confirms what he
wants to believe.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
For example, with vaccines.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I think he's absolutely full of it with vaccines, and
I think it's dangerous.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Do you what are you?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Give me a quick comment on RFK and vaccines, and
then we'll move to some other things where I think
he's probably on target.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Well, I think sometimes the truth is found by a
vigorous opposition of ideas.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
At the extremes. Is an extreme.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Idea that most or most all vaccines don't really have
a place in our armamentarium, I would say, well, I
don't know that we're really that. I don't know that
we have the data that the polio vaccine caused autism.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I don't believe that. I don't know that we have
that data.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
So I hope that what we'll get is someone who says, Okay,
I'm not willing to accept this data blindly, and I
need the data convince me of it.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
And when he has an opinion, I hope they'll.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Be vigorous pushback from folks who say, well, that doesn't
square with science.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
But in the case of the.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
COVID vaccine, I think he's got a big point that,
you know, there wasn't the data to suggest that this
was going to be the life saving treatment without any
side effects or problems that it was purported to be,
and people made many, many, many billions of dollars on it. Yeah,
and so I agree, by the way that as to
a lightning round, I don't know if that was lightning,
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but it can't be absolute or extreme.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I think one thing where I think RFK junior already
are two things where RFK junior already has some traction
is food ingredients, food dies. You know, I'm seeing stuff
about how, for example, in Canada they use turmeric and
beat juice to color the fruit loops, and here we
use red number forty and yellow number whatever. And you know,
the cereal companies say, well, there's no data to say
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that the food dies are bad. And when we tried
to use the fruit colorings, consumers didn't like it, and
so we went back. But I, you know, so I
think this is interesting because a lot of folks don't
lack the idea of more chemicals than necessary in their food.
So I think he's got a little traction here. But
I also don't know if there's data to support his opposition.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
I think there is data. I think there's a lot
of data on food dies and so forth. And sugar,
by the way, I think it's overwhelming that the amount
of sugar in the American diet is insanity and that
should be made clear. But there's so much to clean up.
He could take his pick. For instance, when you go
into a hospital.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
They will he's a tiny thing.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
If you say do not resuscitate me DNR, this is
one tiny thing. The hospital interprets that. In most hospitals
says do not treat. Try to get into an intensive
care unit. If you have a DNR order, Now you
go to the intensive care unit when you're really sick
and need not to.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Code, right, like, I don't want to have my heart stop,
so let's go to the ICU.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
I can't tell you the number of times I've argued
with doctors who say, well, why would I transfer this
person to the ICU?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
They're DNR. Well, no, that doesn't mean kill them, right.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
That means that means they happened to have their heart
stop they decided don't put don't try to start it again,
but don't make it.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Stop, right. So that's one tiny thing.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
And another issue is, you know, the rapidity with which
there's anxiety to discharge people from the hospital. I know
beds are precious, but very often that results in real
misses in terms of the next level of care that
doesn't happen, and the whole medical industry has fallen apart.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Do you think that?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Do you think the areas data good data to suggest
we should try to get these food dies out of.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Let's say our breakfast cereal.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
I do I think there's good data to get some
food dies out of some foods. Now, you can't be
a politician alone or even a lay person who's quite
smart and make those decisions. You have to tap signs.
You can't be a complete you can't turn a complete
death fear to science. So there has to be the
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data otherwise nothing should be done that interrupts industry.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
All right, And last question for you, another one where
I think that the data is inconclusive but the conversation
is getting more interesting. Is Florida floridating water supplies. And
you know a lot of the data that seems to
say floride can do this that or the other thing
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is involving much higher doses of fluoride than people are
getting in American water systems.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
So you know, as you.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well know as a doctor, dose always matters, right, So
what are you you know, we got about a minute here.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
What are you thinking?
Speaker 1 (32:41):
How do you think this conversation about fluoride and water
systems is going to play out?
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Totally requires much more study because you can't, you know,
as somebody who loves science, you cannot do things by correlation.
You can't say, well, we have Florida in our water
and look at our rates of X, Y and z.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
It's like, well, okay.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
But there are many, many, many factors that could be
weighing in on that outcome.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
How much water do you drink? Which towns, which states,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
So I think we've really got to look at that,
because you know, even when you think about dental health
and gingivitis and terrible gum disease and infections in people's mouths,
these are real things.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
So Okay, maybe it doesn't go in the water, But
then what's the answer. What are you going to do
to get fluoride or people who need it?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Yeah, it's going to be a very interesting conversation.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I have to say, you know, I'm not an RFK
junior fan, but I do think he will inspire and
catalyze a lot of interesting and necessary conversations.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
And again I agree with him on some stuff.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I think the FDA causes as many problems as it solves,
and it'll be interesting to see if RFK can actually
get Senate confirmation. Folks, you can follow Keith Ablow at
his website keithablowablow dot com and check out his new
line of all natural supplements brain fog and better sleep
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and stuff like that at the number four v I
TA Health dot com. Keith A pleasure to talk to
you for the first time.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Thanks for doing this my pleasure. Russ.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Thanks. I hope we do it again and I'll always
be available.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
All right, appreciate it, Keith, thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
All right, We're gonna take a quick break, digest all that,
perhaps with.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
The help of a natural supplement, and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Let me also mention I have an idea for you
for a Christmas or hunka president. I mentioned this a
little while and then I forgot to mention again. So
there was a couple I'm not sure who actually who
signed up to go on our listener trip to the Galapagos,
which is in the middle of March, and it's going
to be an unbelievable kind of bucket list trip for
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especially for anybody who loves me sure travel.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
So there was a couple who had to cancel, and.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
So there are two spaces available on our listener trip
to the Glopaghos in March. You can learn more if
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Speaker 4 (35:27):
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Speaker 1 (35:30):
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Speaker 4 (35:39):
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Speaker 3 (35:44):
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Speaker 1 (35:44):
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on one of the islands, professional naturalists explaining things to you, snorkeling.
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It's just it includes tips. Even so, it's just great value.
So go to rosstrip dot com and check it out.
And like I said, there's just two seats available because
a couple recently canceled.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Just two very quick things.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
I want to mention regarding doctor Keith Ablow, I don't
think that his story about doctors seeing a do not
resuscitate order on a patient's chart, saying well, therefore I
won't put him in ICU to save his life. There's
no way that's a common practice. It's probably that sounds
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like the kind of thing that one doctor heard or
misheard another doctor say at some point, and then it
became some kind of urban legend among folks who from
time to time want to be critical of the medical establishment.
But there is no way that this is an actual
thing that happens even once it day, even once a
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week in the whole country. It's probably like once a
year in the whole country. And maybe not even that
where a doctor says, well, this person said he doesn't
want to be resuscitated if he dies, and therefore, even
though he's alive now.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
I'm not gonna put him in the intensive care unit
to save his life. It just there's no way that's
a real thing other than not though I think that a.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Lot that a lot of stuff Keith Ablow said, and
a lot of stuff that RFK Junior said, you know,
says it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
We gotta again.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
I'm gonna repeat my concern about RFK Junior. He claims
to be data driven, but I don't believe him. I
think he has things that he deeply believes and he
wants them to be true. And will go look for
data that will tend to confirm what he wants to
be true, even when it's not.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
True, such as before COVID.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Now, all the years that he spent telling people do
not get vaccinated, that was all based up because because
the MMR vaccine, for example, causes autism, it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
It simply doesn't.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
And it doesn't mean that you cannot find some time
in American history where you know, somebody appears to have
been injured by a vaccine. But you're talking about tens
or hundreds of millions of people's benefited by vaccines, and
a few people or a dozen people, if you can
even prove it harmed by vaccines or whatever, the number is.
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That the balance does not side with RFK. And I
think he's very dangerous on that. And then everything, there's
lots of other stuff that's just sort of in between
what does the data say? And I wish I could
trust that RFK Junior would actually be data driven. I
don't trust him. Now I'm gonna ask you a different question.
I asked you this before. Actually, I'm gonna start with.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
This audio clip just to set us back up.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Here, and I'm gonna maybe do a little bit of
this now, and a little bit more in.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
The next segment or shortly after the next segment.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
But this day in history, sixty one years ago, President
John F.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Kennedy was shot and killed.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
And I actually don't know the source of this news clip,
but I'm going to share it with you.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
I have just talked to the father Oscar Hubert. I
was only trying to Catholic church.
Speaker 8 (39:18):
He and another priest tell me that a pair of
men have just administered the last rites of the Catholic Church,
the President Kennedy. President Kennedy has been assassinated. As official now,
the president is dead.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Women here in shock, some sin it.
Speaker 8 (39:37):
Secret service men standing by the emergency room, peers scrutiny
down their face. There's only one word to describe the
picture here, and that's greed.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
And much of it.
Speaker 8 (39:50):
As up just a few months ago. The President of
the United.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
States is dead.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Well, I don't know who that reporter was, I don't
what network that was on. The question that I asked
was if you were old enough, If you are old
enough to have any memory of where you were when
you heard that John F. Kennedy was assassinated, text me
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that story at five six, six nine zero, and I'm
going to share some of them on the air over
the course of the show. Let me do a few
of them right now. By the way, I want to
note I have close to I have close to one
hundred answers on responses on this already.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
So I was in mister.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Hedges English class as an eighth grader at Hill Junior
High here in Denver. My parents came and got me
at kindergarten. We went to a restaurant and sat. They
didn't understand what was really happening. I was in grade school.
The teacher called was called out of the classroom. When
he came back, he said, let us pray. That's how
we found out about President Kennedy. I remember my dad
closed his drug store that day. He was a staunch
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Republican but revered the office of the president. He also
took us to the rotunda in Washington, d c. To
walk past the casket as it lay in state.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
I was about six years old, Ross I was a
sophomore biology class. I was in biology class in.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
High school when someone came into the room and told
us that Kennedy had been shot. There was such a
time of everybody coming together in sadness. A person will
never forget where they were when that was announced. I
was two months old when JFK was assassinated. My mother said,
I cried the entire day, as if I knew it
was a tragic day. Ross I was five. I remember
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my parents being glued to the television.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
I was a.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Junior in high school and was in Latin class when
they announced it over the PA system. We were all
sent home. Ross I was in fourth grade. They made
an announcement and many kids cried. I was in second
grade in elementary school. We were in class and the
principal came over the loud speaker and told us ross
I was six. Mom was giving me a ride to
kindergarten in North Denver. She pulled into Holy Family Catholic Church.
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We went in, knelt down and prayed. Mom cried a
great deal which I hadn't ever seen. I was a
student nurse scrubbed in for surgery. They announced it in
the operating room during the procedure. Gosh, I wouldn't have
done that. I was in my high school mechanical drawing class.
I remember it to this day. Ross I was a
second grader out at recess, a teacher ran out of
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the school building screaming and crying for us all to
come inside. A very vivid memory. Please share your stories
with me at five six six nine zero. I know
it's a pretty intense topic, but it was sixty one
years ago, and I hope that it's something we can
talk about without being too sad right now. The other
thing I would mention, although Donald Trump is not currently
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the president of the United States, just think how close
we got to stories like that from two apparent assassination
tempts that were only shots fired at one of them.
And of course, in that one, a bullet struck Donald
Trump in his ear, only because he turned his head
moments earlier to decide to look at a chart that
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was up on a video screen. If he had not
turned his head, we would have this generation's John F.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Kennedy. Well we're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
We're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Name that tune in a little over an hour and
ezactly will get to play for the first time. I
want to share with you a couple of good news stories,
one a kind of local good news story, one an
international good news story, and then we'll come back. I'm
still collecting your texts. I'm well over one hundred texts
now on the question of where were you when you
heard that John F. Kennedy was assassinated if you are
of an age that you have a memory of that,
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so please keep those coming at five six, six nine zero,
well over one hundred responses so far, and I really
appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
So okay. The local good news story is.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
That the Colorado Department of Transportation has announced that starting
that today, as of today, work is going to stop.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
On this.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Veil Pass Auxiliary Lanes project. So done, done for the winter,
and I'm looking at the Denver Gazette. They say the
three hundred million dollar project aims to improve safety and
traffic flow in both directions on I seventy at west
Vale Pass. One major improvement coming next year is a
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dedicated eastbound lane for slow moving vehicles climbing Veil Pass.
And in any case, this particular project is going to
be paused for the rest of the winter. They have
also resurfaced the eastbound lanes between mile markers one seventy
nine five and so on. In any case, it's going
to be a little bit easier, or let's say, a
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little bit less more difficult, if that makes any sense,
to get out to the mountains this year. So there's
a little there's a little gift for us. And then
the other story, which is actually much more important, even
though it probably will never nah, maybe not never, but
almost never impact anybody who's listening to me right now.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
I think this is a fabulous story.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
The World Health Organization has certified Egypt as malaria free,
and I'm quoting from the World Health Organization's website, marking
a significant public health milestone for a country with more
than one hundred million inhabitants. The achievement follows a nearly
one hundred year effort by the Egyptian government and people
to end the disease that's been present in the country
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since ancient times. The Director General of the WHO says
malaria is as old as Egyptian civilization itself, but the
disease that plagued Pharaohs now belongs to history and not.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
To its future. The certification of Egypt is malaria free
is truly historic and a testament to the commitment.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Of the people and government of Egypt or rid themselves
of this ancient scourge. I congratulate Egypt. YadA YadA, YadA.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
All right.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Egypt is the third country in the who's Eastern Mediterranean
region to be certified as malaria free. The other two
are the United Arab Emirates and Morocco. And you know, Egypt, obviously,
you've got the Nile River, and nearer the Nile, you've
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got lots of tributaries and lots of water and sometimes
standing water, and on these are areas where mosquitoes can
live and breed and so on. So to be able
to eliminate malaria from a country like that, with a
population like that.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
I don't think most Americans know just how deadly malaria is.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
You know, people think of malaria as the thing. All right,
you get it, and you take some medicine.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
And you'll be uncomfortable for a while, and then you'll
probably be okay.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
But for poor people.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
In poor countries who don't have access to good treatment,
and especially kids, area causes In particular, it causes diarrhea.
I know it's a little gross, but what happens is
if you have it and you get that symptom, you
lose all the water from your body because of the diarrhea,
and you die of dehydration and malaria is I haven't
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looked recently, but it might be the single biggest killer
as far as diseases go in the world in Africa.
It wouldn't surprise me. So anyway, I think that's just
fantastic news.
Speaker 4 (47:31):
And oh, I see in this article the Aswan Damn.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Now, if you traveled with me and other KOA listeners
to Egypt right earlier this year, if you did that trip,
you saw the Aswan dam We went there. By creating
the Aswan Damn, they created this whole, this massive lake.
It's hard to describe how unbelievably enormous it is, but
it created lots more standing water and more.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Breeding grounds for mosquitoes.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
To doing that thing that they really needed to do
for other reasons, increased this other risk.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
And that was nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
So in any case, this has been a problem for
Egypt for a long time, and.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
I'm very glad that it's They are now malaria free.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
And by the way, as I mentioned earlier, if you
want to do a trip with me, there's two seats
left for the Galapagos trip this coming March. You can
learn more at rosstrip dot com, ross trip dot com
will be right back. I'm looking forward to the Broncos
beating the Raiders this weekend, and then the following Monday
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Night will be the the Cleveland Browns will be here
in Denver, and I will be on the sidelines of
that game doing the parabolic microphones for koa's coverage.
Speaker 4 (48:46):
On the Monday night game.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
And because I am a lazy person, I'm taking the
next day off. Well it's not, actually it's not because
I'm lazy. So here's what's going on for that Monday
night game. A friend of mine, who is a lifelong
Cleveland brown fan, is going to come in and do
the other and and do the microphones with me. So
it's gonna be me and a friend of mine with
the the Broncos Browns game. And he's flying into town
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just to do that. So I'm gonna hang out with
him for for the evening and I'll be taking that
Tuesday off.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
So there you go. Uh.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
A bunch of people are texting me stuff about vaccines
and read this book and read that book.
Speaker 4 (49:23):
And I just want to give a quick comment.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
First of all, most stuff that you hear from anti
vaccine people is based on literally no science at all, Okay,
I've told the story. I'm not I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna tell it again, just in the interest of time.
But the origin of the story that vaccines cause autism
was an outright fraud by a British doctor who was
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an investor in a company that was trying to make
a different vaccine, so he made up data to make
it looked like the vaccine he was comparing to cause autism.
It wasn't just a bad analysis of real data. It
was completely fraudulent data, and it was all made up,
and the article was eventually retracted and the British medical
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authorities revoked that guy's medical license. So it all started
from fraud, and anything you hear.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
I'm just gonna I'm gonna state this with a high
degree of confidence.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Anything you hear about vaccines causing autism.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Is a lie.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
Okay, that's it. As I said earlier, it doesn't mean
that it's.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Impossible for somebody to be harmed by a vaccine. It's
just exceedingly rare, exceedingly rare, And we're talking about vaccines
that prevent illness and death among millions and millions and millions.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
Of people every year.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
And if you could find a few people a year
who are actually harmed by these vaccine I'd be surprised.
I'm not talking about the COVID vaccines. I don't have
enough information on that, but RFK was anti vas before
COVID and it's all lies.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Also all the stuff about you know, it's harmful to
kids or potentially harmful to kids for them to get
two or three or four vaccines on one appointment. There's
also no data to support that. And you know it's
weird to me. Okay, I've told you this story before.
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I was at some I think libertarian kind of conference.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
I don't remember what the event.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
Was, and they had a doctor who was speaking about
vaccine stuff.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
And now this is a long time.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Ago, okay, I'm talking about probably fifteen twenty years ago.
And I remember it was a woman doctor, I don't
remember her name. She's not just practicing in.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
An office, but a researcher.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
And she said that they tried to look at all
kinds of data points and correlations in society to see
what correlated best with a location having a high percentage
of their children being unvaccinated, and they tried to be
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very creative and look at all the whatever different things
they could think of, and what they found was the
thing with the highest correlation to unvaccinated children was the
presence of a Whole Foods in their area.
Speaker 4 (52:31):
In other words, so.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Remember Whole Foods was a place that initially only really
only liberals shopped at. It was really a place that
was attractive for virtue signaling liberals who incorrectly thought that
organic food was better for them and there, and they
were willing to pay more for it, and conservatives weren't
buying it. What's happened in recent years is that a
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lot of the it's kind of flipped and now more
liberals are getting their kids vaccinated and more conservatives aren't.
And I actually think that the COVID thing in particular,
which made a lot of conservatives not just skeptical of
COVID vaccines but wrongly skeptical of vaccines generally, have caused
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a lot of people who are on the political right
or the Trump right or whatever to not vaccinate their kids,
and a lot of liberals who otherwise might not have
vaccinated their kids because they live in this world that
vaccines are put out by big drug companies and big
drug drug companies are willing to hurt people to make
a dollar. And we can debate whether any of that's true,
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but that was the world the liberals lived in, and
today said, no, I don't trust the drug companies, and
therefore I'm not going to get my kid vaccinated. What's
been happening since then, since then, I think, is that
liberals are saying, I think that, you know, these conservatives
or these maga people who are becoming anti vacs are
so dumb that I'm just going to do whatever the
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opposite of what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (54:05):
And therefore, even though I might not ordinarily want.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
To get my kid vaccinated, I'm going to do it
just to not seem like I'm one of those maga people.
Speaker 4 (54:14):
And it's all moronic.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
And it all should be based on what is the
data say, and what's best for the healthier kid, And
in almost every single circumstance, what is best for the
healthier kid is getting the having your kid get the vaccine,
and getting it on the recommended schedule. There is not
data to suggest that you do anything good for your
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kid by, for example, spreading the vaccines out.
Speaker 4 (54:39):
Over a longer period of time. So that's just the
point I want to make. We're good, so.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
People please don't There's very little point in sending me,
you know, go read this book, or go read this
author or whatever. Most of the people who write books
about health stuff are just trying to sell their own
system or their own products, their own whatever. And I'm
not saying that they have to be wrong. It's possible
they're right about something. It's possible that their products are
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good or useful for whatever the thing is that they're
talking about. But more often than not, they're probably wrong,
and they're just trying to sell you something. And it's fine.
You can decide whether to buy it or not.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
But don't don't try to tell me to read it.
Here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
It's possible that a doctor will write something about public health,
or about vaccines, or.
Speaker 4 (55:29):
About something that is somewhat.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Different from the current thinking, and it's possible they could
be right. But my issue is I am not in
a position to test the data. I'm not in a
position to test the hypothesis, and therefore I'm not going
to waste my time reading the book. What I hope
is that scientists whose job it is to do the
research and keep US healthy and people at FDA or
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HHS or whoever it's going to be, and maybe it'll
be RFK, and maybe it'll.
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Be somebody else.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
I hope that they who do have access to the
data and the laboratories and the scientists. I hope that
they do the research to test claims. And you know what,
if they do good research and they say, you know
this is better or that is better, and here's the data, cool,
show me the data, I'll change my mind.
Speaker 4 (56:21):
So far, I have yet in the twenty.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
Something years that I have been thinking about and reading
about vaccines, I have yet to find anything that has
any credible evidence that vaccines as a category are harmful.
And again put aside the COVID vaccine, it's a different conversation,
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but all the other stuff that RFK was trying to
talk people out of for all those years. I have
no reason to think that there is a systemic problem there.
And I think most people who claim there is are
liars and grifters or gullible people, people who you know,
aren't really in that business but want to believe bad things.
Speaker 4 (57:05):
It's shocking how many people there are.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
On the left and the right who want to believe
bad things about fill in the blank, and there do
tend to be political divides. Right, the left wants to
believe bad things about what military contractors and weapons producers,
and the left used to be the ones who wanted
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to believe bad things about the pharmaceutical industry. Now the
right wants to believe bad things about the pharmaceutical industry.
And there's almost any massive industry you can name. There
will be some people who want to hate it, and
they're allowed to want to hate it.
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And you should be.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Open to new data and new information, but don't be
don't have a mind that's so open that your brain
falls out.
Speaker 4 (57:54):
And we all wait too much of that. And I'm
not going along with it.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
Don't waste your time or mine by texting me and saying,
read such and such a book by such and such
a person about this medical issue. I'm not gonna read it.
Speaker 4 (58:10):
It's not because I'm not interested.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
It's because I am not in a position to test
their claim. And their claim is probably wrong, but even
if it's right, I'm not in a position to test it.
So I'm gonna let people read those things who are
in a position to test it. And until then, I
don't care. All right, let me switch gears. This is
a very long piece. I'm gonna share with you as
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much as I can, and normally with a piece this long,
I wouldn't share all of it, but I'm gonna try
to because it's so important. This is an op ed
from two days ago in the Wall Street Journal by
Elon Musk and Vivic Ramaswami, the two guys who have
been tasked by Donald Trump to run a new organization
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to try to find ways to make government more efficient
and cut weight and so on.
Speaker 4 (59:01):
And it's a long piece, but it's incredibly important.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
So I'm going to share with you as much as
I have time for right here, and maybe I'll comment
a little bit as we go through it. And this,
by the way, is up on the blog at Rosskiminsky
dot com. And I believe I put a gift link
for this article so that you can read it yourself
without needing a subscription to the Wall Street Journal. All right,
it should be in my blog at Rosskiminsky dot com
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along with everything else I'm talking about today. More than
everything else, there's so much stuff I plan to get
to today.
Speaker 4 (59:29):
That I'm not even going to get to it's always
like that.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
So I hope you'll go to Rosskiminsky dot com every
day that I have a show, right, which is basically
every weekday except when I'm on vacation or on my.
Speaker 4 (59:38):
Very rare sick day.
Speaker 1 (59:40):
I've got this up there, and I think is a
fabulous distillation of Keynews stories of the day, the stuff
that's most important, and then other stuff that is i'd
say important, maybe not most, but very interesting, and things
you might not hear in your regular sources of news.
So go to Rosskiminsky dot com and check that out
every All, right, here we go. This is Elon Muskin
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vivic rama.
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Swamp.
Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Our nation was founded on the basic idea that the
people we elect run the government.
Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
This isn't how America functions today.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Though, most legal edicts aren't laws enacted by Congress, but
rather rules and regulations promulgated by unelected.
Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Bureaucrats, tens of thousands of them each year.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Most government enforcement decisions and discretionary expenditures aren't made by
the democratically elected president or even as political appointees, but
by millions of unelected, unappointed civil servants within government agencies
who view themselves as immune from firing thanks to civil
service protections. This is anti democratic and antithetical to the
founder's vision. It imposes massive direct and indirect costs on taxpayers. Thankfully,
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we have a historic opportunity to solve the problem. On
November fifth, voters decisively elected Donald Trump with a mandate
for sweeping change, and they deserve to get it. President
Trumps asked the two of us again. This is Musk
and Ramaswami writing to lead a newly formed Department of
Government Efficiency to cut the federal government down to size.
The entrenched and ever growing bureaucracy represents an existential threat
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to our republic, and politicians have embedded it.
Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
For too long.
Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
That's why we're doing things differently. We are entrepreneurs, not politicians.
We will serve as outside advisors, not federal officials or employees.
Unlike government commissions or advisory committees. We won't just write
reports or cut ribbons. We will cut costs. We are
assisting the Trump transition team to identify and hire a
lean team of small government crusaders, including some of the
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sharpest technical and legal minds in America.
Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
We will work closely with the White House Office of
Management and Budget.
Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
We will advise the DOGE, the DOGE, the Department of
Governmental Efficiency at every step to pursue three major kinds
of reform. Regulatory recisions that means eliminating rules, administrative reductions
that means firing people, and cost savings. We will focus
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particularly on driving change through executive action based on existing legislation,
rather than by passing new laws. Let me interject here,
I think that's how they have to do it because
the Republicans only have fifty three to forty seven.
Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
Edge in the Senate.
Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
And while there are things that can be done in
terms of cutting spending going through what's called a reconciliation
process that does not require sixty votes in the Senate
to overcome a filibuster, most things will require that. And furthermore,
the Republicans have a very narrow majority in the House.
We don't actually know the size of the majority yet,
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we just know there will be one, but there are
some races that are still not called. But any case,
it will be a fairly small majority. And there are
some what you might call squishy Republicans who are representing
districts one by Kamala Harris or you know, blue leaning districts,
even moderate districts who might not go along with aggressive
cost cutting, and therefore it's far from clear that you
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could actually pass.
Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Laws to do what needs to be done.
Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Now, you know what, I'm going to just back away
from the text of the article for a minute. The
article is quite long, and hopefully I'll get back to
it and share with you a little more. But I
want to make a point just from my perspective, the
stuff they're talking about doing desperately needs to be done.
Musk and Ramaswami are one hundred percent right that the
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fact that we have so so many rules that are
promulgated by government agencies people who are not elected. In fact,
the Biden administration has the most ever of any administration
of what is defined as economically significant rules, that is,
rules regulations that will cost businesses and the economy.
Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
At least one hundred million dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
That's not even very much money, one hundred million dollars
a year, right, There are lots of very big companies
that will take on their own, you know, their own
expense of one hundred million dollars a year. But we're
now we're talking about around three hundred of them put
out by just the Biden administration. And it's harmful to
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American growth and American incomes and American quality of life.
And it's the kind of thing that turns us into Europe.
And I know a lot of people think about Europe
as this wonderful thing all I'd like to be so cultured.
But you got to remember, Europeans on average, have a
significantly lower standard of living than Americans do on average,
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significantly lower. Their incomes are lower, their freedom is less,
the choices you have at the supermarket are less. Your
ability to get rich based on your own entrepreneurial creativity is.
Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Much much less.
Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
It's like a regulatory wet blanket stifling the economy and
the growth of Western Europe.
Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
We don't want to become that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
So everything that Musk and Ramaswami are talking about needs
to be done.
Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
And there is no but this or but that. Right.
Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
I'm one hundred percent with them, one hundred percent, and
I wish them great success. Now, let me just get
back to a little bit of the article here. When
the president nullifies thousands of improperly implemented regulations, critics will
allege executive overreach. In fact, it will be correcting the
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executive overreach of thousands of regulations promulgated by administrative fiat
that were never authorized by Congress. The President owes lawmaking
deference to Congress, not to bureaucrats deep within federal agencies.
Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
The use of executive orders to substitute.
Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
For lawmaking by adding and some new rules is a
constitutional affront.
Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
But the use of executive orders.
Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
To roll back regulations that wrongly bypassed Congress is a
legitimate and necessary approach to comply with the Supreme Court's
recent mandates. And after those regulations are fully rescinded, a
future president couldn't simply flip the switch and revive them,
but would instead have to ask Congress to do so.
Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
Now, I think that in theory they are right.
Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
I think in practice they are overly optimistic. I think
that if President Trump uses executive actions to roll back
improperly implemented regulations regulations created by the executive branch agencies,
you will have all kinds of special interest groups suing immediately,
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and then you're going to end up in a situation
where the main thing that's often used is called the
Administrative Procedures Act and it requires that rulemaking goes through
a certain kind of process and common period and all
of that.
Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
And what Musk and Ramaswami seem to.
Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Be arguing is that when rules are improperly implemented to
begin with, a president should not need to go through
a process like that to simply repeal a rule that
should never have been made. This will go to court,
and for sure there will be courts that rule against
this approach, and the question will eventually show up at
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the Supreme Court.
Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
And the question at the Supreme.
Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Court will be does the president have the authority to
ignore the Administration of Administrative Procedures Act the APA in
any situation where changing government regulations, such as eliminating regulations
that shouldn't have already existed.
Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
The other thing that I'd say where Musk and.
Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Ramaswami are a little bit too optimistic is if they
think that Donald Trump is going to be able to
get rid of a whole bunch of stuff by executive order.
And I hope he can, but that a future president
can't use executive action to then just undo what Trump
did and reinstate the orders. I guarantee you the next
Democratic president will try to do just that, and that
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will all end up in court as well.
Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
So in this particular.
Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Aspect, I hope Musk and Ramaswami are right about how
it can play out, but I'm not confident that it
will play out the way they think it should.
Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
I hope they're right. I hope they're right.
Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
And this is a very different kind of Supreme Court
than we had just several years, just five years ago,
very very different.
Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
So we'll see Musk and Ramaswami say we have a
historic opportunity for structural reductions in the federal government.
Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
We are prepared. We are prepared for the onslaught from
entrenched interests in Washington. We expect to prevail. I think,
however prepared you are for that onslaught, you're never prepared enough.
Just a little less than an hour left together today,
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I just I don't know how I realized this. I
probably heard it mentioned somewhere this morning, and I didn't
have it on the my so called show sheet to
talk about. But then this day in history, right sixty
one years ago today, John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas.
And I've got well over one hundred now responses from
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listeners on the text line at five six six nine zero.
I asked, I asked, if you're old enough to have
a memory of where you were that day, tell me
your story at five six six nine zero. And I'm
going to share some of those with you in a second.
The first thing I want to do here is share
a little bit of audio.
Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
This is from the CBC.
Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
This is the Canadian Broadcasting Company and it is about
thirty seconds long, and I think you'll hear something interesting
at the end of this.
Speaker 9 (01:10:06):
Here are the news bulletin from the CBC Television News Service.
President Kennedy is reported to be fighting for his life
in a Dallas hospital, but reports conflict. CBS says he
is dead. Here is a picture of the president. You've
seen the picture of the president just before. Is that
he was shot in the limousine in Dallas, Texas. Mister
Kennedy was struck in the head. The Governor of Texas,
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John Connolly, was shot in the back and reported the
American Vice President Lyndon Johnson was also shot, but he
is not in serious condition in an emergency operation. That
was a bulletin from the CBC Television News Service.
Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
Isn't that interesting? They reported?
Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
That Lyndon Johnson was shot, but Lyndon Johnson, Lyndon Johnson
wasn't shot.
Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
I thought that was kind of fat. I mean, it's
sort of like the fog of war, right, It's kind
of like the fog of war.
Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Actually, before I get I'll come back to your answers
in a second. I wanted to share this with you.
This is a story.
Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
Oh I hope this is going to let me let
me read the story.
Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
I hit it when it does this, So let me
just make sure I can get this going here.
Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
Just stick with me here for a second.
Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
I know it's semi professional radio, but I really want
to really want to get this story to you if
I can.
Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Okay, I think I got it. I think I got
it going now.
Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
So this is on the website of the New York
Daily News, and it's an article from six and.
Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
A half years ago, which I just found.
Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
This morning as I was doing a little research on,
you know, this day in history and the Kennedy assassination.
So this is, ironically enough, from a reporter at the
New York Daily News named Helen Kennedy.
Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
Hours after John F.
Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Kennedy was assassinated a jumpy secret service agent came within
seconds of accidentally shooting new President Lyndon Johnson point blank
in the chest, the agent reveals in a new book.
Standing in the darkness outside Johnson's Washington mansion.
Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
At two fifteen am.
Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
On November twenty third, nineteen sixty three, So that would
have been twelve or fourteen hours after Kennedy was killed,
Agent Gerald Blaine blai and he heard footsteps.
Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
We were still emotionally in shock over the assassination. It
had been well over forty hours since we'd slept. We
didn't know if it was a conspiracy or what to expect.
Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
Mister Blaine told The Daily News.
Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
He activated the bolt on his Thompson submachine gun and
put it to his shoulder, making a huge sound in
the night that Blaine said he hoped would scare off
an intruder, But the steps kept coming, and suddenly, from
around the corner came a figure. Blaine had the gun
pointed at the man's chest and was about to fire
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when he recognized the new president. Blaine said, I swear
he turned white. He had just walked out for a
breath of air. He hadn't told anyone when Kennedy left
the house, he would notify the command post. For a
long moment in the shadows, LBJ and the agent looked
at each other, Blaine said quote, then he turned around
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and went back into the house. He didn't say anything.
I think he understood he had no business being out there.
Blaine said that LBJ never mentioned the incident, but mister
Blaine himself lived with knowing he came one fingerslip from changing.
Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
History and a mistake that would have had an.
Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Incalculable effect on an already traumatized and grieving nation. Mister
Blaine said, I had nightmares. I had them for years afterwards.
If I had shot him, they would still be pumping
sunshine through me and mister Blaine wrote his memoirs in
a book called The Kennedy Detail, which was published back
then in twenty eighteen. He spent three years, Mister Blaine
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spent three years guarding Kennedy, traveling with him through Europe
and Central America, and of course Massachusetts where he's from,
and Palm Beach, Florida, and so on wherever, wherever he
wherever he traveled. He also said, I saw a lot
of bloodshed because he I guess, I guess he fought
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in World War Two maybe anyway, he said, I saw
a lot of bloodshed, but Kennedy's death was something I
just couldn't resolve. And uh, and then I think I'll
I think I'll leave it. I'll leave it there. But
that's quite a story, isn't it quite a story. I'll
say what I'm gonna I'm gonna hold your reactions or
your stories about where you were until the next segment
of the show, probably, And I'm just gonna take a
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minute here on something that I know was covered on
Kowa News this morning. I think I heard Pat Woodard
mention it. Uh, the trial of an Aurora dentist, and
I guess I'll use his name. I My rule is
I don't ever name mass murderers. Right if somebody kills
one person, I guess I can name him or not.
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It's His name is James Craig. He's forty five years old,
he was a dentist. He's a father of six, and
I met the Denver Gazette for this. He's charged with
first degree murder and three counts of campering with evidence
after the death of his wife, Angela, And the short
version is that he poisoned her and with something called tetra.
Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
Hydrasolen and cyanide.
Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
The Arapaho County Corner at the time said that missus
Craig had more than four hundred times the amount of
tetrahydrosylene in her body than you would ever use for
a therapeutic dose. She died at University Hospital after multiple
visits to emergency rooms complaining of everything from dizziness and
vertigo to lightheadedness.
Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
On March fifteenth of last year, she went into the er.
Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
She collapsed, She was put on a ventilator, and she
was pronounced braindead that night and taking off life support
on March eighteenth. The affidavit for James Craig's arrest said
his dental practice was spiraling downward and he was starting
up a relationship with a Texas or an Honest, I
don't know if that means a romantic relationship.
Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
I guess it does, but I don't really know.
Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
In any case, his trial has now been delayed a
third time, and the reason is that his lawyer, who
is a very very very big shot lawyer in Denver
named Harvey Steinberg. All right, Harvey Steinberg is one of
the biggest players in you know, criminal defense in the
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state of Colorado. So yesterday Harvey Steinberg withdrew from the
case just before they were supposed to begin jury selection,
and he gave two reasons.
Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
I'm quoting now, the client.
Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Persists in a course of action involving the lawyer's services
that the lawyer reasonably believes is criminal or fraudulent. So
the lawyer believes that the criminal that his client is
committing crimes right now, and of course the lawyer is
not allowed to abet crimes.
Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
And then the other one, the client is.
Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
This this on taking action that the lawyer considers repugnant
or with which the lawyer has a.
Speaker 4 (01:17:04):
Fundamental disagreement in any case.
Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
So this big shot criminal defense attorney says, this defendant
is so bad that I can't defend him anymore. I'm
guessing James Craig is going to get life in prison
when he eventually gets a trial.
Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
But we'll see.
Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Thanks for spending some time with me. Sixty one years
ago today, John F. Kennedy was assassinated. There are so
many theories out there. I'm not one of these people
who has spent a lot of time thinking about you know,
did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone and all this stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
I have no idea, and lots and lots of people
find those questions truly fascinating and I just don't care
very much.
Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
But what I do think is actually quite interesting. There's
a lot of stuff out there.
Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
The government has classified information about the Kennedy assassination that
was supposed to have been decol classified years ago, even
during the Trump administration, and it hasn't been that.
Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
This is my understanding. I could be wrong. This is
my understanding. I think. I think that's a little odd.
I wonder if.
Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
The president says you're go declassify this stuff and then
it doesn't get declassified. Somebody must have said to him,
there's a reason we're not declassifying this stuff, and would
you please be quiet about it? And I, assuming that's
what's going on, I think that's interesting and a little odd.
And I don't know, you know, I don't know what
it's about. That to me, that's the that's the interesting part.
I want to share a few more listener texts, so
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I just I love these stories about.
Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
You know, my listener's actual lives.
Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
So the question was where if you're old enough to
have a memory, of where you were when JFK was
was shot?
Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
What do you remember?
Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
And so I'm just going to go through a few
listener texts here share some of these stories with you.
I was in the second grade when Kennedy was shot.
Two years previous, my father, who looked like he could
be Kennedy's brother, passed away. As a little kid seeing
this redheaded eye irishman who's the father of our country,
had a very special place in my heart. When he
was shot, I was devastated as a seven year old.
It was like losing my father all over again. Wow,
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let's see.
Speaker 4 (01:19:12):
I was in It was lunchtime. I was in the
fourth grade.
Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Some kids lived close enough to go home, and a
little boy ran in shouting the president was shot.
Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
The teacher scolded him for saying such a thing, and
then we learned the truth.
Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
A black and white TV was wheeled in and we
watched the rest of the day.
Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
Ross.
Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
I was standing on the playground at lunch outside my
fifth grade classroom when our teacher called us all inside
to watch TV. Absolutely unheard of, and then after we
were all shocked into silence and nobody went back outside.
Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
Wow, let's see, let's see let's see, there's just so
so many. Make sure I have this right.
Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
My dad was twenty four and working in the meter
shop at a southern California gas company.
Speaker 4 (01:19:59):
He drove a fourth in tandem with another guy.
Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
As they passed each other in their daily tasks, the
other guy would set up a joke as they passed
each other. The next time, the other guy would give
the punchline. On this day, sixty.
Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
One years ago, they passed each other and the other
guy said.
Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Did you hear Kennedy was shot? My dad thought this
was a very odd joke, but awaited the punchline on
their next passing. Unfortunately, there was no punchline. I was
three years old and my mom was crying. She grabbed
me and my younger brother and ran down the street
to our friend's house. I can still see it in
my mind's eye. It will never go away. Ross I
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was four years old when JFK was assassinated. I was
in my room being punished and had no dinner.
Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
What a scar it left on me.
Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Mom and dad were glued to the TV, and I
had no idea what was going on?
Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
All right?
Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
That was an unusual story. When JFK was shot. I
was in first grade. I remember walking down the hall
to the buses and teachers at their classroom doors crying,
waiting for their students turn to go to the buses
to go home.
Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Early.
Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
I was in seventh grade in English class and the
principal came in on, came on the PA system and
told us they sent us home, and I.
Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
Cried all the way.
Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
I was a fifth grader at Saban Elementary School in
Southwest Denver. They cut us loose and we walked home
and my mother hadn't heard yet as we came into
the house. We were watching TV for the next five days.
Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
Wow. One more.
Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
I was in sixth grade. We were working on a
math worksheet. Somebody came in and handed the teacher a note.
She slammed her palm on the desk. That terrified us,
and she told us our president had been killed. All
our parents came to get us. My mom had a
long way to travel and I was one of the
last ones at school. I was crying, and then she
pulled up to the school and then I saw Jack
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Ruby shot on live TV.
Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
It was a lot for a twelve year old. It
shook us all to the core.
Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
But remember then came Bobby and Martin and Medgar evers.
Speaker 4 (01:22:07):
It felt never ending. Wow, I literally have eighty.
Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
More of these or something that I'm not going to
be able to have time to get to today. But
I just very very much want to thank you for
I've read many, many of them. I've read almost all.
I just don't have time to share them all on
the show, but thank.
Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
You so much.
Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
I always love the interactions and your stories, so I'm
very very grateful for that. We're going to take a
quick break and come back and I don't know what
we'll do. We'll have some fun together for our last
few minutes together this week, and we'll do name that tune.
Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
Happy Friday. I'm ross thanks for spending a little time
with me.
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Would be a fabulous present for yourself or you and
your spouse, right, I think that would be just wonderful.
Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
All right, let me do a few little random stories here.
Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
So I saw this headline at the Associated Press three hundred.
Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
And forty four dollars for a coffee. Scottish farm is.
Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Selling UK's most expensive cup, and I thought, well, that
seems a little silly.
Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
You know, sometimes the.
Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Restaurants will put out like some insanely you know, a
a burger that literally has gold on it or something
right like that, right, and it'll be thousands of dollars
and maybe they'll sell one a year or maybe not,
but it gets their name in the news and it's
kind of a flashy thing.
Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
And okay, I get it. I don't you know, I
don't drink coffee, so you know, I wouldn't spend three bucks.
Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
For a cup of coffee, much less three hundred dollars
for a cup of coffee. But as I read this
story more, I actually like this story. I'm very I'm
actually I'm very impressed with the guy.
Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
Who's doing this.
Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
So let me just share a little this with you
because I really like it. It's it's clever, it's entrepreneurial.
These these kinds of stories make me make me happy.
So again, this is a dairy in Scotland, and I'm
sure I'm going to pronounce the name wrong, but it's
like most gel M O S S G I E
L mosquee organic dairy.
Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
So they had this dairy had a bunch of had
a lot of financial trouble and.
Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
I think was a son took over from his father
some years ago and they need to raise money. So
what they're actually doing that caused this headline of a
three hundred and forty four dollars cup of coffee.
Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
What they're actually.
Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Doing is they are selling shares of stock in the
dairy for I think it's something like ten dollars a share,
and if you buy at least thirty four shares, then
they'll give you.
Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
A certificate for a coffee.
Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Over there, they call it a flat white, a double
shot of espresso topped with a layer of steamed milk
and a little fleeting work of foam art as they
put it, is that is that a lot? I don't
know what that is? What's that called an American coffee drinking?
I don't drink coffee? The double shot of espresso topped
with a layer of steamed milk?
Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
And then yeah, what is that? Is that a machiato?
Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
No, but machiato has other stuff in it?
Speaker 4 (01:26:10):
Is it a cappuccina? No? I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
Can someone tell me please? Or you just call it
a flat white in America too? I don't think so,
because my yeah, that's what we need to look up, Zach.
What's the American name for a flat white coffee? Look
that up and tell me.
Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
What the answer is. I don't drink coffee.
Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
I don't know anyway, So you buy thirty four shares
of stock in this farm, you get a certificate for
this coffee and then you can take the certificate to
one of the coffee shops in Scotland that use milk
from this particular dairy.
Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
And I just think that's so clever.
Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
Because nobody's gonna go buy the shares just to get.
Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
A cup of coffee. But what does it get.
Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
It gets them in the news, it gets that associated
press headline, it gets me talking about it. Now, I'm
not probably talking to too many people in Scotland right now,
you know. I know KOA has a big reach, but
I don't think Scotland is really quite where.
Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
We got a lot of p ones. But anyway, before launching.
Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
The coffee promotion, mister Cunningham had already raised more than
a third of the three hundred thousand pounds he's seeking
from small investors, as he uses that as collateral towards
a nine hundred thousand pounds loan that he will help
him double operations and expand out of Scotland and get
into coffee shops in London and other such places. And
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if you're a shareholder you will get other things like
farm tours and delivery discount milk delivery discounts and invitations
to special events and of course investors are also given
the standard warning that they could lose some or all
of the money they invest, but at least they will
have had that cup of coffee.
Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
This farm, this is about twenty five miles south of Glasgow.
Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Was worked in the eighteenth century by the poet Robert Burns,
the guy who wrote ald Lang Sign and many other
well known works. Burns is considered the national poet of Scotland.
He wrote while working in the fields there for two years,
and his face is on each glass bottle of milk
that comes out of this dairy.
Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
What you got, Zach. It's called the same thing over here.
It's a flat white.
Speaker 10 (01:28:10):
It's just not a common enough drink, I guess, but
they everything I can find is that Americans call it.
Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
Flat whites too. Really. Yeah, I'll keep looking, but that's
all I can find right now.
Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Okay, all right, maybe some coffee drinker can tell us
if that's the definitive answer anyway. I the reason I
liked this story is it's a really clever way for
a small businessman who's not famous and don't doesn't have
a marketing budget to do some big crowdfunding.
Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
Thing to get his name in the news, to.
Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Do something catchy, you know, I go, what can I
do to bring some attention to the fact that I'm
trying to raise a few hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
I'm gonna give as.
Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
A I'm gonna give investors a bonus of a cup
of coffee with our milk, and then we'll talk about
it as if people are paying three hundred and forty
four dollars for.
Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
A cup of coffee that has our milk, because that's
how good our milk is.
Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Anyway, there's nothing more for me to say about that.
I'm not like I'm gonna invest or anything, but I
just think it's a cool story because I admire the
creativity and the entrepreneurial spirits.
Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
That's what I like. Let me see if we've got
any people.
Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
Let's see flat white on this side of the pond too.
Speaker 10 (01:29:24):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (01:29:25):
This person says cafe ola.
Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
I'm not sure if which would be, you know, coffee
with milk in French. This person says something that I
will not say on the air because you probably think
that I don't know what that is. But I do
know what that is, and I am not gonna say
that on the air because that is really really gross,
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so no nice try.
Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
I might have been born at night, but not last night,
so all right. Another one. There is a local story,
kind of an economic story.
Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
This is from the Colorado Soun Excel at the power
company runs out of ev rebates and bad news slash
good news for Colorado culture and economic switch, and the
subhead is some customers are stuck without checks, but dealers
are happy about the boost and electric vehicle sales. By
the way, this is written by Michael Booth, who writes for.
Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
The Colorado Sun.
Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
I don't remember. I think maybe he used to be
at the Denver Post. I'm not sure. And the guy
is like a hardcore radical environmentalist.
Speaker 4 (01:30:26):
The reporter is anyway, he says.
Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
The bad news is that Excel Energy has spent all
of the five million dollars set aside for new and
used electric vehicle purchase rebates for income qualified Colorado customers,
leaving one hundred people with rebate approvals but no checks
in the mail, and Excel doesn't plan to ask the
Commission for more money, which is funded by the company's
one and a half million one and a half million
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Colorado Energy customers under a system that needs PUC approval,
and the good news, according to Booth, is that the
reason that Excel has run out of money is that
Colorado EV shoppers snapped up and seventy six Excel rebates
for to make that total of five million dollars, many
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of them in a twenty four sales, pushed by automakers
striving to meet customer demand and the mandates of states
like Colorado requiring them to stock higher percentages of evs
for sale to help clean the air, and the head
of the Colorado Auto Dealers Association says, I think Excel
running out of money in this program is a good thing.
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It means they've been fulfilling.
Speaker 4 (01:31:37):
Their mission more efficiently than anticipated.
Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
No one expected the meteoric rise of ED adoption that
we've seen in the last twelve months.
Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
Excel has played a huge part in that. So Michael
Booth talks about this as.
Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
Good news and bad news. I think it's almost entirely
bad news now. It's I'm not saying I'm not saying
it's bad news for everybody. It's clearly good news for
the auto dealers who got to get more of these
cars off the lots that people hadn't wanted at their
original prices, and it's probably good news for Excel Energy
because they can virtue signal about how much they're doing
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to get people out of their gasoline cars and into
these evs, and then they can go do these other
things where they can again, you know, do the clean
energy or green energy or renewable energy and spend a
billion dollars and then go charge taxpayers one point two billion,
and you know, just make more money off of their
virtue signaling.
Speaker 4 (01:32:29):
But here here's the problem for me.
Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
The reason that so many cars were sold is because
there was so much free money being thrown at them,
not just Excel.
Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
Excel is actually only a small part of it.
Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
And these are income qualified customers anyway, so not everybody
who's buying an EV would have had access to this.
But right, you've got state tax credits, you've got federal
tax credits, you've got incentives from the automakers themselves, because
there hasn't been very much demand for the for EV
and you know, especially Ford has had so much trouble.
Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
I think it was I don't know when it was last.
Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
Year or last quarter, but Ford made a billion and
a half dollars in their gasoline and diesel cuts the
what's the word I'm thinking of their vehicle market just
for ordinary consumers, right, so not big heavy trucks and stuff,
but just regular vehicle market.
Speaker 4 (01:33:24):
They made a billion and a half dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
And then in their electric vehicle market like the Mustang
and the and the Ford F one fifty Lightning, they
lost a billion and a half dollars. So anyway, there
just hasn't been much demand.
Speaker 4 (01:33:40):
And so when I hear, oh, look.
Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
How great it is, like we've spent the five million dollars,
and the auto dealers are like, oh wow, people bought
lots of cars.
Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Yeah, if I tell you you can go get a
car that's not a car you really want, but you
can get it, you know, ten thousand dollars cheaper than
it otherwise would be because we're gonna subsidize it with
other people's money.
Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
The government's gonna subsidize it.
Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
With my children's future earnings, and Excel is gonna subsidize
it by raising the electricity rates on everybody who buys
power from them. Of course, people are gonna go buy
this stuff. And so to me, when when I hear
when I hear this good news bad news, things like No,
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the fact that these cars are being sold is only
because these people are being given your money and your
children's future earnings. And it's it's just, I don't know.
It's a very expensive religion. Environmentalism is a very expensive religion,
except it's not that expensive for the people participating in
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it because they get to spend other people's money on it.
All right, I'm gonna do one more story before we
get to.
Speaker 4 (01:34:57):
Need that tune.
Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
And this is a story that shocks me to the core,
absolutely the core. There's a lot of different versions of
this article. Here's a headline from the UK Daily Mail.
Lint the chocolate company l I n DT Mandy, do
you know this story? Have you seen this story about
Lint chocolate chocolate?
Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
Yeah, put her on the board.
Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
There's act so Lint concedes that it's chocolate isn't actually
quote expertly crafted with the finest ingredients.
Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
A middle lawsuit. So some people did some I know,
I know. So it's a pretty tired for this story.
So people did.
Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Some studies of chocolate bars and they found that some
of the Lint chocolate bars had higher levels than they're
supposed to have lead and cadmium whatever, Right, I know
it's chocolate that anyway, Right.
Speaker 10 (01:35:48):
Little cadmium in your diem and what's the big deal.
Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
You'll glow a little, it'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Actually, at my last check up, my doctor said I
wasn't getting enough cadmium. So I'm actually feeling pretty good
about it.
Speaker 4 (01:35:59):
But so this is this is actually the funny part
of the story.
Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
So then they get sued, you know, because there's people
looking to sue over everything, especially with labeling, right, they
get sued about it. And so in their defense they
say that, well, the stuff on our label about expertly
hand crafted with the finest ingredients is just really marketing
puffery and we.
Speaker 10 (01:36:24):
Don't acceptable marketing puffery.
Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
Puffery. And that's actually a word that came up in
the legal argument in the Cours lawsuit.
Speaker 10 (01:36:30):
There was a course lawsuit like eight years ago, and
I learned acceptable marketing puffery.
Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
I use it all the time, do you really all
the time.
Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
So they claimed it was acceptable marketing puffery and that
their stuff isn't expertly crafted, and YadA, YadA, YadA, and
a judge didn't buy it as a defense.
Speaker 4 (01:36:46):
But then the other thing that happened.
Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
Which makes this extra funny is that then people who
love Lint chocolate are saying like, well, what do you mean?
Like we always thought it was expertly crafted and had
the finest ingredients, and that's what you say. And then
and then so Lint after that said well, actually all
that stuff about not really expertly crafted with the finest ingredients.
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We only said that for the court case. We didn't
really mean it.
Speaker 4 (01:37:12):
So we lied to the court. You can believe us now, yeah,
hight on your road. But now we're doing now we're
telling the truth. That part of the story is just
so funny.
Speaker 10 (01:37:20):
Mass produced chocolate has mass produced chocolate, you know what
I'm saying. Do you think Hershey's is carefully handcrafted by
a group of oopa loopas in what's going down? You
can buy it at the supermarket. It's not hand crafted?
Come on, So you.
Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
Know, we we have these things. Mandy's show has them.
My show has them that are called spotbusters. And there
are these very very short things that are played like
during the advertising breaks where you know, you know, I
said nice there's.
Speaker 4 (01:37:52):
One like nice job Ross.
Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
And then and then Dragon says, did you just congratulate yourselves.
Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
Did you just congratulations yourself? Like, yes, I did.
Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
And that thing's like five seconds long or seven seconds long, and.
Speaker 4 (01:38:03):
It plays just to kind of keep the flow going
during the show.
Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
So I don't know for sure if this is going
to happen, but we sent over to AJ for the
potential of making a spotbuster me telling you yesterday that
Sarah Brightman said I was sexy, and you bursting out.
Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
In the biggest round of laughter I have ever heard
from you or probably anybody else. It was funny. I
did not expect that. I know, I know went out
a left field.
Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
It was out a left field, and your reaction was
the funniest part of it. So we're going to see
if we can make a spotbuster of you laughing at
the information that Sarah Brightman said I was sexy.
Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
So I'm here to help.
Speaker 10 (01:38:43):
I am here to be a part of the solution people,
not a part of the problem.
Happy to be with you this morning. As always, thanks
for your time. Appreciated whenever you spend a few minutes
of your valuable time with me. We have a lot
of stuff to do on the show today. I want
to just start with this day in history. This day
in history in nineteen sixty three. If you were watching,
(00:25):
I think it was As the World Turns, a big
time soap opera that you know, many decade long soap opera.
If you were watching As the World Turns on on
CBS News, you would have heard the show interrupted and
you would have heard this.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Here is a bulletin from CBS News in Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Three shots were fired.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
At President Kennaday's motorcade in downtown Dallas.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
The first reports.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Say that President Kennaday has been seriously wounded this shooting.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Then the television show actually continued for a little bit,
not for very long, and there was another.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Another news break.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
That's Walter Cronkite, of course, for those you old enough
to remember that voice.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
And then a.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Little bit later on, about an hour after what I
just shared with you, Walter Cronkite was back on the
air on CBS.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
From Dallas, Texas. The flash apparently official. President Kennedy died
at one pm Central Standard time two o'clock Eastern Standard time,
some thirty eight minutes ago.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
You can hear the ticker in the background the teletype.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Vice President Johnson has left the hospital in Dallas, but
we do not know to where he has proceeded. Presumably
he will be taking the oath of office shortly and
become the thirty sixth President of the United States.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
You can actually see, I mean, Walter Cronkite was only,
you know, a part of my life briefly when I
was quite young. I don't remember what year he retired,
but I didn't have much Cronkite in my life because
I'm not old enough for that. But you could see
when you watch that video, and I have it up
on my blog. Actually, if you go to Rosscominsky dot com,
you can actually see that video, and he looks emotional
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for a guy who was just you know, as straight
arrow a newsman as you can imagine, and of course
you would be emotional in that situation. So yeah, I'm
fifty sixty one years ago today, sixty one years ago today,
John F. Kennedy assassinated in Dallas, Texas. I'll have some
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other audio for you throughout the show. You know, I'll
let me ask you a quick question. For those of
you who are older than I am. You probably have
to be quite a bit older than I am, But
if you have a memory of where you were that day,
where you were when you heard the news that Kennedy
(03:04):
was killed, please text me at five sixty six nine zero.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
And share the story with me. Five six six nine zero.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Do you have a memory It happened before I was born,
But if you have a memory of when Kennedy was killed,
where you you know.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
There are these things in history.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Right A lot of people will remember where were you
when Neil Alan Armstrong walked on the moon and said one.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Giant leap for mankind? Where were you on the nine eleven,
two thousand and one attacks and so on?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
There are a few days like that in American history,
and the Kennedy assassination is surely one of them. And
so if you have any memory of that, I'd love
to hear the story. At five six six nine zero.
A little breaking news from this morning. It's not maybe
the most earth shattering development in this story, but it's
it's worth mentioning.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I'm going to go to Fox News for this.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Judge Wan Murshaan granted President elect Donald Trump's request to
file a motion to dismiss the charges in New York
versus Trump and remove the sentencing date for the president
elect from the schedule.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Very much.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
These things are not necessarily surprising, especially removing the sentencing
date because Trump and Brags stay. Trump and Bragg, being
the prosecutor, brought this nonsense case, both requested that the
judge put off the sentencing and at this point now
Trump's attorneys have until a week from Monday, December second
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to file a emotion explaining why.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
The case should be dismissed.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And once Trump and his attorneys file the motion, then
the prosecutors have a week to respond to that, and
then the judge will go read these arguments and decide
what to do. And it's gonna I think it's gonna
come down to a couple of things.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
One is.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Just how desperate is this particular judge to hurt Donald
Trump at any and all costs, even though at this
point the only possible remaining thing for Trump would be
to sentence him after he's done with the presidency, when
he's eighty two years old. Or something like that. And
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I don't know if the judge hates Trump enough to
want to put himself through that, the country through that,
the presidency through that.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
But also I think this judge.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Has done a lot of things wrong, and lawyers call
it reversible error, and there's a decent chance that some
big parts of this, maybe the whole thing, get overturned
on appeal, and this could be the judge's way out
if he's decided, especially in the aftermath of the Supreme
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Court Community case, if he's decided, If he decides, I
am so so likely to get overturned on appeal, and
I do not want that on my record, and that
to be the news, then.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Maybe I should just say, all right, based on this
and that.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Argument, whether I like it or not, the case needs
to be dismissed. Now that Trump has been elected president
of the United States. We'll see, and he hasn't said
how long he will take to give his answer, but
we will see. I'm gonna just start on a topic
here and then I'm gonna come back and continue with
it a little bit in the next segment, because it
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needs more time than the minute or so I have
right here. Mayor Mike Johnston made a remarkable comment to
Denverright a couple of days ago, and it bears mentioning,
bears mentioning, and actually Kyle Clark thought it was interesting
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enough to be worth tweeting about.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
And anyway, here's a.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Quote from the Denverright article where they interviewed Mayor Mike Johnston,
and the topic is what's Denver gonna do if and
when the Trump administration comes to deport illegal aliens, and
in particular illegal alien criminals. People have already been adjudicated deportable,
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and after those people, the priority will probably be new
illegal entrance into this country. I think I don't think
you're going to see the Trump administration deporting people who
have been here for many years and having committed crimes.
But in any case, this was the topic, and Johnston said,
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more than us having DPD, that's the Denver Police Department
stationed at the county line to keep them out. You'd
have fifty thousand Denver Rights there. It's like the Tienanmen
Square moment with the Rose and the gun right. You'd
have every one of those Highland moms who came out
for the migrants, and you don't want to mess with them.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
That's a remarkable statement.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
That statement is so remarkable that Fox News emailed me
this morning and asked me if I wanted to be
on the on uh on Fox News on Monday morning.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
To talk about it, and so I might. I might
do that with Dana Perno and.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Bill Hammer on Monday morning before coming into my show here.
It's a felony to impede.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
For federal law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You can be all the sanctuary city and sanctuary state
you want to be and decide you're not going to
cooperate handing over illegal aliens, but it's a different thing
entirely to say you're going to impede them. I've got
a little more to say about this. Keep it here
on KOA because you just played Tom Sawyer by Rush.
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What's funny is there's there's a person out there in
the listening audience who, whenever we're playing name that tune
always text in Tom Sawyer as his as his guests always.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
So we actually did it once. We did Tom Sawyer once,
just just for that person. Uh okay.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
So I mentioned a couple minutes ago that Denver Mayor
Mike Johnston made this comment about having Denver police stationed
at the county line and that there would be fifty
thousand Denver Rights waiting at the county line if the
federal government came to Denver to deport illegal aliens. Although
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to be clear, it seems that what he's talking about
is a quote unquote mass deportation. But what exactly does
that even mean? Well, Mayor Mike Johnston was on Colorado's
Morning News this morning with Marty and Gina, and Gina
just sent me a one minute clip that starts off
with Gina's.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Question to the mayor about this very thing.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
You had a quote in the Denver Rights that has
gained some traction on social media saying Denver police would
be stationed at the county line, tens of thousands of
Denver Rights would also be joining in.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
To stop federal forces out of the city. What did
you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:56):
And I think that's what I was trying to clarify,
as we have no plan for federal conflict, we have
no desire foreign conflict. But I do think what people
are not realizing is that if you're talking about one
hundred thousand people across the metro area have been here
for twenty years, if you were talking about actually deploying
the US military to show up at King Supers and
pull people out of the line in front of you,
or to show up a high school baseball game and
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pull a mom out of the crowd, or to show
up at the hospital and take a mom away from
our kid who's getting treatment. I don't think Denver rights
are going to stand by and accept that, nor do
I think residents of any part of the country would.
I mean, you think about last time we said something
like this was the internment of Japanese Americans in World
War two, and that has been a stain on this
country for eighty years, and that was a time of war,
and so you know, our Governor Ralph Karp stood up
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and oppose that that time. Then I think that the
president will find a whole set of governors and mayors
and regular citizens who would oppose that kind of round
up of residents.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
All right, So I have a couple of things to
say about this.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
First of all, comparing comparing deporting illegal aliens to rounding
up Japanese Americans during World War Two and putting them
in tournament camps is a terrible comparison. The illegal aliens
are here illegally, that Japanese Americans who were residents and many,
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very very many citizens of the United States weren't doing
anything wrong, they didn't do anything illegal, they weren't criminals,
And that whole internment camp thing truly is a stain
on this country.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
But to compare that to.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Saying somebody is in the country illegally and so we
are going to remove them, that's an insane comparison. It's
a anti it's oh my gosh, I just can't believe
how bad that is. Almost speechless. Now here's the other
thing I want to say. I realize that Donald Trump
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campaigned on some kind of mass deportation and get out
all the illegals and stuff like that. And you know what,
getting out like all or all almost all of the
illegals who came during Biden's term would be fine with
me in theory. In practice, it's impossible. Our government does
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not have the manpower to wherewithal to do anything close
to that. They are going to have their hands full
simply finding and removing illegal aliens who have committed crimes
since being in the United States. That's already a big number,
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and people who for whatever other reasons have been adjudicated
already through the legal process to portable, and they need
to go. That is going to keep the federal government's
hands full. I think passed the end of the Trump presidency,
and despite all of Trump's bluster, there is no way
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on God's green Earth that he or his team team
at ICE is actually going to make an effort to
go do mass deportations of illegal aliens who have been
here for ten years or twenty years or whatever and
are working and maybe have children who are American citizens
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and have not committed crimes. And really, people on the
left who claim they're afraid of that, like Mike Johnston,
should know better. And people on the right who actually
believed that Trump would try to do that with millions
of illegal aliens in this country also should have known better.
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When we come back doctor Keith Ablow, It's been on
TV literally a thousand times, He's written sixteen books.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Interesting guy. We're going to talk with him.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
About how he views the RFK junior and the overall
likely approach to health and medicine in the new Trump administration.
So we have a new incoming administration. The old boss
is the new boss, and I think a lot of
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people think a lot of things about what Trump administration
policy will be based on things that he has said
and done in the past. Immigration, right, this war or
that war. I think we have a pretty good sense
of what it's going.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
To be like.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I think we have a much less of a sense,
or at least a confident sense of just what health
and medical policy will be like in the Trump administration.
It wasn't something he seemed to care about very much
the first time. And as a dude who drinks a
lot of doctor pepper and eats a lot of McDonald's,
I mean him, not me, you know, it just wasn't
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his focus. And that's fine, you know, you don't have
to be focused on everything.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
But especially with the involvement of Robert F.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Kennedy Junior in the Trump campaign and now his nomination
to be Health in Human Services Secretary, it seems like
there's going to be a lot more action around that
range of issues. So joining us talk about that and
some other things as well.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Doctor Keith Ablow. Keith is a Johns.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Hopkins educated psychiatrist and he's now doing counseling and life coaching,
and we'll actually talk about his new business, which is
called for Vita Health. If you want to go check
it out the number four vahealth dot com. We'll talk
about that in a bit as well. Keith has written
I think sixteen books, been on TV literally a thousand times,
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but he's made the big time now that he's here
on KOWA.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Hi Keith, hey man. Thanks, it's good to be part
of the big time. I like that. It was awesome.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
That's good You've earned it.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So, first of all, do you disagree with anything I
said in kind of setting up our conversation.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
I think these are momentous times, and you know, I
like to say the truth always wins in the end.
It can take a long time, but I think we're
going to see that unfold because they've been all manner
of sleights of hand in the healthcare industry that really
need to be addressed, from the FDA to hospitals, to
private practitioners, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
And there's a chance now that that will happen. I'd
bet on it.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
So I'm just gonna tell you kind of my overall
framing of RFK, and then I'm going to try to
remove any bias I have as much as possible from
the conversation and then just talk with you about a
range of issues. The analogy I've given about RFK on
the show is that imagine a restaurant that had incredible salads,
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some of the best main courses you ever ate, but
the side dishes that you're required to eat or poisonous
and can either make you a little bit sick or
maybe kill you.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
And so would you go to that.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Restaurant if you know that the main course is going
to be the best meal you've ever had, but you
have to eat a side dish, It'll probably make you
sick at least.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
That's how I think about RFK.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
On the other hand, I don't want to overgeneralize because
there's lots of different individual issues and he's really interesting
on some of them. So now I'll just open this
to you to make any broader commentary you want, and
then we'll start getting specific.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Yeah, I think RFK has a head of steam to
try to sort of perform a cat scan on multiple
aspects of the body of the pharma industry and the
medical industry.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
And what do I mean by that.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
I mean that if you really start to unbundle things,
you start to see things that you'd say, well, that
probably doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
How are those ingredients finding.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
Their way into the food chain, the food supply, whether
it's a yellow dye or something else. I think he
is geared up appropriately to say, number one, the data
doesn't look reassuring, and so if it's making our kids sick,
that has to be documented, and let's look at the
data very honest about. Then there's a secondary question, which is, well,
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wait a second. If the data was around and it
was interpreted favorably for industry, who in the government decided
that that would happen, And what kind of revolving door
was there that suggested that people would be made whole
wealthier if they were to turn a blind eye to
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some of the dangers. It extends, you know, not just
to the side dishes at restaurants or your analogy or
metaphor is really good, right in terms of ingredients of foods,
but even you.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
Know, at the FDA, why is it we just accept
that it's the fact that in order to get something
through the FDA you have to spend millions upon millions
of dollars.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
It has to be a patentable. Therefore, molecule natural cures
need not apply really for an FDA, you know, indication
for a disease. Why, because everybody already knows, well, how
could I ever afford that? How am I going to
put curcumen, which is made from the Indian spice trameric,
through the FDA and get them to agree, Hey, it
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seems to treat depression almost as well as prozac or
just as well. Well, there's no appetite for that or
audience for that at the FDA, because they'll say, well,
you're going to have to find somebody to put zillions
of dollars into the process. We're not going to flex
the process in any way for this natural cure.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
We're not going to fund it. We're not going to
go over to NIH and have them pay for it. Why.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
It almost looks like there's a lobby for the farm
industry that makes that highly unlikely.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
So, first of all, I'll say, I think you understated
it when you talked about the cost of getting to
an approved drug in the US these days. I think
it's more like a billion dollars than some number of
millions of dollars. And it's pretty nuts, and it's part
of the reason that drugs are are are so expensive,
and I personally have a lot of problems with the FDA.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I'll give you one example.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I mostly do an okay now, but for many years
I had ongoing basically with sacroiliac joint dysfunction, and I
was in pain all the time, and the only thing
that helped me as far as a medication was Viox. Now,
Viox increased heart attack risk. I was a very very
low heart attack risk to begin with, so I wasn't
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particularly worried about it. They took it off the market
because of that. Not just because of the heart attack risk,
but because Merk lied about the heart attack risk.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
And that was pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Mirk then created another drug, the generic name of which
is called etre coxib, to replace viox, and it is
approved almost everywhere in the world, but not America, so
I have to buy it from India, and I do.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Luckily. I don't need it much anymore. But to me, it.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Seems to me like the FDA is so afraid of
lawyers that they're not taking care of patients.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Well that's right, I mean, and they're not afraid enough
of lawyers from say, startup companies. So I actually consult
to this group in Australia that makes something called cavedets.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
The founder there's a good example.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
The founder, Kyle Hodgits, says that cavedecs, which is cyclodextrin molecules,
there's sugar rings, little sugar rings that the body doesn't metabolize.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
They go around the.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
Bloodstream and they collect fat molecules. No one disagrees with that.
Kyle says a cured him of atherosclerosis because it literally
can take the fat out of Arterie Walltz. He says, okay,
So now doctors started giving it to clients, to patients.
They're patients who may have needed various procedures, are saying well,
I don't think I need it because I don't have
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angina anymore.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
And then they.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Do calcium scores and their calcium scores are plummeting. Right,
calcium scores are an indication of atherosclerosis. Now, you know, Kyle,
they're basically seizing cavedets at the border. Now I think
most of it's getting through, but they're seizing it and
burning it because they say, well, you can't claim that
it helps you with heart disease. Say something else like
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it's heart healthy. Don't talk about atherosclerosis. The FDA says,
and he's a curmudgeon and a tough guy, and he's
basically saying, no, I've got dodgers in the United States
saying that my patients are going to die if they don't.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Get this stuff.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Why don't you put a giant red label on it
that say you disagree and let it get through.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Maybe we study it together, Maybe we collect.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
All the data from the hundreds of thousands of patients
using it and decide later.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
No, the answer is no. Why is the answer no?
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Maybe the answer ought to be, well, if people are
dying of cardiovascular blockages and they aren't even doing well
after getting stints.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Let's do it well, you know.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
And I'm not saying I know, but it makes me worry. Well,
so is it the cholesterol medication folks who don't want
a natural substance out there that can clean out your arteries.
I'm not saying that they've done sufficient double blind, controlled
clinical studies. They haven't, but this anecdotal evidence. Hard to
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imagine that you'd use a gel with a complex sugar
in it and that you'd be fooled into thinking that
you don't have heart pain. That's kind of weird. So
in a case, I agree with you completely. And there
are so many examples of generics too, Like I was
one of the first doctors in the United States to
make ketamine available to my depressed patients, many of whom
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had some suicidal ideation. Ketamine the street drug, but it's
a proof for pain, and so doctors start to use
it once they noticed, Hey, this is pretty good for depression.
This really works, and it works right away. So if
you're thinking hurting yourself, man, you get a ketamine infusion.
Very many, many, many people say I don't feel.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
That way anymore.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
Now, the FDA has never approved ketamine for the treatment
of maje a depression. Ketamine generic ketamine is almost free,
Like you can get a month's supply of ketemine nasals
frey for sixty bucks at your local compounding pharmacy.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
What they did was approved.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Es ketamine, an isomer of the molecule that in a
mirror is only the left reflection of the molecule made
by a company. Guess how much that costs. That costs
about eighteen hundred a week.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Oh my god, as opposed to.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Day sixty for the month, and you have to have
it done at the doctor's office for no reason, and
the doctor's office visits. So I'm like, wait a second,
it's no better than the generic, and the approved one
is like thousands a month, many thousands of month, and
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you have to go to the doctor's office to use it.
Why wouldn't the FDA, by extensions say well, we're going
to greenlight Genericada mean, because there's no argument really that
it wouldn't work.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
So that makes sense, look at chains.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So let's I could talk about this stuff forever. We
got about nine minutes left, so let's go through. Let's
go through some key things about RFK. Actually, I want
to take a moment here just before we get to RFK,
because I'm looking at your website for Vita health dot com.
And if folks want to look at Keith's website, the
number four VI I t a health dot com because
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you were talking about like natural substances. So, without being
too infomercially, what are you what are you doing here
on this website?
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Well, I'm you know, I'm really excited because when I
treat patients, treated patients for thirty years, I always would
harness the power of supplements in addition to medications, and
it you know, the American Psychiatric Association has this giant
book with three hundred disorders in it, and then the
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farmer industry matches prescription medications, some which have horrible side
effects to those conditions, and they say, there you go,
I want an approval for my drug. I paid the
billion and now I'm going to make several billion whatever
it is. But they are naturally occurring herbs and minerals
and other things that really work to raise mood, to
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defeat brain.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Fog, and to improve sleep.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
So I'm offering those through for Vita Health on the
website for vitahealth dot com because it gives me great
joy actually to be able to say, listen, not everybody
should be diagnosed with an illness who's sad. But that's
what happens. You go to a barber, you get a haircut,
you go to a psychopharmacologist. They're going to meet with
you for ten minutes, do a checklist and say, I
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think this person qualifies for major depression. Let's put them
on medication which may have sexual side effects, weight gain
side effects, suicidal ideation that's caused by it. And there's
a vast number of people who really don't qualify five
for those diagnoses whose moods can be lifted, or clarity
thought can be enhanced, or sleep can be made better
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without a pharma agent.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, very interesting stuff. I'm gonna look at it more
after the show. All right, I want to let's do
an almost lightning round regarding RFK and your expectations for
policy in the Trump administration on some issues, and one thing,
I just want to be careful. I mean, you talked
about RFK and being data driven. I don't believe he's
data driven. I think he claims he's data driven only,
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but he cherry picks the data that confirms what he
wants to believe.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
For example, with vaccines.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I think he's absolutely full of it with vaccines, and
I think it's dangerous.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Do you what are you?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Give me a quick comment on RFK and vaccines, and
then we'll move to some other things where I think
he's probably on target.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Well, I think sometimes the truth is found by a
vigorous opposition of ideas.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
At the extremes. Is an extreme.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Idea that most or most all vaccines don't really have
a place in our armamentarium, I would say, well, I
don't know that we're really that. I don't know that
we have the data that the polio vaccine caused autism.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I don't believe that. I don't know that we have
that data.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
So I hope that what we'll get is someone who says, Okay,
I'm not willing to accept this data blindly, and I
need the data convince me of it.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
And when he has an opinion, I hope they'll.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Be vigorous pushback from folks who say, well, that doesn't
square with science.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
But in the case of the.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
COVID vaccine, I think he's got a big point that,
you know, there wasn't the data to suggest that this
was going to be the life saving treatment without any
side effects or problems that it was purported to be,
and people made many, many, many billions of dollars on it. Yeah,
and so I agree, by the way that as to
a lightning round, I don't know if that was lightning,
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but it can't be absolute or extreme.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I think one thing where I think RFK junior already
are two things where RFK junior already has some traction
is food ingredients, food dies. You know, I'm seeing stuff
about how, for example, in Canada they use turmeric and
beat juice to color the fruit loops, and here we
use red number forty and yellow number whatever. And you know,
the cereal companies say, well, there's no data to say
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that the food dies are bad. And when we tried
to use the fruit colorings, consumers didn't like it, and
so we went back. But I, you know, so I
think this is interesting because a lot of folks don't
lack the idea of more chemicals than necessary in their food.
So I think he's got a little traction here. But
I also don't know if there's data to support his opposition.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
I think there is data. I think there's a lot
of data on food dies and so forth. And sugar,
by the way, I think it's overwhelming that the amount
of sugar in the American diet is insanity and that
should be made clear. But there's so much to clean up.
He could take his pick. For instance, when you go
into a hospital.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
They will he's a tiny thing.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
If you say do not resuscitate me DNR, this is
one tiny thing. The hospital interprets that. In most hospitals
says do not treat. Try to get into an intensive
care unit. If you have a DNR order, Now you
go to the intensive care unit when you're really sick
and need not to.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Code, right, like, I don't want to have my heart stop,
so let's go to the ICU.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
I can't tell you the number of times I've argued
with doctors who say, well, why would I transfer this
person to the ICU?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
They're DNR. Well, no, that doesn't mean kill them, right.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
That means that means they happened to have their heart
stop they decided don't put don't try to start it again,
but don't make it.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Stop, right. So that's one tiny thing.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
And another issue is, you know, the rapidity with which
there's anxiety to discharge people from the hospital. I know
beds are precious, but very often that results in real
misses in terms of the next level of care that
doesn't happen, and the whole medical industry has fallen apart.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Do you think that?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Do you think the areas data good data to suggest
we should try to get these food dies out of.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Let's say our breakfast cereal.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
I do I think there's good data to get some
food dies out of some foods. Now, you can't be
a politician alone or even a lay person who's quite
smart and make those decisions. You have to tap signs.
You can't be a complete you can't turn a complete
death fear to science. So there has to be the
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data otherwise nothing should be done that interrupts industry.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
All right, And last question for you, another one where
I think that the data is inconclusive but the conversation
is getting more interesting. Is Florida floridating water supplies. And
you know a lot of the data that seems to
say floride can do this that or the other thing
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is involving much higher doses of fluoride than people are
getting in American water systems.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
So you know, as you.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well know as a doctor, dose always matters, right, So
what are you you know, we got about a minute here.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
What are you thinking?
Speaker 1 (32:41):
How do you think this conversation about fluoride and water
systems is going to play out?
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Totally requires much more study because you can't, you know,
as somebody who loves science, you cannot do things by correlation.
You can't say, well, we have Florida in our water
and look at our rates of X, Y and z.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
It's like, well, okay.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
But there are many, many, many factors that could be
weighing in on that outcome.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
How much water do you drink? Which towns, which states,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
So I think we've really got to look at that,
because you know, even when you think about dental health
and gingivitis and terrible gum disease and infections in people's mouths,
these are real things.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
So Okay, maybe it doesn't go in the water, But
then what's the answer. What are you going to do
to get fluoride or people who need it?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Yeah, it's going to be a very interesting conversation.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I have to say, you know, I'm not an RFK
junior fan, but I do think he will inspire and
catalyze a lot of interesting and necessary conversations.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
And again I agree with him on some stuff.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I think the FDA causes as many problems as it solves,
and it'll be interesting to see if RFK can actually
get Senate confirmation. Folks, you can follow Keith Ablow at
his website keithablowablow dot com and check out his new
line of all natural supplements brain fog and better sleep
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and stuff like that at the number four v I
TA Health dot com. Keith A pleasure to talk to
you for the first time.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Thanks for doing this my pleasure. Russ.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Thanks. I hope we do it again and I'll always
be available.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
All right, appreciate it, Keith, thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
All right, We're gonna take a quick break, digest all that,
perhaps with.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
The help of a natural supplement, and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Let me also mention I have an idea for you
for a Christmas or hunka president. I mentioned this a
little while and then I forgot to mention again. So
there was a couple I'm not sure who actually who
signed up to go on our listener trip to the Galapagos,
which is in the middle of March, and it's going
to be an unbelievable kind of bucket list trip for
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especially for anybody who loves me sure travel.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
So there was a couple who had to cancel, and.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
So there are two spaces available on our listener trip
to the Glopaghos in March. You can learn more if
you go to rosstrip dot com, r O, S S,
T R I P dot com. And I'm telling you
these trips are so fantastic, the quality of the guides
and the quality of the people you're with. Fellow KOA listeners.
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You already have something in common, and everybody's just.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
So nice, and people.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Make friends who stay their friends after these trips. It's
just a wonderful thing. Anyway, think about this as a
potential Christmas or Hunika.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Present for yourself if you go to rosstrip dot com,
see if it fits you.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Know.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Ever, it's also, by the way, great value for what
you're getting the price of this trip, considering we're talking
like I forget nine or ten days, almost all your
meals air for airfare, all your hotels, boat rides to
the globe, goes various Galopagos Islands from our home base
on one of the islands, professional naturalists explaining things to you, snorkeling.
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It's just it includes tips. Even so, it's just great value.
So go to rosstrip dot com and check it out.
And like I said, there's just two seats available because
a couple recently canceled.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Just two very quick things.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
I want to mention regarding doctor Keith Ablow, I don't
think that his story about doctors seeing a do not
resuscitate order on a patient's chart, saying well, therefore I
won't put him in ICU to save his life. There's
no way that's a common practice. It's probably that sounds
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like the kind of thing that one doctor heard or
misheard another doctor say at some point, and then it
became some kind of urban legend among folks who from
time to time want to be critical of the medical establishment.
But there is no way that this is an actual
thing that happens even once it day, even once a
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week in the whole country. It's probably like once a
year in the whole country. And maybe not even that
where a doctor says, well, this person said he doesn't
want to be resuscitated if he dies, and therefore, even
though he's alive now.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
I'm not gonna put him in the intensive care unit
to save his life. It just there's no way that's
a real thing other than not though I think that a.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Lot that a lot of stuff Keith Ablow said, and
a lot of stuff that RFK Junior said, you know,
says it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
We gotta again.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
I'm gonna repeat my concern about RFK Junior. He claims
to be data driven, but I don't believe him. I
think he has things that he deeply believes and he
wants them to be true. And will go look for
data that will tend to confirm what he wants to
be true, even when it's not.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
True, such as before COVID.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Now, all the years that he spent telling people do
not get vaccinated, that was all based up because because
the MMR vaccine, for example, causes autism, it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
It simply doesn't.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
And it doesn't mean that you cannot find some time
in American history where you know, somebody appears to have
been injured by a vaccine. But you're talking about tens
or hundreds of millions of people's benefited by vaccines, and
a few people or a dozen people, if you can
even prove it harmed by vaccines or whatever, the number is.
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That the balance does not side with RFK. And I
think he's very dangerous on that. And then everything, there's
lots of other stuff that's just sort of in between
what does the data say? And I wish I could
trust that RFK Junior would actually be data driven. I
don't trust him. Now I'm gonna ask you a different question.
I asked you this before. Actually, I'm gonna start with.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
This audio clip just to set us back up.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Here, and I'm gonna maybe do a little bit of
this now, and a little bit more in.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
The next segment or shortly after the next segment.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
But this day in history, sixty one years ago, President
John F.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Kennedy was shot and killed.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
And I actually don't know the source of this news clip,
but I'm going to share it with you.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
I have just talked to the father Oscar Hubert. I
was only trying to Catholic church.
Speaker 8 (39:18):
He and another priest tell me that a pair of
men have just administered the last rites of the Catholic Church,
the President Kennedy. President Kennedy has been assassinated. As official now,
the president is dead.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Women here in shock, some sin it.
Speaker 8 (39:37):
Secret service men standing by the emergency room, peers scrutiny
down their face. There's only one word to describe the
picture here, and that's greed.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
And much of it.
Speaker 8 (39:50):
As up just a few months ago. The President of
the United.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
States is dead.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Well, I don't know who that reporter was, I don't
what network that was on. The question that I asked
was if you were old enough, If you are old
enough to have any memory of where you were when
you heard that John F. Kennedy was assassinated, text me
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that story at five six, six nine zero, and I'm
going to share some of them on the air over
the course of the show. Let me do a few
of them right now. By the way, I want to
note I have close to I have close to one
hundred answers on responses on this already.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
So I was in mister.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Hedges English class as an eighth grader at Hill Junior
High here in Denver. My parents came and got me
at kindergarten. We went to a restaurant and sat. They
didn't understand what was really happening. I was in grade school.
The teacher called was called out of the classroom. When
he came back, he said, let us pray. That's how
we found out about President Kennedy. I remember my dad
closed his drug store that day. He was a staunch
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Republican but revered the office of the president. He also
took us to the rotunda in Washington, d c. To
walk past the casket as it lay in state.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
I was about six years old, Ross I was a
sophomore biology class. I was in biology class in.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
High school when someone came into the room and told
us that Kennedy had been shot. There was such a
time of everybody coming together in sadness. A person will
never forget where they were when that was announced. I
was two months old when JFK was assassinated. My mother said,
I cried the entire day, as if I knew it
was a tragic day. Ross I was five. I remember
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my parents being glued to the television.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
I was a.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Junior in high school and was in Latin class when
they announced it over the PA system. We were all
sent home. Ross I was in fourth grade. They made
an announcement and many kids cried. I was in second
grade in elementary school. We were in class and the
principal came over the loud speaker and told us ross
I was six. Mom was giving me a ride to
kindergarten in North Denver. She pulled into Holy Family Catholic Church.
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We went in, knelt down and prayed. Mom cried a
great deal which I hadn't ever seen. I was a
student nurse scrubbed in for surgery. They announced it in
the operating room during the procedure. Gosh, I wouldn't have
done that. I was in my high school mechanical drawing class.
I remember it to this day. Ross I was a
second grader out at recess, a teacher ran out of
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the school building screaming and crying for us all to
come inside. A very vivid memory. Please share your stories
with me at five six six nine zero. I know
it's a pretty intense topic, but it was sixty one
years ago, and I hope that it's something we can
talk about without being too sad right now. The other
thing I would mention, although Donald Trump is not currently
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the president of the United States, just think how close
we got to stories like that from two apparent assassination
tempts that were only shots fired at one of them.
And of course, in that one, a bullet struck Donald
Trump in his ear, only because he turned his head
moments earlier to decide to look at a chart that
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was up on a video screen. If he had not
turned his head, we would have this generation's John F.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Kennedy. Well we're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
We're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Name that tune in a little over an hour and
ezactly will get to play for the first time. I
want to share with you a couple of good news stories,
one a kind of local good news story, one an
international good news story, and then we'll come back. I'm
still collecting your texts. I'm well over one hundred texts
now on the question of where were you when you
heard that John F. Kennedy was assassinated if you are
of an age that you have a memory of that,
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so please keep those coming at five six, six nine zero,
well over one hundred responses so far, and I really
appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
So okay. The local good news story is.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
That the Colorado Department of Transportation has announced that starting
that today, as of today, work is going to stop.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
On this.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Veil Pass Auxiliary Lanes project. So done, done for the winter,
and I'm looking at the Denver Gazette. They say the
three hundred million dollar project aims to improve safety and
traffic flow in both directions on I seventy at west
Vale Pass. One major improvement coming next year is a
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dedicated eastbound lane for slow moving vehicles climbing Veil Pass.
And in any case, this particular project is going to
be paused for the rest of the winter. They have
also resurfaced the eastbound lanes between mile markers one seventy
nine five and so on. In any case, it's going
to be a little bit easier, or let's say, a
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little bit less more difficult, if that makes any sense,
to get out to the mountains this year. So there's
a little there's a little gift for us. And then
the other story, which is actually much more important, even
though it probably will never nah, maybe not never, but
almost never impact anybody who's listening to me right now.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
I think this is a fabulous story.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
The World Health Organization has certified Egypt as malaria free,
and I'm quoting from the World Health Organization's website, marking
a significant public health milestone for a country with more
than one hundred million inhabitants. The achievement follows a nearly
one hundred year effort by the Egyptian government and people
to end the disease that's been present in the country
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since ancient times. The Director General of the WHO says
malaria is as old as Egyptian civilization itself, but the
disease that plagued Pharaohs now belongs to history and not.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
To its future. The certification of Egypt is malaria free
is truly historic and a testament to the commitment.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Of the people and government of Egypt or rid themselves
of this ancient scourge. I congratulate Egypt. YadA YadA, YadA.
Speaker 4 (46:04):
All right.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Egypt is the third country in the who's Eastern Mediterranean
region to be certified as malaria free. The other two
are the United Arab Emirates and Morocco. And you know, Egypt, obviously,
you've got the Nile River, and nearer the Nile, you've
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got lots of tributaries and lots of water and sometimes
standing water, and on these are areas where mosquitoes can
live and breed and so on. So to be able
to eliminate malaria from a country like that, with a
population like that.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
I don't think most Americans know just how deadly malaria is.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
You know, people think of malaria as the thing. All right,
you get it, and you take some medicine.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
And you'll be uncomfortable for a while, and then you'll
probably be okay.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
But for poor people.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
In poor countries who don't have access to good treatment,
and especially kids, area causes In particular, it causes diarrhea.
I know it's a little gross, but what happens is
if you have it and you get that symptom, you
lose all the water from your body because of the diarrhea,
and you die of dehydration and malaria is I haven't
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looked recently, but it might be the single biggest killer
as far as diseases go in the world in Africa.
It wouldn't surprise me. So anyway, I think that's just
fantastic news.
Speaker 4 (47:31):
And oh, I see in this article the Aswan Damn.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Now, if you traveled with me and other KOA listeners
to Egypt right earlier this year, if you did that trip,
you saw the Aswan dam We went there. By creating
the Aswan Damn, they created this whole, this massive lake.
It's hard to describe how unbelievably enormous it is, but
it created lots more standing water and more.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Breeding grounds for mosquitoes.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
To doing that thing that they really needed to do
for other reasons, increased this other risk.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
And that was nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
So in any case, this has been a problem for
Egypt for a long time, and.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
I'm very glad that it's They are now malaria free.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
And by the way, as I mentioned earlier, if you
want to do a trip with me, there's two seats
left for the Galapagos trip this coming March. You can
learn more at rosstrip dot com, ross trip dot com
will be right back. I'm looking forward to the Broncos
beating the Raiders this weekend, and then the following Monday
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Night will be the the Cleveland Browns will be here
in Denver, and I will be on the sidelines of
that game doing the parabolic microphones for koa's coverage.
Speaker 4 (48:46):
On the Monday night game.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
And because I am a lazy person, I'm taking the
next day off. Well it's not, actually it's not because
I'm lazy. So here's what's going on for that Monday
night game. A friend of mine, who is a lifelong
Cleveland brown fan, is going to come in and do
the other and and do the microphones with me. So
it's gonna be me and a friend of mine with
the the Broncos Browns game. And he's flying into town
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just to do that. So I'm gonna hang out with
him for for the evening and I'll be taking that
Tuesday off.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
So there you go. Uh.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
A bunch of people are texting me stuff about vaccines
and read this book and read that book.
Speaker 4 (49:23):
And I just want to give a quick comment.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
First of all, most stuff that you hear from anti
vaccine people is based on literally no science at all, Okay,
I've told the story. I'm not I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna tell it again, just in the interest of time.
But the origin of the story that vaccines cause autism
was an outright fraud by a British doctor who was
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an investor in a company that was trying to make
a different vaccine, so he made up data to make
it looked like the vaccine he was comparing to cause autism.
It wasn't just a bad analysis of real data. It
was completely fraudulent data, and it was all made up,
and the article was eventually retracted and the British medical
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authorities revoked that guy's medical license. So it all started
from fraud, and anything you hear.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
I'm just gonna I'm gonna state this with a high
degree of confidence.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Anything you hear about vaccines causing autism.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Is a lie.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
Okay, that's it. As I said earlier, it doesn't mean
that it's.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Impossible for somebody to be harmed by a vaccine. It's
just exceedingly rare, exceedingly rare, And we're talking about vaccines
that prevent illness and death among millions and millions and millions.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
Of people every year.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
And if you could find a few people a year
who are actually harmed by these vaccine I'd be surprised.
I'm not talking about the COVID vaccines. I don't have
enough information on that, but RFK was anti vas before
COVID and it's all lies.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Also all the stuff about you know, it's harmful to
kids or potentially harmful to kids for them to get
two or three or four vaccines on one appointment. There's
also no data to support that. And you know it's
weird to me. Okay, I've told you this story before.
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I was at some I think libertarian kind of conference.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
I don't remember what the event.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
Was, and they had a doctor who was speaking about
vaccine stuff.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
And now this is a long time.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Ago, okay, I'm talking about probably fifteen twenty years ago.
And I remember it was a woman doctor, I don't
remember her name. She's not just practicing in.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
An office, but a researcher.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
And she said that they tried to look at all
kinds of data points and correlations in society to see
what correlated best with a location having a high percentage
of their children being unvaccinated, and they tried to be
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very creative and look at all the whatever different things
they could think of, and what they found was the
thing with the highest correlation to unvaccinated children was the
presence of a Whole Foods in their area.
Speaker 4 (52:31):
In other words, so.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Remember Whole Foods was a place that initially only really
only liberals shopped at. It was really a place that
was attractive for virtue signaling liberals who incorrectly thought that
organic food was better for them and there, and they
were willing to pay more for it, and conservatives weren't
buying it. What's happened in recent years is that a
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lot of the it's kind of flipped and now more
liberals are getting their kids vaccinated and more conservatives aren't.
And I actually think that the COVID thing in particular,
which made a lot of conservatives not just skeptical of
COVID vaccines but wrongly skeptical of vaccines generally, have caused
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a lot of people who are on the political right
or the Trump right or whatever to not vaccinate their kids,
and a lot of liberals who otherwise might not have
vaccinated their kids because they live in this world that
vaccines are put out by big drug companies and big
drug drug companies are willing to hurt people to make
a dollar. And we can debate whether any of that's true,
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but that was the world the liberals lived in, and
today said, no, I don't trust the drug companies, and
therefore I'm not going to get my kid vaccinated. What's
been happening since then, since then, I think, is that
liberals are saying, I think that, you know, these conservatives
or these maga people who are becoming anti vacs are
so dumb that I'm just going to do whatever the
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opposite of what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (54:05):
And therefore, even though I might not ordinarily want.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
To get my kid vaccinated, I'm going to do it
just to not seem like I'm one of those maga people.
Speaker 4 (54:14):
And it's all moronic.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
And it all should be based on what is the
data say, and what's best for the healthier kid, And
in almost every single circumstance, what is best for the
healthier kid is getting the having your kid get the vaccine,
and getting it on the recommended schedule. There is not
data to suggest that you do anything good for your
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kid by, for example, spreading the vaccines out.
Speaker 4 (54:39):
Over a longer period of time. So that's just the
point I want to make. We're good, so.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
People please don't There's very little point in sending me,
you know, go read this book, or go read this
author or whatever. Most of the people who write books
about health stuff are just trying to sell their own
system or their own products, their own whatever. And I'm
not saying that they have to be wrong. It's possible
they're right about something. It's possible that their products are
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good or useful for whatever the thing is that they're
talking about. But more often than not, they're probably wrong,
and they're just trying to sell you something. And it's fine.
You can decide whether to buy it or not.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
But don't don't try to tell me to read it.
Here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
It's possible that a doctor will write something about public health,
or about vaccines, or.
Speaker 4 (55:29):
About something that is somewhat.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Different from the current thinking, and it's possible they could
be right. But my issue is I am not in
a position to test the data. I'm not in a
position to test the hypothesis, and therefore I'm not going
to waste my time reading the book. What I hope
is that scientists whose job it is to do the
research and keep US healthy and people at FDA or
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HHS or whoever it's going to be, and maybe it'll
be RFK, and maybe it'll.
Speaker 4 (55:59):
Be somebody else.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
I hope that they who do have access to the
data and the laboratories and the scientists. I hope that
they do the research to test claims. And you know what,
if they do good research and they say, you know
this is better or that is better, and here's the data, cool,
show me the data, I'll change my mind.
Speaker 4 (56:21):
So far, I have yet in the twenty.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
Something years that I have been thinking about and reading
about vaccines, I have yet to find anything that has
any credible evidence that vaccines as a category are harmful.
And again put aside the COVID vaccine, it's a different conversation,
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but all the other stuff that RFK was trying to
talk people out of for all those years. I have
no reason to think that there is a systemic problem there.
And I think most people who claim there is are
liars and grifters or gullible people, people who you know,
aren't really in that business but want to believe bad things.
Speaker 4 (57:05):
It's shocking how many people there are.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
On the left and the right who want to believe
bad things about fill in the blank, and there do
tend to be political divides. Right, the left wants to
believe bad things about what military contractors and weapons producers,
and the left used to be the ones who wanted
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to believe bad things about the pharmaceutical industry. Now the
right wants to believe bad things about the pharmaceutical industry.
And there's almost any massive industry you can name. There
will be some people who want to hate it, and
they're allowed to want to hate it.
Speaker 4 (57:46):
And you should be.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Open to new data and new information, but don't be
don't have a mind that's so open that your brain
falls out.
Speaker 4 (57:54):
And we all wait too much of that. And I'm
not going along with it.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
Don't waste your time or mine by texting me and saying,
read such and such a book by such and such
a person about this medical issue. I'm not gonna read it.
Speaker 4 (58:10):
It's not because I'm not interested.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
It's because I am not in a position to test
their claim. And their claim is probably wrong, but even
if it's right, I'm not in a position to test it.
So I'm gonna let people read those things who are
in a position to test it. And until then, I
don't care. All right, let me switch gears. This is
a very long piece. I'm gonna share with you as
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much as I can, and normally with a piece this long,
I wouldn't share all of it, but I'm gonna try
to because it's so important. This is an op ed
from two days ago in the Wall Street Journal by
Elon Musk and Vivic Ramaswami, the two guys who have
been tasked by Donald Trump to run a new organization
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to try to find ways to make government more efficient
and cut weight and so on.
Speaker 4 (59:01):
And it's a long piece, but it's incredibly important.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
So I'm going to share with you as much as
I have time for right here, and maybe I'll comment
a little bit as we go through it. And this,
by the way, is up on the blog at Rosskiminsky
dot com. And I believe I put a gift link
for this article so that you can read it yourself
without needing a subscription to the Wall Street Journal. All right,
it should be in my blog at Rosskiminsky dot com
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along with everything else I'm talking about today. More than
everything else, there's so much stuff I plan to get
to today.
Speaker 4 (59:29):
That I'm not even going to get to it's always
like that.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
So I hope you'll go to Rosskiminsky dot com every
day that I have a show, right, which is basically
every weekday except when I'm on vacation or on my.
Speaker 4 (59:38):
Very rare sick day.
Speaker 1 (59:40):
I've got this up there, and I think is a
fabulous distillation of Keynews stories of the day, the stuff
that's most important, and then other stuff that is i'd
say important, maybe not most, but very interesting, and things
you might not hear in your regular sources of news.
So go to Rosskiminsky dot com and check that out
every All, right, here we go. This is Elon Muskin
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vivic rama.
Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
Swamp.
Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Our nation was founded on the basic idea that the
people we elect run the government.
Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
This isn't how America functions today.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Though, most legal edicts aren't laws enacted by Congress, but
rather rules and regulations promulgated by unelected.
Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Bureaucrats, tens of thousands of them each year.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Most government enforcement decisions and discretionary expenditures aren't made by
the democratically elected president or even as political appointees, but
by millions of unelected, unappointed civil servants within government agencies
who view themselves as immune from firing thanks to civil
service protections. This is anti democratic and antithetical to the
founder's vision. It imposes massive direct and indirect costs on taxpayers. Thankfully,
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we have a historic opportunity to solve the problem. On
November fifth, voters decisively elected Donald Trump with a mandate
for sweeping change, and they deserve to get it. President
Trumps asked the two of us again. This is Musk
and Ramaswami writing to lead a newly formed Department of
Government Efficiency to cut the federal government down to size.
The entrenched and ever growing bureaucracy represents an existential threat
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to our republic, and politicians have embedded it.
Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
For too long.
Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
That's why we're doing things differently. We are entrepreneurs, not politicians.
We will serve as outside advisors, not federal officials or employees.
Unlike government commissions or advisory committees. We won't just write
reports or cut ribbons. We will cut costs. We are
assisting the Trump transition team to identify and hire a
lean team of small government crusaders, including some of the
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sharpest technical and legal minds in America.
Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
We will work closely with the White House Office of
Management and Budget.
Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
We will advise the DOGE, the DOGE, the Department of
Governmental Efficiency at every step to pursue three major kinds
of reform. Regulatory recisions that means eliminating rules, administrative reductions
that means firing people, and cost savings. We will focus
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particularly on driving change through executive action based on existing legislation,
rather than by passing new laws. Let me interject here,
I think that's how they have to do it because
the Republicans only have fifty three to forty seven.
Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
Edge in the Senate.
Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
And while there are things that can be done in
terms of cutting spending going through what's called a reconciliation
process that does not require sixty votes in the Senate
to overcome a filibuster, most things will require that. And furthermore,
the Republicans have a very narrow majority in the House.
We don't actually know the size of the majority yet,
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we just know there will be one, but there are
some races that are still not called. But any case,
it will be a fairly small majority. And there are
some what you might call squishy Republicans who are representing
districts one by Kamala Harris or you know, blue leaning districts,
even moderate districts who might not go along with aggressive
cost cutting, and therefore it's far from clear that you
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could actually pass.
Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Laws to do what needs to be done.
Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Now, you know what, I'm going to just back away
from the text of the article for a minute. The
article is quite long, and hopefully I'll get back to
it and share with you a little more. But I
want to make a point just from my perspective, the
stuff they're talking about doing desperately needs to be done.
Musk and Ramaswami are one hundred percent right that the
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fact that we have so so many rules that are
promulgated by government agencies people who are not elected. In fact,
the Biden administration has the most ever of any administration
of what is defined as economically significant rules, that is,
rules regulations that will cost businesses and the economy.
Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
At least one hundred million dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
That's not even very much money, one hundred million dollars
a year, right, There are lots of very big companies
that will take on their own, you know, their own
expense of one hundred million dollars a year. But we're
now we're talking about around three hundred of them put
out by just the Biden administration. And it's harmful to
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American growth and American incomes and American quality of life.
And it's the kind of thing that turns us into Europe.
And I know a lot of people think about Europe
as this wonderful thing all I'd like to be so cultured.
But you got to remember, Europeans on average, have a
significantly lower standard of living than Americans do on average,
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significantly lower. Their incomes are lower, their freedom is less,
the choices you have at the supermarket are less. Your
ability to get rich based on your own entrepreneurial creativity is.
Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Much much less.
Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
It's like a regulatory wet blanket stifling the economy and
the growth of Western Europe.
Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
We don't want to become that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
So everything that Musk and Ramaswami are talking about needs
to be done.
Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
And there is no but this or but that. Right.
Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
I'm one hundred percent with them, one hundred percent, and
I wish them great success. Now, let me just get
back to a little bit of the article here. When
the president nullifies thousands of improperly implemented regulations, critics will
allege executive overreach. In fact, it will be correcting the
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executive overreach of thousands of regulations promulgated by administrative fiat
that were never authorized by Congress. The President owes lawmaking
deference to Congress, not to bureaucrats deep within federal agencies.
Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
The use of executive orders to substitute.
Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
For lawmaking by adding and some new rules is a
constitutional affront.
Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
But the use of executive orders.
Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
To roll back regulations that wrongly bypassed Congress is a
legitimate and necessary approach to comply with the Supreme Court's
recent mandates. And after those regulations are fully rescinded, a
future president couldn't simply flip the switch and revive them,
but would instead have to ask Congress to do so.
Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
Now, I think that in theory they are right.
Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
I think in practice they are overly optimistic. I think
that if President Trump uses executive actions to roll back
improperly implemented regulations regulations created by the executive branch agencies,
you will have all kinds of special interest groups suing immediately,
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and then you're going to end up in a situation
where the main thing that's often used is called the
Administrative Procedures Act and it requires that rulemaking goes through
a certain kind of process and common period and all
of that.
Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
And what Musk and Ramaswami seem to.
Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Be arguing is that when rules are improperly implemented to
begin with, a president should not need to go through
a process like that to simply repeal a rule that
should never have been made. This will go to court,
and for sure there will be courts that rule against
this approach, and the question will eventually show up at
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the Supreme Court.
Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
And the question at the Supreme.
Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Court will be does the president have the authority to
ignore the Administration of Administrative Procedures Act the APA in
any situation where changing government regulations, such as eliminating regulations
that shouldn't have already existed.
Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
The other thing that I'd say where Musk and.
Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Ramaswami are a little bit too optimistic is if they
think that Donald Trump is going to be able to
get rid of a whole bunch of stuff by executive order.
And I hope he can, but that a future president
can't use executive action to then just undo what Trump
did and reinstate the orders. I guarantee you the next
Democratic president will try to do just that, and that
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will all end up in court as well.
Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
So in this particular.
Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Aspect, I hope Musk and Ramaswami are right about how
it can play out, but I'm not confident that it
will play out the way they think it should.
Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
I hope they're right. I hope they're right.
Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
And this is a very different kind of Supreme Court
than we had just several years, just five years ago,
very very different.
Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
So we'll see Musk and Ramaswami say we have a
historic opportunity for structural reductions in the federal government.
Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
We are prepared. We are prepared for the onslaught from
entrenched interests in Washington. We expect to prevail. I think,
however prepared you are for that onslaught, you're never prepared enough.
Just a little less than an hour left together today,
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I just I don't know how I realized this. I
probably heard it mentioned somewhere this morning, and I didn't
have it on the my so called show sheet to
talk about. But then this day in history, right sixty
one years ago today, John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas.
And I've got well over one hundred now responses from
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listeners on the text line at five six six nine zero.
I asked, I asked, if you're old enough to have
a memory of where you were that day, tell me
your story at five six six nine zero. And I'm
going to share some of those with you in a second.
The first thing I want to do here is share
a little bit of audio.
Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
This is from the CBC.
Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
This is the Canadian Broadcasting Company and it is about
thirty seconds long, and I think you'll hear something interesting
at the end of this.
Speaker 9 (01:10:06):
Here are the news bulletin from the CBC Television News Service.
President Kennedy is reported to be fighting for his life
in a Dallas hospital, but reports conflict. CBS says he
is dead. Here is a picture of the president. You've
seen the picture of the president just before. Is that
he was shot in the limousine in Dallas, Texas. Mister
Kennedy was struck in the head. The Governor of Texas,
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John Connolly, was shot in the back and reported the
American Vice President Lyndon Johnson was also shot, but he
is not in serious condition in an emergency operation. That
was a bulletin from the CBC Television News Service.
Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
Isn't that interesting? They reported?
Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
That Lyndon Johnson was shot, but Lyndon Johnson, Lyndon Johnson
wasn't shot.
Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
I thought that was kind of fat. I mean, it's
sort of like the fog of war, right, It's kind
of like the fog of war.
Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Actually, before I get I'll come back to your answers
in a second. I wanted to share this with you.
This is a story.
Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
Oh I hope this is going to let me let
me read the story.
Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
I hit it when it does this, So let me
just make sure I can get this going here.
Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
Just stick with me here for a second.
Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
I know it's semi professional radio, but I really want
to really want to get this story to you if
I can.
Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Okay, I think I got it. I think I got
it going now.
Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
So this is on the website of the New York
Daily News, and it's an article from six and.
Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
A half years ago, which I just found.
Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
This morning as I was doing a little research on,
you know, this day in history and the Kennedy assassination.
So this is, ironically enough, from a reporter at the
New York Daily News named Helen Kennedy.
Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
Hours after John F.
Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Kennedy was assassinated a jumpy secret service agent came within
seconds of accidentally shooting new President Lyndon Johnson point blank
in the chest, the agent reveals in a new book.
Standing in the darkness outside Johnson's Washington mansion.
Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
At two fifteen am.
Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
On November twenty third, nineteen sixty three, So that would
have been twelve or fourteen hours after Kennedy was killed,
Agent Gerald Blaine blai and he heard footsteps.
Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
We were still emotionally in shock over the assassination. It
had been well over forty hours since we'd slept. We
didn't know if it was a conspiracy or what to expect.
Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
Mister Blaine told The Daily News.
Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
He activated the bolt on his Thompson submachine gun and
put it to his shoulder, making a huge sound in
the night that Blaine said he hoped would scare off
an intruder, But the steps kept coming, and suddenly, from
around the corner came a figure. Blaine had the gun
pointed at the man's chest and was about to fire
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when he recognized the new president. Blaine said, I swear
he turned white. He had just walked out for a
breath of air. He hadn't told anyone when Kennedy left
the house, he would notify the command post. For a
long moment in the shadows, LBJ and the agent looked
at each other, Blaine said quote, then he turned around
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and went back into the house. He didn't say anything.
I think he understood he had no business being out there.
Blaine said that LBJ never mentioned the incident, but mister
Blaine himself lived with knowing he came one fingerslip from changing.
Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
History and a mistake that would have had an.
Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Incalculable effect on an already traumatized and grieving nation. Mister
Blaine said, I had nightmares. I had them for years afterwards.
If I had shot him, they would still be pumping
sunshine through me and mister Blaine wrote his memoirs in
a book called The Kennedy Detail, which was published back
then in twenty eighteen. He spent three years, Mister Blaine
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spent three years guarding Kennedy, traveling with him through Europe
and Central America, and of course Massachusetts where he's from,
and Palm Beach, Florida, and so on wherever, wherever he
wherever he traveled. He also said, I saw a lot
of bloodshed because he I guess, I guess he fought
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in World War Two maybe anyway, he said, I saw
a lot of bloodshed, but Kennedy's death was something I
just couldn't resolve. And uh, and then I think I'll
I think I'll leave it. I'll leave it there. But
that's quite a story, isn't it quite a story. I'll
say what I'm gonna I'm gonna hold your reactions or
your stories about where you were until the next segment
of the show, probably, And I'm just gonna take a
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minute here on something that I know was covered on
Kowa News this morning. I think I heard Pat Woodard
mention it. Uh, the trial of an Aurora dentist, and
I guess I'll use his name. I My rule is
I don't ever name mass murderers. Right if somebody kills
one person, I guess I can name him or not.
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It's His name is James Craig. He's forty five years old,
he was a dentist. He's a father of six, and
I met the Denver Gazette for this. He's charged with
first degree murder and three counts of campering with evidence
after the death of his wife, Angela, And the short
version is that he poisoned her and with something called tetra.
Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
Hydrasolen and cyanide.
Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
The Arapaho County Corner at the time said that missus
Craig had more than four hundred times the amount of
tetrahydrosylene in her body than you would ever use for
a therapeutic dose. She died at University Hospital after multiple
visits to emergency rooms complaining of everything from dizziness and
vertigo to lightheadedness.
Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
On March fifteenth of last year, she went into the er.
Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
She collapsed, She was put on a ventilator, and she
was pronounced braindead that night and taking off life support
on March eighteenth. The affidavit for James Craig's arrest said
his dental practice was spiraling downward and he was starting
up a relationship with a Texas or an Honest, I
don't know if that means a romantic relationship.
Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
I guess it does, but I don't really know.
Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
In any case, his trial has now been delayed a
third time, and the reason is that his lawyer, who
is a very very very big shot lawyer in Denver
named Harvey Steinberg. All right, Harvey Steinberg is one of
the biggest players in you know, criminal defense in the
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state of Colorado. So yesterday Harvey Steinberg withdrew from the
case just before they were supposed to begin jury selection,
and he gave two reasons.
Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
I'm quoting now, the client.
Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Persists in a course of action involving the lawyer's services
that the lawyer reasonably believes is criminal or fraudulent. So
the lawyer believes that the criminal that his client is
committing crimes right now, and of course the lawyer is
not allowed to abet crimes.
Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
And then the other one, the client is.
Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
This this on taking action that the lawyer considers repugnant
or with which the lawyer has a.
Speaker 4 (01:17:04):
Fundamental disagreement in any case.
Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
So this big shot criminal defense attorney says, this defendant
is so bad that I can't defend him anymore. I'm
guessing James Craig is going to get life in prison
when he eventually gets a trial.
Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
But we'll see.
Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Thanks for spending some time with me. Sixty one years
ago today, John F. Kennedy was assassinated. There are so
many theories out there. I'm not one of these people
who has spent a lot of time thinking about you know,
did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone and all this stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
I have no idea, and lots and lots of people
find those questions truly fascinating and I just don't care
very much.
Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
But what I do think is actually quite interesting. There's
a lot of stuff out there.
Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
The government has classified information about the Kennedy assassination that
was supposed to have been decol classified years ago, even
during the Trump administration, and it hasn't been that.
Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
This is my understanding. I could be wrong. This is
my understanding. I think. I think that's a little odd.
I wonder if.
Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
The president says you're go declassify this stuff and then
it doesn't get declassified. Somebody must have said to him,
there's a reason we're not declassifying this stuff, and would
you please be quiet about it? And I, assuming that's
what's going on, I think that's interesting and a little odd.
And I don't know, you know, I don't know what
it's about. That to me, that's the that's the interesting part.
I want to share a few more listener texts, so
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I just I love these stories about.
Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
You know, my listener's actual lives.
Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
So the question was where if you're old enough to
have a memory, of where you were when JFK was
was shot?
Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
What do you remember?
Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
And so I'm just going to go through a few
listener texts here share some of these stories with you.
I was in the second grade when Kennedy was shot.
Two years previous, my father, who looked like he could
be Kennedy's brother, passed away. As a little kid seeing
this redheaded eye irishman who's the father of our country,
had a very special place in my heart. When he
was shot, I was devastated as a seven year old.
It was like losing my father all over again. Wow,
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let's see.
Speaker 4 (01:19:12):
I was in It was lunchtime. I was in the
fourth grade.
Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Some kids lived close enough to go home, and a
little boy ran in shouting the president was shot.
Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
The teacher scolded him for saying such a thing, and
then we learned the truth.
Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
A black and white TV was wheeled in and we
watched the rest of the day.
Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
Ross.
Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
I was standing on the playground at lunch outside my
fifth grade classroom when our teacher called us all inside
to watch TV. Absolutely unheard of, and then after we
were all shocked into silence and nobody went back outside.
Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
Wow, let's see, let's see let's see, there's just so
so many. Make sure I have this right.
Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
My dad was twenty four and working in the meter
shop at a southern California gas company.
Speaker 4 (01:19:59):
He drove a fourth in tandem with another guy.
Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
As they passed each other in their daily tasks, the
other guy would set up a joke as they passed
each other. The next time, the other guy would give
the punchline. On this day, sixty.
Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
One years ago, they passed each other and the other
guy said.
Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Did you hear Kennedy was shot? My dad thought this
was a very odd joke, but awaited the punchline on
their next passing. Unfortunately, there was no punchline. I was
three years old and my mom was crying. She grabbed
me and my younger brother and ran down the street
to our friend's house. I can still see it in
my mind's eye. It will never go away. Ross I
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was four years old when JFK was assassinated. I was
in my room being punished and had no dinner.
Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
What a scar it left on me.
Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Mom and dad were glued to the TV, and I
had no idea what was going on?
Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
All right?
Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
That was an unusual story. When JFK was shot. I
was in first grade. I remember walking down the hall
to the buses and teachers at their classroom doors crying,
waiting for their students turn to go to the buses
to go home.
Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Early.
Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
I was in seventh grade in English class and the
principal came in on, came on the PA system and
told us they sent us home, and I.
Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
Cried all the way.
Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
I was a fifth grader at Saban Elementary School in
Southwest Denver. They cut us loose and we walked home
and my mother hadn't heard yet as we came into
the house. We were watching TV for the next five days.
Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
Wow. One more.
Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
I was in sixth grade. We were working on a
math worksheet. Somebody came in and handed the teacher a note.
She slammed her palm on the desk. That terrified us,
and she told us our president had been killed. All
our parents came to get us. My mom had a
long way to travel and I was one of the
last ones at school. I was crying, and then she
pulled up to the school and then I saw Jack
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Ruby shot on live TV.
Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
It was a lot for a twelve year old. It
shook us all to the core.
Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
But remember then came Bobby and Martin and Medgar evers.
Speaker 4 (01:22:07):
It felt never ending. Wow, I literally have eighty.
Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
More of these or something that I'm not going to
be able to have time to get to today. But
I just very very much want to thank you for
I've read many, many of them. I've read almost all.
I just don't have time to share them all on
the show, but thank.
Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
You so much.
Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
I always love the interactions and your stories, so I'm
very very grateful for that. We're going to take a
quick break and come back and I don't know what
we'll do. We'll have some fun together for our last
few minutes together this week, and we'll do name that tune.
Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
Happy Friday. I'm ross thanks for spending a little time
with me.
Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
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Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
All right, let me do a few little random stories here.
Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
So I saw this headline at the Associated Press three hundred.
Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
And forty four dollars for a coffee. Scottish farm is.
Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Selling UK's most expensive cup, and I thought, well, that
seems a little silly.
Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
You know, sometimes the.
Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Restaurants will put out like some insanely you know, a
a burger that literally has gold on it or something
right like that, right, and it'll be thousands of dollars
and maybe they'll sell one a year or maybe not,
but it gets their name in the news and it's
kind of a flashy thing.
Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
And okay, I get it. I don't you know, I
don't drink coffee, so you know, I wouldn't spend three bucks.
Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
For a cup of coffee, much less three hundred dollars
for a cup of coffee. But as I read this
story more, I actually like this story. I'm very I'm
actually I'm very impressed with the guy.
Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
Who's doing this.
Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
So let me just share a little this with you
because I really like it. It's it's clever, it's entrepreneurial.
These these kinds of stories make me make me happy.
So again, this is a dairy in Scotland, and I'm
sure I'm going to pronounce the name wrong, but it's
like most gel M O S S G I E
L mosquee organic dairy.
Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
So they had this dairy had a bunch of had
a lot of financial trouble and.
Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
I think was a son took over from his father
some years ago and they need to raise money. So
what they're actually doing that caused this headline of a
three hundred and forty four dollars cup of coffee.
Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
What they're actually.
Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Doing is they are selling shares of stock in the
dairy for I think it's something like ten dollars a share,
and if you buy at least thirty four shares, then
they'll give you.
Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
A certificate for a coffee.
Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Over there, they call it a flat white, a double
shot of espresso topped with a layer of steamed milk
and a little fleeting work of foam art as they
put it, is that is that a lot? I don't
know what that is? What's that called an American coffee drinking?
I don't drink coffee? The double shot of espresso topped
with a layer of steamed milk?
Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
And then yeah, what is that? Is that a machiato?
Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
No, but machiato has other stuff in it?
Speaker 4 (01:26:10):
Is it a cappuccina? No? I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
Can someone tell me please? Or you just call it
a flat white in America too? I don't think so,
because my yeah, that's what we need to look up, Zach.
What's the American name for a flat white coffee? Look
that up and tell me.
Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
What the answer is. I don't drink coffee.
Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
I don't know anyway, So you buy thirty four shares
of stock in this farm, you get a certificate for
this coffee and then you can take the certificate to
one of the coffee shops in Scotland that use milk
from this particular dairy.
Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
And I just think that's so clever.
Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
Because nobody's gonna go buy the shares just to get.
Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
A cup of coffee. But what does it get.
Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
It gets them in the news, it gets that associated
press headline, it gets me talking about it. Now, I'm
not probably talking to too many people in Scotland right now,
you know. I know KOA has a big reach, but
I don't think Scotland is really quite where.
Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
We got a lot of p ones. But anyway, before launching.
Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
The coffee promotion, mister Cunningham had already raised more than
a third of the three hundred thousand pounds he's seeking
from small investors, as he uses that as collateral towards
a nine hundred thousand pounds loan that he will help
him double operations and expand out of Scotland and get
into coffee shops in London and other such places. And
(01:27:25):
if you're a shareholder you will get other things like
farm tours and delivery discount milk delivery discounts and invitations
to special events and of course investors are also given
the standard warning that they could lose some or all
of the money they invest, but at least they will
have had that cup of coffee.
Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
This farm, this is about twenty five miles south of Glasgow.
Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Was worked in the eighteenth century by the poet Robert Burns,
the guy who wrote ald Lang Sign and many other
well known works. Burns is considered the national poet of Scotland.
He wrote while working in the fields there for two years,
and his face is on each glass bottle of milk
that comes out of this dairy.
Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
What you got, Zach. It's called the same thing over here.
It's a flat white.
Speaker 10 (01:28:10):
It's just not a common enough drink, I guess, but
they everything I can find is that Americans call it.
Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
Flat whites too. Really. Yeah, I'll keep looking, but that's
all I can find right now.
Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Okay, all right, maybe some coffee drinker can tell us
if that's the definitive answer anyway. I the reason I
liked this story is it's a really clever way for
a small businessman who's not famous and don't doesn't have
a marketing budget to do some big crowdfunding.
Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
Thing to get his name in the news, to.
Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Do something catchy, you know, I go, what can I
do to bring some attention to the fact that I'm
trying to raise a few hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
I'm gonna give as.
Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
A I'm gonna give investors a bonus of a cup
of coffee with our milk, and then we'll talk about
it as if people are paying three hundred and forty
four dollars for.
Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
A cup of coffee that has our milk, because that's
how good our milk is.
Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Anyway, there's nothing more for me to say about that.
I'm not like I'm gonna invest or anything, but I
just think it's a cool story because I admire the
creativity and the entrepreneurial spirits.
Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
That's what I like. Let me see if we've got
any people.
Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
Let's see flat white on this side of the pond too.
Speaker 10 (01:29:24):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (01:29:25):
This person says cafe ola.
Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
I'm not sure if which would be, you know, coffee
with milk in French. This person says something that I
will not say on the air because you probably think
that I don't know what that is. But I do
know what that is, and I am not gonna say
that on the air because that is really really gross,
(01:29:49):
so no nice try.
Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
I might have been born at night, but not last night,
so all right. Another one. There is a local story,
kind of an economic story.
Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
This is from the Colorado Soun Excel at the power
company runs out of ev rebates and bad news slash
good news for Colorado culture and economic switch, and the
subhead is some customers are stuck without checks, but dealers
are happy about the boost and electric vehicle sales. By
the way, this is written by Michael Booth, who writes for.
Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
The Colorado Sun.
Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
I don't remember. I think maybe he used to be
at the Denver Post. I'm not sure. And the guy
is like a hardcore radical environmentalist.
Speaker 4 (01:30:26):
The reporter is anyway, he says.
Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
The bad news is that Excel Energy has spent all
of the five million dollars set aside for new and
used electric vehicle purchase rebates for income qualified Colorado customers,
leaving one hundred people with rebate approvals but no checks
in the mail, and Excel doesn't plan to ask the
Commission for more money, which is funded by the company's
one and a half million one and a half million
(01:30:51):
Colorado Energy customers under a system that needs PUC approval,
and the good news, according to Booth, is that the
reason that Excel has run out of money is that
Colorado EV shoppers snapped up and seventy six Excel rebates
for to make that total of five million dollars, many
(01:31:14):
of them in a twenty four sales, pushed by automakers
striving to meet customer demand and the mandates of states
like Colorado requiring them to stock higher percentages of evs
for sale to help clean the air, and the head
of the Colorado Auto Dealers Association says, I think Excel
running out of money in this program is a good thing.
(01:31:35):
It means they've been fulfilling.
Speaker 4 (01:31:37):
Their mission more efficiently than anticipated.
Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
No one expected the meteoric rise of ED adoption that
we've seen in the last twelve months.
Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
Excel has played a huge part in that. So Michael
Booth talks about this as.
Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
Good news and bad news. I think it's almost entirely
bad news now. It's I'm not saying I'm not saying
it's bad news for everybody. It's clearly good news for
the auto dealers who got to get more of these
cars off the lots that people hadn't wanted at their
original prices, and it's probably good news for Excel Energy
because they can virtue signal about how much they're doing
(01:32:11):
to get people out of their gasoline cars and into
these evs, and then they can go do these other
things where they can again, you know, do the clean
energy or green energy or renewable energy and spend a
billion dollars and then go charge taxpayers one point two billion,
and you know, just make more money off of their
virtue signaling.
Speaker 4 (01:32:29):
But here here's the problem for me.
Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
The reason that so many cars were sold is because
there was so much free money being thrown at them,
not just Excel.
Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
Excel is actually only a small part of it.
Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
And these are income qualified customers anyway, so not everybody
who's buying an EV would have had access to this.
But right, you've got state tax credits, you've got federal
tax credits, you've got incentives from the automakers themselves, because
there hasn't been very much demand for the for EV
and you know, especially Ford has had so much trouble.
Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
I think it was I don't know when it was last.
Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
Year or last quarter, but Ford made a billion and
a half dollars in their gasoline and diesel cuts the
what's the word I'm thinking of their vehicle market just
for ordinary consumers, right, so not big heavy trucks and stuff,
but just regular vehicle market.
Speaker 4 (01:33:24):
They made a billion and a half dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
And then in their electric vehicle market like the Mustang
and the and the Ford F one fifty Lightning, they
lost a billion and a half dollars. So anyway, there
just hasn't been much demand.
Speaker 4 (01:33:40):
And so when I hear, oh, look.
Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
How great it is, like we've spent the five million dollars,
and the auto dealers are like, oh wow, people bought
lots of cars.
Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Yeah, if I tell you you can go get a
car that's not a car you really want, but you
can get it, you know, ten thousand dollars cheaper than
it otherwise would be because we're gonna subsidize it with
other people's money.
Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
The government's gonna subsidize it.
Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
With my children's future earnings, and Excel is gonna subsidize
it by raising the electricity rates on everybody who buys
power from them. Of course, people are gonna go buy
this stuff. And so to me, when when I hear
when I hear this good news bad news, things like No,
(01:34:27):
the fact that these cars are being sold is only
because these people are being given your money and your
children's future earnings. And it's it's just, I don't know.
It's a very expensive religion. Environmentalism is a very expensive religion,
except it's not that expensive for the people participating in
(01:34:50):
it because they get to spend other people's money on it.
All right, I'm gonna do one more story before we
get to.
Speaker 4 (01:34:57):
Need that tune.
Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
And this is a story that shocks me to the core,
absolutely the core. There's a lot of different versions of
this article. Here's a headline from the UK Daily Mail.
Lint the chocolate company l I n DT Mandy, do
you know this story? Have you seen this story about
Lint chocolate chocolate?
Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
Yeah, put her on the board.
Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
There's act so Lint concedes that it's chocolate isn't actually
quote expertly crafted with the finest ingredients.
Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
A middle lawsuit. So some people did some I know,
I know. So it's a pretty tired for this story.
So people did.
Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Some studies of chocolate bars and they found that some
of the Lint chocolate bars had higher levels than they're
supposed to have lead and cadmium whatever, Right, I know
it's chocolate that anyway, Right.
Speaker 10 (01:35:48):
Little cadmium in your diem and what's the big deal.
Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
You'll glow a little, it'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Actually, at my last check up, my doctor said I
wasn't getting enough cadmium. So I'm actually feeling pretty good
about it.
Speaker 4 (01:35:59):
But so this is this is actually the funny part
of the story.
Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
So then they get sued, you know, because there's people
looking to sue over everything, especially with labeling, right, they
get sued about it. And so in their defense they
say that, well, the stuff on our label about expertly
hand crafted with the finest ingredients is just really marketing
puffery and we.
Speaker 10 (01:36:24):
Don't acceptable marketing puffery.
Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
Puffery. And that's actually a word that came up in
the legal argument in the Cours lawsuit.
Speaker 10 (01:36:30):
There was a course lawsuit like eight years ago, and
I learned acceptable marketing puffery.
Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
I use it all the time, do you really all
the time.
Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
So they claimed it was acceptable marketing puffery and that
their stuff isn't expertly crafted, and YadA, YadA, YadA, and
a judge didn't buy it as a defense.
Speaker 4 (01:36:46):
But then the other thing that happened.
Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
Which makes this extra funny is that then people who
love Lint chocolate are saying like, well, what do you mean?
Like we always thought it was expertly crafted and had
the finest ingredients, and that's what you say. And then
and then so Lint after that said well, actually all
that stuff about not really expertly crafted with the finest ingredients.
(01:37:07):
We only said that for the court case. We didn't
really mean it.
Speaker 4 (01:37:12):
So we lied to the court. You can believe us now, yeah,
hight on your road. But now we're doing now we're
telling the truth. That part of the story is just
so funny.
Speaker 10 (01:37:20):
Mass produced chocolate has mass produced chocolate, you know what
I'm saying. Do you think Hershey's is carefully handcrafted by
a group of oopa loopas in what's going down? You
can buy it at the supermarket. It's not hand crafted?
Come on, So you.
Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
Know, we we have these things. Mandy's show has them.
My show has them that are called spotbusters. And there
are these very very short things that are played like
during the advertising breaks where you know, you know, I
said nice there's.
Speaker 4 (01:37:52):
One like nice job Ross.
Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
And then and then Dragon says, did you just congratulate yourselves.
Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
Did you just congratulations yourself? Like, yes, I did.
Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
And that thing's like five seconds long or seven seconds long, and.
Speaker 4 (01:38:03):
It plays just to kind of keep the flow going
during the show.
Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
So I don't know for sure if this is going
to happen, but we sent over to AJ for the
potential of making a spotbuster me telling you yesterday that
Sarah Brightman said I was sexy, and you bursting out.
Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
In the biggest round of laughter I have ever heard
from you or probably anybody else. It was funny. I
did not expect that. I know, I know went out
a left field.
Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
It was out a left field, and your reaction was
the funniest part of it. So we're going to see
if we can make a spotbuster of you laughing at
the information that Sarah Brightman said I was sexy.
Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
So I'm here to help.
Speaker 10 (01:38:43):
I am here to be a part of the solution people,
not a part of the problem.
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