11-24-25 - FULL SHOW George Brauchler on fentanyl laws Kevin Ingham discuses new poll and MTG resigning

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Ross. That's Gina. You met her already this morning.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hi Gina, Hi, and producer Shannon behind the glass for
this shortened trading week.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
As you described it, one thing really well, there were a.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Bunch of things that you said in the news that
kind of jumped out at me, Gina, but one that
was kind of funny was well, I don't know if
it's funny to see you, but see you's in fifteenth
place in the Big twelve.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
I thought there were twelve. Yep. I know, I don't
know how many there are.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I'm not that big a college sports guy, but I
would have thought I would have thought that there were
twelve in the Big Twelve. But anyway, we got a
lot to do on today's show. Gina's been covering a
lot of major headlines throughout Colorado Morning News from five
to six. If you missed any of that and you
want to catch up on lots of news, just go

(00:51):
to Kwacolorado dot com and find the podcast for Colorado
Morning News and you can.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Catch all of that.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
And we're going to follow up on a lot of it,
on a heck of a lot of it, And I
do just need to start with the Marjorie Taylor Green resignation.
And I'm gonna spend a fair amount of time on
this today, not because I care so much about Marjorie
Taylor Green. I don't care very much about her, but

(01:19):
it's a very interesting story for what it might mean,
we won't know until it's later and we're looking back
at it, but for what it might mean about the
status of the Republican Party, the situation within the Republican
Party right now.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
And I have to say, although I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Not a fan of MTG, I've never been a fan.
I think she's kind of an idiot. And she started
off as a QAnon person and a Pizzagate person and
the Jewish space Lasers, which producer Shannon and I had
a lot of fun with when that first came out
when I was still over on the other station. And
she's just not very bright. But that doesn't mean she's
wrong about everything. She's right about some things. And so

(02:02):
while I won't be sad to see her go, I
also think that some of the stuff that she said
is worth talking about, worth thinking about, and worth noticing.
And I have something like ten audio clips that I
cut up from MTG's ten and a half or eleven
minute statement that she gave announcing her resignation, and I'm

(02:24):
going to share these over the course of the show.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
I'm not going to do ten clips.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
For you right now, but i do want to share
a little bit just so we can talk about some things.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Americans are used by the political industrial complex of both
political parties election cycle after election cycle in order to
elect whichever side can convince Americans to hate the other
side more, and the results are always the same. No
matter which way the political pendulum swings, Republican or Democrat,

(02:53):
nothing ever gets better for the common American man or woman.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
I think that's about right. I think, yeah, I think
that's about right. And I think that's part of what's
been going on in American politics for quite some time now,
at least since the first election of Donald Trump. In
a sense, I think the first election of Donald Trump.
And we have to keep in mind he was up against,

(03:18):
you know, historically unlikable candidate in Hillary Clinton, and then
he got lucky again when the Democrats nominated another really
unlikable candidate in Kamala Harris. So Trump did get a
little lucky there, But just the fact that Trump even
won the primary. Remember that there were he was up
against a lot of you know, so called establishment Republicans
and a few who weren't establishment Republicans. Wasn't that the

(03:42):
wasn't that the year when Ben Carson was leading in
the polls for a little while early in the primary season.
But in any case, I think what we've been seeing
with you know, Trump and then and then Biden in
a way, and then Trump again is this kind of
cry for help from the American people, like, hey, don't
forget about us. We're out here. You're supposed to be

(04:03):
representing us, but instead you seem to just be doing
things for yourself. Right. The establishment seems to be taking
care of the establishment. The system seems to be taking
care of the system. And in Donald Trump's first election
in particular, one of his main lines was drain the swamp.
And he's done a little of that. It's a very
difficult thing to do. I'm not going to criticize Trump

(04:23):
for not being able to drain the swamp more because
the swamp is very large and very powerful, and he's
done some, and he's probably done.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
More than most people have, but it's still the swamp.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
And MTG was very much an anti swamp kind of creature.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
And I appreciated that about her.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Right again, I don't appreciate everything about her, but I
appreciate that about her.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
And oh, let me just mention this.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
So she announced that she would be resigning, and she
announced that her resignation would be effective January fifth.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
I think it is. And there's a reason.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
There's an important reason that she announced the resignation would
be then instead of now. After all, if all the
stuff that she said about government and about her frustrations
and about death threats to her family, if all that
is true, and I believe it is true, then all

(05:19):
else being equal, you would expect her resignation to be
effective immediately.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
But it's not. It's effective January fifth.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
And you know why because January fifth is five years
and two or three days after she first was sworn
into Congress. And you need to have five years to
be vested in your pension. So she's going to wait
until five years so that she will eventually when she's older,

(05:50):
get eight thousand dollars a year or nine thousand dollars
a year or something like that. The congressional pension is
pretty minimal, pretty minimal.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
If you haven't been there for quite a long time.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
But any case, that's if you were wondering, well, why
isn't she leaving until January? That's why. That's why I
have a lot more to say about Marjorie Taylor Green.
But let me just shift gears for a moment to
a couple of other things. I'll just mention this. I
don't really have a lot of analysis to add to it.
But over the weekend, the Israeli military had an air strike,

(06:26):
did an air strike in Beirut Lebanon for the first
time since July, and they took out the number two
leader of Hezbolah, their top military leader, the number one
guy you would probably call more like their political leader.
You know, it might be if you were thinking about
some analog in the United States, and it's not quite perfect,

(06:49):
but you know, the president versus the chief of staff
of the military or the chairman of the Joint Chiefs
or something like that. In any case, Israel took out
the top hesbela military guy and four other Hesbelah operatives.
They said Lebanon says a bunch of other people were injured.
But it sounds like and this is actually kind of incredible.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Just reminding us of how accurate modern.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Weapons can be when people want to use weapons that.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Accurate and target well. It appears that.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
The only people who were killed were members of Hesbelah,
which is incredible in terms of two things.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
The accuracy of the weapons.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
They flew rockets into the third story and fourth story
of a particular building.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
They didn't just bomb the building.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
The rockets went in the windows and exactly the floor
of the building that they wanted to go into. And intelligence,
somehow Israel knew who was there. And Okay, now's the time,
which is pretty amazing, isn't it. In any case, Israel says,
and I'm sure it's true that Hesbelah is trying to
rearm and trying to put.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Itself back in a position.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
To attack Israel again, and Israel's just not going to
allow it. And so far, the government of Lebanon, which
has said that they would work to disarm Hesbela, had
not done it so far, and that's probably because they're
not powerful enough to do it right. It's a very
strange situation in Lebanon. Hesbola has a lot of power,

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but they don't have equal power everywhere in the country.
It's sort of regional. But nevertheless, the central government probably
doesn't have the power to just go out and disarm Hesbelah,
and so they haven't, and so Israel has to keep
doing what they're doing. Another political story I want to mention,
Think about how weird this is. Think about what a
weird political world this is. When I guess this was

(08:37):
on the same day on Friday, Marjorie Taylor Green resigned
or announced her resignation from Congress. It won't be effective
for a while, but announced their resignation from Congress, saying
that Donald Trump is not America first enough for her.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
That was part of what she said. So that's weird.
That's weird.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
And then, as if that's not enough weirdness for one day,
Donald Trump then hangs out with zoron Kami Mom Donnie.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
And Kami Mom.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Donnie is Trump's nickname for him, uh, not mine, although
I'm happy to use it because I think that's what
he is.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
I think he's a communist.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
He calls himself a democratic socialist, but I mean just
in tour, in terms of the policies he stands for.
I believe he's a communist. I'm not using that word
as an insult, as.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
A pejorative, even though I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
But anyway, these two are hanging out in pardon me
in the Oval office and a reporter, well, listen to this.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
Are you affirmat that you think credit Trump's a fascist?

Speaker 1 (09:44):
I've spoken about that.

Speaker 6 (09:46):
Okay, okay, it's easier than explaining it pedal.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
But wow, So.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
A reporter asks Mom Donnie, Mom, Donnie, does he really
think Trump is a fashion And he hesitates very briefly,
but Trump jumps in right away, saying it's okay, just
say yes, I don't mind. And then Mom Donnie says yes.
It's a little hard to hear, but he does say yes,
and Trump kind of gives him a slap on the back.

(10:15):
Mam Donnie is standing next to Trump, who is sitting,
and he gives him a little backslap, and that.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
How how crazy is that to see like the.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Most prominent, furthest left politician in America these days, like
he probably is to the left of AOC and maybe
even to the left of Bernie Sanders, if you can
imagine that. But right there, to see those guys yucking
it up. I'll have more to say that say about
that in a bet. But there's a lot of stuff

(10:48):
going on in the world other than that. Gina's gonna
tell us about it, including a famous Colorado basketball player
in big trouble. But congratulations to Shador Sanders, who had
been kind of waiting in the wings after being drafted
in the fifth round when he was hoping. A lot
of people expected him to go earlier. But he finally

(11:10):
got a chance to start a game for the Cleveland Browns,
and he won the game twenty four to three.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
He was eleven of twenty.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
For two hundred and nine yards, and he was the
first rookie quarterback for the Browns.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Not for the whole league, obviously, but he was.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
The first rookie quarterback for the Browns to win his
first start in thirty years, which is a pretty remarkable thing.
Let me just do a quick mention of the stock
markets here. Gina mentioned already that stock index futures are
looking modestly up, and that remains true fifteen minutes later.

(11:52):
It's going to be a pretty quiet week trading unless
there's some big news in the world. I saw a
story I've been focusing a little bit on cryptocurrency. Cryptocurrencies
remain quite weak. They are generally down twenty five to
thirty percent in the past couple of weeks, and despite
the fact that there was a huge rally on Friday
and a decent little rally looking like it's lining up

(12:12):
this morning. One of the things to perhaps be aware
of is a lot of the people who trade crypto
also trade tech stocks.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
And.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
They tend to be the ones buying the dips when
when the tech stocks go down, because they feel very
rich from all the money they've made in crypto. So
what we need to keep an eye on on an
ongoing basis now is if crypto stays kind of weak,
will the NASDAK remain as resilient as it has been

(12:43):
in previous months. I don't have a prediction on that.
I just wanted to run it by you. That Money
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Speaker 1 (13:48):
Let me just cover this story briefly. It's a little.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Bit narrow and you might not hear it in other places,
but I think it's interesting. And this is in City
Journal by Chris Rufo, who you probably know of, and
a guy named Ryan Thorpe. And the headline of this
story is the largest funder of Al Shabab, which is
a Somali terrorist organization. Right, You've heard of these very
like Isis and Bokoharam and all this, but al Shabab

(14:14):
is the Somali version. The largest funder of all Shabab
is the Minnesota taxpayer. So that's a quote. It's also
the title of this particular article and the article which
is up on my blog.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Today at Rosskiminski dot com. And I've got a blog
note every day every day that I have a show at.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Ross Kiminski dot com, which read directs to my KOA
page and then you can click on the blog and
see all these topics and see our guests and all
this stuff. But it's a very interesting note about huge
amounts of fraud going on in the state of Minnesota.
There is a program in that state called HSS, which

(14:52):
stands for Housing Stabilization Services, and it was set up
and I'm quoting from the article to help seniors, addicts,
to disabled and the mentally ill secure housing. It was
designed with low barriers to entry and minimal requirements for reimbursement.
So what do you what do you immediately think of
when you think of a government program to give out
money that has low barriers to entry and minimal requirements

(15:16):
for reimbursement.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
You know what the rest of the story is going to.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Be, right, So they said when they set up this program,
the politicians in Minnesota or the bureaucrats, they estimated its
annual price tag would be just over two and a
half million dollars.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
In the first full year.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
After they put it in place, they paid out more
than twenty one million dollars, then forty two, then seventy four,
then one hundred and four million dollars last year, and
then the first half of this year is sixty one
million dollars, and now the state is looking to shut
it down because it appears that almost all of the
money being paid by that program is fraud. Is fraud,

(15:56):
and you have these completely fraudulent entities set up primarily
by Somali residents of Minnesota. And they go on in
this article to talk about other fraudulent activities. There was
a huge, like quarter billion dollar fraud called Feeding Our
Future that was also substantially the fraud being done by

(16:17):
Somali immigrants in Minnesota. And then there's yet another one
with Medicare Medicare medicaid fraud and autism in particular, where
you have these clinics being set up to say we're
treating autism, but they really weren't, but they were billing
medicaid for autism, and the number of autism providers in

(16:38):
the state went from forty one to three hundred and
twenty eight over just a handful of years, and one
out of sixteen Somali four year olds in Minnesota had
been diagnosed with autism. So I wonder how much of
the reported increase in autism in America is actually coming
from that kind of thing, and again that is coming
from Somali immigrants. And one of the interesting things about

(17:00):
this that I wonder about is how much of this
was kind of known by people in Minnesota, but they
didn't want to do anything about it because they were
afraid of being called racist. Just like with the with
the terrible sexual abuse gangs in England that were Pakistani
Muslim men that the politicians and the police knew about

(17:22):
but didn't do anything about because they were afraid of
being called racist. This cannot be allowed to persist. It
doesn't matter the race of a criminal or the ethnicity
of a criminal. All that matters is whether that person
is a criminal. You've got to stop this stuff. I'm Ross,
Good morning, Gina. This is Ross on the News with Gina.

(17:43):
That's Gen over there to say you can wave to
hear through the window and producer Shannon. We got producer
Shannon behind the glass this week. He's not a very
talkative sort. Well what, yeah, he's busy. So so Gina
and I had talked about this.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
I think we talked about it.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
On the air, and we are working on coming up
with an exact plan. And I think we've got one
for having lunch with you. So if you if you
want to come join me and Gina for lunch for
a burger. And what we did was we took we
took listeners suggestions for where to go for lunch and Gina,
do you want to do you want to announce where

(18:22):
and when we'll go meet people for lunch. Oh?

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
So I think it started.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
When we were talking about the best Burger by the
Best Burger, and then we made the disclaimer that it
had to have a veggie burger because I'm vegetarian.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
This place does not have a.

Speaker 5 (18:34):
Veggie burger, but they have other vegetarian options, and it
was really everybody was texting, you got to go to
Crown Burger yep. And so we're going to do that
at December tenth. That's a Wednesday. And I'm sorry, what
time are we doing because you have weird numbers.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
I mean, we can generally tell people noon for me,
I would set the appointment at twelve oh one because
twelve oh one is prime. Okay, sure, but we can
just generally say noon noon, Wednesday, December tenth, Crown Burger.
It's off of Colorado Boulevard, yep, just.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
A half mile south of I twenty five, between I
left and Evans.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I've never been, and it's a small place.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
It's a very small place.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
I might either get there early or call them and
just ask to like save a couple of big, sort
of picnic style tables inside. Yeah, and you know what
I would love to know just from listeners. And this
it's not a commitment, just sort of an indication. If
you think you'd be likely to come meet us for
lunch on Wednesday the tenth at noon at Crown Burger,

(19:32):
just text us at five six.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Six nine zero.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
And again, you don't have to show up if you
say you think you will. It's just so I can
get an idea of how many seats we might need.
But yeah, Crown Burger is really great. It's one of
my wife's favorite favorite burger places.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
And we'll keep reminding you of it.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
And all I didn't put it in the blog today,
I probably should have, but I will. I will put
it in the blog going forward as well. But Wednesday
to tenth at noon at Crown Burger. So, Gina, you
sent me this piece about a new workplace trend called borout,
So I've got some thoughts, but maybe you can kind.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Of set this up, Okay.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
So there's a difference between borout and burnout, but the
two can like overlap. You can have a little bit
of boorout, you can have a little bit of burnout.
I could truly say in my time working in news,
I've never had borout, but I've certainly had burnout because
obviously burnout just the mental exhaustion of just doing too much,
juggling too much and being very invested in making sure

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tight deadlines and everything is done well. Borout is the
chronic boredom or like the lack of motivation, when you
just have like a mind numbingly dull workplace, something that
you just have to do on and on again. You're
basic nine to five, where you're just typing in something
and you just do the same thing over and over

(20:47):
and over, and the repetitiveness of it. And that's when
people are saying they're starting to see more and more borout,
which is just the lack of interest, which is also
costly because a lot of people say, well, burnout is
the one that's really costly, because you watch people just
slowly burn out of their careers, not want to continue
with it, and pretty much give up. But borout is
when they're even more disengaged in just a job that

(21:09):
is necessary but so mindnumbingly dull that you just get
so tired of doing it constantly.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Okay, So here's what I thought when I read this
piece that you found.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Why now right?

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Because borout seems like a thing that if it were
inherent in human nature or something, we would have heard
about it before now. So I think there's I think
there's two possibilities as to wind out. Either work has
changed or workers have changed. Yeah, and I think we've
had lots of jobs with kind of boring, repetitive tasks

(21:43):
for as long as we've had you know, capitalism, or
even before that, And I wonder whether workers have changed,
Like when I look at especially.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
My younger kid, but just I don't want to sound.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Old, but like kids these days, what the what I
feel like the internet has done to the attention span right,
and what do you think.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
Definitely, people are looking for things that are way more uh,
something that gives them life, gives them passion, is a
little more exciting to them. Just then this is my job.
It pays the bills, and I'm gonna get away with it. Obviously,
I feel like.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Boorout's nothing new.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
They probably just found a new fun term for it,
because disengagement has probably always been around of just people
being just disengaged in what they do and just the
glaze over your eyes of I'm just gonna do exactly
what I need to do, block in, clock out, do
it again tomorrow. But I think you're right in saying
younger generation really looks for Okay, but what does this
mean for me? What am I getting out of this?

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Not just like, all right, I'm contributing to society, it's.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Paying my bills. I'll take it. Whatever it is, it works.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
I think they're looking for something that gives them a
little bit more life and doesn't have this just numbingly
dull situation that they're in constantly, which I can't blame them.
You know, there's a reason why I went into something
like this, because every day is new, every day is exciting.
Every day you have something that you're gonna tell listeners
that hopefully they haven't heard yet. But I also get

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that some people are just like, well, job's a job.
If it pays the bills, I'll do it again and
again and again, and that's it.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
So first of me, let me ask listeners.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
You feel like you've ever dealt with bor out, but
different from burnout, as Gina said, right, burnout you get tired,
you're worn out, you need a rest. Borout you're disengaged
from your job because you find it boring and you
find yourself tuning out. So I want to go back
to what you said because I think that it's an
interesting point, but it's different from the one I was making.
So you're talking about how a lot of young people

(23:32):
these days are sort of more overtly looking for satisfaction
in their work. And you even hear some of these
young people talk about like micro retirements. They'll do a
job for a few years and then they'll stop and
take an extended vacation or whatever and then do something else.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
And again I don't blame them.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
I think lots of people for decades or centuries have
gone into stuff just because it's there, and they do
it because they have to. And I sort of admire
young people who are prioritizing their selves themselves at least
a little bit. But what I what I wonder about
separately from that is is attention span, Like do they
have even the ability to focus on something Like when

(24:10):
my son, my younger son, frequently tells me Dad, I'm bored,
and I say to him, that's because you're boring, right right.
You don't do anything, you don't know anything you do,
You're only your one hobby is video gaming.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
You don't do anything else.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
And I and I wonder if people get bored because
they can't focus on anything and they're and they're boring.

Speaker 5 (24:34):
Yeah, I guess you're right in the idea of like
the TikTok mindset just makes them unable to.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Do any Yeah job really right now?

Speaker 5 (24:43):
You know, Like it's something that is just everything is
so fast paced and scroll scroll, scroll, and keep everything
so constantly fresh and new, and half the time you're scrolling,
you don't even remember what you just saw thirty seconds ago.
That's how like TikTok our brain has really gotten. So
maybe it's just a general or out of the entire workforce. Like,

(25:03):
I don't know if there's really a rule of thumb
of how they're going about it nowadays, because I just
feel like the days of keeping a job for decades
is long.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Long gone, long gone. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
But also just finding something that can keep a younger
generation intrigued for even a year is debatable.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, and definitely a challenge for employers as well. All Right,
when we come back, Well, we're gonna we're gonna have news,
We're gonna have traffic, we're gonna have weather, and then
we're gonna have what town in Colorado has been charging
three hundred and forty dollars for speed camera tickets, probably
in violation of the city's own laws. I'll tell you

(25:45):
after this and after Ginette tells you other things. Sner
says Russ, I'm forty seven years old and I've never
been at the same job for more than five years.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Wow, yep, that's really something, honestly.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Same.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, you're not forty seven years old, but definitely have
not been in I have no idea how old you are,
and don't tell me. I don't know that weird. I
really don't know how old gena is. Yeah, keep it
that way. Yeah, let's keep it that way. Answer to
the listener question, are we buying your lunch? No, we
are not buying your lunch. You can join me and

(26:22):
Gina at lunch at Crown Berger on Wednesday, December tenth
at noon or twelve oh one if you like prime
numbers like I do. We are not buying your lunch,
but please come come meet us there. I wanted to
mention this story to you. I saw this on nine News.
Nine News has this guy named Steve Steger who does
a segment called Steve on Your Side, and it's kind
of one of those consumer you know, taking care of

(26:46):
people who are being abused by a store or you know,
a business or a city or something, and they get
in touch with this dude, Steve, and he tries to
figure out what's going on and if someone's doing something wrong,
he tries to get something done about it.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
So he got a few people coming.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
To him about getting three hundred and forty dollars photo
radar tickets for speeding from the town of Kurzy, which
is in Weld County, Krsy. Three hundred and forty dollars tickets.
And what's interesting about this is the city and the
state have their own regulations that limit how much the

(27:23):
fines can be for speed cameras, and the town's own
ordinance says that the maximum penalty that can be issued
for speeding based on a speed cameras, which is different
from a cop pulling you over right, is forty dollars
or it can double to eighty dollars in school zones
and construction zones.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Anyway, Kurzy has this area.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
And it's not an area where I've driven, but Weld
County Road forty nine near Colorado State Highway thirty four,
and they've got a speed camera in a spot where
the speed limit goes from sixty five down to forty
five in less than a quarter of a mile, and
clearly a bunch of people are ignoring that drop because

(28:08):
the three hundred and forty dollars tickets are for people
going at least twenty five miles per per hour over
the speed limit. So let's say you were going seventy
one in a sixty five, and maybe you either don't
see or ignore the lower speed limits, and then suddenly
you're doing seventy one in a forty five, and then
you get the speed camera thing, and they issue you

(28:29):
a three hundred and forty dollars ticket. The problem is
that they're not allowed to. Now the city has been saying, well,
it's really because because twenty five over it would be
a criminal violation if a cop pulled you over for it,
we're just sort of making it the equivalent kind of
penalty as if you got caught for that criminal violation,

(28:50):
which you know, because you'd have a very big problem
if a cop pulled you over going twenty six miles
per hour over the speed limit, but the law doesn't
give them permission to do that. The speed camera is
not the same as a cop pulling you over. And
so Steve Steger got involved. He contacted the police chief
over there, and now they are yes. The police chief said, well,

(29:11):
the three hundred and forty dollars functions effectively as a
plea deal for criminal speeding, but they can't charge criminal
speeding from speed camera. So in any case they paused
these things, We're going to see what happens next.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
But the city is claiming.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Still that they think they're going to be in the right.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
That they think what they're doing is okay.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
And I think the main reason they're saying that this
little town of Curzy is that check this out. They
have taken in over three hundred and sixteen thousand dollars
in these tickets, which means over nine hundred people have
gotten speed camera tickets in that stretch for going more
than twenty five miles per hour over the speed limit,

(29:50):
which makes me think that the speed limit change is
not very well marked, although I haven't seen it, so
I don't know for myself. In any case, when you're
driving in the town of Curzy, be careful or maybe
just don't drive there at all until they start paying
attention to their own laws.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
That's Gina, Good morning, Gina, Good.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Morning, producer Shannon over there, and for many years now.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
I shouldn't say many. For some years now.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Fentanel has been a huge issue in the United States
and in Colorado. I want a particular issue in Colorado
because the state legislature did something sort of decriminalizing at
least certain levels of possession or even distribution of fentanyl,
and it's become a significant problem in lots of places,
and we may soon here in Colorado have a ballot

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measure currently known as Initiative eighty five to vote on
that could change things significantly when it comes to fentanyl.
Joining us to talk about it is George Brouckler, who
is the district Attorney, the first ever district attorney of
the newly created twenty third judicial district that includes Douglas, Elbert,

(30:57):
and Lincoln Counties.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
George, good to have you here.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
I think it's the first time I've talked to you
on the air since you were got in this job.
Maybe one other time. But before we start on the fentanyl,
how is the new gig?

Speaker 6 (31:10):
It's great, It's the uh, it's the opposite. I'll give
you one quick example. It's the opposite of when I
got to a RAQ back in the twenty ten to
twenty eleven timeframe, when I got off the plane and
to create the sergeant that picked me up in our
little humby said to me, hey, sir, just pace yourself here.
Every day is Monday. And I'm like, I don't know

(31:31):
what that means. But about two weeks into it, I realized,
my god, there is a certain routine that is you
lose track of what the days are, the weeks, the months,
and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
This is the opposite of that.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
No day is ever the same, and when we have
time on a you know, another day, we'll talk about
the differences between your your previous district which included a
Rapo County, as well as where you are now versus
just where you are now.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
I think the differences are really interesting.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
But let's let's talk about fentanyl and maybe before you
just give us the details, and we got about five
or six minutes here, but before you give us the
details of what's in the ballot measure, explain the problem
that this ballot measure is trying to solve.

Speaker 6 (32:11):
Well, there was a time when Colorado used to classify
possession of Schedule one and Schedule two drugs as regular
felonies like anything else, burglary, cart that's that kind of thing.
Some years ago we changed those to drug felonies and
treated them far more rehabilitation oriented than punishment oriented. But
sadly that also included drug dealers. And then in twenty nineteen,

(32:32):
if you'll recall, the legislature said, oh, hell, let's just
make the possession of really usable amounts of any of
these poisons misdemeanors. And despite the fact that we fought
hard against that, even when I was DA, it passed well,
then we started to plant bodies in the ground, thousands
of bodies and just the state of Colorado over opioid

(32:52):
and fentanyl overdoses. Then the legislature got together in twenty
twenty two and said, well, we'll fix it, but they
really didn't fix it. Instead, what they said is, I
guess if you have two to four grams, it could
be a felony, but it won't be mandatory if you
do this, if you distribute it and kill people, as
long as you stay by their bodies until first responders

(33:12):
come to pronounce them dead, basically you can avoid mandatory prison.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
And what we've seen is no real decrease. So I'll
give you one big example.

Speaker 6 (33:20):
Nationwide, Let's say last year ish there was about one
hundred and ten thousand opioid fentanyl related overdose deaths.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
That's going to.

Speaker 6 (33:28):
Drop down to somewhere in the high seventies, maybe eighty,
low eighties. Thousands of deaths, But Denver is actually seeing
an increase. And just from January of twenty four until
September of twenty four, if you compare that to the
same period of time this year, Denver is up twenty
two percent in opioid overdose, the vast majority of those

(33:51):
fentanyl related. So the problem that we have is we
have taken all of the teeths out of the law
enforcement tiger and we're trying to gum our.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Way to protecting the community and we can't do it.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Okay, So tell us then, what this ballot measure would
do and whether you think it will make a difference.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
I'll take the last part first, Alex.

Speaker 6 (34:11):
I think it will make a difference, and I don't
think it's immediate, but I do think it's over time,
and I think the message is being sent here in
advanced Colorado really gets all the credit for this. I
think they waited around session after session after session hoping
they would make some changes that would help to address
this situation, and because the legislature refuses to, they went

(34:31):
ahead and did it on their own with two hundred
thousand Colorado signatures.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
That's not easy. But what it does is this. It says,
we're going to take all the quantities out of this.

Speaker 6 (34:41):
If you are a distributor or a manufacturer, any kind
of a seller possessed with the intent to distribute any
amount of fentanyl, you are going to face something called
a DF one a drug pelony one that is mandatory
prison eight to thirty two years in the Department of Corrections.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
But let's be.

Speaker 6 (34:56):
Honest with each other, because it's not a crime of violence.
In Colorado has con sentencing system. You can cut those
numbers into a third and that's what someone would serve
before they'd be parole eligible. But on the other side,
they have built in a harder push and more mandated
treatment or rehabilitation for the actual addicts, for the users.
So they've taken that misdemeanor that has so little consequences.

(35:21):
No attic shows up to court and says, yes, I
want to sign up for very owner's drug court. They
don't want to do it because I'll just take my
misdemeanor and go home. It's going to be expunged in
a matter of months anyway, and it elevates it to
a DF four a fourth plus pelty probation eligible, not
mandatory prison. And ain't nobody going to prison on that charge.
And then it forces them into a position where they

(35:42):
want to get into rehab and address this.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
So it really has a nice balance.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Okay, So just to be clear on something, the drug
felony one with a mandatory minimum of eight years, although
as you said, with parole and all, they'll get out
much sooner. But still, let's say John is selling Joe
half a gram of fentanyl. John is the dealer, Joe

(36:05):
is the addict. They don't face the same punishment in
that situation. Like if John holding a half a gram
before the transaction Joe holding half a gram after the transaction,
are they treated differently one hundred percent?

Speaker 6 (36:21):
In fact, there's probably a grand canyon's worth of difference
between those people in terms of the potential penalties. One
might get lit up with a DF four, which is
that probation eligible, let's get you into treatment. The other
guy faces the potential for the DF one. The reality is,
no prosecutor is sending a one time half a gram
seller to prison for eight to thirty two years for this.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
That's just not gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (36:45):
But it is a tool to try to discourage anyone
out there from pedalants. So one other thing this law does,
if you didn't get a chance to see it, and
I know I sent you that redline version late, is
there used to be a defense in there that said, hey,
you can say I didn't know what I was selling.
I thought I was selling talcum powder or cocaine. I
didn't know it had fentel in it. And if you
did that, it took away a whole bunch of the

(37:07):
penalties related to this. This strips that out and now
puts the burden back on the drug dealer. Best know
what you're selling, because if you're putting poison out in
the community, you will wear the fentanyl if it's in there.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
All right, just a few seconds here, We're just about
out of time. But I'm just unclear on something. If
if somebody is caught with intent to distribute some amount
of fentanyl, are you saying that even under this law,
a prosecutor doesn't have to charge them with a DF one.
They could charge them as right.

Speaker 6 (37:38):
Absolutely, Prosecutors retain infinite amounts of discretion.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
As to what charges to bring. Absolutely right.

Speaker 6 (37:44):
The other thing, too, is possession with intent is an
I have half a gram. Possession with intent is usually
based on quantity. Rarely do we do the wire thing
and we catch people in a transaction we get like
one point seven million pills out of a shed or
a storage unit, a Highlands drench.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
That's possession with intent to distribute.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
George Brockler's district attorney for the newly created twenty third
Judicial District, which is Douglas, Elbert, and Lincoln Counties. Thanks
for the update, George. We'll definitely keep in touching for
you on this.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Appreciate your time, Zerus. See.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, we'll take a quick break. We'll be right back
on KOA. Actually it's not really a break. We've got
a couple of words, then we got news, and we
got weather, then we've got traffic, just like we're bringing
you every fifteen minutes here on KOA. Gina mentioned that
she had seen Wicked for Good, So it's Wicked Colon
for Good, the second movie in the Wicked movie series,
which is the screen adaptation of the Broadway musical, And

(38:38):
I sort of didn't put it together that Gina saw
a pre screening and that it wasn't open to the
public yet. It just opened to the public a few
days ago, and it had a huge opening, one hundred
and fifty million dollars in the US two hundred and
twenty six million dollars around the world.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
It's, you know, set some.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Set, some records, and I'll talk about them in a second.
But Gina I'm curious because my recollection is.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
That you said you didn't entirely love it.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
Yeah, so it's no surprise that it's doing well at
the box office because you want to see the second part.
If you saw the first part, you're gonna want to
see the rest of it. And that's exactly how it goes.
And I've actually am somebody who'd never seen the Broadway
version of it before, so this was all relatively new
to me. I knew the general idea of how it goes,
but it was pretty new to me. I have heard, though,

(39:25):
with the Broadway version that the second part falls flat.
That has always been really told in the musical on stage. Ye,
the second part just doesn't hold up as well as
the first half. And that's exactly how the movie felt.
It was just there's not as many catchy songs, the
choreogra there's not really like really well choreographed dance numbers.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
It's just the whole build up to it.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
I just felt like didn't go where I wanted to
really see it go.

Speaker 6 (39:54):
Now.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of Phantom
of the Opera.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
I love Phantom of the Opera.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
I would also argue the second half is not as strong,
But every single time I watch it, I'm like.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Oh my goodness, this was beautiful. I love it every
single time.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
So I did see a lot of people in the
theater that left Wicked the exact same way, just sniffle
in tears.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
They love it, just something that means so much to them.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
But for me, as someone who's not really attached to
the Broadway version of it, I just didn't feel like
it really went anywhere.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I wasn't super happy with it. I felt like some
of the jokes in it.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
Were just kind of falling flat, and it just didn't
really feel like it stuck as much as I was
hoping it would.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Fortunately for the movie makers, the critics liked it better
than you did, right, and the audiences seem to be loving.
I didn't see the first one. Maybe I will when
it comes out on It might be on streaming already.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
It's not so usually the kind of thing I watched,
but maybe I would. I just want to share a
couple of a couple of numbers here, and this is
from the Hollywood Reporter. Domestically, the biggest start ever for
a Broadway musical adaptation after it beat last.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Year's Wicked and the third.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Biggest of all time among any musical movie, behind The
Lion King and Beauty and the Beast and not adjusted
for inflation. Second biggest North American opening ever for a
movie from Universal Studios after Jurassic World, second biggest for
the weekend before Thanksgiving after The Hunger Games catching Fire,
second best three day launch of this year after a

(41:23):
Minecraft movie. So this thing is absolutely kicking butt. But
you know what, I'll tell you what. I want to
ask you one more thing about this, but I know
we got to get to some quick words here, but
I saw a thing in the Hollywood Reporter. I'm just
gonna mention it now and we can talk about it after.
But they talk about how part of the reason the
movie is so successful is the lack of movies having

(41:47):
been made that appeal to girls and women and kids generally,
and they think that that's a huge part of the
success of this. So we'll talk about that, and we
got a ton of other stuff to do. I do
have to come back the MTG resignation as well. We'll
do all that after a few words, and after Gina
updates you on what's going on in the world. Prefer

(42:08):
Jimmy Cliff to Bob Marley. If I had to listen
to one of them. Not much of a reggae guy,
but I had to listen to one of them, I
do that. We have a ton of stuff still to
do on today's show. Let me remind you briefly and
we'll talk about this. I mean, it's only we're not
even at Thanksgiving yet. But if you want to join
me and Gina and possibly, but not certainly Producer Shannon,

(42:32):
who goes Producer Shannon sounds like this, go ahead? Go ahead?

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Would you, Producer Shannon? That's the best anyway.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
If you want to join us for lunch and we're
not buying your lunch, just come hang out with it.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
You're not buying our lunch either, all right.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Well, we'll each buy our own lunches and we're gonna
we're gonna meet up at noon at Crown Burger twenty
one ninety two South Colorado Boulevard, but basically east side
of Colorado Boulevard, half a mile south of its twenty five.
It's between Ileff and Evans around noon on Wednesday, December tenth.
We would love to see you there. And yeah, that's

(43:09):
it December tenth, So come join me and Gina and
maybe Shannon as well. Gina, I wanted to just ask
you this one last question about Wicked for Good because
it's doing so well. But the Hollywood reporter said, and
I'm quoting the movies better than expected performance more than
proves the.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Buying power of girls and women.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Nearly seventy percent of audience were females. And you're the
female in the room here. Do you think, what do
you make of that? What's your gut reaction to that? Ummmm,
it doesn't surprise me.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
I mean, Ariana Grande brings in such a massive young
female watch she plays a good witch, yes, and then
so Cynthia Rivo, both of them. Just the way that
they've really drawn a huge social media stir about them,
and just the like girl gang that they've kind of had,
the two of them, and just how inseparable they've been
throughout this entire movie making process.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Not surprised by that.

Speaker 5 (44:06):
I think it's also just the fact that it's a musical,
and I feel like that usually draws in more females
than males.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
But do you feel like there's a shortage of movies
that appeal to women or do you think that's probably overstated?

Speaker 5 (44:19):
No, I think I think that's probably overstated, unless unless
you're thinking more like okay, chick flick versus I don't know,
action movie. This is one that's like, Okay, it's a musical,
it's really based on two women and a very big
women's empowerment kind of idea of a movie.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Sure, but I don't think so.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
I mean, but I don't usually watch a movie and
think what gender did this really appeal to?

Speaker 2 (44:42):
I don't know. I think it's interesting that the records
that this movie broke were of movies like the original
Wicked and The Hunger Games and Minecraft.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
And stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Like that, it seems like there's there's not that many
movies made aiming for kids.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
So when there is one.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
They all go right and then it makes an immense
amount of money.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
I think this did a good job like bringing in
a bunch of different female audiences too, Like every age
is kind of like if you've seen it on Broadway,
you're older, you want to see it. If you're there
with your kids, you want to bring them to it.
But I know you said a lot of them have
very very good reviews. Yeah, seventy percent on Rotten Tomatoes.
And the New Yorker's headline, I think is very funny

(45:24):
and it says wicked.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
For good is very very bad. Wow. So there are
some mixed reviews for sure. Now the seventy percent on
Rotten Tomatoes is seventy percent from critics. Yeah, the audience
reviews are like ninety six or something like that.

Speaker 5 (45:39):
And I watched that slowly drop the days after it
was released because it was high.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
But then they.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
Start to get more and more critic reviews and things
like that, and that's when they started to lower it
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
So not terrible, but it wasn't my favorite. I'll go
with that.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
But they're laughing all the way to the bank. Good
for them.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Okay, I want to talk little bit more now about
the resignation of Marjorie Taylor Green. Very very interesting and
I want to just do a little analysis and I'm
gonna share with you a little more audio.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
So what does it mean?

Speaker 2 (46:08):
And what I wonder is are we going to look
back on the resignation of one of the most maga
America first politicians that you can name. She has been
one of the strongest supporters of Donald Trump, and you
know as maga as.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
You can be.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
She has split with Donald Trump on a couple things recently,
and she's talked about that in her resignation statement, and
I'll probably get to that audio in a minute. But
she has been an incredible champion of Trump and split
from him recently on a couple of things. One is,
of course, the Epstein files, and that's the thing that
really seems to have crushed their relationship. It still remains

(46:50):
unclear to me why Donald Trump went from being at
least modestly supportive during the presidential campaign. He was never
like jumping up and down cheering about it, but he
was fine with modestly supportive of releasing the so called
Epstein files, whatever those are. And then for some reason
he changed and he didn't want him released anymore. And

(47:12):
it was kind of, I think, the first big thing
in which Trump clearly lost the base. Now he maintained
control over most of Congress, but not enough control because
Democrats realized that by forcing the release of the Epstein files,
even though they don't actually care what's in them, they

(47:33):
would create a loss for Trump. Trump doesn't want X.
If we can make X happen. It's a loss for Trump.
They don't care what X is. And they got enough
Republicans they only needed four.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
To go along with it.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Thomas Massey, Lauren Bobert, MTG and I'm blanking on who
the fourth one was. But they got another one and
that was and so then Trump, when it became clear
that it was gonna happen, Trump said, yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
I'm sup.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
I support it, released the files. But Trump only did
that because he knew he was gonna lose. So Trump
is mad. He knows he got pushed into that. And
I don't know why he didn't want it, but he
knows he got pushed into it. He knows MTG was
a big part of it. And so they have this
kind of ugly breakup. So are we going to look
back on it and say this was the beginning.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Of Trump just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
I'm not saying this is a massive thing, but it
doesn't need to be massive to be important. Trump a
little bit losing grip over the magabase. I don't mean
they're abandoning him, but if if ten percent of them say, ah,
you know what, this guy's disappointed me too much, and
decide that they are not gonna and they usually don't

(48:51):
anyway show up for mid term elections. The Republicans are
going to be in big, big trouble. And what about
in the twenty twenty eight presidential election. This is also
it's so very bad for Jdvans, and it's probably very
bad for any Republican candidate, a little of Marjorie Taylor Green.
Let's see here, I'm going to go with this one.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
I have fought harder than almost any other elected Republican
to elect Donald Trump and Republicans to power. I traveled
the country for years. I spent millions of my own money.
I missed precious time with my family that I can
never get back. And I showed up in places like
outside the New York Courthouse and collect Pond Park against

(49:31):
a raging leftist mob as Trump faced Democrat Lawfair. Meanwhile,
most of the establishment Republicans who secretly hate him and
who stabbed him in the back and never defended him
against anything, have all been welcomed in right after the election.
And I will never forget the day I had to
leave my mother's side as my father had brain surgery

(49:54):
to remove cancerous tumors in order to fly to Washington,
d C. To defend president and vote no against the
Democrats' second impeachment in twenty twenty one. My poor father
and my poor mother. It was way too much for
all of us.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
So what she's sitting up here is, and I don't
think she's wrong, by the way, is that she did
a lot to help Donald Trump and help other mega Republicans,
and she did spend a lot of time. When she
says she spent her own money, I don't think she
actually spent her own money. I think what she spent
was money that had been contributed to her campaign. It's
not money that was available for her to spend. But

(50:32):
in any case, she thinks of it that way. And
she talks about how much she did to help the
mega movement and Trump, and she did, and she goes
on to say.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
This, through it all, I never changed or went back
on my campaign promises and only disagreed in a few areas,
like my stance against H one b's replacing American jobs,
AI state moratoriums, debth for life, fifty year mortgage scams,
standing strongly against all in and foreign wars, and demanding
the release of the Epstein files. Other than that my

(51:05):
voting record has been solidly with my party and the president.
Loyalty should be a two way street, and we should
be able to vote our conscience and represent our district
centrists because our job title is literally representative.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
And that's where I think she made a mistake, and
that is thinking that with this particular president that loyalty
is a two way street. It never has been. He
demands loyalty and he doesn't offer any. And now it's
come back to bite her. And I think she's right
that she did more than almost anybody else to try

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to help Donald Trump. She disagreed with him on some things,
especially lately, she disagreed with him on some big things.
But in any case, now Marjorie Taylor Green is leaving
Congress with the resignation effective in January. We'll talk about
a little bit more later on in the show. Right now,
Gina is going to tell us what's going on as
we head into Thanksgiving, the biggest travel week of the year.

(52:08):
At some point, not right now, but I got to
think a little more about that story that Gina was
talking about regarding being able to buy lottery tickets online
right and the Governor's for it and some plenty of
other politicians are against it. I think that's a really
interesting story. I need to brainstorm that one, but maybe
you can text me your thoughts right now anyway at.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Five six six nine zero. I'm not going to talk
about it more.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
But what's your gut instinct to the idea of being
able to buy lottery tickets on your phone and not
just online with a credit card as.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Well with a credit card?

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Right? Okay? Yeah, and you know you hear so many
people dealing with gambling addictions and such.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
I'd love to know what you think.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I'm not going to talk about that more right now,
but five six six nine zero, let me know your
thoughts on that. I want to just come back to
politics for a second. I talked about this an hour
and a half ago, but I haven't talked about it
in the seven o'clock hour, and that is this whole
Trump mom Donny thing. Really interesting time there. I don't

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usually play the same audio clip twice in the show,
but I'm I'm going to play this again because it
was just such a strange moment. This is a reporter
asking Mom Donnie whether he actually does think that Trump
is a fascist?

Speaker 5 (53:20):
Are you affirmat that you think Carter Trump's a fascist?

Speaker 6 (53:23):
I've spoken about Okay, okay, it's easier than explaining it.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
And did you hear that little sound at the end.
Let me just see if I can play this little
pitt that again. You hear that thing sounds like a
little a little click. Anyway, that's that's Trump kind of
slapping Mom Donnie on the back like these guys are,
you know, fraternity brothers. Very interesting moment. So and then

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and then Trump posted on social media all kinds of
pictures of him and Mom Donnie paddling around together. And
I think this is super interesting politically for a couple
of reasons. First, why would Trump be so effusively praiseworthy
of a guy whose nickname Trump's nickname for him is
Kami Mom Donnie, right, and the guy really is a

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communist if you read his positions on things.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Why would Trump do that?

Speaker 2 (54:21):
So? I think there are two possible reasons. One, Mam
Donnie probably flattered him quite a bit, quite a bit
and butted him up, and Trump likes that, but more machiavellian.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Here's what I think is going on there.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I think that Trump thinks that it will cause all
kinds of uproar and consternation among Mam Donnie's base voters
when they see him panling around with Trump, because those
people hate Trump, and Mam Donnie essentially campaigned well, I

(54:57):
don't want to overstate it.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Part of his campaign was anti Trump.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
I will say a lot of Mom Donnie's campaign was
very New York centric, affordability oriented. He wasn't one of
these people who made his campaign all about Trump like
many other Democrats have done.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
There was some about that, but.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
In any case, I think Trump is thinking, all right,
look my base. The Trump base knows I'll talk with anyone.
I'll talk with Kim Jong Oun, I'll talk with Vladimir Putin.
Who cares if I talk with Mom Donnie. Everybody knows
I'm transactional. I'll talk with anybody. I don't care.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
It doesn't hurt me with my base to talk with this.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Guy, but it probably hurts him with his base to
be seen as paling around a lot with me. So
I think that's part of what's going on there. The
other side of that coin, or maybe it's a three
sided coin. Could you could you even theoretically make a
three sided They told me there'd be no math. I
have to think about that.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Anyway, the other side of the three sided coin could
uh potentially could POTENTI be And I think this is
more of a negative for Republicans now that Mam Donnie
was going to be the boogeyman, right, the way that
Republicans used to run against Nancy Pelosi, and that you
would have let's say, a Republican running for Congress in

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Colorado who would frequently bring up Nancy Pelosi in the campaign,
saying I'm running for office so that I can oppose
Nancy Pelosi in Congress. Well, Mam Donnie was going to
be that guy, right, even more than AOC.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Mam Donnie was going to be that guy, the communist.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
And you know, this is gonna kind of sound bad,
but there was certainly going to be a little bit
of this as well, the foreign communist. Right, he's from
afri he's born to Indian parents, but for in Africa,
born in Africa. Uh, And there was going to be
this whole, you know, communist thing that many Republicans were

(56:56):
going to campaign against. I have no idea whether that
would have been a successful angle to take or not,
but that was going to be a big thing for
a lot of Republicans in their campaigns, and now.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
They can't do it. Now they can't do it because Trump.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Is his buddy. Everything, everything in politics has secondary effects
and tertiary effects and that kind of thing. I want
to make a quick mention here, this is gonna be
a very thin trading week when it comes to when
it comes to market, it's going to be a very
very thin week. Not a lot of people trading. Just

(57:32):
you know, the market open quite a bit higher today,
it's bouncing.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Around quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
The Dow a moment ago was down. Now I think
it's somewhere around flat, but it gave up one hundred
and something point gain. The Nasdaq, however, still really really
strong and for months now this is really where the
strength of the market has been has been in the Nasdaq,
and it is it is today as well. We'll keep
an eye on it as we do always in Gina.
We'll keep you updated on the markets throughout the rest

(57:57):
of the show as well. That Money and Aren't It
commentary brought to you by Blue Heron Capital Gene is
going to give you some updates on the news. You're
gonna get traffic You're gonna get weather in the next
several minutes, and when we come back, Kevin Ingham, who
is a polster with the Colorado Polling Institute, really interesting
numbers about some politics and how people are feeling that

(58:19):
goes beyond politics right here in Colorado.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Get right to our special guest.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Kevin Ingham has been on the show quite a few
times before. He is a Democratic polster at the bipartisan
Colorado Polling Institute. I don't even know who the Republican
polster is. I keep I keep having you. You do
such a good job. Who's the primary Republican polster over there?

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (58:44):
Lori Weigel at new Bridge Strategy is our Republican polster
as part of the bipartisan team.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
So I wanted to talk about the poll that you
guys just released a few days ago, your your state
wide pole here in Colorade. It had some really interesting findings.
It's not all political. I think a lot of it
is maybe a little bit a little bit troubling for
the state, not including the state's politicians, but not primarily

(59:12):
for them, just how people are feeling. Why don't you
just tell us a couple of the top things that
jumped out for you, and then I've got a couple
of questions.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Yeah. Absolutely. So this was a survey of a little over.

Speaker 7 (59:24):
Six hundred, likely twenty twenty six voters statewide here in Colorado.
And when we asked voters how they're feeling about politics,
this is not necessarily directed to any particular politician, but
just politics in general, voters were very concerned.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
We asked a question.

Speaker 7 (59:41):
About the political situation in the United States, and just
three percent of Colorado voters said that the state of
US politics is in good shape. Seventy two percent went
as far as calling it a crisis. We also asked
a question, for example, about political violence, whether they thought
that that was when to worse and ease or stay

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about the same, and almost two thirds of Colorado voters
said that political violence in the United States they anticipated
was going to get worse in the future. And what's
interesting about this is that we pulled the question about
political violence from a national survey because we wanted to
ask the question the exact same way. So we compared

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Coloraden's attitudes to Americans' attitudes across the country, and Coloraden's
were actually eleven points more likely than the rest of
the country to say, the political violence is going to
get worse. So it's clearly a lot of concern right
now about the state of our politics here in Colorado,
and in some ways there might be more concern in

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Colorado than there is in the rest of the country.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
One of the other questions that you asked about is
the direction that the state is going. And it's not
surprising what some of these results are, but I'd still
like to hear them from you about the differences in
the perception of whether the state is going the right
way or the wrong way based on whether the person

(01:01:08):
who's answering is a Republican or a Democrat or independent
slash on affiliated.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:01:15):
So this is actually our fifth state wide survey, and
we've been asking the same question every time, and the
question is, generally speaking, would you say things in Colorado
are headed in the right direction or are they off
on the wrong track? And we've found over the last
five surveys that voters have been pretty consistent about this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Roughly half of Colorado.

Speaker 7 (01:01:34):
Voters have been saying that things are beheading in the
right direction, and slightly fewer, usually in the mid forties,
have been saying wrong tracks. So voters have been pretty
divided about the direction of the state. That every single
time that we have done this, we've looked under the
hood to try and understand how partisanship might impact those perceptions,
and we've always seen the same thing. When you look

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at Democrats, for example, three quarters believe the state is
heading in the right direction. When you look at Republicans,
almost equal numbers say the opposite, saying that they think
of the state as heading in the wrong direction. And
when we look at unaffiliated voters, which is a huge
chunk of the voters here in Colorado, those voters are
almost always evenly divided. In this most recent survey, forty

(01:02:14):
five percent said yeah, we're going in the right direction
and forty four percent saying we're going in the wrong direction.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Right, and so when you have that overall number among
all Colorados, it's about split fifty to fifty, roughly right
track versus wrong track. And to me, that's a lot
like the guy whose head is in the oven and
his feet are in the freezer, so on average, he's fine,
right it really that you know, it's you really. Averages

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can be misleading. They're not always misleading, but they but
they can be misleading. One of the other things I
thought was interesting was you asked people, Oh and let
me just mention to listeners you want to read more
Copollinginstitute dot org.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Copollinginstitute dot org.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
And it's up on my blog as well at Commensky
dot com if if you want to find this poll.
You ask people what are their top issues? And I
was actually kind of surprised that immigration comes up first,
even though it's been a huge issue in this state.
I still would have thought that cost of living would
come up first, although I think you separated cost of

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living and housing costs into two categories, so if you
combine them, they would have been number one by a
long way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Yeah, that's that's accurate.

Speaker 7 (01:03:28):
So what we try and do is ask people an
open ended question, meaning we don't give them options to
choose from. They tell us in their own words what
they think is the most important issues for the Colorado
State government to address. They tell us in their own words.
Then we try and bring the answers that are similar
together so we can give a sense of proportionality. And
so nine percent of voters mentions something to do with immigration, right,

(01:03:51):
and that could be things like there's too much legal
immigration or could be I'm concerned about ice and deportations.
But then we also separate out people who have a
gen sense that the cost of living is something that
needs to be addressed with a specific concern about housing affordability.
In CPI surveys going back to twenty twenty three, we
have consistently seen that cost of living and the cost

(01:04:13):
of housing are very high priorities for Colorado voters. And
so when we separate those out, sure, they sort of
are roughly equal statistically, even with the number who are
mentioning immigration related issues, But when you combine those who
are sort of focused on cost of living issues, it
always comes out at the top of every CPI survey

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we've ever done.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
We're talking with Kevin Ingham, polster for the bipartisan Colorado
Polling Institute again in the website Cepolling Institute dot org.
I've got time for a couple more quick things with you.
So not everything you asked about was political, although most
things you ask about will impact how people feel about
how things are going and how they might end up voting.

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People vote their pocketbooks, and one of the questions you
asked was whether Colorado's are planning on cutting spending on
non essential items.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Talk about those results a little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:05:11):
This may have been one of the most stunning results
in the entire survey. So I mentioned a moment ago
that we pulled questions from national polls so we can
compare Colorado to Americans that large and the question was
compared to one year ago, would you say you have
cut spending on non essential items, increased or has there
been no change? Sixty one percent of Colorado voters say

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in the last year they are compared to a year ago,
they have cut spending on non essential items. Now, that
number in and of itself is kind of shocking, but
when you compare that with Americans overall, it's about twenty
points higher than it is among all Americans. Among all Americans,
only forty two percent of that they have been cutting
spending on non essential items. So Coloraden's are telling us, yes,

(01:05:55):
I'm cutting back, and they're more likely of Americans overall
to say that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
What's your takeaway from that? Do you have an interpretation
of that data point?

Speaker 7 (01:06:03):
I think one of the things that we all know
as color rodden's is that it is very expensive to
live here. And you saw as we were just discussing
ross that the questions that people say that they want
the state government to address, the ones that tend to
rise to the surface tend to be those that focus
on pocketbooks. So we know that color Rodden's are very
very focused on the state of the housing market, on

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the state, like the cost of groceries things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Which are just very expensive here.

Speaker 7 (01:06:32):
So I think color Roddens are saying, look, it's already
expensive to live here. And when we ask them if
they think that the economy is going to get.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Worse over the next year, almost.

Speaker 7 (01:06:42):
Half of color Roddens say that they anticipate the economy
is going to get worse. So you probably have a
combination of voters who are already feeling the pinch as
well as sort of trying to anticipate what they think
is coming around the corner, which is a worse economy
in the future.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
And you know, it's a very interesting thing. I'll just
wrap up with this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
It's very interesting to see on the one hand, Colorado's
saying that they're feeling so much financial pressure that they're
cutting back significantly on non essential spending, and yet, as
we talked about a moment earlier, still only about half
of the state and very much a partisan basis.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
People, you know, the only.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Fifty percent saying the state's still going in the right
direction and most Democrats saying the state's going in the
right direction. I think there's a small amount of cognitive
dissonance in there as well. But of course, you know,
when Democrats are in charge, Democrats are going to say
it's going well, and Republicans will say it's going badly,
even if their own personal situations, you know, don't reflect that,

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and then vice versa when Republicans are in charge.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
It's just the world we live in these days.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Kevin Ingham, Democratic pollster for the bipartisan Colorado Polling Institute.
Super interesting information. Go to Copolling Institute dot org to
learn more. Thanks for your time as always, Thanks for
the great researchers.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Thanks for us.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
So there's a lot there. There's a lot in that
in that messaging that I think politicians are going to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Need to figure out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
But Colorado politicians in such a blue state probably don't
have quite as much risk as we might have in
more of a swing state. And the moral of the
story is absolutely clear, and I think this is one
of those stories like to share it with you. And
good morning, by the way, Happy Monday, Welcome to Rosskiominski
on the News with Gina Gondek and producer Shannon behind

(01:08:32):
the Glass. I saw this story in a British newspaper,
the UK Daily Mail, and it's actually a story about
a guy who lives in France. But nevertheless, I think
the lesson is universal. And here's the story. A man
who reported finding a secreted away stash of gold bars

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worth an estimated and I'm going to translate from British
British pounds here, but seven hundred thousand dollars that he
found buried in his garden will likely get nothing in
return for his honesty. The man, who lives in a
French town of Neuville sur Sone, a suburban Leon, may

(01:09:17):
instead be forced to hand over the huge stash of
gold bars to the heirs of the presumed owner, the
previous occupant of the house. The as yet unidentified man
dug up the hall, which was wrapped in plastic, and
reported it to his local authority, as was his legal obligation.
A local attorney praised him for his forthrightness, adding I'm
going to start digging myself but the council called in

(01:09:38):
the local cops who traced the origin of the bars,
and they are believed to have been legally acquired and
made about twenty years ago. A lawyer specializing in treasure
saying that the man who found this stuff and turned
it in is unlikely to be given any compensation for
finding and reporting the stash. He told The Times, he

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will probably be entitled to nothing. The heirs of the
original owner will probably come forward. If it's proved that
whoever hid the gold bars had no heirs, then the
treasure would revert to the government.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Oh gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Earlier this month, a couple of different couple found a
horde of Tudor gold coins while weeding in their back garden.
And they this I guess was in England and they found.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Them and they got to keep them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
And because they found them, and they sold them for
over over half a million dollars. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
These are some I used to collect coins.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
The earliest coins dated to the reign of King Henry
in the fourteen twenties, Henry the sixth in the fourteen twenties,
A large number from the fifteen thirties in YadA, YadA, YadA. Anyway,
back to the French story. Isn't it kind of obvious
that the lesson here is if you find seven hundred
and fifty thousand dollars worth of gold in your backyard,
don't tell anyone. It's not complicated, right, especially if you

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live in France or a place like that where you
know that, where you should know that the government's just
gonna take it if they can't find the owner. The
government's gonna take it, and you're you're gonna get nothing?
Does that make me a bad person?

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Would you? Would you report it?

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Gina? Would you report it? You don't have a backyard
because you live in the city in a condo or
apartment or something. But if you had a backyard and
you found hundreds of thousands of dollars of literal gold,
would you tell the authorities? You seem like a very
nice and law abiding, honest person who might It's a
tough one, though, isn't that tough? M I don't know,

(01:11:43):
because I kind of want to go with no. Honestly, yeah,
I feel like i'd go with no.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
I kind of want to go with no too.

Speaker 5 (01:11:48):
It's like finding money on the ground and you're like, okay,
well you can't find the right owner.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
If I say who dropped this twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
Bucks and I'll say I did, yeah, So it's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Like, well, all right, it's fine. No, I'd love to
know what listeners think five six six nine zero. If
you found hundreds of thousands of dollars of gold buried
in your backyard, would you tell anybody there? You know
what France should do.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
So here here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Now, if anybody else finds stuff in France, they're not
gonna tell, right, because they're gonna know. And so what
the government needs to do there is to pass the
law saying if you find stuff and turn it in,
you get a percentage. Right, you even get a percentage
if there is a rightful owner, even if it isn't
going to the government, you'll get a percentage as long
as it's been unclaimed for some number of years.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
If somebody moves away two months ago and they forgot something,
even something buried in their backyard, and then they you
know they and then you report it like two months later,
all right, that's not yours if you know, if they
can prove it's theirs, right, but ten years later, twenty
years later, right, Just to set up the proper incentives.
The government should say, all right, you're gonna get to

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keep some of this. Otherwise, nobody's going to turn in
anything anymore. And I wouldn't either if I were them,
and if if Gina wouldn't, Chart wouldn't report it. You know,
nobody's going to because Gina is the most honest person
in this realm. And so anyway, I think that's a
very very obvious lesson. Producer, Shannon, what about you, what

(01:13:14):
would you do?

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Well? I certainly wouldn't tell anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
There'd be signs like I would go ahead and buy
everybody's launch of Crownburger.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Producer a ton of stuff to talk about today.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
I do want to spend a little more time on
the Marjorie Taylor Green resignation, and I realized some of
it sounds like very inside baseball political stuff, but it
goes way beyond just an argument between Trump and one
of his former biggest supporters. I think there's some very
interesting stuff to say there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
One quick thing before I get to that, though.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
In the last segment of the show, Gina and I
were discussing whether we would turn in to the government
or tell tell the government if we found like one
hundreds of thousands of dollars of gold in our backyards.
And Gina said no, and I said no, and a
whole bunch of listeners texted in, and most people said no.

(01:14:11):
Nobody said an outright yes, but a couple people did
have a thought that was kind of along the lines
of what I had thought as well, and which is
there's kind of some kind of middle ground where like
you keep a little of it and you just report
the rest. The problem is the problem is that if
you end up finding the rightful owner and they know
how much is supposed to be there, and then some

(01:14:33):
is missing, then you get in trouble for that. But
I certainly get that idea, Like you know, you find
you take ten percent or twenty percent and then and
then turn in the rest. So that's that's one thing
another person said just by text here in in the
last couple of minutes. Here, let me find the text
ross anyone who could forget they buried seven hundred and

(01:14:55):
fifty thousand dollars in the yard has more money than
they know what to do with to keep it, but
be to do something good with at least a good
chunk of it. So okay, I get it, but I
don't think the right answer depends on whether the original
owner or the rifle owner or whatever is rich or not.
You're either gonna turn it in, You're either gonna tell

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them about it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Or you're gonna keep it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
So anyway, there's that, and then another person says, well,
ross would how would you turn that into money if
you found all these gold bars, And that's a tricky one.
You would have to take it to a place that
buys gold, but you would have to get it done
in a way where that person, whoever that is, doesn't
issue any kind of report to the government for a

(01:15:40):
financial transaction, because probably each one of those bars is
more than ten thousand dollars worth more than ten thousand dollars,
and generally there's supposed to be some kind of report
for these larger transactions there. It's essentially anti money laundering stuff.
So you would have to find a slightly unscrupulous gold
buyer who who is willing to buy the gold from

(01:16:01):
you and not report it. And then of course that
person will say, all right, I'll buy the gold from you,
but at ten percent less then it's worth or twenty
percent less then it's worth and then at that point
you're gonna have decide what to do it. But I
did think it was not entirely surprising that pretty much
everybody said they wouldn't just turn it in, and neither

(01:16:24):
what I Gina and I will remind you of.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
This in the coming week and a half or so.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
But you can join me and Gina and maybe producer
Shannon that is still to be determined at Crown Burger
on Colorado.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Boulevard, about half a mile south.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Of By twenty five for lunch on Wednesday, December tenth,
at twelve oh one pm. Because I set appointments at
prime numbers. If it's easier for you to say noon,
you're welcome to You're welcome to do that. But I'll
say twelve oh one pm. Gina and I are not
buying your lunch, nor are we asking you to buy
our lunches. We will buy our own lunches. Crown Burger, Wednesday,

(01:16:59):
December tenth. Put it in your calendar and come join us.
All right, let me do a little bit more on
this Marjorie Taylor Green resignation. A lot of what she
said in her statement, which you could read or watch
if you go to my blog at Roskominski dot com
has to do with how she feels somewhat aggrieved, And
I don't blame her how she feels somewhat aggrieved for

(01:17:21):
having done all of this stuff for Trump, for the
Republican Party, trying to get tenants elected and so on,
only in order to have Donald Trump turn on her
in a very very aggressive way.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
Standing up for American women who were raped at fourteen
years old, trafficked and used by rich, powerful men should
not result in me being called a trader and threatened
by the President of the United States, whom I fought for.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
So she's right about that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
And this does point to a very weird thing, Right,
why did Trump turn against.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Releasing the Epstein files?

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
And I'm not going to go through all that again,
We've enough in the sense like we just don't know
why he turned against it. But I do think that
she's right that it was pretty over the top for Trump.
Rather than saying, oh, I disagree with her and I
don't think we should release the files for this or
that reason, to instead call her to traitor, I think

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that was a little too far. And why I think
this is interesting in the bigger picture is that the
Magabase and lots of Americans, not just the Magabase, wants
to know more about the so called Epstein files. They
don't need to know every little piece of paper. But
what people want to know is kind of the same
thing that Marjorie Taylor Green says she wants to know

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that is were there rich, powerful men beyond just Epstein
who are actually.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Involved in trafficking girls.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Right now, all we know for sure is that Epstein
and his henchwoman Galaine Maxwell, recruited these girls to perform
sexual favors.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
For Epstein himself.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
There are rumors that these girls were used and abused
in that way on Epstein's island. There is a proof
of it, but there are claims from some of these
women that now women, then girls, that this happened to them,
and I mostly believe them. You know, there's probably a
few people making claims to try to make some money,

(01:19:17):
but I think there's got to be some fire where
there is this smoke, and I think a lot of
people want to know that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
And so why I think this.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Is interesting is it's not just a split between Donald
Trump and MTG. In this context, MTG actually represents a
lot of the Trump base who really want to know
this stuff, and a lot of Republicans campaigned on it,
and for Trump to turn against it is a little weird.
And so now it's just a question of how is
this an important divide between Trump and his base or

(01:19:49):
is this something that will heal up a little bit
with time. Marjorie Taylor Green had another couple of good lines.
I want to share with you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
I believe in term limits and do not think Congress
should be a lifelong career or an assisted living facility.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
I love that line. That's one of the best lines
in a long time. I don't have anything to add
to it now. Then, toward the end of her statement,
MTG went on to a little bit of political analysis
in which I think is absolutely right. And I say
this again if you didn't hear me earlier. I want
to make something very clear. When I see Marjorie Taylor
Green has a bunch of things right here, it doesn't

(01:20:22):
mean I'm a huge fan, not going to spend a
bunch of time bashing her. I'll just say I don't.
I don't think much of her. I don't think she's
very smart, I don't I think she's anti semitic, even
if she doesn't know it, and it won't be glad.
I won't I won't be upset to see her gone.
But that doesn't mean everything she says is wrong. And
I think this is right and at least somewhat insightful.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
I have too much self respect and dignity. I love
my family way too much, and I do not want
my sweet district to have to endure a hurtful and
hateful primary against me by the president that we all
fought for only to fight and win my election while
we're Republicans will likely lose the midterms and in turn

(01:21:03):
be expected to defend the president against impeachment after he
hatefully dumped tens of millions of dollars against me and tried.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
To destroy me. It's all so absurd.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
And completely unserious. I refuse to be a battered wife
hoping it all goes away and gets better.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
Wow. So in that sense, look, and that's she's She's
calling Donald Trump the political equivalent of a wife beater.
That's pretty rough for one of his former biggest supporters.
But I think separate from her specific complaint about Trump,
there the political analysis in the middle of that audio
that I just played for you, I think is right

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on target. I do think she would win her primary
because I think at this point her district prefers her
to Trump, which isn't something I say very often, but
I think she's earned a lot of good will among
Republicans in her district by ending up against Trump a
little bit, which says a lot about the question of

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whether Trump may be losing his grip a little bit
on the base, but the bigger point that she made
that I think is right and separate from the fact
that I think she would probably win her primary and
would win the general election in for her district, Republicans
at this point are like triating at twenty eight percent
to keep the House of Representatives, and I think that's

(01:22:25):
about right. They've gotten crushed lately in the betting odds
as far as keeping House, and it was already kind
of against him because their majority is small, and usually
the House the party of the president loses seats in
a midterm. They would be expected to lose anyway, and
what that means is Trump is going.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
To be impeached.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
I think the odds of Donald Trump being impeached again
in the second half of this term are probably eighty percent,
and so she's right that Republicans are going to be
sitting around having to defend.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
Trump against another impeachment.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
And she's saying, why would I spend my time doing
that after a president who I worked so hard for
decided to call me a trader and spend millions of
dollars against me? And you know what, She's not wrong.
I want to tackle a story briefly that that Gina
sent me because my first reaction was to gag a
little bit. But maybe I'm just not quite the early,

(01:23:18):
the early adapter that that they need for this market.
And this is from our news partners at KATIEVR Fox
thirty one, and here's the headline. Beer made from recycled
shower and laundry.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
Water available in select states.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
I think one of those states is not Colorado yet,
but I think the question is obvious, Gina, would.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
You drink it?

Speaker 5 (01:23:40):
I had the first reaction when I read it, too,
because when you read it, you're like, ugh, you know, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
Then they talk about how it's it's made.

Speaker 5 (01:23:48):
By a company that created the system that can treat
and reuse water, and then they partnered with this with
this brewery.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
It's not available in Colorado. I love how the names
are the.

Speaker 5 (01:23:59):
Shower Out IPA and the Laundry Club kulsh So I
don't know. To be honest, I'm not I'm not a
fan of either of those beers, So I don't even
think i'd openly try it just because of the beer.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
It's it's unique, it's different. It definitely is something. And
I bet I bet if you tested the water that
it's made with, I bet it's cleaner than tap water.
Right Probably like this stuff is that it comes from
a company called Epic that has made some kind of
technology that is designed to reuse water so that it

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doesn't get so that it doesn't get wasted, and so they,
you know, turn it into beer.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
I probably would just to say I yeah, just to
say why not did?

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
But you know, this is a big picture thing though,
right there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
Lots of people have lots of ideas that seem odd
at first, and maybe only a few people buy in,
or there's a lot of skepticism, and then eventually it
turns into a real thing. Probably the biggest one, like
I think I and lots of people were a little
bit skeptical that Steve Jobs was gonna be able to
get people to buy five or six hundred dollars cell
phones that are now eight hundred or one thousand dollars.

(01:25:10):
But like when the first iPhone came out and and
you were, you know, buying your Motorola flip phone for
ninety bucks or whatever, and they're gonna come sell you
a phone for five fifty whatever the first one costs.
You're like, what, No, And then eventually you realize, wait,
it's not just a phone. It's a computer, an alarm clock,
and a map and all this, you know, all in
my internet, all this other stuff. Now it's not like

(01:25:31):
it's not like you're gonna get lots of you know,
other other uses out of shower our ipa Michael Brown?
Would you would you drink a beer that was made
out of recycled water that came from people's showers? Is
that is that?

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
I don't even know if you're a beer guy, but
I can imagine you had. I'm not a beer guy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
No, huh, See that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Yeah, ask me about tequila or wine or uh huh?

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Would you drink tequila?

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
That was?

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Well? I guess is there able?

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
It doesn't worries me as you're talking about beer that
is made from.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
What recycled shower and maybe toilet water.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
And you're the guy that I understand doesn't wash his
legs well shower. So you talking about this, you know
you want me to answer a question, but asking beer
from I was wondering if you were going to bring that. Absolutely,
I didn't come in here to do this. I just
came in to quietly set my stuff, I know.

Speaker 6 (01:26:29):
But.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
I love dragging you into conversations and I hope you
will be psychologically prepared for more than in the future,
even though I think the answer is probably no.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
It's a lot of fun, all right. Michael Brown is
up next.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
Thanks so much for joining us this Monday on Ross
on the News with Gina. Thank you, Gina, you're welcome,
Thank you, Producer Shannon, and yeah, Michael Brown, tequila guy,
up next.