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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm ross. Hi, Gina.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (00:02):
It's really confusing when you say it like that, but
I get what you're saying. Tuesday that feels like Thursday. Yes,
because tomorrow is a Wednesday, it feels like Friday.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Yes, all right, that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (00:12):
Sure, yeah, yeah, And I would just like to tell
you that I'm having a fabulous start to my day.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Oh yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
Had a bacon, egg and cheese mcgriddle. Nice, and then
I got a wordle in three.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Wow. Yeah, so it's a very good start to my day.
Does McDonald's open, Oh my god, I don't know. Did
they close? Yeah, I'm sure they do. I don't know. Yeah,
that's a good point. I actually are they open twenty four? Oh? Okay,
there we go, It says the open five.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yes, So that that was really good.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
I'd get you something on my way in if you's
some vegetarian things someday, are you?

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I mean I would get like a mcgriddle, just without
the meat eat eggs, so it's usually just egg cheese mcgriddle.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
All right.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
I was listening to your newscast as I usually do,
and one of the well, you had a bunch of
interesting stories, but one of them that jumped out at
me from just two minutes ago was the thing about
the speed cameras in glen Wood Springs.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
And I had mentioned on the show like.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
A few weeks ago that these things were coming. But
the thing that you said that really jumped out at
me is that the car owner is going to be
responsible for the ticket even if they weren't driving.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah. I wonder if they can get away with that
good point. You know, well, like normally.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
When I've seen these tickets come through.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
To show you, they show you and it is it.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
Has been a legit excuse you can see. That's not me, right,
I wonder how I wonder if it sort of doesn't
seem the one hand, it.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Doesn't seem fair.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, on the other hand, it's it's definitely a way
to you know, pressure people to.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Do you just text that person and say, hey, you
owe me forty bucks exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
I don't know. I've never gotten one of those before.
So you you've had one where it literally shows your photo?

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Oh yeah, my wife gets them all the time. And
my wife gets them cock but in her car, in
her car. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah, I mean we we live in a town where
these cameras are so aggressive that you know, when you
pull up to the intersection and there's a white line
and you're supposed to stop before the.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
White line, You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Yeah, So in some of these towns, and certainly in
the town where I live, if.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
You come to a stop but the front of your.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Bumper is six inches into that white line, not even.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Over it, yeah, it'll take your picture.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
And then they don't always send the tickets to you,
but some sometimes they do.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
I generally have. It's the worst. It's the worst thing
in the world. Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
One of those cameras flashes all the time in my
apartment window. Oh no, Like, it took me so long
to get used to it. I'm like, who's taking pictures?

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Like, oh my gosh, every and then you realize when
you see it.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Every single day, you realize how many people are driving
through it, and or it's just taking pictures because you
stop right at.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
That line and it's flashing. Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
I'll be really interested to see if if glen Wood
Springs can get away with keeping that provision that that
the car owner has to pay the secret.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Oh, I have a plastic spoon in my pocket.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
That's because I'm going to eat a yogurt later, and
it's in the fridge, and I didn't want to have
to walk all the way back to my desk to
get a spoon, so I decided to carry the spoon
with me. But you still have to walk, but I
have to walk to the fridge. But that's only half
as far. Okay, all right, it's a very silly start
to the show today, but that's fine, and it's a
holiday week. I want to talk for a couple of

(03:33):
minutes here about another thing Gina brought up in the news,
the judge tossing the indictments of Jim, Callmy and James
by Lindsay Halligan. So we've talked about this a bit
on the show, right, So Lindsay Halligan, let me back up.
Donald Trump has decided that he wants people who essentially

(03:55):
put him through law fair to go through that kind
of thing themselves. Leticia James brought these ridiculous charges in
New York, and in fact, Trump was convicted of them,
and this stuff never would is never charged of other people.
People don't get convicted of this. And Leticia James is

(04:17):
a person who campaigned specifically that if she got the
job she would go after Donald Trump, which to me
means that she should be in jail rather than prosecuting people. Right,
It's an obvious corruption of the of the system when
you say you're gonna use the justice system to go
after your political opponents, and that's what she's done. So

(04:38):
she's clearly unfit to hold a job. And then James
call Me did something a little different. James call Me
allowed this Russia thing against Donald Trump to go on
for years, even though he and plenty of other people
knew it was all lies, and they allowed it anyway
because of their hatred for Donald Trump. Now I don't

(05:02):
know that either one of them is committed a crime.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Leticia James reported crime.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Is claiming a second home as a primary home to
get a better rate on a mortgage.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
I have no idea if she did it or not.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
I do know the initial chargers are coming from this guy,
Bill Poulty, who is this kind of Trump boot liquor
that Trump installed at the Federal Housing Finance Authority. And
I don't trust anything coming from the guy. That doesn't
mean he's wrong, but it just says I don't trust him.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
And so you know, maybe she broke the law. I
don't know. I don't know how strong the evidence is.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
The case against Comy, I think is much weaker, and
I think that even if it gets to trial, I think.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Comie will win, probably pretty easily.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
But here's the thing to understand through all this, and
then I'll come back to the legalities in a second.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Here's the thing to understand about all this.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Trump sees the process as the punishment, the same way
that Trump felt and correctly that being put through all
that Russia nonsense. The process was the punishment. The process
was the pain. He was not found, you know, guilty

(06:13):
of having committed any crime or collaborated with Russia, and
it never made any sense to think that he did,
for reasons that I talked about at the time.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
All those years ago. It was always ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
And I don't say that as a reflexive defender of
Donald Trump. It's just that was all ridiculous and obviously so.
But they went ahead with it for years, and they
really put a you know, a wet blanket on the
first two years of his term because whatever he did,
the media that hated him so much would always come
back to some story that Adam Schiff or John Brennan

(06:47):
or one of these dill Weeds was coming out with
with some implication, Oh, I'm in the intelligence world and
I know stuff about Donald Trump that you don't know,
and you should be very worried about him being a
Russian asset.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
And it was all nonsense.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
So Trump wants to get back at these people, and
I understand it, but I.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Also don't like it. I also don't like it because.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
It feels very Banana Republic for the president of a
country to have his Attorney general install as a US
attorney somebody who's never been near a criminal case as
far as I know, somebody who is an insurance and
real estate lawyer who Donald Trump has probably only had

(07:27):
around him back in Florida because she's good looking, like
Elena Haba, his other good looking lawyer that he also
installed as a US attorney somewhere.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Lindsey Halligan.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
I'm sure she's a perfectly fine real estate or insurance attorney.
Has no business being anywhere near a US attorney's office.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
They installed her three days or.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
So before the Statute of Limitations lapsed on Jim Comey's
purported crimes of a false statement to Congress.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
By the way, they will never prove.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
That, and she and the administration of the cojones to
say that she wasn't actually installed just to go get
Comey and she made the decision by herself. Of course
that's not true. So now the judge ruled correctly. In
my opinion, I think it's obviously correct, although I'm sure
DOJ will appeal that she was improperly appointed for reasons

(08:20):
that I won't get into right now, but it seems
to me pretty clear that she was improperly appointed, and
therefore the indictments that were brought against Comy and James
are invalid. And part of the problem for Halligan in
this situation is that she was the only attorney from
that office in with the grand jury. They didn't have
another attorney in there with them. And the reason there

(08:42):
wasn't another attorney from that office is that the other
actual good attorneys in there who actually studied the case
don't believe.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
They can get convictions.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
And you're not supposed to try to get an indictment
if you don't believe you can get a conviction beyond
a reasonable doubt. So they didn't want any part of
it because they know that it's political nonsense.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Now what is the question? Now?

Speaker 3 (09:03):
What?

Speaker 4 (09:04):
It's likely that the DOJ will look for some way
to continue these charges. It's pretty easy against Letitia James.
It's a challenge with Jim Coby because the statute of
limitations has lapsed at this point. But there is a
provision in federal law that says that in most situations, if.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
A felony indictment is.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Thrown out, the government has six months to bring it
again without the Statute of limitations impacting, as long as
the first one was brought within the statute of limitations.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
So they may try that.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
And again, I just want to reiterate, I think it's
extremely likely.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
In the Jim Comey case.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
I don't know enough about the evidence in James case
to have a prediction. I think it's extremely likely that
the government loses the Jim Comey case pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
But don't forget for.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Donald Trump in his mindset, because of what was done
to him, the.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Process is the punishment.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Ross, why not set your spoon atop your yogurt in
the fridge?

Speaker 1 (10:06):
And the answer is that fridge is a little gross.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Even for me, Even for me, A bunch of spilled
things in there, it's a little a little nasty, and
the yogurt is sealed.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
You should specify it's a plastic spoon, because if it
was metal, that's kind of nice because then you're dipping
a cold metal spoon into your younger.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
It adds a little treat to it. Really, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
It's like a frozen pop tart. You like cold things,
I do. I guess, Oh I'm supposed to. Oh yeah, Wait,
my guest is my guest is in the next segment.
I think I think, I think, I think I put
my guest here on the show sheet, but I don't
think it's he's actually here. I think I put him
in the wrong place. He's he's in the next segment.
So we will do that, all right. So let me

(10:46):
do another little newsy thing here. Uh. And this kind
of made a lot of news yesterday with the what
do you call these people? The Department of War now
the Department of War the Pentagon announcing that they are
thinking they want to go after Senator Mark Kelly for
being involved with that really ridiculous video that I very much,

(11:12):
I very much object to that video. But these these
folks put out a video a bunch of Democrats put
out a video in which they tell members of the
US military, Hey, you don't need to obey illegal orders.
And of course every member of the military already knows
they don't need to obey illegal orders. It's just, you know,

(11:34):
that's part of being in the military is you're you're
taught these things from from the beginning. And it's as
I thought, it was pretty frustrating to see that video
and to have these folks talk about it in the
way they've been talking about it, that's really uh, it's

(11:55):
bothered me. It's bothered me. And yesterday I was checking
out some interviews of a couple of the people. Well,
we had the Jason Crow stuff, and I may come
back to that with you, But Alyssa Slotkin is the
one who really released it, and she's a senator from Michigan,
and she had some things to say about this video.
For those who don't know what the video is, let
me just recap quickly. It's these short snippets of one

(12:15):
Democrat after another who served in the military or served
in the intelligence services telling members of the current members
of the US military you don't have to obey and
you must not obey illegal orders. Now that would imply
that these people think that President Trump has issued illegal orders.
And if they do think that, they sure haven't been

(12:38):
willing to say it.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
So here's Alyssa. Slotkin from I think this is from Sunday.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
There is such things as illegal orders. That's why it's
in the Uniform Code of Military Justice, going back to Nuremberg, right,
And it's just a it's a totally benign statement.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
It's a totally benign statement.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Well, when's when's the last time a bunch of politicians
took their time to get together to record a bunch
of stuff and then have somebody edit it and then
put it out on the web in order to put
out a totally benign statement. Why would you have wasted
your time to put out a totally benign statement? Does
anybody actually believe that their intent was a totally benign statement?

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Now, one of the things they've come.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Back to is they keep getting pressed, These people keep
it getting pressed in interviews. Well, if you put that
thing out telling members of the military to not listen
to illegal orders, don't you have something in mind as
far as an illegal order?

Speaker 1 (13:42):
And they just can't answer. Here's Slotckin again, it's important
to know. It's not hypothetical.

Speaker 5 (13:47):
Right, This president in the last administration, his last administration,
asked his Secretary of Defense and his Chairman of the
Joint Chiefs to quote, shoot at their legs at unarmed
protesters in front of the White House that he wanted moved.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Actually, I know you're talking about Mark Esper's book. He
didn't exactly say that. He said the President suggested that,
but they were never ordered to do that, and.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
He got out of the Oval office quickly so that
he wasn't told.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
To actually do it. And I give him a lot
of credit for that.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
So look, first of all, Lissa slock In lied. I mean,
there's a grain of truth, but the way she framed
it was a lie when she said that Trump asked
that protesters be shot in the legs. And then Martha Radditz,
who's not great, even her correction was kind of wrong.
Or she said that Trump suggested that the protesters be

(14:37):
shot in the legs. Actually, what was reported at the
time by multiple people who were in the room is
that Trump asked, Hey, could you just shoot them in
the legs? Now, let me just be clear. It's a
very stupid question by Donald Trump. It's a terrible question
by Donald Trump. It's an outrageous question by Donald Trump.
But it is not the same as saying he gave

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an order to shoot someone in the legs.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
It's very different.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
He asked, and maybe if someone had said, yeah, we could,
maybe he would have given the order. But that's a
parallel universe that we will never know about. And so
for these people, and that's what they're reaching for, that's
what they're reaching for all these years later, to say
they're going to tell members of the military, now you
don't have to obey illegal orders. And when asked why
they're putting it out, she's going to go back to that,

(15:26):
are you kidding?

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Do you believe President Trump has issued any illegal orders?

Speaker 5 (15:33):
To my knowledge, I am not aware of things that
are illegal, but certainly there are some legal gymnastics that
are going on with these Caribbean strikes and everything related
to Venezuela.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
This is just such a joke.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
So now the Pentagon has said that they may recall
Mark Kelly, who served who retired as a Navy captain.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
They may recall him to active duty and.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Then charge him court martiall him under the Uniform Code
of Military justice for essentially lack of good order and
encouraging and encouraging there's a there's a very specific word
that's that's a borel encouraging bad discipline and harming morale

(16:19):
in the military. And they're talking about maybe bringing him
back on active duties so they can court martial him.
I think that's also dumb. It's like going after Jim
call me, it's not going to work.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
You're gonna lose.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
But here's the extra thing that I think makes this
particular thing especially dumb. First of all, all they did
say was you don't have to obey illegal orders.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
That's true, so that's a pretty good defense.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Second, he's a senator, very very hard to come at
a senator for anything they say. And here's maybe the
most important thing that people aren't talking about. Mark Kelly
probably wants to run for president, and there's nothing you
can do to help Mark Kelly Moore in a Democratic
primary than to have the Trump administration go after him.
Happy Tuesday, that feels like Thursday. This is Ross on

(17:07):
the news with Gina. You have surely heard conversation about
the potential risk to the price of electricity, the upside
risk to the price of electricity based on data centers
being built even vaguely near you. If they soak up
a lot of electrical power, then prices are going to

(17:27):
go up. You probably haven't heard as much talk about
water and might that same dynamic be an issue for
our water bills. Joining us to talk about it is
my friend Rich who goes by Orras Gatis, who is
a clean water evangelist.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
He calls himself and he's.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
The co founder and CEO of flow Water, which makes
these really cool advanced water purification machines. As I was
actually visiting a college I don't remember which one, a
college out in California, and I saw one of your
machines in there in their cafeteria there, so the kids

(18:05):
are drinking flow water purified love.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
I thought of you. I thought you had a flow
water setting. I did. That's very cool. I love it.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
So there's a big data center that's being built in
a neighborhood here in Denver, and I think people understand
the potential risk to the power bills, but I wanted
to have you on to just talk about the water
aspect of this because I think water usage by data
centers is a lot less well understood.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, well thanks for having me on Ross And I
think it's an interesting subject. On the positive side, I'm
a free market guy.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
I'm a pro capitalist on pro innovation, pro progress.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
So you know, you look at the positives of this
one hundred and eighty thousand square foot facility, ten million
in tax revenue over the next twenty years per year,
one hundred and seventy five construction jobs estimated, seventy five
full time jobs, after all positive items towards progress and
job growth and economic engine and of course we know
that Denver could use the tax revenue. There are some

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concerns that on all these AI data centers across the
entire United States around energy consumption and water consumption. I mean,
these are just resource hogs. And just to kind of
contextualize this, this data center that's going up and going
to be.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Starting to be available end of next year, and.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Aliria Swansea is using seventy five megawatt hours of consumption
just to contextualize us, that's roughly seventy five thousand homes
running simultaneously. But going back to the water piece that
you raised, these things use anywhere from a couple hundred
thousand gallons an hour of water to eight hundred thousand.
In fact, this data center. Originally the proposed plans were

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two hundred seventy five thousand gallons of water an hour.
The latest estimates are up to eight one hundred thousand
gallons of water an hour. And all of this is
really you know, it's pulling from the Colorado River basin.
That's our primary water source, which is in a long
term drought already stressed. So that's that's one of the
big concerns that we're undergoing here.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
And happy to talk more about it.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
But that kind of sets the stage for what we're
wrestling with, which is progress but not creating economic or
resource disparities in the face of that progress that average,
everyday Americans have to suffer.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
All right.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
So you know, because we've known each other for a while,
you know that I'm president of the Bad Analogy Club.
So let me just run this by you. You know,
if if I get a really good video card for
my computer at home, or a really fancy cooler for
my CPU at home, they're liquid cooled, but they're not

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connected to anything. It's a closed system. So why can't
these data centers recirculate water. I realized they might have
to cool it, and maybe that's the issue. Maybe the
cost of cooling the water or something like that is
it may be something they don't want to deal with.
But could there be some kind of closed system where

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they loaded up with a quarter million gallons of water
or whatever and it's probably not that much one time.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
That's a great analogy. That's a by the way, that's
a fantastic analogy. I think I think you're underappreciating how
good your analogy because that.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
That is a that is a great one. So there
are alternative I mean, this is one of.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
The things that I think us as community members in
Denver and as citizens, we need to be advocating for
because one, if we're opening up data centers, whether in
Denver or across the United States, we really need we
require we should require transparency around water and electrical consumption
and how that's going to be regulated.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
And preserved and who's going to bear the brunt of it.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Because to your point, there are other solutions that can
be used. Closed loop cooling system what you just described
as a closed loot cooling system where you're basically using
that same cooling system to regenerate the cooling effects so
they are not constantly.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Using new water.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
The data around this data center specifically is that about
eighty percent of the water will get lost due to evaporation.
I mean, that is a prolific loss of water, which
is a very precious resource. I think everyone can agree
in the Colorado community that.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
That is a really precious commodity.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
There's also air cool technology, EI, there's gray water or
waste water kind of reclaimed water recirculating systems, and then
you know, also this doesn't help Colorado, but I mean
some people advocate for putting data centers in cooler environments
where you don't have to cool it as much. So
those you know, there's some reasons that are downside to those.
That could be electrical load, it could be that they're

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more complicated, it could be a little bit more upfront costs.
But this is why I think the transparency around how
this is going, the cost of this is going to
be born, and who's the cost going to be born by,
because if we.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Just push us off.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
I mean as much as I am a free marketing guy,
I also am an evangelist for we have to support
the working class. There is no America without a working
class in a middle class. And if we keep pushing
the burden, economic burden, the water burden, the disparity to
the working class and the middle class, we don't have

(23:32):
a healthy economy. And so you know, even looking at
this just from a free market perspective as well as
just a fairness perspective, these alternative systems like you're mentioning here,
this closed loop system, they really they really need to
be considered as we're building AI data centers, and transparency
around data is what enables us to do that when
people in the permitting an approval stage.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Yeah, and I'm not looking for an answer for you
on this right now because we're out of time anyway,
but you'd have to think that water would have been
one of the biggest issues in the design and permitting
and all that.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
And you know, I think that they would have thought
of this.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
I would love to know from the people who designed
it and the people who approved it, you know, what
was the conversation like about water and how did they
end up with a plan that seems to use as
much water as possible?

Speaker 1 (24:17):
And maybe we'll try to do a little digging on that.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
Rich ras Ras Gatis is the co founder of flow Water.
You can check out their products at drinkflowwater dot com.
Always good to see you, Ras, Thanks for making time
for us while you are on.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Vacation ross Straight seeing you love the show. Thanks for
having me on. Glad to do it, Glad to do it?
All right.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
We got a ton of stuff still to do on
today's show. A lot of things going on in the world.
Gina will tell you what some of them are. Right
after this said eight hundred thousand gallons per hour or
eight hundred thousand gallons per day. Either one is a
very big number, but they're very different numbers. And I
was just looking at it up. It's eight hundred thousand

(24:56):
gallons per per day. And a listener said, it's a
closed loop system. It's not really. They have these cooling towers,
and I guess the way it works. We're talking about
the data center that's being built in Denver. If you
missed the previous conversation. The way it works, apparently, is
that water goes into these cooling towers and it evaporates
from there, which causes the cooling. Evaporation is a cooling process.

(25:19):
That's why you sweat and you fear cool feel cooler, right,
and and so that's how it uses a lot of
that water. All right, I want to move on. Gina
had the burning question of the day and she already
put it in her pole question on on x dot
com slash koa Colorado and the way Gina worded, how
did you word the question, Gina?

Speaker 1 (25:39):
So it's our social media poll question for this morning.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
You can engage with us on Facebook, on X all
our platforms. And I said, settle the hot debate apple
or pumpkin pie.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
Did you put the word hot in there as kind
of a thing about the pie itself?

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah? Do you like that? Yeah? And I don't know
if this was a coincidence, like did you.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
See this on the or did you already you maybe
you sent me this to begin with.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Perhaps I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Don't think I sent you this one. But I had
a little bit of bolts. I like to do sometimes
a little lighter pole question on a holiday weekend, just
to get the conversation flowing. But also I did see
the article that you had talking about the hot debate
between Apple and pumpkins.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
So here it's a New York post piece and the
title is pumpkin or apple. America's fiercest Thanksgiving dessert debate
heats up, and of course you can and should every
day participate in Gena's pole question, which is not always
as important as this one, but can be.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
But I want to.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Ask you just to just a reply by text at
five six sixty nine zero for Thanksgiving in particular apple pie,
pumpkin pie, something else or no pie. And believe it
or not, there's data on this, and Gina, I would
like to tell you that your.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Poll results are pretty darn close to.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
The data in in this article. Your poll results so far, well,
I'm only looking at X I haven't looked at Facebook yet,
but it's like thirty eight percent apple pie, fifty three
percent pumpkin pie, and nine percent neither, right. And I'm
looking at this at this New York Post piece.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Let me let me find this here, blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
So yeah, you gov poll. Now they had twenty nine percent.
They had lots of other choices, but they had twenty
nine percent pumpkin pie, twenty percent apple pie. So cut oh,
and then they had pecan, and then they had sweet potato,
and then they had chocolate chocolate pie.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Is there chocolate pie?

Speaker 3 (27:34):
I think it's probably like one of those chocolate silk pies,
like more of the fluffy kind of really like a Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
I wish key lime pie were the thing that's the
best pie. I do love key lime pie.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Chocolate pie is not really like a Thanksgiving go to.
I've also never had sweet potato pie. Yeah, and I
also think pecan pie is underrated.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Very good pie. Wow, there's a hot take from China.
Right all right, just at five.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Sixty six nine zero and tell us so first genus
question is apple or pumpkin But then we can also
broaden out the question and maybe I'll just ask you
what's the best pie to have on Thanksgiving? And we
will share your answers on the show. Right after these words,
which include news, traffic, and weather. I'm ross. That's Gina Higena, Hi, Hi, Shannon.

(28:25):
How are you good to see us? Shannon likes to wave.
He doesn't talk very much. When he does, he gets
introduced by someone, which is very important. We got a
lot of texts coming in, please please keep them coming in.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
At five six six nine zero.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
If you had to choose between apple pie and pumpkin
pie for Thanksgiving, which would you choose?

Speaker 1 (28:41):
And if you could choose any pie, what would you choose?

Speaker 4 (28:44):
And we will come back and share more of your
answers a little.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Bit later in the show. But Gina, I did just
want to mention one thing.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
There is already a debate among listeners whether strawberry rhubarb
pie is really good or should go right in the trash.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Do you have an opinion.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
I don't know if I've really had strawberry ubarb pie,
but I'm.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Not a huge rhubarb fan.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
I had it once and it was much better than
I thought it was going to be because I'm not
a rubarb fan either, but was surprisingly good.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
That's how I was with pecan pie is when I
first thought about it, I was like, Eh, I don't
know that gooey part of it, and then just nuts
on top. I wasn't crazy about it, and then I
tried it, So maybe I need to get strawberry rubarb
but a chance to yeah, well you can.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
You can text into five six six.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
Nine zero and and tell Gina your thoughts about strawberry
rhubarb pie to begin with, and we'll work on that.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Now.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
I want to do a few minutes on a topic
that Gina brought up on the show yesterday and I
think is a really interesting one and I want your
opinion on it as well, and that is, should Coloraden's
be able to buy lottery tickets on an app or
online with a credit card? And what's so interesting about

(29:50):
the story, and Gina explained this well in her newscasts yesterday,
is that the Colorado Lottery. Oh, let me just say
I made a mistake yesterday. I thought these were proposed
rules that needed to then get approved.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
I was wrong on the timing.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
They were proposed rules at some point, but they were approved.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
They were approved.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
Last Wednesday at a meeting over the objections of at
least two dozen lawmakers, half Democrats and half Republicans. But
they don't need to be approved by the legislature. They
can be overturned by the legislature. We'll get to that
in a second. But the Colorado Lottery Commission approved these rules,

(30:31):
and it's basically two rule changes. One you can buy
tickets using credit cards and the other is you can
buy tickets online. And of course, if you're buying tickets online,
you will be using a card. You're not paying cash online,
you know, Jamming a five.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Dollars bill into that little slot on your phone. That
is not how this works.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
And it's really interesting to see the political dynamics here.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Jeff Bridges, who is.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
One of the top Democrats in the state Senate. He
is a Democrat from Greenwood Village, he said, they ignored us.
This is a quote he said, we don't think this
is within the bounds of the laws that we already passed,
and we don't think that it's a good idea. They
wrote a letter of these twenty four legislatures, half Democrats

(31:17):
have Republicans saying that they think this is a big risk,
and they said that a player using a credit card
could play as much as his or her credit card
would allow. And on the other hand, you've got the
governor of Colorado who is in favor of this, and
a spokesperson for Governor Polis said that the governor's supportive

(31:38):
of increasing consumer convenience and that the rule change will
quote modernize Colorado's lottery system and ensure customers don't need
to fumble through several cards to buy what they want.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
One very small point I want to make whenever.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
You make a whenever you buy something with a card,
the person you're buying from doesn't get all the money.
The bank and credit card issuer get usually between one
and a half and three percent, depending on the card
and all that stuff. So one of the things I
also wonder is, if you go to buy a two
dollars lottery ticket, are you going to have to pay

(32:15):
two dollars and five cents for it? Or is the
lottery system only going to get a dollar and ninety
five cents for it. Either way, does that kind of
upset the transaction a little bit?

Speaker 1 (32:27):
But I think it's just very interesting this fight.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Between the politicians, the legislators, and the governor about it.
And here's one other little bit of inside baseball.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Since this thing.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Was passed in November rather than in October, because there's
an October thirty first deadline, the state legislature cannot review
the rule change until February of twenty seven instead of
what would have been February of twenty six. Now it's

(33:02):
possible they could still try to bring up a bill
in the state legislature and just simply pass a law
saying you can't buy lottery tickets with a credit card,
or you can't buy lottery tickets online.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
I think they could do that. I don't know. I
don't know if they will.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
I would love to know your take on this text
US at five six, six nine zero. Do you think
it's good, bad, or indifferent that Coloraden's be able to
buy lottery tickets with a credit card and on an
app GENA. I'll put you on the spot. What's your
just your gut instinct on this? Do you like it

(33:37):
or not? If you were in the legislature and you
had to vote on it and you only knew what
you know right now and they're telling you to vote
in fifteen seconds, because that's the position I'm putting you in,
what's your gut instinct?

Speaker 1 (33:47):
I'm gonna go with no. No on the online part,
No on the credit card part, No on both both, because.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Gosh, we're such an such an addictive world nowadays that like,
I love purchasing lottery tickets, but I know I will
not be purchasing a lottery ticket if I don't have
cash in hand.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
It's just how it is.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Yeah, And generally when I do, I just do it
for fun and I enjoy doing it.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
But it's fine. Was two bucks or four best exactly?

Speaker 3 (34:14):
But if I was going to the gas station every
single time, using my card already to purchase gas.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, and I'm like, well, why.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Not buy a lot I can see the ticket purchase
getting higher and higher because girl maths, you feel like
your credit card is not real money. So you're like, okay, fine, sure,
I'll buy a twenty dollars lottery ticket this time.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Personal opinion, I would say I would say no.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
And I think that reasoning is exactly what the state
legislators have in mind, and it's probably also exactly what
the Colorado Lottery Commission has in mind. Some of these
legislators want to protect people from spending more than they
can afford, and the lottery wants as much money as possible.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Happy Tuesday. That feels like Thursday. Sunday.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
By the way, was Fibonacci Day eleven twenty three?

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Go look it up. No, it's nerdy day. It's a
very nerdy day.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
KOA text to KOA gambling on credit is very dangerous.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
I say no.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
I get the convenience side, so I would say yes
to a debit card.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Hmm.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Interesting, Gina and Rotten like that that's my name.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Now.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
Regarding lottery ticket purchases, do we really need the government
to protect us.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
From ourselves on everything.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
I would like the convenience of using my credit card,
especially when I'm buying quite a few for my relatives
and workers like mailman, delivery people, trash.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Pickup folks at Christmas love the show? All right, that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
And how about the concept of a lottery ticket as
a Christmas press?

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Okay, so I did think about that because my dad
every year, which is hilarious, because I go home for Christmas,
I get Michigan lottery tickets.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
I have to cash them in in Michigan before I.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Come back, and he always gets us like a ton
fifty one hundred dollars worth of lottery tickets something like that.
Always plays a game where you could decide, Okay, do
you want to give your tickets to Ross and you
trade tickets with me before you scratch them, or do
you want to keep the ones that were in your
Christmas stocking to begin with? He plays all these fun
games with them. But I did think about that of
when I have to buy a ton of lottery tickets,

(36:15):
you do have to make sure you're carrying enough cash
in order to purchase them.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
So I never thought about lottery tickets as lottery tickets
for pack That seems like a pretty good idea actually,
and especially because I'm not a very creative person, and
so since I find it hard to think of what
I want to get people for gifts, that's kind of
an easy one and I bet people will like it.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
The only catches we've never won. We've been doing it forever.
We've as long as I can remember. My dad's been
giving us lottery tickets and we've never struck big. If
we do, what happens because it's just like I gets
to share it. Yeah, It's just kind of the whole
idea of like, well, if my dad technically purchased lottery ticket,
I don't think he would be.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Like, give me part of it, yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Mil, but like it is possible, but that there could
be a little bit of a family feud going on
if you edit up you big for sure.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
You'd have to specify the rules right at the beginning.
Whoever scratches the ticket owns the ticket and that's it.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Nobody else shares unless the ticket owner wants to.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Yep. Yeah. Oh, things like that.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
In the past, where it's like okay, I can give
you twenty bucks.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Now, yeah, and you give me.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Half your tickets or I'll give you x amount of
money and we can split your earnings.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Like he does this whole.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Mathematic, you know, just a whole idea of science behind it.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
Yeah, no thing clever, the game, the game theory involved
in what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Like teaching the kids that way of thinking, I think is.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Pretty more exciting than just scratching it off and be
like yeah, all right, I.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Need to learn more. But I'll tell you what.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
We're gonna hit a quick break here and well, Gina's
gonna tell us news you get weather trafficked, and then, believe.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
It or not, we're going to talk with Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Roz Kaminsky on the news with Gina Gandek. You may
be prepping for your Thanksgiving plans, getting that menu ready.
Maybe you're debating over apple pie or pumpkin pie, like
we have with our social media pole question for this morning. Well,
if you're new to Colorado, maybe your pumpkin pie might
taste a little different or come out a little different,
or maybe that hometown recipe might not be exactly what

(38:13):
you're looking for. Joining us on the KWA Common Spirit
Health hotline is CSU senior food scientist Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Caitlyn, I apologize already.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
I know we've talked with you on Colorado's morning news
in the past, but Ross has been making all the
jokes that I know you have to get with your
name being Caitlin Clark nowadays.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Am I wrong?

Speaker 6 (38:32):
I think I've heard them all?

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Won't We won't say anymore.

Speaker 7 (38:36):
H I would disappoint in any basketball competition, Caitlyn.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
I think a food scientist is way cooler than a
women's basketball player.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
I'll be honest. But when we're.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Talking about it, when we're talking about this interesting factor,
when we look at high altitude food preparation.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Let's let's paint that example.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Like I said earlier, you have that go to recipe
that's been passed down maybe from I don't know, even
a different country or a different state, and then you
try it here in Colorado and you go, what went wrong?

Speaker 1 (39:10):
What is the science behind it? When we're cooking here
in our high altitude so.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
Here in Denver, we have two problems, and the main
one is the altitude and the other one is the
dryness of our air. But at altitude, the main issue
is the water boiled at a different temperature because the
air pressure that's essentially holding the water back from boiling
is lower. There's not as much air pressure pushing back

(39:36):
on those water molecules the water boiled at lower temperature,
and so the result of that is that baked goods
and things that you're trying to cook lose moisture faster,
and gases expand more rapidly. So it can take some
adjustment to recipes that you might have made in Florida,

(40:00):
Pennsylvania to get them to behave the same way at
our altitude and our humidity.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
So let's talk about some of those adjustments. Are these
adjustments that are going to completely screw up your go
to Thanksgiving recipe or things like that, or what is
going to be sometimes the turnout if you don't adjust
the boiling point, the temperature point, things like that that
you could take into consideration when dealing with altitude.

Speaker 6 (40:24):
You know, some things don't require much adjustment at all,
So like you know, pies, you probably won't need to
adjust very much. Brownies don't need very much adjustment. But
then other things are really delicate and are likely to
fail if you try to make them here without adjustments.

(40:44):
So you know, foam cakes like say an angel fruit
cake or most cakes, or you know, around this time
of year a lot of people make like pumpkin bread
and those kind of quick breads are really likely to
collapse in the oven at our olitude without adjustments.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Because I am a you know, blue ribbon incredible chef,
almost everything I make is in the microwave.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
And so my.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
Question for you is does altitude affect microwave cooking? It does?

Speaker 6 (41:20):
It can because everything is Because the water is evaporating faster,
you may need like longer cook times than the microwave.
The food may dry out faster, and it also may
take longer because the water is actually boiling at a
lower temperature. So what the microwave is doing is actually

(41:42):
heating up that water to cook the food, and because
that water is getting to a lower temperature, it may
take longer to achieve the necessary cook temperature or the
necessary safe temperature. So microwave cooking times can often be
longer at our altitude.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
So, whether it's Mike for anything else, is there a
rule of thumb that you can tell a dumb person
like me, like generally adjust this way or do you
have to go look stuff up.

Speaker 6 (42:10):
Well, there are some rules of thumb, but they don't
apply to everything. So I would say that the main
thing is if you're using.

Speaker 7 (42:18):
If you're baking, and you're using any leavening agents, so
that means anything like yeast or baking soda or baking
powder that's going to help the dough rise and expand
at our altitude. Leavening agents should be reduced, usually by
about twenty percent, is a good rule of thumb, and
the reason for.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
That is because they create gases. That's how they cause
the dough to rise and expand, and those gases expand
faster at our altitudes, again because there's not as much
air pressure pushing back at them, and because that happens
so much faster, it can happen before the actual bread

(42:58):
structure has set in the oven, and that's what causes
those quick breads and neat breads and eleven goods to collapse.
So if we reduce those leavening agents by about twenty percent,
that's usually the most helpful adjustment. Another common recommendation is
to increase the oven temperature because it helps set the

(43:21):
structure of makes goods before they can collapse. So I
would say those two things are a good rule of
some reduce levening agents by about twenty percent and increase
your oven temperature by twenty or twenty five degrees.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
We're speaking with Caitlin Clark's CSU Senior Food Scientists.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
There's an article with the.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Guide to High Elevation Food Preparation on CSU's website Extension
dot Coloradostate dot edu. But Kaitlin, I was curious if
you have any other resources or things that people could
go online for if they're trying some of these recipes
and needing to know what else that they need to
do in order to convert it for our high altitude.
Is there other resources out there online?

Speaker 6 (44:01):
A number of other universities have extension information similar to CFUs,
but honestly, CSU has done incredible work specifically on this topic.
I can't think of a better resource than CSU's extension
work on high elevation baking.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Caitlin, thank you so much for joining us. I know
it is holiday break for you as well. Also your
professor that helped you out with your PhD.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
I know she reached out and said I could do
the interview as well.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
And I said, oh, I booked Caitlin and she said, oh, perfect,
She's going to be even better than me.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
So your professor had very high remarks for you as well.
But thank you so much for joining us on your holiday.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (44:39):
Thank you very much for having me.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
All Right, that was fun.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
I'm probably not going to cook.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Actually, See, that's the thing is I hope that was
helpful for the people that do cook.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Yeah, that's not me.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
And we're spending all this time talking about pies and
actually pies aren't affected very much because the crust isn't
really rising like or cake or right.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Calendar pie that's in my safe way order that I'm
going to be picking up after work today is not
affected either.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Marie Calendar does make some good pies, do they? Because
this is the first time I was actually trying it,
and I wonder.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
I think they're originally a pie company, like what, Shannon,
go ahead?

Speaker 1 (45:17):
The first Marie Calendars.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Oh my gosh, I literally never never get Marie Calendar pies.
I wondered if that was a cop out for the
Thanksgiving on the table.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
I think I think they're really good.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
And Shannon, you have button you can hit over there
since you talked now, oh, come on, that's half the fun.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
It's oh my gosh. Hey. One quick thing.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
I had read a listener text saying I would like
I'm fine with being able to buy with buy lottery
tickets on a debit card, but not a credit card,
and a whole bunch of people, including intrepid Chad Bauer, said, well,
you can buy lottery tickets on debit cards already right now,
just not credit cards. Just so you know, Happy Tuesday,
it feels like Thursday. This is Ross on the News
with Gina. A couple of quick things I want to mention.

(46:02):
First regarding the previous topic with adjustments for cooking and
baking with high altitude, a listener, a couple of listeners
texted in questions asking what about a pressure cooker or
an insta pot, And I have to say I would
have gotten this raw. My thinking would have been, well,

(46:22):
since it adds pressure, it probably you know, compensates for
high altitude, and actually.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Actually it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
And CSU's website, the CSU Extension, they actually have a
whole web page on adjusting for elevation when pressure cooking,
and bottom line is depending on your altitude. Generally you
have to increase cooking time because even within the pressure cooker,
even within the instapot, basically the water will boil at

(46:53):
a lower temperature, is effectively what's going on, and so
you've got to cook the stuff for longer. So at
you know, around a mile high, you'd be adding around
fifteen percent or so to your cooking time.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
So that's a nerdy answer to that.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
I also want to just take a brief moment talk
about the markets.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
This morning been very volatile. The market opened.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Up, the Nasdaq is down a couple hundred points now,
that DAO is about flat. The NASDAK had an enormous
day yesterday and one of its biggest up days in
a long time. And a couple people emailed me because
they know I'm a market's guy, asking why that happened.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
And I want to make something really really clear.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
That is, whenever anybody tells you why something happened in
the market, unless it's the most obvious thing ever, like
a war started, they're just guessing. I mean, it could
be a good guess, but usually there's more than one thing,
or maybe somebody will have a reason to start selling.
And then when the market goes down, that causes other
people to start selling just because it's going down, just

(47:56):
as an example, So you got to be careful when
I or anybody else tells you why something happened. First
of all, it's a guess unless there's a big news thing.
And second of all, it's almost never just one thing.
But I thought I would give you my best guess
as to why the Nasdaq was up so much yesterday,
and here it is. I think there were a ton
of people on the short side of the AI trade,

(48:20):
meaning people betting that AI stocks were overvalued, and then
the Nvidia earnings came out and then went up a
little and then down a little, and then I think
you had an immense number of people betting that these
stocks were going to go down, and they didn't go
down very much, and suddenly all those people don't want
to take losses anymore, and so they all start buying

(48:40):
those stocks, and they all jump in and chase it up.
And it's a not an obvious thing to people who
aren't professional traders. Haven't been professional traders because you don't
tend to think of taking the short position on stuff.
Meaning you heard the phrase by low sell high which
is what you should be trying to do when you're

(49:01):
trading from the short position. It's the same concept, but
the reverse order, so you sell first. And the way
it works, now, let me just take a moment and
explain it. Because I used to do this for a
living and I love this stuff. I'm sure you've heard
the concept going short and maybe even wondering what it means.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
So here's how it works.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Let's say I think XYZ stock is going down.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
How do you make money on that? So this is
how it works.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
You borrow some XYZ stock from somebody who has it.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
So let's say.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Producer Shannon owns one hundred shares of XYZ stock. I
borrow it from him. I give him a little bit
of money just to borrow it from him, so he
has that incentive to loan it to me.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
But I owe him the stock back. Okay.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
I borrow the stock, and let's say I go sell
that one hundred shares of XYZ for fifty dollars a share.
So now I have five thousand dollars in my account.
But it's not free money because I I'll owe him
the stock. Okay, So it's not like free money, but
I have five thousand dollars in my account. Now, let's
say XYZ drops to forty dollars a year. Now I

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go buy one hundred shares of XYZ. I spend four
thousand dollars to get it. I give producer Shannon back
the hundred shares of XYZ that I borrowed from him,
and I still have one thousand dollars left in my account.
Why because I bought low at forty and sold high
at fifty. I just did it in the reverse order.

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Now here's the thing. Most people you think about buying stocks,
and that's how most people play the stock mark.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
You buy the stocks.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
And if a lot of people are on one side
of a trade, and everybody thinks, you know, widget stocks
are going to the moon, and everybody starts buying tons
of shares of all the widget stocks, and it starts going,
it starts going up a little, but then it's like
it's failing. Oh my gosh, And everybody's in already, and
they're like, you know what, it's not working. I want
to get out, and they all and then they all
start selling, and then there's a kind of a panic

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because these other people who are in the widget stocks too,
and they're not really they don't have high conviction about it.
And now they're down a little. They were up a little,
now they're down a little. Or maybe maybe this is
the other way to look at it, maybe they're up
quite a bit. Maybe they bought the widget stock at
thirty and it's sixty now, but it starts drifting down
fifty seven, fifty five, fifty three, now it's fifty and like,

(51:24):
you know what, I gotta lock it in. I'm gonna
go sell this stuff. And they're just this mad rush
to sell, and all these people are selling. The reverse
can happen with people are piled into short positions and
they all need to buy rather than they all need
to sell. And I think that's what happened yesterday in
Nasdaq stocks. That's my guess that a whole bunch of
people were caught short and a very thin day on

(51:47):
a holiday trading week, so the people who might normally
be there to sell them these stocks weren't there, and
they chased it up with very.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Few sellers around.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
And I suspect that's part of the reason it was
such a big day yesterday. And that's part of the
reason that I mean the market's only been open twenty minutes,
but the Nasdaq is down about one hundred and eighty
five points now, maybe a third of what it gained
yesterday because some people have come back in or noticed
that and said, wow, that stock is really high. Now
I'm going to sell some. So anyway, that was a

(52:17):
much longer money and markets commentary than I normally do,
but I hope you found it interesting. That is brought
to you by Blue heron Capital. We still have an
immense amount of stuff to do on today's show and
only about another hour to do it, So please stay
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Gina on the news and traffic and whether every fifteen

(52:39):
minutes or so, including in just a couple of minutes
right here, Bross on the news with Gina. I've got
producer shinning behind the glass this week as Dragon is
on vacation, I want to do a little bit of
political stuff with you right now, if you don't mind.
There's a thing going on within the Republican Party that
I don't want to make too much of, but I

(53:01):
also don't want to make nothing of, and that is
this very public split among section between sections of the
Party in terms of how they feel about Israel, and
then some of that starts to bleed over. At least
it feels like it to me in terms of more
kind of anti Semitic kind of a vibe about it.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
And certainly when.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Tucker Carlson has a Nazi on his show, Nick Fuentes,
who is clearly a real Nazi, I'm not just saying that.
And Tucker has had a bunch of other people, you know,
this so called historian who who said that Hitler what
really wasn't so bad? And the real villain of World
War Two was Winston Churchill. So I don't you know,
I don't know where these guys are going with this.

(53:46):
Candice Owens has become a full on Nazi, which is
not easy for a black person to be, but she's
done it. And even people like Megan Kelly now are
taking pretty significant anti Israel positions that I don't entirely understand,
because I actually don't think most of the Republican Party
feels that way. Just part of the reason I don't
want to make too much of it, but there is
a definite split there within part of me, within the

(54:09):
GOP about Israel.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
And then you know, as.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
I said, and maybe I'm a little sensitive to this
being Jewish, and I admit that, but it does start
to drift toward what feels like anti Semitism, and so
and so when I when I saw this next story,
it occurred to me, this could really be a quandary
for some people in the the Maga part of the

(54:33):
of the party, right, and that is So, you know, Shannon,
you you for sure know this dude who well you
probably don't know him by name, and neither did I.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
His actual name is Opher Vince Shlomi. You know who
he is.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
Does his name mean anything to you? He's the sham
Wow guy. You remember the sham Wow guy with the
you know, good looking young guy with the kind of
spiky hair, that dude. So he's actually and israelly American.
He's an American citizen, but he's an Israeli American and
he has just filed to run for Congress in Texas

(55:12):
as a Republican.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
And Fox News.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Has a story where they interviewed him and he said
he was motivated by a desire to quote destroy wokeism,
which is awesome and as a tribute to the late
Charlie Kirk, who he called the original woke buster, and
he added that the political infighting in the country eventually

(55:38):
inspired him to seek office and make America happy. Now,
if you can believe it, Channon Sham. Wow, guy is
now sixty one years old, right, isn't he one of
those people you always picture is this whatever twenty nine
or thirty two year old or however old he is in.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
He ads, but he is. Uh, he's sixty one and
he's running to.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
Unseat another Republican in the primary, a guy named John Carter,
who is eighty four years old. The district, according to Fox,
is the northern suburbs of Austin and towns called Temple,
a town of Temple, and fort Hood, and there's at
least five candidates there, so it's not even sure that

(56:21):
he's gonna win the primary. But I just thought I
would mention this, and I mean it only half sarcastically. Okay,
a little bit sarcastically, but only half sarcastically. This probably
is a little bit of a quandary for some of
the MAGA people who have been drifting anti Israel, anti Semitic,
ant you know, this.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Again, I don't want to overplay that because that's not
all of them. It's not even very many of them.
It's just more than I'm comfortable with. But in any case,
you know, what do you do if you are kind
of an anti israel Ish.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Person and you know, sort of the the.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
Or fringe maga part of the Republican Party, and you've
got this guy running who hates wokeism, loves Charlie Kirk,
and is running specifically to keep that message of Charlie
Kirk going and to keep these fundamental American values going
as he perceives.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Them, as Charlie Kirk perceived them. But he's Israeli American.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
It seems like a bit of a quandary, and I
really I only mean that slightly sarcastically. The other thing
that I wanted to mention is an interesting story I
saw on axios this morning and it just came out
early this morning. The headline is the worst good paying

(57:44):
job in America and they're talking about Congress, and of
course the most famous recent resignation would be Marjorie Taylor Green.
But this is a bigger picture story, right, most housemakers.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
So outside of Speaker of.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
The House, so I guess makes more and some stuff
like that. But they make one hundred and seventy four
thousand dollars a year. So on the one hand, that's
a pretty good amount of money. On the other hand,
it's actually kind of a hard job.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
You know. We think about, oh.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
They get a lot of respect, and they get invited
all these parties and people treat them well and all
this stuff. But you're away from home a lot, and
you have to spend money living in Washington, d c. Right,
You have to buy your own food, rent an apartment,
all this stuff. It's very expensive, so it doesn't go
as far as one hundred and seventy four thousand dollars
might go if you know, lived somewhere else and had

(58:32):
a different sort of job. But what this article is
talking about is how many members of Congress, Republicans and
Democrats alike, have announced that they are all they're gonna resign.
I think it's in the forties and a lot of
these folks are talking about death threats. And I'll tell you,

(58:53):
somebody texted me yesterday and said, you know, I think
Marjorie Taylor Green is just getting out out of political
expediency or whatever. And I said, yeah, I'm sure there's
some of that, because I do think she would win
her election, although I also think Marjorie Taylor Green is
right when she says probably Republicans are going to lose
the majority, and being in the House of Representatives in

(59:15):
the minority is really no fun at all.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Being in any legislative body that.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
Doesn't have a filibuster like the Senate, and in any
other situation where it's absolute majority rules, being in the
minority is terrible because you get ignored and there's nothing
you can.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Do about it.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
So in any case, though, I think that the rise
of threats against politicians has been a real thing, and
I believe that the assassination of Charlie Kirk has really
awakened a lot of these people to take the threats
they get more seriously. And Marjorie Taylor Green definitely has

(59:54):
gotten death threats. Many members of Congress have gotten death threats.
Marjorie Taylor Green has what a cup of young kids.
A lot of members of Congress have kids, and nobody
wants to die. And what you're going to die for
a job. So you're representing some people in Congress. Do
you really want the pin that much? Do you really
want what Thomas Massey calls my precious that pin on

(01:00:15):
the lapel? Do you really want it that much? And
from Axios, another House Republican, speaking on the condition of anonymity,
told Axios that while they're not likely to resign, quote,
the thought has crossed my mind.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
And I know I'm not the only one.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
And Kim Burchett, a hardcore MAGA Republican and a really
funny guy Republican from Tennessee, told Axios yesterday that death
threats have been a factor in members decision to leave.
He said, it takes a toll on people. So I
would just say that I don't think the average listener

(01:00:52):
to this show is going to be the kind of
person to threaten a politician, but please don't do that.
And I would also encourage President Trump to be a
little better, you know, when he disagrees with like these
idiot Democrats and their idiot video, like, he didn't need
to go so far as to say punishable by death.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
He could say he doesn't like it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
He could even say, you know, he considers it seditious
or this or that, or even jail. But he shouldn't
have said punishable by death. And you know, it's a
trumpy thing, but it's a thing that isn't harmless.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
And you might think I'm being a little too sensitive
about it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
And I don't really love Congress and lots of members
of Congress, but they shouldn't be facing death threats.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
It really is that simple.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Don't forget there are rules to what foods you can
bring on an airplane this Thanksgiving.

Speaker 8 (01:01:36):
Tsay says most Thanksgiving dinner items can pass through checkpoints.
They say pack meat cooked or raw in your carry on,
as well as pies, brownies, stuffing, and casse roles.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
They said.

Speaker 8 (01:01:47):
The only issue really comes with liquid or semi solid
items like gravy or sauce. Those need to be completely
frozen at the checkpoint or they'll make you throw them out.
I'm pre Tennis Ross.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
I think if you're the one that's stuck bringing the
church and flying in and having to pack it in
your carry on, I think you're going to the wrong Thanksgiving.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
That whole wording like raw meat in your carry on,
Like you've done that story twice now and I did
a double take both times.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Like raw meat.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
I don't think that's something you say to the TSA
agents as you're walking through too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
I think you get an extra search if you say that,
and they were like, I'm sorry you have what? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
All right, yeah, no raw meat in the carry on please?

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
And not Here's another thing that falls into the category
of not just no, but hell no.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
And I think Gina might have talked.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
About this yesterday, and I just want to get into
a little more detail with you. Excel Energy, which provides
electricity for many people here in Colorado, is asking the
Public Utilities Commission for what sounds to me like a
pretty significant hike in electricity rates. They are looking for

(01:03:00):
an increase of almost ten percent, maybe we'll call it
nine percent, and for the average home electric bill, that
would be about ten dollars a month on the home
electric bill, and then I don't know what the average
number would be for businesses, which you would think in
general use more electricity, and of course, of course in

(01:03:21):
electricity intensive you know, manufacturing businesses and things like that.
Obviously a lot more from the Colorado Sun. The utility
filed the rate request on November twenty first with the
Public Utilities Commission, seeking to raise three hundred and fifty
six million dollars in additional revenue to recover infrastructure investments,
operating costs, and lost revenue sources. It's been three years

(01:03:43):
since Exal Energy increased its basic charge for electricity. During
that time, the company has spent nearly three hundred million
dollars upgrading.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
The distribution system. YadA, YadA, YadA. They say these investments.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
Are aligned with state policy, with our customers needs and wants,
and with our own designers to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Reduce climate change.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
So, I know, I talk about this a lot, This
sort of a pet peeve with me, and I just
want to take a minute or two on it here.
And maybe for those who are relatively new to the show,
maybe you haven't heard me talk about this before. The
business model for regulated utilities is pretty straightforward, and that
is they get permission from these public utility commissions. They

(01:04:25):
get permission to engage in large capital expenditure projects with
a guarantee that they will get a return on those projects. Right,
So they say we want to spend two hundred million
dollars on solar panels, and the public utility commission says,
that's fine, you can go do that. And then what
they do is they raise their rates enough to pay

(01:04:46):
back the two hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Million dollars and some return.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
I don't know what the number is, eight percent a
year something like that, you know, on on that two
hundred million dollars. So they're going to make sixteen million
dollars a year profit on that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
No matter what, no matter what.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
And so the thing to understand with that is that
the incentives for the power companies, it's to spend as
much money as possible. So how does that plan now
to the whole climate thing? So you are probably well
aware that our governor Jared Polis not a big fan

(01:05:21):
of oil and gas, although I have to say he
hasn't attacked oil and gas as much as I thought
he would. But he's not a big fan. But what
he really loves is so called renewable and he's got
these ridiculous, impossible targets of this state being quote unquote
carbon neutral, as if that's even a useful goal.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
But he has that goal for what is it, twenty forty.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
Fifteen years from now, and I think you know, he
keeps trying to make it even earlier, and this is
just not going to happen. Now. You could use accounting
tricks to make it happen, right, So you could produce
a bunch of electricity here in the state of Colorado
using natural gas, for example, but then say that you're
going to sell that electricity to outside of Colorado and
then buy electricity from I don't know, Texas where they're

(01:06:06):
using wind turbines, and import that electricity into Colorado, and
then say Colorado is carbon neutral. It's not very efficient
and it's very expensive, but you could kind of make
your virtue signaling points that way. But here's the thing
with EXCEL and why EXCEL says that they're interested in
climate change. Raise your hand if you believe that Excel

(01:06:28):
Energy Management cares about climate change. How many hands do
we see? None? All right, they don't care. The only
reason they care about climate change is that it allows
them to say, well, because we want to meet Governor
Polos's goals, we're going to go install lots of solar

(01:06:50):
panels or lots of wind turbines or some.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Other you know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
It's not all nonsense, but it's mostly nonsense, and it's
very very expensive. Despite the you know them telling you
that it's cheaper, it's almost never cheaper.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
They say that it's cheaper.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
Back in the day, they used to say that it's
cheaper because they.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Didn't mention how subsidized it was.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
So if the if the tax payer is paying for
half of it, then you'll call it cheaper. But it's
not actually cheaper. It's like when people say you're getting
a free lunch, it's not actually free. It's just a
lunch somebody else is being made to pay for. So
the power company goes ahead with these projects and they
want to spend these hundreds of millions of dollars on

(01:07:32):
this renewable stuff. Why because every time they get permission
to do it, they are guaranteed a profit.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
And that's why we need to be very very careful.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
And Accel Energy has done a lot of this stuff,
engaged in a whole bunch of building of so called
renewable energy stuff that they are guaranteed a profit on.
But sometimes bad things happen and they can't get the
project done. And you know, they have these problems right
now trying to get permits through Elbert County and through
El Paso County, and some of these places are trying

(01:08:04):
to block them, and so their costs go up, and
then they want to come back and ask for more
money because they engaged in a bunch of stuff that
really I think isn't needed. I think it's just my opinion,
and my opinion is worth what you've paid for it, right,
which is zero. But my opinion is that very, very

(01:08:25):
much of the renewable stuff is Look, I don't want
to I don't want to use terms that are just insulting.
I'll say unnecessary and inefficient just as a matter of
economics and as a matter of the best way to
generate electricity. The best way to generate electricity would be
to build a nuclear power plant, right, and we need
to make that easier, we need to make that faster.

(01:08:46):
There may be some places where solar makes sense, and
Colorado could have some of those places. There may be
some places where wind makes sense. That's a tricky one.
Wind kills a lot of birds, it's really ugly. Solar
also takes up an immense amount of land. There's a
lot to keep in mind there. But getting back to
the headline, Excel Energy is not alone. There's fifty seven

(01:09:11):
rate increases that utilities are trying to get around the country,
and Excel isn't even the only one in Colorado. United
Power Core Electric Cooperative Colorado Springs utilities all trying to
get this and maybe there's some legitimacy to it, but
some but I think the Public Utilities Commission must be

(01:09:33):
and will be very, very sensitive to the fact that
Coloraden's feel very squeezed financially right now.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
And to whatever extent they feel like they need to
give some rate increase to EXCEL.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
I hope it's much less than the nine to ten
percent EXCEL is asking for. And generally, I hope they
will be much more careful about letting these power companies
engage in building these massive new buildouts of so called
renewable stuff. One last thing, Remember that when you go
build the new solar thing or the new wind thing

(01:10:09):
in some remote place, you then also need to build
all the transmission to get the power from there to here.
And that's really expensive too. This show is going fast,
only a couple of segments left.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
I'm ross. That's Gina Hygena.

Speaker 6 (01:10:25):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
We let's take a minute and.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
Talk about pies and then I'm gonna just do some
some I want to go back to the jam Comy
Jim Comy thing for a minute. But Gina asked her
social media question this morning during Colorado's Morning News, which airs.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Each day from five to six.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
And if you missed any of it and want to
catch even more news than you already get during this show,
you can go to Koacolorado dot com and listen to
that podcast, and of course you can listen to the
podcast to this show as well. But you wanted to
settle the what was it the hot the hot debate?

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
That's the hot debate, hot debate. Apple pumpkin pie or
apple pie. I'm not a pumpkin pie person. Does is
pumpkin pie ever eaten?

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Hot?

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Or? Or? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
I think? I mean I like it. I like it
a little warm, little all right.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
But you and I both prefer apple pie, is that
what we're saying? Or No, you prefer apple pie if
it's with ice cream, but you're okay with pumpkin pie
if it's with whipped cream because it's an excuse.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
To eat the whipped cream.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Yes, yeah, that makes perfect sense to me, because if
I just had a plain apple pie or a plain
pumpkin pie, I'm going to pick the apple. But if
there's whipped cream, I might pick the pumpkin. If there's
ice cream, I'm going to pick the apple.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
With the ice cream, any flavor of ice cream.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
Does a vanilla like a vanilla ice cream just with
the top of apple.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
And I'm talking like a Dutch apple pie, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
Like a couple listeners have said that, what does that mean?
The Dutch part.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
I think that's the one that has I could be
completely wrong here, but I think the Dutch pie is
because it's got the crust on top too. It's kind
of like a bubble, like it's a little sandwich of.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Apples in the side.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Events yeah, but way more crust to it, a lot
more on the top. I know a lot of people
just make like an apple pie that's kind of open,
or like a crumbled apple pie that has the little
like crumblies on top, but dust apple. Now you're talking
like it's a whole ordeal full sandwich.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
I learned something A bunch of listeners said, Dutch apple
And if you want to send your opinion in please
do at five six six nine zero.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
And it's sort of two separate questions.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
One is if you had to pick between apple and pumpkin.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Which would you pick the other?

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
And you can answer either question or both is if
you could pick any pie any kind of pie. And
let's say for Thanksgiving, what would you pick four Thanksgiving specifically,
because it does seem to be like people will pick
pumpkin pie for Thanksgiving when they would not pick pumpkin
pie for the rest of the year. And I'm just
gonna give you a couple of listener answers so far.
Cherry French silk, yes please, cheesecake yes please, as well

(01:12:52):
pecan apple, A bunch of people talking about rubar pie.
Some people love it, some people hate it. Still thinking
about that, Gina, So I.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Was going to mention the dunge apple pie is the
one with all the little crumblies on top, so like
when you think of an apple pie, it's got all
the like extra crust crumbly parts. I don't know what
you really call it, but but yes, in the strawberry rubarb,
I think I need to try it before I knock
it because I'm not sure if I've really had it before.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
And then another person says all pies except for mince meat,
which was interesting because another listener said had a mince
meat pie and as a kid, and I think I
thought it was good.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
But does.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
I think mince meat might meet in something other than
minced meat. I'm not an expert on this. I've heard
it a lot, do you. Gina's looking it up, and
I know I selling a moron right now not knowing
what it is because I don't think it's a meat product. No,
I wouldn't know what it is either.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Found Google Ai says a traditional British holiday dessert filled
with mince meat, a sweet, spiced mixture of dried and
candied fruit, spices, and often animal fat, sometimes a small
amount of actual mince meat.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
I'm not really down with uh, with the sort of dried,
hard candied fruit like you get in the fruitcakes or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
I've never I've never been no, never been down with that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
All right, Well, keep your keep your cards and letters
coming at five, six, six nine zero. What's your what's
your favorite pie for Thanksgiving?

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:14:16):
Peach pie and mock apple pie made with ritz crackers?

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Wow? Uh? Ross? And Gina, is pumpkin pie ever eaten? Hot?

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
Listening to you guys talk about food is like listening
to aliens questioning the human need for sustance. Look, I'm
not a pumpkin pie guy. I just don't I don't know,
I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry if I sound
like a moron, and I admit I might, I admit it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Let me just take a couple of minutes on.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
This Jim Comey thing, uh and the Letitia James thing.
Yesterday a judge tossed out the indictments against Comy and James.
And I'm just gonna summarize this very briefly. The indictments
were were gotten by this woman named Lindsay who was
named by Pam Bondi as the interim US attorney, and

(01:15:08):
she was brought in three days before the statute of
limitations ran expired. On what they're going to charge Comy
for you got five years, and three days later it
would have been five years.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
So they rushed her in.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
There because the professional prosecutors in that office said there's
no case here and we're not going to bring it,
and Trump said, no, we want you. I want you
to go after Comy in particular, but Letitia James as well.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
The judge ruled yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
That Lindsay Halligan could not have been named. I won't
get into the details, but could was not allowed to
be named as the acting US attorney, not because of
anything about Lindsay Halligan herself, by the way, but because
of some other part of the process that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
I won't go into.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
So the question now becomes, what's the government going to do?
Are they going to appeal the ruling? Probably they will
probably lose the appeal. I think going after Tish James
again be easy because the crimes that they are going
to charge her with were committed relatively recently. The thing
with Jim Comey is harder, and there may be different

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ways to go about it. There appears to be a
provision in federal law that may apply here that says
that if an indictment is brought within the statute of
limitations but then is thrown out a felony indictment is
thrown out, the government gets six months to do it again,
even if the statute of limitations would have expired during

(01:16:32):
that time, as long as that first one was brought
in a timely waye So they may use that They
may try to appoint Lindsay Halligan to the number two
job in that eastern district of Virginia, and then let
her serve from that number two job as the acting
US Attorney while the number one job is empty. We
will see if they try that and if they get

(01:16:54):
away with it. The main point I want to make here,
though very briefly, is the Trump administry is well aware
that if these things actually get to trial, there's a
very good chance the government will lose, especially the Comy case.
I don't know enough about the evidence in the Leticia
James gets the case to have a strong opinion. I

(01:17:14):
do think the government will get stomped pretty hard in
the Jim Comey case. But here's the thing. They don't care.
This isn't about whether they win or lose at the end.
This is about putting people through the ringer, putting people
through the process, making them pay for attorneys, making them
spend their time on stuff that, even if it's nonsense.

(01:17:35):
Trump feels like this is exactly what they did to him,
and he wants them to get a taste of their
own medicine. I'm Ross Gena in studio Shannon behind the
Glass cut just a couple of minutes together, one very
very quick clarification on that last topic. So a listener
or texted in saying, Ross, did you say you think
Leticia James is gonna not be convicted if it goes

(01:17:57):
to trial? And no, I said, I don't know an
off about the evidence against her to give an opinion
as to what happens to Letitia James. I do think
James call me will not be convicted if it goes
to trial.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Listener, text, As.

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
You both know, Gina, nothing better than hot Michigan cherry
pie with vanilla ice cream.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Is that a thing? Yes? Yeah, they grow cherries in Michigan.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
Friver City Cherries cherry capital. Really, I don't know if
it's of the world or something.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
Well that, yeah, but yes, we'll call Palisade the peach
capital here in Michigan.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Cherry pie. Yeah, I'm in, all right, Yeah, that sounds good.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
I've the disclaimer that I think I'm in for any pie,
even when we talk about the apple pumpkin debate, and
if pumpkin's my only option and there's no whipped cream,
I'm still gonna eat a slice.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Of pumpkin pie. Really.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Yeah, I'm a huge dessert person. Any dessert I'm in,
but I'll usually prefer some over the others.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
Okay, what would be a dessert that a relatively common dessert?
Let's say, and let me ask listeners this too, and
text us at five six nine.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Zero, and tell me your answer.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
What would be a relatively common dessert that if I
offered it to you, you would likely say no, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
I'm not a huge chocolate cake with chocolate frosting fans.

Speaker 4 (01:19:12):
Okay, I'll take yours and then and you can have
my pumpkin pie deal yaues. I say no to pumpkin pie, yeah,
and I probably say no to pecan pie. I wouldn't
like make me hurl. It's not blue cheese, it's not
Bell pepper, it's just.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Eh, what's with Bell peppers? They're bad? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
Oh, speaking of food, we mentioned this yesterday, but let's
mention it again right now. Come join me and Gina
for lunch. Gina, do you want to give them the details?
Do you want me to do it?

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
I think I could do it. I've never been to Cromeberger. Yeah,
so I'm looking forward to this. We were asking what's
the best burger? I needed a vegetarian option. Everybody texted Crownburger.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
So this is going to be December tenth. It's a Wednesday,
December tenth because Ross Lake's prime numbers twelve oh one,
or just show up at noon. I like being on
time to things. Twelve oh one kind of freaks me
out to be there.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
At that time. Crownburger, South Colorado Boulevard, and.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
We will be there. And no, you're not buying our lunch.
We're not buying you lunch. We're all just kind of
hanging out, saying Hi.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
Yeah, exactly right, Producer Shannon might be there. Very rare
public appearance by producer Shannon. He tends to be somewhat
of a recluse, but he might be there. Also, he's
got many, many, many many years of wonderful experiences and
memories at Crownburger, so he really digs that place.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
So he might join us. Yes, producer Shannon, Yes, or
did you just want to play that? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
All right, just that's that's Shannon Bream from Fox News.
The other Shannon saying, producer Shannon, Okay, yes, so Wednesday,
December tenth, not next Wednesday, but the Wednesday after twelve
oh one pm.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
But you can be early like Gina and be there
at noon.

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
Crown Burger, east side of Colorado Boulevard, about half a
mile south of I twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
And I sure hope you will come join us.

Speaker 4 (01:20:53):
You don't need to make reservation or anything, and we'll
just keep reminding you and if you if you show up,
you do, and if you don't, you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
I think that's uh.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
I think that's all we got time for today. Thank
you for a fabulous show, Gina, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
We'll see you tomorrow for a Wednesday. It feels like Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
Can't wait.