11-26-25 FULL SHOW Happy Thanksgiving Men's mental health Ukraine peace Death clock app and beer

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ross on the news with Gina. Good morning, Gina. It's
a very pumpkin colored sweater you have today. It's definitely yellow. Yeah,
was that intentional for pumpkins?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Pumpkins? Pumpkins?

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Well, it's all right, it's pumpkin pie color. It's not
pumpkin color. It's pumpkin it's pumpkin.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Pie conor sure, yeah, Can I just tell you?

Speaker 1 (00:21):
So, I just want you to know you're going to
be doing most of the work today because my brain
is not working very well.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
And I would just like to give you an example
of that.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
So you have the lights a little bit dim in here,
not very dim, but a little bit.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
And I like it. But it's just how dumb I
am today.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
So I came in and I was looking at my
laptop for something, and I was having a little bit
of trouble reading the screen. And I thought to myself,
it's because the lights are dim. But that's not how
computer screens work, right. If the screen is dim, the
screen is dim, and you have to turn up the
brightness on the screen, not the lights in them, not

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the lights.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
In the room.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
So I realized I needed Eventually, I realized I needed
to turn up the brightness.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
On the screen, one of those days, one of yeah,
one of those days.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
You love Thursdays And if today is a no, never mind,
today's a Wednesday that feels like a friend.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
But I did love dirt with dirty yesterday. Was it
loved yesterday? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Because I hate Tuesdays, but I love Thursdays.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Felt like a yesday.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
And we're gonna I'm gonna ask you, but you don't
have to answer right now, but I'm gonna ask everybody
an obvious question that you ask people going into Thanksgiving?

Speaker 2 (01:28):
What are you thankful for?

Speaker 1 (01:30):
So please text us at five six six nine zero
and make it something interesting. Don't make it something boring like, oh,
I'm thankful for my family. I don't care, all right,
I don't care if you're thankful for your family. I
don't care if you're thankful for your job. Even though
I'm thankful for mine, I don't want to hear it.
I want something much more interesting than that. So tell

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us something you're thankful for, and it does.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Not have to be earthshaking.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
For example, I realized this morning as I was making
my tea that I'm very thankful. And I kind of
learned this from producer Shannon that sugar free coffee maate
will last more or less forever in the refrigerator.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
I'm always like, if you're gonna make it sugar free,
I'm not gonna use it.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
You you should have seen Gina's face just then when
she said.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Ugh, coffee creamer is supposed to sweeten the coffee. Yeah,
it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
I got the Italian sweet cream sugar free version, so
it's got some kind of artificial sweetener in it, not
sugar I would get, I would get I don't mind sugar, actually,
but I think the sugar.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Ones maybe have dairy. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
I would get actual sugar, but I think it won't
last forever that way. This, now that I know it's
it's entirely made of chemicals and there's essentially nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Natural about it. It lasts forever in.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
The fridge, which is because I just use a little
bit each day.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Are you saying you're using your creamer well passed its
expiration date?

Speaker 5 (02:57):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:57):
I don't even look at expiration date for things like
this because there's nothing natural about it, So how would
it even expire?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
I don't even try.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
I don't even I mean, I'm sure there is an
expiration date on it.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
You think you're past it? I hope.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
So it's more fun that way. This is an ongoing
thing in my house too. I'm not just saying this
to you. It's like things will pass that.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Oh yeah, maybe maybe not not meet so much, but
things like this. Are you a smell test person?

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (03:26):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (03:27):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Are you no?

Speaker 4 (03:28):
No?

Speaker 1 (03:29):
The thing is expiration dates aren't even really exploration dates.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
You know your best best before this. Honestly, if they.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Weren't even on there, I'd probably just stay blissfully unaware.
But for some reason, looking at the date and then
eating it, I go, know, all.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Right, I'll go look at the date in the next
in the next break, I'll go, I'll go look at
the date, and I'll and I'll let you know.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
All right, let's do just a little bit of news.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Here, because it is Ross Kominski on the news with Gina,
and I'm not sure whether i want to do a
heavier story or a light story. I'll do a heavier
story now because we just started off the show with
some silliness, and so let's just talk for a couple
of minutes about the Ukraine Russia peace deal thingy.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Whatever it ends up, it might be. It's changing very
very quickly.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
And let me just back it up for a couple
of days now, because there's been a lot of sort
of whiplash in this and a couple other stories, but.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
In this one.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
So just several days ago, we heard of a peace plan,
a twenty nine point piece plan that now we're hearing
it sounds.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Like may literally have been written by the Russians.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, we'll see whether that is proven out, but that's
certainly the rumor today.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
I think maybe Gina reported that.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
And so you got this plan that Steve Wikoff, who
did a tremendous job working with Jared Kushner on the
Israel Gaza peace plan, And I don't know how long
it'll last, but just getting where they got is already
kind of an amazing thing. But Wikkough gets this thing
that apparently, I mean, it's your red like it was
written by the Russians, right, like Ukraine can't have an

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army bigger than such and such a size, and Russia
gets territory that it doesn't even control now, that Ukraine
would have to give up more land, and that Ukraine
could never join NATO, and there could never be Western
troops in Ukraine, and it was like it was just
this crazy Russian wish list that initially President Trump gave
the Ukrainians just until tomorrow to agree to. But then

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Republicans and maybe some Democrats in America saw it and
reacted in horror, and most of Europe saw it and
reacted in horror because it was just an outright Ukrainian
surrender and with a deal that was probably.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Worse than anything Zelenski might have imagined.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
And so there was this huge pushback and Trump kind
of backed off and said, oh, no, this is not
the thing. This is just a framework to begin negotiations.
It wasn't They lied about that, but I'm glad they
pivoted because the deal was so terrible. So Marco Rubio
went out there to try to clean up Steve Witcoff's mess,
and they have been working on a new version of

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a deal, and it does seem like they probably have one.
They don't have all the details, but some of the details,
and Ukraine has said we're going to accept whatever this
deal is. There's still a couple of things we need
to work out. So now what's most likely to happen
is that you, and this happened already once before, and

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it seems like it'll happen again. Ukraine will accept the
deal and Russia won't, and then Trump is going to
be back in the position of having to decide again
whether to send long range missiles to Ukraine. Well, actually
to sell them to Europe and have Europe deliver them
to Ukraine's probably how it would play out, and it
seems like that's the most likely direction, But of course

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in war things are complicated and one shouldn't make any
kind of prediction with high confidence. To me, that's just
the most likely thing, But who knows the other thing
that's very interesting. We learned yesterday that Steve Witkoff had
a conversation with a top Russian negotiator in which he
advised the Russians to flatter Donald Trump and to say, yeah,

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you deserve a Nobel Peace Prize and that kind of
stuff in order to get Donald Trump to go along.
And to me, that's just an absolute betrayal of what
Steve Whitcoff should be doing, unless he thinks his only
goal is to sell out Ukraine, if that's what it
takes to get Donald Trump a Nobel Peace Prize, and
so in any case, at this point, there's a.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Lot of moving parts.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
You've got this Secretary of the Army, Dan Driscoll, who
seems to be very popular within the Trump administration. Right now,
he's out there doing a bunch of shuttle diplomacy.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
I don't yet know how much I trust him.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
He's very close to jd Vance, which makes me very
skeptical of him because jd Vance seems rather pro Russia
and anti Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
But we'll see.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
The good news here, I think is that so many
Republicans in the Senate and elsewhere are really keeping an
eye on this. If a deal comes around that isn't
good enough, I think you're going to see the Senate
and probably the House as well, impose very tough sanctions
on Russia, and that might guide that might limit Donald

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Trump's freedom to hurt Ukraine. It's unclear to me that
Donald Trump actually wants to hurt Ukraine. I'm not sure
that he does, but the first deal that he tried
to press on them sure did look that way. Anyway,
a lot is moving very quickly, and the Ukrainians and
Russians don't celebrate Thanksgiving, so it's possible that this stuff
will keep moving quickly over the next several several days,

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and we might have more significant news by the next
time Gina and I come to talk to you. Happy
Wednesday day before Thanksgiving. Please do text us at five
six six nine zero and tell us something that you
are thankful for as we head into the Thanksgiving holiday.
Gina just shared a little bit of news with you

(08:57):
about the planned parenthood shooter dying. Gosh by ten years,
so I feel like ten years already. It's kind of
kind of crazy, But Gina, it does seem like a
lot of people, including police officers, who were involved with
that whole situation, are looking back on it.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, Kaways Connor Shreve had an opportunity to speak with
former Colorado Springs police officer Jake Skiffstad. He actually responded
to that tragedy a decade ago, despite being off duty.
They had this conversation following the news that the suspect
also died in prison days before the anniversary of the tragedy.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
One of the things that I do like to talk
about was, you know, even before I got on scene,
I'll tell you just the level of bravery and heroism
I got to listen to on that police radio by
those patrol officers, those first officers on scene. I'll tell
you they might not have been the ones to get
to put the handcuffs on, but they absolutely saved lives

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that day. They were truly going up against the threat
they knew they had no protection against. But they were
truly putting their lives the line. And he was now
focused on law enforcement instead of going through planned parenthood
killing all those innocent civilians that were hiding in those rooms.
And that was one of the first things. I just
remember driving there as fast as I could, you know,

(10:14):
to try and relieve these guys. I was just it
was unbelievable to listen to those guys and girls putting
their lives on the line.

Speaker 7 (10:20):
How did what you dealt with that day influence what
you're doing now?

Speaker 5 (10:26):
So I was already starting Shield six one six, but
what it did that day was it really just drove
home a very heavy sense of urgency for for Shield
six one six. Our mission is twofold. One we want
to better protect our protectors by getting them, you know,
rifle rated armor. But two we also have a faith component.
We also have a gospel message and and it just

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drove home a set of urgency of the need of
both of those.

Speaker 7 (10:50):
What's your reaction to the news that he died today?
I mean, he didn't die today, but the news came out.
So what's your reaction to it?

Speaker 5 (10:56):
Well, it was definitely you know, it definitely wasn't something
I was obviously expecting, you know. And but you know,
this week, you've been thinking about the ten year anniversary.
I just you know, I've just been thinking about my
goodness here in just a couple of days. You know,
ten years ago, I was going to live my most
terrifying day of my life. And and you can't help
but think, you know, it's been ten years. You know,
where is this going to go? When will this be closed?

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And and obviously you know when he passed away, you
know it's closed.

Speaker 7 (11:23):
Do you think processing it is maybe one of those
things that often flies under the radar.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
You know, oftentimes I think we process it ourselves and
that's it. So I think it's still important that for
everybody to understand you'll probably never be done processing it.
And that's okay. You know this is you know what time,
you know, our memory and maybe the sharpness of the
pain will will Dullan. But you know, this is something

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that we're never going to forget. You know, this has
you know, changed so many people's lives and and you know,
just to you know, it's okay. Whatever you're feeling today
is okay. You know, it's normal. And and you know,
I can't imagine the range of emotions, and it's going
to be different for each officer. You know, each officer
was in different positions. You know, some were seriously wounded,

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you know, others were in there and truly, you know,
for me, there was a moment where I truly thought
that I was going to be the next guy shot.
Then you got guys that were maybe just outside, never
felt a threat. There's something that we all have to process.
But we all just need to rally around each other
and just remember we were all out there together doing
this for the same purpose enough to protect our community.

Speaker 7 (12:30):
The other thing I think I remember from your talk
was that when you had him basically barricaded surrounded, you
weren't sure if he was going to go out in
a blaze of glory or just give himself up the
way he.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Did and he did.

Speaker 7 (12:44):
It feel like a coin flip to you or do
I remember it right that he actually you saw on
the security camera that he was actually flipping a coin.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
So from what I was told, he did flip a coin,
and I do believe it was a trooper that was
watching him on video surveillance watching can do that. Obviously,
we didn't know that until long after. Even the trooper
didn't even know what he did in that motion. But
I believe it came out in the in an interview
that he had done that. But when he was giving up,

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we did not think he was giving up. We were
very concerned that he was just trying to get closer
to us or you know, we were expecting this to
be and you know, in a deadly manner.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
That's Kaway's Connor Shreeve, speaking with former Colorado Springs police
officer Jake Stiff, said, that's following the news that's shooter
in the planned parenthood shooting died just days before, ten
years up. Following that tragedy and Ross. Honestly, when we
saw this pop up on our partners at Fox thirty
one yesterday, Chad and I wondered if it was incorrect

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because we were literally just talking about the competency laws.
We thought they're lower third on the TV was just
mixing up two stories.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
When we heard.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
About Robert Dear dying in custody, we weren't sure of
just that it was very uh ironic, I guess the
fact that we were literally just talking about it and
the fallen officer's widow was pushing for new competency laws
and just a big change, and then we got this news.
No word on if it was just natural causes, obviously,
but like from what we know, he passed away over

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the weekend, and it's I'll be curious to see what
she does next. You know, she wanted to make sure
obviously he didn't get released from prison, doesn't mean she
doesn't want Now she's going to back.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Away from her competency law push right now.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
And this is an ongoing issue in Colorado that we're
not going to you know, get into in detail right
here and right now. But because of a poorly drafted
law in Colorado, we have a situation now where if
somebody is found incompetent to stand trial, generally in almost
every situation, a judge just has to let them go,

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even for a fairly violent crime. I mean, maybe not
for first degree murder, but maybe even there, and so
this really really does need to be fixed because because
mentally ill Dane Durius, people are.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Being put out on the street.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
And it's not because of you know, you might want
to blame an activist.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Judge or a liberal judge or something. It's not that.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
It's not that, it's that we have a very very
badly written law that ties their hands. We have so
much more to do on this pre Thanksgiving show. I'm
so glad you're spending a little time with us this morning.
Text us at five six six nine zero. Tell us
something you're thankful for? Keep it here on KOA and
what a great album that is? Hi, I'm ross And

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there's Gina in a pumpkin pie colored sweater.

Speaker 5 (15:32):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
I think it's more yellow than pumpkin. All right, it
might it might be, it might be. I think it
was subconscious on your part.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
And we're asking you, what are you thankful for today?
And as I've said, don't give me a boring answer,
like you're thankful for your family. Tell me something else
really interesting. Tell us something interesting at five six six
nine zero. A couple of excellent examples from listener texts.
I'm thankful that the Broncos don't suck this year. I'm

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thankful to poop out of my poop hole because I
previously had a colostomy bag.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
That is a very very personal kind of.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Text, but I imagine you are, in fact, ex Gina, you know,
almost just spit out her water.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Oh my gosh. I don't know if I've ever heard
Gina laugh that hard. She's still going.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
And another one, I'm thankful for the elk I shot yesterday.
So I texted back to that person bull or cow
and uh and where and where did you get it?

Speaker 8 (16:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (16:34):
I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
I'm thankful for my sobriety. Yes, very good. So you
get the idea text us at five six six nine zero.
Thanks to all the folks who have who have said
you're thankful to KOA and to us here on your
little morning show.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Oh here's one. I'm the happy thanksgiving to all of
the KOA team.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
I'm listening to you live from d C. All right,
get out of there safely. All right, let's do this
other thing for just five minutes. Gina, I'm gonna drag
you into this one. If you have time, you do
you have time to do something?

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Sure?

Speaker 5 (17:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (17:07):
All right, and you're done spitting out your water after that? Guys,
what you think I wasn't make sure we're ready.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
For that one. Yeah, so you should be very much thankful. Yeah, exactly.
All right, So you sent me this thing.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
From news Nation, TikTok and Instagram cause real brain rot
study finds. And I was thinking about this because you
sent it to me maybe the day after we were
talking about bore out right, because I had said, I
wonder if if you know, some of this online stuff
is destroying attention spans, but give give us a sense

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of what this of what this story is about.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
It's fascinating because I feel like brain rot is a
newer term. I think it was literally Oxford Dictionary's word
of the Year last year, talking a little bit about
just like the deterioration that we see from people that
just have an over consumption of material. It doesn't even
have to be just online, but it really thinks of
the TikTok brain constantly scrolling and just you know, just

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not really challenging the mind nowadays, which led to the
poor out that we're.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Seeing as well.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
But now they actually have the American Psychological Association analyzed
over like ninety eight thousand participations, huge study. Yeah, and
over across like over seventy studies looking at it and
discovered that the short form content that a person watches
like TikTok, like Instagram reels, like those little thirty second
snippets here and there, actually is leading to poor cognitive

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performance when it comes to the attention and skills that
can help people stay focused. So they're saying that they've
discovered that really what it's happening is truly brain rot.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
The whole idea of your brain is.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
No longer able to perform at its best because it's
just doesn't have the attention span and the skills that
it normally does when.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
You open a book or when you just study for
a test or things like that.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
It's just the actual idea of true brain rot in
a sense of nowadays your brain just can't really grasp
longer content and you just continue to have.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
That short form of just constant scrolling. I don't know,
I think it's not that.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
I think we know that there's something intentionally very addictive
about this form, right, and and people think of TikTok's algorithm,
how it figures out what.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
You want to watch and keeps serving them up.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
To you as one of the most valuable pieces of
intellectual property on the planet is just the algorithm figuring
out how to addict people.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
And then I didn't talk about it on the show,
but I saw.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
A story maybe three weeks ago in the New York
Times where they did this big study about TikTok itself
and how as people start watching it, they get more
and more addictive, and they'll they'll get, you know, twenty
seconds into a thirty second video or less seven seconds
into a thirty second video and realize, Ah, this one's
not for me, and then you click and go to
the next one, and Shannon, You're not in You're not

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in your head.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Shannon watches TikTok videos all the time. TikTok. I don't
do it at all. I do have an account.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
The only time I ever see a TikTok video is
if I'm looking for maybe some short thing to put
in the in the show blog. But I do wonder,
especially with my with my younger kid, like I'll see
him sit there and watch a TikTok video.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
And then another and another.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
You know, he he'll pick up his phone first thing
in the morning, and watch TikTok videos and and you know,
of course it's bad parenting on my part that he's
sort of able to do that. But at some point
I just don't want to bang my head against the
wall anymore. And he's getting good grades now, but still
it's like there's got to be some brain damage there.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
It's a great point about the algorithm too, because like,
this study really only focuses on short term content.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
That's all it says, just the.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Poor cognitive performance when it comes to watching short term content.
I don't know if it also studies the fact that
the algorithm is so good at giving you the content
that you want right that you watch it even longer.
But it would be interesting if you asked your son
one day, when you see him scrolling, to then recall
what he just watched. Hey, give me like ten tiktoks
that you just saw, because that's the scariest part is

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when you're just mind numbingly scrolling and then you close
your phone and you go, I don't remember a single
thing I just looked at nothing, right, there's literally nothing
that comes to mind.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
After watching that. You might have been like, how that
one was funny?

Speaker 3 (21:21):
But then if you don't share it, if you don't
save it, you literally don't remember it.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
See, And this is my problem. My brain is just
like that. But I can't blame it on TikTok, because
there wasn't TikTok when I was growing up.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
But you know, I have a squirrel brain, and I'll be.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Thinking about something, listening to something, watching something, or sometimes
this even happens when we're talking with a guest, and
I'll think, all right, Gina's asking the guest a question.
I want to ask the guests this, and then forty
seven seconds later, when it's my turn to ask a question,
I've forgotten.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
What I want to ask. So often I'll have a
pen and i'll write it down. But I don't know. Why.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Do you think maybe that's the fast pace of like
working this, like the stock market? Like do you think
just constantly going and being able to adapt and move
and change from here there, that you're not remembering what
you did like a couple of minutes.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
That could be.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
That could be because trading was like the only thing
I had a great memory for. I would remember a
trade I made a month earlier, two months, I would
remember trades other people made that I thought were interesting trades,
but I don't know. Day to day, boy, my attention
span is it's like to have TikTok brain without the TikTok.
But I think the bottom line here again, the headline

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TikTok and Instagram caused real brain rod And you know,
most adults aren't doing too much of this. But tell you,
if you've got your kids, you know, I think good
parenting involves trying to keep them from doing too much
of that and keep them away from their phones over Thanksgiving.
All right, we still have a ton of stuff to
do on the show coming up. We got a couple
quick words. We got Gina with the news, we got weather,

(22:49):
we got traffic.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Keep it here on KOA. I'm ross, Gina's over there, Shannon's.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Behind the glass, and I was gonna do some newsy stuff,
but it's a day before holiday and I don't feel
like it.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
And we're gonna do. We're gonna have more.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
News and guests and stuff throughout the course of the show.
But I wanted to just spend a couple of minutes
on listener texts because there's so much fun. I've asked
you to text us at five six six nine zero
and tell us something you're grateful for, but make it
something interesting and unusual. Here's one, Ross, I was driving

(23:23):
my sixty three, so I guess it's sixty you know,
nineteen sixty three something when my when my steering wheel
came loose. I'm grateful that I was turning into the
King Soopers parking lot and not merging onto sixth Avenue
like i'd be. That's a scary thing. That's that's a
scary thing. Let's see what else Ross, I noticed? Hold on,

(23:46):
where did this go? I noticed that Gina starts work
at five and Ross at six. That Gina has to
do four hours and Ross only does three. I hope
that Gina gets paid thirty three point three percent more
than Ross, to which I responded, I hope he does too,
although I do a lot of work at home, but
I hope I hope Gina does too.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, Gina, do you want to add anything to that
or no? I think that's accurate.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, I'm thankful for my ar fifteen Me too. I'm
thankful that I can take thirty minute hot showers if
I so choose, And I said to that, I'm thankful
for that as well. But I would do twenty nine
or thirty one because those are because those are prime numbers.
There's there's, yeah, a lot of a lot of really

(24:31):
good ones. I'm thankful for good bourbon. I asked this
person what his favorite was. He said, Buffalo Trace.

Speaker 9 (24:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Oh so Gina.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
The dude who said he hopes that you get paid
a third more than I do, I said, I said,
I hope so too, But I do spend a lot
of time on show prep. And this person texted back saying,
getting a manny petty in your eyebrows done doesn't count
as prep.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, so I like this listener.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, me to creating Me too, Me too, So keep
those texts coming. Tell us at five six six nine zero,
what's something that you are thankful for? And don't make
it a boring, predictable thing. Make it some kind of
wacky thing. Oh one other thing. This is not a not.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Are you not?

Speaker 1 (25:18):
What are you thankful for? But well, actually it is.
Actually this is from Warren in Elbert County and tying
it into the news. He said he's thankful that the
planned parenthood shooter is no longer a waste of perfectly
good oxygen. And I wouldn't mention that, you know, normally
except what Except the rest of Warren's text, He said,

(25:40):
I was there that day as a first responder, and
I asked Warren what service. Warren said, Colorado Springs Police Department,
thirty one years. He said, Now they're paying me to
stay away, which sounds like maybe an.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Even better gig.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
But I just wanted to say thank you to Warren
and to all the first responders who were there that day,
and actually all their first responders who.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Are anywhere on any day. Keep it here on Koway.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Happy Wednesday that feels like Friday, day before Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Keep texting us at five six six.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Nine zero and tell us things that you are thankful
for today. Now you may think with this next topic,
the next topic is mental health and especially men's mental health,
that well, why are you talking about this on a
happy day like Thanksgiving?

Speaker 2 (26:26):
And I'll tell you exactly why.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
I don't think of, you know, a conversation about mental
health challenges that kind of things as a downer. What
I think of is how great it is that in
recent years it's become okay for people who are struggling
with mental health or who have friends or family members
who are struggling with mental health to recognize it and
get help, joining us to talk about It's Steve Carlton.

(26:51):
Steve is an addiction and mental health counselor with Porchlite
Health and a private practice counselor as well.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Steve well them to Kayoway, it's good to have you here.

Speaker 10 (27:02):
Yeah, great to be with you.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Ross.

Speaker 10 (27:03):
I love how you fraind that up. This is a
thinking about this as an opportunity to talk about mental
health and make it more okay for people.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
So we just have five or six minutes, so I
just want to I want to jump right in and
one of the things I want to ask you about.
You know, it used to be and maybe still in
some corners it is, but much less it used to
be that that saying, you know, I think I'm struggling
or I am struggling, or or speaking out or getting
help was perceived as some kind of flaw or weakness.

(27:34):
And I would I would like to ask you a
two part question. How has that changed? And why is
it important that it's changed?

Speaker 5 (27:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (27:43):
I think it has changed because people are coming to
accept that their mental health is just another aspect of their.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Health, right, And so.

Speaker 10 (27:52):
It's really been a significant change that people are willing
to speak out and say I'm struggling with depression, I'm
struggling with substance use. I've had this significant event and
I don't quite know what to do with it. And
so that has been a really important shift.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
You know.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
As we're heading into the holidays, these are this is
a time where I think it's really happy for a
lot of folks, for most folks, but I think for
people who are dealing with with depression and perhaps some
other mental health struggles, and especially if there are folks
you may tend to be a little bit lonely on
the holidays, like maybe they don't have somewhere to go,
this can be a time that for some folks is

(28:34):
actually the worst time.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Of year.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Certainly.

Speaker 10 (28:39):
You know, I think the holiday is just on a
good day. They're just a change in your routine. And
anytime people get out of their normal routines, they become
more susceptible to stress and anxiety, right, Or there's comfort
and going through our daily grinds, right, And so when
we're traveling and sitting in traffic, waiting in the line

(29:00):
at the airport, spending more time with family that maybe
you don't see as much, Like these are just an
actual times when people have become more stressed and so
out there just understanding that that's normal. It's a happy
time and it's also a time when you're.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Out of the regular.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
So let's talk a little bit now about you know,
solutions and what to do right. And I think what
I'd just like to focus on here, especially this holiday
time where people may be more likely to be, you know,
hanging out with family or maybe close friends than in
the past. What's your advice, Steve on how a person

(29:36):
might talk with another person who they think that that
other person may be struggling and you know, would like
to try to help him or her get some help.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
How do you talk to someone like that?

Speaker 10 (29:48):
You know, I think the thing that's most important to
think about if you're worried about somebody, if there's genuine
concern there, starting with the more severe, it's really important
pick your spot when you approach him with that, right,
don't hit him.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Hit him with that.

Speaker 10 (30:04):
When you're sitting at dinner with twelve other people, right,
be mindful about sort of set and setting right, Like, hey,
can I go to coffee? And like Hey, I'm worried
about you. I've noticed a few changes. I've noticed you're
more isolated. I've noticed you more irritable. Like I'm here
to help, right, what can I do to help support
you through this time? So picking your spot and having

(30:27):
a clear message and offering support like those three things.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
We're talking with Steve Carlton from porch Light Health their
website porchlight health dot com. He's also a professor at
EDDU and their Graduate School of Social Work. So a
little bit more into the weeds on this, And I
realize every situation, especially in your line of work, is
very very specific and it's difficult to generalize. But sticking

(30:54):
with this thing we were just talking about, if there's
someone you're close to you think is struggling and you
want to talk with with them about it, generally, would
there be a way that might be slightly more effective
talking to a man and another way that may be
slightly more effective talking to a woman Or is the
approach really the same?

Speaker 10 (31:15):
No, it actually there's pretty significant differences, just starting with posture. First,
You're more likely to engage with men if you're facing
the same direction. So say you're in the car driving
somewhere like facing the same direction, kind of that goal
oriented we're go both moving.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
In the same direction.

Speaker 10 (31:37):
That tends to help make it a little bit more safe.
And women tend to prefer squared up conversations where you're
looking at each other directly in the eyes. The other
real difference with men versus women is men tend to
be a little bit more action oriented, a little bit
more problem solving, right, so diving into that side of it,

(31:58):
whereas women tend to be more comfortable being vulnerable processing emotions, right.
And so when you're thinking about men versus women, it's
it's important to pay attention to kind of your your
posture when you're communicating, and sort of what you're tending
to focus on.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
You know.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
It's it's very interesting that first thing you bring up,
because just a few days ago on the show, we
were talking not so much in a mental health thing,
but just in a socializing thing, the difference between men
and women, and how like, if two guys go to
a bar to hang out, you know, they'll likely sit
at the bar next to each other, and if two
women go to a bar to hang out, they're more

(32:36):
likely to sit at a table facing each other.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yep, kind of amazing.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
I had never thought about that, and now it comes
up like twice in a week, and in any case.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Steve Carlton, Addiction and Mental.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Health counselor with Portralite Healthy As private practice counselor as well,
thanks so much for your time and the great insights
and have a wonderful thanksgiving my pleasures.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Thanks Russ all right.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Gosh, I thought that was absolutely that was absolutely fascinating.
So folks, keep your text coming please at five six
six nine zero. I would love to know something you're
thankful for and make.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
It a little bit wacky and a little bit goofy.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Like I said before, don't tell me something boring like
you're thankful for your family. That doesn't make you special.
We're all thankful for that. Tell us something, tell us
something wacky that we want to share on the air,
and we will share it on the air. We got
a couple quick words, we got Gina on the news,
we've got traffic, we've got weather. Keep it here on

(33:34):
KOA just a few minutes of a news newsy thing
with you here.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
And then we're gonna have some Broncos talk football talk.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
In the next segment, which I'm really looking forward to
because Thanksgiving football is awesome.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
So I just want a little bit of newsy stuff
with you.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
And I haven't talked about this on the show over
the past week or so, and it turns out it's
kind of good that I haven't because it.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Keeps changing so much.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Right, So, you know, earlier I was talking about how
the You Russia peace.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Plan seems to be changing daily. The other thing that
seems to be.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Changing daily is what we think that President Trump might
announce regarding some kind of healthcare health insurance Obamacare plan.
So about a week ago, there was a headline at
Axios and the headline was chances for ACA subsidy extension

(34:26):
mostly dead. So you will recall that during the government shutdown,
the main thing that Democrats said they wanted was first
a permanent extension and then a non permanent extension of
additional subsidies beyond the normal Obamacare subsidies, but some temporary
subsidies that were put in by Democrats while Joe Biden

(34:48):
was presidents. The Democrats made them temporary, but they wanted
to make them untemporary. So the Republicans seemed like they
were not going to go along. Then a few days later,
maybe four or five days ago, we got new headlines
like these, Trump to push new Republican plan on ACA
subsidies and another headline, President Trump set to propose healthcare

(35:09):
plan to fix Obamacare subsidies. Now, during the shutdown, what
I said on the show was I think that one
of the very, very first Republicans to cave in and say, yeah, let's.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Extend the subsidies.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
I said, I think one of the very first will
be Donald Trump, because he's not a fiscal conservative, right,
and so he was.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Going to go along with that, it seems like.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
But then Republicans started pushing back hard. And now the
latest headline from yesterday is Trump planned for Obamacare subsidies
on hold after GOP pushback. And I think this is
good news for a variety of reasons that I won't
get into in great detail now, but just a couple
of very small points. If Republicans start endorsing Democrat public policy,

(36:00):
that is very good for the Democrats when it comes
to the next election, because the public will say, well,
as long as we're going to be doing this democratic stuff,
let's just elect the Democrats.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
So that's one reason that it's bad.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
The other reason that it's bad is that is that
increasing these subsidies masks the real problem of what's driving
up healthcare costs so much, and that's the problem that
needs to be dealt with. All Right, we're gonna take
a couple of quick words. We're gonna have Gina Weather traffic,
and we're gonna come back with Ryan Edwards from KOA
Sports and give us well, we'll have some great conversation

(36:34):
about this Sunday night's Broncos game.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Gena's over there in her pumpkin pie colored sweater. It's
not it's yellow. Shannon behind the glass and we are.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
We're joined by Ryan Edwards, co host of KOA Sports
and Broncos react as well. And did someone say CSU
grad Is that right?

Speaker 4 (36:56):
That's correct?

Speaker 8 (36:58):
Right?

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Curious about the new high coach? Your thoughts with that?

Speaker 4 (37:02):
Yeah, I like to hire it a little better than
I thought to it yet, to be honest, and this again,
maybe I'm just set up for disappointment all the time
as a CSU fan. But uh, yeah, you know, Jim
Moore is a good I mean, he's a good coach,
has both experiences in the NFL as well as college
really good at u c l A. He's had a
couple of nine win seasons there at Yukon. So yeah,

(37:26):
like I said, the resume is pretty impressive. I mean,
he's a he's an aim like and that's I think
that's more than anything. I just you know, for CSU,
it's kind of like, I don't know where they're gonna
go there. Rumors were kind of flying all over the place,
and you sort of thought it was gonna be some
of an up and coming coordinator, somebody that is just
trying to cut their teeth and use this as a

(37:46):
stepping stone for a bigger job later. Instead, you got
a guy that's a bonafide coach. He's a guy that's
that's been doing this a long time and he's gonna
bring a certain standard to the program. I'm pretty excited
about it.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
It is interesting to see these folks who must have
grown up with football since the time they were zero.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Right, you got Maura son of Moura, and you got
Shanahan son of Shanahan, And.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
You've got uh what, Wade Phillips on a bum Phillips
And I know there's a there's what's the other big
big name right now? That I'm that I'm missing. Uh
there's another one though, anyway, you know, it does it
does say something they they must have grown up watching
their dads do and just kind of soaking it in
their whole lives.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Right, Well, it doesn't always work. Nathaniel Hackett, there's another
example of one that, uh, yeah, quite Hackett if you will.
But but yeah, you know, most of the time you've
spent around being pat Server's another guy. I mean, there's
there's guys. You know a lot of these guys that
are just around around the game their entire life. And yeah,
most of the time when they get that opportunity to

(38:48):
be a head coach, you know, they they tend to
be pretty successful. I said that there are a few
misses in there, but even those guys that you know
sometimes are coordinators or that they're around the game. So
but I said, when I saw that last night, I
was kind of like, huh, I'm not really into that,
because I more or less expected it would be somebody
that was just going to use this as a jumping
off point for a bigger job later.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
What do you what are you thinking?

Speaker 1 (39:11):
As we head into the Sunday night game against the
team that I used to know as the Washington Redskins.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
Well, you know, I mean, he's like the Broncos chances
in that game, especially, it sounds like Jadon Daniels is
not going to play, so it's gonna be Marcus Murriotta
a quarterbacking Washington, and that's that's definitely an advantage I
think for the Broncos. He's still got a lot of
mobility left at this point, but he's definitely not He's
not one of the premier quarterbacks. He's pretty high end backup.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
And but the problem for them is.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Even if you say, okay, offensively, they'll be able to
do maybe a few things, even if it's against this defense.
But their defense is in a really bad way, bottom tier,
bottom third, if not worse than the elite. It crossed
almost every statistical category. They're really banged up there. There's underperforming.

(40:03):
So this this hopefully is an opportunity for the Broncos
offense to to really do some things. You know, of
course we said that before we had the Raiders game,
the Jets game, those are examples of the games where
they struggled. So I don't want to bank on anything,
but coming out of the bye week, I'd like to
see the offense kind of get on track.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Ryan, Sunday feels so far off when we think of
all the hustle and bustle of Thanksgiving holiday and the
Thanksgiving games that.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
We'll be seeing as well.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
What should Broncos fans maybe keep an eye on leading
up to our Sunday game, Maybe some wins or losses
that we want to see from some of those other games.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Well, I mean, of course, you're paying attention to the Patriots,
who are right now ahead of the Broncos and standings
at the one seed, so that you know that's that's
going to be I think, I think any games right
and around there. Of course, we're all paying attention tomorrow
to the Chiefs, even though they're the ten seed. Right now,
everybody seems to be pretty worried about what will happen

(40:58):
if they can find their way in to the playoff mix.
And once again, you know, mathematically it's going to be
a challenge for them not only even just to get
to make the playoffs, but even win the division. But
because of the Chiefs, and we've seen this, it's kind
of like you know Freddy Krueger movie. You know, you
just like they keep coming back, so I think you
just you're you're constantly get.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Kind of one eye on them Chargers.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Coming out there by. That's another team that obviously is
in division. They're they're kind of nipping on the heels
of the Broncos. And then of course the Colts as well.
They're they're playing a division game over the weekends against Houston,
which is a really big game really for both those teams.
So you know, you just kind of, you know, score,
we're watching a little bit. The Broncos control their own
destiny in a lot of ways, though, because I think
if they win the out they will be the one

(41:42):
seed based on tie breakers, so on and so forth.
But the fact is that that's something that you know,
you can't really expect them to do necessarily, So in
the meantime, we're all going to be paying attention to
those games.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
I was looking ryan at some some betting lines over
on ESPN, the betting lines to win the Super Bowl,
and the leading team right now is the Rams.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
They've passed the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Somewhat surprisingly, the Kansas City Chiefs are still in third place,
which I find kind of fascinating. But anyway, the Broncos
are at thirteen to one to win the Super Bowl,
which is actually really strong odds. You got lots of
other teams that are fifty one, five hundred to one,
one thousand to one. How are is this a little

(42:25):
too optimistic to think of the Broncos. I don't want
to go crazy and say winning the super Bowl, but like,
how deep into the playoffs do you think this team
can go?

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Well?

Speaker 4 (42:37):
Honestly, I think that the one seed would would give
us an indication of that, because, I mean, the road
to the super Bowl goes through Denver, and this is
a team that is on eleven game home winning streak.
They're undefeated this year, and so if they're going to
be that good at home, yeah, you can be very optimistic. Now, again,
that's the one seed. If there's a two seeds, you

(42:57):
still feel pretty good about it. But what if the
seventh seed, say Kansas City or Buffalo, you know, or
the Baltimore Ravens somehow, I mean, that's golly, you know,
those are some really tough teams. Of course, you like
the fact that the Broncos would be hosting, but the
road to the super Bowl now ultimately goes through whoever's
the one seed in that point, I would imagine it
would be New England, so you have to go to Foxborough.

(43:19):
So I'd say right now, if you can somehow find
a way to theyy not win out, but do a
you know, close strong get to thirteen fourteen wins, then
you're really positioned well because you're going to have the
one seed, which means you're gonna have a buy a
lot of these teams that are kind of vying for
and getting into the wild cards, they're going to be

(43:39):
knocked out, and then you're going to have an opportunity
to host two games before you go to.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
The super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
So I think that the optimism can be there if
you're in position to get that seed.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
We got about one minute left, Ryan, and I want
to ask you about injuries.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
You talked about.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
The Washington Commanders. Still hard for me to call them that,
being very very banged up on defense. By the way,
I say that because I grew up out there. They
were my hometown team for many years, and so is
Alex Singleton. Let's just focus on defense. Is Alex Singleton
likely to play? Is Patzertan likely to play?

Speaker 4 (44:12):
I think both are likely to play. We'll see that
the practices were ultimately warrants this week, but Alex Singleton
did an interview yesterday Good Morning America and he intimated
that he expects the practice this week, and yeah, there's
optimism last week that they could have potentially gone. It's
of course that there was a game, but part of
the reason they didn't put Paster Tan on ir is

(44:33):
because they were eyeing and return right after the bye week,
and so there's been optimism building for both of those players.
They might have need Atkins back, They're hoping to maybe
have Jonah Ellis back, So you know, good news if
I came in a good time. They had a couple
of guys that were kind of on the fence about
whether they'd be available that extra week really to pay off.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Bryan Edwards, his host of KOA Sports and Broncos React
right here on KOWA the Broncos versus Commanders. It's a
Sunday night game with a six twenty p m kick
PM kickoff. Kwa's coverage begins at nine a m. Ryan,
thanks for your time as.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Always, anytime.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
I sure hope, uh, I sure hope they kick them butt.
I think they will. You better watch it, really better
listen to it.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah, I definitely better listen to it and tell me
and Gina what you are thankful for today.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yep, that's what we want to know.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
What are you thankful for as we head into Thanksgiving
and send us.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Some some wacky stuff.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
I did have a listener text in to say I'm
thankful for my uh male body part and uh and
and I said, and I texted.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
All right, Channon, salutes you for that.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
And I texted back to to this guy and and
I said, uh, I'm I'm glad you're thankful for that.
But the real question is is anybody else thankful for it?

Speaker 2 (45:53):
So? Oh boy, I'm just uh, I don't know what
I'm doing to Gena today.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
With some of this stuff that we're some of this
stuff that we're doing. All right, let me let me
do something.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Slightly more serious.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
So I'm I'm on x formerly Twitter far more than
what is healthy, and it's not well. I will say
there is an addictive, uh, an addictive aspect to Twitter,
not nearly to the degree of TikTok and stuff like that.
But I'm I'm on this a lot, really for my
job and if I didn't have to be on social media.

(46:35):
For my job, I probably wouldn't be you know, I
won't swear to that, but I'm on it a fair.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Bit because because of all that.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Anyway, if you're on Twitter, Twitter has become even more
political since Elon Musk took it over than it was before.
It was already fairly political, but now it's very political.
And it's also it's also very siloed. And they have
as they have an algorithm that like TikTok is trying
to feed you posts that they think.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
You want to read. It's actually very strange.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Because a lot of the stuff they're serving up to
me is kind of an anti Semitic, anti Israeli, uh,
you know, like Tucker Carlson and Candice Owens and some
of these new kind of American Nazis and and they're
and they're enablers, right, these are just sort of bad people.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
But anyway, separate from those famous people.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
One of the things you have, and it's probably true
on the left too, but I'm sort of more tied
into conservative Twitter.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
And what you.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Find is there are lots and lots of accounts out
there that like there's one that has the name American
and the icon is a kind of a stylized bald eagle.
And there's a bunch of other accounts out there, like
a fan Trump Army. There's another one called Evanka News.

(47:54):
You know about about Ivanka Trump. There's there's lots of
accounts like this that at least in the stuff that
I'm seeing primarily is spreading a lot of you know,
cheering essentially for President Trump, saying all kinds of maga stuff,

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you know, lots of hashtags like hashtag maga, hashtag Patriots
and this kind of thing. So anyway, the reason I
share this with you is that x Elon Musk's platform
rolled out this new feature where if you click on
an account name and then you'll get this little menu

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of things you can do.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Do you want to block them? Do you want to
mute them? Do you want whatever?

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Right at the top, now it says about this account,
and what it shows you in about this account is
where the account is based, or at least where they
believe the account is based. You can kind of try
to manipulate it with a VPN, or you could set
it up while you're traveling or something, but you know
where the account is based. And then also if somebody

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is accessing the account from a place different than where
the system thinks the account is based. They will add
that and say, right, the account is from the US,
but last access from Canada, just.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
As an example.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
But anyway, what they're finding is with lots and lots
of pro Trump accounts, and I don't know if it's
also true of anti Trump accounts.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
It might be. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
The media likes talking about the pro Trump side, so
I don't know that you know whether there's a mirror
image of this. But what they're finding is that lots
and lots of these accounts, right, like Trump Army, are
not American accounts. The one called Trump Army is based
in India. The one called Ivanka News is based in Nigeria.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Uh, there's another one and this.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Is actually an anti Trump account that has fifty two
thousand followers, and it's an account where the whoever owns
this thing claims to be a proud Democrat and a
professional MAGA hunter. And this count has since been deleted,
but it was from Kenya and what's very intant. So

(50:18):
I wanted to mention this to you for two reasons. First,
keep an eye on it, because if you see someone
posting all kinds of stuff that you think is a
little wacky or strangely pro Trump or strangely anti Trump,
or strangely pro MAGA or pro JD Vance or anti
MAGA or anti Jdvans or.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Some policy position on X.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Go look it up and see if that account is
from the United States of America, and if it's not,
block them. Block them, because there's no upside to you
other than a little psychological dopamine or whatever for engaging
in all this confirmation bias. Right, if you love Trump,
do you really need to see one more account that

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also loves him? If that account is from Nigeria or
even you know, more importantly, if it's from Russia or
the you know, Eastern.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Europe, block that account. There are two reasons these accounts exist.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
One is foreign governments and foreigners trying to manipulate American
politics and American elections. And the other is more simple,
and it's probably the bigger issue. They just want to
make money, and so they know they can get lots
of followers by being aggressively tro pro Trump or aggressively
anti Trump.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
That gets you clicks and.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Followers these days, and once you get enough followers, and
enough people having clicked on your posts, then you can
make money by pretending to be something that you're not.
Don't follow them, don't let them follow you block them.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
By the way, many of them have the blue check marks.
Remember these days.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
The blue check mark does not mean very much at all.
All it really means is that they're paying some money
to Elon Musk.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
So please be careful.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I wanted you to be aware of that when we
come back the Death Clock, Hey, what am I gonna die?

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Uh So?

Speaker 1 (52:11):
And you know you might think, well, why are we
talking about something like that on a happy day, like
we're heading into Thanksgiving?

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Well, because the.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Death clock app actually has a really positive purpose. And
we are joined right now by Brent Franson, who is
the creator of the very successful death Clock app.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
And it uses AI.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Well why don't you tell us what exactly does it
use AI to do?

Speaker 2 (52:36):
And how.

Speaker 6 (52:39):
Yeah, so you it uses AI to to make two predictions,
one the day you're going to die based on your
current health, and then two how much longer you can
live if you proactively manage your health. And it's very straightforward.
You you know, you download the app. It's on iOS
and Android, you answer twenty nine questions and then it

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makes those two predictions, and then you either go get
a simple blood test or you can upload some blood
results that you have and it updates that prediction and
produces a longevity report, which is basically just a personalized
report to help you live longer.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
So I used to be in financial markets and we
would sometimes come up with an investment strategy and then
you would do something called back testing, and you would
kind of run your program using historical data and see
how would it have done if it had been around then.
So I'm kind of curious, how is your back testing
with the death clock? Like how many people did you

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get within a week of when they actually died?

Speaker 6 (53:41):
Yeah, so we did something very similar. You take public
figures where you know a lot about their lifestyle, about
their family history, about their genetics, who have died, and
you test the algorithm against them. So we've done that.
We also incorporated CDC Life Expectancy Data actuarial tables. It's
a very sophisticated calculation that uses everything that we already

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do today. Life insurance companies do this today, and then
it adds this layer of AI that's trained on about
twelve hundred longevity studies.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Well, I was kind of being sarcastic.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
I didn't think you had actually back tested death as
a data nerd. I'm extremely proud of you for having
done that. My colleague Gina has a question for you. Yeah,
I'm curious.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
I saw this article and it's literally titled I use
the viral Death Clock AI app to.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Predict when I die. Now I want to prove it wrong.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
So tell us a little bit more about this, because we,
like Ross mentioned, it seems very doomrie, but it sounds
like a lot of people are using this at a
motivation to hopefully change their habits.

Speaker 6 (54:46):
Yeah, so the goal here is not to scare you,
but it's to be honest about the reality of life
and death. We are all going to die, but seventy
five percent of longevity is in our own hands. It's
to deed by the decisions that way that we make
each day. And so our goal is to grab people
by the shoulder and shake them and say life is beautiful.

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You are going to die, it's just a question of when,
and we want.

Speaker 9 (55:13):
To try to help people live longer.

Speaker 6 (55:15):
So really, what the app is at its core, it's
a it's an ai private doctor. Man, it's not an
actual doctor, but it's but it's meant to be a
companion to help you manage your preventative health so you
don't get disease and you live longer.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
We're talking with Brent Fransen, the creator of the death
clock app. I've got one more for you, and I
think Gina has another for you as well. So I'm
just going to switch gears a little bit from you know, death, life,
longevity and all that, because I'm a business guy and
an investor and I've done some you know, angel investing
in tech and so on. And the death clock app
is free. So what's your revenue model.

Speaker 6 (55:54):
Well, it's it is it's free to get your death date,
but you have to pay to use it. And so
what it is is it's an annual subscription. It includes
a blood test and so it's a it's all of
the markers that you would want to know about your
cardiovascular health, your metabolic health, and then it's just a
companion to try to help you help you live longer.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
So after that, after you get your death date, is
it then giving you some information about here's how you
can change that, here's you know the changes that you
should do to your.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Exercise eating habits.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Is it actually almost like a little coach that can
help you live longer?

Speaker 6 (56:31):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's it's more than that. It's very sophisticated.
So you can plug in any data you have. So
if you have blood work data, genetic data, and then
the AI is going to use all of that to
produce a very comprehensive longevity report. It's going to recommend supplements, medications,
cancer screenings, things to talk to your doctor about. You
can integrate your wearable data and then as you make

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those changes, your life expectancy updates. So you can think
about it as a as a AI health concierge. It's
in your pocket, just twenty four to seven, working to
help you be healthier and live longer.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Listeners are asking and I actually see some of these
things noted on the Apple app Store page. Privacy, right,
so people want to know. People are very curious about
what happens, especially with their medical data.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
So how do you how do you handle that? How
do you handle privacy?

Speaker 6 (57:26):
Yeah, we don't ever sell or share any data. We
invest heavily in security and so yeah, I don't want
I don't want my data shared, so we wouldn't do
that for anybody else, So we don't. We don't do
any of that, and that's listed in our terms.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
What's your Are you a medical guy? Are you a
tech guy? Like, what's your background that brought you to this.

Speaker 9 (57:49):
I'm a tech guy.

Speaker 6 (57:49):
I've spent my whole career in Silicon Valley venture backed
technology companies, primarily data businesses that are that are working
with large data sets. But we all also have a
clinical board that's chaired by an oncologist at Stanford. It's
primarily made up of docs from Stanford. So we've got
a clinical board that's guiding everything we're doing since I'm

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not a doctor.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Yeah, I mean, death Clock is. The app's very successful.
It's not like, you know, some little thing that nobody's
heard of it. I don't know where the data is
as to how many downloads you have so far, but
you probably know the number.

Speaker 6 (58:26):
Oh yeah, we're in the millions of downloads. We've got
users all over the world. The app has been number
one in Health and Fitness and a dozen different countries
around the world. So you know, death is truly it's
something that matters to everybody.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
All right, last question for you, Brent, tell us a
little bit about your own personal use of your app
and how and how much have you changed your own
death date in the app.

Speaker 9 (58:52):
Well, I'll tell you.

Speaker 6 (58:53):
I mean, so, death Clock recommended for me because I
have high cholesterol something called a CCTA scan, which looks
at plaque in your heart. I said, okay, I went
and got the scan and it identified an anomalist artery
in my heart, something I wasn't aware that I had,
which puts me at high risk for sudden death while exercising.

Speaker 9 (59:15):
I went through a whole process.

Speaker 6 (59:16):
At Cleveland Clinic and I had a cath had a
wire stuck through my heart, and it turns out I
don't need an open heart surgery I thought I would.
That was all because of something that my Deathclock AI recommended.
A really crazy process I went through and I just
learned I won't need that open heart surgery.

Speaker 9 (59:32):
So it's been really powerful for me in my own life.
And I got a wire put through my heart because
of it.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Wow. Brett Fransen is creator of the death Clock app.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Super interesting app and highly successful, as.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
We were just talking about.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
You can get it on the App Store and the
Android store and all that. Congratulations on your success. It's
a super interesting project.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
And I hope you. I hope you do.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Well and help a lot of pe and I hope
you make a lot of money because I invest in
these things from time to time too, and I'm a capitalist.
So thanks so much for being here, and thanks for
doing what you've done.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
It's really cool.

Speaker 9 (01:00:10):
Yeah, thanks Ross, I hope, I hope we can't help people.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Yeah, it seems like you are. Thank you so much.
All right, that's pretty cool. The death Clock app by
the way, Gina, you said earlier you said great band name,
and a listener texted in saying, does does.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Gina listen to death Clock? So I guess death Clock?

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
But d E t h k l o K was
a virtual band in uh an adult swim program. But
then somebody else created a band to do the virtual
bands music. So there is a band called death Clock,
but it's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
One word d E t h K l o K.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
All right, Yeah, maybe producer Shannon can find some for us.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:00:54):
I don't, Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
All right, it's my list.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Yeah, add it to your list for sure, and tell
us something you are thankful for.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
But before I get to some of these listener texts, I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Would just like to tell you I'm very proud of
myself for something that happened just a few moments ago.
And we've got producer Shannon with us this week because
producer Dragon is on vacation this week.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
And producer Shannon.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Gives more puns than anybody I've ever met in my life. Right,
every third thing out of his mouth is a pun,
and they're.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Actually usually pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
And so a listener sent me an email with a
username on Instagram where she posts her art and in
one and her last name ends with an E N
and in her art, one of the images was a
scuba diver, and so I emailed back to her saying,

(01:01:53):
I like the scuba diver, which reminds me, are you finish?

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
And Shan, did I need to explain the pun to you?
Or did you get it as soon as I said it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Did you? Instantly? Brilliant? Instantly brilliant?

Speaker 9 (01:02:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Now you got to play the thing because you your voice. No,
come on, That's half of the fun for me when
I get you to speak on the air, Producer Shannon, is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
That you have to play the thing. Well, you don't
have the thing ready when you drag me into the show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
You should always have it ready. It's the best part
of having you here is that. Can you find it?
Oh my gosh?

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
All right, Gina?

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Was there no reported cause of death for the Planned
Parenthood shooter listener text?

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
No, it was not.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Okay, Uh, I think Gina would like it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
The music, but it's kind of gory.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
There's a character called doctor Rock, so that's the cobeing
rock clown.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
He's my favorite. This is this is death? Wait is
death Clock? Yeah? I guess Shannon, did you find it?
You're not even gonna try to find it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
I bet Chad knows what those listeners talking about with
death Clock?

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Yeah, because are we have you metal like? That's yeah?
Or I think it was even like death metal.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
It doesn't exactly seem like your thing, But you know
you're up for anything, right when it comes to music.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Is any music you won't listen to? Not a huge
country fan? Okay, that's about it? Jazz? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Oh yeah, all right, all right. I don't know if
Chad Bower is still out there. If he is, he.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Can come come tell us what's uh what's going on?
You know, I want to mention a Broncos thing actually
for a second. And I haven't talked about this much
on the on the show, but we did ask Ryan
Ryan Edwards when he was on a little bit ago
or an hour ago now about whether Alex Singleton is
going to play and I just think this is such
a wonderful story actually and also an interesting story. So

(01:03:46):
Alex Single Singleton has been out for two three weeks,
I guess, after having surgery for testicular cancer, and it
appears from all everything we know so far that it
was confind to that location that hadn't spread through his
body and he should be fine.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
And what was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Really interesting to me though, so he went on Good
Morning America and he talked about it, and he talked
about the anxiety that he felt during the process. And
I'm actually looking at the Denver Broncos' own website right
now at Denver Broncos dot com, he said. In that interview,
he said, I learned more just in this past week
of compassion and empathy through a bunch of tough dudes

(01:04:28):
than anything else I've ever gone through. And I really
like that as well, especially as we're going into Thanksgiving now.
But the other thing that I wanted to mention that
I thought was rather interesting was how he got diagnosed.
And I think I understand this correctly, And if somebody
thinks I have it wrong, please text me and tell

(01:04:50):
me and I will correct myself on the air. But
I think I understand the story. So this is what
I think happened. As an NFL player, you will occasionally
get assigned a random drug test to make sure that
you're not using any performance enhancing substances. Singleton did such

(01:05:13):
a blood test and it came back positive for a
particular a particular thing that you're not allowed to take,
and it's called hCG and its lowercase H and then
uppercase C and G and it stands for human choreonic gonadotropin,

(01:05:35):
and you can use it to cause your body to
produce more testosterone, and that's a reason that it is banned.
His test came back positive for elevated levels of this thing,
but he knew he hadn't taken this thing, and as

(01:05:56):
part of trying to figure out whire is levels high,
they figured out you've got cancer.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
And how interesting is that?

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
So the cancer caused this is a thing that your
body can produce, and cancer can cause your body to
produce levels of it that your body's not supposed to have.
It's a protein essentially, and so it came back high
levels of hCG. He knew he hadn't taken this stuff,

(01:06:27):
and in any case, they did a little more digging,
a little more digging, and they found like, okay, you've
got this cancer.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
He went and got it treated, and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
We think he's gonna be absolutely fine, and he may
even play this Sunday. But I just think it's it's
a wonderful story in a bunch of ways, right how
they found it, the fact that he wasn't taking this thing,
but they they found this anyway, They found the cancer
early because of that. If he had been in a
different line of work where they weren't doing these these
tests for performance enhancing substances, there's a good chance it

(01:07:00):
might not have been found until it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Was much worse for him.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
And then as he talks about kind of the compassion
that he's getting from these you know, tough dudes who
he works with every day. It's just a story. I
absolutely love a story I wanted to share with you.
Let me just explain how how we got to this conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
So at the beginning of the show, I was talking
about some of the guests.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
We're going to have on, including a guy who invented
a very popular app called the Death Clock, and then
Gina said, what did you say, Gina?

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Great great band name? And then a listener texted in.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
To say, does Gina actually listen to death Clock? Although
spelled a little differently d E t h K l
O k all as one word? And then I went
to look it up and it turns out it's a thing.
And here at KOA, we have our resident music expert,
intrepid Chad Bauer. And in the last segment of the show,

(01:07:57):
Gena and I were bantering about.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
This a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Gina said, I bet Chad knows, because he knows everything
about music. And so as I was walking out through
the newsroom, I asked Chad, like, ever you're of death Clock,
and then he just he just is like you pull
the string and let him go. I'm like, all right,
just stop, just stop. You just need to come in
and do this and do this on the air, and
just yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Had death Clock.

Speaker 8 (01:08:22):
There's part of an animated show called Metal Acalypse an
Adult Swim.

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
It ran.

Speaker 8 (01:08:28):
They had four seasons, but it went. It took like
eight or nine years for him to actually do all
the seasons. And it started off and the music on
the show, you know, it was death metal music on
the show, and then eventually they released an album and
you know with regular because the guy that does it
is a musician, Brendan Small. He's a vocalist and guitarist.

(01:08:49):
He wrote all the music and did all that on
the show. And then eventually they released an album called
Death Album, then Death Album two, three, and four, and
then put together a real band and went on and
they've toured, actually toured as recently as last.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Year, and I guess they've toured where it's like musicians
actually performing the songs, but obviously they weren't the musicians
that created the show.

Speaker 8 (01:09:14):
Well, the main guy is, yeah, Brendon Small's he's the
guy that wrote everything, okay, yeah, and he's part of
the live band along with some other people. And the
one thing that made the show interesting was actual heavy
metal musicians were guests on the show a lot and
provided you know, you know, voices. You may not even
known that they were on, but.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Like David Saint Hubbins.

Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
I don't know if he was on, but there was.

Speaker 8 (01:09:39):
Yeah, there was a lot of famous heavy metal musicians
that you know, guys from Metallica and other bands like that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
I just want to say that, Uh, Chad did not
need to look up the guy's name, the Death Clock guy.
You just knew when I walk by you. You just
said his name. I've interviewed him, I actually saw him.
I've seen Clock live. You're kidding, no, I think not.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Only do you call Chad a music expert, he's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
A metal expert, really right.

Speaker 8 (01:10:10):
Yeah, and you'll enjoy the name of the fictional band.
Their their band name on the show. The musician's names.
The lead singer is Nathan Explosion. The other band members
are William murder Face, Squistgar Squigolf, Pickles Pickles, and Toky

(01:10:31):
war Tooth.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Oh unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Also, Chad, we were talking about the Welcome to Rockville
lineup that's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Coming to Daytona, uh in May.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Apparently they're on it because they shared it on their
Instagram page this year.

Speaker 8 (01:10:45):
So yeah, wow, so maybe we can expect a new
Death album.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
Don't you just.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Love how random conversations show up and then and then
you know, Gene is like, oh good band name, and
then Dad's like, I've seen them live.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
What a small world. Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
In trepid Chad Bauer, our resident heavy metal expert, Oh
my gosh, I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
I just I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
I want to just do a couple of minutes on
a story that Gina found that I think is interesting culturally.
It's not an American story, but it ties in perfectly
to an American version of the same story, and it is.
Here's the headline, Germans are going off beer that's forcing
brewers to adapt or go bust. And it's originally a

(01:11:35):
New York Times story, but let me just share a
little bit with you from the beginning of the story.
Founded over six hundred years ago in central Germany, the
Einbecker Brewery has survived fires, famines, two major plagues, and
four catastrophic wars, kept alive by constant demand.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
For its robust, box style laggers. Now it faces what
may be its greatest threat.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Germans are drinking a lot less beer. And they with
the guy named Mark Kerger, who's president at brewery. He
said in recent years it was always like forty six
to forty eight percent of Germans who said yes, I
drink beer, and last year it was forty one percent,
an enormous drop.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
They say.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Alcohol consumption in Germany has been sliding for decades, but
the sudden accelerating drop has caught brewers and bar owners
by surprise. Out of about fifteen hundred breweries in Germany,
more than fifty have closed just in the past year.
And this guy who runs this big, famous brewery says
every week he gets at least one call offering to

(01:12:37):
sell him a brewery. And Gina, were you ever or
are you or were you ever much of a beer drinker?

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
I'm not a huge like beer is definitely not my
go to but I love going to the Great American
Beer Festival every year.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
I like trying new things.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
I'm always willing to try something if people say, well,
if you like I usually like sighters and wines and
things like that sours, So if people are like, oh,
try this beer, I'll try it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
But I just thought this was so fascinating, this archticle,
because we've been talking about it in the US for
quite some time now.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
And then as soon as I saw this, and I
think the part that was most striking to me when
I looked at it was they said.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
For the first time this year, every tent.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
At Octoberfest in Munich offered non alcoholic beer.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
As an option. And that was even at the Great
American Beer Festival.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
You see more and more non alcoholic options and just
ways that they're trying to still cater to people that
maybe don't drink as much alcohol, but here try an
na beer. It's just really fascinating to see just the
overall change, even in.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Germany for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
And Gallup had a poll earlier this year, and this
wasn't specifically about beer, butohol overall alcohol.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
The percentage of.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
US adults who say they consume alcohol and that would
be any amount of alcohol, like one drink a year
you would say yes right to the question has fallen
to fifty four percent, and that is the lowest, although
only by one percentage point, but still the lowest since
Gallup started asking this question ninety years ago. And I
will say on the non alcoholic beer, saying that's what

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my wife likes, is the non alcoholic beer. And it
used to be that there were, you know, three choices,
and they were all bad right, Like, I don't know
if you ever had non alcoholic wine, it's terrible, or
at least it has been. I don't know if it's
better now. But man, you go to to not so
much the supermarket but more liquor stores, and you got
all these choices of non alcoholic beer. I mean, there's

(01:14:28):
a non alcoholic Guinness and they're all and oh my,
my favorite beer in the world is called las choof.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
La cchou f f E.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
It's a Belgian beer with a little sort of garden
gnome looking dude on it, hm and they have a
non alcoholic version.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
It's very expensive.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
It's three or four dollars a bottle for a small
you know, for it, but it's it's everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
I think the funniest thing that we saw was not
beer but Seltzer's. When Seltzer's became a big thing, alcoholic
Seltzer's we started with selcer.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Water that everybody drinks.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Then we created white Claus, and now they created non
alcoholic white Claus.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Are we celicius That's just the same thing. And it's
literally like when I try to like Lacroix or Lacroix
or whatever we call it, but.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
You're now paying fifteen dollars for a twelve pack.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Well, that's brilliant marketing. Like like, what is it death?
What is it? The water?

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
Death?

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
With good death? Which is water? Yes, well I didn't
know what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
I see people drinking and I thought it was some
kind of beer or something. It's water, liquid death. That
is the best marketing ever. A couple of minutes left
with you on this day before Thanksgiving. So, Gene, I've
waited till the very end to ask you what are
you thankful for?

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Well, I'm not going to give you a lot of you,
especially not the back. Oh my goodness, there are some
there are some great texts coming in, but I think
I'm going to summarize it as I'm thankful to be
a regular at my yoga studio because I've always had
a big thing with being a regular. It means that
you have had the finances to be a regular somewhere,

(01:16:07):
and you have been somewhere long enough, haven't done a
lot of moves, a bunch of different places where I
can walk in and they go, hey, Gina, how's it
going this morning? That's what I really love, And I
know people are regular at restaurants, coffee shops, you name it.
This is the first time that I truly feel like
I've been in a regular at a business before. And
it means that I'm doing pretty well with making sure
I get into a habit of going to yoga each day.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
So you're the yoga version of norm from Cheers.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
I've never seen cheers oof ooops.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
All right, we're gonna have to talk about that. Talk
about that year. My wife loves doing yoga. What kind
of yoga do you do? Do you have more than wine?

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
What do you do to remember when you asked me
that asked me this last time, I said hot yoga,
and then I forgot to say that hot yoga means
the temperature. It's actually in a hot yoga studio. But
they're doing vinyasa classes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Oh that makes sense. Yeah, okay, yeah, what about you, Ross?
What do you think before?

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
I'm thankful that, in addition to making some turkey tomorrow,
my wife is also making leg of lamb, so I
don't have to have turkey. I'm quite thankful for that.
And if I can break my own rule and tell
you a slightly more serious answer, I'm I'm really thankful
that my older kid just flew home yesterday from from Seattle.

(01:17:24):
My kid moved out to you know, sort of start.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Adulting almost a few months ago.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
And it turns out that Kristin and I miss him
more than we thought we would, and he misses us
more than he thought he would.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
And so we got.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Him at DIA last night, or Kristin went and got
him at a last night. So I'm grateful that we're
going to have a Thanksgiving meal with the whole family altogether.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Very cute.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Cute, Yeah, not extreme like all the other ones. You rule,
because now my mom's gonna text me and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Say what about me? So, yes, I'm thankful for my family.
Make sure I add that in there. Are you seeing family?
Are you going somewhere?

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
I'm sticking around.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
But Christmas, that's the first time I'm actually going to
be traveling and home for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
So that's going to be exciting. I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
Crazy, I'm a little worried to be traveling around Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Well, we'll see, folks, have a wonderful Thanksgiving. Geena and
I are off obviously tomorrow, the year off Friday as well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Right, Wow, are you not?

Speaker 9 (01:18:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
No, no, I'm off.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Oh okay, yeah, so we'll talk with you on Monday.
Have a wonderful holiday and long weekend. The one and
Only Michael Brown up next on KOA