12-10-25 - *FULL SHOW* Are Drug-Boat Strikes Legal; Tariff Troubles; Trump Pardon

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Feeling very energetic this morning, producer Dragon, did you see you?

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yeah, what's on your T shirt?

Speaker 3 (00:04):
It's a dragon?

Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's a dragon? Have I it's very reflective in here today.
Have you Have I seen that particular dragon before? Is
that a newist shirt? New old one that I found
in the back of the closet.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That's the best kind of new shirt? Yeah, the old
ones in the back.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Wait, I've got that one still.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
All right, I tend to notice your clothing and I
thought I hadn't seen that one before. All right, No,
don't say anything. And Hi, Gina, Hi, good morning. Gina
is standing as she always is, at least for the
first part of the show. And I know we just
talked about this like literally three minutes ago. But what

(00:42):
are we doing at twelve oh one today that people
need to know about.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
We're going to Crown Burger. We're not buying your lunch,
you're not buying our lunch. We're just hanging out for lunch.
And yeah, this all started, I believe we were talking
National Burger Day, by the way, yes, and we asked
for the best burger joint in our area, and a
lot of people said Crownberg and there's a vegetarian option
for me.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
So we're gonna hang out there. Come join us. I'll
be there. Actually, we keep saying noon. I'm hoping. Well,
we also have a meeting with our boss, so we
might all be late. I don't know, uh huh.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
But anyways, I'll be there before noon because at noon
is on time, which is late to me.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
There at twelve oh one. Because you like prime numbers.

Speaker 5 (01:19):
We did have a texture text in a day or
so ago saying that eleven fifty three is also a
prime number.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Indeed, I'll be there at eleven fifty three.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah, I might be there at eleven fifty three too.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
And for those folks who have not looked through the
window here, so you don't know what we look like, Gina,
I both have brown hair.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Are you wearing?

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Are you wearing what you're wearing?

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:43):
To Loch, shut up.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
You know I have no Koa gear. I was thinking
about that.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
I don't know if they still have those Koa women's
shirts that I accidentally wore one out. If not, I
might be able to find the one I gave to
my wife because she never wore it.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
And give it to you.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
But Gina's got a black sweater on and I've got
a gray polo shirt that says KOA on it. And
Dragon won't be there, but hopefully the next time and.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
Producer Shanno will be there and he'll probably be wearing
his Crownburger hat.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, pretty fabulous.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Actually, I want to just do one quick follow up
on something Gina talked about in the news, and that
is the markets not much direction in recent days, a
fair bit of volatility, but pretty range bound, like the
Dow has been, you know, around or just below forty
eight thousand most of the time for a couple of weeks,
as the markets try to figure out what's going on
in the world, what's going on in the economy, and

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as Gina noted, sort of on pause a little bit
for the last couple of days waiting for the Fed's decision.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Today whether to cut interest rates or not.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
I believe they will cut I've been saying that the
whole time, even when the markets started saying they won't.
I still think they will. We'll see what happens. But
here's what I just want to encourage you to keep
an eye on a lot of people who don't follow
markets very closely believe that when the FED cuts rates,
it makes long term rates go down, and mortgage rates

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must necessarily go down when the Fed cuts rates, and
that mortgage rates can go down when the Fed cuts rates,
but they don't have to because the long end of
the curve, right the ten year note, the thirty year bond.
These rates are determined by investors who want to lock

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in some kind of yield in excess of what they
think inflation is going to be. Right, because if you
buy something that's going to pay you three percent but
inflation a year, but inflation over that period is four
percent a year, then you actually end up poorer. Let
me just explain this for a second, because I think
it's really important and interesting. So and I'm going to

(03:52):
just give you the simplest possible example. Imagine there's a
thing today that costs one hundred dollars and you're trying
to decide whether to buy it or not. And you
can buy it or you can put money into let's
say a government note at three percent. They're higher than
that now, but they were, you know, while backed, So
I'm just making up numbers. So you could put the

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you could buy the thing, or you could put the
money in the government note at three percent, and you
decide to put the government the money in the in
this note or like a bond it is this different
word at three percent.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
So in a year, you have one hundred and three dollars.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Now, if over that time period the price of that
one hundred dollars thing went to one hundred and two dollars,
then you can buy that thing and have a dollar
left over, and you were a winner because inflation was
less or at least for that item, was less than
what you earned on that investment. But if that thing
goes to one hundred and four dollars, now you're actually

(04:51):
a dollar poorer because if you want to buy that thing,
you have to take all the money that you got
your original hundred.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
You're three dollars in interest.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
And that's even putting aside the fact that you might
have tax on that interest.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Let's leave that.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Then you still have to come up with another dollar
to buy that thing, and so you've gotten poorer. So
these long dated notes are determined in the market like that.
So what can happen, and I'm not saying it will.
What can happen is that if the market thinks that

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the Fed is cutting short term rates too aggressively, the
market might think, Oh, we wonder if the FED is
going to let inflation get a little bit out of
control again, and we're not willing to loan money for
ten years at five percent. We need six and a
half percent. Whatever the number might be. Well, that's more
of a mortgage number. That's not a ten year note number.

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The ten year note numbers are are lower than that,
around four point two percent. And so it can happen
that the Fed can cut rates and actually the long
rates that mortgage is based on don't go down or
even go up. And actually, earlier this year, on the
first or second FED rate cut in this cycle, that's
exactly what happened. Mortgage rates went up even though the

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FED cut. So we'll just keep an eye on that. Anyway,
I just wanted to thought it might be interesting to
kind of talk about the difference between short rates and
long rates and that Money and Markets commentary brought to
you by Blue Hair in Capital.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Let me do another money thing.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I just saw this this morning, and all right, so
let me just back up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
I'm in touch.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
With this company that it's an investment company, and from
time to time, they have the opportunity to invest in
very interesting companies, and recently I was presented with the
opportunity to invest in SpaceX. Now, this was not very
early on in SpaceX where you would have been buying
it cheap, all right. This was less than a year ago,

(06:51):
I think, and the valuation of SpaceX in this round
was already something like two hundred and eighty billion dollars. Right,
It's not like I would have been buying into SpaceX
at you know, a few hundred million dollars or some
small number like that. And I did not buy into it, okay,
for two main reasons. One, the minimum investment was very high.

(07:11):
It was much more than I was comfortable with. I
probably could have made it work, but then it would
have meant I wouldn't have had any money for any
other investments if something else came along. The other reason
is I just I'm looking at this and I'm thinking
two hundred and eighty billion that feels like a lot. Now,
I will say that one of the things that I
didn't get.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Into it very deeply in my mind, right.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
But one of the things that I didn't consider in
my so called mind at the time is that SpaceX
owns Starlink.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Right, Tesla doesn't own Starlink.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
SpaceX owns Starlink, which is Elon Musk's internet providing company.
So I did not buy in an evaluation of two
hundred and eighty billion dollars. We get news is either
this morning or last night. SpaceX is considering an IPI
that would potentially value the company at one and a

(08:04):
half trillion dollars, which would be like a four plus
times increase from that thing I didn't do about a
year ago. And part of the other reason I didn't
do it is when you get into these private investments
and you just don't know how long it'll be, if ever,
until you actually get your money out, Right, if a
company goes IPO, eventually you can get your money out. Anyway,

(08:24):
this is really interesting. They're talking about maybe around a
year from now to get this done. Obviously that can
change if the market goes bad whatever. But the thing
that I would note, you know, we talk it's called SpaceX,
and you think about the rockets and all that, and
you think about stuff they're going to do with They're
talking about data centers in space and stuff like that.

(08:46):
But actually, right now at least the vast majority of
the company's revenue, which is probably around fifteen billion dollars
this year and maybe twenty three billion next year. They're
guessing the majority of the revenue actually comes from Starlink,
not from the space stuff, which I think is really interesting. Anyway,

(09:06):
here's the other thing. Here's the other thing. If this
were to go public at evaluation of one point five
trillion dollars, musks particular ownership stake in the company would
be something on the order. I had that in here,

(09:28):
but it was like several hundred billion dollars. Several hundred
billion dollars Musk steak in this company. Boy, the rich
get richer. But I don't wanna undersell it. This guy,
for you know, whatever you may think of him in
this sphere or that sphere, the guy is an absolute magician.
And he does things that other people don't think about doing,

(09:50):
and and he gets it done, and he sleeps four
hours a day, and he's a.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Really weird dude. And I'd love to have him on
the show.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
And can you imagine just being that successful in that
many things. It's simply not an accident. It's Wednesday. I'm ross.
That's Gina over there on my right. You can wave
at her through the window, although she's looking away from
the windows so she won't see you. And producer Dragon,
we're all going to go to lunch today. You've heard that.
We'll tell you more again later. I want to do

(10:18):
just a couple the story that I saw Colorado story,
but it's also a national story at the same time.
I'll go to the Hill dot com, although many outlets
have this. On Monday, the Department of Justice's Civil Rights
Division announced that it has opened a civil investigation into
conditions within facilities operated by the Colorado Department of Corrections

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and the Colorado Department.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Of Youth Services.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
According to the DOJ, the investigation will examine policies and
practices to ensure that doc inmates and they wrote youths.
I wonder if you if it's youth or youths, but
they put youths in the custody of Youth Services are
being afforded their rights under the US Constitution and federal law.
So I'm gonna move here away from the article about

(11:09):
what they're doing, and just briefly to a letter that
is from the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice.
Addressed to Colorado Governor Jared Polus, with copies you know,
CC to Attorney General Phil Wiser, and then a bunch
of people involved in running the Department of Corrections and

(11:31):
the Department of Youth Services. And then there are also
copies to wardens of five different prisons here in Colorado,
or at least five different wardens who probably cover more
than five different prisons, including the guy who is warden
of the big correctional complex out in Bunavista. And this
letter is signed by Harmet Dillon, who is the Assistant

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Attorney General, and it says I'm writing to inform you
that the DOJ is commencing an investigation.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
I'm gonna skip ahead a little bit.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
We will determine whether Colorado engages in a pattern or
practice of violating the constitutional rights of prisoners held at
DOC facilities by failing to provide adequate medical care and
safe and sanitary physical conditions of confinement, and whether Colorado
violates the rights of detainees by failing to protect youth
in dys facilities from use of excessive force and failing

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to provide adequate.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Nutrition to detainees.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
The Department will also consider whether Colorado violates prisoners and
detainees' rights to free exercise of religion. That's an interesting
way to frame this next thing, the religion part by
housing biological males in units designed for females. Now again
that whole question about you know, in prisons or in

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locker rooms or anywhere else, the whole thing about the
trans and the you know, biological you know, a biological
male identifying as a woman, and do you let them
use the woman's restrm more put them in a woman's prison.
I mean, it's a very interesting question. I find it
fascinating that in this letter from the DOJ they are
going to talk about this as a question of free

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exercise of religion. And indeed it can be in some situations.
There's a lawsuit out in Virginia that I'll talk about
later in the show that really does seem kind of
like a religious issue.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
It's this kind of.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Thing but in a school locker room rather than in
a prison. But the fact that they're talking about this,
you know, a biological male and a woman's woman's section
of a prison, and they're only describing it as a
question of freedom of religion rather than some other thing
is pretty interesting, they say, or harmy. Dillon says, we
have not reached any conclusion about the subject matter of

(13:45):
the investigation. I think that's enough on that story. I
just wanted to make you aware of it. I do
think it's a rather interesting story. What else do I
want to do with you here? All right, let me
do this for just just two minutes.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
So Obamacare passed in whatever year.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
That was two thousand and eight or nine, something like that,
and Republicans have been wanting to overturn it ever since then,
and they would have had a pretty good chance early
on because it was very unpopular and it led to
a massive Republican midterm election victories in twenty ten, a
key party.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Stuff, that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
But Republicans are never really able to get their act together,
and the one time they got close, famously, they needed
one more Republican vote, and John McCain, because of his
personal hatred for Donald Trump, came into the Senate and
did the famous thumbs down and voted no, and so

(14:46):
it didn't get repealed.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Now, that might have.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Been a blessing in disguise, because I don't know that
the Republicans actually had a plan, and they've been pretty
bad at having a plan. Very few Republicans have even
talked about having a plan. Once Paul Ryan left, a
lot of these conversationtions went away. But now with the
expiration of these temporary always intent temporary made by Democrats

(15:08):
to be temporary subsidies for certain people on the Obamacare exchange,
sort of like the higher end of income for people
who can get subsidies. These were temporary, but now Dems
want to make them permanent. It's going to be a
political problem for Republicans because people get used to the
free stuff, and Democrats are going to say Republicans took away,

(15:29):
you know, the Republicans stopped stealing other people's money and
give it to us, and we want to continue to
be the recipients have stolen goods. That's really how we
should always think about this thing. So Republicans are trying
to figure out a way now to deal with this
issue because they don't want the political downfall of having insurance.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Premiums go up. By the way, insurance.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Premiums are going to go up a lot for these
people even if they get the subsidies, because most of
the increases not coming from the expiration of the subsidies,
and nobody's talking about that.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
But anyway, what's.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Going on now is rather Republicans in the House and
Senate have a bunch of different plans. And you got
one or two Republicans working on this plan and one
or two Republicans working on that plan, and they're talking
to Democrats about it. And there's something like five different
plans right now. So they went from none to five.
And I have no idea how it's going to play out,
but keep an eye on it because we will see

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votes on this stuff coming up soon as Republicans try
desperately to avoid the political pain that Democrats are going
to inflict on them, even though it's really being caused
by the fact that so many Americans are willing to
take other people's money. It's time to talk with my
good friend and former federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy. He's also

(16:40):
a contributing editor at Yes.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
I Got to mute myself, Thank you Dragon.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
He's also a contributing editor at National Review. And Andy's
been writing a fair bit with what I think is
the best analysis of these drug vote strikes. Two real issues, actually,
and they're quite separate issues. Are the strikes on the
rug boats as an overarching thing legal and then the
second strike, which was really the thing that's been in

(17:06):
the news so much lately, is that legal or potentially
illegal for a different reason than the first strikes might
be illegal. It remains to be seen whether this issue
is going to sort of fade away or not. But
in the meantime, a few of us actually care whether
the government follows the law. So Andy, it's good to

(17:27):
see you again, good to talk to you again.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Thanks for being here. My pleasure was great to see you.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Why don't you just sort of describe for us why
the question of the legality of the second strike may
be different from the question of legality of the first strikes,
Like if the first strikes are legal, which is a question,
the second one on this that has made the news

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might still be illegal.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
I think it.

Speaker 6 (18:00):
Comes down to whether you think the laws of war
apply to this what the administration calls a non international
conflict involving non state actors which they allege or who
they allege are connected to drug cartels that the President,

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in my mind dubiously has designated as terrorist organizations. So
there's a there's a lot of legal wrinkles here. But
I think if we decide RUSS that the laws of
war don't apply, then I don't think the second strike
is all that distinguishable from the first strike.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
If you decide that the laws of war do apply.

Speaker 6 (18:48):
And therefore that the cartel members are enemy combatants and
therefore legitimate targets, the first strike is justifiable, and the
second strike gets into I think a complicated area of

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US and international law regarding what constitutes someone being oars
to combat, which means that you're out of the fight,
if there's no doubt. Under the standards that apply internationally,
people who are shipwrecked are deemed to be oars to combat.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Whether that's true.

Speaker 6 (19:31):
Under US law is a little bit more tricky question.
I think ultimately the answer is probably yes, but it
may also just be a.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Question of fact.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
The Second Geneva Convention, which we are members of, talks
about being shipwrecked as being oars to combat. What ours
to combat means is that you're essentially that you're wounded, sick,
unable to fight, sometimes attempting to surrender, and those people

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have always been under international law, at least since the
Second World War era.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
There deemed to be illegitimate targets.

Speaker 6 (20:14):
Now, what I think the American commanders would say and
why I say this is a question of fact, and
this is very hard I think to understand in the
context of drug dealers, who I don't really think are
enemy combatants. But let's just imagine say it was al Qaeda.
The example I used with Rich Lowry on our podcast

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at National Review last week was if you remember, the
year before the USS coal was bombed, al Qaeda tried
to bomb the USS the Sullivans also in the Port
of Aiden and Yemen, and that strike failed because the
dinghy the crew and the explosives that they tried to

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get close to the Sullivans sank from the weight. Now,
imagine if we had had intelligence that that was going
to happen, and we decided to take a pre measure
and take that boat out before it could get to
our destroyer. I think you could imagine a situation where

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if you had an al Qaeda fighter, a jihatist who
had survived the strike and who was floating in the water,
had a chance to get back to the shore and
had been able to grab some of the explosives that
were intended to blow up our destroyer. You could say

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that that person was both shipwrecked but also in a
position to complete the mission and also a legitimate enemy
combatant target.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
So I think that's.

Speaker 6 (21:58):
Why it's a little bit difficult to just make a
categorical rule that any time people are shipwrecked, they are
necessarily yours to combat, and can't you fight and complete
their missions. I just think it's very hard to analogize
that kind of a hypothetical to this situation because the

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people we're talking about are drug dealers. They're not enemy
combatants to begin with. And the idea of like they're
still if they're floating on a piece of the hull
that hasn't sunk, and they might be able to get
their drugs to the shore, even though the shore is
miles and miles away and they're out there in the
middle of nowhere and there's no other boat that they're

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supposed to meet up with that's anywhere on site.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
The idea that they're not only enemy.

Speaker 6 (22:50):
Combatants, but they're unlawful enemy combatants, you know, such that
we ought to make the worst assumptions about them and
say that if they're able to claim their cocaine and
hang on on the hull of the ship for long
enough they might be able to complete their mission.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
That seems kind of crazy to me.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
So this is unfortunately a fairly short segment, Andy, and
I just have about thirty seconds left here, so just give.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Me a short answer to this.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
A lot of what seems to be happening here is
Republicans are saying Trump has designated these cartels as terrorists,
and we can do anything we want to to terrorists.
So my question for you is is that true that
if the president designates a group as terrorists, then the
military can do anything they want to to them.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
It's not true.

Speaker 6 (23:39):
The designation process is a statutory process. It only gives
the president authority to prosecute people who provide material support
to terrorism and to seize assets. And I think Ross
just quickly that the whole designation itself is dubious because
in federal law, narcotics trafficking is not terrorist activity. Terrorist

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activity has a very exacting definition under US law, and
we have a lot of law that defines narcotics trafficking.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Andy McCarthy is a former federal prosecutor contributing editor at
National Review. One of his recent pieces, the Terrorism Confusion,
in the Caribbean.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Thanks for the great insights as always, Andy.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Thank you. Ros Hey. Guys, absolutely the best, isn't he?

Speaker 1 (24:24):
All Right, we still have a ton of stuff to
do on today's show. We're going to take just a
quick pause here for news, weather and traffic and come
back with a conversation I think you'll find perfect for
the holiday season.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Yesterday on Colorado Gives Day, more than one hundred thousand
donors and more than forty six hundred nonprofits helped with
over fifty six million dollars. But it is the season
of giving, and there's plenty of ways to give, including
giving through Colorado Gives Day with the Salvation Army Inner
Mountain Division one of the many nonprofits that was on there.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
But also you'll see them at the stores.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
You'll see the angel trees, you'll see a lot of
other opportunities these this Christmas season to give and help
to the Salvation Army. Joining us on the KWAK Common
Spirit Health Hotline is Divisional Commander of the Salvation Army
Inner Mountain Division based here in Denver. It's Major Nurse
and Kiston. Major Kiston, thank you so much for your
time this morning.

Speaker 7 (25:16):
Oh Gina, it's a pleasure to be on your shows.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Obviously, this time of the year, we always see the
red kettles, we see the bells ringing, we hear them,
and it's like always just reminds us about this time
of the year. But maybe some people aren't aware of
just the history and the mission behind the Salvation Army.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Can you give us a little bit more about it?

Speaker 3 (25:36):
Oh? Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (25:37):
The Salvation Army has been around in Colorado for the
last one hundred and forty years and its mission and
its purpose is to serve those who live on the
margins of society. And we do so because we care
for our neighbors deeply, and we were compelled by the
love of Christ to support those who are doing your

(25:58):
tough and as you know, Gina, a lot of our
friends and families are doing a toughness year. How the
affordability price of groceries is really having a major impact
on so many people in our communities.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
The Red Kettle campaign, like you said, it dates back
all the way to eighteen ninety one, and it's something
that we always look at during this time of the year.
Why is that so important to our community? Just dropping
some change in a Red Kettle. Where does that go
from there?

Speaker 8 (26:29):
Well, every dollar, every dime you put in a Red
Kettle goes into that zip code. That area where you
are giving in is the area that it will help support.

Speaker 7 (26:40):
And you know there are literally thousands and thousands of
people that need our support. I mean at this time
of the year, at Christmas time, when people are supposed
to be cheery, supposed to have a smile on the base.
But we know the reality behind every mass there is
a story and some of those stories are quite white challenging,

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and so you know there are families that, without the
help of the Salvation Army won't have a hot meal
this Christmas. There are some families and this breaks my
hoalf of most there are children that will go with
our presence if the Salvation Army does not need to
ben and we, as our priority this year, want every
single child in every community to have a gift under

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the tree this Christmas time.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
And I know that's where the Angel Tree program really
comes into place. It puts in perspective and you can
really see and learn more about someone in your community
who is looking for a gift under the tree for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
What are ways that.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Listeners can help when it comes to the Angel Tree program.

Speaker 7 (27:41):
Oh listen, you can buy a gift for a child,
a specific child age range, boy or female. Sometimes some
of the kiopsle put down what they would like for Christmas,
and you can bring hope and cheer for a specific
child and a specific family, and a great way to

(28:01):
partner with the Salvation Army and see hope for a
young family. The other ways is you know, you can
make a donation. And there's so many people right now,
and we have a major Christmas community lunch and dinner
on December twenty first from four to six pm. And
what a great way to partner with the Salvation Army

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and see people really really come together as a community
and help one another. And there's a lot of lonely
people out there unfortunately that need someone to sit with
and be a listening here, So partner with us as
the Colorada Convention Center. December twenty first, we have a
major Christmas evening event. I'm literally seeing thousands of people

(28:45):
going to come for dinner with the Salvation Army. So
you and your family are welcome to coming to my table.
Gonna be a big table, but you're welcome to.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Come again the Hope served here Christmas Dinner two thousand
plus neighbors at the Convention Center four to six pm.
That's going to be Sunday, December twenty first Divisional Commander
of the Salvation Army Inner Mountain Division. It's Major Nurse
and Kiston. Major Kiston, thank you so much for your
time this morning. Thanks for sharing this message. Hopefully we
have some listeners out there who can give more during

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this holiday season. Make sure you drop some chain to
anything that you can in a red kettle, and that
Angel Tree program is really a special one that can
help people.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
In our community. We appreciate your time this morning.

Speaker 7 (29:25):
No no Paul listen. Merry Christmas to all your listeners
and to you and your family and God bless.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
A listener was asking, Hey, Ross, can you remind me
of the website that folks should go to if they
want to learn about the listener trip to Vienna, Prague
and Budapest next April. It's rosstrip dot com, r O
S S t r ip dot com. We only have
room for a few more couples on the trip, so
I sure hope you will consider joining me and my
wife and thirty Ish other KOA listeners.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
These trips are always so much fun.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
You know, culture and history and food and good beer
in Europe, and you make friends that you'll you know,
will continue to be your friends after the trip. And
here's a small bonus. I shouldn't even say this, but
I will. I usually save it till on the trip,
but folks who come on the trip with us get
an invitation to come join me and now Gina and
producer Dragon in studio after the trip, come hang out

(30:19):
and see what this is. Oh like, I know that's
a very small thing, but anyway, rosstrip dot com if
you want.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
To learn more.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Also want to remind you that we are doing this
year's a Heroes thank You right now, where you can
thank a veteran, an active duty member of the military,
or a first responder with twenty five hundred bucks and
you don't have to write that check yourself. Through February first,
submit your nominations, your nominee's name and they're deserving reason
to win twenty five hundred bucks at Koacolorado dot com

(30:49):
slash contests Koacolorado dot com slash Contests Again, it's called
a Heroes Thank You.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
We've done this every year for.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
A while, presented by Common Spirit Health and fix It
twenty five or seven.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
The other quick thing, quick note is come join me
in Gina for lunch today. We are going to Crown Burger.
Crown Burger is on the east side of Colorado Boulevard,
a little bit south, maybe half a mile south of
I twenty five. It's between islef and Evans on the
east side of Colorado. And we know they're gonna reserve
at least one table for us Gina. And I've done

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a few of these things in the past, and you
never know whether half a dozen people will show up
or a few dozen people will show up.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
So we'll just see.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
And if nobody shows up, it's that great TikTok video
of we planned this event and nobody came, and it
could just be us just sadly sitting there with burgers.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Well, you won't have a burger, you'll have what are
you gonna have? Okay, maybe I'll try the grilled cheese.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
But I'm skeptical because the grilled cheese is only a
buck fifty, so I assume that is just your basic
old grilled cheese. But somebody on the text line, whether
they're joking with me or not. So get the grilled
cheese at Crownburger.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Has anybody else had the grilled cheese at Crownburger? Please
text us at five six six nine zero and tell
Gina whether it's a really good grilled cheese. Now, if
they could dual grilled cheese and put a bunch of
your veggies on it, would.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
You go for that?

Speaker 9 (32:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah, all right, So come.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Join us today Crown Burger at we'll just call it
noon for simplicity's sake. I will attempt to arrive at
a prime number right around noon. Gina will attempt to
arrive at a non prime number around noon. And yeah,
we're gonna have a lot of fun together. Let me
just do a quick kind of local thing here. Yesterday

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this I mentioned to you that I was speaking at
an event. It was the Common Sense Institute event where
we talked about lots of different Common Sense Institute research
that's been done by lots of stuff by me, but
stuff by lots of other people as well. And one
of the things that just keeps coming up as an
issue over and over again in yesterday's conversations was the

(32:57):
cost of living in Colorado, and there are a bunch
of stories.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
I saw some stories over at.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Coloradopolitics dot com and I'm struggling here to get the
website to work properly for me.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
But in any case, here I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
See if I can get this going real quick and
force this thing to work. But here's the headline, once
a step Ahead, Colorado's economy cools burdened by rising costs
and fiscal regulations. This is by Pell mcgrimes from coloradopolitics
dot com. And there was another headline, and I'm gonna

(33:33):
again see if I can get.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
This one going.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Denver Metro Chamber of Commerce VP says it's getting harder
and more expensive to do business in Colorado. And I
think we're all living these things, and I don't want
to just you know, sit here complaining or being a
downer or something.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
I think we're all recognizing that.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
There are a lot of pressures with housing costs and
food costs and things like that.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
There are other pressures in Colorado.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Crime is still much worse than it should be, maybe
better than it was a year or two ago, but
still we're not doing that great in the state of Colorado.
And simply and certainly not like it used to be
when it comes to crime. And one of the things actually,
so one of the Common Sense Institute fellows is former
Denver Police Chief Paul Payson, and obviously the stuff he's

(34:19):
researching is related to crime. And he talked about things
that the state has done that the state legislature, which
means Democrats in the state legislature because they control everything,
have done was defelonize was a word Paul used. Defelonize
auto theft, defelonize most stuff around drugs, and it led

(34:41):
to massive increases in auto theft. When once they made
auto theft not a felony, we went to number one
in the country in auto theft, right. And what Paul
said that I thought was really interesting was this stuff
isn't an accident.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
They do all these things on purpose.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Now maybe they're not necessarily trying to create more crime,
but they don't think through what they're doing, and they
do these policies on purpose, and at least they're taking
that risk on purpose, and then we all suffer for it.
And the thing I just want to add briefly is
that I feel like we're we're doing the same things
with the economy. Now it's not as if the state

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legislature and the governor have control over printing money in
the FED and federal spending. But there are just so
many things going on in the state of Colorado with
massive new state and local not as much taxes because
those have to go to a vote to the people,
and they want to avoid that, but fees, And as

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I mentioned in this event yesterday, if we excluded higher
education and just leave that as a fee but paid
for everything else that we are calling fees out of
our income taxes, our income tax rate would have to
be six percent rather than the foreign a quarter percent
it is now. So whenever governm Polus waves around this
shiny object of look, your your income tax rate is

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going down, don't ever forget that they're raising your fees
at two or three or four or five times the
rate that they're cutting your taxes.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
And as Paul said in a different.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Context, none of it's by accident. And I sure hope
that the state legislature figures out that they need to
start doing some things differently, like that's what the Secretary
of State thinks he need needs to be doing.

Speaker 9 (36:26):
Now.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
For the record, the previous Secretary of State was the
one who changed from Times New Roman to to Calibri. Right,
And so this administration is all about undoing anything and
everything apparently that the other administration did. But it's kind
of funny to call a typeface DEI.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
It sounded like an onion article when I kin when
I first found it.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, I'm trying to think what a DEI typeface would be,
and I'll probably just you know, all I can probably
do is get in trouble by even.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Going down this road.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
But the only thing I can think of, and I'm
only half joking, would be like if you if you
picked a font that looked kind of like what taggers
normally used to do graffiti on buildings or trains or whatever.
But even that, it's like, that's artistic.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
I I, I don't know those wing d what is it?
Wing wingdings?

Speaker 9 (37:15):
Does that?

Speaker 2 (37:15):
It still exist?

Speaker 1 (37:16):
It does, But those aren't letters right there, they're just
soon I think there's symbols.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
How does that? Oh man, unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
That's a really good one.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
That's a really good one.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Gina, All right, let me let me just do this
thing for literally a minute. And the reason I wanted
to just force myself into a short time frame here
is Otherwise I'd be a little bit tempted to foam
at the mouth and go for too long. We learned
a couple of days ago, and I didn't get to
talk about it yesterday, but we learned a couple of
days ago that.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
President Trump is going to.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Give twelve billion dollars to farmers, which, by the way,
is the same amount he gave to farmers in twenty eighteen.
And actually, if you read some of the headlines from
twenty eight eighteen versus now, they're basically the same, right,
you could read one or the other and you wouldn't
know which time it's talking about.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
And it's this, and it's the same problem.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Right.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Trump starts a trade war with China.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
China stops buying American agricultural products, especially soybeans. Farmers start
losing a lot of money. Trump doesn't want to lose
the votes of the farmers, so he pays them with
other people's money. In this case, he's claiming that the
money is coming from tariffs. It's actually coming from an
internal USDA fund. If you want to claim that the
tariffs are what's funding the USDA fund, then you're really

(38:30):
just admitting that the tariffs are just another form of
tax being paid by Americans.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
But I look, I understand that the farmers are suffering here,
and I understand.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
That the farmers are suffering because of bad government policy.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
And one might then argue.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
That it's the government's responsibility to take care of the
farmers because the government is the one hosing the farmers.
But don't forget that when the government goes to help
out the farmers because they're losing money because a bad
government policy, they're helping them out by giving them twelve billion.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Dollars that the government does not have.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
They're borrowing the majority of what they spend, right, So
it's just they're giving farmers my children and your children
and your grandchildren's future incomes in order to buy the
loyalty of farm votes in Iowa and Kansas and Nebraska
and Oklahoma and even Maryland. They got soybeans in Maryland

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and stuff like that. And I just think this is
all really really terrible policy. And it's just, you know,
they they say history doesn't repeat, but it often rhymes.
In this case, it just feels like it's repeating. Here's
an interesting thing. It's sort of a Colorado politics thing.
Governor Jared Polis is an interesting character, and I remain

(39:43):
of the view, and this is probably gonna be a
little scary for some people, but I remain of the
view that if you are a person toward the political right, conservative, libertarian,
that kind of thing, I suspect that the next governor
of Colorado will make you long for the good old
days of Jared Polis. I really, I mean, if you

(40:06):
think about Phil Weiser and Michael Bennett, and our next
governor is very likely to be one of those two guys.
And I have no prediction as to which one of
them is going to win the Democratic primary. I mean,
I would have thought Bennett was in the lead. You know,
the chatter seems like the base is pretty pleased with
Phil Wiser, even though he doesn't have as much money

(40:27):
and as much name recognition.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
So I really don't know who it will be.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
But I think both of these guys are to the
left of Jared Poulis. Actually, I'm sure that Phil Wiser
is to the left of Jared Polis. And by the way,
Phil's my friend and I will have lunch and we
debate Supreme Court cases and stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Like that.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
He's an extremely smart guy, and he's a very nice guy.
He's just wrong about a lot and when it comes to,
you know, running a state economics stuff like that, this
is gonna sound like sarcasm.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
I promise you it's not.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Part of me hopes that it's not Phil, because I
think Phil is to the left of Bennett, and I'll
get to that in a second. Part of me hopes
that it is Phil in the because maybe I'll have
a chance then to be, you know, in contact with
the governor and give him some advice on economic issues,
although I have no idea if he would listen to me.
But in any case, the thing with Bennett is, I believe,

(41:28):
based on his voting record and his rhetoric, I believe
that he's to the left of Jared Polis. But I
don't really know, which is kind of an odd thing, right.
Michael Bennett has been in the Senate for quite a
while now, and I can't tell you that I really
know what he stands for and what he and what
he believes. You know, he's sort of liked many folks.
He sort of pitched himself as a moderate, but then

(41:51):
didn't end up voting like one. So I don't really
know what to believe. So we will see how it
all plays out anyway. Now, so Polis is very left
wing on some things and more libertarian on other things.
And there's a debate going on now within the Democrats

(42:12):
because governor here in Colorado, because Governor Polis has said
that he plans to opt this state into a program
being created under the Big Beautiful Bill that is a
kind of tax credit. And I think I understand this right.
It's actually a little bit complex, but the way I

(42:34):
understand this would work is the state has to opt in.
If a state opts in, then people who make donations
to an education scholarship fund in Colorado or anywhere but
would would get a tax deduction. If the state doesn't

(42:55):
opt in, then Colorado could potentially make a donation to
a scholarship fund for a different stating get the federal
tax deduction. And Jared Polus is saying, look, we need
to opt in because there's many millions of dollars of
federal money available to come.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
To our schools with.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
This, and it would be dumb to just leave all
that money on the table. Again, I think there's some
kind of federal money that anyway, But this Polus's argument,
we'd be leaving a massive amount of money on the table.
And it's not a vouch your system. It's a tax
credit for donating to scholarships. Now, people in the education establishment,

(43:38):
the usual suspects, are against this and they call it
a vout your scheme, but it's not. And you know,
for me, the fact that the people who are against
this kind of thing are always the people who are
against any kind of.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Competition in public education. They do not ever want competition.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
For a public school because obviously when there is competition
for a public school, some people will take their kids out.
I think competition makes everybody better most of the time,
and I think public schools should have to compete for
that business and for those tax dollars. I don't think
public schools have some kind of god given right or

(44:19):
constitution given right to basically own our children and own
the right to get whatever that education money is. And
if they don't do a good enough job to keep
the money to deserve the money, then they shouldn't get it.
The folks who always argue against these plans are folks
who are against this kind of competition. So in any case,

(44:39):
it's going to be an interesting debate because this is
democrat on democrat violence.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Now I don't mean the literal violence.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
But it's democrat on democrat debate about whether to get
involved with this program. And I think that is a
very very interesting dynamic. Let's see, what's the other thing
that I want? Oh, I know this is other thing
I wanted to mention to you. So Genea and I
both have talked about this in the past couple of days,
but we brought you the news probably before you heard

(45:09):
it anywhere else that Paramount had jumped into a bidding
war to buy Warner Brothers Discovery after Warner Brothers had
agreed to be taken over by Netflix. Paramount jumped in
with a bid that I think objectively is a better bid.
You get more money per share, and it's all cash,

(45:31):
whereas the bid from Netflix was stock and cash, which
is usually considered inferior. After all, if you wanted that stock,
you could just go buy it yourself with the cash
that you get in and all cash deal if you
want in any case, and there are potential tax considerations there,
but generally all text all stock, I'm sorry, all cash

(45:51):
deals are are considered more favorable.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Paramount offered more money and all cash.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Now, what I said at the time that this story
broke while is that I would expect that this isn't done.
Warner Brothers Discovery is a very significant, important, interesting company
that owns a lot of things, including HBO Max. And

(46:17):
what I said when this news broke was, I have
a feeling you're gonna see these companies getting into a
bidding war. And I don't think Netflix is just gonna
walk away and let Paramount take it, assuming people would
tender their shares to Paramount. We did have news that
a big time investor, famous name you might remember if
you've been following investing for a long time, name Mario Gibelli.

(46:40):
He said he would tender his shares to Paramount at
that higher bid, not to Netflix. So there'd probably be
a lot of that because it's just more money. It's
just worth more if you sell it to Paramount. So
the headline from the New York Post yesterday Netflix and
Paramount shares sink as Wall Street bets on a bidding
war for Warner Brothers Discovery. So what they're saying is

(47:02):
Warner Brothers the target, the one being bought is sort
of drifting up in price as people start thinking Netflix
and Paramount are going to start just racing each other
to bid more. And at the same time, Paramount and
Netflix share prices are drifting down as the market looks
at these companies spending more, maybe over spending, but not

(47:26):
knowing which one is going to end up as the winner.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
They're selling shares in both of them.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
At some point one of them will end up being
the winner, and then the market will have to decide
whether they're gonna bid the other one back up because
they're not overspending anymore.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
I think it's a really really interesting finance story.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
I hope you find it interesting as well.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Come join me and Gina and producer Shannon for lunch
today at Crown Burger around noon at Crown Burger, east
side of Colorado Boulevard, just south maybe half mile south
of I twenty five between Ilif and Evans. Let's see, Gine,
I'm gonna just surprise you here. Well it's not really

(48:08):
a surprise, but you had a minute to talk about
restaurants because you're well, yeah, you send me this link
from our news partners at KADIVR. These Denver restaurants are
planning to open in twenty twenty six, and I looked
at and a lot of those look really interesting. Although
you probably have more fun getting out to restaurants than
I do these days.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Well, a lot of them also look like restaurants that
are extending, either adding another location or kind of doing
a spin on their current restaurants. Obviously, we have to
mourn the ones that we lost in twenty twenty five,
which was a lot. And they talk about Denver's minimum
wage and the cost of living, you name it. So
we had some clothes like Capsivity Tavern was one of
my favorites, and Sushi Rama and Rhino, the Conveyor Belt

(48:46):
Sushi place, all those were great. But now they're hoping
that some of these newer restaurants are going to be
taking their places, some of them on the list that
I saw.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
I'm curious if anyone from.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
Texas, which I know there's a lot of transplants, Yeah,
have ever been to a paper Boy, a brunch spot
that I guess is opening its first location outside of Texas.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Early next year.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
This is going to be in the West Highlands neighbor
hihood West thirty second Avenue, so if you've ever been
to a paper Boy text us, because I'm curious if
that's going to be a good competitor when it comes
to like, we have a lot of brunch places here
in our state, so I'll be curious to see how
that one is. A Taco Bell Cantina is coming to
the Denver International Airport, and if you've ever been to
one of them, you know it's just like a Taco

(49:27):
Bell ramped up a notch. They do some specialty items,
a unique menu. They they can make like their Baja
Blast alcoholic. I'll be honest, I think it's a little
overrated because it's very expensive.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Here's the thing for me with that. I would like
to try the Taco Bell Cantina. But if it's at
Denver Airport and nowhere else, that means it's gonna cost
me eighty seven dollars.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
So apparently there.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
Is another location coming to Denver Airport at some point.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
No idea when, when, or where anything like that.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
But I agree, not only is Taco Bell Cantina expensive
outside of an airport, they're going to jack up the
price even more.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Yeah, So have you ever been to a Taco Bell Cantina?

Speaker 4 (50:09):
I have, of course you have where where you New
York and Miami, I believe.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
For the two And what did you get? Since you
won't have their ground beef or chicken, what did you get?

Speaker 4 (50:20):
A very overpriced cheesecasadia. Okay, and I tried their alcoholic
Baha Blast, which is not good because the alcohol.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Doesn't really mix well with the slushies.

Speaker 9 (50:34):
That was awesome. That was that was perfect delivery. I'm
not a fan of what's the word good, I'm not
a fan because the two just don't mix well. So
it's just like alcohol just floating on top of a slushie.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
But one of the ones I do.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
Really quick for one of the restaurants opening next year,
Levin Deli. If you've never been to Levin Deli sandwich
hop right by the Art Museum downtown Denver.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
It's a amazing, hands down one of my favorites. It's
one a ton of that.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
Really really good fresh sandwiches, so like fresh bread.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
They make all their bread there, that just all the
toppings and stuff.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
They do some crazy vegetarian sandwiches, but you know they
do rubens and things like that that you know my
husband is all about there. Wow, very very good. They're
making another location. They're expanding a downtown Denver restaurant. This
is going to be at Block one sixty two in
the Central Business District, so they're going to have more
lunch and dinner options as well as a full bar
so Leven Deli.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
It's I almost don't want to tell people about it,
but it's not a secret.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
Everyone knows about the Leven Delly because it's won so
many awards in downtown Denver near the Art Museum. They're
going to be extending into next year with another location,
which is pretty exciting.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Okay, I got a couple of listener texts. Uh time out,
Did Gina just say that there's a fifteen million dollar
overpass near Larkspur that's only for wildlife?

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yes, in the in the news store. Yes, it's so
in the news Okay.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
So, yeah, there's this overpass that they created and they
have some of these in the past, and it's for animals.
They're hoping that it reduces animal car crashes and it
is a hefty price tag, but they hope that this
will help a lot of people who have cars that
are damaged or animals that are killed on the roadways.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
It's one of the biggest.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Some other states have them, This is like one of
the largest that we've had in our state.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Listener text Gina. Although this one is spelled with a G,
I will remind you Gina is spelled with a J.
Where do you get all these cool ideas for places
to go?

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Asking for a friend?

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Ooh, recommendations from listeners. I do a lot of research.
I love just looking into things to do. We're always
out and about in the community, so it's like anytime we.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Can go somewhere new. We're not really.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Regulars at a lot of places, so I'm always willing
to try new restaurants or like just go to a
new attraction. Yesterday we were literally at a Drift, which
is a tiki bar restaurant off Broadway, which they changed
to No Drift, which is a Christmas bar now, so
they have a bunch of fun Christmas things.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
I think maybe social media helps a lot to lots
of influencers in our state that give me recommendations.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Another listener text, Gena. I always order the grilled cheese
at Crown Burger. I get it with tomato on it.
I don't know what other vegetables they offer. Definitely a bargain,
but tasty with vegetables. Another listener reminds me, and I
think everybody in the world except Gina probably knows this
already because she hasn't been to Crownburger. But probably the
best thing and one of the most famous things at Crownberger.

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I think I might have said risk it, but it's pastrami, right,
So it's a burger with pastrami on top, and it's
really great. I'll probably get that today. And then another Yes,
I love their grilled cheese and for the price, it's great,
but also the pastrami burger is the bomb.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
So there's both of them in one.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
So we got about fifteen seconds here, Gina, why don't
you remind people where they should be at noon Crown Burger.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
We'll be there and Ross will be there at twelve
oh one. I'll be there at eleven fifty three, so
it's also prime number for you.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
According to listeners.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
Shannon gave me some KOA signage, so we'll try to
get that up somewhere in Crownberger, so hopefully you can
figure us out.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
All right, maybe I'll get there early with you as well.
I'll just find a prime number and I'll be there
perfect looking forward to it. So folks show up somewhere
around noon and we'll have lunch together.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Okay, here's what we're gonna do next night.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Actually forgotten about this, but this is what's coming up
next on the show. There's a very interesting dude named
Victor Marx who is running for governor as a Republican,
and I think he's a fascinating character, you know, and
not going to be easy for a Republican.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
To win in this state.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
And I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Victor Marx will even get the nomination, but he seems
like a fascinating guy and I've been looking forward to
having him on the show. So Gena and I will
talk with Victor Marx right after this.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
This is Ross on the news with Gina. I'm Ross.
That's Gina.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
I know you can't tell because when you're looking through
the windows, see the back of her head and you
don't know it's her. And that's producer Dragon. You can't
tell it's him because you can see his red beard
as you're looking through the window. I am very very
mary pleased to be joined in studio by a guy
who i've wanted to talk to for some time. His
name is Victor Marx and he is, among other things,
a candidate for governor here in the state of Colorado.

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But when I say among other things, those other things
are by.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Themselves really really interesting.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
And quite a few people, a lot of my friends
and listeners are you know, Republicans.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Maybe to my right.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
I've got a lot of emails about you, saying like
you should talk.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
To this guy. So glad to have you here. Thanks
for having me.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Tell us just a little.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Bit about you, and then Gina and I will both,
you know, ask you things about your life and about politics,
and we'll just have some fun.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Yeah. Well, I'm excited to actually be in the race.

Speaker 10 (55:48):
And today I'm celebrating my thirty seventh wedding anniversary.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Congratulates. Thank you man.

Speaker 10 (55:55):
And I've been in a number of countries around the
world with my humanitarian work, and I've always had a
heart for helping people who suffered from trauma, and it
just kind of grew after my time in the Marine Corps.
It grew to I think we're best known for rescuing, recovering,
or facilitating rescues of women and children from isis overseas.

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That's where we've been doing a lot of work for
the last decade.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
Victor, I know you're founder of All Things Possible ministries
like you mentioned, but I think we even need to
take a couple steps back. I know, to really ask
how'd you get here and summarize that in a couple
of minutes.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Is really hard.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
Tell us a little bit about your upbringing and what
actually brought you to finding that ministry.

Speaker 10 (56:38):
Yeah, well, I come from a challenge background. As a kid,
I was abused mainly by a stepfather by others, and
I was left for dead and commercial cooler. It required
one hundred and twenty three visits to a trauma specialist,
and I'm very open about my past and the abuse
as a child. And people say, well, you're a victim.

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I said, no, I was victimized. They go, your survivor.
I was, But I'm a thriver, so I've learned to
My whole life has been doing what things, doing things people.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Absolutely don't think I could.

Speaker 10 (57:13):
And again, my greatest accomplishment is being married thirty seven
years today with five children and five grandkids.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Just my parents were both Navy, but I grew up
on Camp Pendleton. Give me a few seconds about serving
in the marine.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Right there.

Speaker 10 (57:32):
I was in eighty three to eighty six on the
President Reagan. I tell the young lawyers, we used muskets
and horses back then. I started off as a calm
guy because in high school I actually did radio. I
worked for one hundred thousand wt FM station kaj N
and Crowley, Louisiana. Then I moved to television for a
short bit of time. Yeah, I've always just again on.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Camera on were you on TV?

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Or was behind scenes director?

Speaker 10 (58:00):
Then back when we were rolling mash On Film, you know,
the TV show. And then I did write news stories
and I did a few voiceovers, but it made me
sound like a nine year old girl, so I had
to wait till every peevity.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Amazing Victor, Okay, I'm gonna ask this.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Question pretty blunt and the paun is intended talking about
the elephant in the room in Colorado?

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Do Republicans have a chance?

Speaker 10 (58:33):
I would say before me, no, and I'm just being honest.
The party has been highly dysfunctional and I'm not a politician.
As someone tried to pin me to that, saying, well,
you're a politician now it's a normal leader. We studied
an analysis of the Republican situation here, and frankly, it

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was so bad, both the state of affairs in Colorado
and then an aspect of the party itself. That's when
my wife and I had to decide, Oh, we're going
to leave like so many others, or do we step
into the fray? And I looked at every other candidate,
hoping someone had a chance to win, and they just don't.

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So me being an outsider, me not being although people
try to pat me everything far right, I'm not leave me.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
I've spoken at Marlago.

Speaker 10 (59:31):
I appreciate President Trump's leadership, but I'm a common sense
person who I may be a Republican card carrying, but
I'm independent my way of thinking because I think common
sense should rule the day, not politics over people, and
certainly not a party.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
We're talking with Victor Marx.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
I'll give you a couple of websites, Victor Marx dot
com it's mr X not chas Victor Marx dot com
or Victor twenty twenty six dot com and listeners. If
you had a question for Victor Marx, text it in
at five sixty six nine zero. I don't promise to
ask every question, but if you send a good question,
there's a good chance you'll hear it, asked a victor
on the air five six six nine zero. So I'd

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like to kind of follow up on what Gene asked you.
So what Gene asked you is more of a general
election question, which I think is a huge question. You know,
it's a pretty blue state, so we'll's see how that
plays out. But in order to get there, you'd have
to win Republican primary. And I generally don't and won't
now mention names of any other Republicans who might be

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running because I'm here talking to you right now. But
what do you think it is that would cause you
to appeal to the people who participate in Republican primaries,
which could be Republican base voters and also could be
unaffiliated voters like me who will participate in the Republican primary.

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You know, give me your best elevator pitch. I like
prime numbers, so give me your best twenty nine seconds
on why I, who don't know very much about you
and libertarian leaning, let's say, why should I vote for you?

Speaker 10 (01:01:09):
Well, one, I have the ability to bring the party
together to energize the Republicans, and three attract independent voice
for the votes, and finally raise the money that's needed
to win. And I'm leading in all those areas right now.
There are thousands of people who have contacted us and
said I'm independent or a disenfranchised Republican, or I haven't

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voted in years and I am now. So we outraised
our opponents financially in the first three weeks. We have
people that have swarmed us so much so every place
I've gone and spoken, it's standing room only. I will
not you know, I have the ability to bring groups

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together because like you who traveled the world, I spend
a lot of time bringing Sunny and she get together.
And if I can do that, I can certainly do
in the Publican party and ging the independance and actually
probably a few of the Democrats as well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Interesting, all right, I'll.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Tell you what, if you don't mind, I'd like to
ask you to stick around, and Gene and I both
have other things we'd like to talk to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
You about this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
So we're just going to have just a very short
pause here that's just for news, weather and traffic, and
then we're going to continue the conversation with Victor Marx.
He is seeking the Republican nomination for governor here in Colorado.
If you have a question for Victor, please text it
to us At five six six nine zero. We are
joined in studio by Victor Marx, who is a very

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interesting guy. I done a lot of interesting stuff in
his life and is seeking the Republican nomination for governor.
One listener text Victor, I consider myself a conservative yet
independent thinker.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Although I don't agree with.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
A lot happening with the trans and game issues, there
are people in those categories who live in our community.
How do you and the right generally get people in
those groups to understand that we care about them as people,
even if there are certain things like biological men and

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women's sports that we object to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Yeah, well, my past proves what I believe.

Speaker 10 (01:03:26):
I'm a humanitarian and I believe we're all creating God's image.
Now that's part of my faith belief. But I remember
speaking at mar Lago and then had to go do
this thing on a big ship, and a fellow walks
in and big I looked up, not too many people.

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I looked up, and it was Caitlin Jenner and we
spent a better part of an hour together.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Huh.

Speaker 10 (01:03:58):
And it turned into tears talking about his father, his past,
and I'll never forget, he said, Victor, take my number down.
I really like talking to you. And he said, if
you're ever in you know, Malibu area, come visit. And

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sure enough I did a fundraise over there and called
said I'm here when I had coffee with him and
a bunch of friends.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
And I'll tell you something.

Speaker 10 (01:04:34):
And I believe I've messed up on him or Caitlyn
Bruce all of that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Yeah, you've said him the whole time in this conversation, right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
And and but you know what he he.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Said to me, you keep saying he like, is that
intentional that you keep saying?

Speaker 10 (01:04:50):
He I would say, yes, yeah, okay, based on Caitlyn's position.
Looked at me in a parking lot before I left
and said, Victor Bruce is still in here. And I said,
I know. That's how I talked to And He's like,
I have gender dysphoria. It is a mental health issue.

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I said, I understand. I'm very aware of mental health issues.
My father spent time in the mental hospital. My grandfather
died in one. I said, you know, we have to
look past the challenges and love the person whoever they are.
So that's my position on all of this. People matter.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
Before we had the news just a minute ago, you were
talking a little bit about just bringing the party together,
being that independent voice that it came for the Republican Party.
But we haven't really touched a lot when we look
at just state issues. If you had to maybe rank
top three priorities if you were elected governor that you
would like to see.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Addressed in our state, what would those be?

Speaker 10 (01:05:56):
Safety would be first. And I say that a lot
of personal experience. My daughter was assaulted just a few
months ago in Colorado Springs broad daylight in a parking lot.
It was a forty five minute delay, forty five minute
response time. Thank god I had a three person team
meet with her. Because of what we do. I mean,

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I formed a think tank years ago put together a
task force called Protecting Children's Innocence. I worked by through
them with law enforcement, federal, state, and local. We do
one hundred percent of our own funding, and I'm very
good at protecting people, women and children and going after
bad guys.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
This hurt, especially.

Speaker 10 (01:06:38):
Because it was my daughter and she had to wherewithal
she takes after her mom, a lawyer, to record the
guy's licensed.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Late as he fled.

Speaker 10 (01:06:48):
And let me tell you something, it doesn't matter what
people say, it's what they do that really qualifies a
person for anything. And the responding officer said, he looked
at it. He goes, we know who he is, we
just can't catch him. And then he told us, don't
have your hopes up too high. I said, sir, you
don't know me. We will catch him. I guarantee you.

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And I took off my sunglasses and right there in
this parking lot, he goes, oh my gosh, I do
know who you are.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
And he goes, I hope you get them.

Speaker 10 (01:07:18):
We caught the guy the same day our team did,
and then had to do it a second time because
of a feedal rest, and then the third time was
by US marshals. So let me tell you crime and safety.
No one should have to worry about their kids going
to school, going shopping and broad daylight, going to your
car to parking lot. It's time for criminals to be

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I mean may pay. They have to pay for consequences.
So safety, crime and look, all we have to do
is unleashed law enforcement, give them a top cover they need,
and strengthen strengthen legislation that makes them pay as a
deterrent more than anything to protect our citizens.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
The second thing would be affordability. Everybody knows it. I mean, the.

Speaker 10 (01:08:05):
Issues facing Colorado are facing Colorado's not Republicans, not Democrats,
not independence. It's something we're all struggling and it can
be corrected through common sense. So I've had to do things.
I saw how many countries you've been in around the world.
I've been in a number of them, putting together highly complex, multinational,

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self funded things in order to accomplish what other people
never thought possible. And I'll say this since it's my
wedding anniversary today. The last mention of my wife and
I went on. She was the point person. We rescued
a girl who had been held captive nine years, kidnapped
as a teenager, and we rescued in the twenty She
had two children in captivity inside an ICE's confinement facility.

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Now she's returned with her two children.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
We did it.

Speaker 10 (01:08:58):
We planned it for six months, we executed in five days.
So when people talk to me about what's your policy,
what's your plan?

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
I go.

Speaker 10 (01:09:05):
There is no magic wand it is common sense. It's
putting together a team of very skilled, seasoned, reasonable men
and women who can build out teams for my governor's
administration to make a difference.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
I think you understand from those various answers why a
lot of folks got in touch with me, you saying
you have to have Victor Marx on your show, and
a lot of people really looking at Victor seriously as
their potential choice for a Republican nominee for a governor.
If you'd like to learn more about Victor Mark's two websites,
I'll show you victormars dot com and Victor twenty twenty six,

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which is the specific website for the gubernatorial campaign Victor
twenty twenty six dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Thank you so much for coming in.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Thank you and my friend Roger for bringing bringing Victor
in and and we'll definitely keep in touch.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Well.

Speaker 10 (01:09:54):
I appreciate it, I appreciate you all. Congratulations on your
new time for your show. This is fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
I enjoy thanks, thanks so much for being here. All right,
We're I'm going to digest that. Take a quick moment here,
we'll have some news, weather and traffic. Keep it here
on Kowa eight thirty five if you're listening live, and
that means in a little over three hours, you can
meet me and Gina for lunch at Crown Burger and

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I will be eating meat and Gina will not be,
So Gina, I will have your beef and you can
have my vegetables perfect, although I may I may keep
a little bit of tomato on the burger if that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Is that okay? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Do you want to remind people where Crown Burger is? No,
because I've never been there, so I don't even know east.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Side of Colorado Boulevard between I Lift and Evans. So
if you're taking I twenty five, get off at Colorado,
go south for a little while and it'll be on
the left Crown Burger, and Gina will figure out how
to get there. And Gina is wearing a long sleeved
black sweater and I am wearing a short sleeve gray
polo shirt that says AA on it, so you will
recognize who we are.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
It's like those awkward Facebook marketplace meete ups where you
like meet in a common location.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
You're like, are you you?

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
I did that just a couple of days ago.

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
Huh, it's always like that. It's not awkward. It's always
going to be like that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
A listener asked, And this is not a question I'm
allowed to answer with any.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Level of detail.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
But since you're talking about restaurants and stuff to do
all the time, a listener wants to know where you live.
So I just said, some somewhere in the heart of
the city. Yes, but she's a city girl. I live
in the suburbs, and and Gina lives in the in
the city, and so we're gonna we're gonna leave it
at that, but thank you for asking.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Okay, still a bunch.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Of stuff to talk about on the show today, and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Whatever I didn't get to today, I'll handle tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
But earlier in the show, we were let's see what
was the context. Earlier in the show, but we were
talking about, oh my gosh, what was it. Anyway, we
were talking about some of the trans stuff and I
don't mean with Victor Marx, but oh, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
What it was. Okay, I know what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
The context earlier in the show, we shared with you
the story, and then Gina just shared it in the
news that the federal government is investigating prisons, including youth
prisons in Colorado, to make sure they are treating prisoners right.
And then they also added in the letter to the
state harmeyet Dillon, the Assistant Attorney General or Deputy Attorney
General whatever her title is, said, We're also going to

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look at whether you are violating free exercise of religion
rights for prisoners by including biological.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Men and women's prisons.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
And then I said at the time, there's actually another.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Issue going on.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
There's another issue going on with a school district in
Virginia and there's a lawsuit, and I just wanted to
share this with you. Louden County which used to be
very very rural farmland kind of stuff, a little bit
outside of wash in DC. But once stuff got you know,

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started getting very expensive in the immediate suburbs outside of DC,
then that started getting more and more and built up. Imagine,
just as an example, let's say inner suburb like Greenwood Village.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Just as an example, like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Get gets quite expensive and so then you start pushing
out and then suddenly areas like loan Tree that used
to be farmland to get expensive, or on the north
side Boulder gets expensive. And then you know people who
can't quite afford Boulder. The land is very expensive, the
lots are small. They start pushing out toward Naiwat to

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the north, or Lafayette and Broomfield and Superior in Westminster
to the south, and all that stuff starts getting expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
So that's what Louden County is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
It used to just be farmland and now it's a
suburban county.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
And here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
These DC suburbs tend to be filled with people who
work for government, and people who work for government tend
to not just Democrat, but be pretty liberal, and so
they elect a lot of liberal people in Louden County
has gone kind of nuts. And Louden County has a
policy that allows biological boys who are identifying as girls

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in the girls room and vice versa. And actually, this
story goes the other way.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
This is a this is a biological.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Female identifying as a male and going into a boys
locker room in a school. And this is a very
strange and annoying story. Again, I'm not looking to just
talk about this issue again. Okay, this issue has been
discussed to death and everybody's got their opinions about it,

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all right. What's different about this one is that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Is that a.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
Boys were in in the boys' locker room and they
saw a girl who identifies as a boy come into
the locker room, and they started talking about it. The
boys started talking about it, and somebody recorded the boys
talking about it, and one of the boys said, is
there a girl in here? And another another boy said,

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I'm so uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
There's a girl here, and.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Another one said, that's a female, bro, get out of here.
And the school district and and so there were three boys, two.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Of them were Christian, one of them was Muslim.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
And it might not surprise you to know that the
school district. The school district suspended the and opened a
Title nine.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Investigation into.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
These boys and then accused the boys, but not the
Muslim boy, of sexual harassment and sex based discrimination. And
as far as I can tell, all they did was
say I'm really uncomfortable with a girl being in the
boy's locker room. And again, I'm not looking to litigate
or relitigate this whole issue. I don't think that we

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should be doing this. I think boys should be in
boys' locker rooms and girls should be in girls' locker rooms.
And my perspective has nothing at all to do with religion.
It just has to do with, you know, what seems
like common sense, and it seems like doing it the
other way is asking for a heck of a lot
of trouble. But the school district actually suspended the boys,
and the boys said that their viewpoint was inspired by

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sincerely held religious beliefs that boys are boys and girls
are girls and you can't identify as the other one.
And again I am not debating that. Okay, I am
not debating that. And just so folks understand, I'm not
a social issues conservative. I am not like anti trans
in any way. I know people who are trans. You

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heard what Victor Marx just said about, you know, chatting
with Caitlyn Jenner and all this, So you know, I
know there are a lot of folks who have these
very negative views of trans people.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
I am not one of them. In any way. That
doesn't mean putting.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Boys in the girl's locker room, or in this case,
girls in the boys locker room is okay. But for me,
what's so interesting about it is that one the boys
are defending themselves based on free exercise of religion, which
goes a little bit to this prison thing here in Colorado.
And also the fact that they would suspend these boys,

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the school district would suspend these boys for being uncomfortable
that a girl is in their locker room, just so
much defies common sense, Like wouldn't you, if you were
a parent in that school district, say, this is really insane.
Why does the federal government have to do that. Why
don't we just elect people to the school board who
put in more reasonable policies. Maybe one day that'll happen.

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I'm Ross with Gina and producer Dragon. Come join me
and Gina and producer Shannon. We'll probably get there just
a little bit later, but come join us for lunch
today at Crown Burger, which is east side of Colorado
Boulevard between Ileft and Evans, about half a mile south
of I twenty five. Listener text, Gina should try the

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chocolate covered, blue cheese stuffed green pepper Burger.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Ross.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
I'm going to need yours and Gina's full address please.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
As far as where Gina lives, just.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Tell folks they can bring Gina's Christmas presents to the
KOA building and then they don't need her address.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Love that, Gina, have you ever yelled at your boss?
No of them. That might be another story. Are you
let's see, are you millennial gen Z millennial? Yeah, what's
the rate? Are you sort of like young end of millennials,
end of millennials, the young end of millennials?

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
So this thing, and I think maybe you sent me this.
A survey says one in three gen Z workers admit
to yelling at their boss.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Can you imagine?

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Can you?

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
I mean, can you imagine? Let me ask listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
We only have like two minutes here right, text us
at five six six nine zero. Have you ever yelled
at your boss? Have you ever been if? Have you
been a boss and been yelled at by an employee?
But yeah, I don't even know what to say to that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
There wouldn't ocur to me. Yeah, there's no way. There's
really no way.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Unless he already fired you and then you wanted to
say something on the way out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
But I don't think that's what's going on here, No,
not at all.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
In fact, it's it's interesting because the whole survey kind
of talks about gen Z being like, Okay, we've seen
co workers who have been laid off or fired for
being we're literally doing great work, so we have no
sign like, we're not gonna stay quiet. We're gonna just
speak our minds and we're gonna yell and tell the

(01:20:06):
truth of when we want to tell the truth. They
are just like a it's my way or the highway
kind of generation. And it's just the way that they've
really just seen things ran and it's just the whole
idea of Okay, well, if I'm gonna get fired, whether
I'm good or bad, it is the possibility, then.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
I'm just gonna yell at my boss.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
But that's where I draw the line is I don't
think that is really the appropriate way of going about it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
A little more from this, from this thing, and this
is from cpapracticeadvisor dot com. And I have no idea
how Gina found that website. By those who admit to
yelling at their boss, say it happened during a stressful
work situation fifty nine percent.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
That still wouldn't get me to yell at my boss.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Others lost their temper, over workload or expectations forty eight percent,
Oh you want me to work harder, I'm gonna yell
or feeling offended forty five percent.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
Those are the big ones.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Others admitted to yelling at the receiving criticism or differing
political or social views. Actually was happy in a way
that that was a that was nine percent.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
I thought that might have been a much a much
higher number.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
If you, Gina, if you were the boss and someone
yelled at you, do you think that would be almost
an immediate firing offense or do you think you would
try to be like nice about it and give them
the benefit of the doubt and give them one more chance.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
I mean, I would say probably ninety five percent of
the time. No, But when it comes to like if
there's any exception, I don't know what those exceptions would be.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
But no, I don't. I don't think there's.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
Any I don't think there's any time to have yelling
in the workplace period, whether it's your boss, to a coworker,
to somebody else. I just don't understand why the yelling
should be should be a portion of it. But real quick,
rous like, do you want to say this listener that
said no, never never yelled, only cried and I'm a millennial,
that's what we're knowing for.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Oh that's great, all right, let's leave it there, Come
join us for lunch. At Crown Burger at noon. We'll
see there. Have a wonderful rest of your Wednesday. I'm
Ross for Gina and Dragon. We'll talk with you tomorrow.
Michael Brown up next.