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December 19, 2024 14 mins
George Braucher is the newly elected DA of the newly created 23rd Judicial District. We'll talk about what criminals in the district should expect once George takes office next month. We'll also talk about how Laura Ingraham (or her producers putting words in her mouth) misled viewers about Brauchler.

Creation of the 23rd Judicial District - Douglas County

DA-elect to take tough-on-crime approach in new 23rd Judicial District
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Spending some time with me. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Let's go right to our koa Common Spirit health hotline,
where we are joined by my friend George Brockler, who
is probably sitting around in his judicial robe right now.
And I always always picture George in a red velvet
robe and a very Hugh Hefner kind of look, which
is probably not what the military wants when he's doing
his work as a as a judge. George is the

(00:25):
first district attorney in the newly created twenty third Judicial District.
He's got a serious job to do, and he joins
us talk about how he's going to do that job.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Hi, George Ross, thanks for having me on in the
robe thing. There's a judge who's passed away now called
Frank Jackson who used to have a sideline gig with
the Broncos and he would break out once or twice
a year an orange Broncos robe that he would wear
to court on special occasions. I'd like to get something
like that. You should indeed get something like that.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
In fact, before we talk about the DA thing, are
you are you still in the reserves, Are you still
doing the military judge thing?

Speaker 1 (01:05):
I am, I'm running out of runway. Though. There's something
that all prior service will know. MRD is my mandatory
removal date after thirty years of commissioned service. If I
haven't found a way to get promoted to general, they
put you out to pass year. My thirty year mark
is next May. I'm promotable to general. I've been cleared
by the US Senate. But you got to find a

(01:26):
job and there just aren't that many. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Interesting, all right, we'll talk about that another day, but
I'm glad to get that, glad to get that update.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
What did Laura Ingram say about you yesterday? Yeah, so
somebody said, Laura the first part of an answer that
I gave on immigration and Trump's policies, and then quickly
turn that into a let's beat up on George for
being a guy who just quote doesn't get it, won't
support Trump or the immigration stuff. And then she invited

(01:57):
Tom Holman, and of course Tom's only move is to
come in off the top rope, and so he did
and was like, I don't get these elected officials and
then who they think they are, and I'll just work
around them. I'm like, are you talking about me? But
listen to the rest of the answer, and so I
made some calls, did some things. I think they got
to the executive producer, and by the end of the show,

(02:19):
Laura came on. I haven't seen this, but Laura came
on and said, hey, I'm sorry, we got this one wrong.
So wow, all right, that's good.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
All right, So let's jump into the issue then, and
rather than how other people are talking about issue, because
there's a lot of parts of your job as district attorney,
but something that a lot of people are thinking about
now is the whole kind of sanctuary thing here in
Colorado that is actually state law, so it doesn't really
matter where you are. So what I'd like you to

(02:48):
do here is first explain what that state law is
that I'm referring to, how it might constrain you, and
how you intend to do the best you can to
help deal with this problem of illegal immigration while staying
in compliance with that law, even if you and I don't.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Like the law. There's a couple statutes that impact this,
and the gist of them is twofold. One is to
basically say you cannot be involved in the enforcement of
the federal immigration laws. That's the result of it. The
other one is you cannot actively share certain information, personally
identifying information things like that with immigration officials, and specifically

(03:31):
like you can't hold people under anything less than an
arrest warrant or probably cause for immigration to come get them.
And in the old days, when guys would be in
jail and they had immigration issues, we'd simply call up
Ice and by we, I mean the sheriff would call
up Ice and say, were at leasing this guy at noon,
come get him, or we'll bring on to him till

(03:52):
you get here. Can't cooperate like that anymore. And you
probably reported on this ross but you know the county
commissioners for Douglas County, they were standing behind me at
that press conference. They're the ones that sued the state
over this issue and had it predictably kicked out by
the Denver judge. And now they're going to appeal to
the FEDS. That's all part of this thing right now.

(04:13):
So you know, when I was asked, and that's a good,
fair question, what are you going to do in light
of the president's announcement this is what he wants to do?
And I said, I want to be clear upfront, and
you'll appreciate this because we're conservative, right. I'm not saying
you're a Republican. I'm saying we're conservative. We believe that
a restrained government is good government. And so I don't
see my view I mean my role as doing the

(04:35):
bidding of the federal government. I don't see my role
as bending a knee or when the government says I
want you to do X, I go II. Captain. I
was elected for a different position, and that was to
enforce state law. So I'm not going to go out
there and enforce immigration law. However, I am in the
public safety business, and if there are things and partnerships
we can develop with our federal accounterparts, including ICE, that

(04:58):
can rid the community of the criminal element, you got
my attention, I'm all in. And so i'd given some
advice at this press conference yesterday. I said, listen, this
isn't the DA talking, this is just common sense. Right.
If you're undocumented, go get documented. If you choose not
to get documented, then choose to be on your best behavior,
because if you violate the law, do not expect me

(05:20):
to save you from the immigration consequences of your criminal conduct.
I'm not going to do it. And so the first
half of that answer made Ingram. The second half didn't.
But that's my position.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
So what what's going to happen in the twenty third? Actually,
before I ask you this question, tell people what the
twenty third Judicial District is going to comprise.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yep, the old eighteenth was a rapah Douglas, Elberton, Lincoln
a rapa hoe will remain the eighteenth. The rest of it, Douglas, Elberton,
Lincoln will become the new twenty third. There'll be a
little over four hundred thousand Coloradins in it. Pretty conservative jurisdiction,
and it's really the offer between Opaso County and the
rest of the metro area.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
And if I remember correctly, over ninety percent of the
population of the judicial district is in Douglas County.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Over ninety three percent. Yeah, that's right, ninety three percent. Okay.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
So hypothetical situation, you prosecute an illegal alien for aggravated
sexual assault. I don't know if that's an actual charge
in Colorado. I just made that up. And he gets
convicted and does eighteen months, and he's a member of
a gang, and you think this is a bad dude,

(06:35):
not really reformed, likely to commit crimes again, absolutely deportable.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Can you do.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Anything to try to increase the chances that that criminal
gets deported without violating state law?

Speaker 1 (06:51):
No, I don't think so. I mean, listen, what I
think is there are ways to share information that are
not violative of that statute. That's what we're exploring. There
are ways to get the best out of Ice. And
when I say the best out of ICE, I mean, look,
these people have resources the federal government that we just
don't have. They're very good at taking our tax money.

(07:13):
I'd like them to spend it for the benefit of
the community. So there are ways to get the best
out of our federal partners without running a foul of
the law. And we're looking into all those ways right now.
But at the end of the day, what I don't
want to see happen. And Tom Homan said this on
Ingram and has said this elsewhere, like We're going to
grab up those violent criminals and quickly get them out
of here. And I'm like, no, I don't want you

(07:37):
to do that. I want them to serve their sentence
and then get them out of here. Because everybody knows
if you've cut these guys loose South of the border.
They're just coming back, right, like you've got to do
your prison time. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
I mean, in a sense if and I don't know
that Homan was saying, snatch them out of prison and
deport them. But if somebody were to suggest that that
taking them out, that deporting is more important than finishing
a prison sentence, that's actually a positive incentive for these
people to keep committing crimes, because being deported is not

(08:10):
really a deterrence for them, whereas spending time in jail
might at least be a little bit of one.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, I hear I heard him to say. And if
I'm wrong, I'm happy to be wrong. I heard him
to talk about not taking them out of prison, but
grabbing him up before they go through the process. Quickly
arrest these bad guys and ship them down south. No,
thank you. These dudes ought to face the same consequences
as if you or me or our neighbors committed these crimes.

(08:36):
Deport them afterwards. But this idea of shipping all of
our trash south and expecting it to stay there, stay there,
I don't believe that. Okay.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
So there are a few other areas of crime that
Coloraden's have been particularly concerned about.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
One is auto theft.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I don't know whether that's as big a deal in
your district as some others, but you can address it.
And the other, of course is drugs. Why don't you
talk about both of those? And I realize at least
one might not be very important where you are well.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Cart Dept Is a big deal for us, and I
think the thing that sets us apart is our approach
to every kind of theft, every kind of violation of
someone's property rights is going to be taken seriously in
a way that we just don't see right now out
of Denver and some other parts. And that is I
want this to be the takeaway from the press conference,

(09:23):
to the extent that I have the ability to encourage
it and make it happen. Every thief is going to
be incarcerated where and for how long. That's something we
can talk about. But I don't think anybody gets to
steal anything without going into custody and going to jail
or prison. Cart theft in particular. The other thing that
folks ought to know is in Sheriff Weekly. That's the

(09:44):
sheriff of Douglas County has said this repeatedly, do not
make the mistake of thinking we're like the rest of
the Metro area and we won't chase you. If you
try to flee from us and you're stolen car, We're
going to get you. You're going to get tired, and
you're going to get incarcerated for a longer period of time.
And I'm invested to that. The drug piece continues to
be difficult because the legislature has really crippled the good

(10:06):
tools that prosecutors have had. We used to have very
robust drug courts to deal with addicts and to give
them an incentive to go through treatment so that they
weren't facing so many convictions and incarceration. Well, then the
legislature cut all the drug penalties down to misdemeanors. And
if I'm a public defender, I'm not telling my guy, hey,
go through this rigorous, painful, you know, drug addiction treatment process.

(10:28):
Just take your dang misdemeanor and move on. Because the
legislature also built in automatic feeling of misdemeanors after a
couple of years, So the consequence has become deminimous and
there's no incentive to participate. Drug dealers legit drug dealers
when I say, legit two guys sharing a pipe or
a needle or a rail or something like that is
not drug dealing, but legit drug dealers. We're going to

(10:51):
crush them. That's my goal, is to crush them.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
A listener wants to know whether you really think it's
okay to effectively be saying criminals go commit crimes in
a Rappaho County, in Denver, in Adams Call, or wherever, wherever,
the wherever the soft prosecutors are, you better keep your
crimes out of my district. Do you do you think

(11:14):
that's a fine way for a DA to talk.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Here's what I think is a fine way to talk
is to say I don't want anybody to commit crimes.
That's my first best advice, don't break the law. My
second best advice is, if you can't help yourself, or
you choose to violate the law, choose to do it
somewhere else. I'm not inviting people to commit crime somewhere else.

(11:38):
I'm discouraging them from committing crimes in our jurisdiction. And
to the extent that people find that offensive, it's disappointing
because if every part of the jurisdiction, the Metro Area
took that same approach. Maybe we'd push the criminal elements
all the way out of the state of Colorado, and
if they're committing crime somewhere else, boo hoosh for them.
But I don't want it happening in my neighborhoods and

(11:59):
in my community. That wasn't elected to care about the crime.
In Denver, that's Mayor Johnston, that's John Walsh, that's the
chief of police out there. That's their business, and I
cheer them on in what they do. But please don't
expect me to feel bad about criminals deciding not to
come to Douglas County to do what they're inclined to do.
That's a perfect answer.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
That's the answer is hoping you were going to give,
and I'm not surprised that you gave it. George Brockler
is the newly elected district Attorney for the newly created twenty.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Third Judicial District.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Last question for you, George, what's what's the most important
thing related to your upcoming job that I have not
asked you about?

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Man, you know what that question right there is important
because I don't know, and I say that's sincerely, Like
this is like a startup. We're a startup. We have
some safety net because it's a government startup, right Like,
we're not going to close our doors six months in
because of mismanagement. But at the same time, it's that
the unknown unknowns, right like, we tried to anticipate everything,

(12:57):
and the county has done such a great job in
supporting with hr and IT and infrastructure stuff, great stuff.
We've got great personnel, the best you can find. But
once we cut that ribbon on the fourteenth, I have
no idea man quick hits. I mean, it's that worry
about what didn't we figure out, what didn't we anticipate
as we move forward. And then the other thing I

(13:18):
learned this the last time. You can have the best
plans in the world, the focus that you want to have,
but what you can't predict is some guy walking into
a movie theater at the corner of I two twenty
five and Alameda and trying to murder hundreds of human
beings and have that dominate your resources and your focus.
I do not want that at all. I want this
to be the most boring, lame prosecutor's job on the planet.

(13:42):
But I worry.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, I don't blame you, and I guess in a sense,
you're getting paid to worry the same way, or maybe
just a hair a bit less than cops and sheriffs
and so on are paid to worry. But you're all
part of that job to keep us safe, and that
involves worrying. So I think you're I think you're the
right guy for the job. George Brockler is the newly

(14:06):
elected DA for the newly created twenty third Judicial district,
so he will be the first ever DA in that district, which.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Is pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
And maybe he'll wear a Broncos robe even though it's
not a judge's job. Maybe you should wear a Broncos
robe around the office, Broncos suit. Thanks George. We'll definitely
keep in touch, and yeah, when you figure out what
that other important question is, let me know and we'll
have you back on, all right, buddy, Thank you, Thanks George.

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