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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Please welcome back to the show my good friend Leland Vittert,
who was indeed born Lucky. You can go to born
Lucky dot com to learn more about that. He is
the host of on Balance on News Nation weeknights at
seven pm here in the Mountain time zone, replays again
at ten pm, and I very much encourage you to
go to warnoes dot com and sign up for his
(00:21):
daily email, or at least daily on the days when
he has a show.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Leland is a guy who got.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
The most out of his education at the London School
of Economics, Right Leland exactly. It seems like the biggest
story right now is this whole drug boat thing and
the second strike and you know, kill everybody, leave no
survivors kind of thing. I don't know if you happen
to see the update this morning from the New York
Times that seems to give a little more breathing room
(00:49):
to Pete Hegseth. But how are you seeing the political
implications of this story more than kind of the facts
of it.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Process stories don't normally work when attacking Donald Trump, and
by that.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I mean when you are you, and by.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
That I mean democrats, remembers of the media are doing process,
the rules of law.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Do process immigration? Who gets deported? When and why? And
on and on.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Those are usually losing arguments because it puts those against
Donald Trump on the other side of common sense issues.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
And by that I mean ask most.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Americans, do we think boats coming to America filled.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
With drugs should be blown up? Most people will say yes.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
In the same way Democrats thought that they had Trump
by the tail and Christin Noman was going to resign
over Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the Maryland man wrongfully deported. Ask
most Americans are those who are here illegally and have
committed crimes?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Should they be deported? Answer yes?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
So again, it's oftentimes okret I want to attack Trump
on how he is doing something, the American people tend
to care more about what he is doing.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
There was this blow up a few days ago that
I'll tie these things together in a moment with those
I think it was six Democrat members of Congress who
put out this video encouraging members of the military not
to follow illegal orders, which probably most members of the
military already know.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And then at least three of them that.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I saw were asked on TV, well, can you name
an illegal order?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
That Trump gave and none of them could.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Now it sort of feels like this is their little
crack there to say, oh, we told you so, right,
we told you so.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Here's an illegal order.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And that's why that's why I wonder if this might
stick a little bit more than the process they are
talking about, but also because it's kind of aiming more
at Hegseethan and less a Trump.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
But you think it won't.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
No, And to your point, the New York Times now
reporting gives heg Seth even more breathing room on this.
This is this is a case where once again Democrats
think they have the proverbial bull by the horns or
by something else, and they are going to get him
this time, whether it's Heagseth or Gnome or any other
(03:16):
one of the or Bondie, whoever it is, and that's
going to get them to Trump.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
And every time, it's like Lucy and the football.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
They think they have it and then all of a
sudden more facts come out and it gets far murkier.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
And I shudder to.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Think now at the discussion of all of these congressional inquiries,
if we're going to start having congressional hearings about every
order that a general or admiral gave.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
That is going to be a terrible thing in America.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
And the biggest danger of that video that the Democrats
put out, and I said it at the time, was
that it's going to have a chilling effect on general's,
admirals and everybody down in the chain of command.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Basically, if I don't.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Like the order you gave, now I'm going to haul
you before Congress and we're gonna have hearings about it.
That is not how America has ever prosecuted wars. It's
not how America has won wars. And it is a dangerous,
dangerous thing. You do not want the Ferguson effect for
the US military.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And I'll just say again, if if the Washington Post
story just the specifics of there were two survivors and
we killed them, if that's true, don't know if it's true.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
If it's true, I do think that was illegal.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Which is separate from saying whether it's important.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Respectfully, none of us have any idea because in order
to make that qualification, you have to know what the
video was showing. You have to know exactly what position
the boat was in. You have to know whether there
were weapons present. You have to know whether or not
the boat was able to be moved. You have to
know whether there was reports of other cartel members coming
(04:59):
to save that vote, and we don't know any of that.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
That's all true.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
That's why I specified if the story is first reported
is true where you have a couple of guys like
hanging on smoldering wreckage. But let me just finish my
point and then you can agree or disagree. I care
more about the rule of law than I care about
blowing up those guys. It doesn't trouble me that people
like that get what's coming to them, right I just
(05:27):
in my mind, I think, well, if a cop saw
someone who they're pretty sure was dealing drugs, you know,
maybe running away from a car accident, just as an
example today, I'm pretty sure that person's been dealing with drugs, so.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I'm gonna shoot them like that would be murder. And
I think this is kind of similar.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I sense that you're quite skeptical though, and I like
it when we disagree.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Well, yes, I add to that. If you want to
talk about the rule of law, ross the rules of
war in international waters with people who the president of
the United States as commander in chief have deemed a
danger to America. I don't know if it's the clear
(06:13):
and present statue, but it's under the terrorism statue. That
is a different standard than and rules of engagement than
police are held to as they engage in police activity
in the United States.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Those are two very different things.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
A soldier can kill someone on the battlefield without probable cause. Okay,
so you're conflating wildly different things. If we want to
say that there is such a thing as in illegal
order and that ordering innocent combatants who have been taken
off the battlefield killed specifically ordering that to that to
(06:57):
that effect, without any other outside issues or facts, and
we want to adjudicate that, go adjudicate it.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
But my point being is is that.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
From a much larger sense, I forget the hypothetical of
if everything the Washington Post says is true, because that's
rarely a path anyone has been successful going down Ross.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I'm saving you here, right, Okay.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
In a larger sense, we've seen this play before, which
is salacious. Story comes out that appears to blow up
everything Trump administration is doing, and everybody goes glombs onto it. Oh,
the rule of law, Oh, international law, Oh due process,
Oh how can you deport someone who's just a Maryland
(07:50):
father with two kids? And then it turns out that
he was beating his wife in an MS thirteen gang member.
Things get a lot more complicated. Oh and by the way,
he had a final order of deportation.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
And suddenly the game to.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Impeach Christy Nome is over and Democrats are being told
by their congressional caucus stop going down to Al Salvador
and making this guy a hero. That's we've seen his
play before, so un tell I know that it's a
different play.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I'm gonna keep looking at it that way.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Give me a few seconds on what you have coming
up on your show tonight other than this story.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Oh, my favorite story of the week. It turns out
Marilyn Monroe might have been killed.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
What yeah, Oh my gosh. Oh it's amazing, folks.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You got to tone into on balance with Leland Vendor
tonight on News Nation seven pm Mountain Time, replays at
ten pm Mountain Time. Go to Warnoes dot com and
subscribe to Leland's fantastic daily email. It will definitely make
you smarter. Thanks for being here, Leland. As always appreciate
it all right, Chez Ross.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
See yeah,
Please welcome back to the show my good friend Leland Vittert,
who was indeed born Lucky. You can go to born
Lucky dot com to learn more about that. He is
the host of on Balance on News Nation weeknights at
seven pm here in the Mountain time zone, replays again
at ten pm, and I very much encourage you to
go to warnoes dot com and sign up for his
(00:21):
daily email, or at least daily on the days when
he has a show.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Leland is a guy who got.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
The most out of his education at the London School
of Economics, Right Leland exactly. It seems like the biggest
story right now is this whole drug boat thing and
the second strike and you know, kill everybody, leave no
survivors kind of thing. I don't know if you happen
to see the update this morning from the New York
Times that seems to give a little more breathing room
(00:49):
to Pete Hegseth. But how are you seeing the political
implications of this story more than kind of the facts
of it.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Process stories don't normally work when attacking Donald Trump, and
by that.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I mean when you are you, and by.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
That I mean democrats, remembers of the media are doing process,
the rules of law.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Do process immigration? Who gets deported? When and why? And
on and on.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Those are usually losing arguments because it puts those against
Donald Trump on the other side of common sense issues.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
And by that I mean ask most.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Americans, do we think boats coming to America filled.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
With drugs should be blown up? Most people will say yes.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
In the same way Democrats thought that they had Trump
by the tail and Christin Noman was going to resign
over Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the Maryland man wrongfully deported. Ask
most Americans are those who are here illegally and have
committed crimes?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Should they be deported? Answer yes?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
So again, it's oftentimes okret I want to attack Trump
on how he is doing something, the American people tend
to care more about what he is doing.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
There was this blow up a few days ago that
I'll tie these things together in a moment with those
I think it was six Democrat members of Congress who
put out this video encouraging members of the military not
to follow illegal orders, which probably most members of the
military already know.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And then at least three of them that.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I saw were asked on TV, well, can you name
an illegal order?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
That Trump gave and none of them could.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Now it sort of feels like this is their little
crack there to say, oh, we told you so, right,
we told you so.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Here's an illegal order.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And that's why that's why I wonder if this might
stick a little bit more than the process they are
talking about, but also because it's kind of aiming more
at Hegseethan and less a Trump.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
But you think it won't.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
No, And to your point, the New York Times now
reporting gives heg Seth even more breathing room on this.
This is this is a case where once again Democrats
think they have the proverbial bull by the horns or
by something else, and they are going to get him
this time, whether it's Heagseth or Gnome or any other
(03:16):
one of the or Bondie, whoever it is, and that's
going to get them to Trump.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
And every time, it's like Lucy and the football.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
They think they have it and then all of a
sudden more facts come out and it gets far murkier.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
And I shudder to.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Think now at the discussion of all of these congressional inquiries,
if we're going to start having congressional hearings about every
order that a general or admiral gave.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
That is going to be a terrible thing in America.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
And the biggest danger of that video that the Democrats
put out, and I said it at the time, was
that it's going to have a chilling effect on general's,
admirals and everybody down in the chain of command.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Basically, if I don't.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Like the order you gave, now I'm going to haul
you before Congress and we're gonna have hearings about it.
That is not how America has ever prosecuted wars. It's
not how America has won wars. And it is a dangerous,
dangerous thing. You do not want the Ferguson effect for
the US military.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And I'll just say again, if if the Washington Post
story just the specifics of there were two survivors and
we killed them, if that's true, don't know if it's true.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
If it's true, I do think that was illegal.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Which is separate from saying whether it's important.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Respectfully, none of us have any idea because in order
to make that qualification, you have to know what the
video was showing. You have to know exactly what position
the boat was in. You have to know whether there
were weapons present. You have to know whether or not
the boat was able to be moved. You have to
know whether there was reports of other cartel members coming
(04:59):
to save that vote, and we don't know any of that.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
That's all true.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
That's why I specified if the story is first reported
is true where you have a couple of guys like
hanging on smoldering wreckage. But let me just finish my
point and then you can agree or disagree. I care
more about the rule of law than I care about
blowing up those guys. It doesn't trouble me that people
like that get what's coming to them, right I just
(05:27):
in my mind, I think, well, if a cop saw
someone who they're pretty sure was dealing drugs, you know,
maybe running away from a car accident, just as an
example today, I'm pretty sure that person's been dealing with drugs, so.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I'm gonna shoot them like that would be murder. And
I think this is kind of similar.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I sense that you're quite skeptical though, and I like
it when we disagree.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Well, yes, I add to that. If you want to
talk about the rule of law, ross the rules of
war in international waters with people who the president of
the United States as commander in chief have deemed a
danger to America. I don't know if it's the clear
(06:13):
and present statue, but it's under the terrorism statue. That
is a different standard than and rules of engagement than
police are held to as they engage in police activity
in the United States.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Those are two very different things.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
A soldier can kill someone on the battlefield without probable cause. Okay,
so you're conflating wildly different things. If we want to
say that there is such a thing as in illegal
order and that ordering innocent combatants who have been taken
off the battlefield killed specifically ordering that to that to
(06:57):
that effect, without any other outside issues or facts, and
we want to adjudicate that, go adjudicate it.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
But my point being is is that.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
From a much larger sense, I forget the hypothetical of
if everything the Washington Post says is true, because that's
rarely a path anyone has been successful going down Ross.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
I'm saving you here, right, Okay.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
In a larger sense, we've seen this play before, which
is salacious. Story comes out that appears to blow up
everything Trump administration is doing, and everybody goes glombs onto it. Oh,
the rule of law, Oh, international law, Oh due process,
Oh how can you deport someone who's just a Maryland
(07:50):
father with two kids? And then it turns out that
he was beating his wife in an MS thirteen gang member.
Things get a lot more complicated. Oh and by the way,
he had a final order of deportation.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
And suddenly the game to.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Impeach Christy Nome is over and Democrats are being told
by their congressional caucus stop going down to Al Salvador
and making this guy a hero. That's we've seen his
play before, so un tell I know that it's a
different play.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I'm gonna keep looking at it that way.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Give me a few seconds on what you have coming
up on your show tonight other than this story.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Oh, my favorite story of the week. It turns out
Marilyn Monroe might have been killed.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
What yeah, Oh my gosh. Oh it's amazing, folks.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You got to tone into on balance with Leland Vendor
tonight on News Nation seven pm Mountain Time, replays at
ten pm Mountain Time. Go to Warnoes dot com and
subscribe to Leland's fantastic daily email. It will definitely make
you smarter. Thanks for being here, Leland. As always appreciate
it all right, Chez Ross.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
See yeah,
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