12-22-25 A Broncos loss; Epstein files; Xmas week; Faith Winter DUI

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
That a sweater kind of yeah, sweater.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
I saw you yesterday with with husband at the at
the ball game.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Yeah, I didn't know you guys were hanging out there
not that.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Close before kickoff. Well, you guys spend some time out
on main Street.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Before we did, but it wasn't we weren't really hanging
out Nick and Nick Ferguson is going to join us
near the end of the show and talk about being
on the sidelines and his thoughts on the game and
all that, but he had to go do something over there.
I didn't I didn't even know what Main Street was.
I never heard of it before.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's a fun area. It is a fun area.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
They also had too live reindeer there for some reason
yesterday I.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Only say for some reason it's Christmas.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
But yeah, literally on main Street, they had a little
corraled area and Main Street, if you don't know, is
an an an e. Yeah, and it's right outside in
power Field and they do all this, you know, the
brown because cheerleaders are there in the band and all
that fun stuff. But they had too live reindeer in
this little corral that were like playing around with a
Christmas tree.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
So that was fun to see.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Wow, that sounds the reindeer sounds. What's the word delicious?

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I think I've eaten reindeer? Really, you know where I
eat reindeer. This is a very strange thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
At the airport in Helsinki, Finland, at the airport restaurant,
because they eat reindeer up there in all those Nordic
spanol off places.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
It was tasty, was it? Really? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:20):
You should see the look on Gina's face right now.
All right, So that's what we've both learned. We've each
learned something about reindeer. In the first minute of this shows, Hey,
can I I want to mention one market thing. Gina
just did a little money and market's updates. But just

(01:42):
as a as a bit of potential interest for for folks,
you may wonder why the stock market is open on
days like let's say that the day after Christmas this year,
just as an example, right, because Christmas is a Thursday
this year, and obviously the market's closed on Thursday, and

(02:04):
you'll probably thinking to yourself, why would they even bother
being open on Friday? And often on days like Friday
or like Christmas. Even I haven't actually checked the schedule,
so I don't know what's what this year. But oftentimes
they'll do a half day, right, and they'll trade for
three hours and then they'll call it a day. And
you might ask yourself, why do they even bother with that?

(02:27):
And I just thought, so this may be urban legend,
but this is what I was told back when I
was trading in Chicago. For those who you know, don't know,
that's my previous careers, waving my hands and yelling on
a trading floor in.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Chicago, trading mostly stock options.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
But anyway, my understanding is that back during the big
crash in nineteen twenty nine, the stock market was closed
because officials wanted, you know, they saw this panic out there,

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and they wanted to keep the market closed so people
wouldn't be able to just flood the market with their
sell orders. And they thought it would bring a little
bit of stability to the market if we just were
going to keep it closed for several days and people
will calm down and then the market will be, you know,
more stable, things will be more orderly. People running markets

(03:24):
always liked things orderly, and so and so they did that,
and they closed.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
The market, and.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
It didn't work because as soon as the market reopened,
instead of that time having caused people to think, you know, okay,
let's just take a deep breath, everything will be okay,
let's just settle down right. Instead, what happened was all
these people who had been thinking about selling and maybe

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weren't sure whether they were going to sell or not.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
They were undering kind of.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Watching how things would play out. What happened was they decided, Wow,
I better sell well while I can, because I don't
know if there's going to be some point now where
the government is going to prevent me from being able
to access the market and not sell when I want to,
like they just did.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
And so it caused this massive.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Flood of sell orders, probably much bigger than it otherwise
would have been, because rather than creating a sense of
stability and orderliness, it created a sense of capriciousness by
the regulators, who investors and traders would think, you know what,
they might shut this down at any time. And so

(04:44):
I don't know if it's a rule. I don't think
it's a law. I could be wrong anyway, there's some
kind of something in place where the market, the stock
market is never closed for more than three days in
a row, including a weekend, so you can have a holiday,

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like if there's lots of holidays that are always on
a Monday, right, so you can have Saturday, Sunday, Monday.
That's closed all right, three days, but that Tuesday can't
be closed at least.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Not for the whole day.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Got to be open for some of the day, or
the friday before got to be open for some of
the day.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
So in case you.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Were wondering, why are they even bothering being open on
any of these other I think they can't be closed
two business days in a row. Actually, I think that's
the thing. I think they can't be closed two business
days in a row. And I think I think that
the only time they've been closed two business days in
a row since then was nine to eleven, and I

(05:41):
was involved with that, and I was involved with that
in the sense of I was a trader at that time.
We had employees on all these exchanges, and everything shut
down for I forget how many days, and then a
lot of stuff other than New York opened, and a
lot of the trading that was going to go on
in New York took place in Philadelphia and some other places.

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But anyway, I don't know I started with that, but
I just thought i'd mention it to you. So let's
talk briefly about the so called Epstein files. So as
you recall that there was a law passed about a
month ago that required the Department of Justice to release
everything they had about Epstein.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
I think they had an exception.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Like they could redact some names to protect victims, and
a couple other very narrow exceptions like that, but generally
they're supposed to release everything. And Friday was the deadline.
This past Friday, at eleven fifty nine PM, and some
hours before that, during the afternoon, the Department of Justice
released their first trunch of stuff, something like three hundred

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thousand documents, which is a lot. Many of those documents
had been released previously.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
But not all.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
There were some things that were massively redacted, and we'll
get to that in a second. There were also a
lot of pictures that came out, and I will say,
you know who's getting the worst of these pictures is
definitely Bill Clinton. Now there's a lot of famous people
in a lot of these pictures, with Jeffrey Epstein, the

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now deceased, disgusting pedophile, but Michael Jackson is in these pictures,
Kevin Spacey, Mick Jagger, one or two pictures of Donald Trump,
but actually not much. And I think I'll just say
as an aside, that much of the attention on this,
especially from the political left, who never cared about the

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Epstein files, but decided that they did after Donald Trump
expressed some hesitancy about releasing information. The Democrats seem to
care about this because they hope that Donald Trump shows
up in these things in some way that will be
very detrimental to Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
There has never been.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Any evidence that that was likely to happen that way.
There has never been evidence that Donald Trump was involved
with Epstein in any way other than a couple of
rich guys in New York hanging out and yeah, maybe
going out on double dates with whatever young ish but
not underage women they went out with in public. But

(08:20):
Donald Trump abandoned his friendship slash business relationship with Jeffrey
Epstein before this stuff about Epstein came out, and for
unrelated reasons.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
It's actually not entirely unrelated.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
At least some of the story suggests that Trump got
mad at Epstein because Epstein's henchman, Galaine Maxwell, stole at
least one of Trump's employees to go do what Epstein
was doing with these girls, although I don't think Trump
had an inkling that that's what Epstein was doing with them.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Anyway, so far, there really isn't anything on Trump. Maybe
a picture of.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Him standing at a cocktail party or something which we've
seen before. I'll tell you there's a bunch of stuff
with former Prince Andrew and I mentioned the Michael Jackson
and all that. A guy named Peter Mandelson who was
the British ambassador of the United States. This is an
interesting one actually, So after the details came out about
how how friendly this guy was with Epstein, Mandalsh was

(09:20):
fired as UK's ambassador of the United States. And it's
not just because he was friends, it's because he stayed
friends with Epstein after these charges came out, and after
he absolutely positively knew what Epstein was charged with, he
stayed close with him, and Mandelsson said quote, I regret
very very deeply, indeed carrying on that association with him
for far longer than I should have done, very English

(09:43):
phraseology I should have done. But I will say the
worst is Bill Clinton. There are so many pictures of
Bill Clinton, like in a swimming pool with some girl
near him and lyon, you know, lying back in a
hot tub with his hands behind his head like this
like this, and anybody else who can see me through
the window. But I know it's a little dark, right,

(10:04):
but like leaning back like that with his hands behind
his head in a hot tub, and there's a in
the picture.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
There's a black square blacking out.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
The face of some girl who's in thet or woman.
I don't know how old the person is in the
hot tub with him, And it's just so gross. You
just feel like ooh when you see these pictures. It
is absolutely perfect Bill Clinton. That said, you know, there's
still no evidence that Bill Clinton actually did anything wrong.
There's no evidence that Bill Clinton did anything with any

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of these underage girls. And as far as Bill Clinton
not being able to keep it in his pants generally speaking,
or being a sort of unsavory character, as far as
any of that goes, I don't think he has much
reputation left to damage. Listener text, good morning Ross and Gina.
And the Colorado weather experience, or maybe that's the Colorado

(10:56):
wind experience. Is this yeah, yeah, So just so folks know,
if you're textinging about German wind music.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Dragon is off for the rest of the year.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
We've got producer Shannon who will not understand the joke,
and I'm not going to explain it to him right now.
And even though Dragon is off for for the week,
I'm going to pass on this listener text which is
actually too Gina. Do you think Dragon is going to
blame Ross for the Broncos loss? Oh, I know.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
I wasn't sure if that was a touchy subject we're
going to go into that or not.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
He actually blamed me speak and said it was because
I didn't wear a Broncos shirt on Friday. But they've
won when I haven't worn a Broncos shirt, So I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
And you were and I was there.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Working the sideline, Mike, you were listening to the game.
I do have the game like you're listening when you're
holding the paramount, right.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
So I did everything I could do. The Jaguars are
just better than me.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yesterday, I was sitting next to some Jags fans. Really,
I said, hey, former Jacksonville resident, good luck.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
I heard what you were talking about.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
So before the game, before the games, during the warm ups,
it actually was just as the Jacksonville team was going
back into the locker room after their warm ups before
the official started the game. I heard all these people
on the what is it now, I don't know, east.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Side in the Jags uniforms, and it sounded like they
were yelling boo. Sounds like a booth. It sounds like
a boo, but it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
And I looked at him so I could see their
mouths and I could see what they were saying.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Douvall, Douval County, where Jacksonville is. So I heard it,
which is weird to say anywhere else because nobody knows
what Duvall is, right, And it's so funny because when
I was living in Jacksonville, they shouted all the.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Time, not just at Jags games. So I would be
at a concert people would.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Be shouting Duval and literally the artists on stage would.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Go, are you are you booing us?

Speaker 3 (12:52):
They literally thought, like, it sounds like a boo.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
No matter when you did someone explain it to the musician. No,
probably not, probably not.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
No. All right, let me do something that's less fun
than that, but needs to be talked about briefly. And
I want to be careful about this, maybe a little
more sensitive than I normally am. And this is not
intended in the spirit if I told you so, but
rather in the spirit of let's not.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Let this happen to other people.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
So the evening before Thanksgiving, State Senator Faith Winter died
in an accident on I twenty five. And what happened
was there was a previous accident I twenty five north
bound at Dry Creek, Ish. There was a previous accident

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that caused traffic to be stopped on I twenty five,
and Faith Winter rear ended a stopped flatbed truck and died.
One interesting side note on this story that I'm trying
to get some clarification on from the Sheriff's office is

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that it has been reported that the truck that she
hit did not have functioning tail lights, and the Sheriff's
office has determined that that truck was being operated in
what they call due regard, and therefore no charges are

(14:29):
being filed against the driver of that truck. I don't
know what due regard means in that context.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Doesn't mean he had flashing lights. Was it a you know,
a work.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Truck that had flashing lights on it or some other
way to identify what what did. And if you're in
law enforcement, can you please text me text us at
five sixty sixty nine zero and and tell me what
in due regard means in that context. In any case,
there was no show on She died the day before Thanksgiving.

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There was no show on Thanksgiving the day after Thanksgiving.
I talked about this a little bit and I said, look, I.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Said this very quickly. I didn't dwell on it.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
And I said, we know that Faith Winter has had
significant struggles with alcohol. She's been drunk at the state Capitol,
She's been drunk at events. She checked herself into rehab
last year. This is a well known thing. It's not
my speculation as far as that goes. I said, it
wouldn't surprise me, since we're talking about the evening before Thanksgiving,

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the evening before a holiday. It wouldn't surprise me if
she if we found out that she was driving drunk.
And a couple of listeners literally only too. But I'll
mention them anyway, chastised me for saying that. They said,
you shouldn't have said that. You might be right, you

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still shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Have said it.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Why would you even say that? Like, you don't know,
And I was careful when I said it. I said,
I don't know, but Akham's razor would point you in
that direction with somebody who was known to have a
significant problem. And I was talking with a friend of
mine who served in the state legislature and knows faith Winter.
And I asked my friend, what are the chances that

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she was driving under the influence of.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Alcohol when she died?

Speaker 2 (16:18):
And my friend said ninety nine percent based on what
I know of faith Winter.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
And we learned late on Friday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
By the way, interesting they put it out on a
Friday afternoon before Christmas week. I don't know if they're
trying to bury the news or that's just when they
learned the results.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
But I suspect they had the results a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
That faith Winner's blood alcohol concentration was zero point one
point eight five, which is two point three times the
legal limit. The limit is point zero eight she was
point one eight point one eight five. And I'm not
here to tell you I told you so. I am
here to ask that if you are having this kind
of trouble with alcohol or that if someone you love,

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is that you get help or you get them help
so that we don't have more people leaving two teenage
children without their mother.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I hope you had a wonderful weekend.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Hope it was a little better than the Broncos weekend
that probably could have gone a little better for them.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
But as Gena and I.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Were talking about at the beginning of the show, we're
going to focus on the positive that this team has
been doing so well and it was so great. Actually,
I wasn't gonna talk about Broncos here, but I'm going
to for a second. So I saw Gina and her husband,
whose name I'm allowed to use on the air but won't.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Anyway, wandering around.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Nick Ferguson and I were walking around outside the stadium
to answer your question before he had to pick up
some tickets for his wife that were out there at
Main Street, so that's why we were out there. But
just the whole vibe of walking through this crowd of
people wearing all their Broncos gear, and I saw you
had a Broncos shirt and a Broncos jacket on, but
all these people wearing their Broncos jersey and smiling, happy,

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shiny people was just what a great feeling to be,
you know, because you know, I've been doing this for
a while, going to the Broncos, doing the sideline.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Mics for a while when I would go in.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Expecting that we were going to lose, and yeah, we
lost yesterday, but it's just awesome to be around a
winning team like that.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
The energy at the tailgate is amazing because you have
people that are excited to be there and people that
have always been there, and the combination of both, which
is really nice to see because you have the diehard Broncos, right, win, lose, whatever,
but then you have people like me who are like,
I want to check out the tailgate because I don't
have an opportunity to.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Do that very often.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
And the cheery on top is Jags fans do not
very travel very well, so there was very few.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
That they just don't traveling. Yeah, okay, so the.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Ones that are there are very very outspoken and made.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Sure that they were heard.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
But I didn't see a lot of teal in that
stadium or at the tailgate by end.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
No, Right, it wasn't like the Packers game. Right, The
Packers game was full of Packer fans. Listener text, I've
been eating reindeer hot dogs at Biker gyms before he
hit a brick and mortar building when he was just
a cart on Sixteenth Street.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
Mall.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
So, Gina, maybe you can check with biker gyms and
see if they still have reindeer hot dogs, and then
you can go try reindeer for the first time.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
I'm good, I'll pass.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
I just saw them yesterday on Main Street.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
They were vegetarian anyway.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
I mean, if there was a tough, furky version of reindeer,
sure I could bring him. Yeah, let's do a different thing, Gina,
and I saw this story last week. Didn't talk about it,
but I like it, and it seems to have struck
a chord with you. This thing about about the Trump
administration looking to put Trump's face on National Park passes

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and then an.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Artist in Boulder looking to cover up his face.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Oh my gosh, it's a It's a fascinating story because
I'll be honest, I wasn't aware that they could be
changing the annual park past to have President Trump's face
until I saw the story about a Boulder artist creating
stickers to cover it.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
So this is now starting a whole lawsuit.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
The Center for Biological Diversity is suing the Department of
Interior and Department of Agriculture, because they're planning to change
the annual National Park Pass to have President Trump's face
on it, but federal law actually requires that the pass
features a winning photo every year of the National Parks
Foundation Annual Photo Contest. It sounds like twenty twenty six,

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it's supposed to have Montana's Glacier National Park and every
year you buy a different pass and it has a
different photo on it. Well, it sounds like the plans
are this eighty dollars annual pass would have President Trump's
face on it. So a Boulder artist, Jenny McCarty, she's
creating artwork stickers. They're six bucks and they fit the

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annual park pass where you could still see all your
information and stuff like that, but they're perfectly covering up
President Trump's face. And she has sold over a thousand
of them already and every dollar, she says, is going
back to the National Park Foundation, which is pretty cool.
But she's creating all this artwork that has animals on it,

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that has nature scenes on it, that has their.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
National parks on it, similar to what the National Park
past looks like. So I have not my park past.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
I think is good for a couple more months, because
how it works is like it's not calendar year. You
show up, you buy a park pass in February, it
goes till next.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
February the following February. So I have no.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Idea what they look like right now, or if people
have already purchased them, or if they look different, because
I have a feeling you also have to make these
kind of ahead of time, so people have the newest
twenty twenty six ready to go.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Well, the other thing that's interesting about this, what I'm
reading in another article that you sent.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Is that it's far from clear that it's legal for
the Trump administration.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, and that you know, under federal law, they're supposed
to show particular things in the face of the president.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Isn't one of them.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, Yeah, it's definitely supposed to have this whole photo
contest where they highlight some different national park and apparently
the Interior Department did say, we're going to create new designs,
We're going to monetize the graphics. It's going to feature bold,
patriotic designs that honor America's landscapes, nothing about having President
Trump on them.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
So yeah, I think by law like you said, it's
supposed to be a contest. I think generally they're supposed
to have the animals, but I don't know if you're
allowed to just have like our beautiful mountains from Rocky
Mountain National Park.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
But for some reason, I thought they were supposed to
show animals on them, or they usually do.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
It looks like I haven't looked at it in my wallet, actually.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
But where's your wallet out there on the eric. Well
you might have to get it during the break and
then come back and tell take.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
A look at what looks like.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Because the Boulder artist is purposely using you know, wildlife
and nature and stuff like that. And I just think
it's hilarious that six bucks and people probably don't even
have their park passes yet and they're like, fine, I'll
buy the sticker.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Let's do it.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
You imagine like there's lots of people all pick on Boulder,
Like there's probably one hundred and seventy three percent of
people in Boulder don't ever want to see Donald Trump's face, right,
But what a brilliant business for a Boulder, for a
Boulder artist, because you can't you know for sure that
when these people go to Rocky Mountain, National Parker's Zion
or Bryce Canyon or wherever they're going, and they pulled

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the card out of their wallet. They're not going to
want to see Donald Trump looking at them. So what
a what a brilliant business idea?

Speaker 1 (23:26):
All right?

Speaker 3 (23:26):
So I also have no idea what this bird is
that is on the twenty twenty five. The big pink,
flying beak, long beak bird. Wow, that's the twenty five?
Could that be that sand Hill crane thing?

Speaker 1 (23:42):
I don't know. It looks from here, what is it?
White with a lot of.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Pink, almost like flamingo pink, but not the whole body,
just part of it.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah, flamingo pink, really really wide wings and then it
has like a long, flat bill to it, and it's
got a little bit of blue at the end of
the bill.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Huh. If anybody knows what that is?

Speaker 2 (23:59):
From genus description and text us at five six six
nine zero.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Meanwhile, she's gonna go find her park past and tell
us what's on it. And when we come back.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Conversation with Dave Logan about yesterday's Broncos game. Ross on
the News with Gina got producer Shannon behind the Glass
today Broncos didn't win yesterday. It's okay, still a great
season going joining us talk about it. Voice of the
Broncos Dave Lessigan and Dave, I want to just jump

(24:31):
right in. We're not really used to the Broncos losing
the second half of a.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Game, but it kind of seemed like they did.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Did you feel like the Jaguars made better halftime adjustments?

Speaker 5 (24:46):
Well, I don't know that they made all that many
second half adjustments. I just thought I thought the game
plan for Jacksonville was really good right from the start.
The Broncos got five sacks, but I thought Trevor Lawrence
stood in there and and made a lot of throws.
I mean, that's a good football team, no doubt about that.
And I think we saw that yesterday.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Okay, So Dave, I mean people might be waking up
this morning a little down trotted. I mean, we haven't
coped with a loss in months, which.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Is nice to say.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
But can you shine maybe some other positives that you
would take away from this game.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
I think in terms of positive I would say the
way that R. J. Harvey played was a positive. I
thought he ran the ball well, had that thirty nine
yard touchdown, run caught the ball at four catches I
think for seventy one yards. So if there was a
positive in that game, I would look to the rookie
running back, and again, I think he continues to improve

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every single week.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Dave, what is something that you think the Broncos can
take away from that game as far as a lesson
to learn going into the playoffs anything anything like that.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean you learned that you've
got to be ready every single week.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Those guys knew that though.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
I mean, you've got two games left.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
You got to find a way to win both those games,
and if you do, you win the West and you're
the number one seed. And I think the Broncos if
you'd have told them that in July, I think they
would have said, yes, where do we sign up for that?
So that's what I would learn about yesterday's game day
being in.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
The crowd yesterday, I mean, there was a number of
times where it really felt like the Broncos country was arguing.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
About some of those refs play calls.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
There was some chants that were not so nice to
the refs being chanted. But honestly, that Trevor Lawrence hit
was a pretty ugly one when we saw that late hits.
So when it comes to just the number of calls
that we saw with the res, did you think that
the officiating was maybe unfair at times?

Speaker 5 (26:51):
I mean, you're always going to find fault with the refs, right,
It's easy. You know, the hit in the back from
PJ law On Trevor Lawrence. They're going to call that
probably one hundred times out of one hundred. They're there
to protect the quarterback. You know, hard to blame PG
on that because you really couldn't hear that the play

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been blown dead. I mean, normally I can hear a
whistle blown calling the action there, and I couldn't hear
the whistle, so quite certain PJ couldn't as well.

Speaker 6 (27:20):
But I think that that call is going to be made.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
They're always going to be called made in the game
where you look back and say, man, oh man, we
didn't get the benefit of.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
This or that.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
I thought the roughing the passer penalty was a tough one. Again,
the referee is there to protect the quarterback and he's
going to do it every single opportunity that he gets.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
A chance to.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
All Right, So Dave, now we've got a short week,
We've got a game in Kansas City on Christmas. What
are your thoughts as we head toward that game.

Speaker 5 (27:52):
Well, I think that game coming up on Thursday is
an absolute must win. You know, you got to find
a way to be a team that is out of
the playoffs and really has nothing to play for except
they would love to be able to knock you down
a rung or two. So very important game. I think
from a player standpoint, it's tough to get a turnaround

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and play a Thursday night game. From a physical standpoint,
I'm anxious to see sort of what the injury report
looks like. Drake Greenlaw with the hamstring injury, that's problematic
trying to get him ready for Thursday night. And you
know we're all concerned about Pat as well, so Pat Bryant,
So we'll see what happens. But that, to me, that's
a must win on Thursday night.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Yeah, that Pat brian head at the end of the
game was a tough way to end it for sure,
And we'll talk more with it about it with Broncos
sideline reporter Susie Worten later on this morning Voice of
the Broncos. It's Dave Logan, Dave, appreciate your time as always,
and Ross coming up. We will also have take a
good way not for the Chiefs or for the Chargers
home game coming up as well.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Which is likely to be a very important game. That
game could end up deciding who wins the AFC West. Yeah,
we'll be giving tickets away in just ten minutes and
then again an hour after that, so keep it here
on k Away. We got your news, weather, and traffic
coming up right.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Now Koway and HI hard radio stations guaranteed.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Human All right, if you were listening to the Broncos
game yesterday here on KOWA, you heard a promise that
we were going to give away tickets for the Broncos
Chargers game at seven oh five, and I am sorry.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
We are.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
We're doing that right.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Now, and we're also gonna give away another pair of
tickets in an hour. And just so we're all clear
what we're giving away here, the winner will get a
pair of tickets. A pair means two to the Broncos
Chargers game. We do not yet know the date. It
is either Saturday, January third or Sunday, January fourth.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
The NFL will make that.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Decision based on how they want things to be on television,
based on which games are most important, and so on,
going in to uh, you know, heading into the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
So at some point we will know what the date is. Now.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Producer Shannon likes taking phone calls, so we're going to
do this by phone rather than buy text and in
order to make sure that people who are listening on
the stream have a chance to win. Here's how we
are going to do this. As I'm speaking to you
right now, it's about seven oh six.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
What we are.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Going to say is that, uh, let's do call Let's Shannon,
let's do caller number two at seven eleven am, even
though that's not a prime number. I'm sorry to do that,
but I'm just being expedient. Caller number two at seven
eleven am, who can properly answer this question?

Speaker 1 (30:52):
How long ago before yesterday?

Speaker 2 (30:54):
How long ago was the last time the Broncos lost
a game?

Speaker 4 (30:57):
All right?

Speaker 2 (30:58):
The second caller to give you the right answer, and
I'll tell you what the right answer is if you
don't know it, but I mean, Channon, I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
I'll tell listeners later after somebody wins.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
But seven eleven the second caller three oh three seven
to one, three eighty five eighty five. Is the number
three oh three, seven to one, three eighty five eighty five.
Second caller with the right answer to that question. How
long has it been since the Broncos lost a game before?

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yes, old game, not home, not away, any game, a game,
any any game, any game. Well, we we can give
them a clue. It was it was an away game,
all right.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
It wasn't away game because the last we So we're
not spoiling anything here, the last time they lost a
home game was when Gino we.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Talked about this. It's a pop quiz. Oh, it's a
pop quiz.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
When's the last time they lost a home game last
paying attention?

Speaker 4 (31:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:49):
No, I was now last October, last October. Yeah, last October. Uh,
pretty incredible.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Okay, so the last time they lost the game wasn't
away game, so anyway? Seven eleven Caller number two three
zero three seven eighty five eighty five. All right, Gina,
let's do this other thing for Oh wait a minute, No,
I want to go back.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
To our.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
National Park pass thing. Did you get your National Park pass? Oh,
there's your wallet.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
I did grab my National Park pass out of my wallet, okay,
and uh, some Texters actually did have this bird right
from the description we were just giving on the air.
So we were talking about the photo that is on
the current twenty twenty five America the Beautiful Annual Park
Pass Okay, and it is a rose eight spoon bill

(32:34):
from a photo from Everglades National Park And it actually
has the photographer's name on it, Michael Zeng and Everglades
National Park with this really pretty pink bird with a
long bill spoon bill and yeah, so this is this
is what it currently looks like. And apparently the twenty
twenty six version we'll have President Trump's face on it,

(32:54):
when usually the national park passes have a photo from
a national park.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Contest Texter had a good point.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
That I was going to bring up, will the sticker
because we talked about how a bolder artist is creating
a sticker to cover President Trump's face?

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Will it invalidate your perk pass?

Speaker 2 (33:12):
And I'm guessing the answers no, because all the relevant
information about it is on the back, So as long
as they scan that.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
The only thing I could see that they might question
is at the top. You can see there's a whole
punch they punched the month where you first bought it. Yeah,
so I bought mine in April, which means it'll go
until April twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
So the sticker may cover.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Up the little hole punch, so they probably should make
sure the sticker doesn't cover up a punch. So would
you prefer to see Donald Trump looking at you or
a roseate spoon Bill?

Speaker 1 (33:42):
You don't have to answer that question. I don't really prefer.
I prefer to see the bird has nothing to do
with Donald Trump when I'm going to a national park.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Nature has nothing to do with the president. Any president
could be any president. The answer is the same. Love
that's a lovely bird, by the way, on that, and
they often have funny little furry animal and things like that.
So anyway, at some point, by the way, I just
at some point Trump is like trolling people. I'm gonna
put my name on my face on everything. But at

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some point it's enough. I kind of think it's enough now.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
I like how one texter said it should just be
Mount Rushmore, but it should have president, right.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
I also think, by the way, wouldn't have surprised me one
bit if Trump didn't even know about this, right, if
just somebody at the Department of whatever, Department of the Interior,
said let's just let's just do this thing.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, so there's that. All right. Let me update you
on another piece of news.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
So if you pay some attention to judicial goings on
in the state of Colorado, you will have heard of
State Supreme Court.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Justice Melissa Hart.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Melissa Hart is stepping down from the State Supreme Court.
She has been absent from work for a couple.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Of months now. She's been absent from work for a couple.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Of months, and she has said, you know, some health
issues going on, and now she's announced that she's retiring.
The retirement is not effective until next January. I'm not
sure why. It's been a little bit odd because she
has said she's battling continuing health concerns and I'm quoting

(35:27):
arising from the two concussions I meaning she suffered in
the spring of twenty twenty five, and at some point
it kind of seemed like she just wasn't showing up
to work and she should have resigned back then. But
to put a kinder spin on it, I think maybe
what was going on is that she was hoping that
her health issues would get better and that she would

(35:49):
get back to work. And now it seems like her
health issues aren't getting better and she's not getting back
to work. So she's got a couple more weeks now
to sort of wrap things up, and then State Supreme
Court Justice Melissa Hart will be off the off the bench.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Oh that's good, Gina. You want to update on this,
tell us what you're just seeing.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yeah, our partners at Fox thirty one just said that
Pat Bryant has been released from the hospital. It didn't
say what the source was, but it said Pat Bryant
has been released from the hospital and the injury.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Was a concussion. Concussion.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
So when we heard coach Don Peyton say he was
able to move his arms and legs at the post
press conference yesterday, that was the first good sign because
obviously that hit looked really bad. He was carried off
on a stretcher and card it off the field at
the end of the Broncos Jags game yesterday. So seeing
that he was released from the hospital.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
It is great.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, great, I only saw so Gine and I were
both in the stadium yesterday, and in the stadium when
there's a play where someone gets injured, unlike on television.
They do not show a replay of it, so I
only saw it the one time. But I will say
it wasn't an illegal hit, but it really caused his
head to snap back, his nep to snap snap, cut back,

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kind of like a like a car accident, whiplash.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Sort of thing. So I was a little concerned about
a necad injury high in the air at the time.
That's just the way that the hit hit. It looked.
It looked beast.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Such good news that he's out of the hospital already,
that's fantastic. And then to just finish up my previous thing.
So at some point here we will have the governor
of Colorado picking a new state Supreme Court justice. I
hope he picks one a little more moderate than Melissa Hart.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Although I don't expect that we are still working.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I have no confirmation yet one way or another to
trying to get the Secretary of Energy on the show
this morning.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Will we'll see.

Speaker 7 (37:37):
Well.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
The answer to the trivia answer the trivia question was
the trivia question.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Itself was when's the last time a Broncos lost a
game before yesterday?

Speaker 1 (37:46):
And do you know the answer to that one?

Speaker 5 (37:47):
Gina?

Speaker 1 (37:48):
I bet you do.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Did you need the exact day, yes, I need the well, no,
the listener didn't have to give the exact day, but
there is a very specific answer. That's quite easy. Three
three what three months? Yeah, three months to the day, right,
it was September twenty first they lost the game, and
then December twenty first they lost the next game. So
that's not bad, not bad. We're kind of spoiled, kind

(38:11):
of spoiled. I think what's that they lost to the
Charge They lost to the Chargers to the rematch? Yeah, yeah,
that last game of the year could be very, very
important because we lost yesterday. The Chargers won yesterday, and
it's it's not impossible for the Chargers to end up
winning the division, but the Broncos definitely hold their own

(38:32):
fate in their hands. Let me just do two kind
of sort of related stories. A listener sent in a text, Actually,
listeners sent in a couple of texts, Raw, are you
going to address the huge power outage that Excel did
the customers last week? And then listeners sent in again.

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Probably over one hundred thousand people were impacted for four
days last week. Many people lost food, suffered in the cold.
I had no power. This listener says, I had no
power for seventy two out of ninety six hours. Big
economic impact on people's personal lives, besides the stress of
not being able to know if you can get up
and take a shower.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
So look, let me. I don't know that I have
a lot to add to this, I.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Will say, and I mentioned this to Gina earlier in
the show, I was surprised how long the power outages lasted.
And Gina has been reporting on how there's a few
sort of straggling power outages going on right now, but
most of the big ones are done. And in a moment, Gina,
you can add to that, although we're almost out a
time here, but if you want to add anything of

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that in a couple seconds, I'll just say I was
surprised at how many power how many people lost power
in places that they said they probably wouldn't cut power off,
like Adams County, for example, And then how long it lasted.
And I don't know why it happened, And I suppose
I could try to get an answer, although I don't
know it's a great use of anybody's time right now now,

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but I do hope that just generally speaking, you would
think that in a place like this, power outages wouldn't
last that long. And I do feel bad for people
who did lose power for more than a few hours,
because I thought for people who did it would only
be the duration of the windstorm.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Genena, do you want to add anything.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
There's about a thousand customers who are still without power
this morning. Earlier it showed that restoration was supposed to
be around six o'clock.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Obviously that's no longer the case.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
I'm seeing closer to noon and two o'clock, and it's
still mainly around the Evergreen and Boulder areas. But yeah,
I think it was the ripple effect of having two
waves of major windstorms, doing the precautions, the safety precautions
of turning some off, but then still having some areas
where you had the downfire, the down power lines on

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the Eastern Plains, they had several brushfires that caused even
more issues and things like that. So restoration did take
quite some time and is still taking quite some time
for a number of customers, especially around the holidays, where
you probably have a full fridge of a ton of
faydabt waiting for family and holiday No doubt.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
And I'll leave this topic with this listener text that
came in just a moment ago, who said, I bet
some folks unhappy about the power outage would be more
unhappy if their homes burned down.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
So that's, you know what Excel was trying to prevent.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
When we come back, Broncos sideline reporter Susie Wargen joins
the show. We got your News whether and traffic.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Right before that, he used to saying victory Monday.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Because we've been saying it for months now that it's
kind of unfortunate that we can't be saying that this morning.
But joining us on the KOA Common Spirit Health Hotline
is Broncos Sideline reporter.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
It's Susie Wargen. Susie, we appreciate your time as always.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Well, let's talk a little bit about obviously tough loss
to a good Jags team to what I think some
people may be underestimated, but talk about the sideline energy.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Talk about what we saw with the team. Is there
any reason to panic?

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Did we feel like we had anything different when it
came to just the energy you see on the sidelines
or was it just one of those tough losses and
yeah we got to lose at some point.

Speaker 7 (42:00):
Yeah, yeah, I do.

Speaker 6 (42:02):
I think it's that Gina and Ross and the energy.
It was interesting because before the game, I haven't commented
to some people, I said, man, it feels it feels
electric in here. It was just people got there early.
They were ready to go the sidelines, even just people
that were down there.

Speaker 7 (42:16):
You know, there's a lot of guests that get to
go down before the.

Speaker 6 (42:18):
Game, and it was just really amped up. There were
a lot of former Broncos down there at keeps Leeve
was down there at Kareem Jackson doing cars well, So
it just had that cool kind of There were good
alumni there, and so I had a really good vibe.
And in the first quarter the fans were deafening loud,
just like they were in the in the last game
against Green Bay. But then kind of once the game

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went on, there were times where the fans were like,
oh okay, I mean, you know, I think Will Lutsmith's
and that field goal set things on a funky tone
there at the beginning, and.

Speaker 7 (42:50):
Then things just didn't quite go their way for the rest.

Speaker 6 (42:53):
Of the game. They had some moments and I kind
of thought at some point that the Broncos would be
able to come back because we've just been so used
to that happening. I mean, I had eleven comeback win
this year, so I thought, okay, two scores, that that's doable.
But then as things went on, it became less and
less doable.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
The whole crowd, plus I think you and and I
Sugi were as soon as you were super gleaped up
for this.

Speaker 7 (43:15):
Right, it's your new favorite word.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Isn't that my new favorite word? Awarded?

Speaker 6 (43:23):
Yeah, my dad.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
But you know, it was.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Kind of interesting the sense that I got from some
of the conversations you had after the game, and also
that the guys had after the game. The Broncos were
kind of disappointed, but not super bummed out there.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I think, you know, they sort.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Of focusing on the positive and and and thinking about
making the playoffs and thinking about winning on Christmas and that.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Kind of thing.

Speaker 6 (43:50):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting.

Speaker 7 (43:52):
I talked to a few guys. There were some guys
who had some big plays.

Speaker 6 (43:55):
Qu Robinson, you know, he's a rookie and he had
that that good PD and I was like, hey man,
you know, good to see you in there, and he's like, yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
We need to win.

Speaker 6 (44:04):
And I was like, yeah, no, I know, but you know,
so I'm always trying to like find the positives and
what guy's doing. And I chatted with Malcolm Roach. He
was my interview there in the locker room, and he
had a sack and just had some really good words
of they've got to take a look at a lot
of things. Nick Benito said, I'm not playing like I
should be, and Jonathan Cooper is saying the same thing.

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So they're all saying they get.

Speaker 7 (44:26):
It, you know they and.

Speaker 6 (44:27):
They also know and I asked Malcolm this, Jacksonville's a
good team, and they just I mean they struggled tackling them,
and I mean Washington was just out of control. He
was just everywhere and they couldn't get him. And so
I think there's just going to be times when there
are just going to be teams that come in and
they're tough, and you've got to, as Sean said, you
know what, you got to swallow this one, digest it,

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figure out.

Speaker 7 (44:49):
What's going on.

Speaker 6 (44:50):
It's not just a you know, Okay, we had a loss.
It's a figure out what's happening because you've got to
get two more wins. You know hopefully, and in that
way we wrap up the AFC and could be a
top feed and then go into the postseason that way.
So it's a good gut check, reality check, whatever you
want to call it, that probably need it to happen,
and a good time for it. So there's some time

(45:10):
to make some corrections. Although not this I mean it's
quick to make corrections this week.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Quick turnaround, like you mentioned, and Coach Peyton really saying, okay,
you got to swallow it, We got to move on
from here. And so do you think the quick turnaround
is the best for the Broncos in this situation? And
on a personal note, I'm just curious if you have
a chance to talk with players of how they feel
about playing on Christmas Day? Is it a bittersweet? Is
it like a joy of playing on Christmas? Or if

(45:35):
it's like a oh I'm kind of away from my
family on this holiday.

Speaker 7 (45:39):
Yeah, no, it's a.

Speaker 6 (45:39):
Good question, and I do, first of all, I think
it's great to turn around quickly, get this one out
of your head, moving on. You know, there is not
a whole lot of time.

Speaker 7 (45:47):
Today to look at You.

Speaker 6 (45:49):
Got to look at film, but then you've got to
you know, work on getting ready for Kansas City on
Thursday night, and you know, playing on holidays it comes.

Speaker 7 (45:56):
With the territory. If you want to be.

Speaker 6 (45:57):
A professional athlete, you're to play on some holidays. And
if you're playing on holidays, that means people want to
see you. They're not going to put you there if
you're not a good team. So it usually means you're
on a good team, things are going well and there's
a reason why you're playing on those days and the families.
You know, does it stink, yeah, but you get used
to it. So we're celebrating Christmas on Friday with our

(46:18):
family and it's just kind of what we've become used to.
So to me, it's exciting, and I think it's exciting
for the players too, because you're on primetime. You're getting
all kinds of eyeballs on you, and it's a great
time to show off to everybody what you can do.
So a lot of them will look at it like that,
and that's just it comes with the territory.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Obviously, you always want to be in control of your
own destiny, and the Broncos are And I will note
that if if the Broncos win, their next game against
a very beat up Kansas City team that's now on
their third string quarterback, and the Chargers lose, then that's it, right,
and the Broncos have won the division?

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Is that? Do I have that right? As far as
you know.

Speaker 6 (46:58):
Think you have that right, haven't. I need to look again,
because there were all kinds of the haven't come out
with all the scenarios. Yeah, but I believe that would
be the case. But you know the Chargers still keep chargings.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Yes, they do.

Speaker 6 (47:10):
One of those things where it's like yeah, and then
the Patriots win last night. I mean, it's just one
of those things where the AFC is is really it's tough,
and it's tight up at the top.

Speaker 7 (47:20):
So I need to I.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Need to look because the Chargers. The Chargers have four
losses and we only have three. So if it gets
to where we still only have three and they have
five and there's only one game.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Left, I think that'll be it.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
But anyway, where I was going with that is the
Chargers we have what should be No game is easy
in the NFL, but when you're playing against the third
string quarterback, you should win that game.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
And meanwhile, the Chargers.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Are playing the Texans who have one of the best defenses,
So we might know by next Sunday, you know that
we won the division.

Speaker 7 (47:52):
Absolutely, yeah, I know that would be that would that
would be great.

Speaker 6 (47:55):
And uh, it's Kansas City. It's just such a different
mode to see them in where they're just they're not
playing for anything this time of year, which is so
atypical that they don't have the postseason in their sights.
And third string quarterback we heard Gardner Minshew at a
torn A C'm like, who is who's third string Kansas?

Speaker 7 (48:14):
Nobody even knows, you know, who's.

Speaker 6 (48:16):
Who else is on their roster. So I think it's
going to be It could be a disappointing night for
people who are watching because it's not going to be
that big rivalry game, But it also could be Kansas City.
You know, there's not a whole lot of love between
the Broncos and the Chiefs at all, especially at Arrowhead.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Give me just a little less than a minute on
this next thing, because I was listening to you yesterday
after that hit on Pat Bryant's and I don't know
if Susie you heard the update this morning has been
released from the hospital with a concussion, but.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
He's out of the hospital.

Speaker 6 (48:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
No.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
So my my question for you was, I was very
interested in hearing you talk about Bo Nix's his reaction,
how he seemed when he was standing near that after
they hit.

Speaker 6 (49:04):
Yeah, because I don't think you and I were by
each other, so obviously you could hear that hit anywhere
that you were on the sidelines, which is just it
just is I mean it's heartbreaking and you hear that
and you're like, oh my gosh. I was standing next
to Nate Jackson and he and I looked at each
other and I thought, oh dang. Then he didn't get up,
and then Bo was literally right in front of me,
and just was I.

Speaker 7 (49:24):
Told AJ, I said, hey, Bo is devastated.

Speaker 6 (49:26):
He's sitting there with his hands on his knees, he's
got his hands on his head, he's bent over like
I mean just almost. I mean, he wasn't.

Speaker 7 (49:33):
Physically ill, but was so upset.

Speaker 6 (49:36):
And City came over and tried talking to him, and
he was still like that.

Speaker 7 (49:40):
I mean, he knew and Dave said it well on
the broadcast too, that every quarterback feels.

Speaker 6 (49:45):
Horrible when something like that happened. And Bo talked about
it in his press conference too, that.

Speaker 7 (49:50):
You know, he felt so horrible because.

Speaker 6 (49:53):
You know, guys are going to be in that position
sometimes and guys go across the middle and they're going
to be open and they're going to get those hits,
and no quarterback wants to feel that when somebody gets
hurt like that.

Speaker 7 (50:02):
That was tough to watch.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
And thank goodness, we got that news this morning that
he's out of the hospital already.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Susie Wargen leaked up as always Bronco's sideline reporter. Go
have some good barbecue in Kansas City. The food will
probably be better than the game. Hopefully we will win
it easily, although I don't want to jinx anything by
saying that too much.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Thanks for your time as always.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
You got it, guys.

Speaker 7 (50:24):
We'll talk to you after Thursday.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
All right, very good, Okay, Susie's awesome. It's always so
much fun to be on the sidelines with her. California
is looking at heavy rain, mountain snow, and here we
are with seventy two degrees in Denver, three days before Christmas.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
This is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Being on the Broncos sideline yesterday and you know, just
like a T shirt or I mean unbelievable, unbelievable. Oh,
there's some days where I absolutely love global warming.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
I do hope we get rain and snow.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
I hope for the ski resorts, I hope they get
I hope they get lots of snow for our own
snowpack and moisture and all that and and so that
Gina can ski more.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
I like that too, absolutely. But listen, I picked the
sunny side of Empower Field for yesterday's game months ago,
going Roncos Jags mid December, I.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Want the sunny side. Yeah, it's gonna be snowing, it's
gonna be freezing. I'd love to sit in the sun.
We were sweating. I was worried I was canning get
just burts.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
The entire time because the sun was just baking on us, which, honestly,
it was kind of nice, but I really expected it
to be a lot different when I bought those tickets
at the time.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
That's pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Okay, So Gina, clearly you have become a source of
advice for people like a deer abbey. You're not old
enough to know what deer abbey is. Listener, text that
we're gonna ask Gina right now Gina, If I didn't
get a gift for my cousin but he got a

(52:01):
gift for me, do I have to rush out and
get a gift for him now? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yeah? Yeah I think so.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Okay, So that's that's tough because yes, if you are
going to see your cousin again and was the gift
already exchanged?

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Sorry? Is that how it? It doesn't say? Okay? And
I mean how would you know under a Christmas tree
somewhere right your cousin said, hey, I got you a gift. Yeah, right,
you don't know what it is weekend and like and
what if your what if your cousin got you like a.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Two dollars piece of gag plastic dog poop good, and
now you're going to run out and buy your cousin,
you know, one hundred dollars gift card to a restaurant.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
So we need to know if the gift was already received, okay,
and if it was, were you going to see him
again before Christmas? Then yes, you probably should give a
gift in return or what the gift was, Like.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
You mentioned, there's a lot. Yeah, I want to say.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Yes the majority of the time, yes, because you always
feel awkward.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
If you're getting the gift and you don't have anything
in return.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Yeah, but I guess it depends on what the gift
was and if it was already given and then you
were like, and I have nothing, so m Yes.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
See, this listener asks what if you don't like your
cousin and he's a jerk?

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Yeah, that's the same thing too. I mean that's true.
All right.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
So now let's move on to another very important listener text, Ross.
Have you ever made a rose out of tissue and
given it to a girl?

Speaker 1 (53:30):
No?

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Gina, Has a guy ever done that to you? Made
a rose out of I'll expand it, made a rose
out of anything other than a rose?

Speaker 1 (53:38):
No, and given it to you?

Speaker 3 (53:40):
No?

Speaker 1 (53:40):
No?

Speaker 7 (53:41):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Would you have been impressed if a guy did that? No?

Speaker 3 (53:45):
No, my favorite gift you should have seen in his face.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
No.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
I wouldn't know what to do with it.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
I'd like unless it was like a chocolate rose, I'd
be like sweet. But if it's just like a paper rose,
what am I supposed to do with that?

Speaker 1 (53:58):
I'm not a huge things person.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
I don't like having a lot of stuff, So if
it's just another thing that I'm.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Like oh, thanks all.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
My favorite gift that was given by my husband was
he took a box of chocolates for Valentine's Day. But
when you opened it, it wasn't a box of chocolates.
It was a bunch of mozzarella sticks. It was amazing
because I love mozzarella sticks.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
So that's your thing. I mean, it's chocolate reistics.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Are you serious if I got no? I mean, he
he knows you, so he's like, he knows you're.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Going to dig that.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
But if someone gave me a box that looked like
chocolate and had mozzarella sticks on him.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
You'd be upset. Oh my gosh, I'd never talked to
that person again.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
You might as well give me a box of cat pee. Like, no, Well,
I'll eat the mozzarella sticks, but I mean I'll be
thinking about the chocolate I could.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Have had, all right. I guess I could see that,
all right, speaking of the food we could have had.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I'm sorry for this very random segment, folks, but it's
a holiday week and we're just all okay. So earlier
in the show, we talked about eating reindeer, and you
were talking about how very much you would.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Like to eat Bambi or some member of Baby. That
is not what it was. It is not am I misremembering.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
I saw the reindeer at the outside the Broncos game.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
I said, wow, look, how cute, And then you said
they looked delicious. So I was the one who said that, Yeah,
not you? Yes, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
So then a listener mentioned Biker Jim Reindeer hot Dogs.
I had forgotten that Biker Jim, which there originally a
food cart and then a restaurant over by course Field.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
The restaurant actually closed down at.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
The end of last year, and there was some big
fight between Biker Jim and his business partner, and then
they got a and then Biker Jim was sort of out.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Of the business.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
The business partner got evicted and all that. Anyway, the
reason I mentioned this to you is that is that
Jim himself has Jim Pett Pittinger as his name is,
started a new business at a place you've probably been,
because you're everywhere in Denver called Avante.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Have you been to Avante?

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Yes, so your gym owns Avante. Biker Jim has a
location in Avante now as of just about a month ago. Okay,
so I'm thinking maybe that's where we do the next
listener lunch. But here's the downside, and I'm very sorry
to disappoint you. They do not seem to have reindeer

(56:21):
hot dogs on the menu anymore, so that's a bummer.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
They do have ostriche.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
I've eaten ostrich quite a lot, actually, because I used
to live in Australia. Even though ostriches are African, they
raise them in Australia, so I've eaten quite a lot
of ostriche. It is very, very very much like beef
and not very much like chicken, even though it's a bird.
But they do have gina on the menu vegan dog
nice and it says plant based with a kick. So

(56:48):
maybe a little bit of spicy vegan dog. So maybe
we can go. Maybe we can go. I mean, are
you down with Avanti? Do you dig it?

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Plus anybody can get you there's a lot of things
you can get there.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Absolutely all right, Maybe that'll be our next listener, our
next listener lunch. If I if I get an ostrich
hot dog, will you will you try it? If I
cut off a little piece of it for you?

Speaker 1 (57:06):
I don't think so. I'm looking at the old Biker
Jim's menu.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Yeah, and there was rattlesnake, wild boar, Alaskan reindeer, German veal.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Jackalope, jackalope, Oh my god, duc Cilantro, that's hilarious, jackalope pheasant.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Don't know what a batdog is.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
It does not have bat in it.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
I'd koa after your news, weather and traffic, and don't
forget coming up in the very next segment of the show,
we're giving away a pair of Broncos tickets for what
may end up being the most important game of the
season or regular season.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Kayoway and Hi Hard Radio Station guaranteed Human infering.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Roskominsky on the news with Gina Gondak and it is
time you heard it during the Broncos broadcast yesterday. We
gave a pair away about an hour ago. We're giving
another pair away now. So this is going to be
for the Broncos Chargers game.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
However, there is not an.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Official date set up for this game just yet, so
you have to be available either January third or January fourth,
and power Field at Mile High pair of tickets will
have that date.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
And do we know one will have that date? Is
it just when the playoffs will be.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
I'm guessing it'll be after next week's games because they
have to see how important this particular game is for
the playoffs, and then they decide based on where they
think the biggest TV ratings are going to be high
they put the games.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
All right, So Broncos chargers either January third or fourth
in power field at mile high pair of tickets right now,
We're going to make this one a texting contest. Five
six six nine zero. Uh, what time do you want
to do it?

Speaker 2 (58:52):
If you pick it, but give at least three or
four minutes from now, so I don't know my prime numbers.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Don't worry about it. You're not me, all right, let's
do eight thirteen. Okay, it's not prime, but time fine.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Five six six nine zero now, yeah, yeah, Texter number one, four,
Texter number four with the right answer to what when
was the last time the Broncos played on Christmas?

Speaker 2 (59:18):
There you go, Okay, text number four at eight thirteen
at five six six nine zero. Your text needs to
include your name, your email address, and the answer to
the question. Gina just asked you, when is the last
time the Broncos played on Christmas?

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Now?

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Let me add one other thing that just showed up
on the listener text line This is pretty crazy. Check
this out, Gina, You're ready. This isn't a joke. This
just showed up on.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
The listener text line Ross.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
I run a fifty year old Colorado company called House
of Smoke.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
We make wild game.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Sausages and used to supply some flavors to biker gyms.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Check this out, Gina. In the spirit of Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
I will ship a box of Broughtwurst to the runner
up in the Broncos ticket giveaway.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
So, whoever is text number? What text number? Did you say?
Text number four?

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
So whoever is textra number four at five, six, six,
nine zero at eight thirteen. With the right answer to
the trivia question, we'll get the pair of Broncos tickets.
And whoever is the next text or after textra number
four with the right answer will get a box of
broughtworst from the House of Smoke thanks to a listener
named Matt who runs House of Smoke.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
That is just amazing. Oh my gosh, this stuff you
get from listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Okay, Separately, a listener reminded me that there's a decent
chance that this Christmas game may be the last game
in Kansas City for Travis kelce because their last game,
I guess is an away game, could be Travis's last
home game after for sure a Hall of Fame career good,

(01:01:05):
but not Travis Kelcey level of good, you know, season
this year. And I think what most people want to
know then is are we going to see? Are we
going to see Taylor Swift on television?

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Yeah? Right, yeah, I know? Are we?

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
I think so. I think so too. And she'll wear
wed she'll wear some Christmas y.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Out the same time game they're gonna she's probably getting
paid to be there, to be like, Okay, they thought
this game was gonna be way more exciting for Christmas
Day and not so hot for the Chiefs, So they're
gonna want Taylor Swift as much as she could be
on the screen for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Yeah, I wish Travis Kelsey well an incredible career.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
He's hurt the Broncos so.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Much, which has been very difficult to watch. But the
guy's just an absolutely unbelievable, unbelievable player. So we're going
to hopefully all right, I'm trying to get the Secretary
of Energy Chris Wright for a little less than half
an hour from now or twenty minutes from now, something
like that. And we also are gonna aim to have

(01:02:09):
Nick Ferguson on the show, and maybe, actually maybe I
was gonna have him here, but we'll do it in
the next seg of the show, and we'll have Nick
on to talk about the game yesterday, because Nick played
for the Broncos and for other teams as well, and
he did the sideline microphones with me yesterday, so that
was I think a fun thing for him. So we'll
talk with him in a few minutes. Thanks for spending
a little time with me and Gina here on Ross

(01:02:33):
on the News with Gina Gondek. We are working on
getting Nick on the show here. And uh yeah, I
didn't give I didn't give Shannon enough of enough of
a heads up. You good, you got his number, all right, hopefully,
hopefully we'll have Nick here, Nick here in a second.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
What are you looking at, Gina? Oh nothing, I was
just gonna say I liked his hat on the sidelines.
Oh he's all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Nick always is a very very sharp griss just guy
and had as well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Let me mention, I'm going through the text.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
We got like one hundred and fifty texts or something
like that. Unsurprisingly, I don't know how many people were
going for the Broncos tickets and how many people were
going for the free box of brought Worth thanks to
House to Smoke. That's a pretty fabulous thing, all right,
So let's do this, all right. So we've got the
aforementioned snappy dresser and snappy hatwaar Nick Ferguson on the show. Nick,

(01:03:27):
was a lot of fun doing the parabolic microphones with
you yesterday. What is separate from the outcome of the game.
How was your parabolic microphone experience?

Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
It was awesome. I told you before the game it
was going to be really hard for me because I've
been close to the game before, but never that close
to the game. And I have to tell you, man,
I got antsy. I got so antsy. He threw me
right back into my playing days and I wanted to
help out the team so much, but I knew in
my mind I could not go on the field. But

(01:03:57):
I'm not gonna lie to you. Thought lost my mind
because I got really antsy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
I didn't even consider that actually, because I was like, okay,
for me, it's intimidating, just to be standing on the sidelines.
But for you, it's like, Okay, you gotta stand on
the sidelines. You have to hold this microphone, but you
can't go out and help in any way.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
Shape or for Yeah, you know what, it was just
watching from in the booze or at home. I mean,
it's entirely different. But being there, boots on the ground,
smelling the grass right there, the players are right there
in your face. You see so many things that you
want to correct, and that player instant kind of kicked
in again. But once again I had to exercise restrength, Nick,

(01:04:38):
you can't go on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
How many players came over and said something to you
while you were doing that in the first half when
you were on the Broncos side, it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
Was several players, several players just kind of turn around.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
And look like, oh my god, like what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
And then when I went on the jack side, the
same thing, because there were former trainers or guys I
played with who were coaching with Jacksonville, or guys who
I coached with in San Francisco, but they were like,
what are you doing? It was a fun experience, but
at the same time, there were so many people who

(01:05:17):
was shot, like, what the hell is going on? It's
like living in an upside down.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
It's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
So the guy who was doing the same thing the
parabolic microphone for Fox Television, which had the game yesterday,
came over to me and said, Hey, Ross, your new guy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Your new guy is having a lot of fun on
the parabolic mic today. And I don't know if that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Has ever spoken to me before. Usually I just say hi,
I see him a lot when I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Do these games.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
But it's the longest conversation I ever had with him.
He's like, oh, yeah, that new guy is having a
really good time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
That's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
Yeah, you know what. He was asking me, making sure
that I knew, you know, everything was going on, and
he was just talking to me just got you know what.
It's almost like a rookie doing something in a veteran
stepping in trying to aid and help out wherever they can.
It was a great experience.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
I would employ anyone who has an opportunity to get
a chance and jump on that parabola Mike to do so.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
All right, Nick, let's keep the same perspective that you
have going on here. You're holding the parabolic Mike, what
do you feel like was the one play, one situation
you keep saying I just was wanted to go out
and help and fix blank. What was the one that
really just made you want to just run out there
and try to help.

Speaker 5 (01:06:32):
Well, the tackling.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
I think it was Parker Washington on the Broncos sideline.
He got caught a pass and I think Riley Moss
missed the tackle and he ran up the sideline. And
for me, I was pride myself and not missing tackles.
And when it comes to tackling, it's about angles and
pursuit angles, what do you put your eyes, what are
you looking to tackle? And then making those guys run
back to where the help is.

Speaker 6 (01:06:54):
So that was an aspect of the.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
Game that I was like, Oh, man, I wish I
could go out there and help.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
I mean, do you actually engage in these conversations, not
necessarily while you're doing the mic thing, but oh actually
I wanted to ask you this too, and it's related.
Did you go on the field afterwards and talk with
the players and go.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Out there in the middle of field thing?

Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
I didn't. I avoided that, Like the plague. I just
stayed on the outskirts, and when the coaches from Jacksonville
were coming off, obviously some of them know me. I
just kind of ran into them. We just had a
couple of chats. But that's about it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Yeah, Oh well that I mean, that's actually great, I
have to say. Also, just walking around with Nick, you know,
outside the stadium and inside the stadium, it's like it's
it's like walking around with.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Mick Jagger or something.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
You know, It's like, Wow, everybody knows him and everybody
wants to say hi, and it's it's kind of it's
kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
And Nick, do you do you love that? Does it?

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Does it wear on you sometimes being that kind of
celebrity around you know, Broncos World.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
No, it, because I don't consider myself to be a celebrity.
I look at myself being like an everyday man that
happens to play a sport that everyone loves. And that's why,
you know, the reaction that you were seeing is because
that's just kind of the way that I am. When
I see people, I say hello, and if they recognize me,
I spend time with them because for me, as a player,

(01:08:20):
I'm not who I am without those fans coming to
the games. So when I see them out and you know,
they're very cordial, I give them some, you know, some
of my time. I stand there, we talk, We talk
about the game, whatever's on their mind. So the reaction
that you were seeing was because I do that with
every single person I come across.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
And you're probably a fun one for people to meet too.
They don't meet you and go, oh man, wow, that
is not who I expected Nick Ferguson to be. But
I digress. When we talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
It, you know what, Gena, My whole thing is when
when people meet me, I know that may be a
chance meeting. So I want them to walk away with
somewhat of an experience. So when they walk away, they're like, man,
that Nick Ferguson. Man, I love that guy. And that's
not me putting on the show. That's me being who
I am because I appreciate this fan base. They go out,

(01:09:06):
they spend their money, they sacrifice their time, they sit
in the weather. So that's the least that I can
do for them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Last, very quick question for you, Nick, any thoughts going
into the Christmas game in Kansas City.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
Yeah, it should be an easy win for the Denver
Broncos and I know there's no such things easy to win,
but they're down the yess cheeza, down to their third quarterback.
This is a short week. How much can they prepare?
And then the fact that the Broncos lost a game
at home that they should have won. They're going to
be looking to take it out on someone. And it's
great that they don't have to wait like seven days
for to happen. The game is going to take place

(01:09:39):
on Christmas, and what better way to kick the cheese
when they're down on Christmas?

Speaker 6 (01:09:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Right, what a perfect way to leave the conversation. Nick
Ferguson co host The Broncos Country to Night six pm
to eleven pm week nights here on KOA. It was
a lot of fun doing the mics with you yesterday, Nick,
Maybe we'll do it again next year.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
Thank you, appreciate it, Thank you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
All right, we'll.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Take a quick pause for Gina to give you the news.
We've also got weather and traffic.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Keep it here on KOA. Gina, do you agree with
me on this? On this count? Do you think I
think we got it?

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
We're trying to confirm there was a lot of people
trying we got probably close to two hundred Chargers tickets.
This was the text contest for a pair that we
did about thirty minutes ago. So you had to be
the first texter at eight thirteen with the right answer
to when was the last time the Broncos played on Christmas?

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
And the answer.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Twenty twenty two where they lost to the La Rams
fifty one to fourteen.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
That was a little bit ugly. So, uh, the winner
is Griffin.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
I won't say Griffin's last name, Griffin is all and
I'll text Griffin back to just say that that he's
the winner.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
And you know, so we had a listener text.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
In saying that he would give the runner up a
box of Broughtworst mail the winner of the runner up
a box of brought Worst from House of Smoke. And
it's funny because the next the very next text has
the right answer but doesn't have the person's name or
email address, so it doesn't count. And so the runner up,

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the next listener is, is Jason.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Last initial B.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
So Jason, you will be in touch with you to
make sure you want a box of brought Worst. But
what an awesome what an awesome runner up gift? Thanks
to thanks to our thanks to our listener and thanks
to House of Smoke, who I guess is getting some
well deserved.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Free advertising out of this. But anyway, okay, so there's that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
We We've been trying to get Secretary of Energy Chris
Right on the show. It didn't work out for today,
so we will hopefully.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Have him on. Actually it won't be.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
It definitely won't be tomorrow, but we will end up
having him in the beginning of the next year.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
I want to do something very different with you. For
just a few minutes, I saw a story in the
Wall Street Journal that I thought was interesting. You know,
I often talk.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
About Frederick Bostiat, the French political economist who wrote a
brilliant essay called That Which Is Seen and That which
is Not Seen, And this reminded me of that, even
though it's not at all about economics, and it really
isn't at all about the kind of thing that Bostiaut
was talking about, But it was more this concept of
the things you think you know about somebody, the things
you see, and how different they can be from the

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things that you don't see. So here's a story from
the Journal how ELA's richest man went from billions to
bust and I don't know this guy for some reason.
I guess I hadn't heard his name. I don't know
who he is, but I guess he's a pretty big time.
In the late nineteen nineties, Gary Winnick Wnnick donated millions

(01:13:07):
of dollars to the Los Angeles Zoo and Rob Delbos.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
With President Bill Clinton, he would.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Soon buy the most expensive home in the country.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
The Long Island native.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
And one time protege of the former junk bond king
Michael Milkin, had amassed an estimated six point two billion
dollar fortune, and the Los Angeles Business Journal ranked him
the richest.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Man in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
So he founded a company that you may remember hearing
about called Global Crossing, and it was one of these
companies that became absolutely enormous and then collapsed so fast.
It was a company that he founded that had promised
to lay undersea fiber optic cable around the whole world

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to connect the interwebs in the early days of the Internet.
And on paper, this made him a billionaire in less
than two years, which is a faster rise to that
kind of wealth than John D. Rockefeller or Bill Gates
or you know, almost anybody. And the New York Times. No.

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The Los Angeles Times wrote about this guy in nineteen
ninety nine. He's so rich that his longtime housekeeper, to
whom he gave stock in a company he was starting,
is now a millionaire herself, and she's about to get
her own housekeeper. But since mister Winnick died at the

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age of seventy six in twenty twenty three, a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Other stuff is coming out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
He owned this bel air estate known as Casa in Cantata.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
He owned a beach house in Malibu.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
He owned a piere atterre like a you know, brownstone
in New York. He owned an incredible art collection, but
apparently he was severely strapped for cash and deeply in debt.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
And now his widow, Karen.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Who is seventy nine years old, is fighting to keep
control of their homes and their art and their jewelry,
all of which mister Winnick put up as collateral against
a massive loan.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Who knew this is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Like you know where I'm getting to this that which
is seen and that which is not seen thing. And
a woman who was close friends with Gary said, how
this was not better managed? It's just totally beyond me.

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But as the journal puts it, this situation underscores a
broader truth about modern wealth. For all the breathless rankings
and headline valuations, the finances of the super rich are
often opaque. Many in the top one percent have a
vast net worth on paper, which they borrow against to
fund a luxurious lifestyle. But with some of the country's

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biggest fortunes tied up in ill liquid stakes or leveraged assets,
or based on valuations that rely on private market optimism,
that wealth.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Isn't as accessible.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
As cash, and Quinn can quickly disappear. Now, this is
a very long article and I'm not going to read
any more of it to you, but I did post
it on my blog at Rosskominsky dot.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Com, and I encourage you to go read it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
It is quite a fascinating story, including owning this home
called Casa in Cantata that was built.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
In the nineteen thirties, and this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Guy had visited it as a guest during a fundraiser for.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
I think it was George W.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Bush or something like that. He saw it and he
loved it, and I guess he wanted to have it,
and eventually he did.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
He bought it in two thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
For ninety four million dollars, which I think is still
a lot of money for the house, and is really
a lot of money for a house twenty five years ago,
and at that time it was the record for the
most expensive home ever sold in California, and yet it
was all a house of cards.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
It's incredible story. It's up on my blog at Rosskominsky
dot com. You can go read it there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
The Wall Street Journal headline is how LA's richest man
went from billions to bust. Oh my gosh, all right,
give it here on KOWA. We got your news, your weather,
your traffic, and then our last few minutes together today Kyoway,
and to Jason for winning a box of Rotwurst, which
is probably one of the few prizes that Gino would

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not want to win.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Right accurate?

Speaker 7 (01:17:31):
Uh huh?

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
What would you? What prize would you like to win?

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
If you were going to win a prize of anything
that had that was worth less than one hundred dollars?

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
What less than a hundred? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Yeah, I mean, because I've known obviously you can you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Know, concert tickets, festival tickets, you name it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
There might be some red rock shows you can still
get under one hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Maybe your husband's listening right now and he needs an
idea for a gift for you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
We had Christmas over the weekend. We did. Yeah, he
did a good job.

Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
He did.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Yeah. Why why now are you?

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Because we'll be home with our family for actual Christmas.
Is he from Michigan. We're both from.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Michigan, okay, and we're gonna be running back and forth
between families, so it's always chaotic. So we had our
Christmas this weekend and gave our gifts and did pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Yeah he did. Did you clean up you take carry? Yeah?
We did. We both did good.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
We're really good at giving gifts for each other. I
got them new uh speakers for his record player because
we desperately needed those. He got me a fun little
mushroom growing kits, regular mushrooms, like eating mushrooms, not a
psychedelic rid.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
I knew what everybody was wondering as soon as you
said that, right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
I love I love plants, and I love you know,
just trying to have a green thumb. So this is
kind of a fun one where you can grow some
different types of mushrooms that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
They're not green. Yeah, and you have a green thumb
when you're growing something that isn't green. Good point. Everything
else is green. The mushrooms are. We don't want to
say a brown thumb though. That's not good.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
No, no, I mean you two have been dating slash
married for a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
So yeah, so we did all right, But apparently you
got a sweater that you did not like for Hanukkah,
and you have you're able to tell your wife that
you do not.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
And she doesn't feel bad about that at all, which
she was coming.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
I didn't even I didn't even take it out of
the bag, didn't unfold it, didn't take it out as
a clear plastic I could see through, I could see
what was in it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Did she already return it? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Yeah, oh she did, and she didn't say another thing
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
It was it was absolutely fine. All your other gifts great, though. Yeah,
it was a lot of very random small stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
You know what we're We're spending so much time and
money on this hom remodel that I didn't want really anything, and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
I don't I don't need stuff. I got stuff. I
get that, you know. I got her a very nice.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Coffeemaker, and that's that's it, you know nice. Yeah, it's fine,
it's absolutely fine. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
You know, we don't have time to do this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
But tomorrow I want to come back to a topic
that you had suggested for today, but just to get
listeners thinking about it, about regifting, because I think that's
a cool topic. Yeah, but I would like to take
a moment as long as we are wasting people's time here.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
A listener did text in for advice from.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Gina yesterday, saying, if my cousin bought me a gift,
but I didn't get one for him, do I need
to get in one? And you were saying yes, And
then we got more information, and that was that the
gift from the cousin was a gift card that was
mailed to this person. And then you were saying, as
far as the question, do I need to get my
cousin a gift in that situation.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
You were saying, I said no after that, because if
you're not going to see your cousin in person, yeah,
and if you don't feel bad and it was mailed you,
you just say thanks for the gift card.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
And then you just let it. Let uslide.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
I will say that that story ended up with a
with an example of some of the best parenting ever
because that listener said that the listener's mom is going
to give the cousin a present, but put the listener's
name on it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Yes, and that is best mom ever, best best.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Mom ever, absolutely the best mom of all time. All Right,
I'll tell you what I think. That's enough for today.
I'll be back tomorrow with Gina with Shannon. That will
be my last show this year, not Gina's last show
this year.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
So we'll hang out, we'll have some fun.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
We got some guests Gina tomorrow. We are going to
do well now you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Know, oh coo with Chad all right, and then uh,
and then I don't know what else, but we'll have
We'll have a good time, folks.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Have you hope you have a wonderful rest of your Monday,
and uh keep it here on KOA.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
Michael Brown's up next. Remember to walk like a Penguin
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