12-4-25 - *FULL SHOW* Kids, Tech & AI; Trump Cuts CAFE; Pardon Me

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dragon. Yes, sir, I forgot to put the trash out
for real? Now, for real? I did. You're in trouble.
Oh my gosh. I hope the kids home. Oh yeah,
that's what I'm gonna have to do. I'm gonna have
to text the kid and ask him to put the
trash out.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Do I need to set another alarm right around seven o'clock?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Got it? Yeah? Can you remind me in an hour?
All right? First, uh, good morning, Gina. Good to see you.
I would like to just take a moment and recommend
a radio show to listeners. A radio show that I
learn a lot of things from. It is called It's
called Colorado's Morning News. It airs from five to six

(00:39):
here on KOA, and it's on when I'm driving to work,
so I'm listening to it and I learn something every day.
So I want to encourage you, if you are awake
between five and six, to listen to Colorado's Morning News
with a host named Gina Gandek. And one of the
things I learned this morning is it was about this
social media post from last night that I didn't learn

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about last night from President Trump. And I'll just read
it to you. Oh, let me mention one other things.
If you're not on truth Social, and not that many
people are, really there are accounts on X formerly Twitter
that automatically pick up whatever the president posts on his

(01:21):
true social account and posted on Twitter. So, for example,
the one I'm looking at right now is called Trump
Daily Posts. So if you're on X right, so at
trump Daily Posts all one word, It's got two and
a half million followers because it's a way for people
to kind of see what Trump is saying without having
to sign up for truth Social. So that's usually the

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way I deal with this. Trump wrote this the sleezebag
all in capital letters. Governor of Colorado Jared Poulis refuses
to allow an elderly woman, Tina Peters, who was unfairly
convicted of what the Democrats do cheating on elections, out
of jail. She was convicted for trying to stop Democrats
from stealing Colorado votes in the election. She was preserving

(02:02):
election records, which she was obligated to do under federal law.
She has now served more than a year in jail,
has eight years to go. On top of everything else,
she is a cancer survivor. This lightweight governor who has
allowed his state to go to hell, Trende Orragua. Anyone
should be ashamed of himself. Free Tina. Okay, I'll deal
with the last part first. Yes, Democrats who run Denver

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and who run the state of Colorado should be somewhat
ashamed of themselves for what they did to attract so
many illegal immigrants here based on the particularly financial harm
and crime that that caused. But that's not mostly what
this is about. This is mostly about Tina Peters, and
Trump says Tina Peters was unfairly convicted. She wasn't. She

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was prosecuted by a Republican district attorney out there in
grand junction, and she was not convicted for trying to
stop Democrats from dealing Colorado votes. She was convicted for
doing things like turning off the security cameras in the
room that has the election equipment and then allowing an

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unauthorized person access to her county's election equipment in pursuit
of Trump's nonsense about a stolen election. For the record,
I am not saying that there is never an election fraud.
There's always a little bit, but not what Trump is
talking about. Tana Peters was duly convicted of committing state crimes.

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That and beyond the fact that she committed these state crimes,
she was elected into a position of trust, so it's
sort of an extra betrayal having come from her. And
there is absolutely no reason that Governor Polos should send
Tana Peters to some comfy club fed. And yes, she
was sentenced to about eight years in prison, eight or

(03:53):
nine years in prison. She won't serve all of it.
It's a state sentence. She'll get out after a little while.
But she deserves what she got. And you know, there
are a lot of things to criticize about Jared Polis,
but this ain't one of them. So let's do this
other thing. A lot of stuff going on in DC
and kind of Trump related today, and the very big
story is the hearing. But it's going to be behind

(04:17):
closed doors, I believe. I don't think we're gonna get much.
Maybe some member of Congress will come out and say something,
but I don't think this is an open hearing of
the of the Admiral Mitch Bradley, who is the admiral
who apparently ordered the second strike and then third and
fourth strike on that drug boat. You know, we're told
it's a drug boat back in September. What's been fascinating

(04:39):
to watch, and I've been pretty careful with this story.
What's when fascinating to watch is how the story has
changed so repeatedly. The Washington Post came out with the
first most aggressive version of the story that all but
accused Pete Hegseath of committing murder and committing a war crime.
Shortly after that, and this is something you don't see
very often, the New York Times, which is every bit

(05:01):
as liberal and anti Trump administration and all that as
the Washington Post is, came out with an article that
really criticized the Washington Post reporting and said they are
missing a lot of context and the situation is not
nearly as clear cod and nearly as obviously bad for
Pete Hegseth as the Washington Post made it sounded. What
it seems like is happening at the Washington Post is

(05:21):
that people who are upset with something inside the government
are leaking to the Washington Post. And of course, when
people are upset and they're trying to manipulate the media,
they'll worded in the most aggressive possible way, the way
that makes their point and the way that makes whoever
they're mad at look as bad as possible. They give
this stuff to reporters, and it seems like the Washington

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Post reporters are gleefully running with it. There was a
story that I didn't talk about on the show, but
there was a story a couple of weeks ago where
the Washington Post said that the Coast Guard was downgrading
the seriousness of a member of the Coast Guard displaying
a swastikap and the Washington Post had that as the

(06:05):
top story on their web page for hours and hours,
but it wasn't true. And I actually got a call
from a Coastguard officer, believe it or not, somebody in
that part of the chain of command who knew what
was going on there, because I was sort of asking
about it on Twitter. I said, this story would be

(06:26):
bad if it's true, but I kind of doubt that
it's true, and the Coastguard got in touch with me,
and I didn't write about it. I didn't talk about it,
but Washington Post ran this other story and they kept
it up even after the Coastguard said publicly, you have
this wrong. Here's what's really going on. So that's the
media commentary part of this now, so the story keeps changing.

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Another thing that changed was that we were told that
Pete Hagg said. First we were told that it didn't happen, Okay,
then it did. Then we were told that there had
never been in a conversation about what would happen if
somebody survived one of these strikes on these boats. Today

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the New York Times actually reports something different. Now, this
different thing is not necessarily bad for Hegseth. It's just
I'm pointing out that the story is changing. So the
New York Times reports this morning Hag set thepproved contingency
plans for what to do if an initial strike left survivors,
according to multiple officials. And here's where the rubber meets

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the road. And here's what people are going to want
to try to understand from this hearing today from the
New York Times. The military would attempt to rescue survivors
who appeared to be helpless, shipwrecked and out of what
the administration considered a fight, but it would try again
to kill them if they took what the United States
deemed to be a hostile action, like communicating with suspected

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cartel members. So what we expect to happen today. And
again I don't know how much we're going to learn
from what I expect to be a closed door hearing,
But the reporting is suggesting that that Admiral Bradley is
going to say that he ordered the second strike because

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the boat was not out of commission, the boat was
not sunk, and the people associated with the boat did
not appear out of the fight. Rather, it appeared that
they were trying to get back in the boat, or
they were already back in the boat, and it looked
like they were going to, you know, keep going where
they were going, trying to communicate with somebody else. So

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they followed up with another strike and killed them. And
if that's the case, then there probably isn't very much
to say here, you know, about some kind of so
called war crime. It could get to a bigger question
of whether the strikes in general are legal. But I
actually think that's not a conversation that many people in

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Congress want to have at all. So in the end,
it may well end up that Democrats in Congress thought
they finally had Pete Hegseth dead to rights, and it
may be yet again that they don't. All right, well,
they are a band that Gina couldn't name. That's unusual.
That's unusual.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Like I said, I think I'm gonna have a lot
of trouble with them in that tune because I am
not good at naming artists I love. I love music,
I love artists, I love songs, but I can't piece
them all together.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
All right, Well, we'll try again tomorrow with name that tune.
I want to share this story with you. This is
a let me give one macro comment. The thing about
the Trump administration is they veer so wildly from awesome
stuff to bad stuff and back and forth. For me,
the Trump administration is like, as we were talking about yesterday, Dragon,

(09:44):
the guy whose head is in the oven and his
feet are in the freezer, and on average he's fine. Right.
So I want to tell you about something that the
President announced yesterday that I am really really happy about.
And it was a press conference sort of middle of
yesterday afternoon, where the President, surrounded by the Transportation Secretary,
a bunch of senators, and heads of major car companies,

(10:07):
announced massive reforms to the nation's fuel economy rules. They
are sometimes called CAFE standards, and CAFE stands for Corporate
Average fuel economy. What does the number mean? Actually, you
hear about these numbers. You know, thirty something miles per
gallon for example, What that number means is that on

(10:28):
a car maker by car maker basis right. So each
individual car maker has to comply with its own data set.
The average miles per gallon of all the vehicles they
sell has to meet whatever this number is. Right, So,
if the CAFE standard were thirty miles per hour, then

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if a manufacturer sold a pickup truck that gets nineteen
did I say per hour per gallon? If they sold
a pickup truck that gets nineteen miles per gallon, so
that's eleven miles per gallon under that average, then so
offset that. To be able to meet the rule, they
would need to sell some other kind of vehicle that

(11:13):
gets eleven over or forty one miles per gallon, and
there are not very many vehicles that get forty one
miles per gallon. Now, under the Biden administration, these rules
were being changed so that the CAFE standard would step
up a lot year after year after year, and it
was going to soon be at fifty miles per gallon,

(11:37):
which is with our current technology. The way cars are
currently built. It's impossible. It's impossible to meet an average
of fifty miles per gallon unless and this was really
the point, unless you force lots of people to buy
electric cars. How do you get people to buy electric cars?

(11:59):
You subize it, or you sell them at a loss
just so that you meet this government target, and then
you raise the price of all the other things to
cover the loss that you're taking on electric vehicles. What
the White House announced yesterday is that they are massively
cutting back on the fuel economy standards and going to

(12:20):
keep them essentially in the thirties for quite some time.
They claim, and they're probably right, you know, close to right.
They claim that it will lower the cost of a
vehicle by around nine hundred dollars one thousand dollars. You know,
at some point in the not too distant future. It's
not it's not going to lower that right now. But again,

(12:44):
if these if these auto manufacturers, we're going to have
to start taking losses on evs in order to in
order to meet the rule, and then have to make
that up by charging more for a regular vehicle. Or
the other thing is if the auto manufacturers would be

(13:04):
spending not just millions, but billions on different kinds of
R and D in order to find a way to
make a car that can get three miles more per gallon.
That also raised the cost of a car. So with
either of those things kind of going away means that
a car will cost, according to the White House, nine
hundred or one thousand dollars less than it otherwise might have.

(13:26):
So I am extremely happy with this. Trump talked a
lot about what he called the Green New scam, the
Green New Deal, so on. He's against all of that,
And you know, he made one really interesting point too
that I've made on the show, and I want to reiterate.
Trump said he doesn't dislike electric cars. They've got their place.
He just wants people to be able to have a choice.

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And what the Biden administration's fuel efficiency standards had the
effect of doing was to create fewer and fewer and
fewer choices. So I think it was a great move
by the Trump administration yesterday. I'm sure there are plenty
of people, the usual suspects, who won't like it, but
I think it's a fabulous move and I want to

(14:10):
give him credit for that. Probably need to start the
meeting in order to make that work. Uh probably, yeah, okay,
all right, I uh yeah, yeah, all right, I don't.
I don't really have a great way to do that.
So I'm ross. That's Gina that's dragging behind the glass.
I'm sorry. I think maybe there's someone who thinks they're
a guest right now and I haven't haven't figured it out,

(14:33):
so we'll get to it. So, Gene, I have a
listener question for all of us, and Dragon, I have
a listener question for all of us. Although yesterday was
ice cream weather, unfortunately I didn't have any Do you
prefer to eat ice cream when it's snowing or when
it's hot and miserable and melts on your hands.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Uh, definitely hot and miserable and melts on your hands.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
That's the best time to eat ice cream. That didn't
take long. Gina knew her answer right away.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Well, the correct answer is ice cream is good anytime. Yes,
you do not eat ice cream out of a cone
because it does get.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
All over your hands.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Ice cream is only eating out of a cup or bull.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, there you go. Let's see. I disagree on that one.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
No, I'm with dragging on that, but there are cone eaters.
It cones too messy.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Like ice cream in a bowl and then the cone
on top.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
You could do that. You could do that, but I
don't like tones anyway to just get stuck in your
teeth me as a bearded gentleman. No, you can't have
a cone because it's just gonna get all over it.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
No, not just on your hands, Maha, all over the face.
It's just not going to work.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Unbelievable. Yeah, that's all right. I got to try to
figure out what's going on with this. Do you do
you have Do you have a way to start a meeting? No,
not if it's my meeting, it's your meeting. A man,
all right, Well, I'm just gonna have to let these
let this person sit here, probably gross. I do have
a pitch for a story that I want to do.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
All right, at some point I'm literally gonna speak it
into existence. Because you talked about yesterday being super snowy,
and then you talked about eating ice cream. We'll CSU
has a snow hydrologist that there have a topic on
is it safe.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
To eat snow? Wow? I don't know the answer? Does
depend what color? What color the snow is?

Speaker 3 (16:11):
The headline does say, well it depends and I just
don't know if that means it depends on what color
or other things.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
So wow, wow. Anyways, I hope you could get them
on at some point. That'd be fun, uh, I mean,
doesn't everybody eat snow?

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Well, I've seen people do like the snow ice cream
before where there's like a fun way where you can
use snow to make ice cream, put vanilla flavoring in
it and like blend it or I don't know, freeze
it differently or something like that. So I've seen recipes
that involve using snow. I've never tried it, but yeah,
I guess that you know, at some point in your
life picks up snow and eats it.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
For sure, it's not yellow like the Frank Zappa song. Yeah,
you know the Frank Zappa song No do I You
probably should? You probably should? Is it in Naoko of
the North? Is that what the song is called? Look
up the Frank Zappa song about yellow snow. You'll dig it?
All right, let me do something else. Well, Gina bailed
me out on that thing.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Now it's literally called don't the yellow stow, Don't eat
the yellow snow?

Speaker 1 (17:09):
So really, really it's maybe dragon can find that for
the next break, don't eat the yellow snow. I just
want to talk briefly. This was actually yesterday's story about
this Michael Dell thing. This is an amazing story. So
Michael Dell, the founder of Dell Computer. He's worth something
like one hundred and fifty billion dollars, some insane, insane
number like that, and he and his wife, his wife

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is named Susan. On Tuesday, they pledged to give six
and a quarter billion dollars with a B, six and
a quarter billion dollars to give two hundred and fifty
dollars to each of twenty five million American children. So

(17:56):
that's an increasible So what this associated with. It's associated
with this thing called the Trump Accounts. So President Trump
has set up this new thing, of course he named
it for himself, and it sets up these accounts for
kids born between January first of this year and December
thirty first of twenty twenty eight, and the federal government
is going to deposit one thousand dollars into investment accounts

(18:20):
for those kids. And the concept is, well, get them
in the stock market or more generally sort of investing
early on, and when they get to some age they
will understand, oh, I have this investment, and they'll start
thinking about what capitalism means, and what corporations are, and
what it means to own stock and all this and
all this stuff. But it's just for kids born during

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that twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight four years.
So the Dells are doing something a little different. What
they're gonna do is they're gonna give two hundred and
fifty dollars to each qualified child, each person who would
be qualified for this under the age of eleven and
so kids who are still young but not born, you know,

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basically during the Trump administration more or less this Trump administration,
they're going to do a similar thing for them for
two hundred I mean, for twenty five million kids. It's
an astonishing thing. And one of the things they're looking
at is there as their filter is they are going
to give this to kids because they it's may back up.

(19:35):
It would be much too difficult and probably rife with
fraud and lies and whatever to go ask every family
how much is your income to determine whether because they
don't want to give money to rich people, to kids
of rich people, but they also are not going to
be able to ask for tax returns and all that.

(19:55):
So what they're going to do is they're going to
put money and this is from the Associated Press, so
I'll just quote it, going to put money into the
accounts of children ten and younger who live in zip
codes with median family income of one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars are less or less, and who won't get
the thousand dollars seed money from the Treasury. Now, federal law,

(20:16):
again this is from AP. Federal law allows outside donors
to target gifts by geography. So that's why the Dells
are using the zip code the clearest way to ensure
the contribution reaches the greatest number of children who would
benefit most. They can't really target much more accurately than that. Again,
like I said, they can't go ask people how much

(20:39):
money do you make? And they probably wouldn't get a
lot of honest answers from that either, you know, from
people who maybe didn't qualify. Westward has an interesting note today.
By the way, all this stuff is in my blog
at Rosskiminski dot com. So if if we're talking about
anything on the show, hear us talking about anything on
the show, it's probably up on the blog. If you
want want to find the life, links to guests, links

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to topics, links to all that, you just go to
Roskaminski dot com, which is a redirect to my Kowa
page and you will find you'll find all of that.
So Westward did this a little bit of research, and
they're saying, look, we're not one hundred percent sure that
this is perfect, but it's sort of our best guests
working quickly here. And of course, when you're talking about
zip codes with median incomes under one hundred and fifty

(21:26):
thousand dollars, that's almost every zip code. That's almost every
single zip code, because even in many zip codes that
have some very rich neighborhoods, a lot of those zip
codes will also have neighborhoods that are not so well off. So,
you know, just to give you an example, as far

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as the Westward put together this list of zip codes
that won't get the money because their median income is
too high, and the zip code that includes, for example,
Cherry Hills Village is not on the list. In other words,
they would get that money in that zip code. So
some of these zip codes that looks like they they

(22:08):
will let me just make sure I have this right. Yes,
zip codes that fall outside are affluent suburbs and these
are these are some of them, Cass. I'm not going
to give the whole zip code, you know what. I'll
give the last three numbers because they all start with
eight zero one O eight, Castle Rock four five four

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Coal Creek and Golden five four seven, tim Nith zero
zero seven are Vada. I'm not going to read the
rest of them, but you get the idea. There's only
about a dozen that won't get the money. But what
a remarkable thing to have this billionaire who has understood
from the time he was very young, when he had like,

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you know, twenty bucks in a bank account when he
was eight years old, and started thinking about that and
thinking about compound interest and wanting young people to understand
about investing in what it means. And I am so
for this, yes, because I think part of the reason
that we have so many people, including in Congress, who
hate capitalism and hate markets and hate all that is
that they don't understand it. They didn't grow up with it,

(23:11):
they barely participate in it. And I just think this
is an absolutely wonderful thing. You're listening to KOA keep
it here for all your news, weather and traffic.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
I know my husband would be really upset that I
didn't know that, because his whole family is all about
Frank Zappa. But yes, we were talking about earlier the
whole study, which I want to get CSU on to
talk about it because the headline says, is it safe
to eat snow? Well, it depends, And then obviously we
talked about, well it depends what color it is. But

(23:42):
I think they're going to talk a little bit more
about the environment in the way that the snow falls
and are you having pollution? I think anyways, but maybe
it's as simple as saying, yeah, no if it's yellow,
So definitely.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Anything falling, I think I'm probably good with anything that's
already hit the ground, probably stay away from. But as
a kid, it didn't matter. It matter all the icicles
on the ground straight from the.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, yeah, love to do that with the ice culls,
and like the snow on our patio right now.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
I mean we got a decent amount.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
I think they were saying, uh, anywhere from we saw
Genesee had ten and a half inches. Southeast Denver was
reporting several inches da over four inches. We have a
decent amount on the patio right now, and that's still
white fluffy stuff. But I feel like it's acceptable to eat.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
You skim from the top, you'd probably be okay as
long as you all go too deep and get down
and get some dirt or some grass or animal.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Eh.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, Dragon.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Have you ever made any type of like ice cream
recipe with snow?

Speaker 1 (24:41):
That's the thing.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
No, And I've never really tried it before, but I
know a lot of people have, and so I'm curious
about that too.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Hi. Ross, Hi, I'm glad you guys were chatting without me.
And don't the yellow snow? Huh?

Speaker 3 (24:53):
And if you've ever tried a recipe with snow in it,
just a snow cone? Does that count?

Speaker 1 (24:58):
No? No, that was the best. That was the best
I could do on short notice. The reason that you
had to start without me is that I was just
talking with with Brenda Stewart and I just share this
with you briefly. So yesterday, two days ago, we did
the interview with Brenda talking about Blue Star recyclers and
they're you know, they hire autistic folks and give them

(25:22):
real work. Not just as Brenda puts it not just
folding pizza boxes. And we asked listeners if they might
be willing to support Blue Star Recyclers, and Brenda was
just telling me that the outpouring of support from Ko
Ko listeners has been enormous and you know, some thousands
of dollars come to help that group, and so that's

(25:43):
why I was late walking back in. But you know,
big thank you to all of our so so generous
ko listeners. There's there's an unlimited number of nonprofits out there,
and this is the time of year and we're gonna
be talking about more of them overcoming days. I saw
you booked the Boys and Girls Club right, interview you
coming up soon. But just as a general thing, I

(26:03):
just wanted to say thank you to all the generous
Kawa listeners, whether you donate to something that we suggest
or or anything else, it's just it's a wonderful, wonderful thing.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
And again, Colorado Gives Day coming up on Tuesday. You
can already give at Colorado Gifts dot org.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
There you go, and we encourage you to do just that.
And over here now to my left is intrepid Chad
Bauer from our news desk. And for those who haven't
heard this before, and this is genus first time involved
with it in person in the studio. It's time for
time for will Now you know, this is where intrepid
Chad Bauer brings us some wacky topic that presumably we

(26:38):
don't know much about. By the way, at the end
of this Dragon is going to play that music again
and a very last downbeat. You have to put a
finger up in the air like your John Travolta in Greece.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
Yes, our Saturday night fever.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Saturday Saturday Saturday night fever. My bad.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, So you know how we keep hearing AI is
going to make all these different jobs opps elite.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
But that's nothing new.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
For centuries, literally centuries, jobs have become obsolete with developments
and technology and science and things like that. So I
have a whole list of old timey jobs from that
haven't been around for some of these centuries. And see
if you can some of these. You might be able
to give it a lot of my veterans, we're funny.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Use what the job means, what the word means.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
The job, what the job is? Okay, what did this
what did this person do? Okay, here's one job that
doesn't exist anymore. Groom of the stool, ew room of
the stool.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
Groom of the stool.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Was this somebody who swept up hair at a hair salon?

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Nope, it was back in Tudor times. The groom of
the stool handled all of the English kings, shall we say,
toilet related needs. Whenever the monarch had to do his thing,
the groom, the groom of the stool would accompany him
a bowl of water and a towel, because you know,
they didn't have all the fancy things like toilet and

(28:01):
But you might sound that might sound like a crappy job,
but it was actually get You had access to the
king in this in his most vulnerable moment, so it
was actually considered a pretty powerful position.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
The groom of the stool. Wow, not a job you're
interested in.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
You never know, se the other radio thing works out.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
Here's another old timy job that doesn't exist anymore. Knock
her uppers.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Oh, I'm not going to guess. I don't know, I
have no idea.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Back in the industrial era, before the advent of the
alarm clock, people that had trouble waking up would actually
hire people known as knocker uppers, who would get up
early in the morning and patrol the street with sticks
and they would tap on your bedroom windows that they
were like human alarm clock.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
That's fabulous.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, yeah, you need somebody that can help you stay
asleep and be Yeah, that's a whole different thing.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
I love that job though. Yeah. Locker uppers, knocker upcker uppers.
All right.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
Yeah, now this one, the job itself is pretty self explanatory.
You need to put see if you can put it
in context. A sluggered waker, sluggered waker? What did that
job do back in the olden times?

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Slugger dragon?

Speaker 5 (29:21):
And he obviously they woke sluggards, But in what context.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Return for like bullying or some kind of sport sporting
of that.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
No, nope, they they it was. It was in church
back in eighteenth century England. People would you know, the
minister had drone on that they would fall asleep. The
sluggered waker would walk around the pews and smack people
on the head with a stick to wake them up.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
I think we still need those, to be honest. I
definitely not that stick around. Yeah not, that's a really
good one.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
Now, this job, I'll give you a hint, is vitt
is uh, kind of in the same vein as the
the stool one, the groom of the stool.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
Night soil men.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
People who came in in the middle of the night
and picked up the whatever you call that bowl the
chamber pot, and then dumped it somewhere exactly.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah, actually, yeah, they were outhouses, priviies, those kind of things.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
You know, those were called night soil men.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
We can do without that job rather hit people over
the heading shirt.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
Yeah you know, now, this one is the best name
of all. Okay, slubber doffer. Slubber doffer.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Well, isn't doffing usually having to do with like a hat.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
It is, but it's not that.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
It's not that, no, no idea.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
No, they were kids.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Is a kid's job where they removed empty bobbins from
these spending frames and textile mills.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
It was a dangerous job.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
You'd like, reach in with all the machinery going and
take this thing off, put the new one on, and
with the advent of you know, automated machinery, that job
became obsolete.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
That's yeah, that's not a job you probably want your
kid doing.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Kids need to work sangerous job.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
I don't know how much slubbered offers were paid.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
Now here's another one that.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
See if you can figure out the context of this
mud clerk. The word clerk makes no sense. What they
they're called a clerk doing this particular job. But the
mud partment with horse racing, it has to do with steamboats.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
What so, measuring how deep the mud is at a spot,
so you know if the boat can get through. Nope.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
They were the people that when you got stuck in
the mud, they helped. They're the ones that were in
charge of getting it, getting you out.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
It looks like you were kind of on my line,
A very good guess.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
I was right there with you. Yeah, one more, one more, Chad,
one more, if you got one more.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Resurrectionist, Oh my gosh, is this like someone that checks
to see if you're still alive before you're buried.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
No, it has to do with the deceased, though vampire
hunter is. They were also known as body snatchers. It
was in the nineteenth century they would remove corpses from
graves to be used as cadavers because you couldn't do it.
It was hard to do it legally. But then once
people started donating their bodies to science, the resurrectionists job

(32:22):
became obsolete.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
So it was a job they weren't doing illegally or both.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Oh okay, all right, they were hired by you know,
Stratton said Frankenstein.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
To go right. Okay, So now, Gina, this is how
this part works. Okay, So now you think about the
various things that Chad said, and then you say something
along the lines of, well, Chad with that such and
such whatever, I did not know that. So just pick
one and then and say that to him about like,
I did not know half of those things. I don't

(32:54):
even remember anymore.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
But some of those jobs I think should still stick around.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
I did not know that some of them no longer exist.

Speaker 5 (33:02):
Well, Ross, Gina, now you know.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Keep it here on k away. Yeah, not bad. Sometimes
it's a stretch. No, that's not that much of a stretch.
I should have gotten it. Yeah, that was That was
pretty good. Producer Dragon is the best at at picking
music that ties in with what we're what we're talking about, folks.
If you want to hang out with Ben Albright Nick
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(33:35):
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I went a couple of weeks ago to hang out
with those guys and it was it was a lot

(33:56):
of fun. Just a few minutes here. I want to
kind of get us back on back on track a
little bit. We went a little long, but it was
well worth it with Well, now you know this falls
in this comes from the Hey look what I found files?
So I saw the story on kadivr our news partners
at Fox thirty one of their website. I'll just share
a little of this with you. While responding to a

(34:18):
crash on I twenty five, Loan Tree Police made a
discovery I'll just skip ahead. On November twenty ninth, round
six in the morning, Lone Tree Police responded to a
report of a multi vehicle crash on northbound I twenty
five after a truck reportedly lost control and sparked a
chain reaction while helping the occupants of the vehicles. The

(34:38):
officers noticed that there was mail on the ground around
the vehicle, and police determined that the mail didn't belong
to the guy who was driving the vehicle, and they
then figured out that the mail had been stolen from
a damaged community mailbox. They also discovered what they call

(34:58):
financial device. So you know, there's sometimes like fancy bank
accountsl will give you some little thing that has a code,
you know, the way sometimes you get a code by
text on your cell phone to log into something. Some
financial institutions actually give you a device that shows a code,
so you're not even getting a text. Theoretically it's even
more secure. But anyway, they found some of this kind

(35:19):
of stuff. They found an ID belonging to another person.
They found five and a half grams a meth, three
point seven grams of other drugs, and the driver now
faces charges of felony, criminal possession of three financial devices.
How about that for a charge possession of a controlled
substance of drug paraphernalia, violation of a protection order, criminal

(35:41):
possession of identification documentation and burglary. And the lone Tree
folks said while managing a complex crash scene and working
to safely reopen the highway. Officers also removed an unsafe
individual from the roadway, protecting both the public and the community.
And the lesson, of course, is pretty straightforward here, and

(36:03):
that is, if you're stealing somebody's mail, drive carefully. I
got one question for each of you before I get
into this whole real estate thing thinking about what we
did with Well, now you know, and so Gina, you're
you're young, and you've been in Ino in one profession
and interested in one profession since the time you were

(36:24):
pretty young. So I'm guessing your answer is going to
be no. But I'm gonna ask both of you, and
I'm gonna ask listeners the same question. Have you ever
had a job that doesn't exist anymore? Like these things
we were talking about with Chad, Like a listener just
texted in, you know, bowling pins setter, although there probably
still are a few old school bowling alleys that still
do that, or the old telephone switchboard operator. So has

(36:46):
either of you ever had a job that doesn't exist anymore?
And listeners as well, text me at five six six
nine zero, Text all of us at five six six
nine zero if you've ever had a job that doesn't
exist anymore. I would love to know what it is.
If it had a weird name, you know what the
job description was, So whoever has a thought.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
First, also really quickly for that text line plast six
six ninezero. It does help if you take it and
text in Ross, Gina or Dragon.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yes, for sure, prefix pre something you don't have to,
but it certainly helps. Yeah, there's another radio station that
right now has the same text line. So if you
put Ross or Gina or Dragon or rotten r otn
or just something that seems to be getting popular, yeah,
rotten rotn anything Gina.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
I'd be curious if my college it job still exists,
because truly I was just a glorified did you turn
it off and turn it back on? Computer setter for
professors that were just technologically challenged? I wonder if it's
now switched to some call number where it's just like
you have an issue.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
In your you know, in your room or in.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Your classroom or with your computer, just call this number.
I don't know if. Because they had specific people that
responded to specific buildings on campus, and it was a
great time for me to sit there and do my
homework and then walk in every once in a while
tend to finick with some wires and stuff.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
To just restart their computer and then it worked just fine.
That's that's kind of new school. So back in the
day when so I first, I wonder if you were
alive when I bought my first computer. Okay, I bought
my first computer. My first computer was an Apple two
plus and I bought it in nineteen nineteen eighty one,

(38:25):
nineteen eighty one. No, I was not alive, Okay, so
back then there, I mean, there was no Internet, there
was no nothing, There was no it desk. If my
computer wasn't working right, what I would do is just
hit it kind of hard on the side, usually on
the side, and that almost always fixed it. Dragon, you're
old enough to remember that kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah. Yeah. The TV's for a lot for us. If
they weren't working for they whack them, whack them on
the side.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah yeah. So producer, Dragon, have you ever had a
job that doesn't exist anymore?

Speaker 2 (38:53):
A sandwich artist and radio producers? I think those are
still still out there.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Are still out there. So I will say my my
first career is a job that still exists, but not
for much longer. It's almost all gone. And that is
I was a trader in the trading pits in Chicago,
and we also had employees in the pits in New
York and Philadelphia and San Francisco and all that. But

(39:18):
it's been taken over by computer and there are a
few floor traders left. You know, there are a couple
of pits left, for reasons that I won't get into.
Like you might ask, well, why would there be a
couple of pits left? Why aren't they Why aren't they
all gone? I won't get into all that, but there's
some reasons there's still a couple of them left. But
within a few years those will probably be gone too,
and then it'll likely be that nobody else ever will

(39:42):
will have that job. And I think that's kind of
an odd thing. All right, let me do a few
little real estate things here, and please text test at
five six sixty nine zero and just start it with
Ross or Gina or dragon, and you're welcome to misspelled Gina.
She will respond to anything that we can recognize. But
just so you know, genas arts with a J. And
I'm not going to even tell you the rest, but

(40:03):
most people send in Gina starting with a G.

Speaker 6 (40:06):
Right.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yes, but then when you say it starts with the J,
we get a lot of j I nah is very amusing.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Right, which is also not right. No, it's also not right,
or reminds you of the Saturday Night Live thing of
Donald Trump saying Jina. So anyway, let me do a
list list of real estate stuff. I got three real
estate stories and I'm gonna do them in like one
minute each. So Zillow and a couple other websites work

(40:32):
with a company called First Street that does what they
call risk modeling. And I have to say, you know,
in a way, this is interesting, and in a way
it's kind of nonsense, I think. But one of the
things that First Street does is they try to estimate
how much risk any given house might have from some
kind of damage. And they've gotten into the business of saying,

(40:55):
you know, climate risk, so how how much risk of
a wildfire or some kind of wind damage or extreme
heat or even bad air quality or flooding. And what
they were doing was Zillo was partnering with these guys,
and Zillo was putting on their real estate listings. This
is going to take me more than a minute isn't it.

(41:17):
Zillo was putting on their real estate listings this stuff
from First Street about what they called climate risk ratings,
which is utter nonsense. So what happened was this enormous
real estate group, the California Regional Multiple Listing Service, So
the MLS is this huge database where real estate agents

(41:38):
list their homes, and then Zillo can pick that stuff
up and put it on Zillo as well. They said,
you got to stop posting this so called climate risk
stuff because it's not only is it meaningless, but when
your guy puts up where your partner puts up something
saying such and such a house as a high flood risk,
it's depressing the value of the house. And the California

(42:03):
Regional MLS, a spokesperson there said, just as an example,
one of the things he said, when we saw entire
neighborhoods with a fifty percent probability of the home flooding
this year and a ninety nine percent probability of the
home flooding in the next five years, especially in areas

(42:24):
that haven't flooded in the last forty to fifty years,
we grew very suspicious. So in any case, Zillow has
taken down this first street. Nonsense. It's all part of
the climate grift. Really, some other real estate websites still
have that stuff up. But when you see that, if

(42:45):
you're looking around and you see this kind of climate risk,
please understand that it doesn't mean anything at all. It
might as well be a random number generator. All right,
let me do this other one quickly. Here. This is
from Axios from a couple of days ago, and it's
not a headline that surprises me, but I think it's
worth talking about. And the headline is fewer people are

(43:06):
moving and it may be reshaping America. And they have
this chart of the United States of America and it shows,
based on color coding by state, which states had what
percentage of their people change residences in twenty twenty four.
And actually Colorado is one of the highest. And I
don't know the exact number, but it's over thirteen percent.

(43:27):
And it's all within a pretty narrow range. Right. Usually
you're somewhere between you know, eight and fifteen percent, right,
So Colorado is at least thirteen percent. But what's interesting
this is Axios again, America saw fewer moves than ever
in twenty twenty four. According to an analysis of census
data published this fall, roughly eleven percent of people changed

(43:47):
residences that year last year, a record low in data
going back to nineteen forty eight. It was fourteen percent
a decade ago, it was twenty percent in the nineteen
in sixties. And you've got experts saying things like a
decline in geographic mobility is the single most important social

(44:08):
change of the past half century. And there are questions
about do you not have enough money to move? There's
also real estate, very specific real estate question. Do you
not want to sell your house because you've got a
three percent mortgage? So even if you sold it for
a decent amount of money, if you go to buy
something else and you're going to be in a six
and a quarter percent mortgage, that just doesn't make any sense.

(44:29):
So people aren't selling, and therefore they are not moving.
By the way, the lowest share of movers are New
Jersey and New York at nine percent. The highest share
includes Alaska, Oklahoma, and Colorado. And I have to say, actually,
and I think what that number means is the number

(44:49):
of people moving into the state. So Colorado is still
relatively popular, but overall, the trend in the country is
really really interesting. We asked, have you ever had a
job that doesn't to exist anymore? Textas at five sixty
six nine zero, got a couple of really good ones here,
maybe more than a couple gas attendant. I wonder if

(45:10):
that still exists. I know, for a long time New Jersey,
and maybe there was one other state like Oregon or
Washington or something you couldn't pump your own gas. And
I don't know if that's still true anywhere. Ross I
was a reference librarian in nineteen seventies. We used books
to answer a myriad of questions and helped people with
the card catalog. Oh, I have fond memories of a

(45:31):
card catalog, Gina, Did you ever deal with a card catalog?
Does that sound familiar to you? Or is that like
a flubber dubber or do whatever?

Speaker 4 (45:39):
No?

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Huh okay.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Also Google AI says New Jersey is still the only
state where you can't legally pump your own gas.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Isn't that unbelievable? Ross I had a job making an
installing clay drainage tile. A machine would dig a five
foot deep trench. I would walk behind the trencher, placing
one tile at a time in the trencher and let's
see with a hook on a long handle. Now it's
all automated with plastic tubing. Ross I was a paying

(46:07):
agent on multiple municipal Colorado bonds for a bank, paid
interest on bearer bond coupons brought in by bond holders
by check. That's awesome. You guys know what bearer bonds are?
You guys heard of bearer bonds? They don't. Is that
what Hans Gruber was trying to feel? Yes, that's exactly
what Hans Gruber was trying to see that Christmas movie. Yeah,

(46:28):
in the Christmas movie with one of the greatest Christmas
movies of all time. Yeah, absolutely right. So bearer bonds
are not so much a thing anymore. I'm sure some
old ones still exist. But what it means is there's
no registered owner. Whoever is bearing the bond, whoever's holding it,
they're entitled to the interest. So if you're Hans Gruber
and you break in an OOKSONI tower and John McClain

(46:49):
is there to stop you, right, and you get these
bearer bonds, they're year, they're yours, right, if nobody catches
you go get the interest. So anyway, that's kind of cool.
A reference a reference to error bonds.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Let's see one of my favorites here from the text
lot is I stuffed cotton into aspirin bottles? I was
Inspector number seven. You've probably seen my work. Oh, I
really hope that is true. I really hope that's true too.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Whoever sent that in last three digits of phone number
looked like three nine to one. Well, you know who
you are. I need to tell your number because only
one person said it. Is that a true story? Did
you actually stuff cotton into aspirin bottles?

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Also, if you were Inspector number seven, what were all
the other inspectors doing?

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (47:34):
How many inspectors are there when? Unless you're talking about
the actual aspirin, Sure, there's probably a lot of them.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
But if it's just the bottling process inspecting whether the
cotton's in well enough? Yeah, I don't know. You needed
seven of them and there's no virtual worked in. They
all had to be working together, right, Nobody worked from
home back then? Oh my gosh, or Austin, New Jersey.
You can't pump, but at times they will let you.
We Yeah, okay, Rossy's Yeah, they still have gas attendance

(48:01):
in New Jersey. All right, we are as you know,
we'll do more of those, by the way, keeping coming
five six, six, nine zero. We are the broadcast home
of the Colorado Rockies, and Gina, you told me we
had some useful conversation to share.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Yeah, I mean speaking about jobs that still do exist.
The Rockies are adding a major piece to their front office.
They hired Dodgers Senior vice president of Baseball Operations Josh
Burns as the team's new general manager, and Koy's Connor
Streeve spoke with Voice of the Rockies Jack Corgan with
a little bit of reaction to this new GM.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Higher.

Speaker 7 (48:33):
I think Josh Burns is a great hire. I mean
you look at the resume, the pedigree. I mean he's
been a part of some championship teams with both the
Red Sox and in his most recent position with the Dodgers,
he's been a general manager. He was with the Arizona
when they faced the Rockies in the playoffs. So I

(48:57):
think Paul's comfortable with Josh. I think it's a great acquisition.

Speaker 6 (49:02):
When you look at Deep Podesta and now Burns, what
do you think this signifies about how how the Rockies
are turning in terms of their approach.

Speaker 7 (49:11):
Well, I think you're getting two things. One I think
in terms of what Paul de Podesta wants to do
is revamp, reorganize, whatever label you want to give to
the whole organization. From a baseball perspective, Having a guy
like Josh Burns with his experience in a day to

(49:36):
day leadership role allows Paul to think big picture and
yet still be active on the daily side of things.
But no one, there's a guy there with experience who
he has worked with, that he can trust.

Speaker 6 (49:53):
Can you talk more about that in terms of what
do you think the delineation of responsibilities will Because deep
Pedesta came on, I think some people initially thought he
was the GM, right, Yes.

Speaker 7 (50:05):
I mean it is a much bigger picture Connor in
that regard. I think in the case of the Rockies
hiring Paul Dee Potesta, it was with the idea that
we need to look at our big picture and that's
going to take some time and to be the day

(50:26):
to day general manager of the big league club would
create a challenge in that regard. So by bringing in
Josh it allows Paul to still work on that idea.
Of a real big picture look while still being able
to be involved with what's happening on a daily basis.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
That's voice the Rockies, Jack Corgan.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
The fifty five year old Burns takes over for Bill Schmidt,
who stepped down after the season following a long tenure
with the Rockies.

Speaker 7 (50:56):
And Ross.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Speaking of the Rockies, one texter for a job said,
I sold baseball.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Bonds for course field baseball bonds. I have so raising
money to build the stadium.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Because when I first read it too, I was like
what And that's exactly when you search it.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
That's like bonds to yeah, wow, open the stadium. I
wonder if those are still out there, if they've all
been paid off. I don't know how long those those
bonds were. And that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. All right.
We still have a ton of stuff to do on
the show today and we only have an hour to
do it. When we come back, we're into something a
little different. We're going to talk about kids and tech
and AI and just what is so important for your

(51:35):
kids and mine and grandkids to know as we head
into this brave new world. Still a little icy, still
a little dangerous, be a little careful. So let me
set up this conversation in a particular way. My younger
kid loves computer games, has always loved this stuff, likes
to talk about what's involved in making computer games and

(51:57):
how big a project it is, and he's long been
interested in that kind of thing. And I know that
doesn't make him unique. There are lots and lots of
kids who, you know, see this world of these these
huge games, and you see these billion dollar numbers, and
they want to be part of it. But just in
the past couple of years or so, for my kids,
he's thinking about it. He sees AI coming around and

(52:17):
thinking they're not going to be nearly as many jobs
available in that in that kind of work. And I
think there's a generalizable sort of concept that AI is
going to change a lot of things and it's going
to kill a lot of jobs. It'll probably also create
a lot of jobs. Anyway, that's much too long in introduction.

(52:38):
Joining us to talk about why it's so important for students,
for kids to understand how to use technology and what's
coming especially AI is Ed Kim, who is vice president
of Education and Training at Code Ninjas, and that's their website,
Code Ninjas dot com ed, Welcome to Kowa. Thanks for

(52:59):
being here.

Speaker 8 (53:02):
Wow, thanks for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
So why do you just pick up on I didn't
ask you a question, but just pick up on what
I said and tell me where you want to take that.

Speaker 8 (53:15):
I think it's something you said in the middle of
your opening statement about how there will be new jobs created, right.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Excuse me.

Speaker 8 (53:23):
So with any technology disruption, let's take back even to
like search engines when they first came out, killed a
lot of jobs, but also created a lot of jobs.

Speaker 7 (53:31):
Right.

Speaker 8 (53:31):
This whole field, for example, around SEO, blossomed around you know,
Google search and online search. So I think with AI
it is definitely going to get rid of a lot
of jobs. However, the limitation with AI that we are
seeing today is that the applications are so myriad that
being able to continually develop and apply AI in each

(53:53):
particular niche in our society to replace jobs. I think
it's still yet to be seen. There will be jobs,
I think that's but there are more jobs that will
be created. There'll be new jobs that we can even
project right now that'll be created. I think the main
thing to keep in mind for the kids when we
educate them is to.

Speaker 9 (54:10):
Make them power users of aim, being dependent on AI entirely.
I think one of the challenges that we face is that,
you know, the same thing we saw when Google first
came out and searching this first came out, is there
was a portion of the population of kids that really
learned how to use it effectively and really leverage it
for their needs. And there's a portion of the population
of kids who never learned that.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Right.

Speaker 8 (54:31):
I think we have to avoid that same challenge or
that same missed opportunity and make sure all the kids
know how to use AI in the right ways so
they can achieve their goals every day. And it's going
to apply in every kind of job. But I don't
think AI is going to replace humans entirely to that extent, right.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
So I am. I am of the age of people
who were kind of the first people ever to be
able to have personal compute really at any kind of
affordable price at home. So, and we were talking about
this briefly on the show before ed So I bought.
I bought my first computer in nineteen eighty one, okay,

(55:10):
and Apple two plus, and I don't have it anymore.
I wish I did, And through this whole time, I've
been pretty much of an early adopter of a lot
of things, but I have never seen the pace of
change as fast as it is now. Even during the
rise of the of the interwebs. It is changing like

(55:32):
every month, AI can do stuff that it couldn't do
a month before. So, as someone who's involved in teaching,
how what do you teach kids that is is something
that lasts them, that has value to them for more
than a month.

Speaker 8 (55:51):
Yeah, that's a great question. I'll use the context of
one of our new programs we released. Codenines recently put
out a new program called AI Academy. It's about one
hundred and twenty hours of learning content for kids eight
to fourteen. But our focus in that academy is not
so much teaching kids how to program AI. It's how
do you manage AI? When do you use which tools

(56:13):
in which scenarios. So, for example, we'll teach kids how
to use mid journeys AI tools to create to do
graphic design or creative design, you know objectives. They might
hop over just using chat GPT to learn how to
use just general search, you know, general search on that,
or they might hop over to grammarly and learn how

(56:33):
to use AI to better improve their writing. The challenge
that we're facing that we want to teach kids is
that we don't want them to be so dependent on
AI they don't know the base skills behind writing, behind conceptualizing,
behind storyboarding, behind drawing things like that. Right, So our
goal in educating kids is saying, hey, this tool is there,
it makes your life significantly easier, but if you become

(56:55):
to reliant on it, this is where you're going to
get stuck. So this is, you know, think, is how
to bridge that gap better than we did with our technology.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
We're talking with Ed Kim from code Ninja's website code
ninjas dot com. One of the things every parent of
a student worries about is they're using AI to cheat
or something less than cheating, but just kind of have
it do some work and some thinking for them so
that they just don't develop the ability the ability to

(57:25):
think as well as they otherwise might. How do you
edumicate kids to not, you know, not do that?

Speaker 8 (57:35):
So I have a two part response to that, actually,
So the first part is that we just have to
do the best we can with monitoring their use It's
like when YouTube first came out, Google first came out,
and kit started getting online, and there weren't parental controls
developed in the beginning. Us as parents and as educators,
we have to do our best job we can and
every day just keeping an eye on how they use

(57:55):
AI until education cardrails are built. Now, word around the
fences that the big AI companies are diving into the
applications and education finally, so they're starting to think about
the guardrails that we need in this technology. So one
thing you'll see with any technological innovation is that it
takes a number of years before the education side of
it gets hit right. They think of the guardrails, think

(58:16):
of the policies, the protective tools, things like that for
the students. So there's that piece coming up. I think
the second part of my response is also me as
an expert, saying that I'm not sure where the answer is.
That is this challenge we're facing now at college emissions,
for example, kids are using it not to write the
college essays. And I think there is software being developed

(58:37):
to detect whether AI is being used. It's still not
really accurate, but it's getting there. I think it's more,
the only solution is time. As fast as AI is developing,
we also need to give these developers time to think
about the guardrails, think about the tools, think about enhancements
that will improve user experience in the right way.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
All right, one last question, and you might not have
an answer to this, but as you think about this hypothetically,
and this is really a question of your imagination as
much as anything else, give me an example of a
kind of job that you think might be created by AI.
Because we spend so much time talking about jobs that
are going to be destroyed. Do you have an idea
of a job that might be created by the existence

(59:19):
of AI? I do.

Speaker 8 (59:22):
That's a great question, but I do because I've been
thinking about this recently as well, and that the title
is going to sound weird, but I get the feeling
there'll be something called like a validity engineer of sorts,
because one of the biggest challenges facing AI is the
hallucination effect. Right, if it pulls off the wrong data source,
you need human engineers to correct how it's pulling down

(59:43):
and where it's pulling it from. Right, So you probably
will have a new job of just managing the how
correct or which data. It's a data management mixed with
verifying that the data.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Is high tech fact checker. I tell you that that's
an interesting answer, and we're about out of time here,
so let me just I'll give you one quick comment
on that, and that is that at some point we're
not gonna need it anymore. A I is gonna get
smart enough to fact check itself. And the other thing is,
as long as we do need people like that, people

(01:00:19):
are not going to rely on a AI as much
as they otherwise might because people will see AI as unreliable,
which is a huge challenge, which is why they need
to train it to fact check itself. Ed Kim is
vice president of education and Training at Code Ninjas. That's
code ninjas dot com. That's a great conversation. Thanks so
much for your time.

Speaker 8 (01:00:37):
Ed, thanks a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Thanks to the listeners who've texted in saying how much
they enjoyed that interview I did. I did as well.
You can keep keep in touch with me and Gina
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(01:01:03):
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(01:01:26):
Catching AI for teachers is tough. They rely on AI detectors,
but they don't get it right all the time. My
daughter is a straight A students and she's had essays
pulled aside for being written by AI. But it wasn't.
They weren't. The teacher knows that wouldn't be like her,
so let's it through. But the use of AI goes

(01:01:46):
both ways for students and teachers. And I think that
that's happened to my kid. That's happened to my younger kid.
He got I think the teacher was going to fail
him on a paper saying hey I wrote this, but
hey I didn't write it, and he went and talked
with the teacher.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
And I feel like everything I look at and read nowadays.
I question even a Spotify wrapped dropped, and they do
a bunch of summaries of like, here's the music that
you listened to last year, and I was like, this
is definitely AI. I was like, this whole summary of
what I listened to has to be AI. I think
you just questioned everything, including images that you look at nowadays,
just you know, artwork that's done by I don't know

(01:02:25):
any type of business.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
You go did they actually make this or is it AI? Okay,
So that's right on point with an experience I had yesterday.
Kristin and I are looking at buying a thing. I
won't get into the details of what it is, but
it's a thing made out of metal, and it's on
Amazon and the well, i'll just tell you what it is,
like a metal They call it a pergola, like a
thing that we would build around the hot tub with

(01:02:46):
a cover so we keep the snow from getting on
the hot tub. Yeah, it's metal and this and this
Amazon it's eight hundred bucks. And and they showed a
picture saying the other companies and it shows kind of
rusty and not holding up to the weather very well.
But when you look at the image, it doesn't look
like a photo, and it's not quite good enough. It

(01:03:06):
looks like someone used AI where they said, take this
image and make it look like it's getting a little
rusty or something. There's a whole.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Social media influencer that I think is so cool where
she literally she must waste a ton of money, but
her whole gimmick is I knew this was AI, but
I bought it anyways.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
And it's always looking at things like that, like is
this actually going to be the product I was looking for?
And then sure enough it shows up and it's nothing
like the photo by any means.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
So all right, so this raises so many interesting things.
So right, So Gina's saying it could be text, but
it could also be an image. Yeah, Like you're you've
become very skeptical of an immense amount of content that
you see online.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
And it's not even just online too, it's generally in stores, like,
for example, you look at a piece of artwork and
it's at a craft fair somewhere, like that's so cool,
And then I'm like, am I buying an AI image
right now?

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Yeah? And my older kid not so much on this path. Anymore,
but was thinking about being an artist and then just thought,
nobody's gonna believe it. Yeah, and I'm gonna be compete.
I'm gonna I'm gonna take two weeks to make this painting,
and somebody else is gonna make a painting in seventeen
seconds by telling an AI that's connected to some kind
of machine that has a paintbrush attached to it. And

(01:04:17):
I'm sure that probably exists already.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Or even if he makes a beautiful piece of artwork,
somebody will steal it. Someone will steal it and create
tons of them cheaper through AI.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
So here, here's what it reminds me of. And this
is kind of sort of as president of the Bad
Analogy Club. But I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you this too,
because you're a female of the species and a little
bit more. Even though you do not strike me as
the kind of person who's out there buying fancy name
brand luxury Gucci stuff. But when I see somebody carrying

(01:04:50):
a Louis Vuitton, I assume it's fake. Now, oh yeah, yeah, right?
And how bad is that for the actual Louis Vuitton brand?
And there are still people who will go pay seven
thousand dollars for one of those bags, right, whatever that is.
And I know you're not that person, and neither am
I and my wife's not and all that, But but

(01:05:11):
how bad is that for Louis Vautan if they know
that half of the people who see that woman or
guy carrying the Louis Vuitton thing are gonna think it's fake? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Yeah, And some of those designer handbags look fake to
begin with because they're so gaudy, or they do some
big color some or they're really tiny or whatever. Yeah,
and it's just so easy for them, just a mass
producer and saying, oh, there's not even probably a third
of the price of what you're paying for them one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
So I've just got him in here. When I was
in college, there's this neighborhood towards the south end of
Manhattan called Canal Street. It's in near Chinatown, yep. And
Canal Street had all these electronics stores and stuff. But
it also had all these street vendors, right, and they'd
be selling fake everything, fake Rolex, fake RayBan sunglasses, fake Gucci,

(01:05:59):
Louis Vuitton on everything. But the thing was, and I'm
talking about the eighties now, right, so I was doing
that like for you were born. That's how old I am.
And and but you could always tell they were fake,
oh right, Like the Rolelex if you wore, if it
got wet, it would turn your arm green, right right,
And the and the Louis Vatan you could tell that
sometimes there'd be a misspelling, and the and the and

(01:06:21):
the quality of the sewing ones. But these days the
fakes are so good. And I just I have only
questions and not answers for these companies. How do you
protect your brand? And then similarly, how do you protect
a brand against AI? How do you protect an industry
against I don't know. I absolutely have no idea at all. Yeah,

(01:06:46):
all right, So we still have an immense amount of
stuff to do here, and I'm just gonna hand it off,
keep it right here on KOA breaking news here I
want to share with you still kind of early in
this story, but do you recall back at the time
of the January sixth, twenty twenty one riots around the Capitol,
that there were a couple of pipe bombs found that

(01:07:09):
they didn't explode, and the pipe bombs were planted the
night before they were found. And this has been investigated
for five years. Now, Well, the news this morning is
they've arrested somebody. The New York Times does not have
a name. I see something on the television right now
where they're talking about it. But apparently a suspect is

(01:07:33):
in custody, and it will be pretty interesting when eventually
we learn what the motive was, because you know, some
people thought it would be somebody of a particular political persuasion.
Other people have thought it would be someone of the
opposite persuasion trying to create a false flag and all that.
I'm not going to get into all that speculation more
right now. I just wanted to let you know that

(01:07:54):
that news seems to be breaking right now that they've
got somebody in custody. It would have been probably a
lot of people. I don't even know what I'm talking about,
because the pipe bombs didn't explode. If they had exploded,
everybody would know what I'm talking about. But it was
maybe a sort of an inside baseball thing. But wanted
to just make sure you were aware of that. Okay,

(01:08:14):
Yesterday afternoon, President Trump had a huge gathering in the
Oval Office on television, and he had the Secretary of
Transportation with him at least half a dozen members of
the House and Senate and the head of Ford in,
the head of Stalantis, and I don't recall if there
was a GM person there and head of the National

(01:08:35):
Auto Dealers Association talking about the Trump administration massively reforming
rolling back changes to fuel economy standards that had been imposed. Well,
I think it first came around, maybe under Obama when
they first started really raising these things. But the Biden
administration went crazy and they put fuel economy standards in

(01:08:59):
that were impossible, literally impossible to meet in the timeframe
mentioned unless you forced half of Americans to drive electric cars.
So I wanted to share with you here a little
bit of audio from Kevin Hassett, who is the top

(01:09:20):
economic advisor to President Trump, and some people think he
might be nominated to be the next chairman of the
Federal Reserve. Who knows, but I just wanted to hear
a little bit of what he had to say about
this on Fox News. I think it was this morning.

Speaker 10 (01:09:36):
One of the things that we saw as we were
studying the Biden policies towards auto automobiles is that they
were trying to basically end the internal combustion engine with
fuel economy standards that were crazy. I had my staff
go around and look at car dealerships of the DC
area and find the car that had the best gas
mileage that was just burning gasoline, and they found a

(01:09:57):
couple of smaller cars that had gas mile of thirty
six miles per gallon. The Biden administration was set to
increase the required fuel economy for US fleet cars to
fifty one miles per gallon, and so therefore there's basically
no car anywhere in the US that's being made that
would meet that standard. So otherwise, what they're doing is

(01:10:20):
they're trying to make everybody buy electric cars. And you know,
I think electric cars have a place, but it's an
incredibly disruptive thing to do. So you think about everybody
that has a gas station with a convenience store next
to it, every autoworker that works up in Michigan, you know,
building engines are in Tennessee for internal combustion engines, They're
all going to be out.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Of a job if we have that happened.

Speaker 10 (01:10:43):
But the other thing that I said when I was
at the Oval with the President is that if you
take you know, people use a lot of energy driving around,
and gasoline has a lot of energy in it, and
so if we take all the gasoline and set it
to zero and make people drive electric cars, then it
increases the amount of electricity we have to have in
the electric grid by twenty five percent, which is about

(01:11:03):
as much as the grid has gone up since nineteen seventy.
So in other words, it's they're making it so that
there are no cars that you could buy, and gas
prices go through the roof, and there's an impossible increase
in electricity generation that's required that they're going to try
to do without fossil fuels.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
All right, So I'll leave that there. That was a
long clip already, but he had a lot to say,
and I thought that was a useful thing to hear.
So the other thing that I want to make so
this is getting a lot of attention, and deservedly so.
And I give them three full cheers, not just two cheers,
not half hearted cheers. This is awesome, And you know,
I always try. I know people get very emotional about

(01:11:40):
President Trump, and sometimes people have a hard People who
love him have a hard time criticizing him, and people
who hate him have a hard time praising him, and
I try to stay away from loving him or hating
him and just talk about when he does something right,
I say he did this right. When he does something wrong,
I said he did something wrong. This is very, very right.
This is a great thing because what the Biden administration
was doing was insane, and it was trying to force

(01:12:02):
people to buy vehicles they didn't want. It was very
distortive of the market, as Kevin Hassett said, And this
is a great thing. And you're gonna have some of
the radical environmental groups talking about dirty air and all
this stuff. It's nonsense. Cars are gonna keep getting cleaner,
they're gonna keep getting more efficient because because consumers want
that to some degree at least, right, I mean, you're

(01:12:24):
not gonna want to buy a car that gets sixty
miles per gallon because it weighs eighty seven pounds, so
if you get in a car accident, you're gonna die.
And this is actually part of the changes that happened
when they were working all this stuff. And it's not bad.
I'm just saying you don't want to take it too far.
They started using lighter and lighter materials, right. They switched

(01:12:45):
steel to aluminum. They switch illuminum in some other things.
As long as the car is safe, that's fine. But
at some point it becomes very difficult to make a
car much more fuel efficient without making it massively underpowered
or much lighter, and it can be difficult to make
it lighter without make it less safe. Okay, So a
lot of attention to that, and deservedly so, and three
cheers to Trump for that. The other thing I want

(01:13:06):
to mention just quickly, and it's not getting nearly as
much attention, but it's very interesting is that the White
House is looking to end in two or three years
the trading of carbon credits from automotive companies and what
the Biden administration I think it actually predated them, but
what they had set up was you can't emit more

(01:13:28):
than some amount of carbon, and if you do, you
have to pay a penalty or a tax. But if
there is some company that is creating less carbon than
they're allowed to, they have this extra they can sell it.
So if Tesla is not generating vehicles that put out
carbon and Ford is, Tesla can sell these credits to Ford,

(01:13:52):
and then Ford is in compliance without a penalty, right
and without this extra tax. The White House is looking
to end that. And what's interesting about that is for
some car makers, like Tesla and like Rivian, that particular
trading is an immense part of their income. I think
this is kind of built into stock prices already because

(01:14:13):
I think they sort of knew it was coming. But
I think it is also a wonderful policy change. I
actually had to look up with this means, because yeah,
so Gina gave me this link the annual app recaps
for twenty twenty five all wrapped up, and then Denver's
Spotify wrapped is out and you were actually talking about this.

(01:14:35):
I heard you at the end of Colorado's Morning News today, which,
by the way, everybody should listen to if you're a
week between five and six, listen to Colorado's Morning News
with Gina because I do every morning and I learn
a lot. What are we talking about here?

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
So that was a fun one earlier this morning because
I spoke with a Google trends expert who did their
entire list of the top searches.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
In Google for twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
But it feels like every app, every outlet, every news source,
everything nowadays has has a wrapped a year in review
in some way, I know AP does one. I literally
had a dual lingo wrapped that showed how little Spanish
I've learned in the in the twelve hundred days that
I've been quote unquote learning Spanish.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Do the rest of the segment in Spanish? Absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
The funniest thing was this wasn't even planned too. While
we were talking about this the subject, I literally got
an email that says, here's your iHeart rewind of twenty
twenty five. Uh huh, And I tuned into iHeartRadio for
eight hundred and sixteen minutes. My top listening day was
April twenty fifth.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
I have no idea. It was a random Friday. I'm
not sure what was happening there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
I have sent five talkbacks, probably to test to make
sure our talkbacks were working.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Is it always KOA or are you listening to KBLI?

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Yeah, I have four presets because I have pretty much
all of the KBCO ktcl hits. That's like my presets
set up with KOA is number one my favorite station. Oh,
you've listened to KOA for seven hundred and twenty eight minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
In twenty twenty five. Okay, there you go well, yeaes.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
Spotify raped is a big one that people do every
year because it takes all your Spotify listening numbers and
really categorizes your top artists. You most listen to songs
that people always love to share them and compare them.
Then I usually don't share mine because my listening minutes
is very, very low for someone who says that I
really like to listen to music, it's just abysmal because

(01:16:24):
generally we're only listening to my husband Spotify, so he's
got tens of thousands minutes and mine is like nine
thousand or something.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
My older kid listens to lots of music and is
explaining to me that this Spotify playlist stuff is almost
like a form of social media for his generation, and
then people share this stuff and talk about the music
and all this listen.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
I don't know if this is a true story, and
I'm probably spewing lies right here, but I saw an
article woods that literally said that younger generations are really
into listening to Vinyl, but they don't want to screw
up their Spotify rapped, so they're playing the song on
their Spotify to count as a song listened to on
their Spotify app while listening to a vinyl because they

(01:17:11):
want to make sure that they can still show their
friends on social media that that was their top listen
to albums.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
I believe it one hundred percent. I absolutely believe it,
all right, So that's another three hours at Radio Magic.
We got a lot of fun stuff ready for you
on Friday. I'll just mention one quick thing because Gina
just mentioned it as she was looking at the so
called show sheet. For tomorrow, we'll be talking with Aaron
Bird from Denver Botanic Gardens at the end of the

(01:17:39):
Let's see what time is that seven thirty? Do I
have that set up for seven thirty? Anyway, we're gonna
be talking with her tomorrow and forty seven, and we're
gonna be giving away some tickets to the cool lighting
stuff they got, the Blossoms of Light, Blossoms of Light,
and another one I think is called Trails of Light. Right,
So one is at the Orc Street location. One is
at the Chain I Feel location. We're gonna be giving

(01:18:01):
away and take us to that tomorrow along with lots
of other stuff, including hopefully named that tune Michael brown
O next. Keep it here on Kowa