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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You may know Rick as a guy who does stats
for Broncos road games and now, for the second year
in a row, did stats for the Kansas City Chiefs
Spanish language broadcast of the Super Bowl, which seems like
a pretty cool gig, and we talked about it last time,
and I just thought it would be fun to have
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Rick on the day after the game, just from a
really nerdy perspective to talk about, you know what he
found interesting in terms of football stats in yesterday's game.
And Rick, I'll just mention one to start because I
mentioned it earlier in the show. It was was actually
quite surprising that the first player in the Super Bowl
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era to score a touchdown on his birthday was not
sa Quon Barkley, whose birthday was yesterday, but was Cooper dejen.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Of the of the Eagles. I thought that was a
pretty cool stat.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I agree with you, especially he's only twenty two years
old on top of it all, and you know, his
first Super Bowl and to have a pick six and
pick six is aren't all that?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Colmon?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That was a sixteenth pick six in Super Bowl history
and kind of a nerdy sort of thing. Every player
but one who has had a pick six in the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
His team is won.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
So only once has it not worked that way, and
that was Robert Alfred of the Falcons back in Super
Bowl fifty one.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
So it was a great birthday clearly for Cooper to chieve.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
But you're right, people would have expected if anybody would
have had a birthday Super Bowl touchdown save one, Barkley
would have been the guy.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
The odds of him scoring two touchdowns were not much
worse than the odds of almost anybody else scoring one touchdown.
And yet and yet he scored none. The other thing
that I want to mention to you yesterday to you
was when we spent some time I'm talking about scoreagami's, which,
for those who who missed that conversation, a score agami
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is when an NFL game ends in a score that
has never happened in the NFL before. And you had said,
and this makes perfect sense that scoreagami's are more likely
in very high scoring games, right, especially when one team
gets an immense number of points, because it just doesn't
happen that often. So when I saw the Eagles had forty,
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you know, I thought to myself, this has this has
some potential.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
So I'm wondering if you actually went to look it up.
Yesterday was not a score of Gami.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
But do you know how many other forty to twenty
two games there have been in NFL history?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I do, and I was actually at that game.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
It's only happened one other time before, and that was
back in two thousand and four when the Patriots defeated
the Rams in Saint Louis forty to twenty two in
a regular season game. That's the only time it's happened.
So I was wondering that as well, the first time,
by the way, that a team had scored forty points,
even in a Super Bowl. Now last year, twenty two
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was also the losing score when the Chiefs won twenty
five to twenty two in overtime. So it was very
close to being a scorer Gulley, but not quite.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Folks.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
If you have any questions for Rick, just text us
at five six, six nine zero.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Why were you at that game?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Well back then, I was doing the Rams games for
their radio network back in two thousand and four and
just happened to be there in Saint Louis for that
particular game, and it was sort of noteworthy because if
I remember correctly. The Patriots scored on a fake field
goal with Adam Vincieri I think involved in throwing a
touchdown pass of all things.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I think I remember that one, all right. So let's
just talk about what you found most interesting from the
perspective of what you do about yesterday's game.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Well, one thing that certainly into my mind is the
fact that it was such a blowout again, you know,
to have the Eagles up thirty four to nothing at
one point was shocking enough. It tied the most unanswered
points they'd had all season. Actually, the Chiefs had given
up more than thirty four unanswered points when they played
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the Broncos in the final game of the regular season.
But one of the things that we now have found
out in fifty nine Super Bowls, when the AFC West
team goes to the Super Bowl, they've won ten, they've
lost eleven. But in all eleven losses, the AFC West
team has lost by at least seventeen points. Wow, which
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is like staggering. Yeah, averages twenty five point six points
in defeat for an AFC West team, and all four
teams have been there. The Chargers only once, the Broncos
quite a few times, certainly, but it's just amazing that
there hasn't been a close for an.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
AFC WES team.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
When they win, they might win a close one, but
when it's a loss, my goodness, they know how to lose,
let's put it that way. So that one really kind
of jumped out at me as the game was unfolding.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
You know, I heard a lot of people before the
game say something that I thought made sense then and
it did play out that way, which is if if
the Eagles win, it's probably not going to be a
very close game, despite the betting line being one or
one and a half.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
But if it's very close near the end, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
To bet against Mahomes in a tight game where you
know someone's got to drive down the field to kick
a field goal or score a touchdown, it's hard to
be but against him in that circumstance.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, and even last night in a blowout situation, you know,
the Chiefs in their first nine drives had no drive
of more than five plays. And that's great if you're
moving the ball down the field and you had big plays,
But the Chiefs had no more than seventeen yards in
any of the first nine drives. But you still had
myhome homes ending up throwing three touchdown passes, and you know,
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even in the late stages of the fourth quarter, when
the game was clearly out of hand, there it was
actually coming alive and throwing some touchdown passes and making
it not really interesting. But the score looked better than
it really was in reality.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, yeah, that game was not as close as the
final score showed. A listener wants to know how many
times have there been how many times have there been
a Super Bowl where two players on the winning team
had a birthday on the day of the game.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Well, I suppose there might have been a game with one,
but I had not heard of anything like that where
he had two players on the same team with their
birthday on the Super Bowl day itself. Because let's facically,
the Super Bowl moves around. I mean, this year it
was on the ninth and last year it wasn't know,
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it was like on the tenth or something. So it
does move around. So it's interesting, But I don't think
that's happened before.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
So were you bored yesterday or do you never get?
It was?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
From a football fans perspective, it was a boring game,
but based on what you do. There's always new statistics
being generated.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
No question.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I mean, at least we had one good one for
the Eagles as the game went along with Barkley broke
Terrell Davis's record for the most rushing yards in the season,
counting postseason play. So I mean that was kind of
a nice positive one, but so many of the stats
were pretty negative in nature.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I mean, the.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Chiefs had a first down in their first play of
the game, they didn't have another first down the entire
first half, and you'd have to go back to Super
Bowl twenty when the Bears, the Bears from nineteen eighty
five defeated New England when New England was held at
one first down in the first half, and they had
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negative yardage in that game in the first half of
the Chiefs and the Chiefs also they didn't have more
first downs than punts until about six forty five left
in the game. Well, I mean, that's just bizarre and
to have, but you know, to have twenty plays in
twenty three yards in the first half. The Eagles had
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twenty four points at the half and the Chiefs had
twenty three yards total offense. So I'm still looking for
things like that as the game goes along, and obviously
the stats were not looking good for the Chiefs that
they were great for the Eagles, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
We're talking with Rick Winer.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
He does Broncos road game statistics for the Broncos when
they travel and now for the second year in a row,
he handled Super Bowl stats for the Chiefs Spanish language broadcast.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Where were you sitting?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Actually, our location wasn't too bad.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
We were about at the ten yard line, located at
the top of the lower bowl of seating, so all
things considered, not so bad. Last year in Vegas, we
were in the end zone, and it's really hard to
do a game from the end zone.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Because the perspective it's so hard to tell the yard.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Lines when you're looking at it straight down the field
from an end zone. So this was a better advantage point.
The only problem is we had a lot of Eagles
fans in front of us who stood pretty much the
whole night during the game, so we had to kind
of stand up in order to see what was going
on out there as well.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
When you're doing your job, do you get to enjoy
the game or are you so hyper focused on this
is happening and that's happening that you're barely even taking
it in the way an ordinary spectator might.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
It's a question I get asked frequently, and I think
I've sort of trained myself over the years to appreciate
the game as it unfolds, so that I'm not just
crunching numbers the whole time. I'm really trying to appreciate
what's going on. Plus I'm trying to look for trends
of the game, So I really want to watch the
game and see what's happening, and certainly I want to
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listen to what the announcers are saying so that I
can come up with information that hopefully backs up what
they're saying as well.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I'm curious.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
What it was like to have the President of the
United States there for the first time that a sitting
president has ever been to a Super Bowl, And what
did you see?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Actually, once I got into the stadium, I really didn't
see anything that felt that different than other times. The
Super Bowl is always a really tightly secured event anyway,
so I'm kind of used to that. But I did
notice that there seemed to be more secret service and
more tsa folks when it came to checking in going
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through security itself just to get inside the perimeter of
the Superdome. I thought that was a little bit more
noticeable this time around than other times, but it's always
been in that way ever since.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Nine to eleven.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Listener Andy says, and I hadn't. I hadn't thought about this,
But he's probably right that yesterday was the first time
that the Chiefs have lost when Taylor Swift was at
the game?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Is that right? Do you know?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I think that is probably right. She's she had been
a real good luck charm.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
For them, and of course you got to remember that
she's hadn't lost that many games since you know, she
and Travis Kelsey started seeing each other.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
So I think that's.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Probably correct, and it just goes to show, you know,
you can be a good luck charm, but that can
only take you so far. The Eagles just, you know,
totally outplayed the Chiefs yesterday.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, I've never especially in the first half.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
You know, if that was unbelievable, it was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
You know, those numbers were just staggering. Mahome's quarterback passer
rating at halftime was ten point seven. Now, if you
if you or I went out there and threw one
incomplete path the first half, our rating would be thirty
nine point six, and this was ten point seven because
he had two interceptions. He had only completed six passes
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for thirty three yards, and on top of that, he
got sacked three times in the first half, so the
net passing yard age was twenty wow, amazing, and they
only ran the ball three times in the first half
and game three yards. So Pacheco, who had been the
leading rusher for the Chiefs when they beat the Eagles
two years ago, ended up with seven yards on three
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carries in this game. And Harrison Becker, who was the
leading scorer last year's Super Bowl or the kicker, he
had no points last night because the Chiefs went for
two points after all three touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Right, and they didn't attempt a field goal, pretty right,
So has when's when's the last time that a Super
Bowl kicker had zero points in a game?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Well, well, I certinly would think going back to when
the Broncos lost to Seattle forty three to eight, the
Broncos scored a touchdown with a two point conversion, So
that probably is the last time, if I'm not mistaken
that that's happened.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, I didn't think it had never happened before, but
it's probably not the most common thing because normally very
few teams get shut out, and.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Especially hasn't had. That's right. No shoutouts in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
No shoutouts in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And normally, at least on your first touchdown, unless you're
way behind already by some unusual score, normally on your
first touchdown you would kick the extra point rather than
go for two.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
That's correct, that's right.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I'm thinking back Super Bowl nine that was played also
in New Orleans, the Steelers first Super Bowl win against Minnesota.
The final score was sixteen to six, and the Vikings
scored a touchdown but missed the extra point. So that
would be another time. If there were any in between,
they're not coming in my mind right off the top
it that those two come to mind.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
All right.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Last question for you, Rick, other than the dude scoring
a touchdown on his birthday, did you catch anything that
happened in yesterday's Super Bowl that had never before happened
in a Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Well?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yes, Xavier Worthy of the Chiefs who had one, He
had one catch for one yard in the first half.
He ended up with two fifty yard receptions in the
second half, ended up with one hundred and fifty seven
yards receiving, and he became the first that was the
most yardage for a receiver in a losing effort ever
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in a Super Bowl. And the other thing too, is
in yesterday's game was the first time in Super Bowl
history that both quarterbacks were the leading rushers for their
respective teams.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Wow, you know, there was a bet yesterday and I
didn't even look how it came out. It probably came
out pretty pretty close. There was a bet and it
was like even money. You could go either way with
even even money or you know, minus one ten on
either who will have more rushing yards sake one Barkley
or the entire Chiefs team.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
And I actually don't know the result.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Well, Barkley, although he did not have a big game,
he still had more rushing yards than the Chiefs, but
just rushing.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Didn't he only have like forty yards rushing or something?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Had he had fifty nine I believe, okay, fifty seven
fifty seven oh twenty five carries for fifty seven yards. Yeah,
the Chiefs had eleven carries for forty nine yards and
Mahomes led the way with a whopping twenty five yards total.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Unbelievable, unbelievable. All right, last question for you. Did you
have fun?
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
It never gets old, thankfully, and that's a good thing
because I've been so fortunate to be at so many
of them. But it is so fun regardless of you
if your team wins or loses. It's such a spectacle.
It's a little bit of a circus, but it is
still great fun.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Rick Weiner is a practicing psychiatrist and the Denver Broncos
road statistician who handled the chief Spanish language broadcast statistics
this year for second year.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
In a row.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Rick, god willing, you won't be doing this for the
Chiefs next year.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Maybe for the Broncos, though with a little bit of.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Luck, wouldn't hurt my feelings. That would be great.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Thanks for your time, Rick, great conversation. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
My pleasure. Thanks for having me on again.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
All right, Safe drive home.