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February 19, 2025 13 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I know I mentioned this in the past, but I
don't think i've mentioned it in the last at least
a week or so.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
But there's still a few tickets.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Available, not very many, for what's going to be one
of my favorite things of the year when I get
to once again host Cjbox for the Douglas County Public Libraries.
And if you go to dcl dot org you can
find the information there. But it's Saturday, March first, so
it's a Saturday evening that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
And it's actually pretty cheap, right The general.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Admission is only thirty five bucks and that includes the book,
and Cj'll sign it for you. And then if you're
going and you want to bring someone else who doesn't
need their own book, a companion ticket's only twenty bucks.
And so CJ and I'll be up on stage and
we're going to talk about his new book that I'm
holding in my hand right now, called Battle Mountain, and
it is I think the twenty fifth book in the

(00:54):
Joe Pickett series. And CJ joins me to talk about it. Hey, CJ,
good to see you, man, good to see you. Thanks,
thanks for having me back Ross. It's I appreciate it,
so am I Am I right that it's the twenty
fifth Joe Picket book.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yes it is. It's hard for me to believe that
it is, but yes it is. You know, when I
first started, I didn't think there would be a book
two in the Joe Picket series.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
So here it is, twenty five years later. Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
One of my favorite things about this series you've you've
I think you've written a book a year for twenty
five years, because I think that's even the publication dates.
I think if you go look them, look them up,
it's like, you know, two thousand and one, two thousand
and two, or like one a year.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
It's pretty amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
And in the book, in the books, the characters, and
you especially notice it in the children age a year
with every book that you write, which is pretty fabulous.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
You know, a couple of years ago I realized all
of a sudden, I look up and I thought, I
don't know how old Joe Pickett is, And so I
had to go back to the very first book, to
one little line that said he was thirty two at
the time, and then go book by book by book
because most take place a year after the last one.
But some are just a few months. Some are back

(02:15):
to back and figured out the chronology. And yeah, he's
now fifty one, his daughters are all grown and out
of the house. It's they've been an empty nest except
for a little girl who they're they're watching over. So yeah,
it's a whole different situation now.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
And for those who don't know, maybe new to CJ
even though he's been on the show many times. CJ
is he's in Wyoming, but he went to school at DU.
And just just for fun, just tell us a little
bit about your connection to Denver.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Oh well, gee, I mean, anybody in Wyoming has lots
of connections in Denver every time we fly anywhere or
go anywhere or do anything. But I grew up in Wyoming,
went to DU on a journalism scholarship.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
I met my lovely wife, she's from Littleton.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
There, and then when we got married, we moved to Saratoga, Wyoming,
but most of her relatives, all of her relatives were
in and around Colorado and Denver, so we used to
spend a lot of time going back and forth. I
don't do it as much anymore because a lot of
them have moved or moved on. But you know, yeah,
Denver's the heartbeat of everything we do in Wyoming and

(03:33):
any time we want to go anywhere.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Didn't didn't you write for some local, maybe not so
large publications around here or was that all up in
Wyoming when you were like a cub journalist?

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Where were you?

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Well?

Speaker 3 (03:46):
I was Luckily when I went to du I was
the entertainment and restaurant critic for the newspaper, which was
great because I had no money to do any of
those things on my own, so I got to do
them for free.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
And go out on dates.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
But most of the writing I did for newspapers, it
was in Wyoming. Little weeklies had a column for a while,
and that's when I first started working on a novel,
way back when, when I was at the Saratoga sum
newspaper in Wyoming, and it took twenty years once I
started for it to finally get published.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Oh my god. But the impetus came from that.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
So I say this every time you're on the show,
primarily for the benefit of folks who who don't know
your work.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
And again, if you've never read.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Cjbox's books, you got to read them. And what I
would do actually if I so, you don't have to
read CJ's books in order. Right, With some authors there's
huge benefits to reading them in order, and with all authors,
if there's a series, there'll be an occasional reference to
something that happened in the past.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
But it's not necessary to read them in order.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
But I would still if I were you, I would
just go to the Google machine and type in Cjbox
books in order and start with the first one.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Is Open Season, the first one. I get the titles
mixed up.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yes it is, Yes it is, and it came out
in two thousand and one, but yeah, still in print.
They I think they're reissuing a new one on the
basis that it's, you know, twenty five books into the series.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
There's a new cover and a new edition coming out
this year.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, so I would recommend folks go read Open Season
and then read any of the other ones in any
in any order that you want to. All right, let's
talk a little bit about the new book.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Battle Mountain. So, first, is Battle Mountain a real place?
It is?

Speaker 3 (05:34):
It is, I do mention it in the book, but
it's located kind of between Saratoga, Wyoming and Bags Wyoming.
And south central Wyoming, which would be kind of north
of Steamboat Springs. It was named as such because there
was a fight there in the eighteen thirties between mountain
men and American Indians, and the mountain men were besieged.

(05:56):
A few of them died, they few escaped with their lives,
but they call Battle Mountain and the name still sticks.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
So and again for folks may be new to see
j Joe Pickett, the hero in this book, is basically
an ordinary dude who's a Wyoming game warden and just
ends up in the middle of all.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
These crazy crimes that he has to stop or solve
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
But he's you know, there are a lot of characters
in other writers thrillers who are a little bit difficult
to distinguish from each other, Like they're all former Navy
seals or former Green Berets, and they all can kick
ass and get through a crowded city without being seen.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
And Joe Pickett is just a normal guy.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Why did you make a hero who's such a normal guy.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Well, a couple of reasons, you know.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
For one thing, with the first book, I wasn't planning
a long time series of certainly.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Not twenty five books.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
I was just writing a book, but I wanted the
protagonist to be somebody that people could understand and empathize
with and root for, because he wasn't one of those
kick ass guys who you know.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Beat up every guy and every girl wanted to be
with him.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
He's he's a family man, he's got three daughters, he's
a state employee.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
That's what game wardens are.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
But I think it actually, in a lot of ways,
increases the tension in the books. Knowing that Joe could
screw up and does screw up and sometimes makes really
bad decisions, and but I, you know, you root for him,
I think, I hope. But like I said, I think
it makes them more realistic and therefore makes the books
easier to get into.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
I don't want to do much in the way of
spoilers because I want everyone to buy Battle Mountain and
read it. But the concept is some let's say, disaffected
former members of the US military looking to strike at
people in leadership or in elite parts of society who

(07:58):
they think have have done them wrong.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Is that a fair summary. That's a fair summary.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, okay, And so the way you place this, it's
a fancy club in the mountains. And I you know,
I've never said on the on the radio where where
you live other than the state. But you just said
the town a little bit ago, so I had not
shouting anything. I won't even say it again though, in
case people weren't paying attention. But but near you, there's

(08:27):
a there's a fairly fancy club that we've talked about
in the past, right like country club type of place.
And then there's another place that you and I talked
about when I was up near your neighborhood. It's an
enormous ranch that you told me was owned by some
incredibly wealthy family and I and and they have a
distillery or something.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Do you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 3 (08:47):
I do. The one that I based this on in
the book is not the one we talked about. It's
actually a very old line, old fashioned dude ranch, one
of the first in the whole state.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
It exists just barely over the Colorado border.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
And in real life, every year there's a big meeting
there of basically the military industrial complex and are aeronautics
executives and they all fly these planes into this little
airport and the little jets parked under the wings of
big jets and all of the members of this club
go out to this dude ranch and play cowboy for

(09:23):
a few days. And the joke has always been around here.
You know that a couple of well placed bombs could
wipe out the US military industrial complex and one fell swoop,
And that's always stuck in my mind, and I always
wanted to use that scenario in a book, although I
do very much fictionalize the group and the location, but
that's what it's based on.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
I had a feeling it was based on something real,
because most of your your stuff normal normally has more
than a grain.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Of truth behind behind the plot.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
So the other thing that I want to ask you
about as a as a longtime reader of most of you,
I won't say I've read every Joe Picket book, but
I read a lot of them, is the increased presence
of Nate Romanowski and in this book. And I think,
I think a lot of your fans love Nate Romanowski

(10:14):
and I and I wonder whether it's an actual strategy
in your mind to not over expose Nate as a
character and leave people wanting more and then kind of
make him more central once.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
In a while. That's exactly right that.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
I think there have been three books in the series
that where Nate was almost the central character and Joe
Pickett played up supporting role.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
This is one of them.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
It needed to be because based on the things that
happened at the end of the last book Three Inch Teeth,
readers knew Nate would have to get revenge and go
on the work path. And this is that book. And
and Nate Noldowski's, you know, larger than life. He's a
outlaw falconer who had a special Force background. He carries

(11:02):
a four fifty four cassole, of which you're very familiar with.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Ross. I know because you.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
You orchestrated me getting one of these handguns, which is
great and uh.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
But anyway, this this is more of a Nate.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Book than a Joe book, but I'll Joe Pickett is
certainly in it and has his own storyline.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Folks, I hope you will go buy tickets if you're
gonna be around and come see me and CJ.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Box.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
The place is called the DCSD Legacy Campus.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
It's kind of in between.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
It's kind of the east end of Lone Tree in
the west end of Parker and it's a very it's
a very cool place. If you if you came to
the Jack Carr event that I hosted recently, it was
it was there, and so you know where to go.
And I think this may actually be even a bigger
crowd than than Jack Carr because.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Colorado just loves you. CJ. Well, I it, I mean,
it's really turned into a big deal. Over the years.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Each year the Denver event, no matter where it is,
seems to get bigger than the year before, which.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Is just tremendous. It's fantastic. It's not far away.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
It's now getting to the point where I recognize an
awful lot of the people who've come from year to
year to year, but there's always new ones, which is terrific, folks.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Cjbox's new book is called Battle Mountain, And if you
go to if you just look up Douglas County Library
Special Events and then you can click on that and
you will immediately see CJ's face and you can click
on buy tickets and come see us on the evening
of Saturday, March first. Again, it's a Saturday night, so
it's super convenient, and the price for that first ticket

(12:44):
includes a signed book, so it's pretty fabulous and we're
gonna have a great time. I can't wait to see
you in person. And I wonder if you're gonna wear
those boots that I saw last time that I'm still
jealous of that I don't have yet. Yes, you're gonna
be wearing those boots. Okay, so everybody aim and boots
I'll be wearing. When you see CJ. Check check out

(13:07):
his boots and you will understand what you can get
me for my next Haneka President.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
I don't mean you, CJ. I mean listeners.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
You want to pitch in for a little go fund
me boots for Ross? Uh, you can get in touch
with me and ask my size, and I aspire to
CJ's boots. I can't wait to see you here, my friend,
and congratulations on twenty five Joe Pickett books in a row.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Pretty amazing achievement. Thanks so much.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
I look forward to seeing you Ross and everybody else
that will come out on Saturday night.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
You got it, see u.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
CJ.

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