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(00:00):
Okay, let's do something different.Very pleased to welcome to the show,
Jay Bucky. Jay's a medical doctor, he's a professor at Dartmouth Medical School,
and he was an astronaut. AndJay is going to be talking at
a conference that I'll tell you moreabout in a little bit, but it's
a conference later this week for veteransand military health and veterans and their families
(00:20):
who care about these various health issues. And Jay joins us to talk about
some stuff he learned while in spacethat could apply to normal, normal humans
like us. So, Jay,welcome to Kowa. It's good to have
you. Thanks, thanks for havingme on. Very glad to Before we
talk to medical stuff, just giveus briefly what you did as an astronaut.
(00:41):
So, I was a crew memberon the STS ninety Neurolab mission,
which is a mission that was totallydevoted to studying the brain and nervous system
and how it adapted to weightlessness andthen readapted back to being on Earth.
And as a matter of fact,right now where it's the twenty sixth anniversary
of our mission. Wow, howlong were you in space? Sixteen days?
(01:04):
Was it great? Was it weird? Was it scary? Was it
the best thing you've ever done?What was it? It was great.
It was amazing to look out thewindow and think about where you were.
But it was also a little bitstressful because you know, we had a
lot of stuff to get done andwe wanted to make sure that we were
doing a good job for putting theground. And it was a big time.
(01:27):
It was busy, but it wasgreat, a really an amazing experience
looking back on it. So Ibelieve that a fair bit of what you
were studying in terms of well,neuropsychology and that sort of thing, stress
in space, conflict management in space, mood in space, things that can
(01:48):
apply to normal people down here.So I'm just going to kind of open
this up to you a little bit. You know, what did you learn
in space that you want to talkabout how it can apply to the rest
of us. Yeah, So thething is, I was on a short
mission. It was sixteen days,and you know, most people can put
up with a lot of stuff forsixteen days. And we had a crew.
We got together, we you know, we really got along well with
(02:12):
each other. The mission, lookingback, was over as soon as it
started, really went very fast.So those short duration missions aren't as challenging
as the kind of missions that we'rethinking about now of going to places like
Mars or spending a long period oftime and space. Those are very challenging
psychologically. It's the isolation and confinementand being with a small group of people
(02:36):
for a long period of time.Sounds like COVID times I can go great,
but sometimes it goes badly. Andone of my interest is in,
you know, developing tools that canmake sure that things go well. I
wonder if those kinds of psychological stressesthat you're describing were prevalent and a parent
(02:59):
here on Terra Firma during COVID,Oh, very much, so, very
much so, because it was verymuch like that. Because people are isolated,
they weren't interacting with others, theycouldn't go out, and so there
was a high rate of people gettingdepressed. They found the whole experience stressful.
(03:19):
And so there was COVID with atime which it did have a lot
of resonance with those sort of thesort of issues that come up in really
long duration space life. And again, I don't want to say that every
space life like that. It's justthat there's the risk for that because it's
challenging. It's challenging to live inan environment like that for a long period
of time with other just a smallgroup of people. We're talking with doctor
(03:44):
j Bucky, a former astronaut andprofessor at Dartmouth Medical School, and he's
going to be speaking at a conferencethis let's see the twenty fifth and the
twenty sixth, so that's Thursday andFriday this week, and it's put on
by the Partnerships for Veteran and MilitaryHealth. The conference is called Partnerships for
Veterans Veteran Military Health Conference, NewHorizons in Collaborating for Care. And if
(04:09):
you go to my website at Rossciminskydot com, there's a link for how
you can sign up. So thiswould be for veterans and families of veterans
and actually active duty as well andtheir caretakers and all of this stuff if
you want to learn about many differentaspects of healthcare, including what we're talking
about with Jay right now, butmany different aspects that often apply frequently to
(04:30):
veterans. By the way, whenyou go to the website, you will
see that there's a deadline to bookyou can ignore that. You can still
go to the conference if you want. So, Jay, let's bring this
kind of down to earth here andtalk about veterans in particular and some of
the issues that you where you reallywant to focus on veteran mental health and
(04:51):
managing stress and conflict resolution and soon. Yeah. So one of our
focus has always has been to developtools that people can use on their own,
anonymously to help with you know,behavioral health type issues. You know,
because a lot of times people don'twant to talk about it with others.
(05:13):
Maybe maybe they're having a problem andthey like to work it on their
own, they don't want to discussit with somebody else. And so developing
self directed, inter interactive media basedtools that people can use on their own,
we believe that that's a way togive people a chance to work on
their problems that they wouldn't have ifthey had to go talk to other people.
(05:33):
And that comes from, you know, the isolation confinement issue. If
you're just with a few other peopleon a space mission, maybe you don't
want to talk about what you maybe experienced with them. So we wanted
to give people these tools they coulduse on their own. And I think
sometimes for veterans they may not wantto, you know, discuss if they're
feeling depressed or if they're having thoughtsthat you know, are troubling them.
(05:58):
And so it's helpful for people tohave a you know, something they can
go to and work on their own. Can can you just give me an
example of what one of those appsmight look like. Yeah, So I'll
talk about two things. So,you know, one has to do with
conflict management, you know, gettingalong with other people, and you know,
(06:23):
we all have to negotiate things inlife. And you know, sometimes
if you do negotiating over the priceof the used car, you don't really
care if at the end of thatnegotiation you have a good relationship necessarily,
right you could, you know,maybe you're going to be nasty during that
negotiation or just go back and forthover the price. But on a if
you're going to be working with agroup of people for a while, you
(06:44):
want to be able to negotiate thingsand maintain that relationship. So one of
the things we have is training andhow to do what's called interest space negotiation,
or before you just jump in throwingout positions about what you want,
you spend a little bit of timefinding out what are people interested in what
do they want to get out ofthis negotiation and then step back and think
about some options. So as I'mtraining and what's called interest space negotiations.
(07:11):
The other thing we have is somethingthat's important for mood problems, usually depression.
You know, some people get morethan just a low mood or being
said, they actually get depressed,whether it's interfering with their function, they
feel hopeless all the time, theyisolate themselves from other people, they don't
do things. And there's an approachto that called problem solving treatment, which
(07:39):
is really well suited to being deliveredby a computer. And so we have
a program where there's a mentor inthe computer who's Mark Hagel, and he's
an internationally known expert in problem solvingtreatment, and he teaches people how to
do this on their own so thatthey can go to the computer, learn
how to do it, and thenwork on it for a week and then
(08:01):
come back to the computer and dosome troubleshooting on how it's going. And
you know, when we've done thisin studies, it works well for people
with mild to moderate depression. Itreally helps for them to improve their mood.
Fascinating folks. This conference is comingup Thursday and Friday. It is
the premier networking event in the westernregion of the country for veterans and active
(08:26):
duty members of the military and theircaregivers and their families to share knowledge and
experiences with doctors and other healthcare providersand educators and researchers and community service folks.
And it is open to the publicand you can still register if you
go to Roscominski dot com. Justlook in the Today's guests section and you
(08:48):
will see jabuckymd listed there, andall of this stuff I'm talking about,
including the links to sign up forthe conference, are right there for you,
doctor Bucky. Thanks for your time, Thanks for everything you're doing.
Thanks for your service to our country. Oh well, great talk with you.
Thank you all right, glad todo it, glad to do it.
All right, We're gonna take aquick break. We still have so
much to do. We're gonna beright back here on the King of Agriculture.
Okay, let's do something different.Very pleased to welcome to the show,
Jay Bucky. Jay's a medical doctor, he's a professor at Dartmouth Medical School,
and he was an astronaut. AndJay is going to be talking at
a conference that I'll tell you moreabout in a little bit, but it's
a conference later this week for veteransand military health and veterans and their families
(00:20):
who care about these various health issues. And Jay joins us to talk about
some stuff he learned while in spacethat could apply to normal, normal humans
like us. So, Jay,welcome to Kowa. It's good to have
you. Thanks, thanks for havingme on. Very glad to Before we
talk to medical stuff, just giveus briefly what you did as an astronaut.
(00:41):
So, I was a crew memberon the STS ninety Neurolab mission,
which is a mission that was totallydevoted to studying the brain and nervous system
and how it adapted to weightlessness andthen readapted back to being on Earth.
And as a matter of fact,right now where it's the twenty sixth anniversary
of our mission. Wow, howlong were you in space? Sixteen days?
(01:04):
Was it great? Was it weird? Was it scary? Was it
the best thing you've ever done?What was it? It was great.
It was amazing to look out thewindow and think about where you were.
But it was also a little bitstressful because you know, we had a
lot of stuff to get done andwe wanted to make sure that we were
doing a good job for putting theground. And it was a big time.
(01:27):
It was busy, but it wasgreat, a really an amazing experience
looking back on it. So Ibelieve that a fair bit of what you
were studying in terms of well,neuropsychology and that sort of thing, stress
in space, conflict management in space, mood in space, things that can
(01:48):
apply to normal people down here.So I'm just going to kind of open
this up to you a little bit. You know, what did you learn
in space that you want to talkabout how it can apply to the rest
of us. Yeah, So thething is, I was on a short
mission. It was sixteen days,and you know, most people can put
up with a lot of stuff forsixteen days. And we had a crew.
We got together, we you know, we really got along well with
(02:12):
each other. The mission, lookingback, was over as soon as it
started, really went very fast.So those short duration missions aren't as challenging
as the kind of missions that we'rethinking about now of going to places like
Mars or spending a long period oftime and space. Those are very challenging
psychologically. It's the isolation and confinementand being with a small group of people
(02:36):
for a long period of time.Sounds like COVID times I can go great,
but sometimes it goes badly. Andone of my interest is in,
you know, developing tools that canmake sure that things go well. I
wonder if those kinds of psychological stressesthat you're describing were prevalent and a parent
(02:59):
here on Terra Firma during COVID,Oh, very much, so, very
much so, because it was verymuch like that. Because people are isolated,
they weren't interacting with others, theycouldn't go out, and so there
was a high rate of people gettingdepressed. They found the whole experience stressful.
(03:19):
And so there was COVID with atime which it did have a lot
of resonance with those sort of thesort of issues that come up in really
long duration space life. And again, I don't want to say that every
space life like that. It's justthat there's the risk for that because it's
challenging. It's challenging to live inan environment like that for a long period
of time with other just a smallgroup of people. We're talking with doctor
(03:44):
j Bucky, a former astronaut andprofessor at Dartmouth Medical School, and he's
going to be speaking at a conferencethis let's see the twenty fifth and the
twenty sixth, so that's Thursday andFriday this week, and it's put on
by the Partnerships for Veteran and MilitaryHealth. The conference is called Partnerships for
Veterans Veteran Military Health Conference, NewHorizons in Collaborating for Care. And if
(04:09):
you go to my website at Rossciminskydot com, there's a link for how
you can sign up. So thiswould be for veterans and families of veterans
and actually active duty as well andtheir caretakers and all of this stuff if
you want to learn about many differentaspects of healthcare, including what we're talking
about with Jay right now, butmany different aspects that often apply frequently to
(04:30):
veterans. By the way, whenyou go to the website, you will
see that there's a deadline to bookyou can ignore that. You can still
go to the conference if you want. So, Jay, let's bring this
kind of down to earth here andtalk about veterans in particular and some of
the issues that you where you reallywant to focus on veteran mental health and
(04:51):
managing stress and conflict resolution and soon. Yeah. So one of our
focus has always has been to developtools that people can use on their own,
anonymously to help with you know,behavioral health type issues. You know,
because a lot of times people don'twant to talk about it with others.
(05:13):
Maybe maybe they're having a problem andthey like to work it on their
own, they don't want to discussit with somebody else. And so developing
self directed, inter interactive media basedtools that people can use on their own,
we believe that that's a way togive people a chance to work on
their problems that they wouldn't have ifthey had to go talk to other people.
(05:33):
And that comes from, you know, the isolation confinement issue. If
you're just with a few other peopleon a space mission, maybe you don't
want to talk about what you maybe experienced with them. So we wanted
to give people these tools they coulduse on their own. And I think
sometimes for veterans they may not wantto, you know, discuss if they're
feeling depressed or if they're having thoughtsthat you know, are troubling them.
(05:58):
And so it's helpful for people tohave a you know, something they can
go to and work on their own. Can can you just give me an
example of what one of those appsmight look like. Yeah, So I'll
talk about two things. So,you know, one has to do with
conflict management, you know, gettingalong with other people, and you know,
(06:23):
we all have to negotiate things inlife. And you know, sometimes
if you do negotiating over the priceof the used car, you don't really
care if at the end of thatnegotiation you have a good relationship necessarily,
right you could, you know,maybe you're going to be nasty during that
negotiation or just go back and forthover the price. But on a if
you're going to be working with agroup of people for a while, you
(06:44):
want to be able to negotiate thingsand maintain that relationship. So one of
the things we have is training andhow to do what's called interest space negotiation,
or before you just jump in throwingout positions about what you want,
you spend a little bit of timefinding out what are people interested in what
do they want to get out ofthis negotiation and then step back and think
about some options. So as I'mtraining and what's called interest space negotiations.
(07:11):
The other thing we have is somethingthat's important for mood problems, usually depression.
You know, some people get morethan just a low mood or being
said, they actually get depressed,whether it's interfering with their function, they
feel hopeless all the time, theyisolate themselves from other people, they don't
do things. And there's an approachto that called problem solving treatment, which
(07:39):
is really well suited to being deliveredby a computer. And so we have
a program where there's a mentor inthe computer who's Mark Hagel, and he's
an internationally known expert in problem solvingtreatment, and he teaches people how to
do this on their own so thatthey can go to the computer, learn
how to do it, and thenwork on it for a week and then
(08:01):
come back to the computer and dosome troubleshooting on how it's going. And
you know, when we've done thisin studies, it works well for people
with mild to moderate depression. Itreally helps for them to improve their mood.
Fascinating folks. This conference is comingup Thursday and Friday. It is
the premier networking event in the westernregion of the country for veterans and active
(08:26):
duty members of the military and theircaregivers and their families to share knowledge and
experiences with doctors and other healthcare providersand educators and researchers and community service folks.
And it is open to the publicand you can still register if you
go to Roscominski dot com. Justlook in the Today's guests section and you
(08:48):
will see jabuckymd listed there, andall of this stuff I'm talking about,
including the links to sign up forthe conference, are right there for you,
doctor Bucky. Thanks for your time, Thanks for everything you're doing.
Thanks for your service to our country. Oh well, great talk with you.
Thank you all right, glad todo it, glad to do it.
All right, We're gonna take aquick break. We still have so
much to do. We're gonna beright back here on the King of Agriculture.
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