5-21-24 - *FULL SHOW* Gary Sinise; A Little Late, Jared; Lemons Float, Limes Don't

Episode Transcript

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The rate of women having babies hasdeclined dramatically, and in most countries now
populations are or soon will be actuallydeclining. The United States has a version,
but not as bad a version ofthat problem, because the women who
live here of age where they mighthave kids are not having enough to replace

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the population. But we have immigrationwhere a lot of other countries don't,
so it's not as bad an issuehere. But one of the worst in
the world is South Korea, oneof the worst in terms of rates there.
The replacement rate of how many babiesthe women in a country needs to
have to maintain the populations around justover two two point one. South Korea

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right now is zero point seven.So they are thinking about offering seventy three
and a half thousand dollars per babyborn, which causes me to ask my
friend in Kawa, colleague Gina Gondek, who I believe has very little interest

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in reproducing, how much she wouldwant to have a baby. So first,
let's just start with the question,is it in your current plans to
be a mom? No? Haveyou always felt that way your whole life?
You never had a particular desire tohave kids, always felt that way
I've never been somebody who has seenthemselves as a mother figure. Even when

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I was like growing up as akid, I never felt like I was
playing with babies and I was themom. It was always like stuffed animals.
It was like Rbie dolls. Itwas never the idea of looking forward
to being a mother. How manykids? How many siblings do you have
two other siblings? Not that that'srelevant, I'm just curious. Okay,
So you never want to be amom and your fiance is on board with

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that plan to honor, then youjust want to be free and go skiing
and live your life the way youwant to live it, without all the
whatever. Yeah, it was oneof the first conversations. Honestly, it
was a very very early conversation thatwe had because I had to be upfront
with it and I wanted to betransparent with it. And I was saying,
listen, I've never been someone who'sreally considered having children, and he's

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been on board. I would sayhe's about eighty percent on board. I've
been one hundred, one hundred andten percent my whole life, right,
you know, the father figure,it always makes sense he's considered it in
some ways, but he's definitely beenmuch more eighty percent. And we've even
had the talks very early in ourrelationship saying, hey, if this ever
changes, I don't want to holdyou back from what you want in the

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long run because I don't see myselfchanging. So we had pretty much this
unanimous conversation of if, for anyreason, you wake up tomorrow morning and
say you know what I think Ido, we would talk about it a
little bit more and likely consider breakingup if we had to, just to
make sure that he's able to pursuewhat he wants. And it would be

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if so at this point, ifhe got hit on the heads, if
he got hit on the head andthen woke up the next day one hundred
and ten percent wanting to be adad but nothing else about him changed,
you would say, sorry, yougot to go find someone else. So
we talked about it yesterday because Iwanted to make sure that we were both
still on the same page, andwe both agreed that it would be okay.

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You know, let's see if thisis something that you still consider tomorrow
and a week from now and amonth from now, and if it is,
we would say, you know,it's Unfortunately, it's been fun.
But I don't see myself ever changing. And that's something that we both pretty
much agreed on. Interesting. Yeah, and the odds of you changing are
close to zero, probably as faras I know. Yes, now,

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it could change tomorrow, you know, like you said. But every time
that I've been a person that havesaid I haven't wanted kids, every single
person has said, oh, butyou wait, you waity. I've been
waiting, and I've been waiting,and I now have a beautiful niece,
and I have tons of friends withkids, and I support them and I
love them, and I care forthem, and I'm so happy for them.
I've never seen myself in their shoes. Yeah. Interesting, and I

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admire your commitment to that. Imean, I think some people might think
it sounds a little dramatic, like, well, if Gina's future husband says,
no, I really want kids,Gina will say, you're committed enough
to your position that you would say, then you better go find somebody else
rather than changing to something that youIt's not a belief, it's a something

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that you just think would be abad fit for your life for a variety
of reasons. Yeah, it's hardto say that I don't want it to
make it sound like I'm just likesly fiance like, No. We both
have talked about this. It's adifficult conversation to have, and we both
have stood pretty firm on know wereally are passionate about our careers. We're
passionate about our experiences. We're dedicatedto what we do. We wouldn't want
to change our lifestyle. We've beenable to move very often, go to

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different places, be able to travelfor our careers, enjoy the careers that
we have. Am I saying thatthat's not possible with the kid. Absolutely
not. People do it all thetime. It's just a lot more convenient
for us. And we have beenable to stay in the positions that we've
been in because we are just andalso kids are freaking expensive, And that's
the big really, really, that'sa big one, I think to raise

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a kid in the US now,I think at last look was two hundred
and thirty three thousand dollars to theage of eighteen, which, honestly at
eighteen is not really a good batfor them to go to college exactly.
So financially speaking, that's a challengetoo, because then you have to consider,
Okay, are you the at homemother, But can you really live
on one income and still be astay at home mother? Or are you

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paying for a sitter that's expensive too, So it adds up. Okay,
So it sounds to me like likesome of your objection to having kids as
financial, but not most and definitelynot all, but still in Korea and
lots of other places. This isn'tonly Korea. Korea is just an interesting
story because of how big the numberis talking about offering seventy three and a

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half thousand dollars to a couple tohave a baby. So is there a
number at which you would have ababy and you have to keep it as
part of the deal. You can'tsell it, you can't give it up,
you can't give it to me.You have to keep it. That's
part of the hypothetical. I don'tthink there's a price. Honestly, I

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know it sounds very selfish. Iknow people are probably like, how could
you you know this is of joyof raising a family. I think it's
just the fact that both of usare in careers that are very odd schedules,
very odd times. We enjoy whatwe do, and I have a
feeling I would be the one thatwould have to give it up in order
to continue raising a family, andI don't want to do that. Wow,

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you know, I just enjoy theexperiences that we've been able to have,
sure, and I've never really seenmyself as a mother figure in any
way. And I enjoy being anaunt to my niece. I enjoy all
those experiences and those opportunities. ButI'm I mean, even as when my
brother had his kid and I heldher for the first time, there was
never a moment where I was like, I this is what I want.

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I was like, Wow, I'mso proud of you. I'm so happy
for you. This is something you'vealways wanted. I'm more than willing to
support everybody else in their experiences ofthat. I've just never seen myself like
that. So even though I feellike I probably for the entirety of my
life where i'd be thinking about thiskind of question, I have wanted to

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be a dad, But the wayI did it was a little bit in
your direction, in the sense thatmy first kid wasn't born until I was
forty, and I spent all theseyears, you know, in my twenties
and my thirties, dating and thenmarried, traveling and getting experiences and doing
stuff, because it is a lotharder to especially with the kind of really

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adventurous You and I are both prettyadventurous. We kind of adventure in somewhat
different ways, but we're both weboth like to do things that be a
little difficult to with kids. SoI fully get it. And yeah,
I'm not going to say, like, well, what if it was a
billion dollars because it's a stupid question, because then you can just hire all
the help and it's not a realquestion anymore. But if somebody offered you

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one hundred grand, you're still sayingno, I don't think so. Yeah,
And like you said, I don'tknow if I'll be saying this a
decade from now, two decades fornow, I could have, you know,
three children. Decades from now,I don't know. But right now,
I've for as long as I've lived, I've never really considered it,
seen it, wanted it, AndI couldn't see myself even wanting to pay

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in order to see myself that way. Huh. Interesting, All right,
I've got a few listener text I'lljust share them quickly, and most of
them are one way. The firstone says she'll change her mind when she's
forty five and it's too late.So my guess is she won't, and
even if she did, that's probablynot too late these days. But I
don't think Gina will change her mindnext. I have the same exact opinion

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as Gina. I've had that mywhole life. I'm sixty eight now.
I've been accused of being selfish,but I just thought i'd throw that out
there. Another listener text, Mystory is exactly the same as genus.
I'm now sixty nine years old andhave no regrets. Another listener text ross
I would not have a kid forany amount of money. And yeah,

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so most of the listener texts aresupporting you. I mean yes. This
isn't, by the way, aboutsupporting or not supporting Chris. Is just
about an interesting discussion about somebody's lifechoices. And don't get me wrong,
it is tough because it's selfish.Don't get me wrong, it is selfish.
I feel bad of I know.I have friends who are struggling to
get pregnant right now, and they'vewanted a kid their whole lives. And

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I'm somebody who's just like hmmm,no, no, thank you. Yeah.
But I've always just considered myself beingable to, you know, grow
up and have my own experiences withno strings attached and be able to move
and not consider, oh, well, now I have to consider the school.
I'm picking them up and moving themto a place they've never been.
They're going to lose their friends.Like I've always just been wanting to be

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able to do that without considering theother side. So I will just push
back on one thing you said,but in a way, it's supporting you.
I don't approve of the way youdescribe yourself as selfish in this so
I think you're taking care of yourself. But I think a lot of people
use the word selfish to describe behaviorin which somebody benefits themselves while harming or

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not helping somebody else that they couldhelp. And you're not harming anybody else,
and so I don't think it's selfishin that way. I think you
just know what's best for you,and I admire that you know it that
well and faithfully, I'm not inthis situation. But if you want to
go off the idea of what peoplecould consider as selfish, I have a
friend who has a sister who hasbeen trying and has had multiple IVF treatments

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and has not been able to getpregnant. She does not want to have
kids, and she's like, Iwonder what I would do because her sister
has never come to her, butshe's like, I don't know what I
would do if she asked, couldyou carry my kid? And we both
of us have always been people thathave been like, we've never considered having
children, period, So I don'tknow. Gina Gundeck co hosts Colorado's Morning

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News five to nine am each andevery weekday here on KOA. To tune
in to hear more from Gina,although it'll be more news and less of
this. Yeah, hopefully my mom'snot listening morning here, So lend you
a couple quick things with you hereand then we'll talk with Cam and then
we'll get to Gary Sinise in justa few minutes. So you know,

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there have been these protests over atthe Area Campus in central Denver, these
pro Palestinian pro Hamas, anti Israeli, anti Semitic protests, and kativr Our
news partners over at Fox thirty onesays the encampment is clear out and the
area is now fenced off, butcampus leaders say they will likely have to

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replace all the grass on the Tivolisquad quad. A spokesperson for a area
said there are several burn spots wherea lot of the structures sat for three
and a half weeks, and we'llhave to do an assessment as far as
cleanliness because there were some biohezard concerns. She said, clean up crews found
evidence of drug paraphernalia and human waste. Well, I mean, what do

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you expect from people who go outthere to support terrorism and to support the
killing of Jews? What do youexpect to find around people like that other
than drug paraphernalia and human waste?I mean, they are human waste as
far as I can tell. SoI'm glad they're gone. I don't know

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where they went, scorted back intoa little hole somewhere. Maybe they'll go
join their homeless friends being homeless andunemployed one day, I sure hope so.
But in any case, you knowthey're talking about having to replace the
grass there at the Tivoli Quad.Wouldn't surprise me if they have to replace
the dirt, because I mean,human waste and evil do not wash out
real easy. So next thing Iwanted. Sorry if that sounded a little

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upset, but I don't like thosepeople at all. One other thing,
I'm gonna do this very quickly.This is from a website called Tsscolorado dot
com. So when John Hickenlooper wasGovernor of Colorado, he would routinely request
from the EPA a waiver for Coloradoregarding compliance with certain ozone standards, because

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without the waiver of Colorado and theDenver metro area in particular up at the
I twenty five card, it wouldbe required to do a bunch of things
that are pretty expensive, using moreexpensive gasoline and all this. And part
of the problem is that a lotof our ozone we do have an ozone
issue, but a lot of theissue is caused by ozone blowing in from
California, and so it's very difficultfor us to really fix the ozone problem

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here because so much of it isn'tcaused here. When Jared pol came in,
he stopped asking for that waiver,and then the EPA then went on
to mandate this reformulated gasoline for summeruse, which is much more expensive now,
Jared Polus has commissioned to study thatsays if we have to use reformulated
gasoline, Coloraden's will be spending threemillion dollars more every single day on gasoline

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than otherwise, and the impact onozone levels will be deminimous. And my
only question is, Jared, whydidn't you go do a study like this
and figure this out before you decidedto stop asking the government for a waiver.

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And I'm just I'm very very frustrated. Governor Polus made a decision without
information and now it's going to costresidents of this state three million dollars a
day. I will ask him aboutit when he joins me in studio,
which will hopefully be soon. GarySneeze coming next on the show, Roskominski.
We're radio people. KOA, allright, it's time to talk with

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Cam Camber of Centennial Capital Partners.And Cam, I often talk about one
of my favorite books, Thinking Fastand Slow, and one of the concepts
in there is recncy bias, andI know you wanted to talk a little
bit about how that concept applies toinvesting. Yeah, sure do, Ross,
and good morning to you. HappyTuesday, and really, you know,
a few weekends ago, my inlaws were in town and we spent

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a lot of time talking about basketballbecause they're big Oklahoma City thunder fans.
I'm a Nuggets fan, which atthe time both teams are still in the
playoffs. Bummer, I know.But we were talking about how the media
and fans overreact to one game.If a team loses, oh gosh,
they need to trade this player orfire this coach, or if they win,
you start hearing you know, Idon't think they're going to lose another

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game. This might be the bestteam we've seen in twenty years. Well,
both cases are an overreaction or what'scalled recency bias. As matter of
fact, I use that phrase somuch when talking with my wife's family.
My mother in law asked me whereI got it from, and my answer
was, I learned it in investing. Recency bias is the tendency to favor
recent events over historic ones. Sobasically, it's just overreacting to the most

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recent thing that happened. And whenyou'd start doing that with your invested money,
with your life savings, it becomesvery dangerous. And that's where my
father and I come into play.We're here to protect you from yourself,
because when you only focus and reactto the short term, man, your
long term takes such a hit,and that's a killer in investing, folks,
This aspect of psychology is underappreciated whenit comes to being a successful investor,

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and most people simply can't do itactually, which is part of the
reason that I recommend that you considerhaving a financial planner in your life.
Part of the reason I recommend thatyou sit down with Cam and with his
dad Kurt, and just get asense from that meeting, which costs you
absolutely nothing, and decide for yourselfif it makes sense to work together.
If you've got no financial planner,you should do this. Or even if

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you have one, but you thinkyou're not getting any attention or the results,
you should be getting kcambeer dot comto get started kcambi er dot com
or by phone Cam that's three ohthree two seven one one zero six seven,
give us a call, guys,love to help. That's great stuff,
Thanks so much, Cam, We'lltalk with you tomorrow. Thanks ross
discussions in the show, sh notI can construe a specific recommendations or investment

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advice. Consult with a professional beforeinvesting securities offers through Cambridge Investment Research Inc.
Member fin SIPC advisory services through CambridgeInvestment Research Advisors Inc. Centennial Capital
and Cambergs are not affiliated. Roussominskiis not a client of Centennial Capital.
We are expecting Gary Sinize to jointhe show. I think he's just doing
another interview right now, but hewill be with us hopefully momentarily. I
do I do want to give notexactly a shout out, but a moment

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of recognition to holy cow, whatjust happened in in you m Colorado yesterday?
Have you seen any of these pictures? This stuff is up on my
blog and over at KDVR dot com. But they had this massive hailstorm in
Yuma towards north northeastern Colorado that justtook out home windows and almost you know,
just huge numbers of car front andrear windshields and just a massive kind

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of well disaster of haile. Soif you're listening out in that direction,
I hope everything's okay. I hopenobody. I hope you didn't get hurt.
I hope your car wasn't too badly. This is gonna be one of
those things, by the way thatthat's just gonna be an excuse for car
insurance places to just jack up thecar insurance everybody's car insurance. Like remember

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with a huge hailstorm that damaged Coloradomeals Mall and then you remember that like
a massive, massive hailstorm. It'sprobably ten years ago now, I don't
remember what year exactly, and autoinsurance rates just absolutely exploded and there was
never another. There hasn't been anothermajor hailstorm in Denver in Denver since then,
but of course the rates have beengone back down. That's that's the

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world we live in. Let metake a moment to talk about what's going
on in the New York City trialof Donald Trump. Hey, Shannon,
when you get them, ask himasking more time he needs to be done.
Okay, ask him more time.The people have got urisine ask him
when he needs to be done withme once we get him on forty six

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forty six, okay, Well,hopefully he'll be on with us in moments.
So both sides have now rested theircases in the New York hush money
trial. So that means so tomorrowTomorrow's Wednesday. They don't do this trial
on Wednesday because the judge has otherthings he has to do. He does
those on Wednesdays, so there hasn'tbeen trial on Wednesdays throughout this thing.
Anyway, For some reason, thejudge decided not to do anything on Thursday.

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I believe the court in New Yorkis taking Friday as part of the
Memorial Day weekend holiday. Monday isthe official holiday. So basically after today
the trial is going to be onhold until well for a week, until
next Tuesday, and then the defensewill give their closing arguments their summation,

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and the prosecution will give their closingargument their summation, and then it'll go
to the jury. So there's alot of delay in here, and hopefully
we'll get an answer sooner rather thanlater. All right, let us do
this. I'm so excited for thisconversation. I've had Gary Sonise on the
show once before for the same reasonas Honorary Grand Marshal of the National Memorial

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Day Concert, and I wanted tojust start with a text that I got
from a listener who's also a friendof mine who served in the Marines.
He says, from all of usveterans, please tell Gary thank you,
so Gary, thank you, andplease please tell them thank you back.
I really appreciate that. I appreciateit our service members very much. How

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many years have you been hosting orco hosting with your friend Joe Maintana this
this concert? Now, I firstdid the show in two thousand and five,
and I brought my band there andI narrated some of the segments and
we played a few songs. Andthen the following year two thousand and six,

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Uh, they asked me to comeback and co host, and I've
been doing that ever since. AndI should mention to folks because I shouldn't
just assume people know this. Sothe National Memorial Day Concert is on PBS
this Sunday at six pm Mountain time, all right, And it's always an

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incredible show, great musicians, andjust such support of our of our veterans.
Both my parents are veterans, bythe way, and it's Memorial Day
actually, which is different from veterans. I should I should be clear about
that. In fact, why don'tI give this to you, Gary?
I mean, do you why don'tyou talk about difference a little bit between
Veteran's Day and Memorial Day? BecauseI'm usually more careful than I was just
then about explaining the difference the MemorialDay Concert and Memorial Day Holiday is honoring

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all our fallen service members who havegiven their lives over the years in service
to our country. Is a daywhen the nation kind of can come together
and just reflect and remember and honorthe sacrifices that have been made to keep
us free. And that's what MemorialDay is. You know, so many

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people kind of treated as a youknow, as a barbecue day or you
know, day off from school orday off from work or something like that.
But it's one of one of ourmost revered and honored holidays because the
freedom that's been provided by all thosewho have given their lives and those who

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have served cannot be underestimated or takenfor granted. We have to we have
to make sure that we remember themand honor them, and that's what we
do at the National Memorial They Concerteach year. We do that through songs
and celebrations and stories. We tellstories of those who have given their lives
and served our country. It's reallyour way of just bringing the country together

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for that one special night right beforeMemorial Day, which is Monday. We
do the concert on Sunday, andjust it really tees up Memorial Day.
I think very well. I'm curiouswhat's involved behind the scenes for you in
terms of preparing for this show.Is there a lot of practice? Do
you rehearse lines, do you godo stuff with the acts who will be

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there? What's that like? Yeah? Well, I'm you know, I'm
Joe and I are narrators, youknow, we kind of the hosts of
the show, and so we wehelp manage from scene to scene, introducing
the different acts and different artists thatare involved in it. And occasionally,

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well we participate in one of thestories ourselves. We've done that many many
times over the years. So yeah, I mean, any given show,
can you be a little bit moreon this show and a little bit less
on the next one. It's alittle bit different each each year. It's
always a great show. And youknow, we get to rehearse on Saturday,

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do a dress rehearsal Saturday night,kind of talk through any notes or
anything we have the following day,and then we go live on Sunday night.
We're talking with actor of Stage inScreen Gary Sonise about the twenty twenty
four National Memorial Day Concert where heis once again the Honorary Grand Marshall along

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with his friend and co host JoeMantana this Sunday at six pm Colorado time.
It's broadcast from the West lawn ofthe US Capital. That's going to
be on PBS Gary. Do youhave military connections in your in your family?
What brings this level of patriotism toyou? Yeah, Well, a

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lot of the work that I doin service to our veterans and our first
responders, all that begins with themilitary members of my own family. My
grandfather served in World War One.He was an ambulance driver in France,
and then he had three sons.They all served two in World War Two,

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and my dad served during the KoreanWar and the Navy. My wife's
side of the family Vietnam veterans.A lot of veterans in my family,
So it really is it just hasspecial meaning to me because there's so many
who have served in the family.I hope you won't mind my asking you
this next question, but I'm wonderingif there's something special about this year for

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you because of Mac and maybe formy listeners who don't know why I'm asking
this question, maybe you can tellthem why I asked, well, thank
you. I mean, unfortunately,we lost our son to a very serious

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battle with cancer this past January.He'd been fighting cancer for about five and
a half years. He's named aftermy wife's brother, who was a West
Pointer two tours in Vietnam and hepassed away of cancer unfortunately in nineteen eighty
three. Mac was just he's atremendous guy. There's a story at the

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on the homepage of the Gary SoneseFoundation website. We put it up there
because many people have been supporting usand trying to help us through and I
never made it public what we weregoing through, but so many people were
very supportive throughout so we decided tojust let people know who Mac was and

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what we've been going through. Andwe've received a lot of tremendous support and
right in at the end of hislife, he was really struggling physically,
but he was a musician and composerand he had put that away for several
years because of the cancer fight.And at the end of his life he

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went back into the studio and recordedthis beautiful music that is now at Maxinie
YouTube, and there's an album thathe made that was finished the final month
of his life, and that's availableat the Garrison News Foundation website. And
it's really been wonderful to see peopleand break that so much and pack He

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also, you know, worked forthe Gary Senese Foundation, so he was
very dedicated to our mission of honoringand serving our nation's defenders. Wow.
All right, so I'll just tellyou something. Then, each July twenty
third, I play a bunch ofmusic on my show because that's my brother's

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birthday. And my brother died inan accident. He fell off a mountain,
basically, and I've seen what it'slike for a parent to lose a
child, and I've lost a brother. But the reason that I wanted to
tell you that story is not somuch the lost part, but rather that
my brother was a musician, andI put together an album of his music

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after he died, and it's justone of my most precious things. And
so I really appreciate your story,maybe a little more than the average person
does. Well, well, that'sfantastic. You know, Mac was happy
at the end because he's accomplished whathe set out to do, and I

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knew he was. He was happy. And then since he you know,
he passed away. I started goingthrough all his files and I've I've found
all kinds of other music that hetucked away. So we're doing another record.
We're working on that this summer,so there'll be another one coming out.
And I sure appreciate you sharing thatbecause I know, I know what

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it's doing for me to be tobe able to focus on this and and
to help bring some of these musicaltreasures, you know, to life for
Mac, and so I can imaginewhat it was like for you for your
brother as well. Folks, Soyou can go to Gary Siniespound dot org

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to check out that music and learnmore about Mac and about the foundation.
And of course, this Sunday atsix pm Colorado time, the twenty twenty
four National Memorial Day Concert will bebroadcast from the West Lawn of the US
Capital on pbs CO. Grand MarshalGary Sonise with his friend Joe Mantana.
Also, Gary, it's great totalk to you again this year. Thanks

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for everything that you have done toentertain me, and thanks for everything that
you do for our American veterans andfor the fallen. I'm truly grateful.
I sure appreciate gaming. Neon,thank you, thank you, have a
great show, all right. Well, didn't know that part about the music,

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and I had learned somewhat recently thathis son passed away, and I
thought it would be I thought itwould be good to ask him that question.
I don't mean good happy, Imean worth talking to it. I
had the sense there. It's hardto tell when you're, you know,
talking with someone who's a professional speaker, you know, a professional entertainer,

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a professional all this, it's hardto tell what they're happy to talk about.
But I don't know, Maybe I'mreading too much into it, but
I had the sense that he washappy to be asked that question and to
be able to give that answer.So anyway, I hope you enjoyed that
conversation as well. I'm going tomove on to some other things here.
So this is going to be avery dramatic shifting gears. But let's just

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do this. So you probably know, especially if you live in Colorado,
and especially if you ski or snowboard, that when you get on the mountain,
before you go up there, whenyou get in your lift ticket,
you sign a little thing that saysthat you've agreed to a rather large document
actually that you don't actually read.Nobody actually read it, reads it.

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But it's a liability waiver. Andbasically, the liability waiver says, and
I'm going to summarize very succinctly,skiing is dangerous and if you get hurt
here, it's not our fault andwe're not gonna pay for it. So
that's what the waiver says that yousign. And normally these things are quite
air tight, actually, and Irealized that there are folks that will say,

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well, wow, if someone gothurt because such and such, shouldn't
they be able to sue? Butyou got to remember the other side of
this. The key reason for thesewaivers is that if ski resorts and other
types of places that offer what couldpotentially be injurious activities, if they could

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be financially liable when somebody did somerisky thing and then ended up getting hurt,
they wouldn't be able to stay inbusiness, or the lift ticket price
would be so expensive as to beunaffordable for almost everyone, which also probably
means they're not in business, rightAnd so you gotta have these waivers.

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It's the waiver is not just toprotect veil resorts or whoever. The waiver
is to protect skiers in the senseof without the waiver, there's no place
to ski. So then you startgetting into narrower areas of law, which
is to say, are there situationsin which the waiver doesn't apply? And

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yesterday the State Supreme Court here inColorado, on a five to two vote,
said yes, indeed, there isat least one kind of situation where
the liability waiver does not protect theski resort. And just to be clear

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as I go through the details,the State Supreme Court did not rule in
who wins or loses the lawsuit againstthe ski resort, but rather it ruled
that the lawsuit against the resort cango ahead because the waiver does not block

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this lawsuit, and I'm going togo to the Colorado sun for this.
The court majority said that waivers doprotect ski areas from some types of liability
claims, but it's said that negligenceclaims related to chair lift accidents and specific
provisions of two Colorado laws, theColorado Ski Safety Act and the Passenger Tramway

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Safety Act, cannot be waived away. This is the first time that the
Colorado State Supreme Court has ruled againstliability waivers in a skiing case, and
it marks a rare instance when aColorado court has allowed a liability lawsuit against
a ski area to go forward.And what I as I'm reading this and

(35:00):
trying to understand it because it isa little technical, but oh, by
the way, what the case isabout is that a couple of folks went
to Crested Butte. They were fromout of state. They're, you know,
tourists coming to ski. And itwas a dad and his sixteen year
old daughter, and I guess shehad some trouble getting on the chair lift

(35:24):
and didn't get on all the wayand didn't get on properly and started like
hanging off, like sliding off.The dad tried to grab her but and
then was like yelling for it stop. The chairlift stopped the chairlift, and
they didn't stop it, and thechairlift just kept going and the dad lost
the grip and the sixteen year oldgirl named Anny Miller fell about thirty feet

(35:47):
onto hard packed snow, landed onher back, broke her back, and
I left her quadriplegic. I mean, can you imagine, by the way,
you know, going from this joyousday coming from out of state to
go to a beautiful place like crested, and a few minutes later you're paralyzed
from the neck down for the restof your life. Brutal from the Colorado

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Mike Miller said he and others screamedfor a lift attendant to stop the lift
when any had difficulty getting seated,but nobody did. He later filed a
lawsuit alleging three different types of negligence, and a lower court dismissed two of
them, and then Miller appealed thatto the state Supreme Court, and then

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the state Supreme Court said that oneof the two can go ahead. And
it's not that they are saying thewaivers generally speaking don't stand. The waivers
still generally do stand. But whatthey are saying here is that there are

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a couple of laws in Colorado.Again I mentioned them, the Ski Safety
Act and the Passenger Tramway Safety Act, which governed the operation of ski resorts
and chairlifts. And this ruling saysthat if the ski resort violates state law
in how they operate, something right. And the court majority said that these

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two laws create a legal framework intendedquote to protect against the types of injuries,
damages, and losses that any suffered. So what they're saying is that
if a if a lower court wereto decide that the way the ski resort
operated the chairlift that day actually violatedstate law that says how the ski resort

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must operate the chairlift, then itpunctures the waiver. Then the waiver will
not apply. The waiver applies tothings that happen it's an inherently risky sport,
but not things that happen when theski resort violates state law law.

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So a very interesting case, potentiallyvery large case. We'll see what happens.
Again. It's not as much adisaster for ski resorts as you might
think if you just saw a headlinesaying court rules against liability waiver at ski
resort. Right, you really gotto get get into the nuts and bolts

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of it here. So it's avery specific situation that I think there's a
couple of possibilities here of what happens. One is the ski resorts get better
at how they manage the chairlift tomake sure that this doesn't happen again.
Right, to make sure that ifsomebody has a problem getting on the chairlift,

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that somebody stops the lift, rightto reduce their liability that way.
And then the other thing that couldhappen is that the state legislature could change
the law saying that this kind ofthing, you know, they must do,
but maybe make it so that someother things would still be protected by
waiver. That would take some timeif it were to happen. In any
case, it's such a huge industryhere in Colorado. I wanted to make

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sure you knew about that story.We'll take a quick break and we'll be
right back with something that Joe Bidensaid that makes me, even me wonder
what is he on? Oh,I didn't mention this earlier. I think
part of the reason I'm in abit of a weird mood today is how
I got dressed this morning. Youready? You get asked to backwards or

(39:27):
something so almost almost? Are youready for this? Go for it?
Sock sock, underwear, pants,deodorant, shoeshoe shirt. Huh that's unusual
even for me. What is theusual order then, because your unusual order

(39:53):
is pretty close to my usual order, sock sock underwear, shirt pants.
So, first of all, Ithink that the first thing that jumped out
at me was doing shoes before shirt. Is a little unusual, and normally
I do underwear before socks. Okay, but you don't know. Oh yeah,

(40:15):
interesting when I set the pile outof clothes the night before, the
socks are the smallest thing, sothey're on top, they're on top.
Okay, yeah, I'm just I'mstill in a bit of a tizzy from
from all of that. So thatwas sock, socks, sock, sock,
underwear, pants, deodorant, shoe, shoe, shirt. That was

(40:38):
That was my morning. And I'mnot sure whether it threw me off track
or put me solidly on a goodtrack for the day. Says we're wasting
time. Yeah, right, sock, then left sock, shoe, then
left shoe. I don't remember viceversa. It was just whichever I happened
to. Well you know there shotsocks are generally not sided, so I
don't remember. And then shoe,I don't member. It was just whichever

(41:00):
I picked up first because they werein they were in a little shelfy thing
where all I could see was theheel of the shoe. So I just
picked one up and put it on. But I couldn't tell when I before
I picked it up whether it wasthe right or the left, So I
don't remember. Do you know whichnormally when you put on first, I
don't know. I don't know.Oh, I don't even know if I
have a pattern, but I probablydo, Probably do you. Yeah,

(41:20):
it's typically right, right is first? Huh on both sock and shoe.
I'm gonna have to keep an eyeout for that. I don't know.
Uh, what's what's wrong with thisguy? And when I was Vice president,
things were kind of bad during thepandemic. And what happened was Rock

(41:42):
said to me, go to Detroit, help fix it. Well, poor
Mary, he spent more time withme than he ever thought. He's going
to have to God love you.So he's there with the mayor of Detroit
or something. God love you.Look, I realize he's old and decrepit
and losing it. And as I'vesaid many times, the dude was always

(42:04):
one of the dumbest members of theSenate, even when he was younger,
even when he was much younger,even in the eighties, Robin Woods,
he was dumb. And one ofhis last stand up specials was making fun
of how demented Joe Biden was.Really Yeah, wow, I did not
know that. Yeah, So itwasn't that the pandemic was only four years

(42:25):
ago? The beginning of the pandemicwas only four years ago, and then
it went on for a year anda half or whatever it went on for.
Does Joe Biden really think he wasvice president during the Trump administration or
did he really think that the pandemichappened during the Biden administration? I mean,

(42:45):
look, the dude is standing thereattempting to read a teleprompter and it
must scare the bjesus out of hisadvisors and his staffers when he freelances could
be possibly thinking about this Spanish fluidand when he was vice president then,
And he's old enough to be ohmy gosh, that's funny, and he

(43:06):
embellishes everything about his own history.So maybe he thinks he was vice president
twice. But seriously, all thedude needs to do is read the teleprompter.
He's a bad reader. You canyou can watch he's a he's a
bad reader, and he's a badthinker. His brain is just But my
point is not just to reiterate whatwe all know that the dude is kind

(43:30):
of losing it. But isn't thisalmost it's either a new level of losing
it or a new level of doeshe really think we're this stupid? Repeat
the line was Vice President, thanksfor kind of bad during the pandemic.
And what happened was it doesn't matter, It doesn't matter what happened. Uh

(43:52):
I just what do you say tothat? What do you say to the
fact that this is the guy who'srunning the United States of America? Now
it's it's really quite nuts. AndI'll tell you, more and more polling
is coming out that actually shows Trumppulling away. There was a brief time

(44:14):
where Trump seemed to in a shortterm basis have peaked, Biden started to
catch up to him a little bit, and now it's turning back the other
way and Trump is pulling away againin some of these key swing states.
And you know you, I'll tellyou, lots and lots of people in
this country really don't like Donald Trump. And it shows you. And it's

(44:37):
not easy for an incumbent president tolose reelection, not that many incumbents do
lose reelection, but Donald Trump did. And the fact that he's leading in
every or almost every swing state nowshows just what a horrendous job Joe Biden
is doing. And I think primarilyit comes down to cost of living,

(45:00):
and everybody knows, and they're rightto know. I didn't say everybody thinks.
I said everybody knows that when you'retrying to decide between whether to buy
rent or food or try to savea little money for your retirement or for
a vacation, which you used tobe able to do and now you can't.

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They know it's Joe Biden's fault.We didn't ask for text responses to
how I got dressed this morning,but I always welcome them. I'm not
complaining about them. I'm just sayingI didn't ask for them, and yet
we got a lot. I lovereading text I love reading texts too.
And by the way, folks,you should have our number programmed into your
phone. It's five six six ninezero, and use one of the favorites.
You could use that to text us, to text Mandy, to text

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Colorado Morning News before us, totext all the sports guys after us.
So just keep that in your phone. Five sixty six nine zero. More
than one person. Dragon is concernedfor both you and me that if we
were to put on socks before underwear, it might mean that you need to

(46:07):
sit down and expose your bed orchair or something to what one listener calls
your naked junk. And I wouldjust like it before I keep going,
let me just say where we're goingwith this is an absolutely no win situation
based on what listeners have to say, like either way, I'm doing it

(46:30):
wrong and you're doing it wrong bydoing it the way I did it today.
And I would just like to saythat I put my socks on without
sitting down. I'm standing up andI put my socks on a good balance
and my balance is fine. Andthen from the there's no winning here.

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Another listener said, wait a minute, do you mean that you're bending over
to put your socks on while you'renaked, which is also an image that
even I don't want to think about, even when I'm thinking about me,
not even thinking about you. ButI'm not exactly you do this kind of
thing. You put your foot up, Well I don't. Uh So what
Dragon just showed was lifting up oneleg and putting and and then putting the

(47:16):
lower part of his leg horizontal.I'm not I'm not doing that. I'm
just lifting a leg straight up.So need a chest, need a chest,
need a chest, and putting thisup or maybe I don't know if
I can do light yeah something,but I'm I don't picture myself is leaning
over or or bending over to putthe socks on. Right, you're not
doing a forward fold? No,are you? No? I sit down?

(47:40):
Wait? Okay, so you're you'redoing what the listener is afraid of.
You are exposing your bed comforters orsheets or chair to your naked junk.
Yes, which it already has.So okay, all right, continue,
No nothing, it's your you're junken. It is your care. So

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I don't I don't care. Idon't really see what the problem is,
although I do kind of understand thepoint that I probably wouldn't if if there
was even a slight amount of bendingover involved in putting my socks on while
I'm not wearing underwear, I wouldnot do that. If my wife were

(48:22):
standing right there. You don't wantto expose her to a full moon?
No, okay? And she wouldnot want to be okay, that was
the other question. She would notwant to be be excited? No,
what about missus Redbeard? Sure,gudn't care? Nah, so you'll all
right? Right? Uh huh,that's enough. Another texture did say we

(48:44):
need to add bras into that situation. Neither of us are female and wear
a bra, right, you're curiousabout that. That order is to when
a bra happens to get put on, Multiple people saying always put underwear on
first, and usually I do.I didn't this morning, which is maybe

(49:04):
why I'm in such a strange mood. And then this one listener says,
Ross, you guys wear underwear,which is a pretty good answer. I
yes, And that was just camejust before Ross Love texts question Mark read
this one. Okay, all right? Is that fine for Dragon to read

(49:25):
that instead of me? You wantme to read it? Ross Love texts
read this one. See, wedo aim to aim to please here.
We also, this is something Dragonand I particularly pride ourselves on. We
both think wasting time. We arespectacular at wasting your time. Yeah,

(49:45):
we are so good. Who isbetter at wasting your time than we are?
In fact, we just did fivefull minutes of talking about how much
or how little a person can getaway with bending over to put one's socks
on before wearing, before putting onunderwear, and you, my friends,

(50:07):
listen to all of it, andI consider that a tremendous accomplishment. But
we don't have Jay Ratlift yet.We're gonna keep trying to get him and
hopefully we'll have him on the show. Hopefully in a little bit. I'll
just tell you, I'll just tellyou very briefly what the topic is,
and then hopefully we'll get him,and otherwise I'll come back at some point

(50:27):
and do this myself. But therewas a headline I saw over at the
Associated Press US airlines are suing theBiden administration over a new rule to make
certain fees easier to spot. Andagain, Jay Ratlift does a lot of
aviation analysis for many iHeart stations,so wanted to have him on to talk
about it. But the Department ofTransportation has proposed a new rule that,

(50:54):
among other things, would require airlinesto automatically issue cash refunds for things like
delayed flights, So that's one part, and to better disclose fees for baggage
or canceling a reservation. This isfrom a different AP story, So the
refund part I think is pretty straightforward. They have to the airlines would be

(51:19):
required to provide automatic cash refunds withina few days for canceled flights. Or
significant delays. Under current regulations,airlines decide how long has to a delay
has to be before giving refunds.Now, the administration is defining a significant
delay as one that lasts three hoursfor domestic flights or six hours for international

(51:43):
flights. And there's all that.So the rule will also apply to refunds
of check bag fees if the bagisn't delivered within twelve hours of a domestic
flight or fifteen to thirty hours ofan international flight, and also other fees
like seat selection fee, is aninternet connection fees, and stuff like that.

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Then there's this other rule that wouldrequire airlines and ticket agents to disclose
up front what is charged for checkbags, carry on bags, and for
canceling or changing a reservation, andon the airline's websites. These fees must

(52:25):
be shown the first time a customersees a price and a schedule. The
rule will also oblige airlines to tellpassengers that they have a guaranteed seat that
they are not required to pay extrafor, although it does not bar airlines
from charging people if to choose specificseats, and many airlines are now doing

(52:49):
this. They charge extra if youwant to say book in exit row or
book, you know, in aparticular part of the airplane, let's say,
such as further forward. And therule the agency says, Now,
this is an interesting point. Theagency says that the rule will save consumers
more than five hundred million dollars ayear. Now, if they're just talking

(53:12):
about this transparency part right, justtalking about the part where airlines need to
disclose certain fees up front. Andif the FAA is saying that the rule
will save consumers more than five hundreddollars a five hundred million dollars a year,
what does that mean? It meansgoing to cost the airlines more than
five hundred million dollars a year.And so airlines are pushing back, and

(53:37):
some big airlines American, Delta,United and three others, along with the
overarching Airline Industry trade Group, suedthe Transportation Department last Fridays, asking the
court to overturn the rule. Andthey say that the Transportation Department does not

(53:59):
have the author to regulate private businessoperations in a thriving marketplace. And the
airlines also say that the administration hasn'tdemonstrated that consumers can't get that information about
fees already So anyway, this isgonna be an interesting story, big story.
How this ends up playing out potentially, well, we'll see, and

(54:24):
I'll tell you what I'm gonna dohere. On the on the chance that
we can get Jay Ratliffe in thenext several minutes, I'm gonna switch topics,
and then if we get him,I'll come back to this with him.
And if we don't get him,then I'll probably come back to this
without him, but just in casehe answers the phone, which is not
right now. Maybe I don't know. Maybe I made a mistake in translating

(54:45):
time zones with him. I don'tknow, but we'll see. So for
a moment, I'm gonna switch gearsand then I'll come back to some of
this aviation stuff, because there's moreof it, and it's and it's all
interesting. So yesterday I noted brieflyin the aftermath of the death of the

(55:06):
Butcher of Tehran that was his nickname, the president of Iran named Ibrahim Raisi,
who died in helicopter crash, andthank goodness for that. But I
noted that China and Russia and someother places, and even somebody from the
European Commission had noted their condolences,had sent their condolences to Iran, and

(55:37):
at that point I hadn't seen becauseit probably didn't exist yet. What I'm
going to share with you now,this is from the website State dot gov.
In other words, this is theofficial website for the United States State
Department, and it says the UnitedStates expresses it's official condolences for the death

(56:01):
of Iranian President Ibrahim Raisi, ForeignMinister Amir Abdollahian and other members of their
delegation in a helicopter crash in northwestIran. As Iran selects a new president,
we reaffirm our support for the Iranianpeople and their struggle for human rights
and fundamental freedoms. Now, lookthat the second sentence is fine, right,

(56:23):
we reaffirm our support for the Iranianpeople. YadA, YadA, yadah.
That's all fine. But I thinkthis they should have not done any
of this, or they should haveonly said the second part. They should
have just said, as Iran selectsa new president, we reaffirm our support
for the Iranian people. Why onGod's green Earth would you express official condolences

(56:47):
for the death of somebody who isthought to have sentenced something on the order
of thirty thousand Iranians, not thirtyIranians. Thirty thousand Aranians to be killed
because of their political views. Whywould you have anything other than sheer glee

(57:08):
at this man's death. That's whatI have. My first thought before I
read a little bit more about thisguy, was it doesn't matter very much
because he'll just be replaced by somebodyexactly like him. But that's not right.
He will be replaced by another badperson. But even in Iran,

(57:30):
there's not that many people as badas this guy was. So this is
a guy who every decent human shouldhave wished dead, and now he is.
And so actually, here's the thing. I read about this in a
news story and then I found itonline myself and I retweeted it. So
if you follow me on Twitter orx at ross puton Rossputi, and you

(57:54):
will see I retweeted this thing.And it's actually a tweet that's in Arabic,
but there's a button that you canclick on to see the translation.
And it comes from an Emam,right, a Muslim cleric in Gaza.
And this Muslim cleric says, youknow what, I wonder if I have

(58:15):
this thing right in front of me. I've got my iPad open here.
Let me just let me just seeif I can find this thing quickly,
because okay, I found it.I found it, So let me see
if I can do this translate post. This is semi professional radio. I'm
finding it hitting buttons on my laptopwhile I talk to you. But I
got it here. So this isfrom some Muslim cleric in Gaza, and

(58:37):
he says, despite the pain andwounds we have experienced in Gaza, we
cannot fail to participate with our brothersin Ahuas, Iraq, Yemen and the
Levant and share in the Muslim's joyover the destruction of the murderous criminal Thub,
the owner of the death squad,Ryisi, and the destruction of a

(59:00):
group of criminals with him. Nowthat's interesting, right. I don't know
whether this particular Muslim cleric's happiness aboutthe death of Raisi is due to a
bigger picture Sunni versus Shiite thing,because Iran is a large Shiite power and

(59:25):
most of the Middle East is sunny, and without getting too much into all
of that, these are the twomajor branches of Islam, and they don't
get along very well. They dislikeeach other quite a bit more than at
least the modern versions of let's say, Catholics and Protestants do. It might
be something closer to the dislike ofCatholics and early versions of Protestant or you

(59:49):
might actually see them killing each otherover differences in their religious views, even
though they're both Christian. It's thesame thing with Sunny versus Shiite. They
don't mind filling each other over differencesin religion, even though to people who
don't pay very close attention you wouldsay, well, they're both Muslim.
So in any case, that waspretty interesting. So even in Gaza,

(01:00:10):
you've got someone celebrating the death ofthis guy. I have no idea who
in the United States Department of Statethought it would be a decent idea to
express condolences for the death of thepresident of Iran. You should be cheering.
Oh, by the way, bythe way, the guy, the
Imam and the Gaza thing. Heincluded a picture. There's a picture of

(01:00:31):
deserty kind of stuff, not quiteback lavab but almost like that, like
sweets that he was handing out incelebration of the death of the President of
Iran. That's what should have happened. Tony Blinken should have come out offering
everybody like some cotton candy or something, just cheering for the death of this
guy. That's what should have happened. And I also note that the United

(01:00:53):
Nations did a moment of silence wherein the Security Council they stood up for
a moment of silence, and theUS guy who was there, the American
Deputy Ambassador of the United Nations,his name is Robert Wood, stood up
for a minute of silence to orderthis, to honor this, this murderous

(01:01:15):
bastard. And he should have stoodup. He should just sat there and
let everybody else stand up. Justsuch a pathetic show of lack of moral
clarity by these people who are inpositions that are way too important to allow
people who have no moral clarity.All right, let's do this very pleased

(01:01:36):
to welcome back to the show.Jay ratleft and Jay is iHeart Aviation Analyst.
He also does a day trading trainingfor folks who are interested in approaching
the stock market from that way.His website is j Ratlift dot com,
Jay r A t l i ffdot com and of course iHeart Aviation analyst.
I love talking with Jay about allthings aviation. So Jay, welcome

(01:01:59):
back to the show. It's goodto have you. I always been.
It's always fun to chat. Toolong since the last time we did,
so, yeah, for sure.And before you got here, I spent
a couple of minutes explaining to listenerssome of this new transparency rule. So
you probably don't need to give usthe major news headline points about this transparency

(01:02:20):
rule, but maybe some more behindthe scenes stuff like why do the airlines
hate it so much? And whatdo you think about it? Well,
I mean, the Department Transportation saysby doing this, they're going to save
consumers maybe five hundred million dollars ina year because we're going to have better
information, we're going to be morewell informed, and we're gonna make better

(01:02:42):
decisions. When I see the airlinesthrowing a fit like a two year old
toddler at the mall, I'm like, yeah, they don't want this to
happen because it's going to for thefirst time, kind of pull that curtain
back where we can see everything atone time. The thought is you can
be lured in with a low fare, you grab it, but then you
had the bags, then you hadthe seat you want to sit in,

(01:03:02):
and you had some other things.And then when you get to the final
page, tax we pay for it? Then you see everything and I thought
it, WHOA wait a minute,where's the deal behind this? So what
the Department of Transportation wants is allof that to be listed on the front
page before we ever get to thatfinal stage of booking the reservation and airlines

(01:03:22):
are planning on suing saying that thisis too much information for the consumer.
It's going to inundate them, confusethem. But yeah, now you care
about it. I get that.So the whole idea here is I love
it. Look, I may havespent decades in the airline industry, but
I grow tired of some of thegames that they play, and this is
going to be something that's going toarm the consumer. And I love it.

(01:03:45):
And look, I am not aJoe Biden fan in the slightest at
all ever, but I will sayI appreciate how the administration is coming after
the airline industry unlike any other andanytime that you can old airlines accountable,
as we're saying, I love it, and I certainly don't think that the
counter suit going back against the DepartmentTransportation by the airlines is really going to

(01:04:06):
do much. I have to say, philosophically, I struggled with it a
little bit because, on the onehand, I agree with everything you said
about more information being better and sortof lured into stuff. To me,
it reminds me a little bit ofyou. You book a hotel room for
seventy nine dollars a night and thenfind out there's a thirty nine dollars a

(01:04:28):
night resort fee that they didn't discloseuntil the end, right example. On
the other hand, as a libertarian, I really struggle with the government telling
businesses how they have to operate.Right, So to me, I'm leaning
with you there. But here's thedeal. This upcoming weekend, we got

(01:04:49):
the Memorial Day weekend, which kicksoff the busy summer travel season. Airlines
are going to see load factors ofninety percent and better. They treat us
like crap and we keep coming back. So ideally we could penalize airlines if
we stop flying, if we stoptaking it, And really that's the only
thing they respond to is the hitin the economic side of things from a

(01:05:12):
revenue standpoint, with the load factorsof ninety percent or better. They don't
have any incentive at all to treatus any better than they do, so
they've got to be forced to doso. Not that we can really force
somebody to treat us better, youknow. Look, I'm all for it
because right now the accountability on theairline side simply isn't there. And I
don't want to get back to thepoint where we have any sort of regulation

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as far as a regulated airline industrylike we had prior to the Deregulation Act
of nineteen seventy eight. But look, I'm tired of the airlines getting their
way on. It's normally the airlineindustry telling the government what they're going to
do instead of the other way around, and I totally am opposed to that.
Okay, So another potential outcome fromthis which I find very interesting.

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Right So, what we're talking aboutwith this more information is that people feel
really annoyed when you book what lookslike a cheap flight and then you get
through and you find out it's thismuch for a bag, and this much
for a seat, and this muchfor the oxygen, and this much for
the water and this much for everything, and you end up with incredibly expensive
flight. And the people who whopioneered destroying customer relations that way it was

(01:06:19):
Frontier Airlines. And Frontier is obviouslybased in Denver, and I used to
fly them a lot and then theywent down this road and I haven't flown
Frontier in years, and just theFrontier experience is to me a textbook example
of everything that a company should notdo. And now I see a headline

(01:06:41):
that looks like based on I don'tknow if it's based on this rule or
what, but the headline is FrontierAirlines make sweeping changes to fees and transparency
amid consumer complaints. So how shouldwe think about this? Well, think
about they're doing it before they're toldto doing it, and they being spirit
and Frontier had in hand, aredoing this at the same time. And

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it is certainly going to be somethingthat is in line with better service.
And there's parts of Frontier I absolutelylove, and there's parts, Yes,
they can do a better job atas many of the low cost carriers can.
And of course, one of theissues you have with any low cost
carriers if they only operate three daysa week out of your city Monday,
Wednesday, Friday, the Monday flightgets canceled, you're looking at Wednesday before

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maybe you can get to your destinationif there are seats, and if not,
it would be the end of theweek. You go with the United
Delta. Whoever, now there's apretty good chance you have an opportunity at
least of getting to your destination thatday later with some different options. You
keep that in mind as you makereservations. But obviously, if you're talking
about just basic transportation, get mefrom point A to point B. I

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don't have any luggage or very little. I don't care where I sit now.
The low cost carriers are the wayto go. So it's just really,
as we move forward, it comesdown to a choice of preference,
and I really am hoping that theairline industry can be forced, if possible,
into a better realm of taking careof us. I don't think it's

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going to happen, and it's certainlygoing to happen willingly on their end.
And one of the things I cannotwait to see is the FAA is going
to be forced with the airlines togo into a review of the ninety second
evacuation rule. Right now, ifyou can't get eybody off the plane in
ninety seconds or less, you can'toperate that aircraft. And unfortunately, the
test the FAA does includes no oneover sixty, no one under eighteen,

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nobody with disabilities, no service animal, no kids, no carry on bags.
Oh yeah, we can get everybodyoff in ninety seconds. Tammy Duckworth,
the Senator from Illinois, wants areal, live test that would reflect
what would happen in a real courseevacuation, and part of that FA authorization
bill is in there for the FAto do that. Here's the interesting thing.

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If the FA is forced to doso and they find they can't get
everybody else if an airplane in ninetyseconds, we have two options. Either
they're going to have to extend thatninety seconds to a bigger number, or
they're gonna have to take seats offthe airplane. Wow. Not wait to
see what happens. Wow, youthink the airlines are throwing a fit right
now? You start ripping some ofthose seams off that silver revenue tube and

(01:09:20):
watch what happens to them. Wow, that is a tremendous point. I
didn't even think of that next stepwhen you sent me this headline about the
airplane evacuations. Do you have aguess as to whether they'll say, okay,
you can have one hundred and twentyseconds or do you think even one
hundred and twenty seconds won't be enough? But do you want to go there?

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Do you want to be the personthat says yeah, do you want
right? Okay? Because the airlineshave Cramson may seats on there, and
these politicians who won't make a decisionon anything, Yeah, can you imagine
them weighing in on Well, ifsafety is your number one priority, which
is all the government tells us,that's all the airline tell us, that's
all the fass, then you're goingto now make it where it's longer to

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get off of an airplane? Howdoes that make things safer? So you
talk about you know, choice Aor B, there's no C here.
Wow. So you know, again, I'm not a fan of Tammy Duckworth,
but I appreciate so much that she'scramming this at the airlines, saying
we need real time, you know, data that would reflect what's going to
happen. We had an American Airlinesflight number of years ago in Chicago on

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fire, took people three or fourminutes to get off of a burning airplane.
So do they have incentive? Youbetter believe they had incentive, But
sadly, it just took forever toget everybody off. So yeah, we've
got to have better tests. So, I mean, there's so many things
moving forward that literally could change thelandscape of aviation here in the United States.
I can't wait to see it.J rat laugh, iHeart aviation analyst.

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His website is j ratlift dot com. Jay R A T L I
F F dot com. Thanks asalways for your time, Jay, love
these conversations. We'll do it again, looking forward to it. Thank you.
Okay, we'll take a quick break. We'll be right back on Kawa.
You know that, in my opinion, the Colorado Republican Party has been
taken over by lunatics of modest intelligence. And I posted a tweet yesterday and

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here it. Here's what it says. I'll just read it to you.
I like heuristics, shortcuts that makedecisions easier. So here's one. If
you are a Colorado Republican, justwatch for the party emails of their corrupt
endorsements in contested Republican primaries and votefor whomever they don't endorse. So that

(01:11:35):
was what I said. It's prettystraightforward, right, because I think it's
wildly inappropriate and has been throughout thehistory of the party until this corrupt guy
named Dave Williams took over the partyand now he's using it to benefit himself
and his friends. It has alwaysbeen inappropriate for the party to take a
position on who should win a primarywithin the party. It's nonsense. It

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shouldn't be done. So I saidthat I just watch for whoever the party
endorses in a contested Republican primary andvote for the other guy or the other
gal, all right. So thenthe Colorado Republican Party responded to me this
morning and I quote, what aboutGreg Lopez Jackass? Do you like heuristics

(01:12:21):
or just hearing yourself speak? Now, first, I should say, if
these people understood how to write,they would have put a comma after Greg
Lopez. It should say what aboutGreg Lopez Jackass? Instead it just says
what about Greg Lopez Jackass? Andso I responded, I know you're not

(01:12:46):
very bright, but would you pleaseexplain to me just how Greg Lopez Jackass
is in and I quote a contestedRepublican primary. I don't think you should
talk about him that way. SoI made very clear that I didn't say
go vote against every Republican. Ididn't even say go vote against every Republican

(01:13:13):
that the state party endorses. Isaid vote against every Republican who the state
party endorses in a contested primary.But Greg Lopez is not in a contested
primary. He is in the specialelection for the fourth congressional district to fill
that seat from roughly July through September. He is not facing another Republican challenger.

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And so what I said doesn't applyto Greg Lopez or whoever Greg Lopez
Jackass is. But in any case, that just goes to show you that
the folks who are running the ColoradoRepublican Party can either write nor think what
dragon. It just reminds me ofa shirt that we got my father of

(01:13:58):
the rocket scientist. He's not quitea Grammar Nazi, but pretty close.
And this conversation, this Twitter backand forth and me have a shirt that
we got him that reads, Iam the grammarian about whom your mother had
warned you. I am the grammarianabout whom your mother warned you. So

(01:14:24):
I had to share that with excellentI like it. I do border on
being a grammar Nazi, I tend. Let me put it this way,
I'm a grammar Nazi in my mind, by which I mean that I notice
errors in rhetoric or writing or poorgrammar was used, but I don't feel

(01:14:45):
the need to always point them out. So it's not quite grammar Nazi,
right. I'm not always correcting peoplewhen they make a mistake. But if
somebody's gonna come at me like thisfrom an official account, from a from
the from the Republican Party account,what about Greg Lopez jackass like? I
don't think he'd appreciate you calling himthat. I think Greg Lopez is I

(01:15:09):
wouldn't call him that. So anyway, there's that. All right? Let
me what do I I just haveso much I need to do again.
I'm gonna do this story because itonly needs a minute. George Clooney is
married to a woman named Amal Clooney. She is an attorney and I guess
she does civil rights law. Andwhat we have learned? Now, hold

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on, I lost the story.Here we go. Check this out.
This is from the UK Daily Mail. I actually I haven't talked about the
underlying story yet. The International CriminalCourt, of which the United States of
America is not a participating member,and neither is Israel. The head prosecutor
there called for arrest warrants against thePrime Minister of Israel and the Defense Minister

(01:15:59):
of Israel, as well as someof the leaders of Hamas and talked about
them as if they're somehow equivalent.Now, Joe Biden came out very very
aggressively against the ICC, saying that'sdisgusting. It's outrageous for you to treat
these Hamas terrorists, as if they'resomehow as if the Israelis who are defending

(01:16:25):
themselves are somehow just as bad.In the Israel, you know, the
prosecutors talking about starvation in Gaza,and look, they're they're letting aid in
as best they can. Hamas thoughattacks people when they're bringing the aid.
Hamas steals the aid and all this. Look, if Israel really wanted to
starve the gozens to death, theycould, they're just not allow aid in.
But that's not what's happening in anycase. So I want to just

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mention amal Clooney. Now this isfrom the UK Daily Meal. Amal Clooney
played a key role in the InternationalCriminal Court's decision to issue a rest warrants
for the Israeli Prime minister and forthe Hamas leader uh Sin over alleged war
crimes. It has been revealed Clooney, a renowned human rights lawyer, was
named as one of the six legalexperts who helped the British prosecutor named Kareem

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Khan come to the decision announced todayto seek warrants for net Yahoo and Yoav
goaland who is the Defense Minister,as well as three Hamas leaders. So,
she said in a website on herown foundation, as a human rights
lawyer, I will never accept thatone child's life has less value than in
others. I do not accept thatany conflict should be beyond the reach of

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the law, nor that any perpetratorshould be above the law. So now
we have a very very high profileperson in Hollywood making an insane, immoral,
evil comparison between the Israelis and Hamas. Here's the difference. Hamas went

(01:17:54):
into Israel and intentionally raped, butchered, burned the law men, women and
children, including hundreds of teens andyoung adults who were literally dancing for peace
at that Nova dance party. Thepurpose of that Nova Dance party was dancing

(01:18:15):
for peace and Hamas went in thereand butchered them. Meanwhile, Israel like
drops leaflets saying, hey, we'recoming after Hamas. All of you civilians,
women, children, please get outof the way. We don't want
anybody to get hurt who doesn't needto get hurt. And it's true that
people have gotten hurt war is hell. People get hurt in war. Innocent

(01:18:38):
people get hurt in war. Butjust because innocent people get hurt does not
mean that the people who are defendingthemselves through this legitimate war Israel are committing
war crimes when those people get hurt. So I think that Amal Clooney has
now put herself forever on the wallof shame. Her position is so wrong

(01:19:01):
and so evil that even Joe Bidenknows that these days Dragon lately, a
lot of them have seemed kind oflike slow news days, really, and
yet there's just an immense amount totalk about, not least when we intentionally
waste people's time, Well, wecould waste more time. Do you have
a particular thing you want to wastetime about or are you just proposing it

(01:19:24):
as a fun thing to do?Yeah, I hadn't thought about it yet,
but yeah, it's always a funthing to just waste time. It
is, but let's not do thatright now. Let's think of some time
wasters for tomorrow, maybe because Iwant to do this thing. So I
struggle from time to time with someconversations about law enforcement because I have tremendous
respect for police officers, share deputies, state troopers and so on, who

(01:19:49):
take risks in their jobs that frankly, I'm not willing to take, and
I feel like we need to givethem a lot of leeway for the fact
that they take these risks. ButI also feel that you're in a job
where you have a gun and youhave the legal first right to use force,

(01:20:10):
and people who have that level ofresponsibility, in my opinion, need
to be able to manage that levelof responsibility. And along with the job
comes some risk. And if youdon't want that risk, and if you
can't handle that risk psychologically, thendon't do the job. And so when

(01:20:34):
a law enforcement officer does something heshouldn't do and somebody dies, I do
think that far more often than iscurrently the case, the officer should be
punished. I think way too manypolice officers get away with killing people.

(01:20:56):
Now, I'm not saying that police, like some of the left will say
police officers or are wrongly killing thousandsof people a year or anything like that.
I mean, this is probably athing that happens a dozen times a
year or maybe less, maybe less. Okay, I'm not saying there's an
epidemic of cops wrongly killing people.What I'm saying is when it does happen,
if it was wrong, the systemshould not protect the cops as much

(01:21:20):
as it does. Okay. Andthis is from Reason magazine. Hundreds of
Air Force service members in dressed blueuniforms filed into a Georgia megachurch on Friday
for the funeral of Roger Fortson,twenty three years old, a senior airman
who was shot and killed by anOkahoosa County Sheriff's deputy earlier this month after

(01:21:44):
he answered his door to his apartmentholding a gun at his side. So
Fortson was holding a gun at hisside when he answered the door when the
shriff's deputy went to the door.Fortson's dramatic funeral, which included a video
message from Reverend Al Sharpton, I'mno fan of was a stark reminder of
the deadly incoherence between America's Second Amendmentculture and hyper vigilant police training and tactics.

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Now Listen to this. Fortston wasfatally shot on May third after Sheriff's
deputies arrived at his apartment complex respondingto a call about an alleged domestic disturbance.
Listen to the whole thing before youstart making any judgments here. Body
camera footage released by the Sheriff's officeshows the deputy knocked on the door and
announced himself several times. Fortson eventuallyopened the door, holding a handgun down

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at his side, not up.Down at his side. The officer said,
step back and began firing. Fortsononly had time to raise his empty
hand palm outward. Three to fourseconds elapsed between Fortson opening the door and
the deputy firing six shots at him. The attorney who's representing Fortson's family said

(01:23:00):
that that sheriff's deputy was at thewrong door. A radio dispatcher told the
deputies who were going on the callthat the call was a quote was fourth
party information from a front desk atthe leasing office, and the bodycam footage
showed an unidentified woman telling deputies shewas not sure which door the disturbance came

(01:23:24):
from, and then she pointed towardsFortson's apartment, basically like I think it
came from, roughly over there.Fortson's family said that Fortson legally owned the
gun, had no criminal record,and was home alone at the time of
the incident. Now, the sheriff'soffice said that the deputy reacted in self

(01:23:46):
defense, but based on what Iknow of the story, he didn't based
on just what I shared with you, and maybe we'll learn later that something
was different. The sheriff's deputy sawa guy holding a gun, was not
up down at his side, andthe sheriff's deputy panicked and shot him six
times and killed him. And thisis a sheriff's deputy who had already been

(01:24:09):
told that it was unsure which apartmentthe disturbance was in, so he didn't
even have a reason to have highconfidence that anything wrong was going on in
that apartment. My friends, thatwas murder. Maybe not first degree murder,
but it was murder. At thevery least. It was manslaughter.
And I am so sick of thesystems the police departments, prosecutors, and

(01:24:32):
everybody else circling the wagons around copswho kill people. If you're a law
enforcement officer, thank you, butmake sure you have the psychological makeup to
handle the risks you are taking thatI am not willing to take, but
we pay you to take. Andif you can't handle it, go do

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something else. I spent some timeseveral days ago talking with a guy who
wrote a book about Arabella in thiswhole dark money network on the far left,
not just Soros, lots of otherpeople too, And some folks are
starting to pay more attention. Iseven some so called mainstream media folks are
starting to pay a little bit moreattention to what really appears to be not

(01:25:20):
just quote unquote dark money, notjust people funding left wing stuff in ways
that are clearly designed to keep fingerprintsoff of it, but but perhaps violating
the law in doing so. AndI read a fascinating piece at the Washington

(01:25:40):
Free Beacon yesterday entitled is this suburbanNew York charity a terrorist front group?
And joining us talk about his veryinteresting investigative reporting is Joe Simonson, who
is senior investigative reporter with the WashingtonFreebeacon. Freebeacon Dot com is their website.
By the way, Joe, thanksfor joining us, appreciate it,

(01:26:02):
thanks for having me. So tellus about this group in New York.
First, what are they called?And how did you like get this this
thread to start pulling on. Sothe organization is called Westpac and obstensibly it's
kind of this leepy, suburban NewYork charity that tells the IRS it's devoted

(01:26:25):
to current events education. Very briefexplanation to the i r S on what
they do. But what Westpac is, What Westpac does and what your listeners
might be more familiar with is theyare something called a fiscal sponsor of a

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bunch of anti Israel organizations and franklypro amof organizations such as Students for Justice
and Palestine. That's probably one ofthe best known ones that they fiscally sponsor.
And what a fiscal sponsorship is,it's kind of this scheme that the
i r S created decades ago forvery reasonable reasons. So the idea is

(01:27:09):
that if I'm a cancer charity,if I'm the American Cancer Association and you
want to start a pancreatic cancer charity, you want to focus more on pancreatic
research and stuff like that, butyou don't necessarily know how to run a
charity, run a nonprofit, allthe legal stuff accounting that kind of those

(01:27:29):
kind of issues. So the IRISsaid, well, we'll set up a
program called fiscal sponsorships. And whatthat does is that it allows a larger
charity to kind of incubate newer projects. And after a few years, once
you understand how to run a charity, that can be spin off into an
independent organization, or if it doesn'twork, you shut it down. It's

(01:27:51):
you know, it just doesn't getoff the ground, you can shut it
down. And what the what thelast has done in recent years is or
take advantage of this arrangement. Andso you see it all the times with
organization funded by Soros. They setup these sort of fiscal sponsorships to vote

(01:28:13):
it to pet causes. So ifthere's a new Supreme Court justice, one
of the Soros charities can spin upa fiscal sponsorship to protest that nomination and
then shut it down when it's whenit's all done. And this does two
things. One is that it allowslarger left winging dark money groups to spin

(01:28:34):
up new initiatives. But also furtherobscures who is funding that fiscal sponsorship.
So in the case of Student forJustice and Palestine, you don't know what
they're a part of. They don'thave to tell you actually that they're part
of West Peck. They don't haveto report their finances to the i r
S. All that is done throughWESTPECH. So if you do some digging,

(01:28:56):
you can sort of find out someof what these fiscal sponsors are.
And like I say, in thecase of wet Pact, very small planes
only have one part time employee.Charity in suburban New York is actually responsible
for overseeing this groundswell in large partof anti Israel protests across the country.
You note in your piece for theWashington Free Beacon, and I quote the

(01:29:19):
charity in twenty twenty two spent onepoint five nearly one point five million dollars
on office expenses, a category ofthe IRS should only cover supplies, telephone,
and postage. So do you thinkthat there's in addition to there being
something disgusting going on here, doyou think that maybe there's something illegal going

(01:29:42):
on here? Well, I mean, I'm not going to say for a
fact that what is that this isevidence illegality. What I will say is
that it begs it begs belief.Like you have said, you know these
IRS these nine nineties, but they'recalled these public tax filings that all charities

(01:30:05):
have to submit and they're open tothe public. That's the equivalent of when
you and I fill out our taxreturns every year. You can't you have
to see very transparent and you can'tscrew anything up. If you put the
wrong number in the wrong box,it doesn't matter that you didn't mean to
do it. The IRS is stillgoing to come after you. And in

(01:30:25):
the case of Westpac, which againis based with the parent organization of all
these anti Israel groups. I spokewith multiple experts who are quoted in my
piece, including former senior IRS officials. They've never seen anything like it,
And I've sent a lot of reportingon dark money, and I've neversed anything
like that. The idea that thischarity is telling the federal government that they're

(01:30:45):
sending one point five million dollars onpencils and papers on office supply. They're
saying they don't say any rent,they only have one part time employee,
they pay no benefits, they payno grants to very little in grants to
other charities. It's not really clearwhat they're sending that money on. And
I guess there is a point onepercent chance that they have a very offensive
pencil budget. But if that's notthe case, that's just that's the equivalent

(01:31:11):
of lying on your personal tax reterms. Wow, I hope some people are
paying attention to this. I don'trecall if I saw this in your piece
or some other piece about this sameWestpac group. But and so I might
be way off based on this,But do these guys have a tie to

(01:31:32):
that kind of insane businessman who loveschairman mal That is a difficult organization.
That's the People's Forum, which Ialso poverty might ret my other piece,
okay, pieces on it. Thatindividual's name is Neville Singham. But if
I can just quickly say, youknow, the issues with someone such as

(01:31:54):
Nevyll Singham is very similar to theissues that I pointed out with Westpac.
In the case of the of NevilleSingham, this very wealthy American moved to
China as openly now is works atthe CCP and is organizing a lot of
these antire zeral protests. These protestsare flagrant violations of the laws. They're
blocking bridges, they're occupying camp andbuildings, and they're planning them using charity

(01:32:17):
dollars. And the I r.S is very clear. You cannot be
a charity and use your tax thosetax deductible donations or legal activity. It
can't be zero point one percent ofany of your activities. That's the IRs'
standards. They're very clear. Andwhat's going on. This is going on

(01:32:38):
with Soros, pure O Majar andthis individual Nevill Singham you just mentioned they're
getting a tax break to subsidize thisillegal behavior. You know what, just
last quick thing since you mentioned it, uh, tell people who Pierre O
Midyar is because this guy, Uh, he might not be as as rich

(01:32:59):
as Soros, but he's a Ifyou think Soros is a bad dude,
and he I think he is,then you need to know about this guy.
And he's not nearly as famous,but but he should be. Sure.
So Kara Majar made he's a verywealthy tech entrepreneur at LEAs made his
money an eBay some time ago andhe's essentially retired off is that wealth.

(01:33:24):
I think it might total in nabillions and have set up something called the
on Mayar Network. And while theonly Yar network, it really, as
you said, should be sort ofsynonymous of open society foundations with George Soros,
because usually if you see where Sorow'smoney is going, Kara Majar is

(01:33:44):
there as well. Now, KiaMajar is not as much of a public
figure as George Soros, isn't goingaround sort of justifying its funding and is
on the public social justice crusade,but he shared very similar politics to George
Soros and his fun many these organizationsthat also get lumped in a sort of
like the Soros funded network, buthe's a very powerful, influential far left

(01:34:08):
owner. One quick listener question,where does somebody go to view a Form
nine ninety for a given nonprofit?Sure, so there are a bunch of
online resources. So if you justgoogled whatever they of the charity that you're
interested in, you can type inthat charity like American Cancer Foundation or whatever
nine ninety if you google it.There should be all sorts of public resources

(01:34:31):
that come up right away if forwhatever reason they're not there, or that
that charity for whatever reason hasn't postedtheir nine to nineties publicly, you are
legally entitled to get those if youreach out to that charity. As a
American, you can ask any charitysay I want your latest nine nineties,
and they have to give them toyou by federal laws. Wow. I

(01:34:55):
did not know that. That's veryinteresting. Well, Joe, I hope
that somebody at the IRS is payingattention to your remarkable reporting here. When
I had the guy on recently whowrote the book about Arabella, you know,
his mindset was that the folks whoare funding these Prohamas protests and such

(01:35:15):
things are also donors to the DemocraticParty, and so this administration is not
going to want to look into them. I'm as cynical as I am.
I still hope that there are honestpeople in these organizations that will see the
kind of behavior that you are describinghere, and you know, not assume
that they're breaking the law, butat least say this is worth a look.

(01:35:40):
Yeah. Absolutely, I'm not personallyholding my breath again. I think
that it's you know, from myperspective, you put my personal politics aside.
This is all very cut and drysort of illegal behavior. You know,
whether it's a cherry in the caseof Westpac likely budging their the tax
returns. Whether it's another organization sortof planning illegal protests and direct action incidents

(01:36:08):
like blocking bridges. These are justviolations of the law. Wouldn't matter if
it's left or right. And Ithink the kicker to this, which is
for the frustrating part for people withsome like me when I hear about the
biomeister's not going into it. Youknow, very wealthy people are getting tact
or getting task breaks for joining inthese groups. We're subsidizing it. And

(01:36:30):
that's the thing that I think everyoneshould all to agree on. That's a
tremendous point. Joe Simonson is seniorinvestigative reporter at the Washington Free Beacon.
The website is Freebeacon dot com.The piece we're discussing today is called is
this Suburban New York charity? Aterrorist front group? So you can find
it at Freebeacon dot com and asalways with all of my guests, where

(01:36:50):
I link to everything we're talking about, you can also find it at Rosscominski
dot com. Joe, thanks foryour great work. Look forward to having
you back. Thank you, lookforward too. All right, All right,
good stuff? That great? Imean, that's that's like, that's
real reporting. I just I lovethat stuff. Hi, Mandy, you're
here a little early today. Youwalked in like as if you had something

(01:37:13):
you wanted to say. I actuallywanted to piggyback on your interview. Just
then, okay with the Okay,you have the Arabella guy already or not
yet. I did have the Arabellaguy, but that's not even what I
wanted to talk about. What's poppingup right now in Colorado. All of
these new organizations they have had startedappearing after the last FEC reporting period,
but before the primary election, soyou won't actually know who's funding any of

(01:37:38):
this crap. But when you seean attack ad by a specific organization and
you go to their website and itjust says who we are, we're concerned
citizens. You want to make surethat the right people get elected. Those
are garbage. You have no ideawho's funding them. You should not listen
to anything they say. That's mypoint. I couldn't agree more. And

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I tell you I learned a lotfrom that Arabella book that I interviewed the
dude and then you just had thedude and I don't remember the name,
but there was you know, Coloraden'sfor something something that was funded by George
Soorrows and with the possible exception ofa registered agent, which is basically somebody
who's willing to rent out their addressto put on government forums, it had

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no connection at all to Colorado.It was just people spending money to try
to manipulate our elections and pretending likeit was grassroots, when in fact it
was AstroTurf. And the thing aboutthese things, I got one this morning
from I got an email with anattack ad against a politician, and when
I went to their website, ithas no information about any actual human on

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it except we're concerned people of Coloradoand we want you to vote like this.
Well, why the hell would I? You're an anonymous group, but
it's too shameful. You're as goodas the protesters walking around with masks on
right now, that's what you are. If you really believe it, put
your face on the effing website.Just how this for sure? And it's
probably a lot to ask, notnot of our listeners, but of kind

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of average people to when you hear, you know this ad paid for by
Colorado's for such and such, totake the effort and go look up Colorado's
for such and such and see ifyou can understand what it is anything you
know. It is a dark moneyorganization, could be funded by anyone,
could be right now. So whywould you why would you give them the

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credit of giving their opinion viewpoint yourconsideration? Did you hear the thing that
I talked about earlier with the ColoradoRepublican parties reaction to the my tweet that
you saw about No, don't votefor whoever they endorsed in it? Oh
please? Okay, so they retweetit? You did retweet it? You
did? And and so what Iwhat I said for listeners who missed when

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we were talking about this before,I said just the short version. Look,
if you're a Republican, look foremails from the Colorado Republican Party of
endorsements in con tested Republican primaries,and vote for whoever they don't endors Yep.
The Colorado GOP tweeted at me thismorning, Mandy Good you mean Dave

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Williams yeh. And I just wantto note before I read this first sentence,
I want you to understand that there'sno comma in this sentence anywhere.
Okay, it's just straight through words, Okay, read it as it's written
there, right, What about GregLopez Jackass? Do you like heuristics?
Are just hearing yourself speak? AndI said, there should be a comma
between Greg Lopez and Jackass. Absolutely, I mean, and jackass really should

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be capitalized capitalized. It wasn't.I mean, I feel like if he's
calling you a jackass and it becomesa proper name, so it has to
be capitalized. But there's red penso there's no there's no comma. So
what I wrote back was, Iknow you're not very bright, but would
you please explain just how Greg LopezJackass is in and I quote a contested

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Republican primary, which is what Iwas referring to, And I don't I
think you should talk about him thatway. That's what That's what I said.
And then I added, and Ithink you'll appreciate this. While I
don't love hearing myself speak, Imuch prefer it to hearing you speak.
Well done. That was a verymandy kind of kind of I don't answer.

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I realized that I probably seem moresurly as of late, and I
think I have been just because Ifeel like we are I'm watching so much
stuff slip through my fingers, whetherit's the state of Colorado, whether it's
the nation, whether it's our border, whether it's all of these things,
and they all feel incredibly consequential,right, I mean, do you feel

(01:41:40):
this or isn't me? It's I'mjust not suffering fools these days. Listener
text Mandy sounds like she's coming infull of pisson vinegar. I just saw
that this morning. It had irritatedme, but it gave me a great
way to remind people like, don'tdon't give people who are too ashamed of
their act actions to put their nameon it any credence. Just don't Helllijah,

(01:42:04):
Hellojah. It's all it's all narrative. It's all manipulation. Yea ready,
Yes, woman divorces ghost, adoptspossessed clown doll. Wow, guy
orders a McDonald's triple cheeseburger with everythingremoved. Okay. A woman claims her
hair stands up straight when she's withinthree miles of a rainbow. You'll soon

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be able to pay for food withyour face. Okay, I know the
face one is true. Okay,I'm pretty sure the McDonald's one is also
true because I think I've seen asocial media video about that, and I
do think that a woman could claimthat her hair stood straight up within three
miles of a rainbow. But wealso have another woman competing with the divorcing

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a ghost, wearing a possessed adoptedadopting a possessed clown doll. Well that
makes a lot more sense. Yeah, I'm gonna say number three is the
fake headline. Oh this was tough, all right. So the hair one
you think is the fake one?Dragon, what does Mandy when if she

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gets it right? Today? Puttingyour socks on before your underwear, that's
just weird. I did that todayand I felt really not intentionally. I
don't know even how does that happen? I was just that was well,
the socks were closer to me andthey just picked them up and I didn't
bend over to put them on.Did you force your wife to see you

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in that condition? So we talkedabout this already. My wife was was
not there. Okay, Well thenthat's okay. Whatever you do in your
own time, that's fine. Theactual fake headline is woman claims hair stands
straight up when she's within three milesof a rainbow. You are fake d
awesome, I am not putting onmy socks. Well, well, Mandy
today check this out today I didsock, sock, underwear, pants,

(01:43:58):
deodorant, Shoeshoe show. That's madness. I know, I don't. I
don't, I don't. I meanit is mad. You go home and
lie down think of what happened toyou. I think I will. What
are you got coming up? Realquick? We're going to talk to our
favorite voice doctor, doctor David Oppermanabout RFK Junior's voice and what could be
done to fix it. And we'realso going to talk to Mary Rooks.
She's a writer for Daily Caller.They've got a new documentary out about fake

(01:44:21):
hate crimes. Wow, it looksso good. I wi the trailers on
the blog today, So let's tryand watch it like Jesse Smilett that kind
of thing, yes, Wow,And how they just snowball out of control
almost instantly. Wow. Well,that's that's what you get when there are
particular people, kinds of people insociety who are always willing to assume that
certain people are guilty. The accusationis all that's needed. Everybody, stick

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around for the fabulous Mandy Connell Show. Talk to you tomorrow,