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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I think we got our very special guest, a guy
I've been looking forward to talking to for.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
A long long time. Mick mulvaney. By the way, Mick,
if you want to turn your camera on, you and
I can see each other. The world only gets the
world only gets the audio, no matter what.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
But in any case, it's really a pleasure to have
you here, and thanks so much for making time.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I hear a rumor you might be on vacation, so
I'm particularly grateful.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Vacation no season, all right, go on vacation during election season.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I heard that rongda. I heard that wrong. Mick mulvaney, folks,
if you don't.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Know, was a member of Congress from South Carolina, and
then he was chief of staff to Donald Trump, and
he was Director of Office and Management Office of Management
and Budget OMB under Donald Trump. And he's currently a
politics and economics contributor over at News Nation, which my
wife and I watch all the time. So it's really
(00:50):
good to talk to you, mix seriously, or someone I
wanted to talk to for a long time. I don't
want to spend all our time on the debate, but
just give me your high level thoughts on it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
She did more of what she had to do than
he did. Nobody made any big mistakes. No one lost
the election last night. No one won the election. But
if his goal was to remind people of how good
it was when he was president how bad it is now,
I give him, you know, in the middle seventy percent
on that.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
If her job, and I think it was.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Was just to look presidential, you know, as an introduction
for her to a lot.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Of the voting population.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
They don't know who she is, and she'd looked like,
you know, she was on the right stage. So to
that extent, she I think accomplished more.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Than he did. Now this media spins that as a win.
Call what you want to.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I think that nobody screwed up too badly to where
they're biting their nails this morning.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So I'm I'm close to there with you. I think
it was a little bit worse for Trump than that.
I don't think he lost the election yesterday, but I
think I think he lost what some people were perceiving
as a modest advantage in the election and brought it
down close to to a real tie.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I think that's how I would put it.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Do you think I'm way off or we just quibbling
around the edges.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well, we are quibbling around the edges, because what we're
talking about is the difference between maybe a half a point,
maybe a point, you know, maybe a couple thousand votes
in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I mean, it's it's going to be very, very tight.
How do you know it's tight? By the way, I
saw that the Harris team.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Immediately last night, you know, the media was saying she
did a great job, and she won the election, et cetera,
et cetera. They asked for another debate. Those are two things.
One is that they are now comfortable.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
With her doing this. They were all scared to death.
It was their first time.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, they're comfortable with her not sticking her foot so
deep in her mouth that she loses the election. And
this is probably more relevant and important. They've got data
that says the race is still much too close to call.
That's why you do debates, right.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But maybe they're also maybe there's one other thing. Maybe
they think that if there is another debate, she'll beat
him again. But maybe they also think that.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
They can that he will refuse a second debate and
then they can call him a chicken.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah, yes, you're right.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I can't imagine Donald Trump refusing a debate. There may
be kicking and screaming about rules et cetera, and the venue,
et cetera.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
But Donald Trump loves doing that.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And he's probably at mar Logward Bedminster this morning going,
you know what, by get another chance, I'm going to
remind people how.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Bad it was under Biden, tire her to bide and
do a better job of that.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
So he's probably chomping at the bit for another chance
at the at a debate.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Let me share with you a little bit of audio
that came from last night. This is from Kamala.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
His former chief of staff of four star general has
said he has contempt for the constitution of the United States.
His former national security advisor has said he is dangerous
and unfit. His former Secretary of Defense has said the nation,
the Republic would never survive another Trump term.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So this is a common refrain from Democrats. And I
wanted to ask you about it because you worked as
closely with Trump as probably anybody, and no him better
than anybody.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I will probably have a chance to talk to.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
What do you think is the typical perception of Trump
by people like you who worked with him, isn't as
bad as Kamala says, or are.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
They just picking the worst cases.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
It's a little bit of I'm not going to dodge
your question.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I answer it this way. The military hated him. They
just did. If you spent forty years in the military,
your life is built around discipline, which means that Donald
Trump is the exact opposite of that. And I don't
know anybody in the military I actually enjoyed working for him.
Their personalities are just so different. I don't think that
Esper was a camera in the military. He was Secretary
of Defense and camera what his career path was to
(04:41):
get there. But if your military minded that discipline that
you have to have and Donald Trump just don't gel
I get that.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
If I'm the Democrats, that's the message.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
However, what you're from, Kamala is exactly what I'm talking
about every chance I get simply because that does move
people who are undecided, people in the middle. B.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
We don't care about policy, We're voting on personality. Oh
my goodness. This former chief of staff. By the way,
it wasn't me who said that. That was a different
chief of staff, right.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Says he can't be trusted, that might sway undecided voter.
So that's definitely the message the Democrats will continue to pound.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
By the way, Mark Casper went to West Point and
did serve in combat in the Gulf War, is in
the hundred and first Airborne and then later in the
eighty second Airborn.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Excellent.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So you can tell me you don't want to answer
this question if you want. But and this is more
of a personal thing than a political thing, how do
you feel about Trump?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Oh, I'm supporting him.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I didn't support him in the primaries because I still
didn't think he was the best candidate at that time
to beat Joe Biden. But now that he's my party's nominee.
I wrote a piece just today in The Hill about
how I've got respect for Republicans who say they're not
going to vote for Trump.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I don't have any respect for publics who say they're
voted for Harris.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
That I just don't get this old chainey movement to
try and get people to vote for Kamala Harris when.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
She stands for what she stands for. It's just stunning
to me.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
But I mean, you know, Bill and I as are
in the same place, which is that we didn't support
into the primaries, but when you get to a general election,
it's a binary choice between.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
The policies of your party and the policies of the
other party. I'm you know, Kamala Harrison in.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
The recent past has stood for decriminalizing crossing the border illegally,
reparations for slavery, gun mandatory gun buyback programs, packing the
Supreme Court. Those are things that I cannot I'll do
everything I can to make sure there's somebody else in
that office with different policies. So yeah, listen, Trump, I
(06:33):
quit on January sixth. I still think January sixth is
a stain on the country's reputation. I do not worry
about Donald Trump ending the American democracy, and I don't
think the majority of voters do either.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
We're talking with Mick Mulvaney. He served as chief of
staff to Donald Trump and Director of Office and Management
and Budget.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I want to switch gears with you for a second.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Mix. So my background is financial markets, and I'm a
parent of two teenagers. And to me, the biggest political
sin and that's not a word I use easily, and
I'm not a religious person, but to me, the greatest
political sin of the past generation plus has been our
debt and deficit, and you were running a WMB and
(07:15):
I believe you share my concerns. I'm not pointing any
fingers at you. I believe you share my concerns. How
is this nation supposed to pull itself out of our
current insane levels of spending, especially if the Republican nominee
is one who really doesn't care.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Voters have to change.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I when I wrote the twenty seventeen budget for Donald Trump,
which the Wall Street Journal said it was the best
budget since Reagan, I was in the Oval Office with
a very high ranking Republican member of the Senate and
Donald Trump and myself and the guy republic Center looks
at the presence as at President. I saw Miss Mulvaney's budget.
You know, I have a lot of respect for Him's
(07:56):
great with numbers. I understand his fiscal conservatism. I understand
his interest in reducing the deficits of the debt. I
get all that. But there's a difference between you and him,
Mister President. You are elected, he's not. No one has
ever lost his job in this town for spending too
much money. They have lost it for not spending enough.
How do you feel about mister Mulvaney's budget now, and
(08:16):
my budget was finished after that. So, yeah, the republic
don't get thirty what five trillion dollars debt by one party,
sticking it to you. Both parties love spending money because
that's what the voters want.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
A Republican said that, yeah, so that's yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
But but look, but this point is well made.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
It is voters.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
They care about fiscal responsibility, but when it comes time
to vote for or against somebody who's already spent a
bunch of money, they're going.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
To vote for that person.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Again, Republicans even run on bringing home bacon to the district.
People want to be conservative with other money, other people's money.
They want to They want as much money as they
can get, and they'll vote for people who spend money either.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
They don't pay attention.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
But anybody who says, oh my goodness, gracious, I can't
believe we're thirty six tredon dolls a to go back
and look at your voting patterns, right, and then see
who you're voting for and whether or not they voted
for all those spending bills. Nine times out of ten,
the answer is going to be yes.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
They did.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
My son's middle name is Rand, which gives you a
sense of my perspective of how things operate. You do
you suspect, as I do, that things will not start
to get better as far as fiscal policy and government
spending until we are weeks away, not years away, from
massive cuts to entitlement plans and the government's saying we
(09:35):
got to raise everybody's tax rate to fifty percent.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
I'll answer it this way.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Stuff in Washington doesn't get fixed until after it's broken.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
We are really, really, really bad at being proactive.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
We are a reactive body, and the people the things
we react to are typically the voters. So until the
voters start to realize that their Social Security payments are
going to go down by twenty two percent, I think
what eight years from now, the politicians are not going
to change.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Look. I've talked to Donald Trump about it, and he
had a really good answer.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
He's like, make look, we could fix it, okay, and
everybody would hate us and we'd lose the next election.
And then then when the Democrats come in, they would.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Undo all the good things we have done and just
run up the deficits again.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And that's not wrong until both parties are committed to
solving the deficit. It's a really fraught political gamble to
try and be fiscally disciplined.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
That makes me sad. It makes me shick to my stomach.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Right when I think about the numbers, and I know
about the numbers. We're spending more on interest this year
than we are in national defense.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
But I keep going back to it.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
It's a representative government, and right now, the people in
Washington represent the people back.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Home, right And I'll add that as far as damaging
our nation's financial future, what we're dealing with in politics
is not a pendulum. It's a ratchet and it's not
going to end well for any of us. Make give
me seventeen seconds, because I like prime numbers on what
you're doing these days when you're not on News Nation.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I spent a lot of time in News Nation. I'm
advising some companies. I do a good bit of speaking overseas,
but News Nation is really what I enjoyed doing. They
came to me about a year ago, and so we
want to go right down the center. I said no,
because that's boring, and they said, we think it's boring too.
We want folks on the far left and far right
who can talk to each other like adults.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And that's what we do. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Mick Mulvaney, former Trump Chief of Staff, Director of Office
and Management of Management and Budget.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
And by the way, Mick, I don't think of you
as far right. I think of you as a strong,
principled conservative. You're too my right.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
But i have tremendous respect for you, and I'm really
grateful for your time today.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I hope we do it again.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I think I did that in thirteen seconds, so I satisfied.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Their prime number apart.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Very good, Thanks Mick, appreciate it all right.
I think we got our very special guest, a guy
I've been looking forward to talking to for.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
A long long time. Mick mulvaney. By the way, Mick,
if you want to turn your camera on, you and
I can see each other. The world only gets the
world only gets the audio, no matter what.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
But in any case, it's really a pleasure to have
you here, and thanks so much for making time.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I hear a rumor you might be on vacation, so
I'm particularly grateful.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Vacation no season, all right, go on vacation during election season.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I heard that rongda. I heard that wrong. Mick mulvaney, folks,
if you don't.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Know, was a member of Congress from South Carolina, and
then he was chief of staff to Donald Trump, and
he was Director of Office and Management Office of Management
and Budget OMB under Donald Trump. And he's currently a
politics and economics contributor over at News Nation, which my
wife and I watch all the time. So it's really
(00:50):
good to talk to you, mix seriously, or someone I
wanted to talk to for a long time. I don't
want to spend all our time on the debate, but
just give me your high level thoughts on it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
She did more of what she had to do than
he did. Nobody made any big mistakes. No one lost
the election last night. No one won the election. But
if his goal was to remind people of how good
it was when he was president how bad it is now,
I give him, you know, in the middle seventy percent
on that.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
If her job, and I think it was.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Was just to look presidential, you know, as an introduction
for her to a lot.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Of the voting population.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
They don't know who she is, and she'd looked like,
you know, she was on the right stage. So to
that extent, she I think accomplished more.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Than he did. Now this media spins that as a win.
Call what you want to.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I think that nobody screwed up too badly to where
they're biting their nails this morning.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So I'm I'm close to there with you. I think
it was a little bit worse for Trump than that.
I don't think he lost the election yesterday, but I
think I think he lost what some people were perceiving
as a modest advantage in the election and brought it
down close to to a real tie.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I think that's how I would put it.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Do you think I'm way off or we just quibbling
around the edges.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well, we are quibbling around the edges, because what we're
talking about is the difference between maybe a half a point,
maybe a point, you know, maybe a couple thousand votes
in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I mean, it's it's going to be very, very tight.
How do you know it's tight? By the way, I
saw that the Harris team.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Immediately last night, you know, the media was saying she
did a great job, and she won the election, et cetera,
et cetera. They asked for another debate. Those are two things.
One is that they are now comfortable.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
With her doing this. They were all scared to death.
It was their first time.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, they're comfortable with her not sticking her foot so
deep in her mouth that she loses the election. And
this is probably more relevant and important. They've got data
that says the race is still much too close to call.
That's why you do debates, right.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But maybe they're also maybe there's one other thing. Maybe
they think that if there is another debate, she'll beat
him again. But maybe they also think that.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
They can that he will refuse a second debate and
then they can call him a chicken.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah, yes, you're right.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I can't imagine Donald Trump refusing a debate. There may
be kicking and screaming about rules et cetera, and the venue,
et cetera.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
But Donald Trump loves doing that.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And he's probably at mar Logward Bedminster this morning going,
you know what, by get another chance, I'm going to
remind people how.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Bad it was under Biden, tire her to bide and
do a better job of that.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
So he's probably chomping at the bit for another chance
at the at a debate.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Let me share with you a little bit of audio
that came from last night. This is from Kamala.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
His former chief of staff of four star general has
said he has contempt for the constitution of the United States.
His former national security advisor has said he is dangerous
and unfit. His former Secretary of Defense has said the nation,
the Republic would never survive another Trump term.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So this is a common refrain from Democrats. And I
wanted to ask you about it because you worked as
closely with Trump as probably anybody, and no him better
than anybody.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I will probably have a chance to talk to.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
What do you think is the typical perception of Trump
by people like you who worked with him, isn't as
bad as Kamala says, or are.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
They just picking the worst cases.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
It's a little bit of I'm not going to dodge
your question.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I answer it this way. The military hated him. They
just did. If you spent forty years in the military,
your life is built around discipline, which means that Donald
Trump is the exact opposite of that. And I don't
know anybody in the military I actually enjoyed working for him.
Their personalities are just so different. I don't think that
Esper was a camera in the military. He was Secretary
of Defense and camera what his career path was to
(04:41):
get there. But if your military minded that discipline that
you have to have and Donald Trump just don't gel
I get that.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
If I'm the Democrats, that's the message.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
However, what you're from, Kamala is exactly what I'm talking
about every chance I get simply because that does move
people who are undecided, people in the middle. B.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
We don't care about policy, We're voting on personality. Oh
my goodness. This former chief of staff. By the way,
it wasn't me who said that. That was a different
chief of staff, right.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Says he can't be trusted, that might sway undecided voter.
So that's definitely the message the Democrats will continue to pound.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
By the way, Mark Casper went to West Point and
did serve in combat in the Gulf War, is in
the hundred and first Airborne and then later in the
eighty second Airborn.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Excellent.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So you can tell me you don't want to answer
this question if you want. But and this is more
of a personal thing than a political thing, how do
you feel about Trump?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Oh, I'm supporting him.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I didn't support him in the primaries because I still
didn't think he was the best candidate at that time
to beat Joe Biden. But now that he's my party's nominee.
I wrote a piece just today in The Hill about
how I've got respect for Republicans who say they're not
going to vote for Trump.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I don't have any respect for publics who say they're
voted for Harris.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
That I just don't get this old chainey movement to
try and get people to vote for Kamala Harris when.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
She stands for what she stands for. It's just stunning
to me.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
But I mean, you know, Bill and I as are
in the same place, which is that we didn't support
into the primaries, but when you get to a general election,
it's a binary choice between.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
The policies of your party and the policies of the
other party. I'm you know, Kamala Harrison in.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
The recent past has stood for decriminalizing crossing the border illegally,
reparations for slavery, gun mandatory gun buyback programs, packing the
Supreme Court. Those are things that I cannot I'll do
everything I can to make sure there's somebody else in
that office with different policies. So yeah, listen, Trump, I
(06:33):
quit on January sixth. I still think January sixth is
a stain on the country's reputation. I do not worry
about Donald Trump ending the American democracy, and I don't
think the majority of voters do either.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
We're talking with Mick Mulvaney. He served as chief of
staff to Donald Trump and Director of Office and Management
and Budget.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I want to switch gears with you for a second.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Mix. So my background is financial markets, and I'm a
parent of two teenagers. And to me, the biggest political
sin and that's not a word I use easily, and
I'm not a religious person, but to me, the greatest
political sin of the past generation plus has been our
debt and deficit, and you were running a WMB and
(07:15):
I believe you share my concerns. I'm not pointing any
fingers at you. I believe you share my concerns. How
is this nation supposed to pull itself out of our
current insane levels of spending, especially if the Republican nominee
is one who really doesn't care.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Voters have to change.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I when I wrote the twenty seventeen budget for Donald Trump,
which the Wall Street Journal said it was the best
budget since Reagan, I was in the Oval Office with
a very high ranking Republican member of the Senate and
Donald Trump and myself and the guy republic Center looks
at the presence as at President. I saw Miss Mulvaney's budget.
You know, I have a lot of respect for Him's
(07:56):
great with numbers. I understand his fiscal conservatism. I understand
his interest in reducing the deficits of the debt. I
get all that. But there's a difference between you and him,
Mister President. You are elected, he's not. No one has
ever lost his job in this town for spending too
much money. They have lost it for not spending enough.
How do you feel about mister Mulvaney's budget now, and
(08:16):
my budget was finished after that. So, yeah, the republic
don't get thirty what five trillion dollars debt by one party,
sticking it to you. Both parties love spending money because
that's what the voters want.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
A Republican said that, yeah, so that's yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
But but look, but this point is well made.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
It is voters.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
They care about fiscal responsibility, but when it comes time
to vote for or against somebody who's already spent a
bunch of money, they're going.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
To vote for that person.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Again, Republicans even run on bringing home bacon to the district.
People want to be conservative with other money, other people's money.
They want to They want as much money as they
can get, and they'll vote for people who spend money either.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
They don't pay attention.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
But anybody who says, oh my goodness, gracious, I can't
believe we're thirty six tredon dolls a to go back
and look at your voting patterns, right, and then see
who you're voting for and whether or not they voted
for all those spending bills. Nine times out of ten,
the answer is going to be yes.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
They did.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
My son's middle name is Rand, which gives you a
sense of my perspective of how things operate. You do
you suspect, as I do, that things will not start
to get better as far as fiscal policy and government
spending until we are weeks away, not years away, from
massive cuts to entitlement plans and the government's saying we
(09:35):
got to raise everybody's tax rate to fifty percent.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
I'll answer it this way.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Stuff in Washington doesn't get fixed until after it's broken.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
We are really, really, really bad at being proactive.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
We are a reactive body, and the people the things
we react to are typically the voters. So until the
voters start to realize that their Social Security payments are
going to go down by twenty two percent, I think
what eight years from now, the politicians are not going
to change.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Look. I've talked to Donald Trump about it, and he
had a really good answer.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
He's like, make look, we could fix it, okay, and
everybody would hate us and we'd lose the next election.
And then then when the Democrats come in, they would.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Undo all the good things we have done and just
run up the deficits again.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And that's not wrong until both parties are committed to
solving the deficit. It's a really fraught political gamble to
try and be fiscally disciplined.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
That makes me sad. It makes me shick to my stomach.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Right when I think about the numbers, and I know
about the numbers. We're spending more on interest this year
than we are in national defense.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
But I keep going back to it.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
It's a representative government, and right now, the people in
Washington represent the people back.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Home, right And I'll add that as far as damaging
our nation's financial future, what we're dealing with in politics
is not a pendulum. It's a ratchet and it's not
going to end well for any of us. Make give
me seventeen seconds, because I like prime numbers on what
you're doing these days when you're not on News Nation.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I spent a lot of time in News Nation. I'm
advising some companies. I do a good bit of speaking overseas,
but News Nation is really what I enjoyed doing. They
came to me about a year ago, and so we
want to go right down the center. I said no,
because that's boring, and they said, we think it's boring too.
We want folks on the far left and far right
who can talk to each other like adults.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And that's what we do. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Mick Mulvaney, former Trump Chief of Staff, Director of Office
and Management of Management and Budget.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
And by the way, Mick, I don't think of you
as far right. I think of you as a strong,
principled conservative. You're too my right.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
But i have tremendous respect for you, and I'm really
grateful for your time today.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I hope we do it again.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I think I did that in thirteen seconds, so I satisfied.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Their prime number apart.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Very good, Thanks Mick, appreciate it all right.
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