9-18-24 - *FULL SHOW* Jimmy Sengenberger Filling In For Ross with Robert Chernin and Kristen Fry

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Great to be with you on KOA after something I
found completely remarkable happened yesterday. We just heard it mentioned
in the news as well, and that was I like
how the Wall Street Journal editorial board put it in
their headline, Hezbollah gets a pager message. So, as we

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know now, apparently the Masad, the Israeli intelligence organization, the
reports are, managed to intercept a shipment of pagers. Yes,
we are back back to the eighties and nineties folks
with pagers, and apparently they did this because they were worried.
Hezbola terrorists were worried about interception communications being intercepted by Israel,

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so instead they switched to pagers and end up having
some terrorist lives intercepted instead. And you have what twenty
seven hundred plus people injured, including the Iranian ambassador and
then I think the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon one of

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the people who had their pagers explode. I mean, this
is remarkable. Where technology is what could happen? So I
guess the total is not twenty seven hundred is at
this point it's more than four thousand were injured and
eleven killed according to Lebanon, when the pagers that exploded

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all about the same time if they were on switched
on and getting a signal that happened to them. And
it does seem pretty clear it is Israeli and sounds
like it is the massade that was behind it. And look, Israel,
as the journal put it, has ample cause to target
his blaff fighters who have conducted a daily bombing campaign

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against Israel from Lebanon. They fired more than eight thousand
rockets missiles at Israel since October seventh, forcing some sixty
thousand Israelis from their homes for nearly a year. And
of course the bombing has widened recently to other Israeli cities,
and Israel Is just supposed to take that lying down

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and not retaliate. They found a creative way and effective
way to strike at thousands of terrorists. They knew that
these pagers were for Hisbolah and so they acted accordingly,
and it revealed how close and we already knew this,

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but it most especially revealed how close Iran is to Hezbolah,
because why else would the Iranian ambassador end up with
one of these pagers if not because of that very
close relationship. This is nothing new. We've always known this,

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but it helps to crystallize that reality. Now, the Biden
administration has warned against escalation by Israel in Lebanon. It's
a very risky endeavor for them to undertake this. But again,
quoting the Wall Street Journal editorial, Israel can't afford to

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let a terrorist militia backed by Iran and operating next
door bomb its territory with impunity. The pager attack was discriminating,
exploding in the hands and pockets of Hesbelack combatants. In
the best case, the pager operation will persuade Hesbela leaders
that their lives are at considerable risk. If a broader

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war breaks out. They can't say they didn't get the message.
Nice way to end the peace. This shows what technology
Elogy can bring and do nowadays, and it is remarkable.
This was an expansive intelligence operation to be able to

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get into thousands of pagers at once, and to even
know that they're switching to pagers instead of cell phones
for this kind of communication. By the way, the pagers,
as I understand it, come from a manufacturer in Taiwan,
which I found rather interesting. Gold Apollo is the company,

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and most of them were the ap nine twenty four
model of the company, although there are a few others.
I just I'm shocked that there are a lot of
models of pagers still at this point. I thought pagers
sort of just you know, went the way of the
Dodo bird. But it doesn't seem like that's the case.
They're still around. So if you are retro, if you

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want to go back and live the pager days, go ahead,
get a page. You just make sure to check the
system first and make sure that it isn't isn't rigged
in any way. But for real, this is significant in
terms of its impact and the message that it sends. Now.

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It is striking though when you have did hostages in
Israel and Gaza and the vice president want to be
for the United States, Tim Walls can't even answer, won't
answer a question, but thanks everybody, simple as that. Thanks everybody,

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not even an answer, not a well, I'm very sympathetic.
I'm sorry. This is tragic. It's a very sad situation.
I hope that we can get the other hostages free.
And that also is a reminder that Israel is in
a multi front war from Hamas and from has Bolah
and of course Iran pulling the strings behind the scenes

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and this pager in the hands of an ambassador even
more crystallizing it than before. Lots there, lots going on,
and a lot of reasons, by the way, for America
to continue to show support for the Jewish State of Israel.
When we come back, I will be joined by Robert Chernan.

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He is the chairman of Israel Appreciation Day, which is
happening today. We're going to talk about this very important event,
how you can watch it, and why the relationship between
the United States and Israel is so critical. That's up
on the other side. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger Fillion for Roskominsky
right here on KOA. By the way, I missed this

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a couple listeners texting in five sixty six nine zero
is the number that now thousands of Hezbollah's handheld radios
are exploding in a second wave of remote deadening to
attacks on terrorists with Hazbollah. And apparently the radios came
from Taiwan, as I mentioned with regards to the pagers,

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but also passed through a shell company in Hungary. Getting
more and more interesting. Speaking of Israel, speaking of the
Middle East, one of our most crucial allies is Israel
and we must stand strong, in my view, in support
of Israel for a variety of reasons. And to talk
about this and Israel Appreciation Day, which is today, I'm

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pleased to be joined by Robert Schernan. He is the
chairman of Israel Appreciation Day. And again it's happening today,
it's live streaming, it's going on, sir, Welcome to KOA.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Good morning, Jimmy, how are you.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
I'm doing well, my friend. I love this. A friend
of mine told me about Israel Appreciation Day a few
weeks back. Wanted to have you on about it because
to me, this is so critical. In fact, it's one
of the most seminal issues of our time at this
very moment, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
You know, it really is, and it really when you
think about it, Jimmy, it's not just about Israel, and
it's not even just about America number one. Beyond being
just the Jewish state, beyond being a US ally, our
strategic US ally in the Middle East, there are so
many things that Israel contributes to the world that people,
at least in this country are not aware of. So

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the mission here really is to try to educate in
an entertaining platform, of course, because these days people need
to be educated and entertained. But rule of law, freedom
of religion, freedom of press, human rights, women rights, democracy,
all the things the medical and technological advances that Israel
contributes to the world that the people don't know about.

(08:44):
And when it comes right down to it, Jimmy, Israeli
values are American values, and what's going on in the
Middle East and even what I call the pro Hamas
lobby in this country. It's not just about Israel or
even the Jews, it's about Western values.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Why is there so much of a loud voice of those,
as you say, Prohomas forces and the Jew hatred in
our country. That's one thing that has just been boggling
my mind. I can't understand it.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Well, how much time do you have on your show,
because I think it's a deeper answer. But the short
answer is, I think it's always been there. The social
justice movements have always been antisemitic. It's just it wasn't
really out in the open. And I think we've taken
our eye off the ball. Don't forget. We've seated education,
We've seated the media, we have seated the entertainment industry
to sort of the progressive left over the years. And

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again that's why the vanguard of this fight is on
college campuses, right. But if you've got deck to America,
I mean, Americans can disagree and that's okay. We used
to agree on the goals. Now we disagree on the
goals and how to get there. So you're seeing this
on the American campuses. The other side is well organized
and well financed. I mean it's not without reason that

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they all the tents that popped up on the college
campuses in the spring all looked the same, like they
bought them from the same camping store. So they're organized.
And it's this is our chance, it Israel Appreciation Day,
to come together in a non partisan, interfaith and grassroots
way to try to fight back, to change the narrative,
and to arm these students with the information and the

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country really as they're going to need to understand why
Israeli so seminally important to this country. And it's not
for anti Semitism, it's more.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Than it's a bigger issue.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Robert Jernan. One thing you mentioned non partisan, that that's
exactly what American support for Israel and our relationship that
has stood the test of time, how how it should be?
Talk to us a little bit about that. What exactly
is going on with Israel Appreciation Day today. Some of
the speakers that show this isn't a part is an
issue and certainly shouldn't be. And where can folks watch it?

Speaker 3 (10:55):
They can watch it at Israel Appreciation Day dot com.
They'll they'll get all the information there. It is a
non partisan event. It was so important that it's non
partisan because there are things that need to trans transcend politics.
So we have Senator we have Richie Tory, Representative Richietias,
we have Marco Rubio, we have Senator Corey Booker, we

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have Armstrong Williams. We have Hussein Mansour, we have Samantha
Edis from Hollywood, Rebecca de Morney, we have Melissa Mayo,
we have the Deputy Mayor of Jerusalem, of Fleur Nahoum.
And it cuts across the spectrum. And that's the important
thing is this event is not about Washington, d C.

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Talking to the country. This is about the country talking
to Washington, d C. And one of the things that
has been so heartwarming is the groundswallow of support in
this country that does exist for Israel and has no
meaningful way on a non partisan basis to express itself
and to sort of come together, and that's really Israel.
This is our first Inargur event. This is going to

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be an every year thing and then we're going to
work with college campuses and synagogues and churches and other
organizations to get this information out there. So for your listeners,
go to Israel Appreciation Day dot com. It's a virtual event.
It's going to be you can see it online. You
can it's going to be around the world. It's going
to have multiple languages.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
It's just it's really a powerful event.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
And I am so thankful for the volunteers. This is
a totally volunteer effort. All the speakers have volunteered their
efforts because of their love of Israel. So I'm thankful
to the speakers program. I'm thankful to my team who
has come together. It has been just an incredible experience
to bring this to the American public.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
The final question for you, really quick. You said speaking
from Israel, or rather from the American people to our
elected officials about Israel. Why is that so important in
this moment? Real quick?

Speaker 3 (12:52):
The reason it's so important is because the leaders in
DC need to know where America stands on the issues.
So it's so important that people get involved and have
the information and reach out to their representative. So really
it's the groundswell of grassroots of the country that needs
to make sure that the leaders are standing strong with Israel.

(13:13):
I mean, let's look at it this way, right, the
hostages that were murdered brutally by Hamas a few weeks ago,
all of a sudden, the media says and even some
in DC were saying that it was Israel's fault. How
is that possible? Right, So it's the country needs to
speak up and say this is unacceptable to our political leaders.

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And that's what this event is really trying to do.
Is it's really a grassroots outreach aimed at Washington, DC,
so they know what the country wants and they know
that the country will have their back if they if
they do the right thing, but if not, you know,
elections have consequences.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Very well, put Robert churn In of Israel Appreciation Day,
the chairman, thank you so much for your time, really
appreciating again the website Israel Appreciation Day dot correct.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
That's correct, Jammy, thank you for having us. I appreciate it, Thank.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
You, sir, really appreciate it as well. A very important day,
Israel Appreciation Day is today Israel Appreciation Day dot com.
Now it's time to talk with Kurt Cambier of Centennial
Capital Partners. Kurt, good morning, How are you.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
I'm fantastic. How are you?

Speaker 1 (14:22):
I am doing very well. So much going on right now?
Where are we beginning today? What's the focus this morning?

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Well, the city is kind of an important day because
there are important time periods in markets, and those are
you have inflection points, in other words, when the focus
of the market begins to change, and inflection points can
be bad or good. In this particular time period, the
signaling and the actual act of lowering interest rates is
an inflection point for certain types of assets. And well,

(14:52):
I can't talk specifically about companies that can talk broadly
about assets. So inflection points and lower interst rates tend
to be very good for things like small cap stocks.
And if you think about the fact that we are
underbuilt about a million and a half homes a year
in this country for about a decade, lower interest rates
and the booming millennial population signal a nice opportunity and

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home building and those types of positions. And also if
you look at it's been a lot of pressure on
commercial real estate, and not so much of commercial real
estate is going to necessarily be a place to hold,
but maybe regional banks will have less pressure, and some
of those have been really beat up. So inflectioning points
offer opportunities to redirect money in an area that might

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benefit from the change.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
And with the FED meeting, that really hits home in
this point, doesn't.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
It, Yes, sure does, And it's you know, the FED,
they're way too restricted right now. I have in for
some time and I've been calling for them to cut
the last couple of meetings, and I think that they
used to me lighting indicators, so I think they want
to cut fifty basis points. I'm not sure they'll love
the guts to do it, just because they'll want to
seem political. So let's do twenty five. But a lot

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of people, include some of the big banks, and they'll
be one to one and a quarter percent cuts by
the end of the year.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
His inflection points very important to watch, especially at pivotal
meeting moments from the FED and similar situations. Folks, if
you'd like to get in touch with Kurt. Get started
at Kcambier dot com. That's k C A M B
I E R dot com, or by phone, Kurt.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
You've got three oh three two seven one one zero
six seven. Give us a call. We'd love to chat.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Thank you, Kurt, have a great morning, you too.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
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Speaker 1 (16:55):
Look the violence that we are seeing in politics, or
the threats of violence right now, let's be clear about something.
They are unacceptable and they are also out of step,
completely and utterly with what this country is about, our
small r republican principles that we as a nation were

(17:18):
founded on with the US Constitution. Yesterday just so happened
to be Constitution Day. I love Constitution Day because it
is the celebration of the signing of the most seminal,
most significant governing document in the history of mankind, the

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US Constitution. I for seven years actually ran an educational nonprofit.
It was called the Liberty Day Institute that helped educate
fifth graders about the US Constitution and American government. I
myself would even go to fifth grade classes and speak
to kids about the Constitution. We'd hand out Constitution booklets
and distribute them all across the country and get volunteers, elected, officials, attorneys,

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you name it, to go into fifth grade classes and
talk about the Constitution and help teachers educate them as
they first learned about the document, America's founding, and of
course the Declaration of Independence as well. And I miss
those days. We folded in twenty twenty amid the time
of COVID. But the lessons to me always have just

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struck a chord, especially given that engagement of teaching kids,
working with kids about the founding of our country. And
I was reflecting in my column for the Denver Gazette.
I write Tuesdays and Fridays for the Denver Gazette as
investigative columnists, and I wrote a bit more of a
reflective piece yesterday entitled we are all Stewards of the Constitution,

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And a few things really stood out to me to
bring out this piece, and that was just a reflection
on what happened this weekend on Sunday, in the second
attempted assassination of Donald Trump. Not since Gerald Ford in

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nineteen seventy five as a president or presidential candidate survived
two assassination attempts until now, when, of course, Ryan Wesley
Ralth allegedly aimed a rifle through the fence at the
former president's golf course. Thankfully agents spotted him. They were
able to track him down act swiftly, particularly with help

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from an American who was paying attention and called in
the details and said, hey, I got the license plate
to This guy was really suspicious, and they were able
to capture Ralth, who is now being held and charged
with weapons violations. The FBI viewing this as an assassination attempt.

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AK four reportedly involved. It's shocking, especially when you see
some of his motivations. On April twenty second of this year,
Ralph tweeted in all caps, democracy is on the ballot
and we cannot lose. We cannot afford to fail. The

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world is counting on us to show the way. He
urged Biden to call his campaign quote keep America democratic
and free, contrasting that with Trump's massa make American slaves
again master and He's reportedly donated to a number of

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Democrat and progressive candidates and causes for the past five
years now. He also has a very strong passion, I
guess for the issue of Ukraine and supposedly was trying
to recruit fighters to go help support, although the Ukrainian
govern and has distanced themselves and said no, he's not

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didn't propose anything, we wanted to do anything with have
anything to do with now, this guy's actions and his
history suggest this desire, this extreme desire to save democracy,
even if that means taking it upon himself to do it,
to take the initiative and act unilaterally. This is a

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dangerous moment, a signal of a dangerous moment, a real
inflection point for American society as we see more of
these threats. In fact, and we just heard it in
the news. This is from our partners at Fox thirty one.
An investigation has been launched into a suspicious package addressed

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to the Colorado Secretary of State's office that was intercepted
at a state mail facility. The package appears to have
contained a white powder and at a return address to
the US Trader Elimination Army. The powder appears harmless according
to the preliminary investigation, and according to the Colorado Secretary

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of State's office, the package appears similar to others that
were sent to several secretaries of State around the US,
including Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, Tennessee, Wyoming, Oklahoma, and Massachusetts. Look,
there is no place for this, these kinds of violent
threats and violent actions in American politics. It is patently

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unacceptable to engage in anything of the sort, and that
should be a given, and for most people it is.
But some of the elements of the rhetoric that we
have seen, such as save democracy, which is what it's about. Oh, yes,
we have to prevent Donald Trump from being elected to
save democracy. Yet that narrative has become so pervasive that

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we now saw two people from two different generations, from
these two assassination attempts, resort to political violence against Trump
or seek to in the latter case. But the reality
is that a singular political figure is not a real

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threat in and of themselves to American society. What is
the bigger threat, the bigger problem that we are facing
is the erosion of the I mentioned it before. Small
are Republican principles that have kept our nation steady for
nearly two and a half centuries. You realize that in

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two years it's going to be oh gosh, what is
it called again? I forget the term, but it'll be
the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the founding of
the United States of America, which is pretty remarkable to
think about. Those principles that have heard that have kept

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the study include individual rights, limited government, the rule of law,
civil discourse, checks and balances. Yet, rather than reinforcing these
core tenants of American governments and American society, they're being
chipped away by leaders and movements claiming to fight for
the very system that they undermine. So when we constantly

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hear stop Trump to save democracy, what does that mean?
What are the implications of that? What message does that
actually send? So this was a question that was essentially
posed by Peter Deucey on Vice President Democratic nominee Kamala Harris.

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Or rather than that is every one that's Karine Jean Pierre,
this is Kamala Harris talking about the power of at
public trust.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
When you have these positions.

Speaker 6 (25:03):
When you have that kind of microphone in front of you,
you really ought to understand at a very deep level
how much your words have meaning. When you are bestowed
with a microphone that is that big, there is a
profound responsibility that comes with that. It is an extension

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of what should not be lost in this moment, This
concept of the public trust.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Sure, I would agree with that, and I would say,
quite frankly that the rhetoric of democracy is literally hanging
in the balance in this election kind of undermines that
position because it is so excessive that it's like, Okay,
what can I do as a person to stop the
end of democracy from happening. It's an all cast proposition,

(25:54):
isn't it? When you're talking about literally saving democracy and
drilling at home over and over again. Here's the clip
with Peter Doocy. It's with care Joan Yeah, the White
House Press Secretary, on this question of the threat of democracy,
the threat of Trump and political virons.

Speaker 7 (26:13):
There's been only two days since somebody allegedly tried to
kill Donald Trump again, and you're here at the podium
in the White House briefing room calling him a threat.
How many more assassination attempts on Donald Trump until the
president and the vice president and you pick a different
word to describe Trump other than threat.

Speaker 8 (26:37):
Peter, if anything from this administration, I actually completely disagree
with the premise of your question.

Speaker 9 (26:47):
The question that you're asking.

Speaker 8 (26:49):
It is also incredibly dangerous in the way that you're
asking it, because American people are watching.

Speaker 9 (26:56):
And to say that, to say that from the.

Speaker 10 (26:59):
Administration who has consistently condemned political violence, from an administration
where the President called the former president and was thankful,
grateful that he was okay, from an administration who has
called out January sixth, called out the attack to Paul Pelosi.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Okay, look, what in the world is she talking about?
This question was it's been you can't agree.

Speaker 7 (27:25):
With the play two days since somebody allegedly tried to
kill Donald Trump again, and you're here at the podium
in the White House briefing room calling him a threat.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
How many more assassination attempts on Donald Trump.

Speaker 7 (27:39):
Until the president and the vice president and you pick
a different word to describe Trump other than threat.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
That I disagree with the premise. That's a dangerous question.
How dare you? Peter Doosey asked that dangerous question.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Now.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
In fact, I would say it is an entirely reasonable question,
an entirely appropriate question. Listener texts coming in on the
KOA common Spirit health text line at five six six
nine zero, Keep them coming. My kids go to a
wonderful school, but very liberal. I am too afraid to

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put a Trump bumper sticker on my car. Wow, that
certainly says a lot. But I can understand why you
would be ambivalent about that, And that's hard to say.
You should be able to feel comfortable having a campaign
slogan for major candidate for president on your car and
not feel like you can't do that because of your

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kids' school or whatever else. Another text I agree with you, hulheartedly.
Problem is that there are people that the people who
are committing these atrocities are not very likely listening to
right leaning radio. The problem is them, not the American people.
I think I understand what you're saying. Who knows when

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it comes to some of the right wing stuff, like
I would surmise the election official packages are what they're
listening to. I would say, I do think that President
Trump should clearly and unequivocally say these packages going out
to secretaries of state are unacceptable. There's no place for that.

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Don't do it, but make that abundantly clear. I would
like to hear that from Trump now, listener. Text a
little more contrarian here. Trump is called Harris a fascist
over and over. He's also claimed that if the Dems win,
you won't have a country anymore. So, yes, there are
a couple of elements there that I can see where
you are saying as far as a comparison. But here's

(29:45):
the thing Democrats are consistently calling, over and over again
Trump a fascist. Trump will occasionally bring that word to
describe Harris, and I don't think that's appropriate in our politics.
I don't think Trump should use it, Biden, anybody should
use the term fascists to describe an American candidate for

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the presidency, just plain and simple. But in terms of
you won't have a country anymore, that's something that is
said occasionally. It rallies by Trump, and it is a
bit dramatic. Remember this is a guy who is known
for having the flair for the dramatics. But his point,
I think is less pronounced and less reiterated than what

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we see with Save Democracy, because what he's talking about
is you need to get out and make a difference
so that your country will stay the way that you
have envisioned it. That's really what he's talking about. You
won't have a country anymore, you won't see it the
way that you have envisioned it. But it's not something
that has drilled home ad nauseum from everybody and their

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uncle on the Republican side, saying that kind of language
like saved democracy, that has a real visceral connection with
so many people. Now, that does not excuse some of
the rhetoric from the from Trump, from Harris, from anybody.
That's not appropriate. Fair enough, You can make that point,

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and there are a hell of a lot of things
that Donald Trump says that he should not say. But
I don't think that this notion of save democracy is
comparable to those particular things, at least that's my take.
Five six sixty nine zero is our text line. If
you want to join in to the festivities, well, folks,

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we are all stewards of the Constitution. We all have
a duty to, as Ben Franklin put it, keep the republic,
not undermine it. To keep the republic, that means we
can't abandon civil discourse for partisan rancorps, whether you are
Kamala Harris or Donald Trump, because that will just leave democracy,

(31:57):
leave our small our republic inats. We can't justify political
violence or provide a justification for political violence in the
so called battle for democracy. Violence erodes the very concepts
that it is intended to protect. And I love this

(32:17):
quote from James Madison, father of the Constitution or President
of the United States. What is government itself but the
greatest of all reflections on human nature. If men were angels,
no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men,
neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.

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Very well said from Federalist number fifty one, reminding us
why we have government, and then why that government has
checks and balances. Now, we need to get a handle
on things in the rhetoric. Otherwise it might be as
though an asteroid hit the United States and we lost everything. Well,

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I don't think we're gonna have an asteroid hit in
the United States, but we do have a major asteroid
passing by our planet Earth. This from Foxnews dot Com.
NASA is monitoring a potentially hazardous asteroid that is moving
past Earth. As of yesterday, NASA saying to Fox News

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Digital that the rocky object, which had been named twenty
twenty four to N, is three hundred and fifty meters
long by one hundred and eighty meters wide, which is
roughly eleven to fifty feet by five hundred ninety feet
larger than previous estimates. Here's the point. They've deemed this
asteroid stadium sized and reported it was six hundred and

(33:50):
twenty one thousand miles away from Earth as of Tuesday morning,
considered relatively close asteroid size. Coming this close to Earth
only happens every five to ten years, and the last
time that an asteroid entered Earth's atmosphere was in Russia

(34:14):
in twenty thirteen. Now, this asteroid, this stadium size asteroid,
an asteroid like this has not hit Earth since prehistoric times. Wow,
that's a massive asteroid. Hasn't hit Earth since prehistoric times.

(34:35):
Looks like it's close enough to Earth to be deemed
potentially hazardous. But there's no chance. Oh good, there's no
chance that it will hit Earth because it would need
to be within a couple hundred miles for it to
be of a concern. NASA engineer Davide Fernocia said quote.

(35:01):
We actually check about the possibility of collision, not just
for the immediate future, but also for the next one
hundred years, and there is no possibility of collision in
the next hundred years. Armageddon is not heading our way
for at least a century. We can all take a

(35:22):
deep breath. But isn't it fascinating? Massive asteroid the size
of a stadium hurtling toward Earth But not it's going
to miss us, thankfully. But it is really fascinating, dynamic,
and a fascinating story. I've just riveted by space the
Final Frontier before I get into Star trek Land. Let's

(35:47):
run too a break. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger, filling in for Roskiminski.
Our number one is under wraps now we've got two
more up ahead. Keep it right here on KOA. Jimmy
Sangenberger in for Roskiminski today, tomorrow and Friday. And by
the way, if you want to keep in touch with
yours truly twenty four seven three sixty five follow my

(36:07):
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I've got a website Jimmy Sangenburger dot com. Keep in mind,
there's no A I or E in Sangenburger or you
in Sanginburg what I say or what the mean? Okay,

(36:28):
I get it distracted because Dragon's here now and he
knows exactly what I'm going to say. You throw me off, man,
Let's start this over again. There's no A I or
you in Segenberger. There are ease. In fact, it's all
ease all the time. Once you know that Sangenburger is easy,
Thank you, Dragon. You can't throw me off like that.

Speaker 11 (36:50):
Man.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Come on, I don't know. You just had that goofy
smile right there. But it's uh, that's what distracted me.
That's all it is. I'm just I'm throwing it all
onto you. Good morning, brother, How are you so I
have to ask you about something? I look, I know
when you sign up to go to concerts, all kinds

(37:11):
of things, you may different events, festivities that you might
go to. You'll sign something amusement parks and you know,
maybe you give up your right to sue and instead
it's arbitration where okay, we're going to have these private,
this private arbitration company handle your dispute, and that's how

(37:34):
we're going to address it instead of allowing you to
go into court. But I would not normally think of
this in the context of a restaurant. You sign up
for a reservation for this restaurant, and guess what that means.
You sign away your right to sue if something happens. Instead,

(37:55):
it's arbitration only. Well, this is from the Denver gazz
dinfgasette dot com. When you use the restaurant's service at
Casa Benita, use the restaurant services and agree to the
terms of service in setting up a reservation, because they've
now opened up the reservation system, you give up your

(38:17):
rights to have any legal claim heard by a judge
or a jury in a public court. Instead, your case
would be handled privately by arbitration. The person responsible for
making the decision on this case wouldn't be a jury
or judge, but a person who could be hired by

(38:39):
Casa Bonita all caps. This is what it says in
section fourteen of the terms of service. You are giving
up the right to litigate a dispute and court before
a judge or jury. I find that rather strained, especially

(39:01):
dragon when this is a company that since they opened
not too long ago, reopened under new leadership of the
guys that created South Park. You couldn't even sign up
for reservations. You had to get on the waiting list,
and then the much heralded day would come. You won
the lottery, you got the golden ticket like Charlie, and

(39:23):
you're going up to the chocolate factory, but you're going
to Casabanita with your family because you got the email
letting you know, hey, you're up. I just feel like
this the concept of a restaurant like Casabanita family memories, traditions,
people have. So many people have fond memories and thoughts

(39:43):
of this place, and then you turn it into an
exclusive club that now we're finally opening up to reservations
in advance, but read the fine print. It's arbitration. If
something happens, you are not able to sue. I feel
like I I wrote this last year when the news
about how Casabanita was going to be operating went out,

(40:05):
that Casabanita has lost its family spirit dragon and I don't.
I've only been there once. I don't have the fond
you know, childhood memory prior to the reopening that was
in twenty nineteen that I went, and it was a
cool place. But I look at it as a restaurant
that has this family dynamic and seems to me they've

(40:27):
lost their family spirit.

Speaker 12 (40:28):
I wonder if it has anything to do with like
crowd size, because we brought up earlier that you know,
if you're going to a concert, or if you're going
to a sporting event, or if you're going to an
amusement park, you kind of do the same thing when
you purchase those tickets. So I wonder if it has
anything to do with the crowd size, because Casabanita is
a massive place and you got so many people there,
so maybe they're just trying to cya with the amount

(40:50):
of people that are there.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Well, I don't think that this is something that has
happened in the past, so it's a new thing, especially
since reservations like this are new and that you can
can't just walk in. So I don't know, I mean,
that could be possible. I think maybe they're just covering
all their legal bases. What I found an interesting comparison
that they made in this article was that this story

(41:13):
had you heard about Disney. Attorneys for Disney attempted to
get a wrongful death lawsuit thrown out of court after
a man sued the company because his wife had died
of an allergic reaction at Walt Disney World, and Disney
attorneys cited their arbitration clause in the Disney Plus terms

(41:36):
of service. Of course, bad publicity happened in Disney attorney's
backtracked because how in the world could Disney, the wholesome
company of movies and TV shows for kids, How could
they be so darned cruel. They make Scrooge McDuck look
super sweet and caring and generous.

Speaker 12 (41:56):
I said, it makes them look incredibly stupid because how
many billions of dollars that they lost on Star Wars alone.
So you know what, you can afford to pay the woman,
pay the guy, you know enough to set him up
for life and not have to worry about this lawsuit.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah, I think that's very, very true. But it's fascinating
to see the companies use arbitration even more trying to
avoid and you can understand the legal costs, the bad publicity,
all of that. Of course, you want to get that
out of court as best you can, cosa Benita seems
a little weasily to me in this particular respect, but

(42:30):
not as weasily as Disney saying you attended our theme park,
there was an allergic reaction that caused the death of
your wife, and we want to use the terms of
service from this streaming company or the streaming platform that
you use to prevent you from bringing a lossuit. That's
just Ludicrousnes, That's a bit of a stretch. It takes

(42:51):
a lot for Disney to finally learn. For example, we've
been over this not long ago. Star Wars the accolade.
They brought out this terrible show. I'm never going to
get off this horse, this terrible show that was a
blot upon Star Wars. It failed. Rotten Tomatoes has it performing.

(43:11):
I think worse than the nineteen seventy eight Star Wars
Christmas Special, which is saying something as far as the
fans and their impressions.

Speaker 12 (43:23):
Did you even finish the series? I did, Yeah, we couldn't.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
I watched it every time it debuted, like I didn't
wait until the next day. I watched it that day
to make because that's just how I am. I will
consume the worst Star Wars content just to be able
to see what's going on and pay attention and follow along.
But now they're pulling back at Disney on their productions
because of the flops that they have seen. They are

(43:50):
doing cutting back on more TV shows. They didn't renew
The Acolyte for a second season, which was very smart.
You don't want to double down on dumb, so you
move past that at least a little bit. And they're
moving more into the film space, which is what Star
Wars is supposed to be. And so you just have
a few TV shows that are in the works right now.

(44:12):
I'm really looking forward to Star Wars hand or next year.
But what this tells me is whether it's Disney with
the arbitration piece or it is Disney with the productions
from Star Wars, is that they have to just keep
failing or doing things wrong, very badly and very publicly,
before they finally get the message and saying you know what, guys,

(44:36):
let's pull back a little bit. Maybe this isn't the
right way for us to go. And I hope Cassabanita
sort of takes that tack a little more too. I mean,
I get it. It is super popular, especially with all
the media attention that has gone on bringing back Caussebanita,
the new ownership, all of that, but still it just

(44:57):
seems a little bit crass to me, saying first you
have to get on the lottery list and get your
email for the golden ticket. Then you can go and
if that, you know, doesn't happen, well, then sorry, you're
out of luck. Now reservations are possible starting I think
October first, and then you can go to the restaurant

(45:20):
when you get a reservation and go through that and
you can't just do walking. I guess that's a little better,
but it still seems a bit snobby to me. We'll
see what do you think. Text in the show at
the KOA Common Spirit Health text line five six six
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(45:40):
of your texts on the other side, I'm Jimmy Sangenberger
filling in for Ross Kaminsky. Right here, I'm KOA Jimmy
sangen Burger filling in for Ros Kaminsky today on KOA. Look, folks,
there is a struggle going on in our K through

(46:00):
twelve education system. Okay, not just a struggle. There are
a lot of struggles going on in K through twelve
in the state of Colorado, its school establishment statewide earns
an F. When you look at the student achievement data statewide,
just forty four point one percent of third through eighth

(46:20):
graders are proficient in English, with a scant thirty four
point two percent meeting math expectations, meaning the majority nearly
sixty percent of kids are not there in English and
nearly seventy percent of kids are not there in math.
They are lagging behind. Post COVID, the recovery of student

(46:46):
learning loss has not been moving apace in any way,
shape or form. There have been some improvements, but even
in those places for the most part where they've surpassed
COVID level a pre COVID rather level outcomes that was

(47:10):
not something to write home about anyway. It was already
bad before COVID. Then it has only gotten worse ever
since then. High school performance, by the way, equally concerning
just thirty four point eight percent of students met the
state's college readiness benchmark and math on the PSAT and

(47:31):
SAT well sixty two point nine percent reached it in
reading and writing, And now they're talking about lowering the
standard for what can help you graduate using from high
school using your SAT score as one of those benchmarks
so that it's easier for you to graduate high school

(47:54):
with a shoddy SAT score. It's astonished to see just
the new lows that our system in Colorado public K
through twelve education has gone, and you can especially see
this in the comparisons with charter schools and charter school performance.

(48:16):
They are, in the words of the Denver Gazette editorial
this week, they are raising the bar of K through
twelve education where we are seeing far better performance among
charter schools than traditional K through twelve schools, and that

(48:39):
sends an important message about choice and opportunity and empowering
parents to make the decision for the school that is
best suited for their child. And this includes making sure
that your school district isn't targeting parents who are speaking out,
parents who are making their voices heard. In our next segment,

(49:01):
we will speak with a mother who is suing Denver
Public Schools because she was targeted by the district and
even had criminal charges that got dismissed because of an
encounter with a far left political activist at a Denver
school board meeting. This is a wild story when you

(49:23):
have to hear in order to believe. We will speak
with DPS mom Kristen Fry and Mountain State's Legal Foundation
attorney James Kerwin on the other side of the break
as they are joining me here in studio. I'm Jimmy
Sangenberger covering for Russkaminski. Don't go anywhere, it's koa. We
have a very sensitive and important topic to talk about,

(49:45):
and that is school districts. Yet again, Denver Public Schools
in particular overreaching, to put it mildly, really obstructing the
rights of parents to speak out. In this case, one
particular parent who was falsely accused of using a racial
slur and attacking or touch physically touching and political activist

(50:11):
or radical by the name of Hashim Coats. And that
was at a Denver Public Schools board meeting. And we
know that this is false, particularly because of particularly the touching,
because of surveillance video. They took months for DPS mom,
the DPS mom at the center of this to obtain

(50:33):
demonstrating quite clearly that what Hashim coachs claimed happened did
not in fact happen. Now, Hashim Coach just a little
bit of background. He is a radical who attends school
board meetings as a as a guy who does public
comment frequently, He's run school board members campaigns, including former

(50:55):
board member Tay Anderson, who is a tea of Hashim
Coats as well. And during the whole kerfuffle of a
few years ago when Anderson was accused of sexual improprieties
and investigation found that he had, in fact attempted to
course coursively attempted to date a couple of underage students,

(51:22):
this whole investigation was going on and Hashim Coats criticized
a then eighteen year old fresh graduate from Denver Public
Schools who I had interviewed on the radio multiple times
during the summer of twenty twenty one, called her a
lion little ass racist, and threatened legal action against her.

(51:44):
And all she was doing was speaking out against Tay
Anderson out of concern for him being on the school
board and calling for his resignation. And that's just one
little example of the kind of intimidation of Hashim Coats,
who ran for County Commissioner in a rapa Hoe County
against Ronda Fields in a Democratic primary and lost that primary.

(52:08):
Thank goodness for the people of a rapa Hoe County.
I could go on and on about ashamed Coats, especially
at school board meetings, and how he'd show up. He
once diverted a meeting for like an hour because of something.
It was ridiculous. But that's just to set the stage
a little bit for the individual in question. You made
these accusations against a mother and DPS named Kristin Frye.

(52:32):
Kristin Frye joins me now, as well as her attorney
from Mountain States Legal Foundation, James Kerwin, who is representing
her in a lawsuit against the district over this whole situation.
Welcome to you both, Thanks for taking some.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
Time, Thank you, thanks for having us, Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Thanks for coming in. So, Kristin, it's hard to know
exactly where to begin because there are so many layers
in this case. But let's start with just the events
that happened. You were at a town hall, had a
little run in with the sheme Coats, and then it
led into a school board meeting some time after that.
And this is twenty twenty three during a school board

(53:10):
election year. For context, please.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
You want me to start with the town hall or
the public.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Town hall that led into the public comment.

Speaker 13 (53:16):
Sure, so the town hall was set up by several
school board members ostensibly to allow us to voice our
questions and concerns about the recommendation from the superintendent to
fire the mccalluff International School's principal, Kurt Dennis. And you know,
it was positioned as the board members still had open

(53:39):
minds and they wanted to hear from community. I would
answer questions, etc. So we had children who went through mccuff.
In fact, we still had one child, my stepdaughter, who
was still at mculoff at the time, and we're very
concerned because one of the reasons we chose mcculliff was
because of Kurt Dennis, the principal, and what he had
built there for the school. And so you know, I
showed up thinking, all right, I've got an opportunity to

(54:00):
ask questions and share my opinion, etc.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
And when I approached the front.

Speaker 13 (54:04):
Desk to check in, I encountered an individual. I had
no idea who the person was, and he thrust some
papers in my face and said, this is this is why,
basically for Dennis is being fired. And I thought, well,
that's odd because I presumed this person was working on
behalf of the board members. And it felt very off
putting because I thought we were coming there with the
board members having an open mind, and here we are

(54:25):
being presented with this is the evidence as to why
we're firing this person. Again, I had no idea who
this person was. The meeting proceeded the town hall. We
were allowed to ask questions, you know, etc. Most of
the questions were deferred and just said, well, it's an
operational issue.

Speaker 5 (54:39):
The board can do nothing.

Speaker 13 (54:40):
It's really up to the superintendent to make the decision
as to whether or not they would fire or Dennis.
At the end of the meeting, when the questions had
been cut off, the individual who thrust these papers in
my face got up on the microphone and announced himself
as mister Hasheing Coates and said that he was confronted with.

Speaker 5 (55:01):
What did he say? Something like aggression or hostility.

Speaker 13 (55:06):
Hostility is the word that he used by the white
parents who came to the meeting at the door, and
it was just another example, he said, racism, et cetera.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
And you know, kind of an example.

Speaker 13 (55:17):
Of what he experiences, et cetera. And so after he
was done the meeting was over, I approached him and
I said, I introduced myself and I said, I don't
know if I was one of the parents that you
felt treated with you hostility, but here's here's.

Speaker 5 (55:33):
Why I felt that way.

Speaker 13 (55:34):
And then it escalated and he accused me of doing
that white girl thing whatever that meant, and anyway I
could go on and on about that was exhange. Yeah,
I left in tears and he was very aggressive.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
And just two little things. One, he does have a
tendency to weaponize claims of racism against people he does
not like or with whom he disagrees, or just to
try and dismiss any of you that opposes him. And
the second thing is just for context as well. With
Kurt Dennis, the principle at mccauliffe International, he had been

(56:14):
fired following the revelations that he brought about blowing the
whistle on There was a lot of discussion last year
following especially the shooting at East High School, that over
failures when it comes to school safety, and he blew
the whistle on some practices there at mccauliffe and in
the district, and that resulted in him getting fired. So

(56:36):
that is just an important little piece so you can
understand where we're coming from in this regard and why you,
as a concerned parent, would want to take up that
particular issue. Now, let's jump in to the public comment.
Last year I think was at August of twenty twenty three.

Speaker 13 (56:51):
August twenty first, twenty twenty three, I'll never forget that date.
I had signed up for the very first time at
the public comment school board meeting to say a few
words about my thoughts on Kurt Dennis and that termination request,
and also to read an anonymous letter from a teacher.
Many of the teachers are worried about retaliation from DPS,

(57:13):
which is founded in my opinion. And I when I
when I entered into the room, I saw mister Hasheen
Coates and his colleague, Miss Median luck At Homes now
Miss Median home Schaffner, I believe, seated right next to
the podium. And I know mister Coates is called mcaulloff

(57:35):
parents and community members racist to our faces before, not
just in the town hall, but in other town halls.
And I felt like, Wow, this is going to be
really intimidating because he's seated right next to the podium.
We have children coming up to speak, we have many
community members very nervous about coming into the space that's going.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
To be really intimidating.

Speaker 13 (57:54):
And the president at the time, so she got tan
of the school board, did say at the beginning of
the meeting, everybody behaved yourselves.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
We have children in the room.

Speaker 13 (58:02):
Be civil and considerate and quiet when people are speaking,
et cetera. Okay, then the meeting proceeded, and I observed
mister Coates and miss Schaffner interrupting people as they were speaking. Heckling,
I think is probably the best term, and I just wow, okay,
all right, and then it was my turn to get

(58:23):
up and speak, and I again was very intimidated going
into that space. And as I was waiting my turn,
they call you up in three and you wait behind
the podium. The person who was speaking ahead of me
was speaking, and I again heard mister Coates try to
interrupt the speaker.

Speaker 5 (58:39):
I leaned forward toward.

Speaker 13 (58:42):
Him, mister Coates, and I said, please be respectful of
the speakers.

Speaker 5 (58:46):
And then I stood back in position. That that is
all I did.

Speaker 13 (58:50):
And then he turned around in mock surprise and said,
did you just call me an n? And it's not
a word I ever used, so I'm not going to
say it. He said, the word in that public space,
shocking me. And I leaned forward again toward him and
I said, no, no, no, no, I said, please be respectful
of the speakers.

Speaker 5 (59:09):
It was so I was so ludicrous, and so I
was completely surprised that that is what anyway.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
So, yeah, question, yeah, no, I think when when you
have that claim something being said, it stirs you in
the moment you're about to speak, You go up and speak,
and then what's the sort of fallout from that?

Speaker 13 (59:30):
Yeah, so well, he interrupted me three more times while
I was speaking. I became more polite while I was
speaking because I said, please be respectful of the speakers, sir,
and I think I said excuse me, and then look
at the data, et cetera. Because he kept interrupting me.
Nothing else happened in the rest of the meeting.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
I mean, we were in a.

Speaker 13 (59:48):
Meeting being live streamed in front of the board and
superintendent to security guards was.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
He chastised that all by the board did they say
anything here.

Speaker 13 (59:54):
Now, nor was I I mean, which it was as
if it it didn't happen.

Speaker 5 (59:59):
It was the most bizarre experience.

Speaker 13 (01:00:03):
And I got home to my husband, I said, well
that was that was really odd, but you know he's
called as racist before, so okay.

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
Whatever, that's I know what I said.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Sure, and I thought.

Speaker 13 (01:00:15):
It would be very clear to anybody in the room
what I said. And I don't know where he's coming from, uh,
but okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
And it escalated from there and beyond just a claim
of something that was said resulting, and I think the
next day an apology from the school board over you
too hasim coats and also eventually criminal charges briefly trying
some of that up for us.

Speaker 13 (01:00:37):
So the school board spent about twelve minutes in their
next board meeting excoriating me, talking about how how awful
it is that children go home to families like these,
that would you know, people like this, that would do
something like this. And then I was actually charged. I
eventually I was charged with three different crimes. I went

(01:00:57):
through five months through the criminal just system. I had
a mug shot fingerprinted. Wow, I had a protection order
served against me. What was the claim? He said that
I had assaulted him and called him the N word,
and he kept trying for five months to get me

(01:01:18):
charged with assault. The highest level charge I was charged
with was harassment, a physical harassment, which obviously when you
look at the video.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
Never happened.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Let's talk about the video for a moment, because my
understanding is it took months for you to get this
surveillance video, had to be subpoenaed by your defense lawyers,
and then you finally got it in January, and something happened. Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:01:40):
I actually Cora requested it the very week that I
that he was starting to talk about me online.

Speaker 5 (01:01:46):
I didn't even know charges were coming.

Speaker 13 (01:01:47):
I just wanted to clear my name and DPS snow
walled me and said that they wouldn't they couldn't give
it to me, and then eventually said it was because
of the criminal charges that had been filed.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
And then I said, well, I am the person being
charge and they still refuse to give it to me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Wow.

Speaker 13 (01:02:02):
I had to spend thousands of dollars in subpoena fees
to get them to release it. They released it December first,
I believe, and then it took another month because the
DA decided to charge me with something else because mister
Coates kept saying that I should be charged with something
and he kept you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Yeah. One thing is that when we're talking with Kristin Frye,
who is a mother in Denver Public Schools filing has
filed a lawsuit. We'll get to that in a moment
against against DPS. One thing is Hussim Coats will always
be persistent, very dogged in trying to go after somebody
in a variety of ways. But this is this is

(01:02:42):
an example of that, where it was you need to
elevate the charge and do something about it. So that's
that seems par for the course from what I know.
But when this video finally came to you, that's when
it was very clear you had done no such thing, right, Yeah, so.

Speaker 13 (01:02:59):
I thought it would be just dismissed immediately. But because
he kept saying, you know, you had a charger was something.
Charger was something, the very junior DA decided to try
to charge me with a different type of harassment, which
was unconstitutional. Thankfully my lawyer proved that and the judge
dismissed there, you know, wouldn't accept that charge.

Speaker 5 (01:03:18):
And then eventually it was dismissed.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
And just struggled me real briefly about the claim about
the N word being used by you because the video
did not have any sound, So what's that correct about?

Speaker 5 (01:03:34):
It never happened, Yeah, and.

Speaker 13 (01:03:36):
You know, there are several people who wrote into the board.
Actually I didn't know them at all, They didn't even
know each other. They wrote into the board after this
day and complained about mister Coates using racial slurs. He
was calling people at the podium white supremacist, racist while
they were speaking. And they these two individual people wrote
to the board saying, hey, this can't be allowed. You've

(01:03:58):
got to fix this going forward. They never received a
response from the board. And so, you know, I don't
know about all that, but I know I didn't say it,
and I know other people heard me not say. It's
kind of hard to prove something that didn't happen, right,
didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
And in that regard, my understanding is Median Schaffner even
and said I didn't hear it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
That is correct.

Speaker 13 (01:04:23):
Yeah, Miss Schaffner said she heard me say something that
ended in err, and therefore it must have been that word.
And I don't know if you've ever looked, but there
are over eight thousand words in the English language end
in er, including.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Speakers, including speakers Kristin Fry here in studio, as well
as our attorney, James Kerran from Mountain State's Legal Foundation. Okay, James,
let's bring you in on the conversation. This is about
now a lawsuit at this point against Denver Public Schools,
naming four board members, also naming a sheamed coach as defendant.

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Talk to us about the legal aspects of this case
that you're bringing about. Yeah, well, thank you very much.

Speaker 14 (01:05:00):
I mean, Kristin does such a great job of telling
the story from her perspective and how it impacted her.
And I'll to zoom out for a second and talk
about from a legal perspective why Mountain State's Legal Foundation
is joining this fight and why we think this is
such an important case. So it's fair to say in
today's day and age that for decent people anyway, being

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falsely accused of being a racist is one of their
worst nightmares.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Right.

Speaker 14 (01:05:24):
It's even if it's false and demonstrably false. You might
lose friends, you could conceivably lose your job. And activists
and bullies know about this, and they know that people
are afraid, and they leverage that, as you put it earlier,
weaponizing these charges of racism. But that's cancel culture that's
been going on for quite a while. It's a terrible
thing there are many cases like that. We got involved

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because this case really takes it to the next level.
This is a case where Kristen was not just accused publicly,
including by school board members, of essentially being a racist,
she was brought up on criminal charges. She could have
gone to jail. So that's why we're taking this case
and why it's so important. There's a lot of self
censorship in the culture right now because people are afraid

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of being called racist. Imagine what the self censorship would
look like if people thought they might go to jail
if they went to a school board meeting to speak
on behalf of Kurt Dennis.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
That can't be allowed to stand. That's why we're doing
this case. And so from a legal standpoint, if you can,
sort of in layman's terms, just give us the centerpiece
of the complaint. What is it that bewund State's legal
is saying was was done here in this case that
was illegal?

Speaker 14 (01:06:32):
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution forbids government
entities from retaliating against people because they've spoken up about something.
That's what happened here. This is, by the way, part
of a broader issue. Right Kurt Dennis was fired by
the same school board acting in conjunction with mister Coates.
By the way, he helped do an investigation kind of

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under the table. He's involved in this stuff very intimately.
Kurt Dennis was fired, that was in retaliation for his speech.
Kristen Fry was called a racist and brought up on
criminal charges in retaliation for her speech. This is it's
an at least at this time, the board was really
very aggressive in its retaliation against anybody who would speak

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up in opposition to their policies. And there are you know,
you may agree, you may not agree, but it's certainly
a legitimate point of view to question whether pulling the
security officers out of schools changing the disciplinary matrix so
that students who've been accused of attempted murder are still
going to school at mccauliffe. Those legitimate questions are raised,

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and you're not a racist for raising them. And the
fact that the school board, along with its co conspirators
are calling you racists and bringing criminal charges violates the
First Amendment.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
And quite obviously, thank you, James Kerwin. It's abundantly clear
to me that if a kid is at risk because
of students and failure of to address student violence and
so forth. Then all students are at risk, regardless of
their color. Real quick, one quick thing, and then I'm
going to zoom out to use James's word with you,

(01:08:11):
Christen Fry, as we wrap up. You participated in Black
Lives Matter protests back in twenty twenty, didn't you.

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
I did. I did.

Speaker 13 (01:08:20):
I My family marched with mister Anderson. You know, we
knelt in honor and memory of George Floyd. I mean
I get emotional thinking about it because it was a
very emotional thing. Yeah, I believed in what we were
doing at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
So with that in mind, especially and with what's happening here,
let's zoom out. What do you think is the most
important thing that folks listening can take away, Kristen Fry,
from your experience and what has gone on in this lawsuit.

Speaker 13 (01:08:50):
It's not okay to be silenced by elected officials. We
have a right, thank thankfully, in this country to you know,
to ask questions and provide suggestions and so forth of
our elected officials, and to be to be brought up
on charges is just I mean, it's beyond the pale.
And I know other people have felt intimidated and worried

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about speaking up against the school board because of what
I went through, and so I'm trying to be brave
as hard as it is, and the scrutiny that is
further scrutiny is going to bring to our family.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Well, you are doing a tremendous job being an advocate,
not just for yourself, but for other parents, because it's
not just DPS. There are school boards across the country
that have similar acts of intimidation and failures of the
boards to provide a space for parents to simply express
yourselves and your concerns for your kids, in this case,
your kid's safety, which is such a pivotal issue in

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Denver public schools that has really given the district a
black eye over the last year and a half and
beyond that, and it is astonishing to see how they
have responded. So Kristin Fry, thank you so much for
your courage, Thanks for joining us today as well. Thank
you and James Kerwin, best of luck in this legal battle.
Seems like you got a strong and important case here,
and we appreciate what you're doing in Mountain State's legal

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foundation taking on a lot of cases like this that's right,
Thank you very much. Thank you once again, Kristen Fry
and James Kerwin joining us here in studio. I'm Jimmy
Sangenberger covering for Ross Kaminsky. Back with another hour on KOA,
third and final hour and now beginning. But I've got
a couple more days filling in for Ross Kaminsky tomorrow
and Friday. My name is Jimmy Sangenberger right here on KOA.

(01:10:33):
Appreciate you joining into the festivities too via the text
line the KOA Common Spirit Health text line to be
exact text us at five six six nine zero. Look,
there is chatter going on in my feed about trash
day Dragon. Apparently this is a very important thing.

Speaker 12 (01:10:54):
Yeah, Andy is very concerned as to when your trash
day is.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
I live in an apartment. Trash days. Any day I
decided it's trash day, and when the waste management people
come to pick it up from the dumpsters, I don't know.
And guess why, no idea.

Speaker 12 (01:11:11):
It could be Wednesday, could be Thursday, it could be Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
You know, I don't care. It doesn't It doesn't impact
my life one way or the other, so long as
I have a dumpster to throw my trash into. Now
it is a pain sometimes when the dumpster is completely full.
And then you got to figure out how in the
world can I get this obnoxious, disgusting, smelling bag up

(01:11:34):
trash in there. But you figure it out then, or
do you do?

Speaker 12 (01:11:37):
You throw it up on it?

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
I figure out how to get it.

Speaker 12 (01:11:40):
You climb in there and start.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
No, I only do not do that. I know you
would love to have some fun doing that, Dragon, but
I would not. No, no, thank you. And then here
I carried a pager. Andy says back in the early nineties.
My now thirty four year old son saw a photo
of me from back then and asked about that thing
on the belt. I know I could have identified that

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I'm a sun same age, but when we look at
the at the pagers, I am astonished at the return.
I thought they were gone dragon. But now apparently it's
the tool of terrorists.

Speaker 12 (01:12:18):
I know that my mother had one up until a
few years ago when she sold her subway franchise, because
that's how the employees would get a hold of her
is through her pagers. So they would just page the
store number and she would call back and figure out
what the issue was, but they we're talking oh maybe
ten years ago now, so they were still a thing
up until that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
I guess I would assume always kind of assume doctors
probably have them, maybe some sensitive roles. But it's not
every day that you open up the newspaper and see pagers,
and not just pages, but exploding pagers. And now we're
not just walkie talkies, but exploding walkie talkies, which means
that Hesbalam may have no choice but to turn back
to cell phones, the modern technology to communicate, even though

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calls can and texts can be intercepted by Israel or Massad.
Now we know that they individuals has Ballad terrorists, Iranian
ambassadors can be intercepted by old school technology for community.

Speaker 12 (01:13:16):
Explosive material inside of a pager and then get it
out to you bingo.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
And that is I'm just still astounded by how that
could happen. But the technology, the way things are today,
the ingenuity, the creativity, especially of an organization like the
Massad now makes things interesting. That's for darn sure. This
whole thing is fascinating, especially because it also entails hungry.

(01:13:46):
So what happened is that Taiwan, the company in Taiwan
made these pagers, and I gather walkie talkies were made.
I don't know if it's the same company or different one,
but made in Taiwan, and then they were all intercepted
going through Hungary and then ended up in the hands

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of Hezbollah terroris. It's just fascinating. How did that happen?
How that go about? Will the world ever know? I
don't know. I don't know that the mesade is if
there are indeed behind it is necessarily going to want
all their specifics to be determined. But you never know.
This is a pretty big undertake, and we're talking about

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over four thousand pages and over four thousand injured hesbo
LA members. Just a really stunning story, and we will
see what happens moving ahead. I wonder what that Iranian
ambassador's trash day is. I think the world is just

(01:14:51):
burning to know what his trash day is. Maybe they
can take out some as trash at the same time
on that trash day. Who knows? Again our text line
five six six nine zero fascinating and important interview as
well with Kristin Fry in the last hour, the bottom

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of the half hour. She is theps mother who is
suing Denver Public Schools for them trampling upon her First
Amendment right. She was falsely accused of physically assaulting an
activist political activist, Rabbel Rouser Hashim Coats is his name,

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and calling him the N word at a school board
meeting during public comment, and she ended up getting charged
and the charges were dismissed when video revealed quite clearly
that she never physically touched or attacked Hashim Coats. It
just it never happened. Now, it's it's interesting to just

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see this story and to know Hashim's role. It's a
little bit more background on this individual because he's run
a lot of campaigns for school board and for some
other politicians. He helped out Attorney General Phil Weiser's campaign
that actually comes up in another issue. He's very close
friends with Wanda James c you regent for Denver, who

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had been cited for an underage violation a few years ago,
and Hashim Coats really went to bat for her and
tried to pull in some of his cred if you will,
from having worked for Phil Wiser's campaign to get this
done away with and basically say, oh, this is because

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of racism that she's being targeted because she's a black
woman running cannabis company. And needless to say, there's a
whole story there. I could get off into the weeds there.
But something else about Hashim Coats is that police records
has showed that in twenty sixteen December, Hasim Coats was

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arrested and eventually pleaded guilty to prohibited use of a
weapon following a sexual encounter with a male prostitute, police
records revealing that he had fired multiple shots from a
Smith and Wesson nine millimeter pistol toward a car carrying
the prostitute and three others, including two children. Coach secured

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a plea deal for the class two misdemeanor as prosecutors
dropped more serious counts, including a felony for illegally discharging
a firearm and misdemeanors concerning prostitution and criminal mischief. And
that's the guy who had accused this DPS mother of
assault and of calling him the N word during a

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school board public comments session. And he has a history
of disrupting public comments and yet is sort of an
influential player in that space, and so he's not reined
in very much by the school board, which is unspeakable
if you think about it. With these kinds of disruptions,

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of course the school board is going to rein in
the person. Well, that doesn't happen. Not with Hashim kots
who again he ran for county commissioner Repo County during
this primary season. He lost the primary to State Senator
Ronda Fields, who will end up winning the seat for
Rapo County Commissioner because that is a solid Democrat commissioner

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district in a rapa Hoe County. Lots more coming up.
We've got lots to discuss, more texts to get to.
We're having a great time. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger. I'm in
for Rosz Kaminsky right here on KOA. What he does
in that Harmonica intro, let me tell you that is
it's tricky. How do you not pass out? Well, that's

(01:18:53):
not the biggest thing. It's the tricks that he's doing.
He's doing a few things. It would take two. I
can't really explain it. Over the year. Well, what he's doing,
I haven't figured out a couple of those intricacies yet
to be able to do the same. Listener texted in
Jimmy Sangenberger in for Ross Kaminski at the koa Common
Spirit Health text nine five six six nine zero. Jimmy,

(01:19:15):
I just tuned in. Have you played the intro to
train Train yet? So the question I have in my
mind is was that technically Dragon playing it via the
bumper and the actual train train intro? Or was it me?
Have I played it yet? Because no, I have not,
because I'm still working on I don't know what do
you think practice makes perfect?

Speaker 12 (01:19:36):
I was figuring it was Jimmy as in the team
as in here on ka right now, you and I
and I thought it was a song yet, But I
didn't take it to that next level of yet you
have learning it and playing it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
I always have my briefcase full of blues with me
when I fill in this Friday. We're actually going to
have a couple of young musicians in studio who are phenomenal,
and we will have we will jam a few tunes
to close the show on Friday. But I don't care
what the listener's interest was here, whether it was me
or you, Because you did the right thing. My head

(01:20:09):
was in that exact space. I was like, shoot, we've
only got a minute left. I should have mentioned to
drag it, but he read. It's almost like you read
my mind. You knew I wanted to give the listener
what the listener wanted.

Speaker 12 (01:20:20):
It's a producer's job to stay on top of things
and think about things before you think about that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
And contrary to popular belief, you're pretty good at that.
You're actually a pretty decent producer, just like the Masad
is pretty good at taking out terrorists. So the Masade.
This is coming in from Andy again. The Masad is
the bad ass of all the world's bad asses. And
going back to trash day listener text, Clearly, yesterday was

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trash day for Israel.

Speaker 12 (01:20:51):
You got any extra fingers just laying around lost interest?

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
Exactly? It really was. And now today with walkie toes,
exploding pagers, walkie talkies, gosh, we are really going back
to walkee talk I think of childhood with walkie talkies.
Gotta be honest with you, makes me think of being
a kid again, playing around, you know, with walkie talkies.
But then and then pagers, it's just we're going retro here.

(01:21:19):
Well they are as blaze and it's to their detriment,
Thank goodness. Here's another one, Casa Benita used to use
the same technology and their burritos it would explode in
your intestines a half an hour after you left the restaurant.

Speaker 12 (01:21:38):
That's a taco bell for me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Yeah. Well, I don't know if I wanted to know that,
but I would say kudos for full circle back to
the beginning of the last hour when we talked about
Cosabanina and their arbitration. And now now, if you sign
up for a reservation, you go through arbitration if you
have a legal claim, as opposed to going through the

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court system. That's what they want you to do.

Speaker 12 (01:22:04):
We did have one text, and I'm trying to struggle
to find it here, is that the only person that
that applies to would be the person who made the reservation,
not the other guests, because you can't wave away somebody
else's right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
That's interesting. Okay.

Speaker 12 (01:22:20):
I don't know if they're a lawyer, I don't know
how true that is, but I just found that text
very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Okay, that is an interesting text. So don't be the
one to make the reservation if you are sue happy,
because you want to be able to just jump ahead.
And now we do have another listener making the point
about I understand your point about Cosabanita, but we also
have to consider that juries are getting out of control

(01:22:45):
and awarding crazy judgments against high profile companies. Just think
about McDonald's in the Hot Coffee verdict. Yeah, you do
have a lot of that. My Grandpa Walt would say,
sue happy nation. We're a sue happy nation, and that
is true. But when you sign up for a reservation,
do you necessarily want to give up your right if
something happens? Or if you sign up for Disney Plus.

(01:23:09):
We talked about this earlier. If you sign up for
Disney Plus, should your agreement to their terms of service
that talks about arbitration apply when you go to disney
World or disney Land and something else happens. Very different story.
I would say, hey, I appreciate some of the complimentary

(01:23:30):
texts coming in as well, but I am insulted. I
am personally insulted by this text that I will read
before the break. Harmonicas are just irritating, just like jazz Dragon.
What in the world is going on here? And why
was this text allowed at my feet in front of me? Hateful?

(01:23:51):
I'm very upset and hurt by that. I just might
have to to provide this list with some harmonica maybe,
I don't know. I don't know. We got a rundo,
a break though. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger filling in for rus Kiminsky.
Of course, we got dragon behind the glass. We're rocket
and rolling along. Keep it right here on KOA, I

(01:24:14):
interviewed Warren Haynes for my blues podcast. They have a
blues podcast that I do called Blues Business with Jimmy Sangenberger.
That's me, Jimmy Sangenberger filling in for rous Kiminski here
today on KOA. And I have a couple of excerpts
that I want to share from Warren. My interview with
Warren because he was at Red Rocks last week with

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the Colorado Symphony. Got to talk about that in a moment.
But first the texts were pouring in about harmonica's. This
is this is something else. We really struck a chord,
a chord with the audience here. Now I love it.
Oh m gosh, love harmonica. This is all I think.

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In response to the one listener who very tragically said
harmonica's are irritating just like jazz, I was deeply offended.
But my ohn gosh, love harmonica encouraged me mad respect
to a guy who can play the harp. I would
love to sit and listen to you. Hey, I appreciate that. Harp,
of course is a nickname for harmonica. And then another

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listener compares it to well, it's a little inappropriate for
me to say this. The probably shouldn't go there. Yeah, yeah,
that's probably gives you enough of an idea. Jimmy, when
you get to heaven, they give you a harp. When
you get to hell, they give you a harmonica. Well,

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I mean that is very funny. And of course there
is the song if you want to get to Heaven
you got to raise a little help. Yes, my Jimmy
Junior Blues Band does indeed have that on our list.
It's a really fun song to perform.

Speaker 12 (01:26:02):
And then yeah, I do like this Textor is trying
to help out to figure out how to do train
and train. He said, you have to breathe in and
out while playing. That is well, I'm only really good
at one or the other.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
That's what you have to do, no matter what, and
I'll do that in just a moment. That text are
wanting to get to the only people that don't like harmonicas,
are damn Yankees? Well, I'm a Yankee originally, you know,
I was a kid when we moved here to Colorado,
but from upstate New York and New Jersey. So I
am a Yankee and I love harmonica. I don't know
how much that fits, but I get it. And you

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keep playing her harmonica. I love it that hater can
go and listen elsewhere. No no, no, no, no, no,
we want that's okay. You don't have to love harmonica
to listen when I fill in here on KOA because
we might have some musical differences. But I will say
that this will not save you from hearing a little harmonica.

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And let's talk about in and out with the air
and you know thing train I love it a rod

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bringing out the phone with the light. I mean, it's
just like being in a concert or red rock.

Speaker 12 (01:27:40):
How are you not passing out?

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
Though? Seriously, you know, I tag my breath a little bit.

Speaker 12 (01:27:45):
I mean, I get it. You have to breathe in
and breathe out while you're playing harmonica in each Realize that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
You're breathing in and out right now, but you're.

Speaker 12 (01:27:55):
Not doing it at the same time, right is that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
No, No, I'm hung up. There is something called circular breathing.
For example, John Popper of Blues Traveler can do that.
I'm I don't have that exact technique, but I know
how to how to do it. So that's not what
the text though, in terms of in and out right.
Oh yeah, I think they're literally expressing what I was doing.

(01:28:19):
I knew that. Yeah, you have, but you have to
do it a lot and fast.

Speaker 12 (01:28:24):
Sometimes it's gonna make me hyperventilate and pass out.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
Which is a good thing that I'm not asking you
to play hic. Not that you would want to play
one of my harmonicas that have been used anyway, but yes, exactly,
So there you go. I love it. And this Friday
we will have in two up and coming young country
musicians in town, Joe Wren and Natasha Lynn will join

(01:28:49):
us and we will have some music live in studio
on Friday to end the week I think that's a
great way to to get into the weekend.

Speaker 12 (01:28:57):
This Texas says it's just fancy kazoo.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
No, it's just not. There are ten holes in this thing,
and the things that you can do is awesome. Nothing
against expert kazoo artists and now here we go. Best
harmonica ever Whammer Jammer by Jay Giles band Magic Dick
is phenomenal on the harp. Absolutely and there was a

(01:29:25):
request here Jimmy, just don't play harmonica on the radio
before nine am. It's not the best thing to wake
up to. Okay, duly noted. I will keep that in
mind when I feel in for Ross, do it after
I get in the studio and do a little harmonica, maybe,
just maybe it depends nine o'clock. Very good, I love it.

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Keep them coming. The KOA Common Spirit health text line
is five six six nine zero.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Warren Haynes is one of the most incredible guitar players
alive today. He was, of course as Men with the
Allman Brothers for twenty five years. I had the opportunity
to interview him for my podcast and all the platforms
and iHeartRadio app Blues Business please subscribe, But I want
to share a little bit because it's so fascinating. With

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his visit, you don't necessarily hear musicians talk about, for example,
why they love performing at Red Rocks so much.

Speaker 11 (01:30:24):
It's a fabulous venue, probably my favorite venue in the
United States. And I've played there dozens of times, probably
over thirty times, never had a bad show there. I've
also sat in the audience and watched other bands just
to get that experience because it's such a special place. Obviously,

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I look forward every time I'm going to play there.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
What is it about the venue that makes you think, Okay,
this may be the best in the United States? Is
it the acoustics, is it the atmosphere? What is it?

Speaker 11 (01:31:03):
Well? Everything visually, it's such a profoundly beautiful setting. It
sounds great there. The Colorado audiences are very peered toward
live music, and we just always felt this connection. The

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type of music that we all love seems to be
something that connects with Colorado audiences. And so when you
combine all those things together, it's just a magical place
to play.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Larren Haynes, the Rock and Roll Hall of Famer for
the Allman Brothers band. Yeah, I mean, I can just
imagine being up on stage and the acoustics and the
experience and everything. It is beautiful. And I say that
because I was just there two tuesdays ago, back at
Red Rocks and Dragon. You have seen concerts at Red Rocks, right,

(01:31:58):
of course, Okay, good, because I talked to somebody recently
who's lived here for decades and it's like, I've never
seen a Red Rocks concert. How in the world have
you not been to Redrock?

Speaker 12 (01:32:06):
You have the state it is.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
It is truly incredible and something that was really cool.
And I hope this audio sounds fine because it was
taken from video from my phone. But Warren Haynes and
his band did three sets. It was a four hour
concert and the first two sets were with the Colorado Symphony.
The third set was with his own band. And you

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might be wondering, Okay, how would you do that with
his kind of music? Say all my brothers songs like
Whipping Post, Well that was literally done with the Colorado Symphony.
It's it added something nice. A little harder to hear
on the in the audio, I guess, but there was
something unique. So the Colorado Symphony has been doing this

(01:32:53):
for years and really pioneering these collaborations with all kinds
of mainstream musicians of different genres, and the way in
which they add something to that music is profound, and
you find these songs like I would have never anticipated

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that Whipping Post would have the orchestra in the background
there as part not just in the background, but as
part of the song. And we have a symphony in
Colorado that literally was among the first to do this.
Warren Haynes was part of the Jerry Garcia Symphonic Celebration

(01:33:36):
some years back, and that show was put together with
the Colorado Symphony. So we are very fortunate to have
something unique as an institution in Colorado with the symphony
that is willing and able to do these kinds of shows.
And just briefly take a listen to a little bit
of a snippet, because Warren Haynes comes from a jam

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band background. That is to say, he he has his band,
Government Mule, his Banned Warren Hands Band, He's played with
the Dead and the Allman Brothers band, and all of
these are very much jamban where you take on the
life of your own, you allow for the music to
flow and go with it. But doing that with an
orchestra is something else. When you think about jam ban

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in so much of that dynamic, how does that work
in when you're with the symphony. Does that limit what
you can do or are you still able to go
with the flow in a way that you are known
for and that you really have as a staple of
what you do on stage. Warren hands, well, that's a
good question, and.

Speaker 11 (01:34:38):
It's somewhat more limiting. And so my solution to that,
going back to the Garcia Symphonic Celebration, was to find
ways that we could make improv a much bigger part
of the program. So we did that in three different ways.
One was by taking a approaching the scores in a

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way where sometimes the symphony will drop out and the
band will just improvise, and then on cue the conductor
will bring the orchestra back in. There are also times
where we are improvising, but the symphony is playing scored
music that we're improvising. Two and the other way, which

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is kind of probably the most unique and bizarre, is
that we took in some cases music that was originally
improvised and had it scored for the orchestra. As an example,
when I did the Garcia Symphonic Celebration, we had this

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version of Dark Star where there was seven minutes of
improvisation that was arranged and scored for the symphony. So
the symphony was and performing music that was originally improv
and I'm not sure if and how much that's been

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done in the past, But it was a very cool
aspect of doing grateful dead music with the symphony, and
that's carried over to what we're doing now. All three
of those aspects play into the program, so we're utilizing
improvisation as much as possible in this setting. And then

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of course the third set is without the symphony, so
it goes even further.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
And it was an incredible performance every aspect of it.
The if you see a band that is playing with
the Colorado Symphony that you're a fan of, go check
them out. Absolute blast and amazing. Talking with Warren Haynes
is my Blues Business podcast. Now she's up next, Mandy

(01:37:02):
Connell joining us. She's got a tiny show today. Good morning, Mandy.
How are you.

Speaker 9 (01:37:05):
Good morning, sir.

Speaker 15 (01:37:07):
And I know when there's blues music playing that Jimmy
Singen Murger is filling in for someone. Not that I
don't love it myself, but I don't play it that often.

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
Well, Hey, I'm glad to have sort of a mainstay
where people can hear it and go, oh, I think
I can guess who's in the chair today.

Speaker 15 (01:37:22):
Yeah, yeah, I know, so did you? I have a
tiny show today, Jimmy, it's itty bitty. Yes, it's in
cy eat seawheet see the Rockies take over at twelve thirty.

Speaker 9 (01:37:31):
But OMG, have we.

Speaker 15 (01:37:33):
Got to talk about these ongoing attacks in Israel?

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (01:37:37):
How crazy is this?

Speaker 15 (01:37:39):
Because not only are they now blowing up walkie talkies
all over be Root and all over Lebanon, they've now
crippled Hasblo's ability to communicate with anything other than like
carrier pigeons. You know what I mean this is I
think we're about to see a larger war roll into
Lebanon and they're not ready.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
For Well, what's fascinating is, as they're pointing out, they
left cell phones behind because they were worried about Israeli interception,
and then these alternative forms of communication have been taken
from them. I'm wondering if they can get to some
of those pigeons and actually have them still be around

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after they get them.

Speaker 15 (01:38:20):
You know what's funny is years ago a listener in Louisville, Kentucky,
when I was there, actually gave me a carrier pigeon harness.
So I have a carrier pigeon harness. I just got
to find the right, pigeon right. You know, it sounds ridiculous,
but think about it, Jimmy, how would you communicate if
you couldn't use anything that was attached to the Internet,
which is the edict from Hesbela, you can't use anything

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that's attached to the Internet. And now they're blowing up
your pages and your walkie talkies. This is this is
like next level intimidation that's happening right now, next level
and I'm here for it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
I am very much here for it. And my guess
is that they might just have to find some landline telephones,
so maybe there's a payphone in down to a big
roots exactly.

Speaker 15 (01:39:02):
Hey, I'll give you a ring from the payphone down
the street. It really is kind of astounding what's going on.

Speaker 9 (01:39:08):
And when you.

Speaker 15 (01:39:08):
Consider that Israel took such a hit to their reputation
as being this international, you know, powerhouse when it comes
to intelligence and everything else on October seventh, well, they
are definitely sort of putting all of their foes on
notice that that was a one off and now you
have to deal with the rest of it, you know

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what I mean. I think it's absolutely incredible and it's
it's certainly going to change things going forward, and now
Iran has to figure out what they're going to do.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
Yeah. Absolutely, And it was very striking to me that
you had the ambassador for Iran to is it to
Lebanon had one of these pagers that exploded. Which do
we really need any more proof man that Iran and
has Bill our best buds?

Speaker 15 (01:39:57):
Well, I don't think we ever really needed proof to
I mean, I think it's fairly obvious what's going on there,
but it does make it really challenging to claim any
kind of uh you know, uh, plausible deniability, I guess
would be the way I'm looking at it. But yeah,
it's uh, this I feel like is a game changer.
But Hesbola doesn't know what the new rules are yet,

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you know what I'm saying. It's like, it's this is
just it's fascinating. This is like out of a out
of a out.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
Of a movie.

Speaker 9 (01:40:27):
I mean, this is this is like seriously And.

Speaker 15 (01:40:30):
Of course, now the name of the prolific author who
wrote Hunt for Red October?

Speaker 9 (01:40:34):
Yes, what's his name?

Speaker 15 (01:40:36):
Oh my god, I've read so many of his books
and now I can't remember his name. And he writes
like pages upon pages about weapons systems, and I just
I fast forward.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
Tom Clancy.

Speaker 12 (01:40:47):
Thank you, Josh.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
We embarrassed right now.

Speaker 15 (01:40:49):
I know, Tom Clancy. Thank you all the Texters who
are screaming at the radio. We appreciate you, We really do.

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
Well. Man. Yeah, you have a tight little show there,
but we are going to be able to hear some
fascinating stuff because everything is just it's exploding right now.

Speaker 9 (01:41:08):
All right, my friend, are you back tomorrow?

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
I am indeed through Friday right.

Speaker 9 (01:41:13):
Looking forward to hearing more blues music tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
Then all right, Mandy Connell up next for a little bit,
and then the Rockies go Rockies. That's for darn shore.
I'm Jimmy Sangenberger. Thanks so much for being with me today.
I'll see you around the next couple of days, and
I wish you well and as I always like to say,
may God bless America.