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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm very pleased to welcome back to Koa Ruthie Bloom.
Ruthie was an advisor in Benjamin ettia Who's administration. She
is a reporter at JNS News, a tremendous Israeli news outlet,
great place to get information if you want to know
what's going on in that part of the world.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And I had Ruthie on just recently and just thought
she was such a fabulous guest.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
And then suddenly, over the last few days we have
another day that I don't really want to put it
into my own words too much because I don't live
in Israel, but to me, it felt like the worst
day since October seventh. And I don't like even like
those kinds of comparisons, but I think we have to
have a conversation here. So Ruthie, thank you for joining
(00:44):
us from Tel Aviv once again.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Well, first of all, thank you for having me, and
I'm sorry that these are the circumstances, and you're right,
one of the reasons that it was the worst day
since October seventh is though we've had we have had
other dead hostages retrieved over the course of the war.
(01:10):
The reason this was so horrifying was that it was
discovered that actually they were executed. These six hostages were
executed by Hamas. I would say two days before our
soldiers found them.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
So and keeping in.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Mind that this is wild, so called negotiations for ceasefire
and hostage released.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Dealer going on, which they're not. They are going on,
but not with Hamas.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
And because one of these hostages is an American, was
had dual Israeli American citizenship and he became very very
famous in America, Kirsch Goldberg Poland, because he's an American citizen,
but also because his pans parents were very outspoken, lovely people,
very brave. They touched everybody's hearts, and they actually spoke
(02:09):
at the Democratic National Convention that was just a couple
of weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I can't remember the date. I'm confused about the date,
but it was very very recent.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
And not only that, but a day before the bodies
were retrieved from Gaza, the Goldberg Polans were among families
of hostages who went down to the Gaza border with
megaphones and were calling out to their loved ones. You know,
(02:40):
So the Goldberg Polands were saying hersh were here, stay strong,
all these you know, and then and then you know,
the next.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Day or that same day.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
We don't know exactly, but the autopsy indicates that they
were then just executed by their captors.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
We know that we know that six hostages were executed.
We believe that I think three of them, correct me
if I'm.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Wrong, were thought to be folks who would be released
in this quote unquote hostage negotiation or whatever it is
that might or might not be going on right now.
But there was some talk that three of the six
at least would be among those released soon.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
If again, if this so called deal were actually a deal,
and if we actually had Hamas negotiating it, then that
is true. It was part of the deal that both
Prime Minister and Nataniel and President Biden and Secretary of
State b Lincoln had kind Also the Qataris and the Egyptians,
(03:47):
but don't get me started on them, okay, because they are,
you know, have been complicit in this whole thing. So
let's just leave them aside for a moment and just
talk about the United States and Israel. Those two countries
came to some at least agreement about what was possible
to negotiate and what wasn't and the agreement was based
(04:12):
on a similar deal to the one we had in November,
where it would be in three stages. For example, so
in the first stage of this, many hostages would be released,
and they would be in a certain category of like humanitarian.
It could be young women and old people who are
on medication whatever. I don't know the exact I can't
remember the exact details because so many have been floating around.
(04:36):
But the idea is, yes, if this deal were such
a deal, and if Hamas were at least negotiating it,
and if three of these hostages would have been.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Released in the first phase.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
But the sad, awful tragedy, I mean, I don't have
enough words to actually enough adjectives to describe this. But
the horror is that actually there there has been no deal.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Israel has been trying.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
And America has been pressuring Israel, et cetera, et cetera,
and Hamas says, no, you leave Gaza, you leave us
in power. You know, you lose the war, and we
will remain and be able to commit October seventh, again
and again and again, and then maybe we'll release.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Some of the hostages. They never Hamas never even said.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
You know, if let's suppose Hamas had said, we will
release the one hundred and well, now it's one hundred
and one hostage. We will release every single hostage right
away in exchange for Israel leaving Gaza and losing the war.
I guarantee you that many Israelis, including myself, would say,
(05:47):
this is something we really have to consider, because we've
got to save those lives, even if we put everybody
else's at risk. But Hamas never offered all the hostages
and would never have given up all the hostages. So
the whole thing was a false It was giving false
hopes to those terribly those devastated families.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Okay, so when I read this, and again, I'm Jewish,
but I'm not Israeli, and is Israeli politics. The Israeli
mindset is a very specific thing, and Jews in general,
but Israeli specifically, place incredible value on life and on
getting hostages back. We remember what happened with Glad Shalit,
(06:31):
which I still view as a historic mistake.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
By the way, you can agree or not or not
comment on that.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I totally agree.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I totally agree, because without that the Shalite deal, we wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Have had Sinhwar ruling Gaza today.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So, for and for those who don't know, Hamas captured
one Israeli soldier, they got a thousand of their own
people out of out of Israeli prisons for it. And
one of them is the guy who organized and masterminded
October seven and is still there running around in the tunnels.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And not only that, but while that blood thirsty terrorist
named Yeshies Sinoir was in an Israeli prison, not only
did he learn fluent Hebrew and become a real leader
in the prison, right so he could learn study Israelis
and all that, but he got a brain tumor and
(07:24):
Israeli doctors saved his life.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Okay, so that's an unbelievable it's an impressive. So again
from the cheap seats, I can imagine two very different
potential reactions within society to this horrible event. One would be,
we're probably never gonna get the hostages back, so just
go freaking kill Hamas, stop holding back, stop listening to
(07:51):
Joe Biden, and just go do what needs to be done.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Stop pussy footing around.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And a lot of Americans don't understand that Israel really
is restraining itself.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
But that's how I understand it.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
The other the other side could be we can't risk
losing any more hostages.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
We need to make a deal now, almost no matter
what the terms are.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Now, I personally am in Camp one, but I'm not Israeli.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And now I matter that.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
You're not Israeli.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
It doesn't matter that you're not Israeli. Joe Biden is
in Israeli. All the Jewish, the American Jewish community, they're
not Israelis. Everyone has an opinion on this, Okay, if
you haven't. In case you hadn't noticed, I will say,
there's a third category that you left out there. Okay,
one you said you belonged in that category, and then
the other bring them home now at whatever cost. And
(08:43):
there's a third category, and that is the category the
Prime Minister Nataniao is pushing for and many many of
us support, and that is in order to rescue those
hostages and get as many alive as back, we have
to exert more military pressure and we have to not
(09:05):
only defeat them, but we've got to get those goons,
you know, absconding and we and the closer we get
and the more we u defeat them, the more likely
they are a either to make a deal to return
the hostages or to surrender and you know, run away.
So the idea, that idea was, yes, that's in order
(09:28):
to get the hostages back, we.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Need to do that, not to forfeit them.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Fair enough, And I guess I would put myself in
that camp there with you, but I think I think
that the realistic version of that camp, you'd have to
have a little add on saying and we do this
understanding that it may be putting the hostages at risk.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yes, well that's for sure, and we know, but we've
tried so hard.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Not only did the idea of the Israel Defense Forces,
not only did they really perform miracles like surgical surgical
operations that are really really difficult in urban combat when
it's really crowded, and also above ground and underground with
all those massive tunnels that Hamas had built.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
But it was surgical for two reasons.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
One of course was the hostages, because you don't want
to just blitz every tunnel because there we knew that
there were hostages in some of the tunnels. That's one thing,
But it was also surgical to avoid Palestinian deaths.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
And anybody who says that's not.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
True and that we were indiscriminate is a liar or
misinformed one or the other.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Okay, So it seems to me, based on what I'm
seeing in the news and the number of people in
the streets in Israel, that there is a very very
significant part of the population. And maybe it's the majority.
You can tell me that's in camp two. It's not
where you and I and that and Yahoo are they
are much.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Again, this is a continuum.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
It's not black and white exactly, but there are people
who are willing to, let's say, do a much what
I would call worse deal, a deal it's more favorable
to Hamas and less favorable to Israel if it means
getting the hostages back, including pulling Israel completely.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Out of Gaza. Is that what's going on in the streets?
Is that what they're calling for?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
No, well excuse yeah, yes, and no, what's going.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
On in the streets now?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Again, you know how the numbers, You know how it's
very hard to count crowds, and very often there are
differences of opinion. For example, the police, let's say, have
a drone that takes pictures of crowds and counts somehow,
and then you have other people counting in a different way.
(11:47):
So I can't really tell you how many were out
in the streets today. And there was a general strike
that failed, by the way, But let's say the number,
the big number that's been quoted is true, and the
big number is three hundred thousand. Okay, I'm doubtful about that,
but let's assume it's true.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
From in it.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
There are ten million people in Israel, Okay, that's number one.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Number two.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
It is not true that most Israelis want to lose
the war and think that that's fine just to get
the hostages out.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
That is definitely not true.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
What is true is that many of the demonstrators, and
certainly the organizers of these demonstrations, many of whom have
no hostage relatives or anything like that, latched on to
the hostage families, took them on as their project to
(12:45):
continue mass anti nitenio protests that were taking place before
the war. Now, having said that, the reason I'm pointing
that out is that there is no Israeli.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Who doesn't want those hostages back, and.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Anyone who tells you otherwise is also a liar or misinformed.
Every Israeli takes this very personally and knows what if
it were me, And not only that, but often knows
personally knows hostages personally, or as in my case, has
sons fighting in Gaza to find the hostages, rescue the
(13:20):
hostages and defeat Hamas.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
What about us? That's the that us is an even.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Greater number because even the families of the hostages have
kids who are also in the army fighting.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
To get the hostages back.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Okay, so there is nobody in this country untouched by
this tragedy.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Nobody.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Now, even there are many many Israelis who say, you
know what, Nitaniao was the prime minister when October seventh happened,
and whether or not he was informed and he didn't
know or he didn't know, he should have known, whatever
you want to say, and therefore he has responsibility. And
therefore when the war's over, he, like everybody else, the
head of all the security services.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
They all got to go, they all got to be replaced.
But there are many Israelis who say, but thank God
that since.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
October seventh, it's Nitaelle at the Helm conducting this.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
So even those who think he should go after the
war or in the next election, which ever comes first.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Or you know, they still are actually glad that he's
the one they're handling this.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Rukie Bloom is a columnist and analyst at JNS, fantastic
source of news for Israel in particular and the broader
Middle East as well.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
She was also an advisor in the Benjamin et Yahoo administration.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Thank you so much for.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Taking time for us as always joining us from Tel Aviv, Ruthie,
I really really appreciate your insight.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Thank you again for having me. It's always a pleasure.
I'm very pleased to welcome back to Koa Ruthie Bloom.
Ruthie was an advisor in Benjamin ettia Who's administration. She
is a reporter at JNS News, a tremendous Israeli news outlet,
great place to get information if you want to know
what's going on in that part of the world.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And I had Ruthie on just recently and just thought
she was such a fabulous guest.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
And then suddenly, over the last few days we have
another day that I don't really want to put it
into my own words too much because I don't live
in Israel, but to me, it felt like the worst
day since October seventh. And I don't like even like
those kinds of comparisons, but I think we have to
have a conversation here. So Ruthie, thank you for joining
(00:44):
us from Tel Aviv once again.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Well, first of all, thank you for having me, and
I'm sorry that these are the circumstances, and you're right,
one of the reasons that it was the worst day
since October seventh is though we've had we have had
other dead hostages retrieved over the course of the war.
(01:10):
The reason this was so horrifying was that it was
discovered that actually they were executed. These six hostages were
executed by Hamas. I would say two days before our
soldiers found them.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
So and keeping in.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Mind that this is wild, so called negotiations for ceasefire
and hostage released.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Dealer going on, which they're not. They are going on,
but not with Hamas.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
And because one of these hostages is an American, was
had dual Israeli American citizenship and he became very very
famous in America, Kirsch Goldberg Poland, because he's an American citizen,
but also because his pans parents were very outspoken, lovely people,
very brave. They touched everybody's hearts, and they actually spoke
(02:09):
at the Democratic National Convention that was just a couple
of weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I can't remember the date. I'm confused about the date,
but it was very very recent.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
And not only that, but a day before the bodies
were retrieved from Gaza, the Goldberg Polans were among families
of hostages who went down to the Gaza border with
megaphones and were calling out to their loved ones. You know,
(02:40):
So the Goldberg Polands were saying hersh were here, stay strong,
all these you know, and then and then you know,
the next.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Day or that same day.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
We don't know exactly, but the autopsy indicates that they
were then just executed by their captors.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
We know that we know that six hostages were executed.
We believe that I think three of them, correct me
if I'm.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Wrong, were thought to be folks who would be released
in this quote unquote hostage negotiation or whatever it is
that might or might not be going on right now.
But there was some talk that three of the six
at least would be among those released soon.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
If again, if this so called deal were actually a deal,
and if we actually had Hamas negotiating it, then that
is true. It was part of the deal that both
Prime Minister and Nataniel and President Biden and Secretary of
State b Lincoln had kind Also the Qataris and the Egyptians,
(03:47):
but don't get me started on them, okay, because they are,
you know, have been complicit in this whole thing. So
let's just leave them aside for a moment and just
talk about the United States and Israel. Those two countries
came to some at least agreement about what was possible
to negotiate and what wasn't and the agreement was based
(04:12):
on a similar deal to the one we had in November,
where it would be in three stages. For example, so
in the first stage of this, many hostages would be released,
and they would be in a certain category of like humanitarian.
It could be young women and old people who are
on medication whatever. I don't know the exact I can't
remember the exact details because so many have been floating around.
(04:36):
But the idea is, yes, if this deal were such
a deal, and if Hamas were at least negotiating it,
and if three of these hostages would have been.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Released in the first phase.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
But the sad, awful tragedy, I mean, I don't have
enough words to actually enough adjectives to describe this. But
the horror is that actually there there has been no deal.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Israel has been trying.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
And America has been pressuring Israel, et cetera, et cetera,
and Hamas says, no, you leave Gaza, you leave us
in power. You know, you lose the war, and we
will remain and be able to commit October seventh, again
and again and again, and then maybe we'll release.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Some of the hostages. They never Hamas never even said.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
You know, if let's suppose Hamas had said, we will
release the one hundred and well, now it's one hundred
and one hostage. We will release every single hostage right
away in exchange for Israel leaving Gaza and losing the war.
I guarantee you that many Israelis, including myself, would say,
(05:47):
this is something we really have to consider, because we've
got to save those lives, even if we put everybody
else's at risk. But Hamas never offered all the hostages
and would never have given up all the hostages. So
the whole thing was a false It was giving false
hopes to those terribly those devastated families.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Okay, so when I read this, and again, I'm Jewish,
but I'm not Israeli, and is Israeli politics. The Israeli
mindset is a very specific thing, and Jews in general,
but Israeli specifically, place incredible value on life and on
getting hostages back. We remember what happened with Glad Shalit,
(06:31):
which I still view as a historic mistake.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
By the way, you can agree or not or not
comment on that.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I totally agree.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I totally agree, because without that the Shalite deal, we wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Have had Sinhwar ruling Gaza today.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So, for and for those who don't know, Hamas captured
one Israeli soldier, they got a thousand of their own
people out of out of Israeli prisons for it. And
one of them is the guy who organized and masterminded
October seven and is still there running around in the tunnels.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And not only that, but while that blood thirsty terrorist
named Yeshies Sinoir was in an Israeli prison, not only
did he learn fluent Hebrew and become a real leader
in the prison, right so he could learn study Israelis
and all that, but he got a brain tumor and
(07:24):
Israeli doctors saved his life.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Okay, so that's an unbelievable it's an impressive. So again
from the cheap seats, I can imagine two very different
potential reactions within society to this horrible event. One would be,
we're probably never gonna get the hostages back, so just
go freaking kill Hamas, stop holding back, stop listening to
(07:51):
Joe Biden, and just go do what needs to be done.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Stop pussy footing around.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And a lot of Americans don't understand that Israel really
is restraining itself.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
But that's how I understand it.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
The other the other side could be we can't risk
losing any more hostages.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
We need to make a deal now, almost no matter
what the terms are.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Now, I personally am in Camp one, but I'm not Israeli.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And now I matter that.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
You're not Israeli.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
It doesn't matter that you're not Israeli. Joe Biden is
in Israeli. All the Jewish, the American Jewish community, they're
not Israelis. Everyone has an opinion on this, Okay, if
you haven't. In case you hadn't noticed, I will say,
there's a third category that you left out there. Okay,
one you said you belonged in that category, and then
the other bring them home now at whatever cost. And
(08:43):
there's a third category, and that is the category the
Prime Minister Nataniao is pushing for and many many of
us support, and that is in order to rescue those
hostages and get as many alive as back, we have
to exert more military pressure and we have to not
(09:05):
only defeat them, but we've got to get those goons,
you know, absconding and we and the closer we get
and the more we u defeat them, the more likely
they are a either to make a deal to return
the hostages or to surrender and you know, run away.
So the idea, that idea was, yes, that's in order
(09:28):
to get the hostages back, we.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Need to do that, not to forfeit them.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Fair enough, And I guess I would put myself in
that camp there with you, but I think I think
that the realistic version of that camp, you'd have to
have a little add on saying and we do this
understanding that it may be putting the hostages at risk.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yes, well that's for sure, and we know, but we've
tried so hard.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Not only did the idea of the Israel Defense Forces,
not only did they really perform miracles like surgical surgical
operations that are really really difficult in urban combat when
it's really crowded, and also above ground and underground with
all those massive tunnels that Hamas had built.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
But it was surgical for two reasons.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
One of course was the hostages, because you don't want
to just blitz every tunnel because there we knew that
there were hostages in some of the tunnels. That's one thing,
But it was also surgical to avoid Palestinian deaths.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
And anybody who says that's not.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
True and that we were indiscriminate is a liar or
misinformed one or the other.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Okay, So it seems to me, based on what I'm
seeing in the news and the number of people in
the streets in Israel, that there is a very very
significant part of the population. And maybe it's the majority.
You can tell me that's in camp two. It's not
where you and I and that and Yahoo are they
are much.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Again, this is a continuum.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
It's not black and white exactly, but there are people
who are willing to, let's say, do a much what
I would call worse deal, a deal it's more favorable
to Hamas and less favorable to Israel if it means
getting the hostages back, including pulling Israel completely.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Out of Gaza. Is that what's going on in the streets?
Is that what they're calling for?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
No, well excuse yeah, yes, and no, what's going.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
On in the streets now?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Again, you know how the numbers, You know how it's
very hard to count crowds, and very often there are
differences of opinion. For example, the police, let's say, have
a drone that takes pictures of crowds and counts somehow,
and then you have other people counting in a different way.
(11:47):
So I can't really tell you how many were out
in the streets today. And there was a general strike
that failed, by the way, But let's say the number,
the big number that's been quoted is true, and the
big number is three hundred thousand. Okay, I'm doubtful about that,
but let's assume it's true.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
From in it.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
There are ten million people in Israel, Okay, that's number one.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Number two.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
It is not true that most Israelis want to lose
the war and think that that's fine just to get
the hostages out.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
That is definitely not true.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
What is true is that many of the demonstrators, and
certainly the organizers of these demonstrations, many of whom have
no hostage relatives or anything like that, latched on to
the hostage families, took them on as their project to
(12:45):
continue mass anti nitenio protests that were taking place before
the war. Now, having said that, the reason I'm pointing
that out is that there is no Israeli.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Who doesn't want those hostages back, and.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Anyone who tells you otherwise is also a liar or misinformed.
Every Israeli takes this very personally and knows what if
it were me, And not only that, but often knows
personally knows hostages personally, or as in my case, has
sons fighting in Gaza to find the hostages, rescue the
(13:20):
hostages and defeat Hamas.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
What about us? That's the that us is an even.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Greater number because even the families of the hostages have
kids who are also in the army fighting.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
To get the hostages back.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Okay, so there is nobody in this country untouched by
this tragedy.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Nobody.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Now, even there are many many Israelis who say, you
know what, Nitaniao was the prime minister when October seventh happened,
and whether or not he was informed and he didn't
know or he didn't know, he should have known, whatever
you want to say, and therefore he has responsibility. And
therefore when the war's over, he, like everybody else, the
head of all the security services.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
They all got to go, they all got to be replaced.
But there are many Israelis who say, but thank God
that since.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
October seventh, it's Nitaelle at the Helm conducting this.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
So even those who think he should go after the
war or in the next election, which ever comes first.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Or you know, they still are actually glad that he's
the one they're handling this.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Rukie Bloom is a columnist and analyst at JNS, fantastic
source of news for Israel in particular and the broader
Middle East as well.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
She was also an advisor in the Benjamin et Yahoo administration.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Thank you so much for.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Taking time for us as always joining us from Tel Aviv, Ruthie,
I really really appreciate your insight.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Thank you again for having me. It's always a pleasure.
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